Mike, at 14:00 he is faking the fast parts. He uploaded that video to TH-cam too. If you watch the video at quarter speed around 23 seconds you can see he's stopped playing notes, but another 5 or 6 tapping notes are heard.
Huh, interesting. It's tough to tell because I'm pretty sure the video isn't perfectly in sync (that tends to happen naturally) but I'll need to take another closer look at that.
@@BecomeTheKnight I just watched it again, it's actually closer to 2 or 3 notes. He seems to be tapping perfectly in time and then stops for a slide and a couple more notes continue to play. But, listening to it a quarter speed, you can more clearly hear him actually strumming. So, I think he might actually be playing it for the most part. Just supplementing a bit.
I mean the guy clearly stated he lost endorsements due to this youtube drama. Being called a hacker in videogame,when your just fuckin leet. Ok,cool. Having a popular youtuber with millions of dumbfuck subs,that will attack you?. Big difference.
That thing he said about loosing subscribers because he “sucked” after a speed test is exactly why I hate a lot of the metal community online. There’s so much egotism and bullshit surrounding it that people forget that, as long as something sounds good, it’s fun to play, etc, the rest of the shift doesn’t matter. Let’s be honest, you might be the fastest guitar player in the world but realistically, that’s just gonna be a party trick because you can’t have a song at that tempo if no one else can keep up
I'll take a good groove and playing with great feel over playing everything with rediculous speed. It's why I prefer Steve vai over Y. Malmsteen. There both super talented but yngvie just goes fast on everything.
Plays at human velocity- "You suck!" Plays insanely fast- "You're fake!" Can't worry about the critiques. They're too worried about what everybody else is doing to focus on their own inadequacies.
@@anupamthapa. is it weird to be the complete inverse example of that? I get stuck beating myself up over and over, often to the detriment of any sort of progress. I guess the root issue of unresolved insecurities is still the same though.
John Croyle No, it’s not weird. It is called being a perfectionist. It doesn’t hurt to know that you can do better. Just try not to put yourself down. You can use your ability of self critique to look at things realistically, without being an asshole to yourself. Spoken from a person who struggles with the same thing. And remember, the more you know about something, the more you know you don’t know... haha!
@@oysteinsoreide4323 when he said that I thought that would be obvious to anyone who goes to gigs. Surely I'm not the only one who's noticed this being at the front of a gig without a barrier?
@@iain2080 There are many that goes into a brainless echo chamber if someone starts to question a performance. It's obviously not the first time false statements has been put forth. People are so little critical about the source of information these days.
@@oysteinsoreide4323 spot on and hugely disappointing that this is the case with Dines. Seemed like he's just annoyed at people more skilled than himself
What was weird about it to me is that the band chose that video for social media promo, even when it is clear that they can play those licks live, and they sound better live. Even though he was open about the fact that it's a 3rd guitar track through the floor wedges, why even keep that video on your socials? (And it sounds like they dont need that 3rd guitar track anyway.)
you kinda missed the point of why this whole issue is a problem. when someone like jared who has like 2.6mio followers on youtube and 600k on insta and whatnot releases a video calling someone fake without proper research or contacting the one in question (which he both did not do), he exposes them and accepts that some % of his followers will mindlessly harass those people. with that many followers he has to take that into account before releasing a video which can potentially ruin peoples careers for something they might not have done. apologizing afterwards is no use. he has to think about shit beforehand.
He shouldn’t have said anything. It’s none of his business. And who the f*** cares anyway. This is pathetic schoolyard drama. Get over it and do you. Simple.
Yeah he should have, but he made a mistake and apologized. And it's understandable that he was hearing mostly a backing track or whatever it was so it wasn't completely false. He thought there was a discrepancy between hearing/ seeing. It was false that he wasn't playing it on stage at all though. See Steve Terreberry was smarter, he actually made funny videos on obviously fake things. Jared set out to do it more seriously and got into trouble, although I don't think he didn't research at all, or knowingly made false accusations. His channel will suffer a bit and maybe deserved, but doesn't have to be a career ending thing.
In the 70s, Angus Young had Ken Schaefer rip the guts out of a Schaefer Vega Diversity System wireless pack, cut a hole in the back of the guitar, and solder that shit in there. Reason Angus liked to go out into the crowd and kids would pull out his cable The family Jewels DVD box set has a live video of the boys playing "Riff Raff" and you can see Angus' backup cable dangling around next to his strap and its button. The actual input jack itself unused. I'm pretty sure I also remember hearing somewhere that his guitar had an additional input jack mounted on the rim of the body in an attempt to have a back up connection that kids couldn't unplug as easily. What I'm saying is that although it seems highly unlikely, it is possible that the man in the video has something else going on
Lucas is really good at guitar. So is Charles Caswell.... Archspire must definitely be fake since they are at the top of the game. Spencer isn't even human.
I think an apology is necessary because guitarists who are falsely accused can well and truly lose endorsements. That's their livelihood and their bread and butter. Brands don't want to be associated with an artist that is in the middle of TH-cam drama. I think there should be some accountability when you have random people with a public platform pick apart your playing with no proof. At the end of the day, it's not Manuel's fault that his playing looks glitchy and it's not his responsibility to perform in a way that looks more digestible for guitar bros.
I compare "fake" guitar playing to lip syncing. Most audiences and even artists will hate on lip sycning because it makes the artist sounds cleaner or more talented than they are especially live especially when what they are syncing is a refined and edited studio recording. This sort of guitar playing should be viewed the same way for at least an authentic pov, especially when it is passed off like as if this is the way the Instagram guitar could play in front of a crowd imo. Pretty much why Queen or Oasis or Nirvana refused to indulge it on Top of the pops.
The difference is that lip synching is almost always exclusively used in a live setting. This type of guitar playing is being considered in the Instagram guitar circle and so far hasn't been heard of live. If you're talking about straight up faking guitar to a track live, I guess you're right, but that's not what we're talking about.
@@danzgalliwag yeah that's the biggest point imo. They're doing it in a controlled setting and fanboys get the shocked pikachu face when they find out some of the people they worship are faking it till they make it.
@@danzgalliwag yesterday I Saw a video of a guy live mimicking his sections and solos live. Dude was tapping but you could clearly hear it was played with a pick in the audio
I have been playing on and off for 25 years now. I always wanted to hold myself to the standards of Becker, Vai, Blue Saraceno, Satch, and others in the shredder world. I have learned that over years and years of playing and on and off time, that I play for my standards now. I am with you Knight. I want to play what my heart feels, what my mind comes up with. I am going back to basic at this time, just to incrase my playing ability. When you take the ego, envy, pride, and holy than thou approach out of your mindset and your playing, your mind becomes more clear. It is no longer, "Oh, I am depressed and dont want to play, because i cant play all the parts of Cliffs of Dover at speed." "It's okay, I can play all the parts, I can play them half speed, that was fun to learn, now can I push a little more to 3/4's the speed?" Speed does not make everything better. I would rather hear a guitar that is speaking from it's player's soul, than licks and scales at 200bpm. Just me.
I don’t edit my guitar playing Instagram posts after recording them but I record roughly 20-25 takes to get it perfect because I am being followed by a few other guitar players at my high school and I don’t want to look like a fool
Thank you for acknowledging the imposter syndrome felt by a lot of musicians. I constantly kick myself in the teeth over my inadequacies even after really good shows or recording sessions. Through an honest lens I would consider myself a solid, but only above average musician. However there are times I feel like throwing away my instruments after seeing someone who is way above what I feel is achievable for me because “what’s the point?”. It’s a very real problem that is hard to deal with and probably not talked about enough for the sake of new musicians. Love the channel man keep it up
Try to look at it as “this guy/chick is really good, I need to practice some more” rather than “they’re so good, I give up.”. Music is an art and no one can express your art as well as you.
if I am expecting a certain note I will involuntarily hum the note. I hate it because if I try to record something on my phone I just hear myself humming
It's to do with the way your brain works. I sometimes have a facial twitch movement when I'm playing. It usually happens when I'm concentrating hard on something.
My very first guitar teacher taught me a very important lesson about exactly this. He said Imagine, all of that effort you spend practicing how to play without the little twitches, imagine if you put that time into just practicing how to play the fucking guitar
Dude, for the longest time, late teenage years to mid 20's. If i was really in the zone (playing lead), or just playing continuously for an extended period of time. At some point, without fail, my tongue would hang out of my mouth.. Similar to a toddler, or a freakin dog lol couldn't help it and it still happens on occasion. So don't feel weird, everybody has oddities while they play 👍
If all someone cares about is how fast they can play, they've already lost the plot. Being a musician is also knowing when NOT to play. Excellent video, giving credit where it is due. P.S. do song of storms. It's a fun one.
Dude is INSANE. Just recently discovered him and his compositions are also ridiculous. He's Jason Richardson level. And if Rick Beato vouches for his live chops, I buy it completely.
@@guitarnerdjoey1192 He's good but there are sped up videos out there of his.Check this Jared Dines video starting at about 4:40 : Video has been deleted,it was there a few hours ago. And compare to this which appears unaltered: th-cam.com/video/H8TJvN_FKJY/w-d-xo.html
@@Slicklickz Again, I have seen him play IN PERSON. I have seen it LIVE. I have witnessed his playing FOR REAL IN FRONT OF MY FACE. Link any video you want, in fact the video you linked has some insane chops on it too, especially for a guy playing an unfamiliar guitar at a guitar show. Stephen has never sped up his videos. I have been following him for years. There is no one out there of any worth saying Stephen fakes his stuff, or speeds it up. Quit trying to make drama or accusations when there is none to make.
