I read the book about Scotty Bowers. Tons of names dropped and my jaw dropped more than once. What really surprised me was how easygoing his co-workers were towards sex in general. But then again, many of them had served in WWII, so engaging in something that was fun for a little pay probably seemed like a no-brainer.
I met Scotty a few times when he appeared on a show I was working on about a year before he passed away. He was about 187 years old but still sharp and funny. Super sweet guy. “Everything was 20 bucks!” Haha
My first introduction to you both and I'm mightily impressed. You're funny, natural, engaging and offer intelligent, articulate and thoughtful insights that are impressive for such young folk. Makes me want to run out and buy a Helix mattress. I look forward to more of your episodes.
I love hearing your podcast about older Hollywood stars. I have listed to a couple, after I heard about you two. Keep up the great work and as always enjoying yo both here on you-tube. Love you guys,
Still love your laughs! You guys are the very best! The two of you would make GREAT STAND UP comedy dudes, i.e., the Hanz & Franz for current times. Keep on making us laugh, please.
Scottie Bowers was a free pansexual person and helped people to live their sexuaility freely at a time when everything was forbbiden and appear conventional. His contacts and services were much needed at a time when sex was (wrongly) to be hidden.
The major point missed, which is common among younger readers/bloggers, is how taboo homosexuality is even TODAY in show business. We know several actors and singers today who are currently in fake relationships/marriages. Back then however, you were labeled "sexual deviant" and could possibly face severe harassment including loss of job and housing and possible arrest depending on where you lived.
Yes! I've been waiting for this! So good, guys. Such a thorough and nuanced discussion of a VERY complex and fascinating man. There's so much to talk about and you kept things concise but didn't miss any of the juicy tidbits. I love these Old Hollywood topics (like your Tab & Tony episode) digging into the complicated truth behind the glossy veneer the public was force-fed. I think it honors those lives to actually discuss their richness and fullness in a comprehensive and inclusive way. It also helps restore some of the history that has been swept under the rug or hidden to conform to a conservative narrative that just wasn't accurate to how people existed then or how they exist today. I think it's invaluable to expose this uncensored version of history so that people know we were always and will always be here! Thank you so much for this. Loved every second of it.
I think I’m pulled in both directions. On one hand, it’s up to those individuals to come out or not, on the other hand, there was nothing wrong with any of it. And the conservative narrative that’s always been pushed needs to come down so everybody will realize people need to be able to be who they are.
Hello, first of all, I want to say I love old movies from the 1920s to the early 1960s. Also, I adore anything and everything on old Hollywood. It's very fascinating. So sorry for the blog comment! LOL! Ok! back in the beginning of Hollywood in the 1900s, to the golden era of Hollywood, and even beyond, it was a very, very liberal anything goes place. Everything was accepted. I communicated with a couple of Hollywood insiders who I'm not at liberty to say who they are. One of them wrote and worked in the Hollywood industry with some actors. She said a man who did a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff in the film industry said, the 1960s was nothing compared to what we were like in Hollywood in the 1930s. He said it got extremely wild. This same lady said a friend of hers knew Scotty Bowers and he said Scotty is full of it! There were a lot of gay and bisexual people in the Golden Era of Hollywood, but they were terrified that it would leak out to the public, so they usually had sex with other actors and actresses in their profession who were gay or bisexual. It was playing it safe that way. Also, she said they would never ever go to a gasoline station so casually to pick up guys. Again, this was the era of the studio system. I once read that MGM I believe, had a brothel on the lot for straight actors to go to prostitutes. They thought if the actors wanted to go to a prostitute, it would be controlled by the studio, and they wouldn't get caught in a public brothel by the gossip columnists. Also, the studios had doctors to treat movie stars for syphilis, which many would get often. Somone one online once said his grandmother was a nurse who said Joan Crawford would come in with venereal disease very often. About the Duck and Duchess of Windsor. I communicated with this lady whose father was an actor, and she too I can't use her name. She had a friend who knew the Duke and Duchess of Windsor very well. Her friend said the Duke of Windsor was not gay, I know I was shocked too when she told me this, and the Duchess Windsor wasn't either. They did love each other very much at the beginning, but their love wore away. The duke regretted marring the duchess becuase he felt useless in his life with her. Their marriage was a big mistake. This lady said, Debbie Reynolds was a lesbian or most likely bisexual. Someone told me she watched the documentary on Tab Hunter talking about his life as a gay man in Hollywood. Tab Hunter said there are actors today who are married who don't want to come out of the closet. He said you would be shocked if you know who they are. BTW, before the Hayes Act which started in 1933 or the pre-code era, the films got away with a lot. There was some nudity, they made films on subjects like prostitution, etc. were more graphic than the films that were made during the Hayes Act. There is an early film starring Barbra Stanwyck in the early 1930s, which her character is very poor, but she strives to live the affluent life by using sex as her tool to get to that place. It's really risqué. However, films later in Hollywood dealt with sex by using innuendo. Usually, scenes which the characters are kissing, and it fades to black indicating they had sex, or the next day the couple is buttoning up their clothes or fixing their disheveled clothes up a bit and they were together all night.
Greetings Men fellow fan here ....When living in Sherman Oaks in the 80's I got to know scotty a bit I was a Waiter at Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and he'd come in every Friday night and ask for my table ..Very nice little creepy at times as well
I enjoy your channel! I don't have many gay friends, since coming out nine years ago. I am 48, didn't have many of the experiences of people who came out in their teens or twenties. You guys keep it real, and layer in your personalities into your stories. I like that you are not frivolous, but are smart and funny. I listen to you when I am driving for my travel nursing jobs cross country, and when I am lonely...you are my virtual/cyber heroes. Thanks!
Because of the deep concern regarding future legality of abortions mentioned, I want to point out that years ago abortions weren't discussed. No one would talk about that nor did people want to even think about it. But for years now abortions have been openly discussed. When people can talk about things that's power because it's out in the open. We'll never go back to the awful horrible days of back alley or coat hanger abortions. We're too smart now, and those days were too sickening for anyone to want to bring them back, including conservatives. I'm confident that there will continue to be open speech and legal abortions available. I'm saying this because I've seen too many women fearful of losing rights to their own body and wanted to bring some peace to them.
