MASTER OF WINE Tries WORST Wines from VIVINO Under $20
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2021
- To get this out of the way - I am not being paid by Vivino for this Video and I have not used Vivino much in the past. It seems like many wine drinkers do use it today.
According to their website more than 52 million users and more than 74 million reviews, which is a lot. I realized that when I looked up the wines for this tasting
Vivino does not give you the option to sort by worst-rated wines and you do not have the option to search for wines rated 2 or 1 stars. As a matter of fact: I did not find any wines rated below 2 Stars and I did find very few wines rated under 3 Stars. I looked for wines that are widely available internationally so you should be able to get most of them in your market if you want to… I want to find out how useful these scores are and will rate the wines myself according to the 100 point scale. I am going to taste the wines the same way a Vivino user would taste them - not blind. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Just found this channel few days ago, and already addicted to it. As a hungarian phrase says "i drink all your words". As a hungarian i really wondery what is your opinion about hungarian wines. It should be a dream come true, if you taste some kind of wines from our famous regions like Tokaj, Villány, Eger or Badacsony and share your experiences with us. Keep this great way on!
Thank you!
Try to find and read "Philosophy of Wine" by Bela Hamvas (1897-1968). Sadly it is available in only a few languages other than Hungarian.
@@gilejoksimovic3168 Thanks for the suggestion Gile, i already got it. Hamvas is a person who heavily influences me, i love most of thoughts of him.
Happy to come across your comment. Discovered the great wines of Hungary last year on holiday in Hungary. Started to wonder why we don't find it (or only 1-2 bottles) in stores here in the Netherlands. May really be worth letting Western Europe discover Hungarian wine. Plus, it seems Tokaj is on the way to restoring its former glory. Quite smart of the Rothschilds and the AXA insurance company, among others, heavily investing in Tokaj land and winemaking after the communist era (which drastically deteriorated wine quality), it seems like a foolproof investment.
I tasted a 3.3 star Nero d'Avola (Gaetano d'Aquino) and I was surprised by how good it was. I'm not sure if my palate isn't yet educated enough, but I actually found it very good. It tasted of plum, a bit of chocolate and a bit of rosemary.
This channel is going places. I absolutely love your tasting notes!
Would be great if you did a “tasting with me” and post specific wines and go over the tasting notes and info on the region, producer etc. 🤗
Love this channel, finally found someone who gives out solid information, keeps it short and interesting and cover a lot of wine related topics. Good Job!!
Previously, I used Delectable to search for wine. My impression is that it was used by a more educated audience than Vivino. Especially in Russia, where at that time (about 8 years ago) people gave undeservedly good marks to bad wines in Vivino, which spoiled the experience. But now Delectable has turned into abandonware, and Vivino, on the contrary, has improved considerably. However, I still miss Delectable.
Maybe a tasting of the most popular wines on Vivino/wines with the highest number of ratings for the next video in this series? Always interesting to hear the perspective of a MW on the bottles that are on supermarket shelves around the world.
Sounds good!
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine I love this idea
I like this idea because those wines are probably more widely available. I can only find the Yellowtail Chardonnay here, but it is Oaked, unfortunately, so actually I find zero of these wines in my area
Am I missing something? Didn't he say that he just did a video tasting the highest rated wines on vivino a couple weeks ago at the begining of this video?
@jakobsmith1396 he did but this person means wines with the most ratings. Not the best ratings.
"It tastes of nothing, it smells of nothing." Great quote my friend. Great video as well.
I recently discovered your channel and been binge watching wine stuff the entire weekend, thanks for the informative and fun video's so far :)
Thank you!
Love your videos! Lots of useful info
Thank you!
So unpretentious and informative without prejudice. I would love to drink with you one day. I like how informative and direct your videos are.
So glad I found this channel! Have been wanting a channel like this for so long! Love how you break down each wine…. Even the terrible ones lol
Glad you like it!
This is like a really informative comedy sketch about wine, every time you threw the cork (or cap) around the room I couldn't stop laughing. In general I think there are so many good wines at
Thanks!
Just discovered your channel, finally a decent wine vlog. Your style, content and demeanour is engrossing and I am busy watching your backlog catalogue of videos. Please keep them coming. I would like to see a review of really obscure wines and not just the mainstream
can i just say, thank you so much. The amount of information given, time and dedication is amazing! You can't find quality education like this, without paying a steep price!
Glad it was helpful!
Reduction is actually a topic I'd love to see you cover in more depth. As it's a weird and confusing topic that's also a bit frustrating
Good idea
That is a great topic!
