Whats with defending Prydwen having inaccurate guides and info? If you sell yourself as a guide website then give accurate guides and put in the minimum effort to update characters within 6 weeks of a new patch. Only a handful of characters even have changes to their guides each patch. It's not hard to have accurate information. Why is Pokke defending them being lazy? It makes ZERO sense. If I go to Mc Donalds and ask for a cheeseburger, I expect a cheese burger. If they hand me something without cheese, why would I be okay with it at least being a burger? This was just weird to listen to.
exactly, just have both, a simple guide for more casual players, and a advanced guide for people who want to get the utmost out of their teams and rotations, and make sure the bloody guide is up to date. also sweet christ almighty poki was arguing semantics the entire time, trying to defend prydwen "oh well, its good enough for a casual player, why do you just make the more advanced guides" my brother, or the guide that is designed to teach people about the characters could actually get off their ass and provide the best possible information? "what makes a guide good?" depends on the guide, but for something like wuwa, having the most complete information makes it good, if its lacking up to date information and has misplaced characters, thats not a good guide, especially when prydwen advertises themselves as THE place to go to get a competitive edge, you cant get a edge with outdated and misplaced info and characters.
That's why i don't understand why people are easy to say things without actually looking at the bigger picture. It's like they haven't interacting to different types of people and just assumed things base only of how they feel and justify it like it was a solid fact for everyone😂😂
Pokke is a great entertainer... not a great debater. That is fine, since being entertaining is his job. He is often wrong with his takes though... the 2.6 monkey quest was waaaay too long for something that is supposed to be a meme. Penacony being 5 and a half hours according to Ryuku sensei is also way too long... nobody wants to spend an hour per day for a whole week just to read texts edit: lol I still don't have max eidolon harmony trailblazer despite having a 2+0 Lingsha lol
Yeah every time Saint would make an argument, even if it was easy to go against it, Pokke would just say "nuh uh" and not saying anything meaningful to the conversation.
51:01 it is natural for the community around a skill-based videogame to be "elitist". As in: if the game rewards skill, the players will value that skill. Just look at the Souls communities and you will find the same.
@@miraqen7801 nope, elden ring is no exception. It may have more casuals among the playerbase because elden ring became mainstream, but the core souls playerbase is still there, so the whole "git gud" mentality is as prevalent as ever. And thanks to new blood in the audience the amount of challenge runs and pvp sweatlords in ER is bonkers big
Ok i just saw the podcast today and finished it, and i had to immediately visit this cc, cause of all the cc's in that podcast this guy prolly made more of a point than the others, the glazing aside. He has strong points. And as a zzz player i thank you for acknowledging about how fast the dev team of zzz acted on the problem about the tv's. And because of that, even though I'm a hoyo player. I will respect every wuwa player, and cc's they love the game they can defend it. And to show my respect even more i voted for wuwa on the incoming game awards. Hope you guys win!!
yo just a question is it a good time to go back to zzz now? i played for 3 weeks on release and quit planning to quit hsr so i kinda want to replace it
@@luckybun4500 Idk how far u were in ZZZ when u quit but If u r a LORE LOVER, still in Early Chapter and hate TV, u should prob wait till the v1.4's release. The reason is that in v1.4, they gonna reduce the lvl requirement of Story and also introduce more way to obtain inter-knot EXP as well as give u a new "Fall Guy Gameplay" option in place of TV mode. I think u will have a better experience progressing through the story by then. Other than that, as of now, nothing changes much since v1.0 except for couple additional Endgame Modes and No TVs in latest story chapters. - On the other hand, if u r not a LORE LOVER like me and U WANT EXTRA PULLS (maybe around 10 pulls from the current events, and remaining dailies/weeklies till v1.4) for Miyabi or Harumasa, I would suggest u to play ZZZ now and basically SKIP all the Stories. So far, I am telling u majority of Stories are VERY casual (character's introduction, doing chores for NPC,...), which dont really relate to the MAIN LORE WHATSOEVER. P.s: Hope this helps.😆😆😆
@@luckybun4500I'd say you start at 1.4 if you really want to go back, but if you're a f2p like me that's saving for miyabi i suggest to play now to get the rewards, and so you don't have to spend money. But if you i suggest start at 1.4 cause they changed everything from there. Oh and you really don't need to force yourself to play the game we have our own favourite genre, i liked zzz because it's chill. It's probably the only game i play that's chill cause i mostly play FPS and MOBA. But given that you only played 3 weeks on release and didn't stick around, you might wanna check it out rn just to confirm yourself if you like it or not.
I just want a skip button because I don't have any time left after work. And weekends are for house chores. Doesn't matter if the story is good or even if it's gonna be oscar nominated I'll skip it if I don't have time. If I want to experience the story i could watch it on TH-cam.
Even then, if u don't add a skip button atleast make the story straight to the point and not shove in hours of unnecessary dialogues that are plain boring for the sake of giving u a false idea that it's "more content". A lot of the times it gets interesting then we are sent back to boring garbage dialogues applicable to both HSR and Genshin.
You are 100% right. But this is not the hoyo formula unfortunately, they know that story even if forced means more attachment=more money. They aren’t going to change their billion dollar formula
I remember watching this live and it was infuriating. Everytime Saint made a valid point which requires a response from Pokke, he would just give vague nonsensical answers and would disagree for the sake of disagreeing. He then exposed himself even more on the gacha cast when none of his takes hold any value. The first half of this conversation made me think Saint was wasting his time but by the end of the video, it only reaffirmed why I removed these degens from my feed who only want to farm content. Saint legit 1V3’d on the gacha cast
I already given up watching pokke a long time ago when i noticed that his slowly and really really obviously throwing jabs at wuwa and pushing thd Sensor tower to cause his fans to go to every wuwa vids and comment sections to harass people and use the tower as a weapon for harassments. That time I realized that pokke became a instegator of drama more and more. I remember one time those earlier days i first seen pokke on Tectone's streams that the bald man warned him about the consequences of pandering to the Genshin fans or even the online hoyo community,..... I'm not a fan of the bald man but oh boi he sure was right and we are seeing it right now in real time on how pokke behave.
@@ggrimmfield5529 stopped watching him when he started playing genshin actively. I could see a shift into the hoyo cuckery. He plays it off as ironic, but his fans are a reflection of his real stance.
I honestly think that the WuWa community are not people that want brute force quides. They are players from PGR and they want to know the characters true power and secrets to perform the insane combos you see in PGR.
Is the majority of wuwa players actually PGR players though? The way its been portrayed the last 6 months from what I seen... its just ex-genshin players, the large population of the Hoyo audience and ofc, actual new new new players and/or players from the smaller niche games that usually stay in their own lane.
@@kuvjason7236 saying ex-genshin players doesn't mean much. Most gacha players have played genshin at this point and quit it for different reasons. No one knows what the majority of players is, but certainly it isn't hoyo players, since the MC isn't a cameraman.
me me me, PGR player here, and dont forget the powercrept character almost 1 year and half so Jiyan will powercreep in 1 year with same element and same damage type
Nothing wrong with accuracy. But also not every guide has to go over the most advanced stuff. It's okay to have guides for beginners/more casual players who just want the info needed to get 3 stars.
Saints 100% right about the skip button I’ve been enjoying zzz and wuwa, both respect my busy schedule I really loved Genshin on release and I still play HSR but the pacing being so long on story is definitely a demerit Poke’s argument on the story made no sense lol He said he didn’t care then that he did Bro what
Well most hoyoverse games vn genre but restrictions by dialogue. Well I play most doujin rare bound storylock at least skip button or fast forward dialogue vn. If stop important moment or certain cg part. Maybe off topic game talking sry
Yeah, it was stupid how he said he doesn't care for the story, when back in HSR 2.2 he made a vid where he said "We need to pay more attention to the stories in gacha games."
@@soratakeshi2077 Yeah i know what you mean. I once heard they officially stated that they're VN or story focused. But if they said so, why don't they implement the basic features of the VN formula, which is a fast forward option? 2 reasons came to my mind. Either they force introduce future playable characters in dialogue or make it seems the game has massive and long hours of content..
Pokke's problem is that Hoyo games are extremely casual, so it's ok for guide makers to have shit accounts and know nothing about the characters. Wuthering waves is simple but a much deeper system and requires more of it's players. enemies actually fight back and will kill you if you fuck up too much instead of just sitting there soaking up damage like a sponge.
Saying he doesn't care about the story and going back and forth on how much he cares about it was so annoying, he just couldn't bring himself to admit that he would enjoy the game more if there was a skip button is so annoying. I play genshin hsr wuwa and zzz and the skip button would be sooooo nice in genshin and hsr. The most recent story in hsr whs horribleeee like pulling teeth to try and finish
What’s funny is as someone who watches pokke (I love HSR), but I love Wuwa too it’s my favorite gacha rn. But yea I watched Pokke play the shorekeeper quest on stream and he was more engaged into the story that any hoyo quest I’ve seen, and even rated it highly. But he can’t admit this bc his chat is very toxic
I feel like Pokke understands whats going on behind the scene, he just trying his luck by giving nonsense argurment back at saintontas to see how he handles it, hoping he might screw up. Props to Saintos for being so patient and being on point on every single explaination.
