Flux and the divergence theorem | MIT 18.02SC Multivariable Calculus, Fall 2010

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  • Flux and the divergence theorem
    Instructor: Joel Lewis
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  • @sitges39
    @sitges39 13 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I teach mathematics and I've learnt so much from the his lessons. This professor is great. Thank you so much.

  • @ItachiUchiha-ff5yb
    @ItachiUchiha-ff5yb 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I dont know what i enjoy more, him working the problem or listening to him while he is solving. Reminds me of a contestant from BGT Graham Blackledge.

  • @soccergalsara
    @soccergalsara 10 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    love the way he walks out when we are told to pause the vid xD 1:38

  • @Ammaray
    @Ammaray 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video, I can see why they hired him at MIT: clear, concise explanation, nice and slow, so people have enough time to digest the info. I really like my instructor, but when he explained the divergence theorem, I was lost. Joel Lewis makes it super easy. Thanks!!

  • @dustinallen4142
    @dustinallen4142 8 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    I don't even understand what I don't understand

    • @piglink10
      @piglink10 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Just Me 5:11 how did he end up with just 2z?

    • @arufuredo
      @arufuredo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@piglink10 Let me try to explain this. He calculated the divergence of F, which implies the sum of the derivatives of each component like: F(x,y,z) = (a, b, c) -> div F = da/dx + db/dy + dc/dz. So, in his example, he choose wisely the F field so when you calculate its divergence, the first two terms cancel out, leaving the third them which is 2z.

    • @nonya1119
      @nonya1119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@arufuredo what does "choosing the F field mean" and why does this cancel out the x and y components?

    • @arufuredo
      @arufuredo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nonya1119 By the F field this guy chose, you can see that the first and second term are kinda similar. The derivative of the the first term respect to x and the derivative of the second term respect to y are equal. Hence, when you calculate the divergence of F, they cancel out, leaving just the derivative of the third term respect to z.
      What I mean with "choose the F field" was that to OP selected this specifical vectorial field so that the example was easy to solve! :D

    • @nathanielkilmer5022
      @nathanielkilmer5022 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@piglink10 because 4x^3y-4x^3y = 0. The divergence is a dot product, so the vector components reduce to a summation.

  • @mlst3rg
    @mlst3rg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    a slicker way to do this is to just integrate over z right after using div theorem.. the remaining double integral will just be the area of the circle

  • @phoenixofhyrule7342
    @phoenixofhyrule7342 ปีที่แล้ว

    11 years later and this video is still really helpful , thanks so much for the useful content you provided to us💙

  • @skyev117
    @skyev117 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very well done Joel! This video was extremely helpful and straight forward. Thanks!

  • @charleschaffin4294
    @charleschaffin4294 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are 2 notations for vector fields. Yes there's the i,j,and k. But you can use function notation F=(Fx,Fy,Fz), which Fx,Fy, and Fz would be the same as being coefficients to a unit vector (i, j, or k). (:

  • @bobkameron
    @bobkameron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    fantastic video joel you're the man! I've learned a lot taking this course.

  • @naren2412
    @naren2412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The triple integral just simplifies to 2 times the average value of z in the region (ie h/2) multiplied with the volume of the cylinder .

  • @DanielSantoAngel
    @DanielSantoAngel 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The triple integral of 2z, can be easily computed noticing that 1/Volume * Triple_Integral(z dV) = h/2. This is true because the z component of the center of mass is h/2

  • @rthelionheart
    @rthelionheart 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just by inspection, that exercise begs to be solved using the divergence theorem along with cylindrical coordinates.

  • @Archmage5023
    @Archmage5023 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is brilliant. If my grandma saw this video, she would know the divergence theorem for sure.

  • @PureInsanity
    @PureInsanity 10 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    He reminds me of Gale from Breaking Bad

    • @ksufaninkc
      @ksufaninkc 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha, I thought the exact same thing while watching this.

    • @adip8
      @adip8 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ruven Pinkhasov Please don't disrespect this guy.

    • @lewisbenjamin1832
      @lewisbenjamin1832 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      DONT DISRESPECT GALE, RIP

  • @eblocha
    @eblocha 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I learned it as d-sigma instead of dS on the surface integral. I'm guessing there is no difference? Just |ru x rv| du dv right? where r(u,v) is the surface parameterization and ru, rv are the partial derivatives

  • @joebrinson5040
    @joebrinson5040 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why isn't the anti derivative of the inner integral = 1/2 x^2 ?

