Lucky Louis wasn't a great show in my opinion and I'm a huge CK fan. He spoke at length afterwards about his view on it and acknowledged why it wasn't received so well. They were going for a honeymooners style with a pared back set and people didn't get it, the live studio audience was outdated at that point and people thought it was canned laughter. Some of the acting was really poor, in fact Jimmy's performance was absolutely shit and he discussed how bad of an actor he is himself numerous times. Louis explained that there was a bit over-production at play too which was overworking the script and the punchlines, the writers room though talented was not producing a better end product and dealing with a complicated layers of staff and beurocracy was getting in the way of Louis' ability to execute on the vision. Louis on FX ended up being the show that Louis wanted to make - it's a lot of the same premises and content, but shot and delivered in the way he wanted, without a large studio networks interference and it shows. It's far superior and the ratings and reviews showed that. I don't think Jimmy and Louis are on speaking terms any more either, in fact I'm pretty sure Louis' material about "finding out who your real friends are" was proabbly written with Norton in mind. During Louis's scandal and before the facts came out and we could all see the nuance involved Jimmy was saying on air about how "You never really know someone" and how "We don't want to believe that we've been so wrong about a person". They guy's a spineless little worm who can't take even the slightest criticism. I couldn't be happier he's ended up in obscurity doing some dogshit satellite radio with Sam Roberts.
Jimmy really can’t take criticism on something, if he’s involved in it. He defended that Brendan Frazier movie in which he had one (maybe two lines?) at the most.
@@SmokingGun4570exactly, just because you’re on Leno doesn’t mean you can’t see that Conan was screwed over by Leno. Conan was clearly the better host, Leno had great ratings from being left on all day on TVs in retirement home cafeterias 😂
Jim fiercely defended Louie until Louie couldn’t help his career anymore. Shameful. Lucky Louie sucked btw. Jim wasn’t really mad at the critic, he was mad because in the back of his mind, he knew the show wasn’t the masterpiece he was trying to convince himself it was
@tbewin1z143 he knew lucky louis was a run-of-the mill hack sitcom that he would have bashed the industry ad nauseum for if he wasn't involved in it. He's lying that he thought the show didn't suck just like He's lying he believes his husband is a woman
@@tbewin1z143 so what? The show sucked. No one watched it. It was cancelled. It didnt make him laugh and then jim tries to argue it funny. Usually the sign of something not funny.
@viper100200 the show was good. Cause ppl didn't watch it doesn't mean much. At the time Mencia and Dane Cook were selling out stadiums, where are they now? What's funny and what studios think people find funny are different. It wasn't the best show but it wasn't bad by any means
Yep he probably figured he was going to go round and round until he hung up. It’s showbiz, the critic knows Jim has to stand up for Louie on his national radio program, it’s part of the grift.
@@_..-.._..-.._ Yes. The critics have been trashing the best art for all of time. Artists don't perform for critics. They perform for the people. Critics are mostly failed artists that anoint themselves experts. Totally useless. If you need other people to tell you what is good you're an NPC.
Funny how nowadays, Lucky Louie has been mostly buried and everyone pretends it never happened. I got through half an episode when I randomly stumbled upon it, that show sucked.
Jimmy has always infuriated me with his ‘You’re not a real comic if you can’t take some heat’ personality, yet, will verbally bite your throat out the second you, respectfully, tell him “I’m not a big fan of the stand up, but you’re funny on o&a.” Yikes. It’s literally like listening to the popular theater kid in HS not get the lead part and they sit at lunch going on a tangent about how shitty the school is.
If this were that Whackbag msg board circa like 05’ their only response would be “you sat at lunch next to theater queers? You f*g” (probably should’ve starred out the other one too 😂)
Same with Ant. Anthony was ruthless at times and couldn’t ever HEAR someone have a different political view than him or hear a clip of a news show without screaming and crying like a PMSing hole. Opie too, they were all insecure babies.
@@Gardenhoser86exactly, I don’t miss the casual homophobia of the 90’s and early 2000’s. It doesn’t offend me, it was just the least funny way to attack any other man for anything, just 3rd grade level insults. The Anthony lovers still do that on YT comments lol.
