Interesting point regarding space. I hadn't thought of it that way. Multi can indeed have more livable space for a given length than a mono. However, when you try to fill that space, I found the reverse to be true. After consulting Nigel Calder and the like, we settled on finding a boat that could comfortably carry 5 tons (people, fuel, water, provisions, "household" items, personal effects, boat gear, ground tackle, dinghy, dive gear, tools, spares, maintenance stuff, solar and other bolt-on items, etc.) It sounds like a lot but it is surprising how quickly it adds up. A performance cat that can comfortably be loaded down with 5 tons is a monster. In some designs, you're cresting the 20 m LOA mark (e.g. Wharram Pahi 63 @ 4.5 tons load capacity!)
Thank you. you know sea.. I'm looking to live on a ship for the rest of my life by myself that's capable of sailing around the world.. my price range 500,000 bucks.. I'm asking does a ship in that range exist . love your video and input..thanks..
Thank you for this video. As future solo sailer for me a lot of cats all lines/winches point to 1 helm. Mono's design are easier on the eye (for me, very personal). But slamming, deep in the water etc. for cats is poor loading. Keep them light as for mono's. From a physics point (think hard data like SA/D, B/L, bruce number etc.) of view multi's are more safe and efficiënt. But I really agree that the choice is difficult between a upmarket mono or a upmarket multi. Sailing for me must be pure and not a floating apartment.
Le tout lorsque l'on choisi et achète un monocoque, c'est de ne plus monter ni même essayer un bon catamaran, sinon on regrette direct car on constate bien vite - hormis pour le marin extrémiste de base ou celui qui n'a pas le budget - que les arguments pour le mono sont bien maigres et relèvent trop souvent d'une méconnaissance du multicoque. Je ne refais pas la liste des avantages, nous les connaissons tous. Pour la régatte j'hésiterai car le mono peut-être super sympa à skipper, mais pour vire à son bord le multi est 100000x plus agréable. Reste évidemment la question budget et il est clair qu'il sera facile de trouver un mono pas trop cher, ce qui sera beaucoup plus dur pour un cata... Et puis les places de port peuvent également coûter cher (même si un monocoque qui dispose de la même surface habitable qu’un cata soit nécessairement beaucoup plus grand et la place de port souvent tout aussi chère). C'est aussi et surtout pour ces raisons budgétaires que nombre de voileux vantent les mérites des monos, mais la vérité c'est que s'ils avaient le budget pour un cata leurs arguments seraient totalement différent ! Mieux vaut l'admettre que de faire de l'autopersuasion avec de faux arguments... Des septiques ? Allez donc à l'arrivée des transatlantiques et comparez l'état de fraicheur physique et mental des équipages qui arrivent en mono et ceux qui arrivent en cata ;-))) Cela dit, si vous pensez que c'est la difficulté et l'humidité qui fait le marin, vous pouvez aussi traverser à la rame...
Well, as we point out in the blog, it's a contentious issue and I think we were pretty balanced in our assessment. The issue of budget a valid one but more than JUST about affordability. The built quality of the 'lower end' charter type cats just aren't suited to prolonged, offshore / open ocean sailing. Many have bulkhead and bridge deck issues after hard crossings. For the same price you can buy a true bluewater monohull that is built for the rigours of open ocean sailing. Also, monohulls just seem to work WITH the elements in a far more responsive, intuitive and organic way.. but maybe that's just because we're used to them ;) Those were probably the deciding factor for us to choose a monohull. However, we're not against catamarans at all, and if someone offered us an affordable Privilege, Catana, Outremer, Antares.. or any other rugged, blue water cat, then we certainly wouldn't say no!
Thank you for publishing this....Very informative
Always welcome
Interesting point regarding space. I hadn't thought of it that way. Multi can indeed have more livable space for a given length than a mono. However, when you try to fill that space, I found the reverse to be true.
After consulting Nigel Calder and the like, we settled on finding a boat that could comfortably carry 5 tons (people, fuel, water, provisions, "household" items, personal effects, boat gear, ground tackle, dinghy, dive gear, tools, spares, maintenance stuff, solar and other bolt-on items, etc.) It sounds like a lot but it is surprising how quickly it adds up.