I 3rd this motion!!!
4th!
Like you, I was also suprised to see Domaine Wachau on this list, huge fan of their riesling and gruner!
Congrats on the 10k keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Nice to see you do a comparison video! I appreciate that you consider the input of your subscribers!!!
Sure do!
Loving your channel Konstantin, having discovered it just a couple of weeks ago. Have learned plenty already and loving the style of the videos. Great work! Any chance of something on Chenin Blanc?
Good idea!
Your description of that Italian white @3:45 was HILARIOUS!
Ive started to enjoy your channel. First few videos was not sure about the sense of humor, but it actually grew on me. I love your honesty when you get the blind tastings wrong - full points in my book. Would be great to see your review of Supertuscan and Napa wines.
I appreciate that!
Once more a cool and insightful video, thanks for sharing, Konstantin!
One question: how do you actually translate between Vivino points and the 100 points system? Thanks!
Vivino has published a translation attempt between the two systems.
Great videos, congrats!
I think it would be interesting to find a way to distinguish popular and quality wines. It's tough i know, but it's worth an effort. Thanks!
Yes, this might be interesting.
fascinating :) thanks for a fun and informative video, yet again 👍
Thank you!
Dude, so funny! You are also very fair. Love the vids!
Keep it up Konstantin, much love from Australia
Thanks Ben!
Retsina you don't drink for the taste, you drink it because you're used to it and you have sweet memories of getting drunk in warm Greek nights with friends or strangers and more and more outrageous conversations.
Hahahah, finding low-scoring wines on Vivino is a tall task. Hat's off to you on that, it must have taken a long time.
Hard work!
Yeah, people on vivino are way too forgiving.
This is one of your best videos! Very entertaining and educational. I’d like to see a comparison between the converted Vivino score and yours when you rate each wine, though, because it’s hard to get a sense of scale sometimes. Are 2.8 stars a 78, for example?
Thank you!
Thank you for another great video! May I ask, what is it that you detect that makes a wine “reduced”?
All kinds of sulphuric smells - burnt match, rubber, rotten egg, skunk (reduced rosé is vomit-inducing for me 🤮), etc. A bit of reduction on some whites can be nice, but anything that doesn’t go away after a couple of seconds is a flaw, in my book.
I should do a video on that topic...
Congratulations for the channel. When can you give us a Portuguese wines taste? Cheers
Eheh. Keep trying. I think we don't have regions relevant enough to deserve attention (except Port of course). It's funny. I was listening to a pod cast from an american journalist that mentioned the Encruzado white wine as one of the best but people in the States wasn't buying it because normaly it costs less thah 10$.
Interesting, as I was almost expecting the lower rated wines to be better than the others you reviewed on the assumption that the more highly rated wines are created more for a general audience. Great vid!
Thanks!
This video is amazing and proves once again that Vivino is very useful for people who are not experts in wine but do love to experiment good ones. Of course this channel is awesome and the videos are amazing but the ratings are going to be different between Konstantin and Vivino's users. Konstantin tastes the finest wines in this world thanks to his profession, his palate is used to the best wines which ours aren't. I wont be using Konstantin's ratings as a reference but his knowledge is gold! Thanks a lot Konstantin.
Only found this channel recently and absolutely love the content and down to earth nature.
I grew up in South Africa, then moved to Paris and now London. I worked in many restaurants in South Africa and I find it very disappointing to see so few of the great wines making their way into Europe. Many of the major producers are capable of running large scale export businesses and it saddens me to think that South Africa is so criminally underrated as a wine region within Europe.
Tokara Telos
Thelema mountain vineyard merlot is pretty great value/quality and comes to mind. Though I honestly haven’t had many wines from South Africa that I remember.
One of my more recent ones I've had recently is a Vivino rating 4.4 I believe. It's Paratus Cabernet Sauvignon (2014) out of Mount Veeder, CA. It was incredible!
Actually the Italico Riesling is widely cultivated in Brazil for use in sparkling wines. The results are really good.
Is it? Interesting!
Love your channel!
Ah Yellowtail. Genuinely awful. There is a reason why it is sold here in Australia for $7 a bottle. I use it in cooking but that’s about all it is good for.
What about sacred hill de bortoli, how would you rate them
Bill Naova I’ve never had that one. For $6, probably can’t complain. de Bortoli do some great wines though. They produce 350,000 dozen a year, so a big producer and one of the oldest in the Yarra Valley.
7 dollars for cheap damn
it is the standard terrible wine at an event where they serve wine but don't want anyone getting anywhere near intoxicated.