The funny thing is, that the caller around 23:00 has a point about almost all sitcoms (funny as they might be) revolve around the same kind of jokes, surroundings etc. But actually when Lois CK made "Louie", he created a new fresh take on the whole sitcom-language! Just what the caller wanted!
The Office is a stolen show? It’s a reimagining for an American audience overseen by Gervais himself. Keep in mind, Jimmy also thought Sunday Bloody Sunday from U2 was ripped off from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.
He’s not a smart man. Or a talented one. Or a funny one even anymore. Can’t wait for still more chip. A character that was done better by my elementary school classmates many decades ago
"Reimagined" is just another word for rip off, are you actually trying to unironically use a marketing term as if it means something other then what it's an obvious euphemism for? And it's not a matter of it being literally stolen, like Steve Carrel broke into the BBC or something, it's that it's not original at all, far less then Lucky Louie is. This point isn't really that hard to understand if you're not someone who's a fan of the American version of The Office (ie a moron).
Jimmy this whole clip is him saying "I'm not gonna come at him for not finding it funny" followed by him immediately bitching at him for not finding it funny and then saying he hopes he dies 😂 Jimmy was realy trying to talk people into thinking what he does
Jimmy slamming the movie reviewer for protecting the Star Ledger critic is pretty funny since Jimmy and all other comedians run cover for eachother no matter what
I love little Jimmy, but he was such a whiny baby in this clip. WHO CARES if The Office is "stolen", as long as it makes ppl laugh? I was totally on the critic's side and he made great points. Jimmy just yelled at him for having an unfavorable opinion of his show
Big time, Norton complained about the caller trying to put words into his mouth and then he tried to put words into the critics mouth with the stuff about Kramer being an annoying wacky neighbour. He desperately wanted the guy to be offended but he wasn't so had nowhere to go with his points
@@alexanderrose1071 the critic admitted they were being hypocritical AND totally missed the point of the WHY joke; is there a contingent of fans that turned on Jimmy like they did Opie or something?
The critic hung up after realising it's a waste of time. Jimmy was acting like lucky Louie was a masterpiece that no one can criticise. And to say that Kramer sliding in through the door was not funny ... I mean that's not all he did in the show was just slide but he kept repeating that one example over and over even after getting an answer. Jesus that was painful to listen to.
I have to be honest, that critic made Jimmy look like a fool. The critic hung up because it was a waste of time. Two people arguing different opinions. Kramer WAS great. I’m not a huge Friends fan but for Jimmy to say he’s never seen ONE episode that made him laugh would mean he either never watched the show, never wanted to laugh at it before seeing it, or just wanted to disagree with the critic. The office may have been “stolen” but who cares. Most people in the US haven’t seen the British office and on top of that, Americans have a different style and sense of humor. Nah Jimmy just came off looking real bad here.
Jimmy is so wrong here lol he said kramer wasnt funny and chastised a reviewer for his opinion what a dope. Lucky Louie was awful it wasnt funny and looked like shit. Even if that was the idea the idea sucked
Angry Jimmy is one of my favorites and I love when he flips out on callers but oof…. This was just uncomfortable. His feelings were hurt, plain and simple. And no one could have convinced him otherwise at that point. 🤦🏻♀️ Bleh.
Jimmy shouldn’t be upset that Lucky Louie was garbage, Louis and Jimmy can be great like in Louie on FX but it took Louis CK demanding to do the show exactly how he wanted to. Louis admits that he let HBO have too many changes and inputs on LL and that caused it to be some weird hodge-podge mix of Married with Children and King of Queens. It wanted to be true to life like KOQ but have wackiness like MWC and it didn’t work. Yimmy is a baby.
I don't know if I feel worse for the critic who had to defend his position or for the people in the studio who had to pretend that "Lucky Louie" was funny.
I truly think that Jimmy is the best at arguing and taking circles around people. The problem with this is he was too blinded by the opportunity of fame that he couldn’t take criticism at all. That’s why he lost this argument. Truth is lucky Louie just wasn’t that good and jimmy couldn’t see that because he wanted it to be great.
@@shinybeast8946 to say that there are at least four episodes from a multi-season, highly rated network sitcom that are funnier then a one season show like Lucky Louie isn't really that much of a grasp.