Haven't watched you guys for some time. Good to see you and your new vlog format. Great documentary of Scotty on TH-cam and all his escapades. He really was providing an essential service to the stars who had to remain closeted. Hey, have I missed your marriage ceremony? It would be great to see you two hitched.
You should read the biography of Tab Hunter teen heartthrob. He was one of the last old guard actors from the 1950’s under contract to the studios who had a relationship with actor Anthony Perkins the same actor who starred in Psycho. That’s an interesting read for sure.
You guys are fabulous and I loved Scotty he was the diamond in the rough and such a sweet man and well liked and he lived life on life’s terms and on James Dean and Marlon Brando you are correct they were both the same in meaning they did what it took to get what they wanted ❣️
Also if you really look at Scotty’s life he has had a traumatic life and he had a lot of loss starting with ww11 and that really affected him and he was a staunch soldier and all business because as he talks about the Fox hole buddy system which was very important even today and I am glad he did what he loved ❤
What he put into his book was common knowledge in the business. He just expanded the number of people who were aware of it. There are undoubtedly some people and incidents that were not included because of negative consequences.
I don't think you have to be Sigmund Freud to see that Scotty did a lot of burying of things that were extremely painful--too painful to allow himself to experience consciously. A complex man for whom sex was, partially at least, a way of negating or avoiding that pain. And may I say, the best part of your vids, guys, is watching your relationship in action.
Thanks my first video with you two, didn't know at first you wer husbands. The guy on right nice face and voice. The guy on left super cute, and made some good points. Like although Scotty Bowers said he was Bi, he sure with a lot of men, yet he married women a few times. A friend gave me the book hardcover maybe 8 yrs. ago. He's Gay said the book was trashy. I loved the book, yet questioned if it all was real. I am also 63,and am fascinated by Old Hollywood and all those famous stars. Where I live in North central Connecticut, next door is Hartford, CT, where in a lovely cemetery, here there is the Hepburn family stone, and Katherine is buried there I didn't care for the documentary as too much about his hoarding and stuff, not much about his past Hollywood life.. Keep up the good work.
Just watched my first episode. The poor guy in the Hawaiian shirt cannot get a word in edgewise. The guy with the southern accent keeps cutting him off. Hats off to the patient one.
More, more, more Coffee & Tequila, Zach and Alistair!!! I LOVE ❤ the "Bewitched"-inspired cartoon opening & music!!!! Absolutely amazing 👏!! I saw my 21 year old nephew this weekend and mentioned "Bewitched" by chance. He looked at me blankly and said "What are you talking about?" 😳 I knew the writer / celebrity Gore Vidal towards the end of Gore's life. He told me that everything in Scotty's book was true. It's so cool 😎 that the two of you talk about Cary Grant, Spencer Tracy, Randolph Scott (I know a guy whose big claim to fame is that he slept with Randolph Scott in the back of "Randy's" Jag) and 4-time Best Actress winner, Katherine Hepburn. I know a famous author who used to stay with Hepburn at her townhouse in NYC. She was definitely gay. He used to have dinner at her home with her live-in lesbian girlfriend. I'd like you guys to watch Kate Hepburn in "Woman of the Year" with Spencer Tracy and give us your reviews. Hepburn also starred in the film "The Lion In Winter" for which she tied for the Best Actress Oscar with Barbra Streisand who starred in "Funny Girl." You guys should watch both movies and give us your reviews. That would make a great show! Also, Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant in "Bringing Up Baby" versus Barbra Streisand and Ryan O'Neill in "What's Up Doc?" That's a whole show right there for you! xxx ooo ❤ 😍 💖 ❣ 💕 💘
I love that all the men got to have sex with each other, now when I see these actors in movies I like knowing the guys are getting off on each other and having fun ... I heard beautiful handsome muscular George Prepard had gay sex, boy, I would of loved to have had sex with him over and over again ... Good for them, and Carey Grant and Randoplf Scott really did love each other, yes they married woman but their marriages did not last long, not when your not with your true love ❤🎉😊wish they did not have to hide their lives, they should have been free to love each other and be together for their entire lives!!!
Hey. Great show. I'm from the UK. And didn't know much about Scotty. Just bought the documentary. Will let you know what I think. ❤ from an old Queen 👸
Loving these shows so much Zach & Alastair. Your intros are alway so funny, your chemistry and the way you bounce off each other is wonderful to watch. I love how you dress for each show I’m always curious has what you both will wear. Zach your muscles are looking huge. Love the shows I listen on Spotify constantly, thank you guys love you both xxx
Zach, I know you and your husband, Alastair are talking about the documentary film of "Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood" at your house in Texas on this video after it came out 4 years ago back in 2018 during your late talk show of "Coffee & Tequila", it's all about gay celebrities in the industry, it was based on the book called, "Full Service", so I'm proud of you for that and I know you had the Southern accent!! 🙂
Hi. I am just watching your Scotty video and you said you love the movie Giant, did you know it was filmed in Marfa Texas. It is an amazing little town just 3 hours east of El Paso. Extremely gay friendly town.
Your work on these shows is amazing. You are great together on screen and in these stories, and you share the roles and info sharing very well. I saw the documentary was that Lois we meet in the documentary. I think I will read the book, I like the story and Scotty is interesting. This was a great Friday night topic. Alastair what happened with that guy who paid u twenty bucks for a kiss: oh yeah you married him lol.I can’t say enough about how interesting the show is and how enjoyable you two make it. Thanks and have a great weekend gentlemen. Alastair good luck and much skill in the next stage of your career. Zach we will support u just as much when you are here alone.