A performance cat that can comfortably be loaded down with 5 tons is a monster. In some designs, you're cresting the 20 m LOA mark (e.g. Wharram Pahi 63 @ 4.5 tons load capacity!)
Wow that is a big cat ! I think monohulls are not always designed well inside .... the space could be used so much better
I recently bought a 1973 australian built 42ft monohull..... and ive never felt safer or more in touch with the sea
Sounds like a great boat !
I think monohull is good but i have to use a gyroscopic stabilizer to control tilting.
Thank you. you know sea.. I'm looking to live on a ship for the rest of my life by myself that's capable of sailing around the world.. my price range 500,000 bucks.. I'm asking does a ship in that range exist . love your video and input..thanks..
You can get boats for all sorts of prices .... you just need the courage !
Love this episode. Always thought an Amel was great, now Kraken is very appealing.
kraken is your Amel is t it ?
@@MotherShipAdrift for now it is.
Great choice of boat, especially as transporting family
We agree Vinnie, although every boat is a compromise and there's still plenty we would change about it if we could.
Thank you for this video. As future solo sailer for me a lot of cats all lines/winches point to 1 helm. Mono's design are easier on the eye (for me, very personal). But slamming, deep in the water etc. for cats is poor loading. Keep them light as for mono's. From a physics point (think hard data like SA/D, B/L, bruce number etc.) of view multi's are more safe and efficiënt. But I really agree that the choice is difficult between a upmarket mono or a upmarket multi. Sailing for me must be pure and not a floating apartment.
Lots of good points there .
You guys have sold me on a catamaran. lol. To be honest, I was already sold on a cat. Just personal preference.
That’s the same for lots of people 😃
Great video
Thanks !
Le tout lorsque l'on choisi et achète un monocoque, c'est de ne plus monter ni même essayer un bon catamaran, sinon on regrette direct car on constate bien vite - hormis pour le marin extrémiste de base ou celui qui n'a pas le budget - que les arguments pour le mono sont bien maigres et relèvent trop souvent d'une méconnaissance du multicoque. Je ne refais pas la liste des avantages, nous les connaissons tous. Pour la régatte j'hésiterai car le mono peut-être super sympa à skipper, mais pour vire à son bord le multi est 100000x plus agréable. Reste évidemment la question budget et il est clair qu'il sera facile de trouver un mono pas trop cher, ce qui sera beaucoup plus dur pour un cata... Et puis les places de port peuvent également coûter cher (même si un monocoque qui dispose de la même surface habitable qu’un cata soit nécessairement beaucoup plus grand et la place de port souvent tout aussi chère). C'est aussi et surtout pour ces raisons budgétaires que nombre de voileux vantent les mérites des monos, mais la vérité c'est que s'ils avaient le budget pour un cata leurs arguments seraient totalement différent ! Mieux vaut l'admettre que de faire de l'autopersuasion avec de faux arguments...
Des septiques ? Allez donc à l'arrivée des transatlantiques et comparez l'état de fraicheur physique et mental des équipages qui arrivent en mono et ceux qui arrivent en cata ;-)))
Cela dit, si vous pensez que c'est la difficulté et l'humidité qui fait le marin, vous pouvez aussi traverser à la rame...
Well, as we point out in the blog, it's a contentious issue and I think we were pretty balanced in our assessment. The issue of budget a valid one but more than JUST about affordability. The built quality of the 'lower end' charter type cats just aren't suited to prolonged, offshore / open ocean sailing. Many have bulkhead and bridge deck issues after hard crossings. For the same price you can buy a true bluewater monohull that is built for the rigours of open ocean sailing.
Also, monohulls just seem to work WITH the elements in a far more responsive, intuitive and organic way.. but maybe that's just because we're used to them ;)
Those were probably the deciding factor for us to choose a monohull. However, we're not against catamarans at all, and if someone offered us an affordable Privilege, Catana, Outremer, Antares.. or any other rugged, blue water cat, then we certainly wouldn't say no!
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