Definitely looking forward to seeing inside of the unit. Curious what's upgradable etc. If ram can be upgraded it may be easy to say yes to their base model.
Man this is like the perfect handheld! I already have the Deck but the only thing I feel like it's missing is a SIM card slot (and maybe a physical keyboard). If only Steam buys this design and implements its GUI on it.
@@awesghulam I mean I love it and play it daily but there’s definitely room for improvement. The screen bezels, for example, are a bit big for any handheld in this day and age.
This has me torn on whether or not to sell my Steam Deck for this instead. Been trying to get windows on Steam Deck via SD but its so slow and buggy. Haven't gotten a game to work off of it yet without having some goofy workaround and multiple restarts. I like this form factor. Makes me miss my Vita. So torn
@@coreymach_ well keep in mind next year we’ll probably have a better GPD Win get it then. Selling your Deck is gonna net you a big loss. That’s my plan at least.
Not a bad plan. If you're interested in the sd card slot and physical keyboard, i recommend the gpd win max. In my opinion, they're the only compact gaming pcs that has a usuable keyboard you can use with your hands.
Man, call me a boomer, but this is the most brutal thing for me I can imagine and in the future, I will probably jump for it. HW keyboard - 👍 behind sliding screen. This is my "mininotebook" I was dreaming about. And if I saw correctly, it can have a sim-kart aswell ? :D
I want a screen quality comparison between the Ayaneo 2 and the Win 4. According to GPD the color gamut on the Win 4 is 98%, while Ayaneo 2 is stating 135%. Funny thing is, GPD on their Indiegogo page was asked by someone what their color accuracy was, mentioning the Ayaneo 2's 135%, and they responded by saying that they think Ayaneo is lying about their color accuracy being that high. Kind of undiplomatic to respond with, and surprised me.
What's the point of a 1080p screen on a gaming-focused handheld device that will have to rely on battery for handheld usage? Then it doesn't run quite some modern games at 1080p well to justify the higher battery to drive more pixels compared to a 720p or a 900p screen. Feels like those other devices are going for higher resolutions screens for bragging rights alone at the expense of battery life, you said the Win 4 has a larger capacity battery compared to the Deck, but from your assessment on battery life it seems it is not enough to offset the 6800U that works best at higher wattage compared to the Deck's APU plus the display also being a bigger drain on the battery than the Deck's 800p
Chinese products are all about bragging rights, they more capitalists and consumerists than even the Americans. Mao and Lenin are rolling in their graves.
Which handheld should i choose? Ayaneo 2 or GPD Win 4. Have the Steam Deck but i want to sell it. Mostly the Screen on the Deck makes me wanna change. The touch and the colors are very bad.
Ah yes, the one review I been absolutely looking forward to. The GPD WIN 4 is hands down the smallest 6800U handheld with complete PC Functionality. And it’s by far the best handheld for anyone looking to do any high end portable emulation but find the steam deck to be too big.
I would love to see a direct performance comparison to the Win 3, if you could make that happen. Your vids have helped me get the most out of all my Win devices so far, thanks for all your in-depth content Phawx!
I'm glad you called out how most hand-held computers are native portrait. When I loaded Arch Linix on the GPD mini, the default layout is portrait. Fortunately, you can change it to landscape so things appear right-side-up.
You can't tell me that Slapping the Sliding Keyboard from a 2002 SideKick on to the body of 2005 PSP is honestly better or more ergonomic than anything developed in the almost 20 years since?? Also, what's with all of the Bots Commenting?
The prices are really good to especially with the power is packing especially the 16GB/512GB version that is priced affordably at $799 to compete with the Steam Deck but the best part is that all of the prices for the different versions they offered are final price and not special or early bird special prices.
It is really irritating navigating the prices for a lot of these handhelds, what with early bird prices being so prevalent. So I agree, it's nice seeing reasonable pricing from the off.
@@willford7717 And soon GPD Might not be the only ones selling a devise at a competitive price as in 2023 Ayn will be selling their Loki line of handhelds with their Loki Max selling for $775 and it will be using the same 6800U CPU processor like the GPD Win 4 and all of the other hire price PC handheld that have already come out this year.
how do you know it's the final pricing? on the indiegogo page it explicitly says the 800 USD version is 160 USD cheaper than the retail price. And the more expensive versions are 130 USD cheaper than retail price.
@@ricky865 That's almost "too little too late", the RDNA 3 handhelds will be out this year (2023) and those will clap all existing devices. Just another instance of a marked down piece of old tech to make way for new tech, it would be nice if they undercut the deck instead of just inching towards their top model.
im so done whit this company and there dont give a shit about customer support attitude just get a steam deck and yo have more fun fool me twice etc....
Would you be able to make a video on replacing the SSD for GPD Win 4 and installing fresh Windows? Pros and Cons of installing GPD's Windows package with baked in firmware vs fresh Windows plus driver installation? Thank you for the informative videos!
