I have a tiny winery in Oregon . I often dislike wine experts talking about thier views. But I really enjoyed this video. I very much like your detailed over on how evaluate a wine. You have very reason balanced style.
Another super video (I am catching up with the back catalogue after recently subscribing!). Love the channel - it combines two loves - watching entertaining youtube videos and wine!
I love the channel, Konstantin, and I think this is my favourite video so far. The blind tasting that forces you to identify characteristics and share them with us is very enlightening. Nice work.
Another wonderful session, thank you! More of these would be awesome. I think many peoples enjoy watching MWs struggle with blind tastings, not only because of the fun factor, but we can see the thought process when you are lost (vs easy straightforward puzzles) and that’s a great way to learn. Please keep these coming, I have learned a lot from your channel. (Now got to find if any good German burgundies are available in the US)
Hello Konstantin, I really enjoy your channel and your manner of discussing wines (thank you You Tube algorithm). I am a native Oregonian and enjoy our Pinot Noir and Italian Barbaresco. But I was very happy to hear you mention the Arhtal, an area I visited often when I lived in The Netherlands. I enjoyed many hikes down the Arhtal and was introduced to their Spaetburgunder when I entered a small town from the hiking trail and was ushered into the fundraising event by local volunteer fireman. After many glasses, I continued by foot to Ahrweiler, and took the train back to Ahrbrueck. I found it amazing that a red wine was grown so far north in Germany, but that is a wonderful micro-climate. I will visit the area again and wish the people there a rapid recovery from the recent terrible flooding.
One of your most interesting videos yet Konstantin, quite educational and easy to follow. I am not a wine expert, I would put myself more in the wine geek category. I have noticed from reading Decanter, wine blogs, wine media/articles, watching TH-cam videos (yours and Wine King and others) that once you go past the 50 US$/euro price point, quality isn't guaranteed or spending more doesn't necessarily get you higher quality wine. I do enjoy your clear and precise explanations and how you balance the technical and scientific aspects of wine with a fun and relaxing delivery/presentation style. Please keep them coming.
Really like your channel. Exciting and useful, especially accompanied by a nice slurp. My recent "good value" pinot noir is the 2017 Domaine Joblot Givry 1er Cru Clos du Cellier aux Moines. Easily beats many Cote d'Or wines at half the price. Also we have some very nice and good value whites here in the Somló wine region of Hungary. I recommend the hárslevelű of Kolonics which I just tasted last week. It's a ridiculous bargain at around 10 Euros. Just keep on rockin Konstantin :)
Suggestion to do a video on what you do if you do not finish bottle same night, how does you opinion change next day. How can you best keep overnight. What wines stay longer after open. Thanks
Hello Konstantin, I am one of those new subscribers to your channel. Greetings from Canada! I have watched quite a few of your videos and I enjoy them very much, and this one is no exception. To answer your question, my favourite value wines are from Spain and Portugal. I have very high hopes for the Colheita Douro by Quinta de Couquinho I bought today. It certainly was not inexpensive at $45CAD (way more than I usually spend!) but the quality should be comparable to wines costing a lot more.
My favourite value wine used to be Domaine Boyar from Bulgaria. When I lived in Canada you could find it for about $5 CAD. Now, it’s often something from Portugal. I live in Rhode Island (US) where there is a large Portuguese community which means good selection from the home country!
Very interesting and informative, as usual, thanks a lot! Recently I revealed to myself wines from Capo de Borja region of Spain. It's quite a long time that I became a big fan of Grenache made wines and it feels like in Capo de Borja there is pretty much value for adequate prices. Also, as many wine drinkers, I fell in love with Bierzo region and Mencia variety which is just incredible in value and nice in the price point.
Yes I have ... I would not say that I have one go to Australian wine though... Actually one of my favorites is Tyrells Vat 1 Hunter Valley Semilion because it is so special.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine would you be open to do an Aussie review of wines. I am originally from Sth Australia and the wine regions are massive there. Plus Victoria & WA have some great wines.
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Really cool! More or less the only content that gets me onto TH-cam these days. Keep up the good work :) Favourite ‘everyday value’ wines are from the Scheidgen Grauburgunder and Rieslings. I’m starting to work my way into reds by starting off in Spain. Can you do a video on good reds to start off with to build a taste? Ps: how about an online wine academy one day? ;-)
Hello Kons, at the moment my best value wines are from Bonterra, organic and biodynamic winemakers in Mendocino County, California. Usual retail price here in the UK is £12 a bottle. I've tried 3 of their wines: Chardonnay, Merlot and Cabernet Sauvignon. Greetings from London 🇬🇧
I discovered your channel and I love it! This tasting was fun, but arguably it is not the hardest to identify Pinot Noir from your home region (which you should know by heart) and from Burgundy (which has a very distinctive taste and style). I recommend from Schloss Goldenberg (Switzerland) the 2016 Fortissimo with a unique twist on PN and their nicely balanced Chardonnay!
Excellent video, really informative and fun to watch and keen to see more of these, would be really keen to see the guessing across regions and varietals. I also would love to see what R Basil suggested and get Frau Baum to join in. Also at about what value do you think that the price/quality curve levels out?