Jim really was worked up. You can't go at critics saying things like "without impunity", because that gives 'em every reason to strawman you if they bother to come back at all.
I generally love Jimmy Norton and hate critics, but oof, this was not a good debate for Norton at all. You can tell Norton is trying to trash the critic's taste by insinuating he's a fan of Friends, but the critic never said he was a fan of Friends, so I'm not sure why Norton kept bringing it up. And the argument Norton makes that The (U.S.) Office can't be good because it was taken from a British sitcom is pretty ridiculous considered All in the Family and Sanford & Son were both lifted from British sitcoms as well. To play devil's advocate, the critic could have done a much better job explaining why certain comedies are funny, instead of giving the generic "if it makes me laugh, it's good" line.
The guy that used to deliver the Star Ledger in my neighborhood in the 90s turned out to be the guy that committed over 30 burglaries in the same neighborhood.
The person I really feel sorry for is Pamela Adlon, who played Louie's wife on the show. She was also the voice of Bobby Hill and has done voices for many other cartoon and video game characters. She and Louie went on to create the FX series Better Things which aired from 2015 to 2022. I like her. I DON'T like Louie! EDIT: I just learned that the Toto song "Pamela" was about her, I never knew that before!
This is a prime example of how the show (Opie included in a major way) appeased the holy f outta Jimmy and really went outta their way to promote his outside crap, when most other radio shows would not be so kind. I still to this day will not get the level of hostility he showed Opie at the end there fr.
I love Jimmy, but I have to agree with the critic here. I liked Lucky Louie, but it was a bit clunky and dull at times. I enjoyed it enough to watch through and it has some hilarious moments, but it's not one I go back to. C.K.'s second show, Louie, is much better in my opinion and remains one of my all-time favorites.
Always used to Crack me up how poorly Jimmy used to handle criticism. Made for great radio. I get the sense he's more even keeled now. Squares aren't gonna like that type of shit, maaaaaaan
This guy gave his reasons & Jim just completely dismissed him. Jim was just to thin skinned about this. It’s not like the same lame comment of “This show sucks” with no follow up reason as to why. When you say “This is a good show/movie people hardly question you. But say “this show/movie sucks because….” you’ll easily get questioned. And most that do get offended are hard to argue with. It’s not about convincing that person/people to change their mind. It’s about understanding why they don’t like something. Again your reasons are opinion based.
I've written and deleted two comments. They started on topic and quickly degenerated into telling you all (again) how much I despise Opie and the reasons why. So, third time's the charm. I love Jimmy and I thought his work in Lucky Louie was really solid. And people who work in the arts shouldn't feel they can't engage with critics. But Jim's vitriolic response to negative critiques is a tacit admission that his feelings are hurt. There's an old saying amongst thesps that "those who cannot do review". It's a flippant line, but it sometimes holds true. But unless the reviewer is clearly coming after the production with a view to ruining it, you generally just have to suck it up. I know that Louis felt as if some critics were doing just that, because some of the criticism was so visceral that it was reflected in the venom of their critiques. Lucky Louie was not an easy ride for audiences, and some critics. The problem with the critics' gig is that they are working to a deadline and don't have time for nuance. So if they watch three screeners plus god knows what else in a week, chances are your form-bending 18+ multi-camera studio sitcom is not going to get the finely limned critique it deserves. You just have to suck it up and move on, sometimes.
I'd say you have a point, but I absolutely disagree with the guy's opinion of the "Why?" scene, and his idiotic "four letter words" comment. Jimmy hit the nail on the head when he said "That's just how people talk." It's refreshing to see a sitcom use that kind of language completely uncensored, and I'd disagree with anyone who said that language was overused. That is how people talk, and if you think it's overused in this show, you're probably far more sensitive than the target audience. Not to mention the *blatant* dishonesty of this cunt when he implies the studio audience's laughter is awkward and forced. He deserves most, if not all, of Jimmy's rage during this segment.
You using the phrase "comically bad" to describe a bad sitcom for some reason made me think of a joke by an old comedian from the UK called Bob Monkhouse. His joke was: "They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a stand-up comedian... well they're not laughing now..."