Hi I have done the replacement ssd. It was easy no complications, but it wouldn't boot the flash drive for Windows. Trial and error what worked for me is I created a bootable flash drive with rufus then followed the rest from the gpd site and it worked
@@iemsforbreakfast the thing is I already have a Win3 and I would like to see a head to head in order to see if it would he worth it to buy the Win4 as well
I am very torn. I just put money down for the Onexplayer 2 Indiegogo and then this pops up. Complete opposite sides of the spectrum as far as being different sizes. But I have a lot of fond memories of my psp and I just really want my to relive those days. What to do. . .what to do. . .
I would say 32g is really unnecessary at this point of time for most people, and there is not too much game needs more than 16g ram and in the future if all the game you need to play get to that point, you probably looking for an upgrade anyways
That's such a bummer about the joysticks though. I was excited about the Hall effect sticks already being installed. I don't think I would want to open up such an expensive device just to install them myself.
In the future if a game can't be run due to needing 32GB is probably not gonna run anyway due to the graphic abilities of the 6800U. So i think you are fine with 16GB.
There is, of course, a way to get back to Win 2 keyboard quality and beyond: Clamshell design; bring it back, GPD. I still hold Win 2 as my favourite handhel ever.
I'm tempted to sell my steamdeck and gaming pc and picking one of these up. I'm getting to the point were I just want a pocket able handheld device for everything
I love your video! I wondered, GPD WIN4 and AYANEO 2,which one will you recommend？I already have ayaneo 2 ，but i really don`t like the cooling performance。
Worried it would feel cramped in my hands, but the big issue for me are no hall sticks. If they drift, it's too complex for someone like me in Australia to fix. Big no no IMO.
As someone who mostly uses these portable devices on the bus, the smaller size is greatly appreciated! But the price is, unfortunately, too steep for me right now😢. Steam Deck it is until I find a similarly priced device in a smaller size. P.S. Valve please release a Steam Deck Mini!
Valve should do it and make it pocketable. They can keep the same specs to not give original SD owners FOMO, and they’d get to double dip like Nintendo with a different sized model.
Great review and the optimisation tips will really come in handy when I get the device. Your videos are always so informative. The moment I saw that design I knew I had to get the Win 4, and I'm glad that the previews for it are good. I'm curious what kind of power and performance use there is after the optimisation. The 15W vs. 25W figures are interesting, but if I play with optimisations, they're not that relevant. In theory it would also have been nice to see intermediate TDPs like 18W, but I figure that again, optimised settings performance is what matters.
You gotta hand it to GPD. They strive for the most compact, apealing, and portable form factor. $800 is definitley reasonable. You have similar laptops with lackluster specs that cost more; not to mention this thing is a very capable gaming machine. The icing on the cake is that while docked, it's a very capable desktop PC.
@Zeus Pantherha Not really. I baby my devices but the Win 2's keyboard failed not even 4 months in and the Win 3 just stopped turning on altogether since I didn't turn it on for four months, how dare I. I'm probably not going to buy another GPD device but it's interesting to see what they come out with.
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Yes it is, however I may also suggest that you simply buy the 64GB Steam Deck for $400 and then put a 1TB 2230 SSD that you can get for around $100 on Al iexp ress. You would get a considerably better value. However, if you intend to also use the GPD Win 4 as a desktop PC and need a small console, then I highly suggest you get the base model for $800. The Ryzen 7 6800U is generally 40% faster than the Steam Deck at 15W TDP, and at 15W it's also going to have a better battery life. Play the games at 720p and do not use Radeon Super Resolution. And the Ryzen 7 6800U is crazy fast because of its 8 much more powerful cores that can handle an eGPU well and which can run all the apps you need in desktop mode.
Just wanted to drop in again and say that your video are always fantastic. Thank you very much for the guide here on using Cyphbat to control the AMD 6800U. I have been using the Win Max 2 for a few months now and was using a different app to control TDP. After setting my Max 2 using your settings specified here, not only have my FPS improved, but I can clearly see the system is using power much more efficiently. Thank you!
Not a huge fan of how small the screen is, or how little groove there is in the rear for comfort grips. The steam deck is pretty comfortable compared to any of these other handhelds.
@@Jorr_G440 I have the win 3, onexplayer, and aya neo. The onexplayer is the only one with a griplike feature. The win 3 rubber grip case doesnt improve comfort much. The onexplayer is perfect to play on a table because of how high up the buttons are and the kickstand on the rear. You would likely agree if you owned any of them.
Now if only their mapping software for the back extra "triggers" let you *map a HOLD button instead of just 1 button repeating.* OR If they made the triggers show up in literally any remapping program such as reWASD or XPadder...