My guitar is the same as Manuel’s. ❤️ These guys have to know that when they’re posting these videos authentically that there is going to be a general level of skepticism from the public , because most things online these days are doctored and fake, so kudos to these talented people.
Social media has turned every discipline, every art form, every hobby into a competition to gain "followers", and it's sucking the fun out of it. Bleh.
Rick Beato made a good point today when he suggested that people live stream their playing. That said, I live playthrough my videos (haven't streamed), but do sparingly edit the occasional glaring mistake and leave the rest in there. I'm not a clean player, but I'm human. And I totally feel you on the imposter syndrome.
I've been into metal for over 4 decades, been playing guitar and bass for about 3 decades. I know a lot of musicians, and many, many times more metal fans. I don't know any fans that will go out of their way to listen to the fastest, most technical and intricate for the sake of technicality and intricacy, ultra clean, ultra precise, perfectly aligned to a grid, and conforming to the, "rules and constraints," of music theory, thing they can find. Aside from my 14 year old nephew, who started playing guitar 7 months ago, NO ONE in my extended social network would listen to something like that more than once, just for the novelty of it. Music, to the vast majority of human beings, needs to speak to you in some way, and something that's hyper fast and hyper tech, almost automated sounding, just doesn't speak to most of what humanity is. "Look at how fast and how technical I can shred!!!" is great, I'm sure you worked super hard at developing that ability. But chances are, at most shows you play, the more you take time to hyper-fast and hyper-tech shred, shred, shred, the less, less, less, your audience is going to pay attention to what you're playing. I've seen it for decades. Even as a musician who has great appreciation for virtuosity, I can only listen to so much shred playing before I just yawn and move on to something else. Guitar solos, and for that matter a solo on any instrument, can be incredible, it can be a great way of making a musical statement, of expressing yourself, but if all you have to say, "is look at me, look at how fast I can shred, look at how technical I can shred, look at me, look at how fast, look at how technical, look at me, look at how fast, look at how technical..." there's only so many times that a person wants to hear that same thing being said. Now, if you're somebody who can play fast and technical but you feel the need to speed up playing, and put that out there as your actual playing, that seems like trying to compensate for some serious inadequacies and serious insecurities. No matter how fast do you play, no matter how technical, no matter what is put on that video hyping it up, it's not going to cure, nor will it even cover up for what is lacking. But that's just my opinion and it's just his irrelevant and pointless as anyone else's opinion online.
I agree. High-speed playing is not music, it's a competitive sport. It's all about moving your fingers faster than the next guy. There's no difference between that and a 100 meter sprint.
@@jacobscroggins857 But, at least to my knowledge he never claimed it wasn't pre-recorded! Of course he knows it's unplugged. It's like everybody is saying "How could he be so stupid and not realise that" Of course he realised that.
Second Solstice nothing wrong with that I’m just gonna take my guitar in my bedroom with my low video quality of my phone because you know I’m not bothering to post a video that takes time of high production just to show to the people a little bit of my skills on insta Ammmm actually lets make a playback you know I don’t have time for this but of course I don’t want to think people that I’m playing this live with one take sooooo I’m gonna let my guitar un plug to be obvious that I don’t want to trick you Sureeee
@@Pastas666 Same thing could be said about TH-cam covers when they massively started being pre-recorded and "over-polished", now nobody says a word about it. I've uploaded pre-recorded videos to instagram, only because the riffs were already recorded and I only wanted to show a playthrough, there could be many other reasons. I don't think the guy was aiming to fool anybody nor he is that stupid to try doing so while leaving the cable unplugged. I welcome you to check live performances of the band Unprocessed or his new insta videos if you think he even needs to fool anybody.
I love editing things in post! For half of my bass videos I've recorded the playthrough in a comfortable position and get it as perfect as I can in one take, then I set up for the aesthetic playthrough and actually play there too, but I usually use the audio from the perfect playthrough. I played both, so why not choose which I use? For the the other half I just recorded the video and audio at the same time. Never speed anything up. I just made up my own method to make a cover video based on common sense. No idea how anyone else does it, or that this was a thing!
This is the big issue. I remember growing up I learned from my brothers friends and I remember just trying to impress my brother was all I cared about. The friendly competition isn't a bad thing. But it's just got to such a toxic level like as I got better and started playing gigs I remember finding badass players to jam with. I learned once I started playing the blues scene that there is always someone better. It doesn't depress me anymore it inspires me. The best compliment ever isn't about my guitar playing it's always the people that said "I can feel what your playing". Be you rock you.
Most definitely if you aren’t inspired by those that are better than you you’ll never be a good guitarist. If you’re one of those that would rather give someone dirty looks and pout rather than perhaps asking them how did you do that.. When you take lessons the teacher is more than likely a lot better than you. That should just inspire you to work harder!! There is no shortcut no matter how often you hear supposed teachers claiming that they’ve broken some code that no other guitarists has ever discovered. The improv solo cheat sheet!! WTF is that??!!! Or when they say you don’t have to learn any theory or scales and arpeggios!! Total BS !! Where do you think the ideas for solos come from?? Duh scales and arpeggios bends and slides obviously!!! Blow smoke up some one else’s butt!! Don’t give guys and girls that are just starting out some false crap like that!! Improv solo cheat sheet!! Lmao that just sounds so ridiculous to someone that’s been playing over 30 years!! Just trying to make money you are!!
I barely even understand the appeal of the "shred community". Yes, it's impressive that people can play that fast, but speed and cleanness are but a single aspect of technical playing that is to be respected. What _else_ can they do? Is their pinch harmonic game strong? Their bend game? Vibrato? Phrasing? Can they write memorable melodies? Solid harmonies? Do they have a working knowledge of chord qualities _beyond_ power "chords" (which is basically required in metal now if you want to add any 'mood' to your riffs and thus be able to stand out)? There's so much more to playing/writing impressive sounding music than "GOTTA GO FAST! CHILI DAWGZ! YEAH!"
I know this is an old post but I just wanted to agree. Sweep picking is great. Power chords are great. But this music seem to just some sweep picking followed by a couple of big power chords, then more sweep picking. All with those awful drum loops. There seems to be only one song in this entire genre. Only other guitarists are remotely impressed by any of this. A friend and I always used to say, when watching somebody show off on the guitar, 'yeah, it would be great to be able to play like that, and then not play like that'. I really, really don't get this music at all. I keep trying to find something I like as I know there are some talented guitarists in the scene, but all I ever hear is sweep picking and, dare I say it, it all sounds the same ;-)
You did a great job on this here video, Mike. As a relative outsider to the subject (and the world of people who talk about guitar stuff on the internet) I sometimes couldn't totally follow what you were talking about, but for the most part I really enjoyed this. Also, sorry to hear about the "speed test" subscriber loss. People take shit too seriously.
I‘m a bit surprised that this hasn’t been mentioned (unless I have missed it), but at least in the case of the first guy the reason that it looks so fake to me is clearly a framerate issue. I‘m too lazy to do the math, but I‘m certain that the rakes he‘s doing (probably 32nd notes?) at this speed can impossibly be reproduced adequately by a camera recording at 60 or even 30fps. You‘ll probably end up with something like two frames per note or possibly less, so of course it‘s not going to look fluid. Add to this possible encoding and / or conversion issues when preparing for publication, and there’s no chance it‘s going to be an accurate reproduction. Right? Edit: Math example (please correct me if I‘m wrong): Assuming a tempo of 120bpm, that would be 120x8=960 32nd notes per minute = 16 notes per second. So recorded at 30fps that would be less than two frames per note.
I just subbed man, you just appeased my anger in this case, I saw a lot of videos of this case, and a lot of his live performances, but I’m at peace...
Anybody else love these videos? I feel like every guitar channel is making these videos and love them all. Be proud of your wrong notes! You're authentic!
Hey dude, I wanna say thank you for this video. I can honestly say I’ve never re amped guitar pro into my music, never sped up a video, and I also don’t even care if others do, because musical composition is far more important than technical proficiency, so in my opinion it doesn’t matter if people do this for a few social media followers. I’ve toured, I have 3 (going on 4) signature guitars out, and I have some of the coolest, most supportive fans I could ever ask for. I’ve also dropped a ton of camera audio stuff, and some totally naked no backing track stuff, but unfortunately the hateful people on here pretend it doesn’t exist, which only proves further that the hate is really about their own inadequacies, and nothing to actually do with me. I also delete toxic hateful comments and block rude people because I don’t need people like that stinking up our community. This is pretty common for brands to do. It’s like if someone graffitied obscenities on a window or wall at a business, obviously the owner would remove that. Anyways cheers! 🙏🍓
@@ProfessorCottonKFM do you ever wonder, why Rick Graham or Guthrie Govan never get hate or criticised for faking their playing? it has nothing to do with jealousy and skill. that's naive and childish excuse for not being honest. This guy Charles is an amazing guitarist, but also he is obviously not always honest about the playing. Just because you can play some of your stuff doesn't mean it's okay to release dishonest clips and then say, "but i have actual legitimate stuff so it's okay". If you can't play your stuff like on the record, it's not a big deal, you just need to admit it. Just like if you are a bodybuilder, using steroids is fine and your own choice, but lying about being natural to sell your courses is pathetic.
All of us guitar players are all on our guitar journey together. People should be encouraging each other to keep going and to get better and not trashing each other simply because they aren't Eddie van Halen. The fact of the matter is that no matter how good you are, no matter how fast you can play, there will ALWAYS be someone out there who is better and faster. It's a fact of life and there is nothing we can do about it. At the end of the day, you do your best to make the guitar into something that makes you happy and helps you to express yourself. If people out there want to give you shit for it, FUCK 'EM! Rock on guitar players! You're all awesome!