1:10:50 Ok wow Pokke wtf was that comment. That was manipulative as hell man. 1:11:50 nah, its just Wuwa is an improved Genshin. Hearing people say the wuwa Dev listens to the players got my attention. Seeing no stamina while running in the open world and running up walls sealed the deal for me. I tried wuwa out on launch that when i played genshin after it just felt so off. Genshin just felt slow, the combat dull and the world started to look more childlish. I just wasn't having fun anymore in Genshin so I wasn't as invested anymore compared to Wuwa quality of life improvements i wanted in Genshin and just god like Combat with real bosses. Then ZZZ came out later and I dropped genshin impact completely. I don't have time. I play Wuwa, ZZZ, HSR and now Girls frontline:2. Even though Genshin is now starting to improve there game. I just don't see it as them honestly having the player experience in mind anymore. When Genhin release news of Natlan I got interested cause it was the nation of war. So I was like oh hell yeah but it turns out its just hip hop, dancing, with plushie monsters. I just can't go back to a kids game man. People grow up as time goes by. They want a more mature game to play.
Just wanted to highlight this: In the surveys of gachas I ask for qol changes to help the daily grind and overall experience. I played Genshin, HSR and ZZZ as well as Wuwa. Wuwa was the first gacha between these four that actually implemented what I asked in the survey. (1) Let me see the echo main stat without going to the bag or character page (2) Let me rerun the boss stages without going in and out (3) Make it easier to gather resources in the overworld. Like I get so surprised when I see these changes after all the experience I had with miyoho prior to Wuwa.
1:11:25 based ... wuwa is a direct competitor of genshin (because they have the exact same game genre) but as the same way early days genshin was compared to breath of the wild and at some point it turn into its own thing and this comparison only maid sense for the early parts of the map ... wuwa is its own thing now, keep comparing wuwa to genshin seems to me just to create negative engagement... the "genshin could never" meme is fun, but it should be just a meme, wuwa can live as a total separated game from genshin ... like overwatch and valorant are similar games, but are independent from each others and ppl don't keep comparing them every single change they have(I think so)
With how zzz gives out that new dude for free,i think trend of "genshin could never" will continue. It's not even originated from wuwa,it started with ratio in HSR,wuwa is just giving cherry on top by giving free XY
@@yogafajarwicaksono8009 I didn't say that it started on wuwa, I was just using as an example of comparison between the games ... the main focus of my comment is "wuwa is its own thing now, keep comparing wuwa to genshin seems to me just to create negative engagement"
Pokkee really is the fraud he thinks he is. I was a big hsr fan before being a wuwa fan. Since the arrival of new games it has become very unbearable. his hsr even videos have lost quality. he was a good guy before. Today it has become a scourge for all other games except hoyo🤡 Fob is a better hoyoshill than him. At least he is reasonable
agree, he changed after collecting all hoyo shill like a pokemon playing all hoyo games, and shilling after hoyo content, love his hsr video even before playing wawa
Actual good talk in gacha space ? I have never seen anybody talking like this in gacha space, LMAO. Saintontas slowly changing my perspective of gacha player being brain-dead since last 5 months+ LMAO. Good content man and I love both of you didn't just start talking loud and fighting but just having arguments and solving it.
S: "if you don't care about the story, wouldn't a SKIP Button be good?" P: "Nah I just don't care because I'll still play the game as it is." a SKIP Button can save you 2 months worth of autoclicking. Imagine if we have a SKIP Button during Aranara Quest. I could've saved days of my playtime. Also what Saint said about Aranara Quest is absolutely correct. If you say "Sumeru Forest Exploration is not locked behind Aranara Quest" you just simply didn't play the game, because there's a whole entire region locked behind Aranara Quest, and not to mention you have to unlock the Aranara Zither and their different tunes as well as the Rain Control Panel to unlock chests drowning in water.
Saint is constantly bringing up good points and concerns that I personally share with HSR and Genshin (no skip button, devs taking too long to implement QOS or do so poorly). When I started playing Wuwa again this month, I was able to catch up in a timely manner with the events. The events were fun and engaged with the core gameplay of Wuwa while also including information about the playable characters that released while I was not playing. Whereas when I logged in to HSR, I had to slowly trudge through setting up a room in the train for hours and at the end of it there was 0 gameplay? I like the comparisons. It brings attention and hopefully a call to action from hoyo players (Myself included) that can hopefully bring positive change into the space for everyone (skippers and non skipper alike)
Rank 1 Kurobot: *presents valid points supported by clear evidence and tries to make a healthy discussion based on facts not feelings. * Rank 1 Hoyoshill: "Doesn't that make you a shill?" 🤡🤪
If being a CC isn't Saintontas' main source of income... he'd make a great solicitor (lawyer)! 😆 He is so good at making clear, valid and logical points. And, yes... he does have a really lovely voice
I can safely say most people ''want to get better in the game'' just enought to get all rewards, the moment most people reach that level, they will be satisfied
I watched the real pokke back when bro had 900 subs. This new pokke is a persona he adopted because it gets him more traction. Old pokke would agree with you.
watching the whole video, listening to both while reading Pokke's Chat, I will make the statement that Pokke's Chat is really disgusting, lame and of course typing without thinking that the events made in jest will become reality for people who do not know the initial context. Example, Revenue topic, their chat said EoS is a Joke, then what about on r/gachagaming ? the horrible people want to WW EoS happilly, they're no brain, hopeless. Another Example on another platform like Facebook, people are hoping too WW need EoS because low revenue on 1.2 how the fck they said joke when they actually starting the war by trigger other community
I was watching Razor_CT talked about Prwyden HSR too and apparently they were motivated by $$$$ to keep a DPS tier list. That list apparently got removed due to a lot of complaints and the owner consign to those complaints.
Personal opinion: I'd rather watch a guide for a character, done by someone near, or below, my skill level, so I know that I can at least do that well with a character, when pulling for them. If it takes super timing and swapping and animation canceling, it's of no use to me. I don't value the position on a tier list seriously, taken from the judgement of a super sweaty player.
oof, below your skill level? Yikes. I kinda don't believe you on that one mate. I also get not using swap cancelling. I don't do it or maybe i do idk. I haven't really looked into animation cancelling maybe I do it naturally due to the feeling of " being on a timer/ My buff is running out" so I have to swap quickly.
Often, a guide maker is just listing out what the kit does, what stats impact the skills, and other things that skill has no part in. Their actual skill in combat and ability to defeat really hard content has no bearing on whether or not the facts are true. So, I'd rather see the evaluation of their kit done by someone who isn't using every trick in the book to pull off impressive feats of skill, to show me how a character plays for them... and if I can play with that kit better than the guide maker, all the better. If I'm watching some master of the game tell me how awesome a character is... and then I try to use that kit, but I'm not using animation canceling, swapping out to support characters to use their buffs at JUST the right moment in some rotation thing... I'll find that character much less awesome than this master says they are.
the thing is, Camellya may be complex but you cant change the fact that the "brain dead" part of her gameplay is easily accessible and recognize even without guides and thats probably where they are coming from, but yeah its very divided some people cant see the Gray and is just all Black and White
The issue with this is that we can make this argument for every 5 star in the game if played in hypercarry. Camellya really isn't a special case here. If you do your own testing any "brain dead" part of any characters kit is easily accessible without looking at guides
I think hoyo games suffer from a serious case of ensh*tification (its a real word). They start off good and they never get better (or sometimes get worse). Thats why I never started zzz because it will probably not get much better than it is. Thats why bringing the developers into the argument is important - patterns tend to repeat. Also funny how I dont feel disrespected by calling myself a kurobot but even when I was playing genshin as my main game (and liked it for years) I wouldn't want to be called a Hoyoshill or a Genshin defending knight.
I've been in the gacha space for a while now and this was without a doubt the best and most logical debate I've ever experienced. In general in the gacha space this is extremely rare. Mr pokke respected and tried to argue in the most logical way he could (which was kinda depressing as the norm), but Saintontas proved and demonstrated something very rare, his power of argument and respect for others Continue the good work and stay respectful and logical in this debates (is kinda ridiculous that I have to say this but it is becoming rare to see). saintontas you quickly became one of my favorite CC in very few videos and it's not because I play wuwa and believe in what you say but because your videos are well written, well argued and you're not afraid to say what's wrong and what is fine. Clearly I'm not the only one who believes this, so it's a matter of time and consistency for your channel to unleash its full potential.
55:25 I think this depend at how much time ppl have to training the mechanics ... I want a comfortable rotation as base and depending on how fast I adapt to it, maybe I'll look in a more complex rotation. But in a case of someone that does not have that much time to learn and deal with ping, try to learn how to keep 3 characters in field does not compensate, the amount gain that you'll receive in dmg output does not worth the time of training that you'll need to do to dominate that character control ... it is nice to know that there is a higher ceiling of ability , but I just want to be able to clear the content and have fun, I don't want to participate in boss speed run
Tbf pokkes kinda start it. Saint just doing his job(shilling the company of course ). When Saint replied it, pokkes chat just exploded it like it is his fault.
Is he defending not having a skip button. Also I don't do brand loyalty but critique is critique... He is splitting hairs at point. Saints a shill cool, but why can't we critique hoyoverse or discuss. 🙄. Honkai gave me burn out cause everything started getting drawn out.
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I'm almost an hour in and it feels like Poke is stuck on repeat since he still can't see why Saint has his stance on certain CC's guides for wuwa. How many more times will Saint repeat his point in a way more clearer than last? It's even more shocking since Poke is a zero cycle CC for hsr. This makes no sense
In speedrun Sanhua is holding all records with Camellya, Encore and even HRover, Jiyan whereas Zhezhi is rarely to be found (only with Jinhsi) and Yinlin is nowhere to be found. Short field time OP.
Omg, the way how Pokke's chat is all typing this pointless shit and with the whole this herd saying like this 1:26:36 was "optional"... and this "no" after that... Literally 0 IQ Hoyoshills...