I really hate Yellowtail with a passion but one thing that I have to give them is that I never had one that was seriously flawed, like corked or anything. They produce consistent medium-low quality wines, like an efficient but soulless factory.
Great pair of videos. I wonder what you think about CellarTracker scores vs Vivino. I've found so many Vivino scores where the person thinks they're reviewing a white wine when its actually a red & vice versa. I've never found any similar mistakes on CellarTracker.
Thanks. I will make a video on that!
great video!
do a video on primitivo please!
I would love to see a review of the Sonoma-Cutrer wines. They make a Chardonnay and a Pinot Noir, both in the $20-$30 range that seem really good to me for the money.
Good idea!
Very funny and interesting video. Vivino can be good if used wisely, but however there are a lot opinions of people that do not have a great understanding! Overall, it can be useful as an indication!
Konstantin - good videos. I have a challenge for you. Go to Egypt, and taste their wines and rate them. When I moved to Egypt I asked an Italian about Egyptian wine (only thing you can buy locally), his response was "It's better than no wine". Curious to see your view!
Sounds interesting!
Hi Konstantin - Would you happen to have any recommendations for a book on wine growing? What's iconic? Or, perhaps this would make an interesting vid?
Yes, I should do one on books.
Maybe you could make a video on some dessert wines, it seems there aren't many videos about that type of wine. I actually never bought a dessert wine myself and I wouldn't know how to best pair it with food, but I had an nice one in a restaurant a few weeks ago and it sparked my interest.
Ice wines are quite tasty and syrupy. Plus they're in small bottles which make more sense to me.
You owe it to yourself to taste some port then! I also hadn’t tried many dessert wines before, and now I’m in love with them, especially port. A good sweet wine can be the dessert all by itself, or you can pair it with confectionery, cheeses or fruit. Ideally, the wine will be sweeter than the dish, although this isn’t always possible.
Good idea!
Hi! I really enjoy your videos! A wine from Vivino I would really like if you tried is: Edizione Cinque Autoctoni. It has a 4.3 stars, which means it should be great. But after drinking it, I was so disopointed. Please try it and give us your review
Thanks!
You should review Meiomi Pinot Noir from California, I would be very interested in your review.
Another entertaining video, thanks.
Hopefully I will never have a need to try these wines I think it’s great you sacrificed your palate for our entertainment, Danke sehr.
P.S. I joined Vivino back in 2007 at the insistence of my colleagues at the office, very subjective ratings but useful when out for dinner.
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I love Zweigelt, quite an underrated grape, not a long time ago i try a 1999 Beerenauslele, really interesting and now i'm looking forward to drink the other bottle i have, Zweigelt Eiswein 1997.
Cool!!
Now I know what to give as a gift!😁😁😁
Which wine are you going to give?
I would love to hear what you say about the San Marzano Sessantanni Primitivo di Manduria. It has a 4.5 Star rating on Vivino, people love it (including lots of my friends) but I think it's too sweet and highly overrated...
Can you do some Negru de Dragasani wine, can be Avincis or Stirbey, danke
Hallo Konstantin Im from south africa and yea I would like you to taste the following wine from South Africa as its one of my favorites: Springfield Estate The Work of Time
Have never tried retsina, because to me this isn't actually wine at all because according to my personal definition wine isn't wine anymore if you have added something (Yes I know there are also some additives in normal wine like sluphur but I think you know what I mean) and your video didn't increase my curiosity on retsina but nice to watch anyway.
Can't really answer your question of the day because I am not on vivino very often.
Apart from that congratulations to you for 10.000 subscribers!
You should try it though ... it can be good!
Fun video, thanks for taking several for the team (not that I would have tried any of these anyway). It´s somewhat amazing to me that they can grow grapes, make a decent wine, ship it from South Africa and sell it for $4. Land costs, growing the grapes, picking the grapes, pressing, fermenting, aging, bottling, costs of the bottle, cap, cardboard for the case, label, shipping across the ocean, distribution, stocking in the store...it boggles the mind.
I agree. I dont think that the producer is making a profit at this price.
Please review Sansonina Evaluna! Excellent wine (imo) from a small vineyard in Italy.
Thanks
Would love your opinion on Muralhas de Monção Vinho Verde (the white not the rose). I love this wine. In Portugal it sells for about three euros. I don’t know how they do it. Maybe I just have a taste for cheap wines but would like to know what you think. Also Esporão private selection 2011 tinto. Not so cheap but a beautiful wine. What a nose! Los your channel keep it up.
Thanks!