@@coffeeandtequilashow I was chuckling to myself an interesting topic is how do couples, lifelong partners insure physical intimacy stays in the relationship. It’s important, maybe you trigger the evening by slipping your partner a twenty and say remember Scotty lol. Zach love the shows and videos. You make it a fun enjoyable experience. Be well u two, see u Monday
Everyone wanted Scotty because he was cute and VERY HUNG and SOOOO pansexual. I think he is to be believed. He knew WHAT HE KNEW couldn’t get out during those times. He would lose all those friends, his “business”, contacts, THE SEX with the rich and famous. He was very smart and knew when this had to end because of the AIDS epidemic. Then he which to bartending and catering. BOYS, Y’ALL ARE JUST GREAT. Keep up the good, fun, work.
This is totally a side comment to the main thrust of the episode, but I just wanted to say the movie that Nestor Almendros won the academy award for was “Days of Heaven,” directed by Terence Malick, and it may be the most visually stunning film I have ever seen. It also has a beautiful score by Ennio Morricone. If you ever get a chance to see it, I highly recommend it.
Hey Guys ... to me, this is easily the best Coffee & Tequila you've done. The only other episodes I liked were on 'Tab and Tony'. I haven't watched enough of your other episodes because the horror stuff and the talentless female singers are boring. But you really come alive in this episode - never seen the two of you so animated and the interaction between you is electric and beautiful. Guess it's the relevancy of the subject matter - it's who you are - keep it up! Love it.
@Terry-dl4nf, I can't wait to see your multimedia performance that includes songwriting, playing instruments, choreography, dancing, 4- octave range singing, real time performances. One of the things I love about these two is how much they recognize and elevate female brilliance and accomplishment. Misogyny is what is boring.
Debbie Reynold mentions him in one of her autobiographies serving hot dogs on a tray at a party and one of the hot dogs was attached to Scotty! If you know what I mean.
Greetings from Chiapas, México. Don't forget that Spencer Tracy had such a guilt trip because he grew up Catholic. Generations of priests did horrible things to kids because of their guilt.
Having read plenty Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy bios ( tbh i think i read all, i am an old hollywood fanatic haha), Scotty got it wrong or, i am pretty sure, Scotty is just saying his version of what he thought he knew but Spencer and Hepburn truly were in a physical and emotional relationship. They were clearly bisexual, but for sure had been in love too, and the evidences to that are vast and includes personal letters found later on And no, it wasnt publicized about Katharine Hepburn and Tracy at the time (40s to 60s).
Alistair was raised in Mexico (as I was, partly) and I do the same thing all the time -- sometimes use the Spanish phrasing for things even when I'm speaking English (the movie - and the boat - in Spanish was 'la reina de Africa' = "the queen of Africa")
@@otsoko66 Thank You for the insights. I am a huge fan boy as I assume you are as well. As an HD USAF veteran I am some proud of him serving so well in an out and prideful way!
So fella's I just watched your show for the first time. What's your history? Are you guys a couple? What are your interests? You seem to get along during the show.
I am shooketh at Cary grant and Katherine Hepburn I am not easily shocked but that did, you made me giggle with her and the pants thing. Next time I watch one of her movies I am gonna just focus on pants 😀. I love the behind the scenes life of the old Hollywood stars
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. It may or may not be you but,it is what it is. You are judging by the standard of your generation. Growing up pre-Stonewall/AID'S, I knew people like him.
I enjoyed Scotty Bowers' book. I think he took too long to write his memoirs, because so many people had to die before he could completely go on the record. I first heard about Scotty and his famous Richfield Station about 35 years ago, and I can well believe that what he said in his book was true. I found the documentary hard to watch due to the graphic scenes of hoarding in those houses. I guess Scotty's widow got tasked with the job of getting all the properties cleaned up. Regarding his childhood sexual situations, which he did not regard as abuse, he stated this in the documentary: "If you get paralyzed for life in a car accident, that ruins your life. If someone sucks your c**k, that does not ruin your life."
Greetings from Chiapas, México. I just love this new content. When I lived in Chicago in the 80s I met a makeup artist and hairdresser named Alan Seidel, while bartending at the Red Lion. Alan was very much involved in the Hollywood scene and worked for some of the stars. After a successful career in Hollywood he returned to the Windy City to take care of his ailing mother. Wile serving him he would tell me many wild stories about Scotty and the gossip about who fucked whom back in the day. Alan also mentioned what a nice guy Scotty was...then he would chuckle and add..."nice and horny"
I read a book in college called Queer in America. It basically told the same kind of story. Agents and Pimps and Lawyers having full time jobs just keeping gay and lesbian hollywood stars in the closet. Producing "beards" and "phantom spouses" and placing articles in the scandal magazines to show the lesbians in public with popular actors and the gays with cute starlets.
Just finished watching it, what a life that this guy led omg. I am going to buy this book on Kindle and learn more about his life right now, thank you for the recommendation, such a fascinating life story. Edit: just bought it on Kindle for $9.99, gonna start diving into his eventful life now.
@@coffeeandtequilashow no wonder you guys kept bringing twenty dollars up, everything, or rather, everyone was twenty dollars 😂. Such a fantastic read so far, I am so intrigued to learn about that golden era of Hollywood.
This was great! The book was a great read. Katharine Hepburn was one of the most interesting. I went to her estate sale at Sotherby's in 2004. Great event.