They like to regurgitate any opinion they hear like a bunch sheep in a herd. Like Saint said a certain portion of the map stays blurred out and inaccessible until you complete the whole Aranara quest line.
I've never used Prydwen. I just build chars with common sense, and if I feel like I'm missing something, I know there will be someone that'll make a vid.
to be fair builds in wuwa are very straightforward (im not a big fan of that but oh well) and you cant really mess it up too bad if you keep in mind balance of your stats, in genshin at least there was elemental mastery which had separate scaling and could have compleatly different value depending on your team giving you another layer for build optimization, in wuwa you just get as much atk and dmg% as you can while trying to stay as close to 1:1 as possible and as much crit as possible while trying to keep 1:2 ratio and thats about it, some characters also ER untill you hit a breakpoint where ults are consistent and you're done
@@utsubyo Pretty sure Genshin is as straightforward too... Could just be me but all these gacha games share the same idea when it comes to their character building. Nothing really special personally speaking
@utsubyo elemental mastery is basically another stat that boost something that a specialized character utilize. Not different from break it is straight forward asf. Even then your character playstyle doesnt even change much, nor does the gameplay.
@@hentikirby7142 well yesnt, sure there are characters that just go full EM the same way how some go full break with superbreak now in hsr, but it's a stat that you might or might not want on your regular crit dps unlike break in hsr, if you play jingliu/dhil/seele/feixiao or pretty much any other crit dps (besides xueyi or sushang ig) you dont really care about break at all, meanwhile in genshin it is a VERY important stat that is NOT all or nothing, quite often it's good enough to be used as mainstat on sands and/or better than atk in substats, it adds third layer to the mix, not just atk/dmg% and cr/cdmg, now you also balance those two with EM which acts as an extra multiplier in vape/melt reactions or as an alternative to atk for quicken reactions, this means that sometimes traidoffs that are not very obvious might end up being better, like for example if you play xiangling the value of EM changes a lot depending on if you play in mono pyro/vape/overvape teams, you can use her as enabler for melt ganyu and then again EM is useless on her but becomes usefull on ganyu, or you might use her with double hydro hu tao and then even tho EM would be great you dont build much of it because other stats take way higher priority since she doesnt get any buffs there and struggles with ER and yeah i get that you might just use the same build all the time and beat the abyss, that's not the point, it does add a whole new layer of build optimization and as a nerd i really enjoyed that
@@Wagyube-ef yeah i get that, i never said it's super complex, i just said that it was a bit better, just adding or removing one layer of complexity/rng can make a huge difference, wuwa for example made "artifact" grind way better because they removed one layer of rng, you dont have to repeatedly roll into stats, if you get them once then that's it, but they also removed something from build complexity, and if something was already kinda straightforward now its just compleatly dumbed down to put fire set on fire character and give the basic attack based character basic atk bonus with some atk and crit, maybe er if ult reliant, i'm not a big fan of that
as a G.I player for 4yrs, that skip button is really necessary, When I logged in again to the game after 4 months, I need to do all the quests and companion quests and that frustrate me especially the companion. too much yapping and trash but force to you read and watch it just to get the primogems. what a trash game after 4 years.
@@jajanchannel2279 It's whole party actually. Rover can also proc healing set for attack buff so you can run them in a team as a pseudo buffer if needed
Hsr has a copy paste system of genshin with just turn based gameplay. If hsr's future turns out to look like genshin, I wouldnt be surprised at all. It was all there since the beginning. Hsr is just a turn base non open world genshin.
me just want to play the game and do moves that isn't practical but it looks nice. i only do it in the overworld since it is much more forgiving. style points... in genshin i been told im playing the game wrong for playing geo xD and i have c6 itto
59:00 casuals don't do that, or they're not really casual lol. A casual will try a guide, then if they can't play the character well with it they'll bench the character. You need a bit of investment to recognise there might be more to the character or to want to improve your gameplay of them. Casuals shouldn't have to risk looking at a bad guide if they're already looking at one at all. If it's there it should be accurate and adequate and transparent enough to understand at all levels of investment.
I play WUWA. Will someone tell me how to access the weapons in my backpack?? When I open the character and access the weapons tab, I tap the switch prompt, but the items in my backpack don't populate.
I can't wait for these upcoming gacha games to come out. These GI/WuWa Kuro/Hoyo comparisons were funny at first but got tired like GI vs BOTW. Where people were breaking ps4s over Genshin stealing the open world blueprint from Zelda: BOTW lol
As a layman, I watched some of this and, while I agree with you to a large degree, one counterpoint I would like to make to your guidemaker point is the "snapshot in time" point. People tend to look for a couple of ways that work with things and go with it, even if they aren't the most optimal or efficient, especially under a time crunch. They may not have the time to sit down and properly, and completely, figure out every possible variation. 2 of the people I think of that do the testing and such off the top of my head are GachaSmack (who you mention) and Zajef in the genshin space. But even then, there are things that they can miss, that someone else might find out. Guides are taken from a snapshot in time, and changes in understanding or overall meta changes often occur after that snapshot. As you've mentioned, WuWa has an incredible depth of skill, but even those on the higher tier of that gap are *still* learning new things about the game (you've said so yourself in this video). It takes just one person finding something new, and being willing to talk about it, for the context and gameplay around a character to change. And the minute that happens, a guide is now outdated. Do I wish every guide was wholly complete and provided all the possible rotations for a unit? Yes, but expecting one person to think of every possible combination or variation is not, at least to me, a reasonable expectation.
I love saint. But kurobots like us, i feel like are gatekeeping a ton of casuals to ever pick it up unless it was day 1, 1.0. Hopefully alot more people come in in 2.0. Endgame is definitely not for the weak; specifically TOA if they ever think of clearing it.
I got 23 plates this cycle. I know I still suck, but I improved from 11 last cycle. I know I am not good enough for a hyper-quickswap style of playing, but seeing improvement still makes me happy. I can't imagine how skilled are people soloing the tower with solo Danjin.
@@lesath7883 That's good to hear man. As a mobile player who's played on mobile devices since release, i will always support people like you in their journey. I was also slowly getting better over time so i know how it feels.
I think that's fine tbh. Endgame should have some degree of difficulty. If you are struggling with ToA max out your talents and work on your echoes. Also make sure at least your main dps has maxed out character level and maxed out weapon levels. ToA is just an account investment check you will get there eventually
I find it interesting that wuwa constantly has characters being leaked, entire kits and everything, meanwhile in nikke, we might know what faction is getting a new character, sometimes we know what they look like, but the entire kit pretty much has never been leaked. Sometimes we are almost certain what characters are coming, (Everyone knew cindy was coming for anni, iirc alot of people suspected red hood for last years anni) but we pretty much never know the kit.
1:15:00 sweet christ almighty poke, thats not shilling, it would be shilling if kuro had a contract to pay saint the more good he talks about wuwa, but afaik thats not happening, so what saint is doing, is basically appealing to a disgruntled player, if i hear someone complaining about destiny 2 and i tell them to try warframe and list out why they might like it, thats not shilling(at least, not in the way anyone uses the term), thats just spreading the good word about a game you like and want someone else to try. Also, its not a bad thing to compare two games that are in the same bloody genre, its hard to contextualize how good a given game is without comparig it to another game thats similar, why do you think destiny and warframe constantly get compared? when you compare two games, you can more easily highlight the strengths of one game over the other.
@@azaril7780 yeah there was a huge doc with SO many future characters when the game first game out it was nuts lol. For example crown was leaked all the way back then.
Genshin side is doing close to nothing to make the game better, star rail and ZZZ is doing a lot consistently to make the game better, having a single bad story patch (2.6) in star rail is nothing compared to having bad story overall (Wuwa)
On the whole pryden situation, they have yet to update even old characters in hsr. They don’t mention super break on silver wolf, they lack Jiaoqui’s light cone on black swan, don’t even mention crit lingsha with jade, they just are so unreliable for any guides. Even for the game they are most known for they are lazy and just give a basic understanding of the characters on their release unless your name is firefly. Prydwen also randomly pushes niche characters up in the tiers, but never move unpopular characters up like Jade performing exceptionally well in the past few MOC’s and yet still being in the niche category.
do you all remember the infamous cuphead reviewer from IGN? couldnt get past the tutorial. why would i take advice from people who are that bad at the game? i dont expect pro level of knowledge i expect at least an average. A whole lot of this video isnt exactly aimed at CC but their are some arguments for some of it. The main argument is why is this website that people hold in high regard, offering dog shit advice for the playerbase? but its touted as THE one stop shop for the best rotations and setups? I dont believe you should know every little nuance to a character to make a guide about em but if your a long time player/CC, its kind of your job to look into a character more than just hold basic attack to win kind of assessments. And if enough players run with ideas like camellya being brain dead character which isnt even true. it makes it very difficult to talk about potential. Do you know what God Hand is? lemme tell you, back when it first released EVERY and i do mean EVERY SINGLE reviewer shat on the game because they thought it was dogshit. it wasnt until over a decade later someone made videos on how your suppose to play the game, is when the game got its fair shake from the community. Its a very high skilled action game and if you try to argue that its bad game design, you will get laughed at by the community. its a hard skill issue on that front but again we never knew any of it before because not a lot of people played and experimented on it to truly flesh out what you can do in said game.