Do you find that you have better tasting days that others? I find that some days I'm great when identifying aromas and other days I feel like I've never smelt wine before and can barely pick up anything. Is it just me or does this happen to others?
Very well presented video, would like to see a little more swirling and determining - I have a very cheap Spanish blend tonite Macabeo, Moscatel, Viognier. One must appreciate every level of wine
The best local offer that I can think of is the Aromo Viognier 2020, a wine that can sometimes be found for less than 3 USD per bottle, and compares favorably to whites costing 2-3x as much. Internationally, Château Les Bertrands make inexpensive but quite good wines in Bordeaux. Their Blaye 2018 is very sophisticated for its cheap (€6,80) price.
All Spätburgunder/Pino Noirs by Meyer Näkle (Ahr Germany) are underrated... All of them, it's incredible, are still underrated... And a lot of Ahr wines are top notch internationally, yet wft low in price.
What about wine contests? How do you suggest taking that into consideration when choosing wine. I have tasted different great wines which didn’t won any prizes and winner wines which I don’t find good. Can you tell a trustful source for wine quality assessment.
Great point! I am not a big fan of wine challenges and do not trust their results. I follow robertparker.com, vinous and Jancis Robinson and some others but I always make up my own mind.
Very nice video! There are quite a few wines I'd say but the one where I was astonished the most was Silvaner Spätlese *** (Dreistern) trocken from Reinhold and Cornelia Schneider which sells from 9€. Talking red... you can really have a blast with Perrin/ Beaucastel Cotes du Rhone which sells at Lobenbergs for 8.50 € or Clos Saint Jean Chateauneuf du Pape for around 30 €.
I really like these videos! Nice job on identifying the price points. Maybe someday I'll have a German Pinot Noir. As for value wines, it's pretty easy to find some good ones here in Sicily. The other day I had the Tornatore Etna Bianco, 10 Euro, and it was quite good.
Clos de fous(locura uno chardonnay and Latuffa pinot noir) and Cono Sur(single vineyard syrah, reserva especial riesling). Amazing value from those wines!
Value I tend to find easiest in Iberia. Elias Mora is a really good quality wine for the price and is both a great stand alone as well as pairing well with spicy, meaty dishes.
I live in the USA and can find what I believe are good quality Pinot Grigio wine frequently from Friuli and old vine Zin usual from California for the 10 USD each. Between these two varieties/styles I can pair well with most of the foods I enjoy and these are therefore my go to wines. Any tips on similar wines that would be fun to try? I enjoy trying and learning.
For value wine: I'll go with some grower champagnes, like Gatinois, Henriet-Bazin, or Jaques Lassaigne. I think they offer much more worth then the often overprized houses.
Late to this party! Loved the simple explanation about oak. And the graph. Question: at what price point does the curve start to flatten out? Assuming it’s 20 euros, more or less
My suggestion for a best value wine: KWV Mentors Grenache Blanc. Its insane that you can buy a wine in this iconic winery's flagship range for this price. (488rmb in China, one seen it cheaper in South Africa). Its amazingly fresh with so much character
I can't say that I've had many good Pinot Noirs under $20...those Spatburgunders must be a hot deal for locals! I live in California - close to many PN vintners but anything that's cheap is acidic, out of balance, dilute nonsense. I've had some Chilean PNs under $20 that were worthwhile though!
Thanks for another good episode. My favorite value (sub 20 euro) white is likely Wirra's The 12th Man Chardonnay and favorite value red is either Lequin's Clos Genêt or Poliziano's young Vino Nobile depending on mood and food pairing. :)
Hi Konstantin, what would be your price where the curve in your picture flattens (price to quality) ? Lets say for german wine. My opinion would be around 50 Euros, but i’m no master;) thanks for your answer
Hmmm QPR - Quality/Price/Ratio: My language..but - a favorite?. Trapiche Broquel Malbec Mezzacorona Teroldego Rotaliano Hermanos Lurton Tempranillo (Toro)... Thank you for introducing me to BLIC I'd not encountered it before. (Length has the advantage of being easily measurable- caudalies & all that) I'm relatively new to your channel- have you already done something in detail on these 4 factors? I'm not sure this fits your profile, but I'd very much like to hear your take on the quip "There are no great wines - only great bottles " (Or is that the real meaning of "consistency"?)
Favorite value wine would have to be The Velvet Devil, a Washington State merlot that retails for $11.99. Good tannins, juicy fruit, a little spice. Really well rounded. Great at room temp or slightly chilled. Really worth it. It’s my go it merlot. I would happily pay $25 for this wine if I had to.
Excellent video sir! You bring great knowledge and experience to us average enthusiasts. One of my favorite "value" wines would be Chateau le Puy Emilien. In Ontario it sells for about $32 which would be about $22 Eur. Herb crusted rack of lamb with that wine is like bread and butter. Keep the great content coming.