I had a Win 2 whose keys on the keyboard kept falling off. These keys feel a lot more sturdy than the ones on the two. I had to buy extra keys to replace the ones that fell off.😂
It's awesome and very impressive, ...BUT $800 + in this current Bidenflation makes it a toy for a very VERY small group . I'll be playing my Switch Lite and 13 year old PS Vita for now .
@@Zeptrio The bigger screen with no bezels on the Neo 2 is so nice. Probably don't need the physical keyboard since the virtual keyboard works fine in Windows tablet mode.
Yes it's difficult choice between aya or win4. If the money it's no problem for you aya it's maybe better choise: screen is really impressive and 10% powerful at the same tdp. After gpd have trackpad and keyboard and better design. For me I prefer win4 because I like play in bed. For sofa aya it's best 😁
This was a great and thorough preview of the device. I had placed an order through their indigogo campaign and cant wait to get it. I hope in your follow up video you talk about how loud that fan gets in order to manage the heat at those high tdps.
Personally I wouldn't mind one without a keyboard and a bigger battery or thinner. I barely used the one screen keyboard as it is on my Steam Deck and the windows 10/11 on screen keyboard is way more intuitive.
this is such a cool concept with so much potential. remove the keyboard and add a 720p 60fps display, and add a 10,000 mah battery like the ayaneo air pro and it would be perfect. id happily pay 750 for that, extra for hall effect joysticks. how close we are to a perfect handheld baffles me but these companies keep adding useless trash like keyboards and displays above 720p 60
I am. It is a full-fledged PC after all running Windows 11 (I'm upgrading to pro) I ordered the 1TB/32GB model so I can use this as my main PC. Hook it up to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and you're GTG
26:00 I can find something to complain: No FN Numpad. Max 2 has an FN Numpad, no reason why then Win 4 couldn't have it. 27:25 I agree that it;s great to have customisation, but I disagree about the default layout being "not great". It is by far, the best layout out of all the handhelds. Things like page up, page down, etc, help with browser and text box navigation. They can also still be bound in games without controller support.
The benefit of more ram is that it can be used for disk cache, prolonging the lifetime of the SSD and slightly improving the performance (reducing dips)
Reads don't hurt flash. Writes do. Write caching on a battery powered portable device like this would be a recipe for data corruption. Could help with read caching on large game files though. As long as you don't let the battery get low and have to shut down.
@@tin2001 Yeah, no, unless you're going with knock-off brands from China, SSDs don't just go caput. I still have my SSD from... 2015 256gb with the OEM windows install that I keep putting into different machines.
@@watchmejumpstart69 I have the GPD WIN 2, and one of the reasons I opted for the Ayaneo 2 was because people said they have pretty good customer service. I definitely get the quality control concerns here. These videos always tempt me though 😅
@@watchmejumpstart69 it sucks about the GPD stuff. I really want to like them. That being said, it makes me more confident in my switch to Aya. This will be my first product from them and I'm pretty pumped 😁!
Maybe this is better for discord, but you seem to be a person to ask. I have a win4 on the way, and I love cheap microSD storage-this thing's got room for 1. My outgoing laptop has tiny tf adapters shoved into every exposed usb-a. What's the best way to get more tf slots onto a win4? It'd be great if I could just stick something to the back with 2-4 tf slots and a low profile usbc ribbon cable--I don't think that exists 🤣. Currently, best attempt is that I have two designs of small usb c to 4x usba hubs coming to try out. idea being to shove tiny microSD adapters into them, but maybe there's a better idea(?). (yes, am a data-hoarder...)
How do you actually set up the 6800U to run at 45W? I mean you mention that the fan will handle it, but we never actually see benchmarks at 45W and how it is achieved, given that the 6800U is rated 15-28W and the 35/45W would be the 6800 H/HS. I specifically ask because there are several “comparison” videos coming out by idiots, who take your video for granted and they claim that the GPD Win 4 is the fastest of the 6800U handheld, because it runs at 45W. I think that's such a stupid point to make because all 6800U units will run the same if set up the same and within the operating temperature (e.g. with a sufficient cooling solution)
Have you seen the Win 3, it looks fantastic! However, it is (still) just a prototype, I'm excited to see their retail version that doesn't require a crowdfunding campaign for a more robust and comprehensive warranty and customer support network. Apparently, the Win 4 isn't that.
Is it true? Gpd have higher faulty units than other companies? I mean deck too have % of faulty ones.
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@@Groboman my GPd win 3 came doa in may 2021 (indiegogo backer), It wouldnt turn on. Opened the device to see what problem and It was the on/off ribbon cable. Talked with them for months , wanted me to send It with no date of returning It to me. I obviously said no, i could just install the ribbon cable they should send me. Then came the excuses for the piece, they did not have It for months. Finally, after sending kendyzhu daily mails, and tweeting my problem on their ads for GPd win pocket (and getting blocked by them on Twitter), they send me on november 2021 the piece. It arrived on January of this year. Installed It and could use my win 3. On top of It all, i receives the wrong wi fi chip (they advertised wifi 6, mine came with the old Intel wifi chip). And now my battery Life is at 25% after a year and a half of arriving in may 21.