Dude your so honest and honestly a bit hard on yourself, regardless of other guitarists your still out there doing you and making content!! that's the most important part! great video and keep rockin!
I personally could not give a crap if your not the fastest guitar player. Your still a great guitar player and I still look up to you. Never stop and Rock on.
Its interesting what different art fields look at as being un-genuine. A really good photographer might take a photo, edit out the people in the background he didn't want, change the color of the sky, and saturate everything different from what he took, and it wouldn't be considered lying,
There is the authenticity argument in music. The level of technical proficiency you're allowing the audience to believe you possess vs how good you actually are. That's where the dishonesty lies. A better visual analog would be Insta models photoshopping themselves to look perfect.
@@BecomeTheKnight There is a problem of what people think is talented guitarists. There is a video of Beth Hart playing her acoustic guitar (she is an intermediate player) at a one person concert in front of her friend Jeff Beck. People also weren't laughing at Adele when she play playing acoustic bass at her one person concerts. The ticket buyer is more interested in what they find as music they like rather than tricks only people in that specialty would like.
@@BecomeTheKnight I hadn't thought of the insta models, good point. I agree, its on the authenticity and making it seem like you did something exactly like what is seen.
Finally!!!Someone explaining what Manuel was doing!!! Its easy to say..."fake" but look close and you will see how fast he are... He surely dont need to speed up his videos...Check ou the songs of his band and put some ear to listen how much complex the songs are!! Thx for the video man!1+sub!!
That guy is such a good guitarist! Unprocessed is a great band. He's really just too dam handsome and talented haters will follow. The technology can't keep up with his sick jams. Shame society is operating on an guilty till proven innocent paradigm. Thank you for a critical analysis!
I'm glad this dude in the thumbnail is finally getting some heat. I've seen his sped up shit for a while now, was just waiting on someone with a bigger platform to speak on it. Edit: I know this guy can play and compose some pretty tasteful stuff, but some of his videos are 100% sped up.
I sincerely appreciate your honesty and integrity. Thank you. My 2 fav things about this video - when you said you posted your speed test AND how inconsequential any of that is because the ONLY THING that truly matters is "can you speak with your instrument". Unlike most of you your subscribers (yes, I'm unfairly pigeonholing your audience) my interest in shredding is relatively tiny. But my attention span for brilliant music is vast regardless of what genre or style you play. Too many kids focus on speed and forget that what they're playing isn't very musically interesting. I'm new to your channel but you seem very smart and I have no doubt you know the difference. Thanks again for the integrity. Rare in social media.
I don't get it. Is music an art or a sport ? If it's an art, who cares if someone speeds up his part or quantize or autotune, as long as it feels nice ? And if it's a sport, you'd better get a proper competition with proper rules and maybe even a jury, maybe even apply to be part of the olympics ! I definitely don't get it.
Music is whatever you want it to be, you can be a horrible guitarist by everyone's standards but if you like what you're doing and how it sounds then its definitely music
I'd take another look at the Berried Alive "raw take" video. Those out-of-tune bends are just coming from the sound of his strings in the room, not a guitar signal. The audio is just the track. There are two main giveaways that I've noticed. One is at the end of the video, when he makes slide noise on his strings after the track has stopped. His volume is incredibly low compared to the track and the tone is completely different. But Charles actually pointed out the biggest giveaway himself, oddly enough. There's a section of the solo where he uses a killswitch....and the guitar in his hands doesn't have a killswitch. At first viewing, I was also misled. The fact of the matter is, Charles is one of these players that is making a career out of people thinking he's better and cleaner than he actually is and he'll go to any length to preserve that perception of himself from his fans. He got scared for a second and made a drunken video (which has now been removed) of him back-pedaling, saying that anyone criticizing those for faking their guitar work are expletive, expletive, expletive. Nice. Really mature way of handling the rather serious accusation and still not answering it one way or another. He goes to great lengths to attempt to prove his misrepresented abilities one day, and then he'll back-pedal and justify fakery without even owning up to it on another day. Miles Demitri Baker, ex-Rings Of Saturn, made a video calling him out and addressing the "raw take" video. The sad thing is, Charles is obviously a great guitarist. Nobody is a machine though and it's a shame that he's gotten so deep into a career based on false expectations of his audience that he has to walk this tight-rope while these accusations come out and the silent majority finally begins a dialogue about him.
Every song on Fuego is dope as fuck. You really give a fuck how he's getting it done? Do you have a whole album of even semi good shit? Send me the link and I'll listen
@@theperfectcircus That’s great if you enjoy his music. He’s talented and prolific for sure. I do give a fuck how he represents his abilities because reaching a level of ability on an instrument is something people take pride in and blatantly muddying the waters of what’s real and what’s production in this area is touchy. It seems that the success of his brand has relied on the “wow look at that crazy guitar playing” factor of his music and the marketing of the playthrough videos. People seem to have different expectations of what these videos represent, and that may be where the issue lies really. If your music is composed and edited in a manner that can’t be realistically replicated in an actual performance, why bother making a mimed performance video to accompany it? Why not some other type of promotional media? I’ll tell you why. Charles knows his niche and he’s chosen to make dissonant, shred-centric music that primarily appeals to guitarists who admire technicality. One could argue that it’s the primary component of his compositions and common appeal amongst his fans. You might disagree. That’s fine. You can like his music for whatever reasons you choose and you don’t have to care about how he represents his abilities as a guitarist. But for some reason you’re still watching videos like this which is questionable. And to answer your question, I have released two of three albums so far this year. I’m not professing to have the the abilities as a guitarist or producer that somebody like Charles has. I don’t think one needs to surpass somebody else in ability or success or in order to have valid criticism. But if you insist, here’s a Spotify link to what I most recently released. Hate on it if you want: open.spotify.com/album/4AWQC3KbviIwWHcfXd28Ue?si=rSYlg_FsRwShFU9x4I9vxQ
Although you articulate yourself very well, I don't think that the "success of his brand" is hinged on just that one shredding element. I'm not going to try to prove anything because that is, as you know, a waste of fucking time. The rabbit hole is how I ended up at this video. With that being said, I did check out your music and I really want to applaud you for putting it up. I'm not going to start bumpin it I'm my whip but it definitely does not suck. The recordings are clean, the arrangements are cool and it's progressive....All cool shit. May your energy be balanced and put it into the things you love.
@@theperfectcircus Fair enough I go down rabbit holes on TH-cam all the time. Calling you out for commenting on this video was unnecessary. And I’ll admit that me saying the main appeal of his music comes from the technical guitar work could be a little reductive. All I know is that most people come across Berried Alive because they saw one of their playthrough videos that was really impressive to them. But you’re right, the song-writing, production, and unique combination of genres are all elements that appeal to fans of Berried Alive and I shouldn’t ignore that. Thanks for checking out the music I shared and for the kind words. If this thread proves anything, I guess it’s that people can have differing strong opinions and feel the need to defend them against each other but can do so without personally attacking each other. I appreciate the discussion
This is the best take on the situation. There will always be fakers, but the music community shouldn't be all drama and no substance like other communities, so let's move on.
I think one of the main issues is people using the sped up videos to market their lessons and other products. I think it’s obvious to say that pre recorded playthru tracks are fine, it’s akin to a music video. It’s multimedia entertainment that focuses on complete quality verses complete authenticity. But when you’re using some sped up content to fool beginners into thinking you’re the next prodigy, they’re more likely to buy into your products. It’s blatant lying for the sake of garnering more sales and views .
Manuel’s insta video would be real.... if his guitar was plugged in. Take a look again, you can see it’s not plugged in even tho it’s not the best quality
A big issue is there's a lot of the mimicry of pre-records. I half expect a lot of youtube guitarists are two people. One who played it, and one whom acts as if they play it.
Damn bro, i havent seen too much of you playing, but the idea of people saying you suck reminds me of a notion ive realized: the tech to record and play back music has opened a new era of musical development in humanity. Theres an accelerated progression in musical development over the last 100 years. You can listen to perfect performances from your favorite bands as many times as you want for your entire life, and i think this starts baking music and musical ideas into our subconscious and allows musicians to propel their own creativity farther than it ever would have otherwise. From what ive seen of your playing, if you were teleported back to the 1970s you could probably be a pretty renowned rock/metal guitarist. I wouldnt listen to the keyboard warriors man, glad to see you keep doing your thing.
Brother when you started talking about imposter syndrome I felt that hard. I grew up playing stuff like korn breaking Benjamin static x and the like. Seeing modern guitar players a decade younger than me destroy me on and instrument I’ve spent 18 years on is difficult at the best of times. But I’ve learned to lean into my style while working on my weak points. At the end of the day techniques should serve the composition and not the other way around. And that’s how I’m able to still do my thing in a world where everyone is a virtuoso 😊 I hope that if a kid reads this they don’t put away their instrument but they keep going. Skill comes from smart effort over time. So keep it up! Anyway love your content and you’re a great voice in an angry community.
I read the title of this and saw a picture on the thumbnail of Jared Dines and Dovydas and got scared for the content of this video for a sec (thinking this was calling them out incorrectly as fake guitarists) even though I know you're better than that. Sure enough, I was wrong. Also I should add that I have respect for you and your playing. You may not make my top 5 or top 110 fastest or most technically skilled player list but you can play and you're out here on TH-cam giving your best and that's better than most of us. Plus your favorite guitarist is Steve Vai so we're automatically cool.