You could make this challenge much more difficult by including NZ, Argentinian, US, Canadian Pinot!. I went to Kasierstul 6 years ago for its pinot. Rotwein Mannale was one of my foavirte
This price-to-quality issue has always interested me. Although I would never buy a wine more than about 20 euro, I've found very little improvement in quality as the price goes up. The chart you drew was spot on. I live in the Campania region of Italy, which means I drink exclusively Italian wines. Because there are only a couple of small wine shops where I live with limited selection, I buy from online retailers. These retailers have very nice search engines where I can select a price point and rating. There are a reasonable number of wines with over 90 points at around 10 euro. One very good wine I enjoy is Montepulciano D'Abruzzo DOP Mascoli 2021 Rupicapra, which is on sale now for 4 euro. That is probably the best wine for the money I've found, although it has no point rating. The best wine for the money rated by James Suckling at 91 points is Aglianico Del Vulture DOC Taglio Del Tralcio 2020 Re Manfredi, which I buy for 10.40 euro.
Well, you are fortunate to live in Italy much like me where 20 Euro will get you a very very good wine. I think as far price point vs quality, Italian wines are very good. Now I live in Florence and I can assure you there's a difference between a Cianti Classico at 15 and even a Vin Nobile di Montepulciano, Brunello or Bolgheri at 50+ Euro.
If I’m talking about what I can get on military base then I like Dreaming Tree Crush which is a blend for about 14 USD. If we are talking about what I can get locally or online through say Vivino there are quite a few Primitivo’s I enjoy but I’m really enjoying Biscardo’s Enigma which sells for around 14 Euros.
Hi, just seen your your video, i'm just an average consumer that have an interest in wine, i live in Portugal and here we can find wines at 10€ that are excellent, 10 to 20€ it starts to be dificult to make the diference between the best ones(great quality overall), over that price i think its only for specialists or professionals, can you please explain in what tipe of range consumers are the wines you taste, thanks for the videos and good tasting.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine thanks for the answer, what i would like to know is about quality of the wines you taste, because the relation price/quality changes as you are in diferent parts of the world, but the quality can be related wherever you are, is it not? thanks .
Love your channel - keep up the good work! If you had $250 US to spend on a cellar-worthy bottle, what would you buy? Just curious of your taste preferences.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine Interesting. Thanks. Have you tasted many Canadian wines (aside from Ice wines), specifically in the Okanagan region? They’re doing some beautiful things with Bordeaux varietals in the south (where it’s quite hot) and Pinot noir and Riesling to the north.
The Kopp Sonnenberg (2014) retails at around 46€ here in Denmark. That's pretty comparable to a Louis Jadot Pernand-Vergelles 1er cru. I might give it a shot in a pinot tasting one day though...and by the way, my favorite value wine currently is the Alias pinot noir from Napa valley at 8€ - it's more or less a coca-cola with a bit more acidity and a hint of tannins but loads of vanilla, coconut and cherry sweetness
last week i've had a spaetburgunder2018 from Paul Schumacher served really cold to me with fish .... and i was simply blown away how well that tasted ! what's your view on serving (some) red wines chilled? .... btw i hope PS gets his winery going again after the horrible floods .
Favourite value Pinot right now - G. Marquis 2017 Pinot Noir (Silver Line). *Yes I can’t believe I’m saying this about a Canadian wine either - please trust me and try it I don’t think you’ll regret it
This is all about if you are trained / used to valuing certain flavor profiles. Familiarity is basically more important than quality when it comes to a lot of tastes - and this very much includes wines. I live in Denmark and a lot of us Scandinavians have a fondness for salty "salmiak" licorice - give the same candy to someone who isn't used to it, and they will most likely spit it out. I have very rarely met anyone who wasn't used to the taste who like it... I however can ABSOLUTELY crave the taste to a point where nothing else can "replace" it. So you bravo for being able to taste what you were educated to taste (not meant ironically) - however - for most "normal people" expensive wines are a waste of money - especially if you don't tell them it's an expensive wine while serving it. Just knowing something is expensive massively increases the chance that people will think it's better than they would if they were not told this. - There are literally 100's of studies proving this exact point.
@@itsmederek1 Nah that's not the same at all simply because if you drive in a cheap car and then drive an expensive car you - no matter who you are - can tell the difference simply because of the difference in materials and build quality - not to mention equipment level. When it comes to wine however you could take a 1000$ bottle and put it in between a bunch of 50$ bottles - and 99% of all people wouldn't notice - again - this has been tested numerous times. If you however tell people the price - it changes drastically! HOWEVER - again - if you then play a trick on people and place an normal "good" bottle of wine in between the expensive ones and say it's really expensive - they will most likely say it tastes really expensive.
Thanks. I’m a stronger believer of the blind tasting and all the brain work connected with it. I love it! Gets my as excited as a child to work at the different components. Just today I did ask my boss to do more of these activities for our team. Have a good week end Teacher! By the way, you have to guess right 36 wines out of 36? How is it even possible..... You are a wolf! :)
Konstantin Baum - Master of Wine I get it.... Massive training.... But this is the best part of our job I’d say, I really like to be a sort of detective and use all the logic possible in order to narrow more and more the final answer.... have a good day Teacher!
Difficult to name one specific wine but if its okay if I simply choose a variety an therefore I want to name "Moscato d' Asti" which I think is often to cheap for its quality.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine I came back to this video today and saw my comment again. Need to add that I've been greatly disappointed by the 2020 vintage. The 2019 though was great.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine This producer is recognised worldwide I think for the French big reds, but the real hero there is unique local variety Shiroka melnishka. Very late ripping red, giving blush delicate wines.