Wines with a vivino rating of 3 are not that bad, they are rather acceptable (imho). We normally start pouring wine down the drain at a rating
The difference between white and red wine scores is interesting and it is completely in sync with my personal experience - whenever I visit a place where I suspect they serve bad wine, I always choose red wine because I find bad red wines more bearable than bad white wines. Is there any expert explanation of this phenomenon?
There are many explanations. Reds usually come last in a tasting or a menu and are therefore considered the highlight. They are often more expensive to make and in certain markets like China they are considered to be more valuable because of their colour. There was a time when white sweet wines were more expensive.
Hi, i´m from Chile, i also work on the wine industry and i just tried one of the best wines i ever tasted, i hope you can enjoy it some day... is the Icon wine from Maquis Vignard called FRANCO, it´s a Cabernet Franc, very especial...Cheers!
Cooler channel Konstantin 👍
Wie wäre es mal mit einem griechischen Lineup? Wäre cool zu sehen 😁✌️
Stimmt!
11:44 PSA: Combining paracetamol and alcohol can seriously damage the liver.
If I may, I'd like to suggest a topic for your next vídeo!
As Brazilians love Argentina's wine (because of the price we can get them here) you could record your critics about them.
Great suggestion!
I don't usually watch wine tasting videos since many are too pretentious. I enjoy your style of wine tasting, you don't take yourself too seriously.
To try a proper expressio of Cot (Malbec) reccomed Perez Cruz
I just decided to never even open the Vivino website. - Alexander Borg
You should have a look ... it is eye openeing
If you’re going to taste more SA wines I recommend you get your hands on some Rust en Vrede Syrah, Delaire Graff Reserve Cabernet etc.
Certainly no MW but at least aspiring WSET4 Student who lived in Stellenbosch for a while.
Grüsse aus der Schweiz
Thanks!
Why is it hard to give bad wine low scores? The Il Bianco you sampled you mentioned tasted absolutely like nothing, yet you still gave it a score over 70. How come? Thank you in advance-- I love this channel!
Wine scores tend to start at the 70s with faults possibly bringing it lower.
Hey Konstantin, I was wondering how it comes that you described the wines mire or less as "not drinkable" but you gave them quite high parker points. According to what you said, I expected points around 50 to 60
Is it connected to the pricing of the wine? A mediocre wine with a great price is maybe a good thing, as opposed to a little better wine that is very overpriced....
I appreciate your expertise! I do have to say however that I cringed when I saw you swirl the sparkling wine (shouldn't be done unless your trying to remove the bubbles).
Have you rated any boxed wines?
I'd be very interested in hearing your opinion on those (available in the US)
I might do a boxed wine tasting. On the swirling point - I do think that it is important to swirl sparkling wines in order to be able to smell them. The loss of CO2 is not a big issue when assessing the wine as you can determine the CO2 level with the first sip.
In terms of South African wines please see if you can find Delaire Graff Botmaskop and Meerlust Rubicon. Also give Beyerskloof Diesel Pinotage a try.
I'm always curious about a vintage and various producers and how they compare. Like 2016 brunello di montalcino. Vivino users rank almost all of them similar yet I find big differences!
Or even the different years 2015 vs 2016.
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Yes, there are big differences
I'm not sure whether the scores you mentioned were the overall scores across all vintages, or score of the vintage that you're tasting (I would assume the former, because I don't think these wines have that many ratings for each vintage).
but I've seen in vivino that some wines have totally different score for different vintages, especially if the vintage was good or bad in the region.
with that said, I request a clip talking about your insights and opinions about vintages (how much it matters, and vintage scores from RP, WE, WS, etc.)
Thank you!
Good idea!
Amazing content! Brazilian's are very into Vivino and it is awful to see how they rely on it for the (bad) wine choices! Kkk
I'm Brazilian and I totaly agree with you.
Interesting!
If you ever want to taste a really nice Chilean Malbec, the Altamana Grande Reserve Malbec is delicious, and great value as well. More of an old world style, akin to Cahors.
My problem with Vivino is the wide descriptions of wine. You can tell when a serious wine person gives a review, but often a review says “Too Sweet” while another says “Too Dry”🤔
Maybe you could review Knewitz Chardonnay Holzfass, one of my fav wine right now?☺️ Danke!
Great wine!
Konstantin Baum - Master of Wine Indeed! 🥂
Could you do a video on North American grape hybrids and varietals?
That would be interesting
I think white and rose wines get overlooked in the wine community. You should a Pinot Grigio test where you try different Pinot Grigios at different price points (from high volume to small production level).