The one that makes me sad is the mentioning of Stephen Taranto. That guy deserves more positive attention for his guitar playing. He should be mentioned up there with some of the greats of today but his name is getting tossed around in the filth of these weirdos doing mimed playthroughs and sped up material. It’s sad.
I really appreciate how u did your speed test video to show how you don’t have to be a shred god to be an amazing guitarist. Listening to some of Crusade's stuff shows how soulful of a guitarist you are. Keep shredding 🤘🎸
Jared should apologize. He should do damage control because he did damage. At least two of the people he flat-out accused have basically proven that they're legit. Jared had a responsibility to make sure he wasn't fullashit before going online accusing people of being fake. Lucas says he lost an endorsement because of Jared's video. That's not "it's all cool bro", that's borderline defamation. I love Jared, but he needs to cool his heels before calling anyone out. Iphone cameras and web cameras are not forensic, for a reason. Lucas has explained that it doesn't sound like his guitar because the video was recorded with audio from a stage monitor that was playing a backing track only, and not the live feed. THAT is why you need to make sure you find the actual FACTS before making accusations. The recording literally doesn't have his guitar on it which is why it sounds like it's not his guitar.
@@Numenorean921 It seems like all the pieces are there, though things get very tricky when the plaintiff (lucas in this case) is a public figure. A jury would have to be convinced that Dines was reckless with the truth or sought intentionally to harm Lucas The statements implying that Lucas was faking it are opinion, which isn't necessarily something you can sue over. However, Dines holds himself out as the kind of person whose opinion on the subject is reliable. He's viewed as something of an expert, so his opinion holds more weight than yours or mine would. The statements are provably false (Lucas did a response video in which he pretty much proved that he is capable of the kind of speed he's accused of faking -- and could most likely perform the feats in a courtroom. Lucas has claimed exactly the kind of harm that defamation seeks to protect against -- he lost a business opportunity (which he either would or would not be able to prove in court). There is an element of *per se* defamation that extends to publicly accusing someone of being incompetent at their job -- not "he's a shitty player", but "he fakes his abilities and yet sells lessons or products based on his abilities". So even if he couldn't prove the loss of an endorsement deal, he could argue that this is defamation *per se* and that damages should be presumed. If he was an unknown who suffered a loss from Dines' statements, that would probably be enough at least to get inside a courtroom or negotiate for a substantial settlement to keep it out court. But since Lucas is a public figure by choice (he publishes videos showing his talents) and since "fake guitar video" is a current matter of public concern, he'd have to prove what's known as "actual malice" on Dines' part -- essentially that Dines acted with a reckless disregard for the truth. It is a very difficult standard of proof to have to meet, arguably harder than the "reasonable doubt" standard in criminal law. Personally, I think at least the skeleton of such a claim is there. Dines could have spoken to Lucas about it, or given him an opportunity to respond instead of just saying "it's obvious he's faking" (referring to the live video that Lucas explains came from a stage monitor intentionally set up not to play Lucas' guitar DI but the backing track he was playing against). It would not have taken Dines any significant effort to verify whether or not what he was seeing was what he claimed it to be. But that's something a jury would decide if this ever did get to court. Defamation isn't my field, though, and I'm no more an expert than any other idiot with a JD.
Playing super fuckin fast sure is impressive and makes us technically challenged guitarists feel inadequate for sure, same goes for music production where artists like Noisia reign supreme and make a lot of other producers feel like they should just give up because they are never going to be at that level... No matter what instrument you play of what genre you produce, i think the most important part is actually having fun and feeling good while creating. Why put so much pressure on yourself to be the best if it removes the enjoyment from the process?
So once I posted on my Instagram a very crude cover of the chorus of Beautiful People by Manson on guitar. Not gonna lie I'm more of a drums guy so my guitar isn't my strong suit and I'll come by that honestly. Didn't edit the clip simply because part of being an artist, in my opinion, is being raw to a decent degree so really if I were to fake this sorta thing I'd be kinda pissed at myself. Whilst I understand these guitarists feel a sense of needing to shred like they're on crack they need to feel strong in knowing they're doing better to get better and realise that nobody is an immediate legend on day one. Just gotta keep at it and keep as genuine as possible (and if you're gonna fake it, at least put effort into that for fuck's sake).
Here i know im not as good as a lot of people but that doesn’t make me feel bad no it pushes me to get better because i know everyone has potential to do anything if they put there mind to it
Did you really lose subs because you couldn’t “shred” faster than someone else??? 😂😂 If it makes you feel any better, I recently found your channel and subbed... your content rocks...
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Mike, at 14:00 he is faking the fast parts. He uploaded that video to TH-cam too. If you watch the video at quarter speed around 23 seconds you can see he's stopped playing notes, but another 5 or 6 tapping notes are heard.
Huh, interesting. It's tough to tell because I'm pretty sure the video isn't perfectly in sync (that tends to happen naturally) but I'll need to take another closer look at that.
@@BecomeTheKnight I just watched it again, it's actually closer to 2 or 3 notes. He seems to be tapping perfectly in time and then stops for a slide and a couple more notes continue to play.
But, listening to it a quarter speed, you can more clearly hear him actually strumming.
So, I think he might actually be playing it for the most part. Just supplementing a bit.
I was less worried about that and more about the following part where he hits sextuplets in the music but the video looks like it's still 16ths
@@BecomeTheKnight I didn't even notice that. But, yeah. If you slow that down, it looks like he's faking that bit too.
darkdudironaji
WATCH “reflections” PLAYTHROUGH
ITS CHARLES CASWELLS OLD BAND. LEGIT AS HELL.
I'm a mediocre guitarist but at least I'm legitimately mediocre.
Think how I feel. I'm not even legitimately mediocre. :P
yeah here I am posting actual playing for real, single takes warts and all.
Same dude. I just jam. Thats all I've ever done. These TH-cam dipshits need to get off their high-horse with this fake guitarist crap
I'm the most okayest guitarist ever.
I can top that: I stink but at least I legitimately stink.
Being called a fake guitarist when you didn’t fake it, is actually a compliment.
Except it hurts the people being accused of this yourube bs.
I mean the guy clearly stated he lost endorsements due to this youtube drama. Being called a hacker in videogame,when your just fuckin leet. Ok,cool. Having a popular youtuber with millions of dumbfuck subs,that will attack you?. Big difference.
@@TheTowerDark well said
@@TheTowerDark Jared done fuck up bigg time
True
That thing he said about loosing subscribers because he “sucked” after a speed test is exactly why I hate a lot of the metal community online. There’s so much egotism and bullshit surrounding it that people forget that, as long as something sounds good, it’s fun to play, etc, the rest of the shift doesn’t matter. Let’s be honest, you might be the fastest guitar player in the world but realistically, that’s just gonna be a party trick because you can’t have a song at that tempo if no one else can keep up
Oh, it’s allll ego with these guitar guys.😁
@@evanabbott2737 *this comment was made by bass gang*
I'll take a good groove and playing with great feel over playing everything with rediculous speed. It's why I prefer Steve vai over Y. Malmsteen. There both super talented but yngvie just goes fast on everything.
@@Sweeptheleg83 hmmm as a huge vai fan I gotta agree he goes way fast sometimes, and his music sometimes is way... over the top let's say
@@pedrosilvaproductionsANYONE?? from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
Who the hell made Jared dines the CEO or president of all guitarists
He's nothing. The CEO of douchebag Inc
He’s cringe
He ain’t that good but I don’t play so my opinion don’t matter lol
I prefer Stevie T/Rob Scallon, they’re at least down to earth people
But jared will help people in need watch the veteran video he also gave away 80,000 dollars worth of guitar to kids so I think he’s alright!
Plays at human velocity- "You suck!"
Plays insanely fast- "You're fake!"
Can't worry about the critiques. They're too worried about what everybody else is doing to focus on their own inadequacies.
Kyle Olin 👌
I think it's their inadequecies that makes them focus on other people.
Most critiques are given by "experienced" adolescents as they are about the biggest population of youtube.
@@anupamthapa. is it weird to be the complete inverse example of that? I get stuck beating myself up over and over, often to the detriment of any sort of progress.
I guess the root issue of unresolved insecurities is still the same though.
John Croyle No, it’s not weird. It is called being a perfectionist. It doesn’t hurt to know that you can do better. Just try not to put yourself down. You can use your ability of self critique to look at things realistically, without being an asshole to yourself.
Spoken from a person who struggles with the same thing. And remember, the more you know about something, the more you know you don’t know... haha!
his cable isn’t plugged in tho
Lmao why didn't more people including Jared and Mike realise this????
Goat u need to have something plugged in to ur input to be using a wireless
@@aidanlarenas yeah hahaha wireless doesn't mean inputless lol
kociogvint ik i wonder if mike saw this
Aidan Larenas we know. He’s miming. This video states that and several other videos state that. He prerecords his audio
Lucas Mann completely cleared up his part.
Yes, it was the stage monitor that was heard on that clip. not the house speakers which was playing his guitar.
@@oysteinsoreide4323 when he said that I thought that would be obvious to anyone who goes to gigs. Surely I'm not the only one who's noticed this being at the front of a gig without a barrier?
@@iain2080 There are many that goes into a brainless echo chamber if someone starts to question a performance. It's obviously not the first time false statements has been put forth. People are so little critical about the source of information these days.
@@oysteinsoreide4323 spot on and hugely disappointing that this is the case with Dines. Seemed like he's just annoyed at people more skilled than himself
What was weird about it to me is that the band chose that video for social media promo, even when it is clear that they can play those licks live, and they sound better live.