Value wine?...I think it's hard to beat a decent Cotes du Rhone. I normally go for Guigal CdR or Parallel 45 from Jaboulet Aine. Both around the £10 mark here in England and incredibly consistent year on year. Another wine which I love and think is great value is the Pieropan Soave. It's about £16 so is still quite affordable and fabulous with food.
Great videos and super informative, which arguably is the most impressive thing about you. I've binged all of your videoes so far, even the German ones. You are my new favorite youtuber. I'd love for you talk more about Mosel wines or do more blind tastes with German whites, they're super intriguing in my opinion.
I, generally, love Pinot noirs. Price, definitely, does not equate to quality. I’ve tasted Pinots noirs that cost under $25 USD that are very good and I’ve tried them over that price point, and have been disappointed.
For me, there's no question. I think Joh. Jos. Prum have put some wines on the market that taste as if they should cost 10x more than they do. I'm talking about wines that I've paid 15-30 euros for (if I remember correctly). Well, to my not very educated palate at least.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine No, I hadn't but I have now🙂 Thanks for the tip. Very interesting to get some backstory. I hope that one day, I'll get the privilege of tasting that '83 Auslese. I'm new here but this is already my favourite wine channel. I like the way you talk about wine. There's a hint of German empirical exactness and practicality in the way you describe wines and the wine making process. Keep up the good work!
Overly tannic wines may be "high quality," but to my palate, they are flawed. Some may integrate the tannins after years, but I'm in my 70s, so I ain't laying anything down for 10 years.l
KOnstantin - "I'm pretty sure that I will enjoy all 4 of them tonight with dinner".
Me - I salute you, sir.
I have a tiny winery in Oregon . I often dislike wine experts talking about thier views. But I really enjoyed this video. I very much like your detailed over on how evaluate a wine. You have very reason balanced style.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A tiny winery - a tinery.
@@singlesideman
Tiny weaner
"I often dislike wine experts talking about their views"
What a weird comment
@@monkeytennis8861 Or perfectly reasonable considering the bloviating BS that infects all realms of "expert" opinion...😏
Another super video (I am catching up with the back catalogue after recently subscribing!). Love the channel - it combines two loves - watching entertaining youtube videos and wine!
I love the channel, Konstantin, and I think this is my favourite video so far. The blind tasting that forces you to identify characteristics and share them with us is very enlightening. Nice work.
Thank you !
Nice job Konstantin. Great analysis, I enjoyed your commentary.
Just stumbled upon your channel. Great content and presentation. I subscribed 😄
Another wonderful session, thank you! More of these would be awesome. I think many peoples enjoy watching MWs struggle with blind tastings, not only because of the fun factor, but we can see the thought process when you are lost (vs easy straightforward puzzles) and that’s a great way to learn. Please keep these coming, I have learned a lot from your channel. (Now got to find if any good German burgundies are available in the US)
Thank you - I will keep them coming!
Hello Konstantin, I really enjoy your channel and your manner of discussing wines (thank you You Tube algorithm). I am a native Oregonian and enjoy our Pinot Noir and Italian Barbaresco. But I was very happy to hear you mention the Arhtal, an area I visited often when I lived in The Netherlands. I enjoyed many hikes down the Arhtal and was introduced to their Spaetburgunder when I entered a small town from the hiking trail and was ushered into the fundraising event by local volunteer fireman. After many glasses, I continued by foot to Ahrweiler, and took the train back to Ahrbrueck. I found it amazing that a red wine was grown so far north in Germany, but that is a wonderful micro-climate. I will visit the area again and wish the people there a rapid recovery from the recent terrible flooding.
Hi Konstantin,
First got interested in wine on youtube from Wineking, but your channel is very great aswell.
keep it up :)
Thanks - will do.
One of your most interesting videos yet Konstantin, quite educational and easy to follow. I am not a wine expert, I would put myself more in the wine geek category. I have noticed from reading Decanter, wine blogs, wine media/articles, watching TH-cam videos (yours and Wine King and others) that once you go past the 50 US$/euro price point, quality isn't guaranteed or spending more doesn't necessarily get you higher quality wine. I do enjoy your clear and precise explanations and how you balance the technical and scientific aspects of wine with a fun and relaxing delivery/presentation style. Please keep them coming.
Really like your channel. Exciting and useful, especially accompanied by a nice slurp. My recent "good value" pinot noir is the 2017 Domaine Joblot Givry 1er Cru Clos du Cellier aux Moines. Easily beats many Cote d'Or wines at half the price. Also we have some very nice and good value whites here in the Somló wine region of Hungary. I recommend the hárslevelű of Kolonics which I just tasted last week. It's a ridiculous bargain at around 10 Euros. Just keep on rockin Konstantin :)
I enjoy the blind tastings, Pinot Noir is a favorite of mine. Your channel opens up my experiences to different wines thank you.
My favorite value wines are the Cote du Rhône’s from Guigal and Perrin. Both below 10 Euro. Always good quality and taste.
You should try the 100% Syrah Cote du Rhone from Saint Cosme it is insane value for Rhone Syrah
Congrats on the success of the last video. Ohhhh I want that Kopp Spatburgunder!