@ wow that's pretty bad news indeed.Its understandable,that reviewers getting super polished devices...but other customers seems need hope, that their units,gonna be good.Yeah that's really sucks. Can you get a new battery for your device?
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@@Groboman i Will use It until It dies for good. I dont think i Will be buying a new battery. I dont trust GPd anymore and dont want to spend more money in any of their products.
@ really sad when something like this happens, especially with such expensive devices. I mean my vita and 3ds are about 10years old,but still working great,how long those pc-portables gonna work...that's a question too. Hope you won't gonna have any more issues with your device.
Sony fans: we want a new Playstation portable console
Sony: No
GPD: Fine, I'll do it myself
I love the size!
Definitely looking forward to seeing inside of the unit. Curious what's upgradable etc. If ram can be upgraded it may be easy to say yes to their base model.
GPD, PLEASE MAKE a slim version without the keyboard!! (: 3 (: 3
and perhaps move dpad to top? not sure
Man this is like the perfect handheld! I already have the Deck but the only thing I feel like it's missing is a SIM card slot (and maybe a physical keyboard). If only Steam buys this design and implements its GUI on it.
Nah I love the Deck the way it is
@@awesghulam I mean I love it and play it daily but there’s definitely room for improvement. The screen bezels, for example, are a bit big for any handheld in this day and age.
This has me torn on whether or not to sell my Steam Deck for this instead. Been trying to get windows on Steam Deck via SD but its so slow and buggy. Haven't gotten a game to work off of it yet without having some goofy workaround and multiple restarts. I like this form factor. Makes me miss my Vita. So torn
@@coreymach_ well keep in mind next year we’ll probably have a better GPD Win get it then. Selling your Deck is gonna net you a big loss. That’s my plan at least.
Not a bad plan. If you're interested in the sd card slot and physical keyboard, i recommend the gpd win max. In my opinion, they're the only compact gaming pcs that has a usuable keyboard you can use with your hands.
Man, call me a boomer, but this is the most brutal thing for me I can imagine and in the future, I will probably jump for it.
HW keyboard - 👍 behind sliding screen. This is my "mininotebook" I was dreaming about. And if I saw correctly, it can have a sim-kart aswell ? :D
I want a screen quality comparison between the Ayaneo 2 and the Win 4. According to GPD the color gamut on the Win 4 is 98%, while Ayaneo 2 is stating 135%. Funny thing is, GPD on their Indiegogo page was asked by someone what their color accuracy was, mentioning the Ayaneo 2's 135%, and they responded by saying that they think Ayaneo is lying about their color accuracy being that high. Kind of undiplomatic to respond with, and surprised me.
Companies throwing shade at eachother is normal in the tech space.
I remember watching the The Phawx, back when his channel was all about the GPD Win 1, we've come so far!
I was 7 years old wow
I remember The Phawx from the gp2x days, back in 2005!
@@studioviper3016 i miss my gp2x, gpd makes me thing about gp lol
He was always a shill who got paid to promote the gpgarbage and always will be
@Danny D pressing x for doubt. I have the gpd win 3 and it's been great for me
I never thought I'd see the day of a PSP with equivalent power to a PS4. That blows my mind
Probably considerably more power especially in the CPU department
Well its actually ps5 not ps4 if you look at the raw computing power.
What's the point of a 1080p screen on a gaming-focused handheld device that will have to rely on battery for handheld usage? Then it doesn't run quite some modern games at 1080p well to justify the higher battery to drive more pixels compared to a 720p or a 900p screen. Feels like those other devices are going for higher resolutions screens for bragging rights alone at the expense of battery life, you said the Win 4 has a larger capacity battery compared to the Deck, but from your assessment on battery life it seems it is not enough to offset the 6800U that works best at higher wattage compared to the Deck's APU plus the display also being a bigger drain on the battery than the Deck's 800p
Chinese products are all about bragging rights, they more capitalists and consumerists than even the Americans. Mao and Lenin are rolling in their graves.
Now that I have the retail device, this review was misleading. It can only go up to 32W TDP stock and 75Hz will result in serious frame skipping.
Which handheld should i choose? Ayaneo 2 or GPD Win 4. Have the Steam Deck but i want to sell it. Mostly the Screen on the Deck makes me wanna change. The touch and the colors are very bad.
Ah yes, the one review I been absolutely looking forward to. The GPD WIN 4 is hands down the smallest 6800U handheld with complete PC Functionality. And it’s by far the best handheld for anyone looking to do any high end portable emulation but find the steam deck to be too big.
Nah
@@dannyd4339why?