Interesting idea!
First like of the video..cmon guys..deserves a lot more
Thanks!
It's pretty interesting how it's hard to find really low scores on Vivino. I think there's a lot of wines on there that have scores they don't deserve. You should review the Apothic Inferno... would love to hear what you think.
I suspect a lot of bad wines have inflated ratings because they're loaded with sugar, and people like sugar.
Apothic? Why torture him so much?
@@daviddyckman I agree that we shouldn't torture him. The Apothic has a decent score on Vivino... but the people need to know the truth!
@@nickwatson8641 Agree. It's unfortunate
Sounds interesting ...
Plese try the Farnese Edizione Cinque Autoctoni. 4.3 rating, almost 60k ratings and not cheap at around 22€. Yet, i was so overwhelmed with the flavors and it tasted so manipulated and manually improved. Maybe i need new tastebuds and would love to hear your opinion. Thanks
Interesting
Is that a Descorchados stamp on the top of the bottle?
You might enjoy doing a review of a BrightCellars box. I've heard terrible things but their advertising is everywhere.
Interesting!
vinology .... 10% (personal) taste and 90% snobbery ... and for guiding you through that 10% you've got guys like Konstantin ... good video
Be careful when you stand up you might step on a cork or screw cup ;).... joke aside I really enjoy watching your videos!!!
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Please try the Hans Greyl Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand. It has a 4.2 rating (top 1% wines in the world) and is distributed by Vivino (and some supermarkets like Edeka) for 7€. I found it a bit bland and would really appreciate your opinion.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Wondering if you would ever review boxed wine? I know wine is surging in sales right now and I'll bet it's in large part to boxed wine. Are any reputable people doing it? Does the bag hurt flavor? Are there any worth it? Lots of boxed wine questions!
Interesting Topic !
Try Snajper o smaku gorzkim, available in Dino for 6,49 PLN/900ml
Can you make a video on the German wine classification system? It's sooooooo confusing for me!
Great idea!
Can't say this was my favorite episode. I cringed as you had to taste those wines. I once sold the Caliterra wines. I believe It started out as a Mondavi-Chadwick project, then acquired by Jackson Family Estates perhaps for distribution in the US. It's Colchagua Valley and part of it is aged in 2nd and 3rd passage oak for 7-9 months. The Cenit and Tribute part of the line are much better. I had retsina once and that was once too many. I hear most of it is sold to the CIA for their black site interrogations...very effective! How about one on classic terroir reflective examples from the major French, Italian, Spanish etc top appellations. Good video but my condolences to your palate!
Try best orange wines of vivino next 👍👍
Good idea!
Do a tasting of Chianti wines please. Thank you.
Yes! & at all levels - basic, classico, riserva, gran seleczione (sp?) - not lumped in together.
Chianti is worst wine from italy. Just use it to wash your foot.
@@seminky5341 then why don’t you do a tasting of the “better” wines from Italy. By the way, I disagree with your assessment!
Good idea!
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine Chianti vs Brunello. All level, classico, riserva, Grand selezion, including rosso montalcino (put up against chiati classico). What do you say?
WOW ... that was one of the funniest videos here on TH-cam I watched in a while.
Thx for that
Thank you!
Vivino best value wines. I've recently enjoyed Desire Lush & Zin Primitivo by Pasqua Vigneti e Cantine. Phenomenal value.
Thanks!
I use Vivino to help me not buy again a wine I gave a low score in the past, could not care less for the overall score. I have scored a few 1 or 1,5 stars, most are between 2,5 and 3,5 stars, and rarely score a 4,5 or 5.
Thanks.
Vivino has California cabernet sauvignon wines rated 4.4 for under 30 dollars. So far I've agreed with the consensus of reviewers. By contrast in an email I got today from Vivino were well known Bordeaux that were lower rated and stupid expensive. I had all but two of these wines in my cellar from top rated years 89 and 90 I sold off through Sotheby’s. I much prefer California wines. Superb wines Vivino sells at killer prices and free shipping in the US for orders of 150 dollars or more. For 6 dollars a case they'll pack it with ice which is good in the summer. I'm a happy customer.
Interesting
OMG...Laughing about the comment of how bland it is and just drinking it to get drunk...Thanks for listening to our input...Still waiting for a Sauvignon Blanc tasting from you in the moderate price range please $30 and under??
Glad you liked it!
10,000 subscriptions August 2021... Jump to Jan 2023, now 107,000 subs! Well done.
Would you tell us what the glass is you use?
Riedel Veritas Champagne. I made a few videos on glasses.