The Original GameCube Joy Cons vs Everything Else
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- 3 years ago @ShankMods made some amazing looking GameCube Joy Cons, and since then we've seen a whole lot more start to come to the market. Let's see how they actually hold up...
Thanks again to @RockerGaming for letting us use their NYXI Wizard, make sure to check out their channel!
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Thank you for mentioning my project! I'm still hard at work and confident that I can bring that OEM GameCube controller feel to the Joycons. I should have more progress to share over the coming weeks!
Where can I find information on your project? I can't find anything on Google. Are the print files available?
@@kampcreates That sounds great, I'm looking forward to it! Thanks for the quick reply, I'll make sure to follow you on twitter.
You rock! Take your time. We've waited so long, another few months (even years, really) wouldn't be a big deal.
Bro you're awesome I hope you succeed.
Neat
Nice to see ShankMods again!
I'd love to get my hands on one of those big GameCube JoyCons!
Yo thanks for the shout! Glad those made it to you for the video 🙌🙌🙌
The PowerA is not nearly as bad as the old madcatz GameCube controllers. It's pretty close to OEM. It beats the hell out of the Wii U Hyperkin Procube, which isn't really even a fair comparison.
Personally, I'd go with the Nyxi if I wanted a GameCube-style controller, the button layout is a must-have.
The Binbok/DOYOKY Gamecube Style Controllers are about 3-4 weeks away from release. We can't wait.. (Pi-Mania Aussie Resellers for the RetroFlag / Binbok Controllers.)
I found the nyxi wizard to be a very good replacement for the switch. My friend's arrived and is perfect in every way, I can't wait to play with it.
11:37 this is so cool!
I ordered my NYXI Wizard as soon as I saw them. My favorite controller is the GameCube controller, and it is still used by a lot of Smash players.
Of all the aftermarket companies I’ve tried, I think 8bitdo was the most OEM feeling, specifically with the SN30Pro+. If they’d come out with a GameCube option I’d be all over it!
I bought the gamecube gamepad from Retroflag and still loving it. The button is big and responsive. The negative i have for it is the gamecard slot is hard to get the cartridge out. But the color is really grab me.
Compared to the two controllers that came out during the Wii U times I actually think the power A GameCube controller is More closely to a real gamecube controller.
I did like the PDP wire fight pad over the hori Battle pad though because it felt less bad and I actually happens to like it but it is definitely less authentic.
When I say less bad I mean that the hori one felt like they didn't have quality controller something.
Edit: basically my only complaint with the power A controller was that it doesn't have rumble other than that it has all the features to play on switch perfectly blind including motion controls. Now if you were to find some way to use it on a real GameCube then the shoulder buttons are really shallow and obviously don't have any trigger actuation because switch doesn't have that. It's also a little bit flat on top which depending one how you hold it can be annoying though it doesn't bother me.
Controller feel is the most important thing. You can have all the bells and whistles in the world, but if your controller feels cheap, I'm not buying it.
the size of the nyxi wizars is bigger than the new coming binbok? or just same shape?
i waited the whole video for the dualsense only for it to be a joke they work well with yuzu
please shanks tell them to make their gyro as good as official joy cons
Although I appreciate the video and the comparison/review of all the controllers, I don't really see what the purpose is? A lot of these have different use case scenarios and are even limited to that specific use case to where it really can't be compared or selected. For instance, the one that was selected by the guy in the leather. Isn't that specific to portable? Also, some have GameCube layouts and some don't. I guess to me, there should be a pick for one with a true GameCube layout and one without for portable and non-portable.
you guys are missing hori and pdp's controllers
Of course 3rd parties have ups and downs but god damn I can’t with this guy
8bitdo...
When it comes to third party controllers, I feel like 8BitDo stands out by far than any other third party. If they'd make GameCube style Joycons I'd buy them immediately.
For sure
8bitdo and hori are at the top IMO
I have ordered the NYXI ones.
I ordered one and I personally feel that the buttons are still 3rd party feeling and aren't close to a Pro controller. Also, the buttons on the handles are really easy to get accidental presses on making them more harm than good. I also prefer the stick layout of the Pro controller to the PS style that 8bit Do offers. It's more comfortable in my opinion. You can pickup a Pro controller on sale at least once a month for the same price as the 8bit Do controllers ($50 or so).