on that meeting someone mention that having skip button is better than no skip button because if story is good，even the skip button is there no one will press it， if there is skip button，you can expect everyone to love the story so for those people who dont like the story can skip it and continue to the gameplay... but forcing people dont enjoy the story or who dont like the plot？it just making the experience fall deep into hell。。。 i strongly believe request to have skip button must be on the list and the DEV just ignore it... why i wish to have the skip button is!!!!!! why the fxxk the daily mission i have to go through all the dialogues ????!!!!! Its the same repeat dialogue！！！！
I think this debate is dragging because Pokke is misunderstanding that Saint isn’t trying to be perfect. I think Saint’s idea is that fun comes from balancing efficiency with enjoyment to keep it sustainable long-term. That’s how I approach TOA. I avoid frustration with time-gated content while finding my own ways to make the overworld fun. If you watched his ToA runs on CaptainCabinetz, you’d know what I mean 🤣🤣🤣 don’t come at me tho, I enjoyed that man. He’s also pointing out that credibility is influenced by how CCs present themselves, which affects their reputation over time. So it looks like he’s “finding faults” when no one else cares and they just want him to BLEND IN, but let’s be real it’s also for content, right? Most people don’t realize that, and it’s ironic because the same people criticizing Saint are also finding faults themselves. We’re all a bit hypocritical, aren’t we? It says a lot about our society, not just the gaming community. Ok personally I can usually tell what’s accurate or not, but the difference is I’m not creating content. Someone would bring it up eventually, and it happens to be Saint. I don’t think it’s gatekeeping; I just think he genuinely enjoys logical debates with like-minded people. Bro, I’m lost in the sauce that’s just my thought over this whole situation. Peace.✌️
As someone who plays ZZZ and Wuwa I can 100% say that in ZZZ Hoyo listens and does improvements just as hard as Kuro. I would also posit that combat is the only thing where Wuwa has the edge over ZZZ currently, but that as well might change with the 1.4 ZZZ patch. Don't play other Hoyo games so idk about them. But the argument that Hoyo is trash definitely feels groundless when you just take ZZZ(latest Hoyo game) vs Wuwa(latest Kuro game)
I've seen what 1.4 characters have to offer for ZZZ. I have also seen what 2.0 in WuWa has to offer and trust me I don't think 1.4 is giving ZZZ an edge over WuWa in terms of combat. ZZZ is giving a lot of nice changes in 1.4 but it won't give them an edge up for combat focused players
We are kinda shilling Kuro but I'm fine with it because I just like what they do When I don't like what they do I am very vocal about it (like I think To The Shore's End writing is offensively bad) But it makes sense what Saintontas does because the people watching that content are people who care about it in the firstplace, there may be viewers out there who don't like certain aspects in Hoyo games and when they see how much Kuro works on their game they could jump and have a better time And those vids highlighting the good decisions and showing more detailed breakdown for character kits can also heighten enjoyment, like not many people care about swap-back swap-back or juggles, but when you do it feels like you get way more value out of a character and you can draw that value if you invest some time into it, that's what I like about combat in WW And highlighting the good decisions Kuro makes, again, draws in people who appreciate those decisions and I think that good practices like listening to feedback and all should be encouraged, just as the negative parts need to be criticized(I do criticize when I send feedback) the good decisions should be encouraged both to create a less negative dynamic in the fandom and for devs to see "ah, so this is good and this is bad" and just knowing that chances are they will get to that feedback if it's loud enough is pretty cool, I just hope they keep the ball rolling and improving the game. That's how a live-service game should work anyways
I don't understand why there is a need to find external validation that the game they're playing is better than other games. Is it because of a lack of enjoyment in playing the game, so they need to constantly look outside and talk with other players within their own echo chambers.
I think in regards to guide makers and tier lists, it's similar to like Super Smash Bros, where you don't have to be the best of the best to know what you're talking about. If you have the data, and you have the evidence, you yourself don't necessarily need the skill. And when it comes to sub 1 minute clearing, there's no point to that, and very few players can even do that. Limiting who I listen to for advice to such a tiny subset of the community is a waste of time when you can find all the info you need to 3 star clear from any guide maker who actually knows what they're talking about. In regards to Camellya, she is both braindead AND complex. Those are not mutually exclusive. A good fighting game example of that is R.O.B. in Smash Ultimate. He's braindead easy, but he also has a lot of complexity underneath for those who want to take him all the way. It's called having a low floor and a high ceiling.
shill is often used to gaslight, but shill also often have reputation of defending their game with baseless facts. Its exact same thing with people from communist countries, they know their countries have alot of shiet sides, but they dont wanna hear it for their fragile ego, so they go to war on social media. Shill isnt very different, most shill that is. But Pokke is also too branded into that idea of a shill to recognize a true shill, to accept that there is good shill.
Ur points in the pokke goes nuclear and the problem with pokke segments sound so weird. It’s not a good thing to glaze the everliving crap out of million dollar companies that are only in it for your money; you can thank the developers, there’s the ones putting in the effort not the company (this goes for hoyo and kuro). And with the character design point; it’s almost entirely subjective, some people will like that hsr is re-introducing previously explored character themes (not saying designs because their designs are quite different they just bare a resemblance) and some people won’t. Both viewpoints are valid. I like the designs kuro are introducing for 2.0 it’s what brought me back to wuwa but to act like they’re some peak level of character design is dumb; even genshins different regions all have unique styles and characters that fit them, like there’s a noticeable difference between inazuma characters and Fontaine characters. So bugging up kuro for doing it as if it’s some unique never before seen concept is a bit far fetched imo.
It’s much better to specify you’re appreciating the people behind the product than the company itself. The big wealthy CEO’s didn’t do anything towards the designs of the characters, that’s the art team and the animators.
Whats with defending Prydwen having inaccurate guides and info? If you sell yourself as a guide website then give accurate guides and put in the minimum effort to update characters within 6 weeks of a new patch. Only a handful of characters even have changes to their guides each patch. It's not hard to have accurate information.
Why is Pokke defending them being lazy? It makes ZERO sense.
If I go to Mc Donalds and ask for a cheeseburger, I expect a cheese burger. If they hand me something without cheese, why would I be okay with it at least being a burger?
This was just weird to listen to.
exactly, just have both, a simple guide for more casual players, and a advanced guide for people who want to get the utmost out of their teams and rotations, and make sure the bloody guide is up to date.
also sweet christ almighty poki was arguing semantics the entire time, trying to defend prydwen "oh well, its good enough for a casual player, why do you just make the more advanced guides" my brother, or the guide that is designed to teach people about the characters could actually get off their ass and provide the best possible information? "what makes a guide good?" depends on the guide, but for something like wuwa, having the most complete information makes it good, if its lacking up to date information and has misplaced characters, thats not a good guide, especially when prydwen advertises themselves as THE place to go to get a competitive edge, you cant get a edge with outdated and misplaced info and characters.
Pretty sure Pokke is affiliated with prydwen
The way he valiantly stands on the hill for prydwen makes this take more plausible
the rank 1 Kurobot strike again. o7 Poor Pokke he was not ready
o7 Rip Pokke
on the gacha level open world, sure wuwa is hard, but its not that "gatekeeping". The dodge and parry system reward the player for actual pull it off
you'd be surprised how bad at games people are.
@@bloodjordan5439 lmao I keep forgetting this until I see my friends playing, then go like "oh..." 😂
as long as kuro don't bring the boses from PGR then it's all good but ngl I would like a boss that will kick my arse Mercilessly
That's why i don't understand why people are easy to say things without actually looking at the bigger picture. It's like they haven't interacting to different types of people and just assumed things base only of how they feel and justify it like it was a solid fact for everyone😂😂
@derb1809 I now want a WuW x PGR crossover event with a PGR boss rush mode as WuWa's event minigame.
Pokke is a great entertainer... not a great debater. That is fine, since being entertaining is his job. He is often wrong with his takes though... the 2.6 monkey quest was waaaay too long for something that is supposed to be a meme. Penacony being 5 and a half hours according to Ryuku sensei is also way too long... nobody wants to spend an hour per day for a whole week just to read texts
edit: lol I still don't have max eidolon harmony trailblazer despite having a 2+0 Lingsha lol
Penacony is more than 20+ hours you know. The 5 hourse part is just per patch of story quest focusing on Penacony
@@HazardTone you're right lol I forgot, 5 hours is the entirety of the Belobog, but only the introduction to Penacony. I tend to forget my traumas :P
I enjoy long quests actually, the entirety of Penacony felt too short for me🥲
Yeah every time Saint would make an argument, even if it was easy to go against it, Pokke would just say "nuh uh" and not saying anything meaningful to the conversation.
Does HSR have skip button? Genuinely asking. I don't wanna waste my time in boring story.
Call me crazy but debates are healthy for the gacha community 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
yes until some genshin cc starts taking it too personal 😊
NO it's not healthy for diehard genshin peeps
Healthy is insane
@@navelaika2910but why taking it personal?
As long as their civil debates like this one, yes.
51:01 it is natural for the community around a skill-based videogame to be "elitist".
As in: if the game rewards skill, the players will value that skill.
Just look at the Souls communities and you will find the same.
maybe except elden ring lol
@@miraqen7801its also quite prevalent tho in elden ring, especially those that said using summons = not playing the game,
@@miraqen7801 nope, elden ring is no exception. It may have more casuals among the playerbase because elden ring became mainstream, but the core souls playerbase is still there, so the whole "git gud" mentality is as prevalent as ever. And thanks to new blood in the audience the amount of challenge runs and pvp sweatlords in ER is bonkers big
@@miraqen7801 After watching a friend spend 3 hours against Melania, I can say you are totally wrong.