Oh my God I knew Bowers well many did especially if good-looking. And I'm not getting all into it except to say mid late 70s disco era us San Diego Lombard underage disco (if we weren't using fake IDs to get into WCPC) our gang often drove up Hollyweirdland to hangout at bigger Odyssey underage disco (if we weren't trying to get in StudioOne) at least I think that's how it went. But honestly I remember more thr happenings like rich men I mean RICH rich producer types is when we'd drive to Laguna and hangout dance at BoomBoom room disco on Coast. We'd get all lit then go trapsing up the alley (actually a street called Gaviota that looked like alley) to the old Little Shrimp piano bar on Cress St sorta draggish like. Evidently sadly both bars closed for good years ago now but if the walls could speak who what where went when. LOL. But we knew Scott Bowers. There use to be this well known SoCalif club parties thrown monthly or bimonthly it all depended what members threw. I think they were called BoysLife club or something. The older rich dudes were who the main members and you had to get invited by them or someone in the whole loop and they were basically designed to flock together all the good looking boys to the wealthy. Many of those were up in Laguna Beach too. But they were totally fun to go up and many famous celeb musicians etc at those which Ill never divulge names. Only reason I blab Bowers it's already here. But those ole late 70s early 80s dayz was magical FUN better time to come out flap wings with so many crazy fun memories. Look for my book. 😳😅😁💋
I read the book when it 1st century out, did see the documentary & did not like Hollywood on Netflix, but I do love old Hollywood. I was shocked by some revelations, but not so shocked by others. Mostly felt bad for those who had to hide what they were. Scotty's life was a Hollyeood story.
SPENCER WAS GAY! THATS WHY HE MOVED TO THE BUNGALOWS ATBTHE BEVERLY HILL HOTEL. HE COULD PLAY ALL HE WANTED BACK THEN WITHOUT RISKING HIS CAREER. SAME WITH KATHERINE HEPBURN …. THE STUDIO HELPED TO FOOL THE FANS BY MAKING IT LOOK THE TWO OF THEM WERE IN LOVE! HEPBURN WAS A TROUSER WEARING LEZZY!
Waking up on this side of the world to a new episode of C & T is the best thing in the world. I am glad Alastair is doing better. Btw, please do a review on Doctor strange in the multiverse of madness, I need you guys response on Wanda please. It was such a journey having you guys review Wandavision with us and I am dying to see what you guys think this time cause Wanda is my favourite superhero of all time, period.
the one thing in that doc that i found so strange was him happily talking about his teacher when he was 11, mrs handhammer, or whatever... the story about him hooking the teacher up with his girlfriend , who I assumed was 11 also? I don't know..that was weird as shit.. I felt like that was probably bull... or I hope so! By the way. New here. Y'all are awesome!
Until now, I do not see my first sexual experience and subsequent experienxes with an adult as sexual abuse..I looked forward to it everyday! I was 11 Y/0 then and many of these were with friends of the same age..is that sick? But it formed my positive, non- judgmental outlook in life as well. But then again, I am thankful it was not a priest who did it to me!
I don’t think it’s sick. It’s also not for kids to feel shame. Any adult involved with a kid should know better and is entirely at fault in situations like that. How the kid feels about it doesn’t matter when the adult should be getting the blame.
Please don’t ever stop doing this. I listened to this in my two hour drive home today and then came home and watched it. Thank you guys! 💙💙
Me, too. I listened driving 500 miles today. It's like hanging out with friends, even though I am driving solo. It's awesome.
I love what you do guys. Please never stop it’s incredible how much it’s needed!
I read the book about Scotty Bowers. Tons of names dropped and my jaw dropped more than once. What really surprised me was how easygoing his co-workers were towards sex in general. But then again, many of them had served in WWII, so engaging in something that was fun for a little pay probably seemed like a no-brainer.
Oh, sex was nothin’ to all them. It was a fun time, let the good times roll kinda thing. I enjoyed reading about that openness
WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY ON SCOTTY! HE IS SO INTERESTING! JUST FASCINATING
The Scottie Bowers anthology was awesome. Thank you for all your hard work in bringing this to your fans! You guys are amazing. Love you guys 🫶
Coffee and Tequila is the best on TH-cam. Keep up the great work boys.
I met Scotty a few times when he appeared on a show I was working on about a year before he passed away. He was about 187 years old but still sharp and funny. Super sweet guy. “Everything was 20 bucks!” Haha
I keep thinking how I wish I woulda gone to LA the few times I had the chance and met him before he passed. Just seems like an unreal guy
My first introduction to you both and I'm mightily impressed. You're funny, natural, engaging and offer intelligent, articulate and thoughtful insights that are impressive for such young folk. Makes me want to run out and buy a Helix mattress. I look forward to more of your episodes.
So glad someone finally discussed this book, great job guys!
I remember starting to read this book just after lunch on a dreary day four years ago. By dinner time I was done.
I love the tone of your voice and your accent lol!
One of the best episodes of C&T yet. Interesting stuff. By the way Zac, do you ever take a breath while you're talking? It's just rapid fire! lol
Brilliant video guys. Love your channel. Great accents too. Hey from London. Chris
I love hearing your podcast about older Hollywood stars. I have listed to a couple, after I heard about you two. Keep up the great work and as always enjoying yo both here on you-tube. Love you guys,
Thanks for great show! I bought the book after seeing your show!
Still love your laughs! You guys are the very best! The two of you would make GREAT STAND UP comedy dudes, i.e., the Hanz & Franz for current times. Keep on making us laugh, please.
Love you guys...grew up on a farm in Iowa...you don't get up to "smell" the chickens you get up "with" the chickens 🐓
Scottie Bowers was a free pansexual person and helped people to live their sexuaility freely at a time when everything was forbbiden and appear conventional. His contacts and services were much needed at a time when sex was (wrongly) to be hidden.
EXACTLY! HE WAS A WONDERFUL CARING MAN
Great show!❤ You guys are very informative and entertaining!!!❤❤❤❤
The major point missed, which is common among younger readers/bloggers, is how taboo homosexuality is even TODAY in show business. We know several actors and singers today who are currently in fake relationships/marriages. Back then however, you were labeled "sexual deviant" and could possibly face severe harassment including loss of job and housing and possible arrest depending on where you lived.
it would torpedo a movie career quickly
Digging the show. I didn't think I would ever sit still for an hour long podcast but y'all are doing a great job.
Thank you!!
Love you guys - spend my late nights listening to your clips. Keep posting I am a fan! XO
I love hearing these stories. U guys put it perfectly, it is really proof that we where here and always have been here!