Even though he was open about the fact that it's a 3rd guitar track through the floor wedges, why even keep that video on your socials? (And it sounds like they dont need that 3rd guitar track anyway.)
you kinda missed the point of why this whole issue is a problem. when someone like jared who has like 2.6mio followers on youtube and 600k on insta and whatnot releases a video calling someone fake without proper research or contacting the one in question (which he both did not do), he exposes them and accepts that some % of his followers will mindlessly harass those people. with that many followers he has to take that into account before releasing a video which can potentially ruin peoples careers for something they might not have done.
apologizing afterwards is no use. he has to think about shit beforehand.
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He never explicitly said he was fake. He just explained why people think its fake.
He shouldn’t have said anything. It’s none of his business. And who the f*** cares anyway. This is pathetic schoolyard drama. Get over it and do you. Simple.
Yeah he should have, but he made a mistake and apologized. And it's understandable that he was hearing mostly a backing track or whatever it was so it wasn't completely false. He thought there was a discrepancy between hearing/ seeing. It was false that he wasn't playing it on stage at all though. See Steve Terreberry was smarter, he actually made funny videos on obviously fake things. Jared set out to do it more seriously and got into trouble, although I don't think he didn't research at all, or knowingly made false accusations. His channel will suffer a bit and maybe deserved, but doesn't have to be a career ending thing.
His apology was half assed.
Can someone tell me what kind of wireless system he is using at 5:39
I think it's the wireless cable that you have to have certain goggles to see.
time traveller confirmed
Built in bluetooth inside the guitar
Wow.
In the 70s, Angus Young had Ken Schaefer rip the guts out of a Schaefer Vega Diversity System wireless pack, cut a hole in the back of the guitar, and solder that shit in there.
Reason
Angus liked to go out into the crowd and kids would pull out his cable
The family Jewels DVD box set has a live video of the boys playing "Riff Raff" and you can see Angus' backup cable dangling around next to his strap and its button. The actual input jack itself unused.
I'm pretty sure I also remember hearing somewhere that his guitar had an additional input jack mounted on the rim of the body in an attempt to have a back up connection that kids couldn't unplug as easily.
What I'm saying is that although it seems highly unlikely, it is possible that the man in the video has something else going on
"Hey just hoped outta the shower, so the hairs a little wet"
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Not the only thing that's wet Mike
PeakCartoon ......
Shout No homo..... quick
Where’s Connor Murphy?
Same
Oh?
Did you see Lucas' response? It sounds so perfect because you can only hear the third guitar from the backing track and neither of the live guitars.
Just commented about this without seeing yours. You're right, the dude is absolutely legit and that is someone Jared needs to apologize to.
Lucas is really good at guitar. So is Charles Caswell.... Archspire must definitely be fake since they are at the top of the game. Spencer isn't even human.
All these guys just jump on the bandwagon for views and ultimately for money. Not a Trump fan but........... Fake News!!
@@whoalookout8578 too little too late when the damage is done, he lost endorsement because of it
Yup. Jared is completely wrong about Lucas. I've seen him live. His video is as honest as it comes. Jared was shady dealing with him.
I think an apology is necessary because guitarists who are falsely accused can well and truly lose endorsements. That's their livelihood and their bread and butter. Brands don't want to be associated with an artist that is in the middle of TH-cam drama. I think there should be some accountability when you have random people with a public platform pick apart your playing with no proof. At the end of the day, it's not Manuel's fault that his playing looks glitchy and it's not his responsibility to perform in a way that looks more digestible for guitar bros.
I compare "fake" guitar playing to lip syncing. Most audiences and even artists will hate on lip sycning because it makes the artist sounds cleaner or more talented than they are especially live especially when what they are syncing is a refined and edited studio recording. This sort of guitar playing should be viewed the same way for at least an authentic pov, especially when it is passed off like as if this is the way the Instagram guitar could play in front of a crowd imo. Pretty much why Queen or Oasis or Nirvana refused to indulge it on Top of the pops.
The difference is that lip synching is almost always exclusively used in a live setting. This type of guitar playing is being considered in the Instagram guitar circle and so far hasn't been heard of live. If you're talking about straight up faking guitar to a track live, I guess you're right, but that's not what we're talking about.
danZgalliwag that does happen though, tons of popstars do it live. It baffles me
@@toladep That's not his point, he's saying guitarists aren't doing it live
@@danzgalliwag yeah that's the biggest point imo. They're doing it in a controlled setting and fanboys get the shocked pikachu face when they find out some of the people they worship are faking it till they make it.
@@danzgalliwag yesterday I Saw a video of a guy live mimicking his sections and solos live. Dude was tapping but you could clearly hear it was played with a pick in the audio
Jared has a history of talking shit before actually knowing right?
can you tell me which one
My hands often look glitchy when I attempt to play fast, phone cameras often have low framerates.
The dude's guitar isn't plugged in. No wireless, nothing.
Yes I understand that, but that doesn't go against my larger point.
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
Well, when you speed up a video, part of it is the software dropping frames, so that makes it blatantly obvious that it’s faked
As long as Paul Gilbert exists we will all feel inadequate. Go practice kids and go find your own voice...
Those sped up ones were pretty funny since the hand motions looked goofy
You're a great guitarist Mike, don't let the haters get to you. I wish I had 1/10 your guitar skill
I appreciate the good vibes man. Thank you.
but he might not have the skill you dimwitted fuktard
@@BecomeTheKnightfrom 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
@@joshuaha7661 At Wit's End.
Chawg,chawg chawg...
I have been playing on and off for 25 years now. I always wanted to hold myself to the standards of Becker, Vai, Blue Saraceno, Satch, and others in the shredder world. I have learned that over years and years of playing and on and off time, that I play for my standards now. I am with you Knight. I want to play what my heart feels, what my mind comes up with. I am going back to basic at this time, just to incrase my playing ability. When you take the ego, envy, pride, and holy than thou approach out of your mindset and your playing, your mind becomes more clear. It is no longer, "Oh, I am depressed and dont want to play, because i cant play all the parts of Cliffs of Dover at speed." "It's okay, I can play all the parts, I can play them half speed, that was fun to learn, now can I push a little more to 3/4's the speed?" Speed does not make everything better. I would rather hear a guitar that is speaking from it's player's soul, than licks and scales at 200bpm. Just me.
I don’t edit my guitar playing Instagram posts after recording them but I record roughly 20-25 takes to get it perfect because I am being followed by a few other guitar players at my high school and I don’t want to look like a fool
Thank you for acknowledging the imposter syndrome felt by a lot of musicians. I constantly kick myself in the teeth over my inadequacies even after really good shows or recording sessions. Through an honest lens I would consider myself a solid, but only above average musician. However there are times I feel like throwing away my instruments after seeing someone who is way above what I feel is achievable for me because “what’s the point?”. It’s a very real problem that is hard to deal with and probably not talked about enough for the sake of new musicians. Love the channel man keep it up
Try to look at it as “this guy/chick is really good, I need to practice some more” rather than “they’re so good, I give up.”. Music is an art and no one can express your art as well as you.
the way his mouth twitches while playing is exactly what I do and I've never been able to stop it lmao.
if I am expecting a certain note I will involuntarily hum the note. I hate it because if I try to record something on my phone I just hear myself humming
IK SAME HAHA
It's to do with the way your brain works. I sometimes have a facial twitch movement when I'm playing. It usually happens when I'm concentrating hard on something.
My very first guitar teacher taught me a very important lesson about exactly this. He said
Imagine, all of that effort you spend practicing how to play without the little twitches, imagine if you put that time into just practicing how to play the fucking guitar
Dude, for the longest time, late teenage years to mid 20's. If i was really in the zone (playing lead), or just playing continuously for an extended period of time. At some point, without fail, my tongue would hang out of my mouth.. Similar to a toddler, or a freakin dog lol couldn't help it and it still happens on occasion.
So don't feel weird, everybody has oddities while they play 👍
Thank you metal jesus
*prog jesus
Sexy Jesus
Real Jesus
Fake Jesus
How about just Not Jesus
When you said “Emmanuel” I got scared you were talking about acoustic legend Tommy Emmanuel.
And I thought he's gonna talk about Emmanuel Aguilar XD
I wish Tommy was faking it, guy is an absolute legend, it's unbelievable how he shreds the acoustic like that.
@@aritrasom9536 The Legend
Tommy wiseau
@Cameron Brown What attitude? He seems extremely nice to me.
If all someone cares about is how fast they can play, they've already lost the plot.
Being a musician is also knowing when NOT to play.
Excellent video, giving credit where it is due.
P.S. do song of storms. It's a fun one.
Music is art, not a competition :P When you start to measure dicks, you have zero clue about what music is.
@@VortechBand I mean that's basically what I said so I have to agree with you lol
@@Lordofthereee_ Thumbs up ;)
Ok boomer
I am living for all the people just discovering Stephen Toranto. The dude is absolutely legit, and just incredibly good. He deserves more recognition!
Dude is INSANE. Just recently discovered him and his compositions are also ridiculous. He's Jason Richardson level. And if Rick Beato vouches for his live chops, I buy it completely.
He's good but there are sped up videos of his as well,like in Jared Dines video.Compare his live videos from NAMM to the ones in Jared's video.
@@Slicklickz yeah, nah. Sorry buddy. Seen him play live five feet in front of my face with the Helix Nebula. Dude is legit, and melts faces at will.
@@guitarnerdjoey1192 He's good but there are sped up videos out there of his.Check this Jared Dines video starting at about 4:40 : Video has been deleted,it was there a few hours ago.