I’m only 7 minutes in and jimmy is already making it unlistenable. Jimmy going off on someones looks is rich. I tried watching lucky Louie but didn’t think much of it, his other show Louie was fucking great/I love his standup. Not everything is a hit and Jimmy sounds unbelievably douchy so far
Petty Jim was really in his element here
My favorite character.
Lucky Louis wasn't a great show in my opinion and I'm a huge CK fan. He spoke at length afterwards about his view on it and acknowledged why it wasn't received so well. They were going for a honeymooners style with a pared back set and people didn't get it, the live studio audience was outdated at that point and people thought it was canned laughter. Some of the acting was really poor, in fact Jimmy's performance was absolutely shit and he discussed how bad of an actor he is himself numerous times.
Louis explained that there was a bit over-production at play too which was overworking the script and the punchlines, the writers room though talented was not producing a better end product and dealing with a complicated layers of staff and beurocracy was getting in the way of Louis' ability to execute on the vision.
Louis on FX ended up being the show that Louis wanted to make - it's a lot of the same premises and content, but shot and delivered in the way he wanted, without a large studio networks interference and it shows. It's far superior and the ratings and reviews showed that.
I don't think Jimmy and Louis are on speaking terms any more either, in fact I'm pretty sure Louis' material about "finding out who your real friends are" was proabbly written with Norton in mind. During Louis's scandal and before the facts came out and we could all see the nuance involved Jimmy was saying on air about how "You never really know someone" and how "We don't want to believe that we've been so wrong about a person".
They guy's a spineless little worm who can't take even the slightest criticism. I couldn't be happier he's ended up in obscurity doing some dogshit satellite radio with Sam Roberts.
What's the matter baby boy?
Jimmy really can’t take criticism on something, if he’s involved in it. He defended that Brendan Frazier movie in which he had one (maybe two lines?) at the most.
The kind of movie he’d blow up about being “terrible garbage and the problem with the industry” if he wasn’t involved with it
Or during the Conan-Leno thing when Jimmy was shitting on Conan because Jim goes on Leno
I went into this wanting to hate the reviewer but he actually made completely fair points. I love CK, but I never thought lucky louie was that great.
I like Jimmy but Lucky Louie stank on ice..
@@SmokingGun4570exactly, just because you’re on Leno doesn’t mean you can’t see that Conan was screwed over by Leno. Conan was clearly the better host, Leno had great ratings from being left on all day on TVs in retirement home cafeterias 😂
I like Jimmy, but he comes off bad here. Just take the criticism worm.
Gene Ryan the fact that you called him a worm shows how much you really love Yimmy!!
It was a fucking great show.
I mean he probably worked his ass off on that fucking show
Yea. Lucky Loui was okay but his next show was when he was really ready.
Not if it comes from a douche who thinks Sex and The City is a great programme
Jim fiercely defended Louie until Louie couldn’t help his career anymore. Shameful. Lucky Louie sucked btw. Jim wasn’t really mad at the critic, he was mad because in the back of his mind, he knew the show wasn’t the masterpiece he was trying to convince himself it was
no, he was mad at the critic, who turned out to be a major douche that contradicted himself
I tried Lucky Louie and it was god awful. It just wasnt funny and way too much male dicks hahaha it stunk and it was gay
@tbewin1z143 he knew lucky louis was a run-of-the mill hack sitcom that he would have bashed the industry ad nauseum for if he wasn't involved in it. He's lying that he thought the show didn't suck just like He's lying he believes his husband is a woman
@@tbewin1z143 so what? The show sucked. No one watched it. It was cancelled. It didnt make him laugh and then jim tries to argue it funny. Usually the sign of something not funny.
@viper100200 the show was good. Cause ppl didn't watch it doesn't mean much. At the time Mencia and Dane Cook were selling out stadiums, where are they now?
What's funny and what studios think people find funny are different. It wasn't the best show but it wasn't bad by any means
The reviewer was completely correct, Jim got annoyed because he wanted at the time to be the new Kramer
how was the reviewer correct?
Very few critics are ever correct.
@@mr.brenman2132well this guy was. Terrible terrible show, and i like o&a.
@@viper100200 You watched Lucky Louie in 2006?