Suggestion to do a video on what you do if you do not finish bottle same night, how does you opinion change next day. How can you best keep overnight. What wines stay longer after open. Thanks
Hello my friend I am so happy I've discovered your Channel. More great knowledge and entertaining coming my way.
Welcome aboard!
Hello Konstantin, I am one of those new subscribers to your channel. Greetings from Canada! I have watched quite a few of your videos and I enjoy them very much, and this one is no exception. To answer your question, my favourite value wines are from Spain and Portugal. I have very high hopes for the Colheita Douro by Quinta de Couquinho I bought today. It certainly was not inexpensive at $45CAD (way more than I usually spend!) but the quality should be comparable to wines costing a lot more.
Welcome to the Crew! Spain and Portugal offers great quality at pretty low prices.
Binge watching your videos. I would really like more of these :) They are fun to watch and guess along with you from home
More coming up for sure!
We can find some solid argentinian malbecs under $10 here in Panamá: escorihuela gascón, finca las moras and alamos are some good examples.
Escorihuela Gascón is an amazing wine, especially for the price. I’m envious, because here in Chile it’s rare as hen’s teeth and also expensive.
Yes, that is true!
Love this format
Thank you!
My favourite value wine used to be Domaine Boyar from Bulgaria. When I lived in Canada you could find it for about $5 CAD. Now, it’s often something from Portugal. I live in Rhode Island (US) where there is a large Portuguese community which means good selection from the home country!
Potugese wines often have a great quality/price ratio!
Happy, du bist von Baden...soo gut , liebe Kolleg, Baden hat doch positiv point ja ? Fuer mich schon! With fun and pleasure !
A very good video especially with the comments on price and quality relationship!
Thank you!
Great Video!
Konstantin, What are the glasses you use in your videos?
Great timing - there is a video coming up on that topic!
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine Looking forward to it!
Very interesting and informative, as usual, thanks a lot!
Recently I revealed to myself wines from Capo de Borja region of Spain. It's quite a long time that I became a big fan of Grenache made wines and it feels like in Capo de Borja there is pretty much value for adequate prices.
Also, as many wine drinkers, I fell in love with Bierzo region and Mencia variety which is just incredible in value and nice in the price point.
Thanks for sharing! I love Bierzo!
Curious to know, if you have reviewed any Australian wines... And if you have, which is your go to Aussie wine? BTW, loving your channel.
Yes I have ... I would not say that I have one go to Australian wine though... Actually one of my favorites is Tyrells Vat 1 Hunter Valley Semilion because it is so special.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine would you be open to do an Aussie review of wines. I am originally from Sth Australia and the wine regions are massive there. Plus Victoria & WA have some great wines.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine There is also the Mount Pleasant Elizabeth and Lovedale Semillion from the Hunter Valley. Both fab!
Nice work. Loved the video. 👍🏼
Thank you! 👍
I love this channel! Thank you for doing these. Looking forward to more content! Can we do some remote tastings? hahaha
Thank you Mike! Maybe I should start doing some live streams at some point.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine that would be really cool! You could announce the wines a week earlier so everybody can go buy them.
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Really cool! More or less the only content that gets me onto TH-cam these days. Keep up the good work :)
Favourite ‘everyday value’ wines are from the Scheidgen Grauburgunder and Rieslings. I’m starting to work my way into reds by starting off in Spain. Can you do a video on good reds to start off with to build a taste?
Ps: how about an online wine academy one day? ;-)
Thanks! Will do!
Great video enjoyed it very much my best bang for the buck would have to be Malbec. Argentina as well as France especially Malbec’s from cahors.
Thanks!
Hello Kons, at the moment my best value wines are from Bonterra, organic and biodynamic winemakers in Mendocino County, California. Usual retail price here in the UK is £12 a bottle. I've tried 3 of their wines: Chardonnay, Merlot and Cabernet Sauvignon. Greetings from London 🇬🇧
Thanks - yes, they are porducing good wines!
I discovered your channel and I love it! This tasting was fun, but arguably it is not the hardest to identify Pinot Noir from your home region (which you should know by heart) and from Burgundy (which has a very distinctive taste and style). I recommend from Schloss Goldenberg (Switzerland) the 2016 Fortissimo with a unique twist on PN and their nicely balanced Chardonnay!
That is true - there are more difficult tastings
Excellent video, really informative and fun to watch and keen to see more of these, would be really keen to see the guessing across regions and varietals. I also would love to see what R Basil suggested and get Frau Baum to join in. Also at about what value do you think that the price/quality curve levels out?
Thanks! At aroung 20 Euros the connection starts to get weaker and weaker.
Do you find that you have better tasting days that others? I find that some days I'm great when identifying aromas and other days I feel like I've never smelt wine before and can barely pick up anything. Is it just me or does this happen to others?
I never have a bad hair day but I do have bad tasting days ;) Everyone does!
Very well presented video, would like to see a little more swirling and determining - I have a very cheap Spanish blend tonite Macabeo, Moscatel, Viognier. One must appreciate every level of wine
The best local offer that I can think of is the Aromo Viognier 2020, a wine that can sometimes be found for less than 3 USD per bottle, and compares favorably to whites costing 2-3x as much.