And compare to this which appears unaltered: th-cam.com/video/H8TJvN_FKJY/w-d-xo.html
@@Slicklickz Again, I have seen him play IN PERSON. I have seen it LIVE. I have witnessed his playing FOR REAL IN FRONT OF MY FACE. Link any video you want, in fact the video you linked has some insane chops on it too, especially for a guy playing an unfamiliar guitar at a guitar show. Stephen has never sped up his videos. I have been following him for years.
There is no one out there of any worth saying Stephen fakes his stuff, or speeds it up. Quit trying to make drama or accusations when there is none to make.
That riff from your instagram video was sick
That’s a wits end by dream Theater if you’re curious
Federico E thanks man
My favorite Dream Theater riff. Hands down.
Yeah I fucking love that song and dream theater in general
@@BecomeTheKnight fav song from D/T
As a matter of fact, Mike, I *don’t* think you can play Lost Woods in real time.
On a side note, thank you for actually linking every video you mention in your own. It makes everything so much easier.
When you spoke about the net subscriber loss I got a bit of a chuckle, that’s so petty
My guitar is the same as Manuel’s. ❤️ These guys have to know that when they’re posting these videos authentically that there is going to be a general level of skepticism from the public , because most things online these days are doctored and fake, so kudos to these talented people.
did you notice that his guitar is unplugged in that instagram video though lmao
Manuel is without a shadow of a doubt faking that video. He may be a great player but he dropped the ball massively on that.
Social media has turned every discipline, every art form, every hobby into a competition to gain "followers", and it's sucking the fun out of it. Bleh.
Rick Beato made a good point today when he suggested that people live stream their playing. That said, I live playthrough my videos (haven't streamed), but do sparingly edit the occasional glaring mistake and leave the rest in there. I'm not a clean player, but I'm human.
And I totally feel you on the imposter syndrome.
I've been into metal for over 4 decades, been playing guitar and bass for about 3 decades. I know a lot of musicians, and many, many times more metal fans.
I don't know any fans that will go out of their way to listen to the fastest, most technical and intricate for the sake of technicality and intricacy, ultra clean, ultra precise, perfectly aligned to a grid, and conforming to the, "rules and constraints," of music theory, thing they can find.
Aside from my 14 year old nephew, who started playing guitar 7 months ago, NO ONE in my extended social network would listen to something like that more than once, just for the novelty of it.
Music, to the vast majority of human beings, needs to speak to you in some way, and something that's hyper fast and hyper tech, almost automated sounding, just doesn't speak to most of what humanity is.
"Look at how fast and how technical I can shred!!!" is great, I'm sure you worked super hard at developing that ability. But chances are, at most shows you play, the more you take time to hyper-fast and hyper-tech shred, shred, shred, the less, less, less, your audience is going to pay attention to what you're playing. I've seen it for decades.
Even as a musician who has great appreciation for virtuosity, I can only listen to so much shred playing before I just yawn and move on to something else.
Guitar solos, and for that matter a solo on any instrument, can be incredible, it can be a great way of making a musical statement, of expressing yourself, but if all you have to say, "is look at me, look at how fast I can shred, look at how technical I can shred, look at me, look at how fast, look at how technical, look at me, look at how fast, look at how technical..." there's only so many times that a person wants to hear that same thing being said.
Now, if you're somebody who can play fast and technical but you feel the need to speed up playing, and put that out there as your actual playing, that seems like trying to compensate for some serious inadequacies and serious insecurities. No matter how fast do you play, no matter how technical, no matter what is put on that video hyping it up, it's not going to cure, nor will it even cover up for what is lacking.
But that's just my opinion and it's just his irrelevant and pointless as anyone else's opinion online.
I agree. High-speed playing is not music, it's a competitive sport. It's all about moving your fingers faster than the next guy. There's no difference between that and a 100 meter sprint.
If it's not really being played, it's not really being played.
5:31 There's no cable in the guitar 😂
That just means is pre-recorded. Now tell me what is wrong about that.
@@secondsolstice8695 I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. I'm simply saying he could have made it less obvious.
@@jacobscroggins857 But, at least to my knowledge he never claimed it wasn't pre-recorded! Of course he knows it's unplugged. It's like everybody is saying "How could he be so stupid and not realise that" Of course he realised that.
Second Solstice nothing wrong with that
I’m just gonna take my guitar in my bedroom with my low video quality of my phone
because you know I’m not bothering to post a video that takes time of high production just to show to the people a little bit of my skills on insta
Ammmm actually lets make a playback you know I don’t have time for this but of course I don’t want to think people that I’m playing this live with one take sooooo I’m gonna let my guitar un plug to be obvious that I don’t want to trick you
Sureeee
@@Pastas666 Same thing could be said about TH-cam covers when they massively started being pre-recorded and "over-polished", now nobody says a word about it. I've uploaded pre-recorded videos to instagram, only because the riffs were already recorded and I only wanted to show a playthrough, there could be many other reasons. I don't think the guy was aiming to fool anybody nor he is that stupid to try doing so while leaving the cable unplugged. I welcome you to check live performances of the band Unprocessed or his new insta videos if you think he even needs to fool anybody.
I love editing things in post! For half of my bass videos I've recorded the playthrough in a comfortable position and get it as perfect as I can in one take, then I set up for the aesthetic playthrough and actually play there too, but I usually use the audio from the perfect playthrough. I played both, so why not choose which I use? For the the other half I just recorded the video and audio at the same time. Never speed anything up. I just made up my own method to make a cover video based on common sense. No idea how anyone else does it, or that this was a thing!
This is the big issue. I remember growing up I learned from my brothers friends and I remember just trying to impress my brother was all I cared about. The friendly competition isn't a bad thing. But it's just got to such a toxic level like as I got better and started playing gigs I remember finding badass players to jam with. I learned once I started playing the blues scene that there is always someone better. It doesn't depress me anymore it inspires me. The best compliment ever isn't about my guitar playing it's always the people that said "I can feel what your playing". Be you rock you.
Most definitely if you aren’t inspired by those that are better than you you’ll never be a good guitarist. If you’re one of those that would rather give someone dirty looks and pout rather than perhaps asking them how did you do that.. When you take lessons the teacher is more than likely a lot better than you. That should just inspire you to work harder!! There is no shortcut no matter how often you hear supposed teachers claiming that they’ve broken some code that no other guitarists has ever discovered. The improv solo cheat sheet!! WTF is that??!!! Or when they say you don’t have to learn any theory or scales and arpeggios!! Total BS !! Where do you think the ideas for solos come from?? Duh scales and arpeggios bends and slides obviously!!! Blow smoke up some one else’s butt!! Don’t give guys and girls that are just starting out some false crap like that!! Improv solo cheat sheet!! Lmao that just sounds so ridiculous to someone that’s been playing over 30 years!! Just trying to make money you are!!
I barely even understand the appeal of the "shred community". Yes, it's impressive that people can play that fast, but speed and cleanness are but a single aspect of technical playing that is to be respected. What _else_ can they do? Is their pinch harmonic game strong? Their bend game? Vibrato? Phrasing? Can they write memorable melodies? Solid harmonies? Do they have a working knowledge of chord qualities _beyond_ power "chords" (which is basically required in metal now if you want to add any 'mood' to your riffs and thus be able to stand out)? There's so much more to playing/writing impressive sounding music than "GOTTA GO FAST! CHILI DAWGZ! YEAH!"
I know this is an old post but I just wanted to agree. Sweep picking is great. Power chords are great. But this music seem to just some sweep picking followed by a couple of big power chords, then more sweep picking. All with those awful drum loops. There seems to be only one song in this entire genre. Only other guitarists are remotely impressed by any of this. A friend and I always used to say, when watching somebody show off on the guitar, 'yeah, it would be great to be able to play like that, and then not play like that'. I really, really don't get this music at all. I keep trying to find something I like as I know there are some talented guitarists in the scene, but all I ever hear is sweep picking and, dare I say it, it all sounds the same ;-)
You did a great job on this here video, Mike. As a relative outsider to the subject (and the world of people who talk about guitar stuff on the internet) I sometimes couldn't totally follow what you were talking about, but for the most part I really enjoyed this. Also, sorry to hear about the "speed test" subscriber loss. People take shit too seriously.
Even if it was fake, I mean can we even be mad? Did everyone forget this is Instagram we’re talking about?
I‘m a bit surprised that this hasn’t been mentioned (unless I have missed it), but at least in the case of the first guy the reason that it looks so fake to me is clearly a framerate issue. I‘m too lazy to do the math, but I‘m certain that the rakes he‘s doing (probably 32nd notes?) at this speed can impossibly be reproduced adequately by a camera recording at 60 or even 30fps. You‘ll probably end up with something like two frames per note or possibly less, so of course it‘s not going to look fluid. Add to this possible encoding and / or conversion issues when preparing for publication, and there’s no chance it‘s going to be an accurate reproduction. Right?
Edit: Math example (please correct me if I‘m wrong):
Assuming a tempo of 120bpm, that would be 120x8=960 32nd notes per minute = 16 notes per second. So recorded at 30fps that would be less than two frames per note.
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
I just subbed man, you just appeased my anger in this case, I saw a lot of videos of this case, and a lot of his live performances, but I’m at peace...
11:33 i hope that you have already apologize to lucas for calling him a fraud
Manuel Fernandez dropped single handedly the best solo Jared ever had on his shred Collabs
And I'm just here like "Idk how to edit my iPhone videos 😂"
Anybody else love these videos? I feel like every guitar channel is making these videos and love them all. Be proud of your wrong notes! You're authentic!
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
@@joshuaha7661 Hi! It is "at wits end" by dream theater!