Scandalous! Lol great episode guys, y’all have really been resparking my interest in this old Hollywood history
We really have to move on for a bit from old Hollywood, cause I’m down a rabbit hole haha
Excellent guyz……. This format really works and highlights the great chemistry you have together.
Mike
Thanks so much Mike
Yes! I've been waiting for this! So good, guys. Such a thorough and nuanced discussion of a VERY complex and fascinating man. There's so much to talk about and you kept things concise but didn't miss any of the juicy tidbits. I love these Old Hollywood topics (like your Tab & Tony episode) digging into the complicated truth behind the glossy veneer the public was force-fed. I think it honors those lives to actually discuss their richness and fullness in a comprehensive and inclusive way. It also helps restore some of the history that has been swept under the rug or hidden to conform to a conservative narrative that just wasn't accurate to how people existed then or how they exist today. I think it's invaluable to expose this uncensored version of history so that people know we were always and will always be here! Thank you so much for this. Loved every second of it.
I think I’m pulled in both directions. On one hand, it’s up to those individuals to come out or not, on the other hand, there was nothing wrong with any of it. And the conservative narrative that’s always been pushed needs to come down so everybody will realize people need to be able to be who they are.
Hello, first of all, I want to say I love old movies from the 1920s to the early 1960s. Also, I adore anything and everything on old Hollywood. It's very fascinating. So sorry for the blog comment! LOL! Ok! back in the beginning of Hollywood in the 1900s, to the golden era of Hollywood, and even beyond, it was a very, very liberal anything goes place. Everything was accepted. I communicated with a couple of Hollywood insiders who I'm not at liberty to say who they are. One of them wrote and worked in the Hollywood industry with some actors. She said a man who did a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff in the film industry said, the 1960s was nothing compared to what we were like in Hollywood in the 1930s. He said it got extremely wild. This same lady said a friend of hers knew Scotty Bowers and he said Scotty is full of it! There were a lot of gay and bisexual people in the Golden Era of Hollywood, but they were terrified that it would leak out to the public, so they usually had sex with other actors and actresses in their profession who were gay or bisexual. It was playing it safe that way. Also, she said they would never ever go to a gasoline station so casually to pick up guys. Again, this was the era of the studio system. I once read that MGM I believe, had a brothel on the lot for straight actors to go to prostitutes. They thought if the actors wanted to go to a prostitute, it would be controlled by the studio, and they wouldn't get caught in a public brothel by the gossip columnists. Also, the studios had doctors to treat movie stars for syphilis, which many would get often. Somone one online once said his grandmother was a nurse who said Joan Crawford would come in with venereal disease very often. About the Duck and Duchess of Windsor. I communicated with this lady whose father was an actor, and she too I can't use her name. She had a friend who knew the Duke and Duchess of Windsor very well. Her friend said the Duke of Windsor was not gay, I know I was shocked too when she told me this, and the Duchess Windsor wasn't either. They did love each other very much at the beginning, but their love wore away. The duke regretted marring the duchess becuase he felt useless in his life with her. Their marriage was a big mistake. This lady said, Debbie Reynolds was a lesbian or most likely bisexual.
Someone told me she watched the documentary on Tab Hunter talking about his life as a gay man in Hollywood. Tab Hunter said there are actors today who are married who don't want to come out of the closet. He said you would be shocked if you know who they are.
BTW, before the Hayes Act which started in 1933 or the pre-code era, the films got away with a lot. There was some nudity, they made films on subjects like prostitution, etc. were more graphic than the films that were made during the Hayes Act. There is an early film starring Barbra Stanwyck in the early 1930s, which her character is very poor, but she strives to live the affluent life by using sex as her tool to get to that place. It's really risqué. However, films later in Hollywood dealt with sex by using innuendo. Usually, scenes which the characters are kissing, and it fades to black indicating they had sex, or the next day the couple is buttoning up their clothes or fixing their disheveled clothes up a bit and they were together all night.
Greetings Men fellow fan here ....When living in Sherman Oaks in the 80's I got to know scotty a bit I was a Waiter at Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and he'd come in every Friday night and ask for my table ..Very nice little creepy at times as well
I enjoy your channel! I don't have many gay friends, since coming out nine years ago. I am 48, didn't have many of the experiences of people who came out in their teens or twenties. You guys keep it real, and layer in your personalities into your stories. I like that you are not frivolous, but are smart and funny. I listen to you when I am driving for my travel nursing jobs cross country, and when I am lonely...you are my virtual/cyber heroes. Thanks!
Because of the deep concern regarding future legality of abortions mentioned, I want to point out that years ago abortions weren't discussed. No one would talk about that nor did people want to even think about it. But for years now abortions have been openly discussed. When people can talk about things that's power because it's out in the open. We'll never go back to the awful horrible days of back alley or coat hanger abortions. We're too smart now, and those days were too sickening for anyone to want to bring them back, including conservatives. I'm confident that there will continue to be open speech and legal abortions available. I'm saying this because I've seen too many women fearful of losing rights to their own body and wanted to bring some peace to them.
WOMEN OWN THE VOTE IN AMERICA. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP AND GET OUT AND VOTE. THEN THEY WILL SEE EQUAL PAY AS WELL
Haven't watched you guys for some time. Good to see you and your new vlog format. Great documentary of Scotty on TH-cam and all his escapades. He really was providing an essential service to the stars who had to remain closeted. Hey, have I missed your marriage ceremony? It would be great to see you two hitched.
Thanks for the book suggestion! I'm starting it now on Audible.
I wished you guys lived next door to me. I would enjoy the conversations.
You should read the biography of Tab Hunter teen heartthrob. He was one of the last old guard actors from the 1950’s under contract to the studios who had a relationship with actor Anthony Perkins the same actor who starred in Psycho. That’s an interesting read for sure.
glad u covered this book, its awesome
You guys are fabulous and I loved Scotty he was the diamond in the rough and such a sweet man and well liked and he lived life on life’s terms and on James Dean and Marlon Brando you are correct they were both the same in meaning they did what it took to get what they wanted ❣️
Absolutely fantastic book discussion!