@@dannyd4339 Clown
@@ZackSNetwork yes you are
@@megamanx1291 because it's not?
In my opinion of all the 6800u devices the GPD win 4 and ayaneo 2 are by far the best devices. I'd love to see a video comparing the 2 devices.
win4 should vs Ayaneo slide, not ayaneo 2
Você acha bom o (aok zoe A1) ??
Qual melhor portátil na sua opinião hoje ??
i have 2 6800U aokzoe a1 and gpd win 4 the win 4 is a bit faster will get the 7840U gpd win 4 soon
I would love to see a direct performance comparison to the Win 3, if you could make that happen. Your vids have helped me get the most out of all my Win devices so far, thanks for all your in-depth content Phawx!
I'm glad you called out how most hand-held computers are native portrait. When I loaded Arch Linix on the GPD mini, the default layout is portrait. Fortunately, you can change it to landscape so things appear right-side-up.
Really tempted to grab this
Wait for next gen. It's going to be a bigger jump
@@Dracossaint yea that's what's making me from pulling the trigger
@@Dracossaint The rate at which handhelds are getting good is crazy
The next one is definitely going to be insane
@@Dracossaint there’s always a next one to wait on. when that one comes out people will tell you to wait for the next and so on.
You can't tell me that Slapping the Sliding Keyboard from a 2002 SideKick on to the body of 2005 PSP is honestly better or more ergonomic than anything developed in the almost 20 years since??
Also, what's with all of the Bots Commenting?
Yep, bots, valve bots everywhere. 😐
The prices are really good to especially with the power is packing especially the 16GB/512GB version that is priced affordably at $799 to compete with the Steam Deck but the best part is that all of the prices for the different versions they offered are final price and not special or early bird special prices.
It is really irritating navigating the prices for a lot of these handhelds, what with early bird prices being so prevalent. So I agree, it's nice seeing reasonable pricing from the off.
@@willford7717
And soon GPD Might not be the only ones selling a devise at a competitive price as in 2023 Ayn will be selling their Loki line of handhelds with their Loki Max selling for $775 and it will be using the same 6800U CPU processor like the GPD Win 4 and all of the other hire price PC handheld that have already come out this year.
how do you know it's the final pricing? on the indiegogo page it explicitly says the 800 USD version is 160 USD cheaper than the retail price. And the more expensive versions are 130 USD cheaper than retail price.
@@ricky865 That's almost "too little too late", the RDNA 3 handhelds will be out this year (2023) and those will clap all existing devices. Just another instance of a marked down piece of old tech to make way for new tech, it would be nice if they undercut the deck instead of just inching towards their top model.
Where can i get it for 799???
im so done whit this company and there dont give a shit about customer support attitude just get a steam deck and yo have more fun fool me twice etc....
Would you be able to make a video on replacing the SSD for GPD Win 4 and installing fresh Windows? Pros and Cons of installing GPD's Windows package with baked in firmware vs fresh Windows plus driver installation? Thank you for the informative videos!
I'd love to know this also
Hi I have done the replacement ssd. It was easy no complications, but it wouldn't boot the flash drive for Windows. Trial and error what worked for me is I created a bootable flash drive with rufus then followed the rest from the gpd site and it worked
How can this device manage 45w easily but all the other gpd handhelds can‘t (including all the other massive 6800u handhelds on the market)
It's truly remarkable. It's also insane on total power, it's like 25~ mins of battery life
I think a direct head to head with the Win 3 would be very interesting to see, any chance you can do that Phawx?
@@iemsforbreakfast the thing is I already have a Win3 and I would like to see a head to head in order to see if it would he worth it to buy the Win4 as well
Can't wait for the win 5 to come out next month and Phawx calling this bad
Just came out
I am very torn. I just put money down for the Onexplayer 2 Indiegogo and then this pops up. Complete opposite sides of the spectrum as far as being different sizes. But I have a lot of fond memories of my psp and I just really want my to relive those days. What to do. . .what to do. . .
Buy an AyaNeo 2
I would say 32g is really unnecessary at this point of time for most people, and there is not too much game needs more than 16g ram and in the future if all the game you need to play get to that point, you probably looking for an upgrade anyways
Man, I feel like this handheld is MADE for me. Thank you for the fantastic review Phawx!
You gonna do a review of it? I watched your older reviews and it would be cool to see your thoughts on it
@@Chesemiser I can't afford it sorry.. 😔
@@hmr0 Don't worry neither can I so I get it so oh well
@@hmr0 you have a great channel by the way. GPD should send you a review unit!
@@hmr0 99% of us handheld enjoyers can't afford this either lol. We're all in the same boat
That's such a bummer about the joysticks though. I was excited about the Hall effect sticks already being installed. I don't think I would want to open up such an expensive device just to install them myself.