Internationally, Château Les Bertrands make inexpensive but quite good wines in Bordeaux. Their Blaye 2018 is very sophisticated for its cheap (€6,80) price.
I need to try both wines!
All Spätburgunder/Pino Noirs by Meyer Näkle (Ahr Germany) are underrated... All of them, it's incredible, are still underrated... And a lot of Ahr wines are top notch internationally, yet wft low in price.
For me Germany is making so many things right at the moment. Especially the young producers try new things and make it even more interesting :)
They are still cheap compared to other regions.
What about wine contests? How do you suggest taking that into consideration when choosing wine. I have tasted different great wines which didn’t won any prizes and winner wines which I don’t find good. Can you tell a trustful source for wine quality assessment.
Great point! I am not a big fan of wine challenges and do not trust their results. I follow robertparker.com, vinous and Jancis Robinson and some others but I always make up my own mind.
Very nice video!
There are quite a few wines I'd say but the one where I was astonished the most was Silvaner Spätlese *** (Dreistern) trocken from Reinhold and Cornelia Schneider which sells from 9€.
Talking red... you can really have a blast with Perrin/ Beaucastel Cotes du Rhone which sells at Lobenbergs for 8.50 € or Clos Saint Jean Chateauneuf du Pape for around 30 €.
Thanks!
Hello! what is the name of the glass? thank you!
Riedel Veritas Champagne.
I really like these videos! Nice job on identifying the price points. Maybe someday I'll have a German Pinot Noir. As for value wines, it's pretty easy to find some good ones here in Sicily. The other day I had the Tornatore Etna Bianco, 10 Euro, and it was quite good.
Thanks!
Clos de fous(locura uno chardonnay and Latuffa pinot noir) and Cono Sur(single vineyard syrah, reserva especial riesling). Amazing value from those wines!
The best value Pinot Noir comes from Sancerre, and Reuilly. You can easily find wine equal and better than Burgundy for a third of the price.
Value I tend to find easiest in Iberia. Elias Mora is a really good quality wine for the price and is both a great stand alone as well as pairing well with spicy, meaty dishes.
Just found your channel. Really enjoying the videos. Sharpie noises are 🤤🤤🤤😂😂
:) Thanks!
Can you make a Video about all the different ratings, How it is rated and which rating should you Trust the Most ?
I live in the USA and can find what I believe are good quality Pinot Grigio wine frequently from Friuli and old vine Zin usual from California for the 10 USD each. Between these two varieties/styles I can pair well with most of the foods I enjoy and these are therefore my go to wines. Any tips on similar wines that would be fun to try? I enjoy trying and learning.
Please taste Chateau Panet Saint-Emilion Grand Cru 2016 and Winiveria Saperavi 2018
Favorite value wine: Manincor Cassiano, it's a Bordeaux blend style wine from Südtirol.
For value wine: I'll go with some grower champagnes, like Gatinois, Henriet-Bazin, or Jaques Lassaigne. I think they offer much more worth then the often overprized houses.
Late to this party! Loved the simple explanation about oak. And the graph. Question: at what price point does the curve start to flatten out? Assuming it’s 20 euros, more or less
Maybe more at about 50!
My suggestion for a best value wine:
KWV Mentors Grenache Blanc.
Its insane that you can buy a wine in this iconic winery's flagship range for this price. (488rmb in China, one seen it cheaper in South Africa).
Its amazingly fresh with so much character
Sounds interesting!
I really like Kabinett trocken Rieslings for 6-7€ from Rheingau. For example Weingut Hirschmann. For me the best value for money in wine.
Have not tasted it yet!
Watching while playing with a Trader Joe's Montepuliciano and Papa John's pizza! LOL
Perfect match!
I can't say that I've had many good Pinot Noirs under $20...those Spatburgunders must be a hot deal for locals! I live in California - close to many PN vintners but anything that's cheap is acidic, out of balance, dilute nonsense. I've had some Chilean PNs under $20 that were worthwhile though!
My best priced Qualifying wine is the Chateau Lagrange st Julien. As it is a third Grand Cru Classè but in taste beats many second grand crus
Thanks for another good episode.
My favorite value (sub 20 euro) white is likely Wirra's The 12th Man Chardonnay and favorite value red is either Lequin's Clos Genêt or Poliziano's young Vino Nobile depending on mood and food pairing. :)
Thank you!
Hi Konstantin, what would be your price where the curve in your picture flattens (price to quality) ? Lets say for german wine. My opinion would be around 50 Euros, but i’m no master;) thanks for your answer
Hmmm
QPR - Quality/Price/Ratio: My language..but - a favorite?.
Trapiche Broquel Malbec
Mezzacorona Teroldego Rotaliano
Hermanos Lurton Tempranillo (Toro)...
Thank you for introducing me to BLIC
I'd not encountered it before. (Length has the advantage of being easily measurable- caudalies & all that)
I'm relatively new to your channel- have you already done something in detail on these 4 factors?
I'm not sure this fits your profile, but I'd very much like to hear your take on the quip "There are no great wines - only great bottles "
(Or is that the real meaning of "consistency"?)
Favorite value wine would have to be The Velvet Devil, a Washington State merlot that retails for $11.99. Good tannins, juicy fruit, a little spice. Really well rounded. Great at room temp or slightly chilled. Really worth it. It’s my go it merlot. I would happily pay $25 for this wine if I had to.