Guys these videos are great. Well done.
Thanks guys love this..more more
Loved your episode!! Such good stories that need to be told!
Great segment, guys. The documentary was more about him: fascinating character.
Also if you really look at Scotty’s life he has had a traumatic life and he had a lot of loss starting with ww11 and that really affected him and he was a staunch soldier and all business because as he talks about the Fox hole buddy system which was very important even today and I am glad he did what he loved ❤
What he put into his book was common knowledge in the business. He just expanded the number of people who were aware of it. There are undoubtedly some people and incidents that were not included because of negative consequences.
Love the show Zack and Alastair. Keep up the great job.
Thank you!
I don't think you have to be Sigmund Freud to see that Scotty did a lot of burying of things that were extremely painful--too painful to allow himself to experience consciously. A complex man for whom sex was, partially at least, a way of negating or avoiding that pain.
And may I say, the best part of your vids, guys, is watching your relationship in action.
the doc reveals some of the sadder aspects of his life.
Wow! What a brilliant in-depth analysis of the book. of Scotty and of his psychology. Kudos. guys
Thanks my first video with you two, didn't know at first you wer husbands. The guy on right nice face and voice. The guy on left super cute, and made some good points. Like although Scotty Bowers said he was Bi, he sure with a lot of men, yet he married women a few times. A friend gave me the book hardcover maybe 8 yrs. ago. He's Gay said the book was trashy. I loved the book, yet questioned if it all was real. I am also 63,and am fascinated by Old Hollywood and all those famous stars. Where I live in North central Connecticut, next door is Hartford, CT, where in a lovely cemetery, here there is the Hepburn family stone, and Katherine is buried there I didn't care for the documentary as too much about his hoarding and stuff, not much about his past Hollywood life.. Keep up the good work.
Just watched my first episode. The poor guy in the Hawaiian shirt cannot get a word in edgewise. The guy with the southern accent keeps cutting him off. Hats off to the patient one.
More, more, more Coffee & Tequila, Zach and Alistair!!! I LOVE ❤ the "Bewitched"-inspired cartoon opening & music!!!! Absolutely amazing 👏!! I saw my 21 year old nephew this weekend and mentioned "Bewitched" by chance. He looked at me blankly and said "What are you talking about?" 😳 I knew the writer / celebrity Gore Vidal towards the end of Gore's life. He told me that everything in Scotty's book was true. It's so cool 😎 that the two of you talk about Cary Grant, Spencer Tracy, Randolph Scott (I know a guy whose big claim to fame is that he slept with Randolph Scott in the back of "Randy's" Jag) and 4-time Best Actress winner, Katherine Hepburn. I know a famous author who used to stay with Hepburn at her townhouse in NYC. She was definitely gay. He used to have dinner at her home with her live-in lesbian girlfriend. I'd like you guys to watch Kate Hepburn in "Woman of the Year" with Spencer Tracy and give us your reviews. Hepburn also starred in the film "The Lion In Winter" for which she tied for the Best Actress Oscar with Barbra Streisand who starred in "Funny Girl." You guys should watch both movies and give us your reviews. That would make a great show! Also, Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant in "Bringing Up Baby" versus Barbra Streisand and Ryan O'Neill in "What's Up Doc?" That's a whole show right there for you! xxx ooo ❤ 😍 💖 ❣ 💕 💘
I love that all the men got to have sex with each other, now when I see these actors in movies I like knowing the guys are getting off on each other and having fun ... I heard beautiful handsome muscular George Prepard had gay sex, boy, I would of loved to have had sex with him over and over again ... Good for them, and Carey Grant and Randoplf Scott really did love each other, yes they married woman but their marriages did not last long, not when your not with your true love ❤🎉😊wish they did not have to hide their lives, they should have been free to love each other and be together for their entire lives!!!
50:00 What was Alister saying about Rock Hudson and James Dean? He never finished the story!!!!
Hey. Great show. I'm from the UK. And didn't know much about Scotty. Just bought the documentary. Will let you know what I think. ❤ from an old Queen 👸
So glad you did this. I have the book and the video, but I wanted your perspective.
It was a great story
Season 2 just keeps getting better and more with each new episode. Is El Paso treating you guys well? Best wishes.
El Paso has been great so far. Nice improvement over Lawton
Loving these shows so much Zach & Alastair. Your intros are alway so funny, your chemistry and the way you bounce off each other is wonderful to watch. I love how you dress for each show I’m always curious has what you both will wear. Zach your muscles are looking huge. Love the shows I listen on Spotify constantly, thank you guys love you both xxx
Hahaha we appreciate it. I’ve been wearing the same clothes for years and years. It’s time to go buy some new stuff
Love these Hollywood stories and omg you too are both so handsome and aborable please keep these comming
It was "The African Queen." Not The Queen of Africa. It was the boat Bogart operated in the movie of the same name.
Zach, I know you and your husband, Alastair are talking about the documentary film of "Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood" at your house in Texas on this video after it came out 4 years ago back in 2018 during your late talk show of "Coffee & Tequila", it's all about gay celebrities in the industry, it was based on the book called, "Full Service", so I'm proud of you for that and I know you had the Southern accent!! 🙂
Thank you thank you sir!
Love you guys, BUT, in this format, you guys talk over each other way too much. Zack, allow Alistar to complete a thought every now and then.
A very great book discussion!
Hi. I am just watching your Scotty video and you said you love the movie Giant, did you know it was filmed in Marfa Texas. It is an amazing little town just 3 hours east of El Paso. Extremely gay friendly town.
“$20 dollars is $20 dollars!” LoL!
Your work on these shows is amazing. You are great together on screen and in these stories, and you share the roles and info sharing very well. I saw the documentary was that Lois we meet in the documentary. I think I will read the book, I like the story and Scotty is interesting. This was a great Friday night topic. Alastair what happened with that guy who paid u twenty bucks for a kiss: oh yeah you married him lol.I can’t say enough about how interesting the show is and how enjoyable you two make it. Thanks and have a great weekend gentlemen. Alastair good luck and much skill in the next stage of your career. Zach we will support u just as much when you are here alone.