If is that what youre afraid of you dont have to. I recently opened my steamdeck and it was no more issue than following a few websites or videos
It's super easy
In the future if a game can't be run due to needing 32GB is probably not gonna run anyway due to the graphic abilities of the 6800U. So i think you are fine with 16GB.
GPD is NOT doing Hall joystick anymore :( 30:42
There is, of course, a way to get back to Win 2 keyboard
quality and beyond: Clamshell design; bring it back, GPD.
I still hold Win 2 as my favourite handhel ever.
Nope don't want that at all
It is super nice looking. Just kinda wish it was not as expensive
Quality costs.
The reason that the d-pad is so good because it's using the same d-pad from the Vita
The Vita walked so the GPD 4 could run
I have the win 3. I didn’t care about this until I saw some of “minor” improvements….I want one now 😢
Hey bro, I'm here from ETA Prime's channel. Subscribed and liked!
I'm tempted to sell my steamdeck and gaming pc and picking one of these up. I'm getting to the point were I just want a pocket able handheld device for everything
Did you do it?
I really love the size form factor of this and the power of his insane of all the 6800u handhelds this is most likely the one that I'm going to buy
I love your video! I wondered, GPD WIN4 and AYANEO 2,which one will you recommend？I already have ayaneo 2 ，but i really don`t like the cooling performance。
I really want that optical finger navigation module on a split keyboard
Worried it would feel cramped in my hands, but the big issue for me are no hall sticks. If they drift, it's too complex for someone like me in Australia to fix. Big no no IMO.
1100$ so steam duck ez win.....
As someone who mostly uses these portable devices on the bus, the smaller size is greatly appreciated! But the price is, unfortunately, too steep for me right now😢. Steam Deck it is until I find a similarly priced device in a smaller size.
P.S. Valve please release a Steam Deck Mini!
Valve should do it and make it pocketable. They can keep the same specs to not give original SD owners FOMO, and they’d get to double dip like Nintendo with a different sized model.
Great review and the optimisation tips will really come in handy when I get the device. Your videos are always so informative. The moment I saw that design I knew I had to get the Win 4, and I'm glad that the previews for it are good. I'm curious what kind of power and performance use there is after the optimisation. The 15W vs. 25W figures are interesting, but if I play with optimisations, they're not that relevant. In theory it would also have been nice to see intermediate TDPs like 18W, but I figure that again, optimised settings performance is what matters.
You gotta hand it to GPD. They strive for the most compact, apealing, and portable form factor. $800 is definitley reasonable. You have similar laptops with lackluster specs that cost more; not to mention this thing is a very capable gaming machine. The icing on the cake is that while docked, it's a very capable desktop PC.
ever owned a gpd device? not built to be used
Do you have a bad experience with your GPD device?
@Zeus Pantherha Not really. I baby my devices but the Win 2's keyboard failed not even 4 months in and the Win 3 just stopped turning on altogether since I didn't turn it on for four months, how dare I. I'm probably not going to buy another GPD device but it's interesting to see what they come out with.
@@Bidwellz9 I've owned gpd devices, but none have failed on me fortunately
@@huge_balls with the GPD win 2, I was afraid of the hinge cracking
I love my GPD win 4 better than my Steam deck it’s so beautiful in person
Would rather have just the screen, shell, and keyboard then transplant a Switch OLED into it.
looks cool, but 6" screen is a deal breaker
Very nice device but it looks like a bootleg psp.
Why "but"?
@@Nickbaldeagle02 That's a downside to look like a cheap copy.
Imagine this with a OLED and hall effect sticks, literal perfection
Too expensive
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I want one w out the slide up screen/keyboard
I'd like this to be my main PC to have fun plus to connect to a monitor and keyboard
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Is the GPD WIN 4 worth the price increase over the steam deck? I love this small form factor but still undecided
Yes it is, however I may also suggest that you simply buy the 64GB Steam Deck for $400 and then put a 1TB 2230 SSD that you can get for around $100 on Al iexp ress. You would get a considerably better value. However, if you intend to also use the GPD Win 4 as a desktop PC and need a small console, then I highly suggest you get the base model for $800. The Ryzen 7 6800U is generally 40% faster than the Steam Deck at 15W TDP, and at 15W it's also going to have a better battery life. Play the games at 720p and do not use Radeon Super Resolution. And the Ryzen 7 6800U is crazy fast because of its 8 much more powerful cores that can handle an eGPU well and which can run all the apps you need in desktop mode.
Just wanted to drop in again and say that your video are always fantastic. Thank you very much for the guide here on using Cyphbat to control the AMD 6800U. I have been using the Win Max 2 for a few months now and was using a different app to control TDP. After setting my Max 2 using your settings specified here, not only have my FPS improved, but I can clearly see the system is using power much more efficiently. Thank you!
He talks about 45 tdp but never shows any benchmarks...