Hey dude, I wanna say thank you for this video. I can honestly say I’ve never re amped guitar pro into my music, never sped up a video, and I also don’t even care if others do, because musical composition is far more important than technical proficiency, so in my opinion it doesn’t matter if people do this for a few social media followers. I’ve toured, I have 3 (going on 4) signature guitars out, and I have some of the coolest, most supportive fans I could ever ask for. I’ve also dropped a ton of camera audio stuff, and some totally naked no backing track stuff, but unfortunately the hateful people on here pretend it doesn’t exist, which only proves further that the hate is really about their own inadequacies, and nothing to actually do with me. I also delete toxic hateful comments and block rude people because I don’t need people like that stinking up our community. This is pretty common for brands to do. It’s like if someone graffitied obscenities on a window or wall at a business, obviously the owner would remove that. Anyways cheers! 🙏🍓
Hell yeah those people are just jealous because they can't do it. Your music fxkin rips dude
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
@@ProfessorCottonKFM do you ever wonder, why Rick Graham or Guthrie Govan never get hate or criticised for faking their playing? it has nothing to do with jealousy and skill. that's naive and childish excuse for not being honest. This guy Charles is an amazing guitarist, but also he is obviously not always honest about the playing. Just because you can play some of your stuff doesn't mean it's okay to release dishonest clips and then say, "but i have actual legitimate stuff so it's okay". If you can't play your stuff like on the record, it's not a big deal, you just need to admit it.
Just like if you are a bodybuilder, using steroids is fine and your own choice, but lying about being natural to sell your courses is pathetic.
*Mike uploads literally anything about a new trend in the music community*
“Aww shit, here we go again.”
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
@@joshuaha7661 Dream Theater - At Wit’s End
@@TheWetToaster THANK YOU. Holy shit, that's been driving me crazy. Finally, I can actually listen to the song lol, thanks again 👍👌✌🍻✊✔💯
@@joshuaha7661 anytime! Enjoy man, I’m jealous that you get to experience it for the first time lmao
I only have 3 songs and I get imposter syndrome. I can’t imagine what you have to go through. I really enjoy your content man.
All of us guitar players are all on our guitar journey together. People should be encouraging each other to keep going and to get better and not trashing each other simply because they aren't Eddie van Halen. The fact of the matter is that no matter how good you are, no matter how fast you can play, there will ALWAYS be someone out there who is better and faster. It's a fact of life and there is nothing we can do about it. At the end of the day, you do your best to make the guitar into something that makes you happy and helps you to express yourself. If people out there want to give you shit for it, FUCK 'EM! Rock on guitar players! You're all awesome!
He should've change his band name from _Unprocessed_ to _Unplugged._
In regards to motion blur in video. I had someone tell me that I've obviously never seen a film when I made a similar statement.
Uhh... Wasn't his guitar unplugged?
Dude your so honest and honestly a bit hard on yourself, regardless of other guitarists your still out there doing you and making content!! that's the most important part! great video and keep rockin!
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
@@joshuaha7661 its a dream theater song! Off of the Distance over time album!
Ohhh we are way passed ''Playing Guitar'', this is all about the competition, who is faster...
Hasn’t it been like that since like 1985 though?
@@Ghost_mx5 Maybe because of Yngwie Malmsteen, or something I don't know?
I personally could not give a crap if your not the fastest guitar player. Your still a great guitar player and I still look up to you. Never stop and Rock on.
Its interesting what different art fields look at as being un-genuine. A really good photographer might take a photo, edit out the people in the background he didn't want, change the color of the sky, and saturate everything different from what he took, and it wouldn't be considered lying,
There is the authenticity argument in music. The level of technical proficiency you're allowing the audience to believe you possess vs how good you actually are. That's where the dishonesty lies. A better visual analog would be Insta models photoshopping themselves to look perfect.
@@BecomeTheKnight There is a problem of what people think is talented guitarists. There is a video of Beth Hart playing her acoustic guitar (she is an intermediate player) at a one person concert in front of her friend Jeff Beck. People also weren't laughing at Adele when she play playing acoustic bass at her one person concerts. The ticket buyer is more interested in what they find as music they like rather than tricks only people in that specialty would like.
@@BecomeTheKnight I hadn't thought of the insta models, good point. I agree, its on the authenticity and making it seem like you did something exactly like what is seen.
Finally!!!Someone explaining what Manuel was doing!!!
Its easy to say..."fake" but look close and you will see how fast he are...
He surely dont need to speed up his videos...Check ou the songs of his band and put some ear to listen how much complex the songs are!!
Thx for the video man!1+sub!!
That guy is such a good guitarist! Unprocessed is a great band. He's really just too dam handsome and talented haters will follow. The technology can't keep up with his sick jams. Shame society is operating on an guilty till proven innocent paradigm. Thank you for a critical analysis!
I'm glad this dude in the thumbnail is finally getting some heat. I've seen his sped up shit for a while now, was just waiting on someone with a bigger platform to speak on it.
Edit: I know this guy can play and compose some pretty tasteful stuff, but some of his videos are 100% sped up.
@Dutch van der Linde umm okay lol. You seem confused...
@Dutch van der Linde his guitar in the video is unplugged, there is no comeback from that...
I didn't un-sub I'm still working out my own technique. Keep it real!
I sincerely appreciate your honesty and integrity. Thank you. My 2 fav things about this video - when you said you posted your speed test AND how inconsequential any of that is because the ONLY THING that truly matters is "can you speak with your instrument". Unlike most of you your subscribers (yes, I'm unfairly pigeonholing your audience) my interest in shredding is relatively tiny. But my attention span for brilliant music is vast regardless of what genre or style you play. Too many kids focus on speed and forget that what they're playing isn't very musically interesting. I'm new to your channel but you seem very smart and I have no doubt you know the difference. Thanks again for the integrity. Rare in social media.
I'm so glad I'm a black metal artist lmfao we don't need to be over the top great.
I don't get it. Is music an art or a sport ? If it's an art, who cares if someone speeds up his part or quantize or autotune, as long as it feels nice ? And if it's a sport, you'd better get a proper competition with proper rules and maybe even a jury, maybe even apply to be part of the olympics ! I definitely don't get it.
Music is whatever you want it to be, you can be a horrible guitarist by everyone's standards but if you like what you're doing and how it sounds then its definitely music
@marsjacobvolta the definition of art is subjective tho. Some people can consider it art, while others don't, art is a broad term
I'd take another look at the Berried Alive "raw take" video. Those out-of-tune bends are just coming from the sound of his strings in the room, not a guitar signal. The audio is just the track. There are two main giveaways that I've noticed. One is at the end of the video, when he makes slide noise on his strings after the track has stopped. His volume is incredibly low compared to the track and the tone is completely different. But Charles actually pointed out the biggest giveaway himself, oddly enough. There's a section of the solo where he uses a killswitch....and the guitar in his hands doesn't have a killswitch. At first viewing, I was also misled. The fact of the matter is, Charles is one of these players that is making a career out of people thinking he's better and cleaner than he actually is and he'll go to any length to preserve that perception of himself from his fans. He got scared for a second and made a drunken video (which has now been removed) of him back-pedaling, saying that anyone criticizing those for faking their guitar work are expletive, expletive, expletive. Nice. Really mature way of handling the rather serious accusation and still not answering it one way or another. He goes to great lengths to attempt to prove his misrepresented abilities one day, and then he'll back-pedal and justify fakery without even owning up to it on another day. Miles Demitri Baker, ex-Rings Of Saturn, made a video calling him out and addressing the "raw take" video. The sad thing is, Charles is obviously a great guitarist. Nobody is a machine though and it's a shame that he's gotten so deep into a career based on false expectations of his audience that he has to walk this tight-rope while these accusations come out and the silent majority finally begins a dialogue about him.
Every song on Fuego is dope as fuck. You really give a fuck how he's getting it done? Do you have a whole album of even semi good shit? Send me the link and I'll listen
@@theperfectcircus That’s great if you enjoy his music. He’s talented and prolific for sure. I do give a fuck how he represents his abilities because reaching a level of ability on an instrument is something people take pride in and blatantly muddying the waters of what’s real and what’s production in this area is touchy. It seems that the success of his brand has relied on the “wow look at that crazy guitar playing” factor of his music and the marketing of the playthrough videos. People seem to have different expectations of what these videos represent, and that may be where the issue lies really. If your music is composed and edited in a manner that can’t be realistically replicated in an actual performance, why bother making a mimed performance video to accompany it? Why not some other type of promotional media? I’ll tell you why. Charles knows his niche and he’s chosen to make dissonant, shred-centric music that primarily appeals to guitarists who admire technicality. One could argue that it’s the primary component of his compositions and common appeal amongst his fans. You might disagree. That’s fine. You can like his music for whatever reasons you choose and you don’t have to care about how he represents his abilities as a guitarist. But for some reason you’re still watching videos like this which is questionable. And to answer your question, I have released two of three albums so far this year. I’m not professing to have the the abilities as a guitarist or producer that somebody like Charles has. I don’t think one needs to surpass somebody else in ability or success or in order to have valid criticism. But if you insist, here’s a Spotify link to what I most recently released. Hate on it if you want:
open.spotify.com/album/4AWQC3KbviIwWHcfXd28Ue?si=rSYlg_FsRwShFU9x4I9vxQ
Although you articulate yourself very well, I don't think that the "success of his brand" is hinged on just that one shredding element. I'm not going to try to prove anything because that is, as you know, a waste of fucking time. The rabbit hole is how I ended up at this video. With that being said, I did check out your music and I really want to applaud you for putting it up. I'm not going to start bumpin it I'm my whip but it definitely does not suck. The recordings are clean, the arrangements are cool and it's progressive....All cool shit. May your energy be balanced and put it into the things you love.