Excellent video sir! You bring great knowledge and experience to us average enthusiasts. One of my favorite "value" wines would be Chateau le Puy Emilien. In Ontario it sells for about $32 which would be about $22 Eur. Herb crusted rack of lamb with that wine is like bread and butter. Keep the great content coming.
I love that wine!
You could make this challenge much more difficult by including NZ, Argentinian, US, Canadian Pinot!. I went to Kasierstul 6 years ago for its pinot. Rotwein Mannale was one of my foavirte
I have a bottle cakebread cellars wine
Cabernet Sauvignon from 2017 I snagged for 80$ bucks. Is is time to drink?
It’s june2021 right now.
I would wait another 5 years.
This price-to-quality issue has always interested me. Although I would never buy a wine more than about 20 euro, I've found very little improvement in quality as the price goes up. The chart you drew was spot on.
I live in the Campania region of Italy, which means I drink exclusively Italian wines. Because there are only a couple of small wine shops where I live with limited selection, I buy from online retailers. These retailers have very nice search engines where I can select a price point and rating. There are a reasonable number of wines with over 90 points at around 10 euro.
One very good wine I enjoy is Montepulciano D'Abruzzo DOP Mascoli 2021 Rupicapra, which is on sale now for 4 euro. That is probably the best wine for the money I've found, although it has no point rating.
The best wine for the money rated by James Suckling at 91 points is Aglianico Del Vulture DOC Taglio Del Tralcio 2020 Re Manfredi, which I buy for 10.40 euro.
Well, you are fortunate to live in Italy much like me where 20 Euro will get you a very very good wine. I think as far price point vs quality, Italian wines are very good. Now I live in Florence and I can assure you there's a difference between a Cianti Classico at 15 and even a Vin Nobile di Montepulciano, Brunello or Bolgheri at 50+ Euro.
If I’m talking about what I can get on military base then I like Dreaming Tree Crush which is a blend for about 14 USD. If we are talking about what I can get locally or online through say Vivino there are quite a few Primitivo’s I enjoy but I’m really enjoying Biscardo’s Enigma which sells for around 14 Euros.
I have not tasted any of those wines but Dreaming Tree Crush sounds awesome ... Stay thirsty!
Hi, just seen your your video, i'm just an average consumer that have an interest in wine, i live in Portugal and here we can find wines at 10€ that are excellent, 10 to 20€ it starts to be dificult to make the diference between the best ones(great quality overall), over that price i think its only for specialists or professionals, can you please explain in what tipe of range consumers are the wines you taste, thanks for the videos and good tasting.
Thanks for sharing! I taste everything but most of the wines I DRINK are between 10 and 60 Euros.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine thanks for the answer, what i would like to know is about quality of the wines you taste, because the relation price/quality changes as you are in diferent parts of the world, but the quality can be related wherever you are, is it not? thanks .
Love your channel - keep up the good work!
If you had $250 US to spend on a cellar-worthy bottle, what would you buy? Just curious of your taste preferences.
Hard to say. One bottle? A great Bdx or classic Napa Cab maybe
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Interesting. Thanks. Have you tasted many Canadian wines (aside from Ice wines), specifically in the Okanagan region? They’re doing some beautiful things with Bordeaux varietals in the south (where it’s quite hot) and Pinot noir and Riesling to the north.
The Kopp Sonnenberg (2014) retails at around 46€ here in Denmark. That's pretty comparable to a Louis Jadot Pernand-Vergelles 1er cru. I might give it a shot in a pinot tasting one day though...and by the way, my favorite value wine currently is the Alias pinot noir from Napa valley at 8€ - it's more or less a coca-cola with a bit more acidity and a hint of tannins but loads of vanilla, coconut and cherry sweetness
That is quite a difference in price.
last week i've had a spaetburgunder2018 from Paul Schumacher served really cold to me with fish .... and i was simply blown away how well that tasted ! what's your view on serving (some) red wines chilled? .... btw i hope PS gets his winery going again after the horrible floods .
Yes, I often serve reds chilled, especially lighter ones
Favourite value Pinot right now - G. Marquis 2017 Pinot Noir (Silver Line).
*Yes I can’t believe I’m saying this about a Canadian wine either - please trust me and try it I don’t think you’ll regret it
Interesting pick! I have never tasted it but I will try to find it.
Yeah the curve of diminishing returns is a real issue
This is all about if you are trained / used to valuing certain flavor profiles. Familiarity is basically more important than quality when it comes to a lot of tastes - and this very much includes wines. I live in Denmark and a lot of us Scandinavians have a fondness for salty "salmiak" licorice - give the same candy to someone who isn't used to it, and they will most likely spit it out. I have very rarely met anyone who wasn't used to the taste who like it... I however can ABSOLUTELY crave the taste to a point where nothing else can "replace" it.
So you bravo for being able to taste what you were educated to taste (not meant ironically) - however - for most "normal people" expensive wines are a waste of money - especially if you don't tell them it's an expensive wine while serving it. Just knowing something is expensive massively increases the chance that people will think it's better than they would if they were not told this. - There are literally 100's of studies proving this exact point.