Not a huge fan of how small the screen is, or how little groove there is in the rear for comfort grips. The steam deck is pretty comfortable compared to any of these other handhelds.
@@Jorr_G440 I have the win 3, onexplayer, and aya neo. The onexplayer is the only one with a griplike feature. The win 3 rubber grip case doesnt improve comfort much. The onexplayer is perfect to play on a table because of how high up the buttons are and the kickstand on the rear. You would likely agree if you owned any of them.
how is suspend-resume (not hibernate) on the Win 4? is it stable and usable?
If it's stable, then this is the Steam Deck killer for me.
Can you play the Sims 4 on this like the steam deck?
Now if only their mapping software for the back extra "triggers" let you *map a HOLD button instead of just 1 button repeating.* OR If they made the triggers show up in literally any remapping program such as reWASD or XPadder...
I had a Win 2 whose keys on the keyboard kept falling off. These keys feel a lot more sturdy than the ones on the two. I had to buy extra keys to replace the ones that fell off.😂
It's awesome and very impressive,
...BUT $800 + in this current Bidenflation makes it a toy for a very VERY small group .
I'll be playing my Switch Lite and 13 year old PS Vita for now .
Aya neo 2 or GDP 4 which one plz shine some light on me for Christmas 🎉
This or the Aya Neo 2? I'm leaning toward the Aya, but is it the right decision 😓
I'd personnally prefer the win4 over the aya neo 2 but i guess it all depends on what you want from it.
@@Zeptrio The bigger screen with no bezels on the Neo 2 is so nice. Probably don't need the physical keyboard since the virtual keyboard works fine in Windows tablet mode.
Yes it's difficult choice between aya or win4. If the money it's no problem for you aya it's maybe better choise: screen is really impressive and 10% powerful at the same tdp. After gpd have trackpad and keyboard and better design. For me I prefer win4 because I like play in bed. For sofa aya it's best 😁
@@tomaspavka2014 You might be right! 😁
How do you get 6800u to 45w tdp and can other 6800u handhelds achieve this?
The GPD 4 is the only one with a 45wh battery. The Steam Deck in comparison has a 40wh battery.
Damn, handhelds have come really far really fast.
This was a great and thorough preview of the device. I had placed an order through their indigogo campaign and cant wait to get it. I hope in your follow up video you talk about how loud that fan gets in order to manage the heat at those high tdps.
...and I thought the Win3 was cool.
I assume the optimization guide you did here can be used on the Win Max 2, right? It's the same hardware.
Great review! I just wish there was an option for Windows 10 Pro.
I'm pretty sure in about 10 years' time, handheld RTX consoles would become a thing
Very true technology is insane and will only get better.
I have a GPD win 3 and would love if you could do a comparison to see if its worth the upgrade.
😯😯👍👍
The thumbsticks don't look good for fps games
This thing looks absolutely amazing. I would buy it if it wasn't so pricy and I wasn't currently jobless lol
Personally I wouldn't mind one without a keyboard and a bigger battery or thinner. I barely used the one screen keyboard as it is on my Steam Deck and the windows 10/11 on screen keyboard is way more intuitive.
This is the best review of the GPD WIN 4 by far. You convinced me to grab one... now hopefully I cansel l my Steam Deck at a reasonable price...
Can u try 45W performance test compared to 15W and 28W ? Thank you
Vita means life...
Grazie non ci sarei arrivato
this is such a cool concept with so much potential. remove the keyboard and add a 720p 60fps display, and add a 10,000 mah battery like the ayaneo air pro and it would be perfect. id happily pay 750 for that, extra for hall effect joysticks. how close we are to a perfect handheld baffles me but these companies keep adding useless trash like keyboards and displays above 720p 60
Hmm could I buy it and write it off as a business expense
I am. It is a full-fledged PC after all running Windows 11 (I'm upgrading to pro)
I ordered the 1TB/32GB model so I can use this as my main PC.
Hook it up to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and you're GTG
I'm expecting one more varient of win4 without qwerty keyboard.. which will make it less thicker than light weight and also little more affordable
You will be expecting for a long time.
Hopefully
26:00 I can find something to complain: No FN Numpad. Max 2 has an FN Numpad, no reason why then Win 4 couldn't have it.
27:25 I agree that it;s great to have customisation, but I disagree about the default layout being "not great". It is by far, the best layout out of all the handhelds. Things like page up, page down, etc, help with browser and text box navigation. They can also still be bound in games without controller support.
The benefit of more ram is that it can be used for disk cache, prolonging the lifetime of the SSD and slightly improving the performance (reducing dips)
Never had an ssd die on me
Reads don't hurt flash. Writes do.
Write caching on a battery powered portable device like this would be a recipe for data corruption.
Could help with read caching on large game files though. As long as you don't let the battery get low and have to shut down.
@@tin2001 Yeah, no, unless you're going with knock-off brands from China, SSDs don't just go caput. I still have my SSD from... 2015 256gb with the OEM windows install that I keep putting into different machines.