@@theperfectcircus Fair enough I go down rabbit holes on TH-cam all the time. Calling you out for commenting on this video was unnecessary. And I’ll admit that me saying the main appeal of his music comes from the technical guitar work could be a little reductive. All I know is that most people come across Berried Alive because they saw one of their playthrough videos that was really impressive to them. But you’re right, the song-writing, production, and unique combination of genres are all elements that appeal to fans of Berried Alive and I shouldn’t ignore that. Thanks for checking out the music I shared and for the kind words. If this thread proves anything, I guess it’s that people can have differing strong opinions and feel the need to defend them against each other but can do so without personally attacking each other. I appreciate the discussion
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
You said it all in one sentence: "can you make the guitar speak?" End of conversation.
This is the best take on the situation. There will always be fakers, but the music community shouldn't be all drama and no substance like other communities, so let's move on.
I just do live recording with a phone so I cant edit.
Get it bro! Old school 🤘
Cant you use imovie?
@@outis439-A I dont know what that is nor do I have space for something like that
I just don't play guitar so I can't fake it. Well that's a lie, I do have mean air guitar skills.
Air guitar is the purest art, Yenn.
I think one of the main issues is people using the sped up videos to market their lessons and other products. I think it’s obvious to say that pre recorded playthru tracks are fine, it’s akin to a music video. It’s multimedia entertainment that focuses on complete quality verses complete authenticity. But when you’re using some sped up content to fool beginners into thinking you’re the next prodigy, they’re more likely to buy into your products. It’s blatant lying for the sake of garnering more sales and views .
Manuel’s insta video would be real.... if his guitar was plugged in. Take a look again, you can see it’s not plugged in even tho it’s not the best quality
On the real, I respect you a lot more now as both a musician and a man of principle. Much love bro...
Lucas Mann live really doesn’t sound that different from the record
I'm a full time musician and I find all social media guitarists bedroom guitarists
Ok, so... what's wrong?
7:42 Now I don't have to feel weird about doing this with all of Mike's videos ;)
A big issue is there's a lot of the mimicry of pre-records. I half expect a lot of youtube guitarists are two people. One who played it, and one whom acts as if they play it.
When your so desperate for clicks you go after a real musician. Rip JD.
STR8L8CED lol jd doing just fine.
Damn bro, i havent seen too much of you playing, but the idea of people saying you suck reminds me of a notion ive realized: the tech to record and play back music has opened a new era of musical development in humanity. Theres an accelerated progression in musical development over the last 100 years. You can listen to perfect performances from your favorite bands as many times as you want for your entire life, and i think this starts baking music and musical ideas into our subconscious and allows musicians to propel their own creativity farther than it ever would have otherwise. From what ive seen of your playing, if you were teleported back to the 1970s you could probably be a pretty renowned rock/metal guitarist. I wouldnt listen to the keyboard warriors man, glad to see you keep doing your thing.
I didnt realized i wasnt subbed, and when you said you had a net loss of subs that day, i decided to sub
Yeah Jared was such a douch for this after even workin with many of them he still pulled that bs
"I don't think he should apologize" - keep that in mind the next time you step on your high horse.
Are we going to address the fact that he isn’t plugged into an amp?
Brother when you started talking about imposter syndrome I felt that hard. I grew up playing stuff like korn breaking Benjamin static x and the like. Seeing modern guitar players a decade younger than me destroy me on and instrument I’ve spent 18 years on is difficult at the best of times. But I’ve learned to lean into my style while working on my weak points. At the end of the day techniques should serve the composition and not the other way around. And that’s how I’m able to still do my thing in a world where everyone is a virtuoso 😊 I hope that if a kid reads this they don’t put away their instrument but they keep going. Skill comes from smart effort over time. So keep it up! Anyway love your content and you’re a great voice in an angry community.
I aggree the guy is badass! But in this vid.....the guitar has no cable.(Manuel)
Subbed ..simply coz of you and your playing and honesty .. guitar is hard ...my new mantra ❤😊
I got to know Unprocessed from SteveVai's Instagram story so this guy might be talented
I read the title of this and saw a picture on the thumbnail of Jared Dines and Dovydas and got scared for the content of this video for a sec (thinking this was calling them out incorrectly as fake guitarists) even though I know you're better than that. Sure enough, I was wrong. Also I should add that I have respect for you and your playing. You may not make my top 5 or top 110 fastest or most technically skilled player list but you can play and you're out here on TH-cam giving your best and that's better than most of us. Plus your favorite guitarist is Steve Vai so we're automatically cool.
The one that makes me sad is the mentioning of Stephen Taranto. That guy deserves more positive attention for his guitar playing. He should be mentioned up there with some of the greats of today but his name is getting tossed around in the filth of these weirdos doing mimed playthroughs and sped up material. It’s sad.
That dude is legit! He's an actual great guitarist
That guy is insanely talented, and probably my biggest inspiration to get better on guitar.
I really appreciate how u did your speed test video to show how you don’t have to be a shred god to be an amazing guitarist. Listening to some of Crusade's stuff shows how soulful of a guitarist you are. Keep shredding 🤘🎸
from 1:20 to 2:28, what song is that???
PLEASE. I've been trying to find it ever since I first saw this video.
Chris Hero / Kassius Ohno can shred it seems.
FUCKING LOVE the Live After Death banner! My favorite live album made by anyone!
Jared should apologize. He should do damage control because he did damage. At least two of the people he flat-out accused have basically proven that they're legit.
Jared had a responsibility to make sure he wasn't fullashit before going online accusing people of being fake. Lucas says he lost an endorsement because of Jared's video. That's not "it's all cool bro", that's borderline defamation. I love Jared, but he needs to cool his heels before calling anyone out. Iphone cameras and web cameras are not forensic, for a reason.
Lucas has explained that it doesn't sound like his guitar because the video was recorded with audio from a stage monitor that was playing a backing track only, and not the live feed. THAT is why you need to make sure you find the actual FACTS before making accusations. The recording literally doesn't have his guitar on it which is why it sounds like it's not his guitar.
Serious question: could they sue him for libel? I think Lucas especially has a case if he can prove it caused him direct financial harm.
@@Numenorean921 It seems like all the pieces are there, though things get very tricky when the plaintiff (lucas in this case) is a public figure. A jury would have to be convinced that Dines was reckless with the truth or sought intentionally to harm Lucas
The statements implying that Lucas was faking it are opinion, which isn't necessarily something you can sue over. However, Dines holds himself out as the kind of person whose opinion on the subject is reliable. He's viewed as something of an expert, so his opinion holds more weight than yours or mine would.
The statements are provably false (Lucas did a response video in which he pretty much proved that he is capable of the kind of speed he's accused of faking -- and could most likely perform the feats in a courtroom. Lucas has claimed exactly the kind of harm that defamation seeks to protect against -- he lost a business opportunity (which he either would or would not be able to prove in court).
There is an element of *per se* defamation that extends to publicly accusing someone of being incompetent at their job -- not "he's a shitty player", but "he fakes his abilities and yet sells lessons or products based on his abilities". So even if he couldn't prove the loss of an endorsement deal, he could argue that this is defamation *per se* and that damages should be presumed.
If he was an unknown who suffered a loss from Dines' statements, that would probably be enough at least to get inside a courtroom or negotiate for a substantial settlement to keep it out court.
But since Lucas is a public figure by choice (he publishes videos showing his talents) and since "fake guitar video" is a current matter of public concern, he'd have to prove what's known as "actual malice" on Dines' part -- essentially that Dines acted with a reckless disregard for the truth. It is a very difficult standard of proof to have to meet, arguably harder than the "reasonable doubt" standard in criminal law.
Personally, I think at least the skeleton of such a claim is there. Dines could have spoken to Lucas about it, or given him an opportunity to respond instead of just saying "it's obvious he's faking" (referring to the live video that Lucas explains came from a stage monitor intentionally set up not to play Lucas' guitar DI but the backing track he was playing against). It would not have taken Dines any significant effort to verify whether or not what he was seeing was what he claimed it to be.
But that's something a jury would decide if this ever did get to court.
Defamation isn't my field, though, and I'm no more an expert than any other idiot with a JD.
Playing super fuckin fast sure is impressive and makes us technically challenged guitarists feel inadequate for sure, same goes for music production where artists like Noisia reign supreme and make a lot of other producers feel like they should just give up because they are never going to be at that level...
No matter what instrument you play of what genre you produce, i think the most important part is actually having fun and feeling good while creating. Why put so much pressure on yourself to be the best if it removes the enjoyment from the process?
With relation to this topic:
Jared Threatin.
Go.
The video editing is cool! These guys should own it without lying about it. Music is music. Give me sounds that soothe the soul!
So once I posted on my Instagram a very crude cover of the chorus of Beautiful People by Manson on guitar. Not gonna lie I'm more of a drums guy so my guitar isn't my strong suit and I'll come by that honestly. Didn't edit the clip simply because part of being an artist, in my opinion, is being raw to a decent degree so really if I were to fake this sorta thing I'd be kinda pissed at myself. Whilst I understand these guitarists feel a sense of needing to shred like they're on crack they need to feel strong in knowing they're doing better to get better and realise that nobody is an immediate legend on day one. Just gotta keep at it and keep as genuine as possible (and if you're gonna fake it, at least put effort into that for fuck's sake).
Here i know im not as good as a lot of people but that doesn’t make me feel bad no it pushes me to get better because i know everyone has potential to do anything if they put there mind to it
Did you really lose subs because you couldn’t “shred” faster than someone else??? 😂😂 If it makes you feel any better, I recently found your channel and subbed... your content rocks...