Ok i just saw the podcast today and finished it, and i had to immediately visit this cc, cause of all the cc's in that podcast this guy prolly made more of a point than the others, the glazing aside. He has strong points. And as a zzz player i thank you for acknowledging about how fast the dev team of zzz acted on the problem about the tv's.
And because of that, even though I'm a hoyo player. I will respect every wuwa player, and cc's they love the game they can defend it. And to show my respect even more i voted for wuwa on the incoming game awards.
Hope you guys win!!
yo just a question is it a good time to go back to zzz now? i played for 3 weeks on release and quit planning to quit hsr so i kinda want to replace it
@@luckybun4500no, any player that plays hoyo games is a childish man child. So you wouldn't want to be one do you?
@@luckybun4500 Idk how far u were in ZZZ when u quit but If u r a LORE LOVER, still in Early Chapter and hate TV, u should prob wait till the v1.4's release. The reason is that in v1.4, they gonna reduce the lvl requirement of Story and also introduce more way to obtain inter-knot EXP as well as give u a new "Fall Guy Gameplay" option in place of TV mode. I think u will have a better experience progressing through the story by then. Other than that, as of now, nothing changes much since v1.0 except for couple additional Endgame Modes and No TVs in latest story chapters.
- On the other hand, if u r not a LORE LOVER like me and U WANT EXTRA PULLS (maybe around 10 pulls from the current events, and remaining dailies/weeklies till v1.4) for Miyabi or Harumasa, I would suggest u to play ZZZ now and basically SKIP all the Stories. So far, I am telling u majority of Stories are VERY casual (character's introduction, doing chores for NPC,...), which dont really relate to the MAIN LORE WHATSOEVER.
P.s: Hope this helps.😆😆😆
@@luckybun4500I'd say you start at 1.4 if you really want to go back, but if you're a f2p like me that's saving for miyabi i suggest to play now to get the rewards, and so you don't have to spend money. But if you i suggest start at 1.4 cause they changed everything from there.
Oh and you really don't need to force yourself to play the game we have our own favourite genre, i liked zzz because it's chill. It's probably the only game i play that's chill cause i mostly play FPS and MOBA.
But given that you only played 3 weeks on release and didn't stick around, you might wanna check it out rn just to confirm yourself if you like it or not.
I just want a skip button because I don't have any time left after work. And weekends are for house chores. Doesn't matter if the story is good or even if it's gonna be oscar nominated I'll skip it if I don't have time. If I want to experience the story i could watch it on TH-cam.
Even then, if u don't add a skip button atleast make the story straight to the point and not shove in hours of unnecessary dialogues that are plain boring for the sake of giving u a false idea that it's "more content". A lot of the times it gets interesting then we are sent back to boring garbage dialogues applicable to both HSR and Genshin.
@@Wagyube-ef you summed it up pretty well for me. It's why I've completely given up on Genshin. I still haven't finished the Fontaine quest.
You are 100% right. But this is not the hoyo formula unfortunately, they know that story even if forced means more attachment=more money. They aren’t going to change their billion dollar formula
@@QMS9224my formula will never change
@@QMS9224 HI3 and ZZZ both have skip buttons, so idk what this "Hoyo formula" bs you're spouting is.
This is why I kept on telling everybody that Mr.Pokee is not only a liar, he also has a small brain.
I remember watching this live and it was infuriating. Everytime Saint made a valid point which requires a response from Pokke, he would just give vague nonsensical answers and would disagree for the sake of disagreeing. He then exposed himself even more on the gacha cast when none of his takes hold any value.
The first half of this conversation made me think Saint was wasting his time but by the end of the video, it only reaffirmed why I removed these degens from my feed who only want to farm content. Saint legit 1V3’d on the gacha cast
Fr Saint is one of the only creators who actually care about information and arent brain dead
I already given up watching pokke a long time ago when i noticed that his slowly and really really obviously throwing jabs at wuwa and pushing thd Sensor tower to cause his fans to go to every wuwa vids and comment sections to harass people and use the tower as a weapon for harassments. That time I realized that pokke became a instegator of drama more and more.
I remember one time those earlier days i first seen pokke on Tectone's streams that the bald man warned him about the consequences of pandering to the Genshin fans or even the online hoyo community,..... I'm not a fan of the bald man but oh boi he sure was right and we are seeing it right now in real time on how pokke behave.
@@ggrimmfield5529 stopped watching him when he started playing genshin actively. I could see a shift into the hoyo cuckery. He plays it off as ironic, but his fans are a reflection of his real stance.
Yeah this is what i think too but i cant think what the issue is before 😂
Agree
I honestly think that the WuWa community are not people that want brute force quides. They are players from PGR and they want to know the characters true power and secrets to perform the insane combos you see in PGR.
Is the majority of wuwa players actually PGR players though? The way its been portrayed the last 6 months from what I seen... its just ex-genshin players, the large population of the Hoyo audience and ofc, actual new new new players and/or players from the smaller niche games that usually stay in their own lane.
True, the only thing I actually look at guide videos are comparisons between different echo sets and which is better for a character
@@kuvjason7236 saying ex-genshin players doesn't mean much. Most gacha players have played genshin at this point and quit it for different reasons. No one knows what the majority of players is, but certainly it isn't hoyo players, since the MC isn't a cameraman.
me me me, PGR player here, and dont forget the powercrept character almost 1 year and half
so Jiyan will powercreep in 1 year with same element and same damage type
@@habilpratamaid9009 same model 💀
Sainto just cares about the accuracy of information in wuwa community, it's simple really mr pookie
Nothing wrong with accuracy. But also not every guide has to go over the most advanced stuff. It's okay to have guides for beginners/more casual players who just want the info needed to get 3 stars.
@@JosepiThe13th of course but like sainto said it doesn't hurt to add the extra stuff that you could also do, that's all
But basic shit are not even updated, not even the most basic stuff though? Are you watching the video? How long josepi...
Saints 100% right about the skip button
I’ve been enjoying zzz and wuwa, both respect my busy schedule
I really loved Genshin on release and I still play HSR but the pacing being so long on story is definitely a demerit
Poke’s argument on the story made no sense lol
He said he didn’t care then that he did
Bro what
HoW DaRe kuRO Bot AttAck us!
Wait till hoyo decided to release a character with a kit to skip dialogue and you'll be cooked! 🤑🤑🤡🤡
Well most hoyoverse games vn genre but restrictions by dialogue. Well I play most doujin rare bound storylock at least skip button or fast forward dialogue vn. If stop important moment or certain cg part. Maybe off topic game talking sry
Yeah, it was stupid how he said he doesn't care for the story, when back in HSR 2.2 he made a vid where he said "We need to pay more attention to the stories in gacha games."
@@soratakeshi2077 Yeah i know what you mean. I once heard they officially stated that they're VN or story focused.
But if they said so, why don't they implement the basic features of the VN formula, which is a fast forward option?
2 reasons came to my mind. Either they force introduce future playable characters in dialogue or make it seems the game has massive and long hours of content..
Pokke hates skip button is really sellfish and shill moments, everyone have their own taste of having fun with the story
Pokke's problem is that Hoyo games are extremely casual, so it's ok for guide makers to have shit accounts and know nothing about the characters.
Wuthering waves is simple but a much deeper system and requires more of it's players. enemies actually fight back and will kill you if you fuck up too much instead of just sitting there soaking up damage like a sponge.
Saint sounded So Intimidating that it probably made MrPokke agree To most of His Points... 😂💀
Saying he doesn't care about the story and going back and forth on how much he cares about it was so annoying, he just couldn't bring himself to admit that he would enjoy the game more if there was a skip button is so annoying. I play genshin hsr wuwa and zzz and the skip button would be sooooo nice in genshin and hsr. The most recent story in hsr whs horribleeee like pulling teeth to try and finish
What’s funny is as someone who watches pokke (I love HSR), but I love Wuwa too it’s my favorite gacha rn. But yea I watched Pokke play the shorekeeper quest on stream and he was more engaged into the story that any hoyo quest I’ve seen, and even rated it highly. But he can’t admit this bc his chat is very toxic
@@QMS9224 he was going to give it a 9 or 9.5 but the hoyobot was spamming no that he deduct it 8.5 lmao
I feel like Pokke understands whats going on behind the scene, he just trying his luck by giving nonsense argurment back at saintontas to see how he handles it, hoping he might screw up. Props to Saintos for being so patient and being on point on every single explaination.
Saintontas I think you're wrong, because... uh... because I feel like you're wrong >:(
(irony)
"You're wrong, but let me think why 🤔🤔🤔"
1:10:50 Ok wow Pokke wtf was that comment. That was manipulative as hell man.
1:11:50 nah, its just Wuwa is an improved Genshin. Hearing people say the wuwa Dev listens to the players got my attention. Seeing no stamina while running in the open world and running up walls sealed the deal for me. I tried wuwa out on launch that when i played genshin after it just felt so off. Genshin just felt slow, the combat dull and the world started to look more childlish. I just wasn't having fun anymore in Genshin so I wasn't as invested anymore compared to Wuwa quality of life improvements i wanted in Genshin and just god like Combat with real bosses.
Then ZZZ came out later and I dropped genshin impact completely. I don't have time. I play Wuwa, ZZZ, HSR and now Girls frontline:2. Even though Genshin is now starting to improve there game. I just don't see it as them honestly having the player experience in mind anymore. When Genhin release news of Natlan I got interested cause it was the nation of war. So I was like oh hell yeah but it turns out its just hip hop, dancing, with plushie monsters. I just can't go back to a kids game man. People grow up as time goes by. They want a more mature game to play.