Maybe the critic hangs up because he thought the record he was arguing with broke
Yep he probably figured he was going to go round and round until he hung up. It’s showbiz, the critic knows Jim has to stand up for Louie on his national radio program, it’s part of the grift.
Not sure how original your line is but it's a winner
@@Austinole11 Don't pretend that critics aren't complete zeroes.
@@mr.brenman2132 would you say that if your comments were critically acclaimed?
@@_..-.._..-.._ Yes. The critics have been trashing the best art for all of time. Artists don't perform for critics. They perform for the people. Critics are mostly failed artists that anoint themselves experts. Totally useless. If you need other people to tell you what is good you're an NPC.
Funny how nowadays, Lucky Louie has been mostly buried and everyone pretends it never happened. I got through half an episode when I randomly stumbled upon it, that show sucked.
I agree with almost everything the critic said
And the first caller
Yeah. I see no problem with anything he said.
The first caller was also a full time critic
Without O&A, Jimmy would be nobody.
Not gonna lie when yimmy actually went head to head with the critic he came off reallly bad in my opinion almost like a naive child
Because what he's trying to defend is shit. Lucky Louie was straight trash and he knew it
Hot take
Jimmys last line is so hypocritical. Lucky Louis stunk
Jimmy has always infuriated me with his ‘You’re not a real comic if you can’t take some heat’ personality, yet, will verbally bite your throat out the second you, respectfully, tell him “I’m not a big fan of the stand up, but you’re funny on o&a.” Yikes. It’s literally like listening to the popular theater kid in HS not get the lead part and they sit at lunch going on a tangent about how shitty the school is.
If this were that Whackbag msg board circa like 05’ their only response would be “you sat at lunch next to theater queers? You f*g” (probably should’ve starred out the other one too 😂)
Same with Ant. Anthony was ruthless at times and couldn’t ever HEAR someone have a different political view than him or hear a clip of a news show without screaming and crying like a PMSing hole. Opie too, they were all insecure babies.
@@Gardenhoser86exactly, I don’t miss the casual homophobia of the 90’s and early 2000’s. It doesn’t offend me, it was just the least funny way to attack any other man for anything, just 3rd grade level insults. The Anthony lovers still do that on YT comments lol.
20:06 Oof, that phonecall is just painful. You'd think a comedian would have thicker skin. I love Jimmy but Jesus Christ...
21:30 Opinions do differ. Jimmy's silence spoke volumes.
Umm, Kramer sliding in was God damn funny.
No way. That was the most annoying part of the show.
Chattingesque Ok, Mr.Norton
@@chattingesque372 you are an idiot
Plus he did more things than just slide in. Jimmy acts like that’s all he did.
Lucky Louie wasn’t all that great. It was a lot of set up and punchline. It seemed like they wanted a joke every 15 seconds.
The funny thing is, that the caller around 23:00 has a point about almost all sitcoms (funny as they might be) revolve around the same kind of jokes, surroundings etc. But actually when Lois CK made "Louie", he created a new fresh take on the whole sitcom-language! Just what the caller wanted!
Jimmy didn’t stand a chance against this guy lol
The Office is a stolen show? It’s a reimagining for an American audience overseen by Gervais himself. Keep in mind, Jimmy also thought Sunday Bloody Sunday from U2 was ripped off from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.
He’s not a smart man. Or a talented one. Or a funny one even anymore. Can’t wait for still more chip. A character that was done better by my elementary school classmates many decades ago
Shit show
"Reimagined" is just another word for rip off, are you actually trying to unironically use a marketing term as if it means something other then what it's an obvious euphemism for? And it's not a matter of it being literally stolen, like Steve Carrel broke into the BBC or something, it's that it's not original at all, far less then Lucky Louie is. This point isn't really that hard to understand if you're not someone who's a fan of the American version of The Office (ie a moron).