Hahaha $20 for a kiss. $20 is $20. Thanks again for watching and supporting
@@coffeeandtequilashow I was chuckling to myself an interesting topic is how do couples, lifelong partners insure physical intimacy stays in the relationship. It’s important, maybe you trigger the evening by slipping your partner a twenty and say remember Scotty lol. Zach love the shows and videos. You make it a fun enjoyable experience. Be well u two, see u Monday
Everyone wanted Scotty because he was cute and VERY HUNG and SOOOO pansexual. I think he is to be believed. He knew WHAT HE KNEW couldn’t get out during those times. He would lose all those friends, his “business”, contacts, THE SEX with the rich and famous. He was very smart and knew when this had to end because of the AIDS epidemic. Then he which to bartending and catering. BOYS, Y’ALL ARE JUST GREAT. Keep up the good, fun, work.
This is totally a side comment to the main thrust of the episode, but I just wanted to say the movie that Nestor Almendros won the academy award for was “Days of Heaven,” directed by Terence Malick, and it may be the most visually stunning film I have ever seen. It also has a beautiful score by Ennio Morricone. If you ever get a chance to see it, I highly recommend it.
Just based off the stills I google image searched, I’m already in love and will be watching immediately
Is this what the series Hollywood was based on? (Dylan McDermott's character)
You can always invite Guest Stars 😉
Hey Guys ... to me, this is easily the best Coffee & Tequila you've done. The only other episodes I liked were on 'Tab and Tony'. I haven't watched enough of your other episodes because the horror stuff and the talentless female singers are boring. But you really come alive in this episode - never seen the two of you so animated and the interaction between you is electric and beautiful. Guess it's the relevancy of the subject matter - it's who you are - keep it up! Love it.
@Terry-dl4nf, I can't wait to see your multimedia performance that includes songwriting, playing instruments, choreography, dancing, 4- octave range singing, real time performances. One of the things I love about these two is how much they recognize and elevate female brilliance and accomplishment. Misogyny is what is boring.
@@JessBlake2 Misogyny! HaHaHaHaHa Great Joke Jess!
Debbie Reynold mentions him in one of her autobiographies serving hot dogs on a tray at a party and one of the hot dogs was attached to Scotty! If you know what I mean.
I read that it was Dietrich who brought trousers to Hollywood.
Thanks for a great show. I immediately went to Booktopia and purchased the book. Love the stories of old Hollywood?
I hope you love it too!
Greetings from Chiapas, México. Don't forget that Spencer Tracy had such a guilt trip because he grew up Catholic. Generations of priests did horrible things to kids because of their guilt.
Having read plenty Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy bios ( tbh i think i read all, i am an old hollywood fanatic haha), Scotty got it wrong or, i am pretty sure, Scotty is just saying his version of what he thought he knew but Spencer and Hepburn truly were in a physical and emotional relationship. They were clearly bisexual, but for sure had been in love too, and the evidences to that are vast and includes personal letters found later on
And no, it wasnt publicized about Katharine Hepburn and Tracy at the time (40s to 60s).
Everything is controlled in Hollywood dear, and Hepburn and Tracy’s romance was heavily manipulated in the press.
Great show! 💛💪🏻
The boat was named The African Queen. The movie was (The African Queen).
Alistair was raised in Mexico (as I was, partly) and I do the same thing all the time -- sometimes use the Spanish phrasing for things even when I'm speaking English (the movie - and the boat - in Spanish was 'la reina de Africa' = "the queen of Africa")
@@otsoko66 Thank You for the insights. I am a huge fan boy as I assume you are as well. As an HD USAF veteran I am some proud of him serving so well in an out and prideful way!
So fella's I just watched your show for the first time. What's your history? Are you guys a couple? What are your interests? You seem to get along during the show.
I am shooketh at Cary grant and Katherine Hepburn I am not easily shocked but that did, you made me giggle with her and the pants thing. Next time I watch one of her movies I am gonna just focus on pants 😀. I love the behind the scenes life of the old Hollywood stars
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. It may or may not be you but,it is what it is. You are judging by the standard of your generation. Growing up pre-Stonewall/AID'S, I knew people like him.
I love it when yall do gay/queer history stuff!!
Also, it might be really hard to find but i’d like to suggest some gay/queer Mexican and/or Texas histories? I think that would be so cool.
You guys should do a video on James Dean👀
Yes please, he was my first celebrity crush ever. 😍
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I enjoyed Scotty Bowers' book. I think he took too long to write his memoirs, because so many people had to die before he could completely go on the record. I first heard about Scotty and his famous Richfield Station about 35 years ago, and I can well believe that what he said in his book was true. I found the documentary hard to watch due to the graphic scenes of hoarding in those houses. I guess Scotty's widow got tasked with the job of getting all the properties cleaned up.
Regarding his childhood sexual situations, which he did not regard as abuse, he stated this in the documentary: "If you get paralyzed for life in a car accident, that ruins your life. If someone sucks your c**k, that does not ruin your life."
Unwed couples are referred to as Common Law Marriages
Does this episode mean you two will be touring Hollywood,CA. someday?
Scottys book was very informative. I wonder if any of his children he helped in fertilizing ever discovered with dna he was their biological father.
Greetings from Chiapas, México. I just love this new content. When I lived in Chicago in the 80s I met a makeup artist and hairdresser named Alan Seidel, while bartending at the Red Lion. Alan was very much involved in the Hollywood scene and worked for some of the stars. After a successful career in Hollywood he returned to the Windy City to take care of his ailing mother. Wile serving him he would tell me many wild stories about Scotty and the gossip about who fucked whom back in the day. Alan also mentioned what a nice guy Scotty was...then he would chuckle and add..."nice and horny"
Hahaha nice and horny. I love that. It’s a true testament to who you are when everyone has great things to say about you.