Just wanted to highlight this:
In the surveys of gachas I ask for qol changes to help the daily grind and overall experience. I played Genshin, HSR and ZZZ as well as Wuwa.
Wuwa was the first gacha between these four that actually implemented what I asked in the survey.
(1) Let me see the echo main stat without going to the bag or character page
(2) Let me rerun the boss stages without going in and out
(3) Make it easier to gather resources in the overworld.
Like I get so surprised when I see these changes after all the experience I had with miyoho prior to Wuwa.
1:11:25 based ... wuwa is a direct competitor of genshin (because they have the exact same game genre) but as the same way early days genshin was compared to breath of the wild and at some point it turn into its own thing and this comparison only maid sense for the early parts of the map ... wuwa is its own thing now, keep comparing wuwa to genshin seems to me just to create negative engagement... the "genshin could never" meme is fun, but it should be just a meme, wuwa can live as a total separated game from genshin ... like overwatch and valorant are similar games, but are independent from each others and ppl don't keep comparing them every single change they have(I think so)
With how zzz gives out that new dude for free,i think trend of "genshin could never" will continue. It's not even originated from wuwa,it started with ratio in HSR,wuwa is just giving cherry on top by giving free XY
@@yogafajarwicaksono8009 I didn't say that it started on wuwa, I was just using as an example of comparison between the games ... the main focus of my comment is "wuwa is its own thing now, keep comparing wuwa to genshin seems to me just to create negative engagement"
I cant even listen to him talk, all that Vicks in his brain making him delusional
hahahahhahahhahhahahhaa
That vicks helps him defrost the inside
Pokkee really is the fraud he thinks he is. I was a big hsr fan before being a wuwa fan. Since the arrival of new games it has become very unbearable. his hsr even videos have lost quality. he was a good guy before. Today it has become a scourge for all other games except hoyo🤡 Fob is a better hoyoshill than him. At least he is reasonable
Fob is just fob and I really hope fob just stop with his stupid takes
Relax bud it’s not that deep
agree, he changed after collecting all hoyo shill like a pokemon playing all hoyo games, and shilling after hoyo content, love his hsr video even before playing wawa
Actual good talk in gacha space ? I have never seen anybody talking like this in gacha space, LMAO. Saintontas slowly changing my perspective of gacha player being brain-dead since last 5 months+ LMAO. Good content man and I love both of you didn't just start talking loud and fighting but just having arguments and solving it.
S: "if you don't care about the story, wouldn't a SKIP Button be good?"
P: "Nah I just don't care because I'll still play the game as it is."
a SKIP Button can save you 2 months worth of autoclicking. Imagine if we have a SKIP Button during Aranara Quest. I could've saved days of my playtime.
Also what Saint said about Aranara Quest is absolutely correct. If you say "Sumeru Forest Exploration is not locked behind Aranara Quest" you just simply didn't play the game, because there's a whole entire region locked behind Aranara Quest, and not to mention you have to unlock the Aranara Zither and their different tunes as well as the Rain Control Panel to unlock chests drowning in water.
Every time Pokke says "Chet, nEuTrAL" he then proceeds being bias af... Trully a degen.
Saint is constantly bringing up good points and concerns that I personally share with HSR and Genshin (no skip button, devs taking too long to implement QOS or do so poorly).
When I started playing Wuwa again this month, I was able to catch up in a timely manner with the events. The events were fun and engaged with the core gameplay of Wuwa while also including information about the playable characters that released while I was not playing.
Whereas when I logged in to HSR, I had to slowly trudge through setting up a room in the train for hours and at the end of it there was 0 gameplay?
I like the comparisons. It brings attention and hopefully a call to action from hoyo players (Myself included) that can hopefully bring positive change into the space for everyone (skippers and non skipper alike)
Bullying..... Works.
Saintontas 2024~
Rank 1 Kurobot: *presents valid points supported by clear evidence and tries to make a healthy discussion based on facts not feelings. *
Rank 1 Hoyoshill: "Doesn't that make you a shill?" 🤡🤪
ASSEMBLE KURO GIGACHADS
If being a CC isn't Saintontas' main source of income... he'd make a great solicitor (lawyer)! 😆 He is so good at making clear, valid and logical points.
And, yes... he does have a really lovely voice
I know Pokke is an idiot. But damn, not to that degree. Both he and his chat are giving me brainrot. 🤦🏻♂️
@@revivemefellas9637 r/gachagmaing is waiting for you soldier
@@revivemefellas9637 But skip button tho
I can safely say most people ''want to get better in the game'' just enought to get all rewards, the moment most people reach that level, they will be satisfied
Not gonna lie Saintontas is like the coffeezilla of gacha game he even wear the same outfit as him
😂
HOLY SHIT THAT IS TRUE!!! HAHAHAHAHA Never caught that detail
Hol up did bro just cook?
Jack in the box ahh head without the ice cream cone
Eyyo.. did I see Saintzilla there?
I watched the real pokke back when bro had 900 subs. This new pokke is a persona he adopted because it gets him more traction. Old pokke would agree with you.
Pokke fell off 🤣
watching the whole video, listening to both while reading Pokke's Chat, I will make the statement that Pokke's Chat is really disgusting, lame and of course typing without thinking that the events made in jest will become reality for people who do not know the initial context.
Example, Revenue topic, their chat said EoS is a Joke, then what about on r/gachagaming ? the horrible people want to WW EoS happilly, they're no brain, hopeless. Another Example on another platform like Facebook, people are hoping too WW need EoS because low revenue on 1.2
how the fck they said joke when they actually starting the war by trigger other community
I swear the NPCs in Pokke's chat just reflected the stancing up Pokke did throughout this
I was watching Razor_CT talked about Prwyden HSR too and apparently they were motivated by $$$$ to keep a DPS tier list. That list apparently got removed due to a lot of complaints and the owner consign to those complaints.
Personal opinion: I'd rather watch a guide for a character, done by someone near, or below, my skill level, so I know that I can at least do that well with a character, when pulling for them. If it takes super timing and swapping and animation canceling, it's of no use to me. I don't value the position on a tier list seriously, taken from the judgement of a super sweaty player.
ayy so ill make guides for you
@eternitiesx ok :)
oof, below your skill level? Yikes. I kinda don't believe you on that one mate. I also get not using swap cancelling. I don't do it or maybe i do idk. I haven't really looked into animation cancelling maybe I do it naturally due to the feeling of " being on a timer/ My buff is running out" so I have to swap quickly.
I think this is a dishonest take and quite dumb, if the guide maker is worse than you, why would you need the guide, just go figure
Often, a guide maker is just listing out what the kit does, what stats impact the skills, and other things that skill has no part in. Their actual skill in combat and ability to defeat really hard content has no bearing on whether or not the facts are true.
So, I'd rather see the evaluation of their kit done by someone who isn't using every trick in the book to pull off impressive feats of skill, to show me how a character plays for them... and if I can play with that kit better than the guide maker, all the better.
If I'm watching some master of the game tell me how awesome a character is... and then I try to use that kit, but I'm not using animation canceling, swapping out to support characters to use their buffs at JUST the right moment in some rotation thing... I'll find that character much less awesome than this master says they are.
the thing is, Camellya may be complex but you cant change the fact that the "brain dead" part of her gameplay is easily accessible and recognize even without guides and thats probably where they are coming from, but yeah its very divided some people cant see the Gray and is just all Black and White
The issue with this is that we can make this argument for every 5 star in the game if played in hypercarry. Camellya really isn't a special case here. If you do your own testing any "brain dead" part of any characters kit is easily accessible without looking at guides
I think hoyo games suffer from a serious case of ensh*tification (its a real word). They start off good and they never get better (or sometimes get worse). Thats why I never started zzz because it will probably not get much better than it is. Thats why bringing the developers into the argument is important - patterns tend to repeat. Also funny how I dont feel disrespected by calling myself a kurobot but even when I was playing genshin as my main game (and liked it for years) I wouldn't want to be called a Hoyoshill or a Genshin defending knight.
Guys, lets make a standalone guide website for wuwa like that pgr one
I've been in the gacha space for a while now and this was without a doubt the best and most logical debate I've ever experienced.
In general in the gacha space this is extremely rare.
Mr pokke respected and tried to argue in the most logical way he could (which was kinda depressing as the norm), but Saintontas proved and demonstrated something very rare, his power of argument and respect for others
Continue the good work and stay respectful and logical in this debates (is kinda ridiculous that I have to say this but it is becoming rare to see).
saintontas you quickly became one of my favorite CC in very few videos and it's not because I play wuwa and believe in what you say but because your videos are well written, well argued and you're not afraid to say what's wrong and what is fine.
Clearly I'm not the only one who believes this, so it's a matter of time and consistency for your channel to unleash its full potential.
We definitely need a Wuwa version of Gray Ravens
UH UH wel they dont wanna know the rotation because uh uh they dont want to!!!😡😡😡
this debate was basically one person attempting to make reasonable points and the other rambling off of vibes.
Wow. Here Kurobot and Hoyoshill can actually have a nice and peaceful conversation, which is definitely impossible in CN community
You know its insane when the shortned version is 1:44:08 long
Its over 9999second
Pokke really brought his dad in to the conversation 😅😋
pokke thought he was going in for an ambush, but he was utterly defenseless after the 1st move
55:25 I think this depend at how much time ppl have to training the mechanics ... I want a comfortable rotation as base and depending on how fast I adapt to it, maybe I'll look in a more complex rotation. But in a case of someone that does not have that much time to learn and deal with ping, try to learn how to keep 3 characters in field does not compensate, the amount gain that you'll receive in dmg output does not worth the time of training that you'll need to do to dominate that character control ... it is nice to know that there is a higher ceiling of ability , but I just want to be able to clear the content and have fun, I don't want to participate in boss speed run
It all started with "Kuro deserve an apology" and "Hoyo deserve an apology"
Nuclear reaction
Tbf pokkes kinda start it. Saint just doing his job(shilling the company of course ). When Saint replied it, pokkes chat just exploded it like it is his fault.