  • @Ensign_Cthulhu
    @Ensign_Cthulhu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am assuming that if the x and y terms had survived the calculation of div F, you would simply have converted them to their cylindrical equivalents?

  • @BenJaminLongTime
    @BenJaminLongTime 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wish my university had such clear and simple explanations. Thank you sir and MIT for helping me to understand where my University fails to. I was starting to think maybe my math skills were just capping out with this last bit of calc3 stuff but nope my teachers are just terrible lols :(

    • @koyokoyo78
      @koyokoyo78 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Ben P. Same. Still struggling to figure out which bounds to use on triple integrals.

  • @perfunctorypersival
    @perfunctorypersival 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good demo of the divergence theorem simplifying the problem, but this problem is trivial without the div thm if you look at the symmetries (and anti-symmetries) of the X and Y components of the field w.r.t. those of the cylinder. As someone already mentioned, possibly pedagogical purposes for the set-up, but it might be useful for students to recognize when symmetry can simplify a problem even more than applying the div thm (or when it can simplify the math after applying the div thm).

  • @FulminantLogician
    @FulminantLogician 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You use the determinant of the Jacobian matrix to transform the dV into its cylindrical equivalence. Remember: dV=dxdydz

  • @FulminantLogician
    @FulminantLogician 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm pretty sure most people can solve this particular problem mentally, it was chosen for its simplicity so that when people who need concept help come to it, they can focus on the calculus rather than the arithmetic.

  • @raynoldcsya8317
    @raynoldcsya8317 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol, you dont have to evaluate the triple integral. You will notice that it is 2 * centroid Z * volume of cylinder. = 2 * h/2 * pi R^2 h = pi R^2 h^2

  • @Trotskisty
    @Trotskisty 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who knew triple integrals could be such fun.

  • @pancakekiller91
    @pancakekiller91 8 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I will die peacefully one day knowing that I never will be able to figure whatever that is he is talking about.

  • @ravisuthar7304
    @ravisuthar7304 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What should i take unit normal vector

  • @sschw006
    @sschw006 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to see videos on how to find the normals to surfaces and how to use the projection technique for projecting in different planes with varying objects like the sphere etc. Can you project the whole sphere for example into a plane. How to find the bounds that may be a bit complicated. thanks

  • @saileelareddy4111
    @saileelareddy4111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Y u take div f= 2z???

    • @maniys
      @maniys 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah it paralyzed one side of understanding.
      I guess if 'div F' consist of x, y components other than z component, AND if we are going to use cylindrical CDT system, then we have to convert the x, y components into cylindrical cdt form first before doing the integral to get the flux :|. am I correct?

    • @maniys
      @maniys 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/swrh0xjRXmc/w-d-xo.html
      you may find this helpful

  • @1995a1995z
    @1995a1995z 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    you make math easy, somehow

    • @Bludgeoned2DEATH2
      @Bludgeoned2DEATH2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because this is easy shit lol, test questions are going to be so much harder and don't simply nearly as easy as this lol

    • @adip8
      @adip8 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      1995a1995z this is just trivial computational engineering type crap

  • @ericsu4667
    @ericsu4667 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The divergence theorem requires a differentiable vector field but electric field from Coulomb's law diverges at the origin.
    Consequently, Gauss's flux theorem is not applicable to the divergence of the electric field.
    sites.google.com/view/physics-news/home/updates

  • @MatrixOfDynamism
    @MatrixOfDynamism 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if we have to do an integral of this type when the cylinder is not at the origin. What would be the limits for the radius R.

  • @d-kz
    @d-kz 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am comparing this to my Calc 3 school teacher, who explains the same concept and I am thinking "that's why MIT is the best".

  • @asesoriasneza2675
    @asesoriasneza2675 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me encantó la forma en que explicas todod

  • @maniys
    @maniys 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess if 'div F' consist of x, y components other than z component, AND if we are going to use cylindrical CDT system, then we have to convert the x, y components into cylindrical cdt form first before doing the integral to get the flux :|. am I correct?

    • @maniys
      @maniys 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/swrh0xjRXmc/w-d-xo.html

  • @matthewigbinehi1610
    @matthewigbinehi1610 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a lot for, it really helped me. I also have a question to clarify something, lets say we decide to solve this same problem without using the divergence theorem..What would the parameterization look like...I need this answer to figure out something.....Thanks in Advanced

  • @CausedDeath
    @CausedDeath 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    (x,y,z) = xi + yj + zk
    The brackets should be >< but TH-cam doesn't allow them.