I really wish they had come out with these review units earlier. It maybe could have given the Ayaneo 2 some competition for my wallet.
@@watchmejumpstart69 I have the GPD WIN 2, and one of the reasons I opted for the Ayaneo 2 was because people said they have pretty good customer service. I definitely get the quality control concerns here. These videos always tempt me though 😅
@@watchmejumpstart69 it sucks about the GPD stuff. I really want to like them. That being said, it makes me more confident in my switch to Aya. This will be my first product from them and I'm pretty pumped 😁!
Aya neo 2 it's fantastic. But to expensive for me. I prefer upgrade my win 3 for win 4. And after save money for aya neo " phoenix point " 3 😍
I picked up a an i7 Win 3 with a 2tb SSD a couple days ago and it is ridiculous, I'm potentially wanting to buy the top spec win 4 now
can you set it to 75hz?
Thank you! What battery pack would you recommend to recharge on the go?
I think the keyboard is unnecesary, just use the on screen keyboar for typing. Since it looks hard to use, and make the device thick
This may sound weird, but please can you try and see how usable the trackpad is for FPS games, compared to Steam Deck's large trackpads?
I was waiting for the phawx to make my decision. He did not disappoint I'm about to be a gpd win 4 owner
Maybe this is better for discord, but you seem to be a person to ask. I have a win4 on the way, and I love cheap microSD storage-this thing's got room for 1. My outgoing laptop has tiny tf adapters shoved into every exposed usb-a. What's the best way to get more tf slots onto a win4? It'd be great if I could just stick something to the back with 2-4 tf slots and a low profile usbc ribbon cable--I don't think that exists 🤣.
Currently, best attempt is that I have two designs of small usb c to 4x usba hubs coming to try out. idea being to shove tiny microSD adapters into them, but maybe there's a better idea(?). (yes, am a data-hoarder...)
What kills this for me is the analog stick layout, having the right stick lower with my big hands would be painful over time.
everything points me to buy it as a previous owner of 3 psps and still a vita and its around 800 bucks
Try disabling SMT at 15w and it should do better than the steanmdeck
40 fps is the way to go on these handhelds
How do you actually set up the 6800U to run at 45W? I mean you mention that the fan will handle it, but we never actually see benchmarks at 45W and how it is achieved, given that the 6800U is rated 15-28W and the 35/45W would be the 6800 H/HS. I specifically ask because there are several “comparison” videos coming out by idiots, who take your video for granted and they claim that the GPD Win 4 is the fastest of the 6800U handheld, because it runs at 45W. I think that's such a stupid point to make because all 6800U units will run the same if set up the same and within the operating temperature (e.g. with a sufficient cooling solution)
I got wm2 so I wasn't really interested in a win 4, but now that phawx puts it like this... i kind of want one now
This device is amazing, and it's apparently just a prototype judging from the IndieGogo page. I can't wait to see the final product! Very tempting :P
Have you seen the Win 3, it looks fantastic! However, it is (still) just a prototype, I'm excited to see their retail version that doesn't require a crowdfunding campaign for a more robust and comprehensive warranty and customer support network. Apparently, the Win 4 isn't that.
This is the final product. They said the same thing with Win 3
Cant wait to see what new problems GPd Will ship their units with. Something that no youtuber with lot of fans talked about
Is it true? Gpd have higher faulty units than other companies? I mean deck too have % of faulty ones.
@@Groboman my GPd win 3 came doa in may 2021 (indiegogo backer), It wouldnt turn on. Opened the device to see what problem and It was the on/off ribbon cable. Talked with them for months , wanted me to send It with no date of returning It to me.
I obviously said no, i could just install the ribbon cable they should send me. Then came the excuses for the piece, they did not have It for months.
Finally, after sending kendyzhu daily mails, and tweeting my problem on their ads for GPd win pocket (and getting blocked by them on Twitter), they send me on november 2021 the piece. It arrived on January of this year. Installed It and could use my win 3.
On top of It all, i receives the wrong wi fi chip (they advertised wifi 6, mine came with the old Intel wifi chip). And now my battery Life is at 25% after a year and a half of arriving in may 21.
@ wow that's pretty bad news indeed.Its understandable,that reviewers getting super polished devices...but other customers seems need hope, that their units,gonna be good.Yeah that's really sucks.
Can you get a new battery for your device?
@@Groboman i Will use It until It dies for good. I dont think i Will be buying a new battery. I dont trust GPd anymore and dont want to spend more money in any of their products.
@ really sad when something like this happens, especially with such expensive devices.
I mean my vita and 3ds are about 10years old,but still working great,how long those pc-portables gonna work...that's a question too.
Hope you won't gonna have any more issues with your device.
Gpd win 4 versus gpd win max 2 which should I get?