That NUCLEAR REACTION is INSANE!
Is he defending not having a skip button. Also I don't do brand loyalty but critique is critique... He is splitting hairs at point. Saints a shill cool, but why can't we critique hoyoverse or discuss. 🙄. Honkai gave me burn out cause everything started getting drawn out.
Hello friend, Zinnia Floof here, it has come to my attention that you have "shadow banned" me via pressing "hide user from your channel". How do I know this? I created several accounts and did some testing. I just want you to know that being unwilling to apologise to me is not only extremely unprofessional but also will work in my favour because if I show the fact that I was shadow banned by you in the video I'm working on, people will further be on my side. You're digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole when all you have to do is apologise then this will be over. Please don’t make this harder than it has to be as I am very stubborn and will stop at nothing in the name of justice. People are allowed to make as many accounts as they want, btw, and I highly encourage you to act like a sensible individual. Cheers from your buddy. 😀
Can my fave strimmers hug it out pls
That wouldn't be content, right
as of now, it's impossible
WAR
pokke is a grifter farming for drama
They hug in the back stage
I'm almost an hour in and it feels like Poke is stuck on repeat since he still can't see why Saint has his stance on certain CC's guides for wuwa. How many more times will Saint repeat his point in a way more clearer than last?
It's even more shocking since Poke is a zero cycle CC for hsr. This makes no sense
Wtf is a zero cycle cc? That's a fancy way of calling yourself a giga whale.
@@HazardTonethats what cc do nowadays
In speedrun Sanhua is holding all records with Camellya, Encore and even HRover, Jiyan whereas Zhezhi is rarely to be found (only with Jinhsi) and Yinlin is nowhere to be found. Short field time OP.
Omg, the way how Pokke's chat is all typing this pointless shit and with the whole this herd saying like this 1:26:36 was "optional"... and this "no" after that...
Literally 0 IQ Hoyoshills...
They like to regurgitate any opinion they hear like a bunch sheep in a herd. Like Saint said a certain portion of the map stays blurred out and inaccessible until you complete the whole Aranara quest line.
incromprehensive babbling and grifting by pokke. Just farming drama to appease mintpickers and piss off normies
I've never used Prydwen. I just build chars with common sense, and if I feel like I'm missing something, I know there will be someone that'll make a vid.
to be fair builds in wuwa are very straightforward (im not a big fan of that but oh well) and you cant really mess it up too bad if you keep in mind balance of your stats, in genshin at least there was elemental mastery which had separate scaling and could have compleatly different value depending on your team giving you another layer for build optimization, in wuwa you just get as much atk and dmg% as you can while trying to stay as close to 1:1 as possible and as much crit as possible while trying to keep 1:2 ratio and thats about it, some characters also ER untill you hit a breakpoint where ults are consistent and you're done
@@utsubyo Pretty sure Genshin is as straightforward too... Could just be me but all these gacha games share the same idea when it comes to their character building. Nothing really special personally speaking
@utsubyo elemental mastery is basically another stat that boost something that a specialized character utilize. Not different from break it is straight forward asf. Even then your character playstyle doesnt even change much, nor does the gameplay.
@@hentikirby7142 well yesnt, sure there are characters that just go full EM the same way how some go full break with superbreak now in hsr, but it's a stat that you might or might not want on your regular crit dps unlike break in hsr, if you play jingliu/dhil/seele/feixiao or pretty much any other crit dps (besides xueyi or sushang ig) you dont really care about break at all, meanwhile in genshin it is a VERY important stat that is NOT all or nothing, quite often it's good enough to be used as mainstat on sands and/or better than atk in substats, it adds third layer to the mix, not just atk/dmg% and cr/cdmg, now you also balance those two with EM which acts as an extra multiplier in vape/melt reactions or as an alternative to atk for quicken reactions, this means that sometimes traidoffs that are not very obvious might end up being better, like for example if you play xiangling the value of EM changes a lot depending on if you play in mono pyro/vape/overvape teams, you can use her as enabler for melt ganyu and then again EM is useless on her but becomes usefull on ganyu, or you might use her with double hydro hu tao and then even tho EM would be great you dont build much of it because other stats take way higher priority since she doesnt get any buffs there and struggles with ER
and yeah i get that you might just use the same build all the time and beat the abyss, that's not the point, it does add a whole new layer of build optimization and as a nerd i really enjoyed that
@@Wagyube-ef yeah i get that, i never said it's super complex, i just said that it was a bit better, just adding or removing one layer of complexity/rng can make a huge difference, wuwa for example made "artifact" grind way better because they removed one layer of rng, you dont have to repeatedly roll into stats, if you get them once then that's it, but they also removed something from build complexity, and if something was already kinda straightforward now its just compleatly dumbed down to put fire set on fire character and give the basic attack based character basic atk bonus with some atk and crit, maybe er if ult reliant, i'm not a big fan of that
I mean this with the utmost respect/disrespect mr.pokkee NEEDS closed caption because I can barely understand what he is saying
as a G.I player for 4yrs, that skip button is really necessary, When I logged in again to the game after 4 months, I need to do all the quests and companion quests and that frustrate me especially the companion. too much yapping and trash but force to you read and watch it just to get the primogems. what a trash game after 4 years.
wait... spectre rover can heal?!!!!!!!!!!!! 😮😮😮
It surprisingly can.. for himself atleast.
@@jajanchannel2279 It's whole party actually. Rover can also proc healing set for attack buff so you can run them in a team as a pseudo buffer if needed
The site would have done better if they outsourced the workloads to those who wants to make videos on said games.
1:11:41 You NEED to make the comparison, it makes both games better for players.
1:26:47 it's not that's you can't unlock the whole sumeru, you just can't100 % the exploration since it locks a part of the map
The only thing i got out of this video is that Pokke's opinions and thoughts are unworthy to be listened to.
What a waste of my time
Next up, im going to need Mr Pokke to take an IQ test. I am begging
Hsr has a copy paste system of genshin with just turn based gameplay. If hsr's future turns out to look like genshin, I wouldnt be surprised at all. It was all there since the beginning. Hsr is just a turn base non open world genshin.
me just want to play the game and do moves that isn't practical but it looks nice. i only do it in the overworld since it is much more forgiving.
style points...
in genshin i been told im playing the game wrong for playing geo xD
and i have c6 itto
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I didn't understand any of this conversation about the game but I'm looking forward to playing this game on January 2nd 😊
59:00 casuals don't do that, or they're not really casual lol. A casual will try a guide, then if they can't play the character well with it they'll bench the character. You need a bit of investment to recognise there might be more to the character or to want to improve your gameplay of them. Casuals shouldn't have to risk looking at a bad guide if they're already looking at one at all. If it's there it should be accurate and adequate and transparent enough to understand at all levels of investment.
I play WUWA. Will someone tell me how to access the weapons in my backpack?? When I open the character and access the weapons tab, I tap the switch prompt, but the items in my backpack don't populate.
I can't wait for these upcoming gacha games to come out. These GI/WuWa Kuro/Hoyo comparisons
were funny at first but got tired like GI vs BOTW.
Where people were breaking ps4s over Genshin stealing the open world blueprint from Zelda: BOTW lol
As a layman, I watched some of this and, while I agree with you to a large degree, one counterpoint I would like to make to your guidemaker point is the "snapshot in time" point. People tend to look for a couple of ways that work with things and go with it, even if they aren't the most optimal or efficient, especially under a time crunch. They may not have the time to sit down and properly, and completely, figure out every possible variation. 2 of the people I think of that do the testing and such off the top of my head are GachaSmack (who you mention) and Zajef in the genshin space. But even then, there are things that they can miss, that someone else might find out.
Guides are taken from a snapshot in time, and changes in understanding or overall meta changes often occur after that snapshot. As you've mentioned, WuWa has an incredible depth of skill, but even those on the higher tier of that gap are *still* learning new things about the game (you've said so yourself in this video). It takes just one person finding something new, and being willing to talk about it, for the context and gameplay around a character to change. And the minute that happens, a guide is now outdated.
Do I wish every guide was wholly complete and provided all the possible rotations for a unit? Yes, but expecting one person to think of every possible combination or variation is not, at least to me, a reasonable expectation.
I love saint.
But kurobots like us, i feel like are gatekeeping a ton of casuals to ever pick it up unless it was day 1, 1.0. Hopefully alot more people come in in 2.0.
Endgame is definitely not for the weak; specifically TOA if they ever think of clearing it.
I got 23 plates this cycle.
I know I still suck, but I improved from 11 last cycle.
I know I am not good enough for a hyper-quickswap style of playing, but seeing improvement still makes me happy.
I can't imagine how skilled are people soloing the tower with solo Danjin.
@@lesath7883 That's good to hear man. As a mobile player who's played on mobile devices since release, i will always support people like you in their journey. I was also slowly getting better over time so i know how it feels.