I read a book in college called Queer in America. It basically told the same kind of story. Agents and Pimps and Lawyers having full time jobs just keeping gay and lesbian hollywood stars in the closet. Producing "beards" and "phantom spouses" and placing articles in the scandal magazines to show the lesbians in public with popular actors and the gays with cute starlets.
I can't find this book that you mention. Is that what it's called? I want to read books on this aspect of Hollywood. Thanks you!
@@SaralinaLove author is Michelangelo Signorile 1993.
Just finished watching it, what a life that this guy led omg. I am going to buy this book on Kindle and learn more about his life right now, thank you for the recommendation, such a fascinating life story.
Edit: just bought it on Kindle for $9.99, gonna start diving into his eventful life now.
Check back in with some of your thoughts after reading!
@@coffeeandtequilashow no wonder you guys kept bringing twenty dollars up, everything, or rather, everyone was twenty dollars 😂. Such a fantastic read so far, I am so intrigued to learn about that golden era of Hollywood.
This was great! The book was a great read. Katharine Hepburn was one of the most interesting. I went to her estate sale at Sotherby's in 2004. Great event.
Oh I would’ve died to go to a Hollywood star’s estate sale
@@coffeeandtequilashow Good one!
Great Point … Quit Pretending…. that the gay/lesbian/bi aspect is a recent revelation ….Scotty Bowers a life well lived
Oh my God I knew Bowers well many did especially if good-looking. And I'm not getting all into it except to say mid late 70s disco era us San Diego Lombard underage disco (if we weren't using fake IDs to get into WCPC) our gang often drove up Hollyweirdland to hangout at bigger Odyssey underage disco (if we weren't trying to get in StudioOne) at least I think that's how it went. But honestly I remember more thr happenings like rich men I mean RICH rich producer types is when we'd drive to Laguna and hangout dance at BoomBoom room disco on Coast. We'd get all lit then go trapsing up the alley (actually a street called Gaviota that looked like alley) to the old Little Shrimp piano bar on Cress St sorta draggish like. Evidently sadly both bars closed for good years ago now but if the walls could speak who what where went when. LOL. But we knew Scott Bowers. There use to be this well known SoCalif club parties thrown monthly or bimonthly it all depended what members threw. I think they were called BoysLife club or something. The older rich dudes were who the main members and you had to get invited by them or someone in the whole loop and they were basically designed to flock together all the good looking boys to the wealthy. Many of those were up in Laguna Beach too. But they were totally fun to go up and many famous celeb musicians etc at those which Ill never divulge names. Only reason I blab Bowers it's already here. But those ole late 70s early 80s dayz was magical FUN better time to come out flap wings with so many crazy fun memories. Look for my book. 😳😅😁💋
I could watch Zach talk all day long, I am mesmerized when he speaks!
I read the book when it 1st century out, did see the documentary & did not like Hollywood on Netflix, but I do love old Hollywood. I was shocked by some revelations, but not so shocked by others. Mostly felt bad for those who had to hide what they were. Scotty's life was a Hollyeood story.
Spencer Tracy was Irish Catholic and would not divorce his wife. They had a son who was born deaf.
SPENCER WAS GAY! THATS WHY HE MOVED TO THE BUNGALOWS ATBTHE BEVERLY HILL HOTEL. HE COULD PLAY ALL HE WANTED BACK THEN WITHOUT RISKING HIS CAREER. SAME WITH KATHERINE HEPBURN …. THE STUDIO HELPED TO FOOL THE FANS BY MAKING IT LOOK THE TWO OF THEM WERE IN LOVE! HEPBURN WAS A TROUSER WEARING LEZZY!
I have to watch this later, sorry but I know it will be good.
It’ll be around whenever you need it, no worries
Wow. Just wow.
Waking up on this side of the world to a new episode of C & T is the best thing in the world. I am glad Alastair is doing better. Btw, please do a review on Doctor strange in the multiverse of madness, I need you guys response on Wanda please. It was such a journey having you guys review Wandavision with us and I am dying to see what you guys think this time cause Wanda is my favourite superhero of all time, period.
We want to. Trying to figure out how best to format it, but you’ll hear our thoughts. Seeing it tonight! (In a few hrs)
@@coffeeandtequilashow so excited to hear that, will be waiting patiently, haha.
I was born in a bar and worked but never drank any beer,and wine or spirits
Hi boys! Here on the other side of the world, we're drinking tea - (I know, right? PAARTAY!!!) 😘😘😁😁
Love it! Us too (but spiked)
@@coffeeandtequilashow Ours would be spiked at this time of the morning but we usually reserve that for birthdays. 😁😁
HOLLYWOOD HAD TO FOOL THE MIDWEST RELIGIOUS CRAYS. IN ORDER TO SELL MOVIES. LOL
the one thing in that doc that i found so strange was him happily talking about his teacher when he was 11, mrs handhammer, or whatever... the story about him hooking the teacher up with his girlfriend , who I assumed was 11 also? I don't know..that was weird as shit.. I felt like that was probably bull... or I hope so! By the way. New here. Y'all are awesome!
Alastair you need to watch Gaint !
Tell him again!
Alastair it is very important that you watch Gaint. Myself I watch it once a year at thde end of summer
Until now, I do not see my first sexual experience and subsequent experienxes with an adult as sexual abuse..I looked forward to it everyday! I was 11 Y/0 then and many of these were with friends of the same age..is that sick? But it formed my positive, non- judgmental outlook in life as well. But then again, I am thankful it was not a priest who did it to me!
I don’t think it’s sick. It’s also not for kids to feel shame. Any adult involved with a kid should know better and is entirely at fault in situations like that. How the kid feels about it doesn’t matter when the adult should be getting the blame.
I love you guys,
I was born in a bar and worked but never drank beer,wine or spirit and still enjoyed my G sex
Great show..next will you guys switch shirts and Alistair wear your hat...will be hot to switch it up. Grateful for you guys...great entertainment.
Haha actually we might have to do that