That logic could be applied to everything though. Its a waste to get an expensive car if you are not into cars as well.
@@itsmederek1 Nah that's not the same at all simply because if you drive in a cheap car and then drive an expensive car you - no matter who you are - can tell the difference simply because of the difference in materials and build quality - not to mention equipment level. When it comes to wine however you could take a 1000$ bottle and put it in between a bunch of 50$ bottles - and 99% of all people wouldn't notice - again - this has been tested numerous times.
If you however tell people the price - it changes drastically! HOWEVER - again - if you then play a trick on people and place an normal "good" bottle of wine in between the expensive ones and say it's really expensive - they will most likely say it tastes really expensive.
Fave value wine Sibiris Carmenere Undurraga 2017 from Chile!
Thanks.
I’m a stronger believer of the blind tasting and all the brain work connected with it.
I love it! Gets my as excited as a child to work at the different components.
Just today I did ask my boss to do more of these activities for our team.
Have a good week end Teacher!
By the way, you have to guess right 36 wines out of 36? How is it even possible..... You are a wolf! :)
Thanks, You have to identify them all as closely as possible. You can make a few mistakes but you need to be close.
Konstantin Baum - Master of Wine I get it.... Massive training.... But this is the best part of our job I’d say, I really like to be a sort of detective and use all the logic possible in order to narrow more and more the final answer....
have a good day Teacher!
Can you do a blind test between Bordeaux wine vs napa wine vs australian wines?
Difficult to name one specific wine but if its okay if I simply choose a variety an therefore I want to name "Moscato d' Asti" which I think is often to cheap for its quality.
Thats true!
My favorite Value Wine is the "Springfontein Ulumbaza Red" from South Africa for around 10,00 €
I do have a new favorite value-wine. It is the Stark Uelversheimer Aulenberg Huxelrebe Auslese. Amazing price/value. I was totally surprised by it.
I have not tasted this wine - yet!
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine I came back to this video today and saw my comment again. Need to add that I've been greatly disappointed by the 2020 vintage. The 2019 though was great.
Villa Melnik
Applause
Cabernet sauvignon
17lv. Is under 10€
I tasted that one this weekend on place in the iconic Melnik region.
I have not tasted this wine yet.
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This producer is recognised worldwide I think for the French big reds, but the real hero there is unique local variety Shiroka melnishka. Very late ripping red, giving blush delicate wines.
danke, spasibo. do chilean wines, please.
Thanks!
Value wine?...I think it's hard to beat a decent Cotes du Rhone. I normally go for Guigal CdR or Parallel 45 from Jaboulet Aine. Both around the £10 mark here in England and incredibly consistent year on year. Another wine which I love and think is great value is the Pieropan Soave. It's about £16 so is still quite affordable and fabulous with food.
For me definitely very limoux chardonnay from anne de joyeus 12,95 for a propper chardonnay with real wood not to over the top.
Sounds good!
2011 vintage?! that is a great price point if purchased recently.
Great videos and super informative, which arguably is the most impressive thing about you. I've binged all of your videoes so far, even the German ones. You are my new favorite youtuber. I'd love for you talk more about Mosel wines or do more blind tastes with German whites, they're super intriguing in my opinion.
Wow, thanks!
Well done! 👍
My favorite value wine is BEND. A cabernet sauvignon from Napa, California.
Are you going to do this with Domaine Leflaive?
I.e. Village Level, Pucelles, Folateries and the Montrachet?. Better still, get Frau Baum to do it.
Good idea!
I, generally, love Pinot noirs. Price, definitely, does not equate to quality. I’ve tasted Pinots noirs that cost under $25 USD that are very good and I’ve tried them over that price point, and have been disappointed.
That is true. Especially in Burgundy
For me, there's no question. I think Joh. Jos. Prum have put some wines on the market that taste as if they should cost 10x more than they do. I'm talking about wines that I've paid 15-30 euros for (if I remember correctly). Well, to my not very educated palate at least.
That is true. Have you checkt out my video on JJ Prüm: th-cam.com/video/H1DGzhUQRA8/w-d-xo.html
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine No, I hadn't but I have now🙂 Thanks for the tip. Very interesting to get some backstory. I hope that one day, I'll get the privilege of tasting that '83 Auslese.
I'm new here but this is already my favourite wine channel. I like the way you talk about wine. There's a hint of German empirical exactness and practicality in the way you describe wines and the wine making process. Keep up the good work!
It would be also fun to include some 2 Euros wine.
This would have been better with a wider price range in my opinion. Otherwise, very nice.
so it was 1,2,3,& 4? What are the chances?
I think they are the same as having them in any other order ... but my Probability skills are a bit rusty...
Saint cosme/Guigal, cotes du Rhone is prettty good for around 10€
I agree!
Most of the time you do get what you are paying for, as long as you know what it is you are paying for!
True.
They were arranged in order of price and quality from (your ) left to right. You need to mix them up.
Naoussa Alta by Decanter Rising Star Thymiopoulos.
Overly tannic wines may be "high quality," but to my palate, they are flawed. Some may integrate the tannins after years, but I'm in my 70s, so I ain't laying anything down for 10 years.l
Imagine producing a product knowing that it could be year's before you see any revenue from it
Next time please with ratings :)
Ok