I think that's fine tbh. Endgame should have some degree of difficulty. If you are struggling with ToA max out your talents and work on your echoes. Also make sure at least your main dps has maxed out character level and maxed out weapon levels. ToA is just an account investment check you will get there eventually
I find it interesting that wuwa constantly has characters being leaked, entire kits and everything, meanwhile in nikke, we might know what faction is getting a new character, sometimes we know what they look like, but the entire kit pretty much has never been leaked. Sometimes we are almost certain what characters are coming, (Everyone knew cindy was coming for anni, iirc alot of people suspected red hood for last years anni) but we pretty much never know the kit.
1:15:00 sweet christ almighty poke, thats not shilling, it would be shilling if kuro had a contract to pay saint the more good he talks about wuwa, but afaik thats not happening, so what saint is doing, is basically appealing to a disgruntled player, if i hear someone complaining about destiny 2 and i tell them to try warframe and list out why they might like it, thats not shilling(at least, not in the way anyone uses the term), thats just spreading the good word about a game you like and want someone else to try. Also, its not a bad thing to compare two games that are in the same bloody genre, its hard to contextualize how good a given game is without comparig it to another game thats similar, why do you think destiny and warframe constantly get compared? when you compare two games, you can more easily highlight the strengths of one game over the other.
1:25:40 do you think poke had to stretch before he made this reach?
We never know the kit but like 25 characters were leaked right at the very start.
@@ziggszag1650 that happened right at launch? I wasn't around at that time (Or at least I wasn't in the fan discord)
@@azaril7780 yeah there was a huge doc with SO many future characters when the game first game out it was nuts lol. For example crown was leaked all the way back then.
Who is the CC that Saintontas mentioned? I would like to see the contents
There's so many names that they spew in just this video
Genshin side is doing close to nothing to make the game better, star rail and ZZZ is doing a lot consistently to make the game better, having a single bad story patch (2.6) in star rail is nothing compared to having bad story overall (Wuwa)
On the whole pryden situation, they have yet to update even old characters in hsr. They don’t mention super break on silver wolf, they lack Jiaoqui’s light cone on black swan, don’t even mention crit lingsha with jade, they just are so unreliable for any guides.
Even for the game they are most known for they are lazy and just give a basic understanding of the characters on their release unless your name is firefly.
Prydwen also randomly pushes niche characters up in the tiers, but never move unpopular characters up like Jade performing exceptionally well in the past few MOC’s and yet still being in the niche category.
Saintontas is a godsent to gacha community lol.
do you all remember the infamous cuphead reviewer from IGN? couldnt get past the tutorial. why would i take advice from people who are that bad at the game? i dont expect pro level of knowledge i expect at least an average. A whole lot of this video isnt exactly aimed at CC but their are some arguments for some of it. The main argument is why is this website that people hold in high regard, offering dog shit advice for the playerbase? but its touted as THE one stop shop for the best rotations and setups? I dont believe you should know every little nuance to a character to make a guide about em but if your a long time player/CC, its kind of your job to look into a character more than just hold basic attack to win kind of assessments.
And if enough players run with ideas like camellya being brain dead character which isnt even true. it makes it very difficult to talk about potential. Do you know what God Hand is? lemme tell you, back when it first released EVERY and i do mean EVERY SINGLE reviewer shat on the game because they thought it was dogshit. it wasnt until over a decade later someone made videos on how your suppose to play the game, is when the game got its fair shake from the community. Its a very high skilled action game and if you try to argue that its bad game design, you will get laughed at by the community. its a hard skill issue on that front but again we never knew any of it before because not a lot of people played and experimented on it to truly flesh out what you can do in said game.
That cuphead review is so dumb
on that meeting someone mention that having skip button is better than no skip button because if story is good，even the skip button is there no one will press it， if there is skip button，you can expect everyone to love the story so for those people who dont like the story can skip it and continue to the gameplay... but forcing people dont enjoy the story or who dont like the plot？it just making the experience fall deep into hell。。。
i strongly believe request to have skip button must be on the list and the DEV just ignore it...
why i wish to have the skip button is!!!!!! why the fxxk the daily mission i have to go through all the dialogues ????!!!!! Its the same repeat dialogue！！！！
I think this debate is dragging because Pokke is misunderstanding that Saint isn’t trying to be perfect. I think Saint’s idea is that fun comes from balancing efficiency with enjoyment to keep it sustainable long-term. That’s how I approach TOA. I avoid frustration with time-gated content while finding my own ways to make the overworld fun. If you watched his ToA runs on CaptainCabinetz, you’d know what I mean 🤣🤣🤣 don’t come at me tho, I enjoyed that man.
He’s also pointing out that credibility is influenced by how CCs present themselves, which affects their reputation over time. So it looks like he’s “finding faults” when no one else cares and they just want him to BLEND IN, but let’s be real it’s also for content, right? Most people don’t realize that, and it’s ironic because the same people criticizing Saint are also finding faults themselves. We’re all a bit hypocritical, aren’t we? It says a lot about our society, not just the gaming community.
Ok personally I can usually tell what’s accurate or not, but the difference is I’m not creating content. Someone would bring it up eventually, and it happens to be Saint. I don’t think it’s gatekeeping; I just think he genuinely enjoys logical debates with like-minded people. Bro, I’m lost in the sauce that’s just my thought over this whole situation. Peace.✌️
As someone who plays ZZZ and Wuwa I can 100% say that in ZZZ Hoyo listens and does improvements just as hard as Kuro.
I would also posit that combat is the only thing where Wuwa has the edge over ZZZ currently, but that as well might change with the 1.4 ZZZ patch.
Don't play other Hoyo games so idk about them. But the argument that Hoyo is trash definitely feels groundless when you just take ZZZ(latest Hoyo game) vs Wuwa(latest Kuro game)
I've seen what 1.4 characters have to offer for ZZZ. I have also seen what 2.0 in WuWa has to offer and trust me I don't think 1.4 is giving ZZZ an edge over WuWa in terms of combat. ZZZ is giving a lot of nice changes in 1.4 but it won't give them an edge up for combat focused players
We are kinda shilling Kuro but I'm fine with it because I just like what they do
When I don't like what they do I am very vocal about it (like I think To The Shore's End writing is offensively bad)
But it makes sense what Saintontas does because the people watching that content are people who care about it in the firstplace, there may be viewers out there who don't like certain aspects in Hoyo games and when they see how much Kuro works on their game they could jump and have a better time
And those vids highlighting the good decisions and showing more detailed breakdown for character kits can also heighten enjoyment, like not many people care about swap-back swap-back or juggles, but when you do it feels like you get way more value out of a character and you can draw that value if you invest some time into it, that's what I like about combat in WW
And highlighting the good decisions Kuro makes, again, draws in people who appreciate those decisions and I think that good practices like listening to feedback and all should be encouraged, just as the negative parts need to be criticized(I do criticize when I send feedback) the good decisions should be encouraged both to create a less negative dynamic in the fandom and for devs to see "ah, so this is good and this is bad" and just knowing that chances are they will get to that feedback if it's loud enough is pretty cool, I just hope they keep the ball rolling and improving the game. That's how a live-service game should work anyways
bro how is pokke keep repeating the same shit
I don't understand why there is a need to find external validation that the game they're playing is better than other games.
Is it because of a lack of enjoyment in playing the game, so they need to constantly look outside and talk with other players within their own echo chambers.
I think in regards to guide makers and tier lists, it's similar to like Super Smash Bros, where you don't have to be the best of the best to know what you're talking about. If you have the data, and you have the evidence, you yourself don't necessarily need the skill. And when it comes to sub 1 minute clearing, there's no point to that, and very few players can even do that. Limiting who I listen to for advice to such a tiny subset of the community is a waste of time when you can find all the info you need to 3 star clear from any guide maker who actually knows what they're talking about.
In regards to Camellya, she is both braindead AND complex. Those are not mutually exclusive. A good fighting game example of that is R.O.B. in Smash Ultimate. He's braindead easy, but he also has a lot of complexity underneath for those who want to take him all the way. It's called having a low floor and a high ceiling.
The prydwen issues you mentioned aren't limited to WuWa
Really? What else..
shill is often used to gaslight, but shill also often have reputation of defending their game with baseless facts. Its exact same thing with people from communist countries, they know their countries have alot of shiet sides, but they dont wanna hear it for their fragile ego, so they go to war on social media. Shill isnt very different, most shill that is. But Pokke is also too branded into that idea of a shill to recognize a true shill, to accept that there is good shill.
pokke is a literal hoyobot how do you listen to someone who cant agree that skip button is a good thing?
Damn, bruh...
The second half of the chapters title in description. 💀
Ur points in the pokke goes nuclear and the problem with pokke segments sound so weird. It’s not a good thing to glaze the everliving crap out of million dollar companies that are only in it for your money; you can thank the developers, there’s the ones putting in the effort not the company (this goes for hoyo and kuro). And with the character design point; it’s almost entirely subjective, some people will like that hsr is re-introducing previously explored character themes (not saying designs because their designs are quite different they just bare a resemblance) and some people won’t. Both viewpoints are valid. I like the designs kuro are introducing for 2.0 it’s what brought me back to wuwa but to act like they’re some peak level of character design is dumb; even genshins different regions all have unique styles and characters that fit them, like there’s a noticeable difference between inazuma characters and Fontaine characters. So bugging up kuro for doing it as if it’s some unique never before seen concept is a bit far fetched imo.
It’s much better to specify you’re appreciating the people behind the product than the company itself. The big wealthy CEO’s didn’t do anything towards the designs of the characters, that’s the art team and the animators.
Kuro's #1 DSer dunking on Hoyo's #1 DSer.
🍿🍿🍿
put the scythe down! that thing is sharp!
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