Please tell me Theres a clip of him saying that about u2 and sabbath somewhere
@@kdemarino5508 I randomly came across it listening to a jimmy hates everything a while back. He goes off/sounds silly talking about music
norton was abysmal on that show. lucky louie wasn't good or funny either. but if you watch jims acting its super cringeworthy
What have you been smoking? Lucky Louie was hilarious
And Jimmy was supposed to be cringeworthy and if you felt that when you watched it then he Fucking nailed it and lucky Louie was Fucking hilarious
@@Anfubvinch ooh yeah they say cunt and it’s a supposed to be a sitcom! that shock wears off in two seconds
Jimmy this whole clip is him saying "I'm not gonna come at him for not finding it funny" followed by him immediately bitching at him for not finding it funny and then saying he hopes he dies 😂 Jimmy was realy trying to talk people into thinking what he does
Jimmy slamming the movie reviewer for protecting the Star Ledger critic is pretty funny since Jimmy and all other comedians run cover for eachother no matter what
I love little Jimmy, but he was such a whiny baby in this clip. WHO CARES if The Office is "stolen", as long as it makes ppl laugh? I was totally on the critic's side and he made great points. Jimmy just yelled at him for having an unfavorable opinion of his show
By the way, “stolen”? Like it or hate it, the american and UK versions were two Completely different shows
It wasn’t stolen. Gervais and Merchant were executive producers on the reboot.
The Office UK and US versions were so different apart from the first series of the US show which were probably the worst episodes
The Critic: 1
Jimmy: 0
Yep
Big time, Norton complained about the caller trying to put words into his mouth and then he tried to put words into the critics mouth with the stuff about Kramer being an annoying wacky neighbour. He desperately wanted the guy to be offended but he wasn't so had nowhere to go with his points
not sure what you listened to
@@tbewin1z143 Jimmy massively complaining, and coming off poorly
@@alexanderrose1071 the critic admitted they were being hypocritical AND totally missed the point of the WHY joke; is there a contingent of fans that turned on Jimmy like they did Opie or something?
This guy really made them sound stupid. They lost this argument badly.
The critic knew his shit and was confident about it and sorry yimmy kramer has rich beat by a mile
the critic contradicted himself many times
I love how hard Jim defends a show that’s
A. Not even his
B. Not very funny
The critic hung up after realising it's a waste of time. Jimmy was acting like lucky Louie was a masterpiece that no one can criticise. And to say that Kramer sliding in through the door was not funny ... I mean that's not all he did in the show was just slide but he kept repeating that one example over and over even after getting an answer. Jesus that was painful to listen to.
Like how opie pushed the issue and got him on the phone he knew jimmy was gonna look stupid heres to our captain!!!!! Thanks ope
I have to be honest, that critic made Jimmy look like a fool. The critic hung up because it was a waste of time. Two people arguing different opinions. Kramer WAS great. I’m not a huge Friends fan but for Jimmy to say he’s never seen ONE episode that made him laugh would mean he either never watched the show, never wanted to laugh at it before seeing it, or just wanted to disagree with the critic. The office may have been “stolen” but who cares. Most people in the US haven’t seen the British office and on top of that, Americans have a different style and sense of humor. Nah Jimmy just came off looking real bad here.
Jimmy is so wrong here lol he said kramer wasnt funny and chastised a reviewer for his opinion what a dope. Lucky Louie was awful it wasnt funny and looked like shit. Even if that was the idea the idea sucked
Opie has been reading articles since he was 18.
Stop
Angry Jimmy is one of my favorites and I love when he flips out on callers but oof…. This was just uncomfortable. His feelings were hurt, plain and simple. And no one could have convinced him otherwise at that point. 🤦🏻♀️ Bleh.
Jimmy was cringe in lucky Louie
Yeah, he looked uncomfortable. Unnatural.
lucky louie was terrible... Jimmy can get offended if he wants but its the truth.
Jimmy shouldn’t be upset that Lucky Louie was garbage, Louis and Jimmy can be great like in Louie on FX but it took Louis CK demanding to do the show exactly how he wanted to. Louis admits that he let HBO have too many changes and inputs on LL and that caused it to be some weird hodge-podge mix of Married with Children and King of Queens. It wanted to be true to life like KOQ but have wackiness like MWC and it didn’t work. Yimmy is a baby.
I don't know if I feel worse for the critic who had to defend his position or for the people in the studio who had to pretend that "Lucky Louie" was funny.