  • @celiagonzalez7399
    @celiagonzalez7399 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When deciding what to use for dV in the triple integral with cylindrical coordinates, will you always tack on a multiplier of r to the dxdrdθ?

    • @BeefBronson
      @BeefBronson 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Celia Gonzalez yes because r is the jacobian of cylindrical coordinates

  • @rktiwa
    @rktiwa 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    isn't that a vector field. where are the i,j and k then?

  • @DeadlyCatcher
    @DeadlyCatcher 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    After taking div, why did he choose only 2z and not the terms of x and y from div F? is it because its normal to the surface created by x and y?

    • @harshitjoshi4561
      @harshitjoshi4561 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cause they cancel out when taking the divergence.

  • @rogehdz
    @rogehdz 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks, you just help me pass my analysis test

  • @Dollar12gurl
    @Dollar12gurl 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Is it weird that I'm only 15 and I watch stuff like this that I've never seen before in my free time?

    • @benninjin1427
      @benninjin1427 10 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Not really.

    • @gyakoo
      @gyakoo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a good thing, but remember you don't only watch but try to do it by yourself in paper. It's a whole new different thing

    • @iluxLove
      @iluxLove 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not weird, it's awesome. You're awesome. :)

  • @MTViperGTS
    @MTViperGTS 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:45 why is there "this extra factor of R" in the dV?

    • @jijobuje
      @jijobuje 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I believe it can be proved by jacobian matrix. When you do the calculations you get the extra R. I dont know if this info works 7 years later that you asked :D

  • @ndungusheriff2544
    @ndungusheriff2544 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good explanation

  • @devencoffey
    @devencoffey 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm actually a student at WSU in Washington but holy cow this guy speaks my language, makes me sad I can't afford MIT D=

  • @geogaddi84
    @geogaddi84 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was very well explained. Thankfully, I have a very similar problem. The flux is then equal to the volume, correct?

    • @davidchuong714
      @davidchuong714 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Adam Chavez I believe it’s the rate of force passing through the surface along the defined vector field.

  • @AashiqueHussain_
    @AashiqueHussain_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Professor!

  • @gnydnnk8384
    @gnydnnk8384 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    his smile is strangely mesmerising jesus christ

  • @qaisalhameed9946
    @qaisalhameed9946 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if we had divergent contain x=y+z , what we should do?

  • @theflaggeddragon9472
    @theflaggeddragon9472 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a proof that shows that the divergence is the sum of the partial derivatives? Why is this the definition and why does it work?

    • @youre100right3
      @youre100right3 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are many different proofs for it. Just requires a bit of algebra.

    • @skatelife59
      @skatelife59 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably late answer, but the divergence of a vector field F is by DEFINITION the sum of the partial derivatives of F. It's the dot product of the vector ∇ and F, where
      ∇ =
      so
      div(F) = ∇·F = · = ∂F1/∂x + ∂F2/∂y + ∂F3/∂z

    • @ZioAlboz
      @ZioAlboz 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually using the nabla operator to define divergence with dot product COMES from the fact that it can be proved that divergence is the sum of the partial derivatives. So that is not a proof! One way the demonstrate it is that being the function differentiable in a point, you can write down its linear approximation using Taylor's and then demonstrate from there that the divergence of the function depends only on the term with the gradient. With some Algebra that brings you to the fact that divergence is actually the trace of the Jacobian matrix!
      Super late response :P

  • @nextblain
    @nextblain 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    this guy just got his phd degree in mathematics from mit, so congratz!

  • @marked3382
    @marked3382 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for your explanation!

  • @mohammedaasri2774
    @mohammedaasri2774 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @NaseerAhmad-dd6pp
    @NaseerAhmad-dd6pp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MIT MEANS NO ARGUMENT

  • @charleetje
    @charleetje 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like this it looks so simple..

  • @simsvmusic
    @simsvmusic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2019 and still helpful lol..

  • @visbellum
    @visbellum 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Marvelous

  • @vyacheslavkervezee8938
    @vyacheslavkervezee8938 7 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    fart at 3:27

  • @junseohong6319
    @junseohong6319 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much!

  • @zackattack7967
    @zackattack7967 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clear explanation !

  • @colinluby5950
    @colinluby5950 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well explained

  • @tgeofrey
    @tgeofrey 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU

  • @ravisuthar7304
    @ravisuthar7304 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When calculate using surface integral i found flux zero

  • @simsvmusic
    @simsvmusic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you..