I truly think that Jimmy is the best at arguing and taking circles around people. The problem with this is he was too blinded by the opportunity of fame that he couldn’t take criticism at all. That’s why he lost this argument. Truth is lucky Louie just wasn’t that good and jimmy couldn’t see that because he wanted it to be great.
The best compared to who? I’ve listened to him get nailed to the wall by several people
Furry Vengeance should’ve received best picture too! It was a masterpiece!!!!
The critic sounded very fair and had great points. The shows he mentioned that he liked are great. Jim sounds like a baby here
Friends, really?
@@shinybeast8946 to say that there are at least four episodes from a multi-season, highly rated network sitcom that are funnier then a one season show like Lucky Louie isn't really that much of a grasp.
@@stinghouseproductions8502 Friends was just a Seinfeld ripoff.
They really are the thinnest skinned “radio tough guys” jimmy got absolutely handled
Jim really was worked up. You can't go at critics saying things like "without impunity", because that gives 'em every reason to strawman you if they bother to come back at all.
I generally love Jimmy Norton and hate critics, but oof, this was not a good debate for Norton at all. You can tell Norton is trying to trash the critic's taste by insinuating he's a fan of Friends, but the critic never said he was a fan of Friends, so I'm not sure why Norton kept bringing it up. And the argument Norton makes that The (U.S.) Office can't be good because it was taken from a British sitcom is pretty ridiculous considered All in the Family and Sanford & Son were both lifted from British sitcoms as well.
To play devil's advocate, the critic could have done a much better job explaining why certain comedies are funny, instead of giving the generic "if it makes me laugh, it's good" line.
Aww, Jimmy is so sensitive.
Jimmy really comes off like Amy from Kitchen Nightmares here.
To all of the haters: Jimmy has GOD on his side!
I’d rather watch the last season of the office than Lucky Louie. Was is Colin Quinn that called it King of Queens with cursing?
I can smell the estrogen in your comment
The Unknown Physco lives with his mom.
The guy that used to deliver the Star Ledger in my neighborhood in the 90s turned out to be the guy that committed over 30 burglaries in the same neighborhood.
The person I really feel sorry for is Pamela Adlon, who played Louie's wife on the show. She was also the voice of Bobby Hill and has done voices for many other cartoon and video game characters. She and Louie went on to create the FX series Better Things which aired from 2015 to 2022. I like her. I DON'T like Louie! EDIT: I just learned that the Toto song "Pamela" was about her, I never knew that before!
This is a prime example of how the show (Opie included in a major way) appeased the holy f outta Jimmy and really went outta their way to promote his outside crap, when most other radio shows would not be so kind. I still to this day will not get the level of hostility he showed Opie at the end there fr.
LOL if its so good why last one season?? BTW Louie's FX show was brilliant.
2:44 opie pretending he didn’t love the mention
Lucky Louie another genius piece of comedy written by a true Mastermind just like pootytang😑😑😑
Oh yimmy is just butt hurt this guy doesn’t like the show he’s on haha he’s entitled to his opinion
That Dickens line ant through was something chip would say.
I love Jimmy, but I have to agree with the critic here. I liked Lucky Louie, but it was a bit clunky and dull at times. I enjoyed it enough to watch through and it has some hilarious moments, but it's not one I go back to. C.K.'s second show, Louie, is much better in my opinion and remains one of my all-time favorites.
6:54 "sniggering"
The office was incredible. But i loved lucky louie. Wasnt as good as louie but was the only show with a laugh track i can watch besides sienfield
Always used to Crack me up how poorly Jimmy used to handle criticism. Made for great radio. I get the sense he's more even keeled now. Squares aren't gonna like that type of shit, maaaaaaan
jimmy took a huge L
This guy gave his reasons & Jim just completely dismissed him. Jim was just to thin skinned about this.
It’s not like the same lame comment of “This show sucks” with no follow up reason as to why.
When you say “This is a good show/movie people hardly question you. But say “this show/movie sucks because….” you’ll easily get questioned. And most that do get offended are hard to argue with. It’s not about convincing that person/people to change their mind. It’s about understanding why they don’t like something. Again your reasons are opinion based.
I've written and deleted two comments. They started on topic and quickly degenerated into telling you all (again) how much I despise Opie and the reasons why. So, third time's the charm.
I love Jimmy and I thought his work in Lucky Louie was really solid. And people who work in the arts shouldn't feel they can't engage with critics. But Jim's vitriolic response to negative critiques is a tacit admission that his feelings are hurt.
There's an old saying amongst thesps that "those who cannot do review". It's a flippant line, but it sometimes holds true. But unless the reviewer is clearly coming after the production with a view to ruining it, you generally just have to suck it up.
I know that Louis felt as if some critics were doing just that, because some of the criticism was so visceral that it was reflected in the venom of their critiques. Lucky Louie was not an easy ride for audiences, and some critics. The problem with the critics' gig is that they are working to a deadline and don't have time for nuance. So if they watch three screeners plus god knows what else in a week, chances are your form-bending 18+ multi-camera studio sitcom is not going to get the finely limned critique it deserves.
You just have to suck it up and move on, sometimes.
Your comment STINKS and I DONT LIKE IT.
I have never seen the word 'limned' before, and I hate it
*suck it up and move on* from a guy apparently still angry at a radio host from (now) almost a decade ago . Nice work tiny man
god opie can't read
Rich Vos was meant to be in a very similar sounding sitcom where he played a guy who won the lottery. It was going to be called "Lucky Jewie"
Lucky louie really wasnt very good
Crybaby Jimmy
People don’t realise that comedians (and artists in general) are very sensitive to any negative feedback on their work.
I'd say you have a point, but I absolutely disagree with the guy's opinion of the "Why?" scene, and his idiotic "four letter words" comment. Jimmy hit the nail on the head when he said "That's just how people talk." It's refreshing to see a sitcom use that kind of language completely uncensored, and I'd disagree with anyone who said that language was overused. That is how people talk, and if you think it's overused in this show, you're probably far more sensitive than the target audience. Not to mention the *blatant* dishonesty of this cunt when he implies the studio audience's laughter is awkward and forced. He deserves most, if not all, of Jimmy's rage during this segment.
No, just the shitty ones. Bill burr or Carlin wouldn't act like this
And yet Jimmy loves to shit on EVERYTHING. He Eve had the nerve to trash DeNiro at one point… before his wormy ass started saw an opportunity with him
@@beastfromthemiddleeast6369 burr is a MO
Jimmy oh jimmy.... who cares what this guy thinks.
Why would they have opie read anything ever?
Louie is a legend, but Lucky Louie was comically bad
You using the phrase "comically bad" to describe a bad sitcom for some reason made me think of a joke by an old comedian from the UK called Bob Monkhouse. His joke was:
"They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a stand-up comedian... well they're not laughing now..."
@@radiusone216 That's pretty good. I never heard that one before.
Kramer storming through the door will always be 10 times funnier than anything ever on Lucky Louie that show was horrible
Jim looked bad here
Absolute unit
Louie was great. Lucky Louie kinda sucked. The critic wasnt astronomically off.
Typical case of having a minute mute point and getting carried away and becoming the bad guy. There were flaws in his critique but jim was unbearable
I’m only 7 minutes in and jimmy is already making it unlistenable. Jimmy going off on someones looks is rich. I tried watching lucky Louie but didn’t think much of it, his other show Louie was fucking great/I love his standup. Not everything is a hit and Jimmy sounds unbelievably douchy so far
Well he’s never been a very mature man haha
Oh Jimmy…
Just watch Lucky Louie few weeks ago... it wasn't that good tbh.
Louie was a superb comedy series, lucky Louie sucked balls
Allen did nothing wrong.
I don't care that the critic didn't like Lucky Louie, but it was disgraceful that he liked Sex And The City.
Am I the only one that thinks that Jimmy held his own here? He pointed out the reviewers inconsistencies.
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@@matturner6890!
Why you all hate on Jimmy so much?? He is a killer comic and great radio guy
Cool
Honestly I'm with Jimmy on this one
Im with the critic
@@wilmcl9209why?
20:12 argument begins
Lucky Louie is an awful show
It's strange, reading the comments. When did people turn on Jimmy and pretend Lucky Louie wasn't a great show?
Lucky Louie stunk on ice
Louie was a great show, Lucky Louie sucked.