  • @stephanielallouz838
    @stephanielallouz838 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    best teacher

  • @fbakersj
    @fbakersj 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This answer is incorrect by a factor of 1/2 because he didnt include it when he integrated in respect to z. He should have put (rz^2)/2 then all the rest is correct after that, simple error.

    • @simsvmusic
      @simsvmusic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 2's cancel out.. Don't confuse people..

  • @KountSpectacula
    @KountSpectacula 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    MOAR!

  • @lorenzosmith605
    @lorenzosmith605 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty good, small note the results of the first integral is wrong, he forgot to divide by 1/2

    • @umerkhalid8171
      @umerkhalid8171 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he did that sir
      but because there was a 2 with z,
      when he did that it will be cancelled
      so its obvious not to write it

    • @lorenzosmith605
      @lorenzosmith605 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      I take it Back I was mistaken, thanks for the correction.

  • @IgnacioIF
    @IgnacioIF 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THANK
    YOU
    You are awesome, man :)
    Is he a matematician or a physicist? :D

  • @MegaShigjetari
    @MegaShigjetari 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    really great

  • @eldurhugieinarsson2503
    @eldurhugieinarsson2503 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perhaps engineering electromagnetics is not a comprehensible subject for a 13 year old such as myself

  • @world_conquerer
    @world_conquerer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Helped a lot

  • @jr7sa
    @jr7sa 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bring him here to be a professor at SMU. Such a nice explanation!!!

  • @Jmcmick
    @Jmcmick 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big test today

  • @HTMHicks
    @HTMHicks 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sidewalk chalk?

  • @jefpalmertexas5032
    @jefpalmertexas5032 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for posting....!!!!

  • @ashish8sharma
    @ashish8sharma 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    plsssss make a video on maxwell's 1st equation :)

  • @idontknow-hn2fh
    @idontknow-hn2fh 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    really nice....thanks a lot for the video (y)

  • @BrunoSilva-dh4uo
    @BrunoSilva-dh4uo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing vid

  • @shjh69fgx
    @shjh69fgx 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love ur way

  • @mdmobashshir432
    @mdmobashshir432 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    To which # lecture does it correspond to?

    • @mitocw
      @mitocw  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Mobashshir Feroz This corresponds to lecture 28 of 18.02. See the course on MIT OpenCourseWare for the complete context: ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/4.-triple-integrals-and-surface-integrals-in-3-space/part-b-flux-and-the-divergence-theorem/session-84-divergence-theorem/

    • @mdmobashshir432
      @mdmobashshir432 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, I'm already through till Lec 15.

    • @ashutosharya6221
      @ashutosharya6221 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Md Mobashshir Gauss divergence theorem from vector calculus

  • @ahmadeldesokey9844
    @ahmadeldesokey9844 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Genius.

  • @UsefIbba
    @UsefIbba 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, very helpful !

  • @imegatrone
    @imegatrone 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I Really Like The Video Flux and the divergence theorem From Your

  • @sherikan1727
    @sherikan1727 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you :)

  • @jeffberhow
    @jeffberhow 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always hope Joel would moonwalk back in before the solution.

  • @Lithiumz
    @Lithiumz 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    this guy is brilliant 8)

  • @thepike100
    @thepike100 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could have saved 3k and a lot of confusion by watching these lectures instead of going to uni.

  • @fbakersj
    @fbakersj 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I apologize I didnt see the 2z so I correct myself on my previous post. Sorry, I was incorrect

  • @slapitman
    @slapitman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you so much I'm 10

    • @Alhussainba
      @Alhussainba 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just wondering, do you understand what is he doing in this video?

  • @Ramzx
    @Ramzx 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    alan harper!

  • @TiggyDee7
    @TiggyDee7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here cause of onlines courses and my teachers cant explain shit

  • @prgalois
    @prgalois 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    sooo awesome :3

  • @nitinkush9316
    @nitinkush9316 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool

  • @MIAfishing1
    @MIAfishing1 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not bad not bad.

  • @lupekale3867
    @lupekale3867 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nerd! Thanks so much!

  • @nextblain
    @nextblain 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    this guy is awesome, but anyone else was able to solve this mentally?

  • @redlightning4
    @redlightning4 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its the same thing dude.

  • @Bala-cd5bp
    @Bala-cd5bp 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    He actually act's like Frank Jr from Friends Series The one who was the brother of Phoebe 😂😂

  • @juanholguin8783
    @juanholguin8783 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fk Yeah!!!! A video with no racist comments.

  • @MaikBey
    @MaikBey 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didnt pause the video, haha owned