@@shattered-reflection8045 you CAN disable the handle buttons which honestly i tend to prefer. I don't think they're going for a pro controller feel but that might just be me.
The actual GOAT is here!
your mom is the goat
I love how Shank spotted the joystick across the table, was stuck in the forward position and had to fix it.
For a second, I thought that portable wii was a switch lite with a game cube controller. I think that would be really cool. Maybe that's an idea for you, Shank?
Thank you guys for emphasizing the importance of button/stick feel. I don't understand how so many third-party companies haven't figured out how to make face buttons that feel good and consistent. The ideal ratios are there for the taking. Valve seemingly copied the Xbox face buttons for the Steam Deck and they feel amazing. Nintendo reproduced the N64 controller after two decades and it's indistinguishably perfect. Take some first-party controllers apart and take some damn measurements.
And burn all the Switch pro controllers cuz they are one of the worst.
When it comes to button feel. They are the best hands down when it comes to grip shape.
I've definitely fallen in love with the Nyxi GameCube joycons, they may not feel 100% like the GameCube controllers I still have after all these long years but they give me the button placement and feel I've been waiting for since Switch launched. Also doesn't hurt that the sticks are the new Hall sensor sticks rather than the cheap sticks first party controllers insist on using that drift fairly easily.
The only reason the 1st party controller sticks are cheap are because of how many first party controllers are being sold using the technology (and lots of other companies started liking them too).
Weirdly enough, they feel much better than Hall sensors (which is technically old tech)... the issue (which was only found out because of how many Switches were sold) is that they more easily drift...
How’s the controller on smash? It’s only game I play worry about the joy sticks
@@richguev it works fine for me, but I'm a casual Smash player so take my experience with a grain of salt
Snagged the black GameCube nyxi can’t wait to get them😎
@@richguevI play a good bit, it’s good for labbing stuff on the go for sure and close enough in shape and design that when I want to play competitive I have no problem pulling out a good oem gcc. It’s heafty but it’s not too bad even when I play claw grip. Only gripes are terrible back paddles (just don’t use em) and when mounted on the switch the screen is tilted back a bit on my comfiest holding position. If they canted the grips a bit backwards it’d be better laying down.
More controller reviews need to talk about these type of things. Most of the time they're just like "the d-pad feels good." But what does that mean? Lol
Shankmods was really a visionary bro
They copied his design-
The price point on some of these for the quality is absolutely bonkers. You will pay 55 dollars for a controller that feels like a 20 dollar Walmart knockoff. It’s really hard to find the diamond in the rough especially when these companies are sending controllers to random influencers and sponsoring their videos.
Yeah this happened to me with the original binbok wireless joycon.
NYXI gamecube controller and the Retroflag controller are the only controllers here (That I've used) that are absouletely perfect there's no gripe i have with either of these so i highly recommend those two plus with Hal joysticks you really can't go wrong.
Shank won’t reply to this comment because he smells
Facts
@@ShankMods I knew you didn't wash that jacket.
Dude knows how to slide in and get seen! Lol 👌
I hope this video is seen by a lot of these companies and a good controller arises lol
This video fell a little flat for me. I feel like you should have spent more time comparing the Nyxi Wizard with the ShankMods controller. You guys just dismissed it. The Nyxi is the closest we have for now to what ShankMods made.
The retro flag is my favorite tbh. I’ve had it for a couple of months now and it is incredible tbh. Great feel, great buttons, Hull joysticks, no delay, and it fits the OLED.
The guy that wants a proper game keep controller for the switch and he goes with the weird connected one that doesn't even have the GameCube way out and looks literally like the worst one from all the reviews I've seen they also say it's not very good I have to believe that he's trolling when he did that.
In the original, the gate is tilted at an angle, to follow better the natural angle of the thumb (from holding the controller). Nintendo did because in the N64 controller the thumb was positioned naturally vertically aligned with the analog stick.
This is one of the main advantages that the original controller has and many of these imitations fail to implement.
As soon as you mentioned the sounds and compared them, I had a lightbulb, yes those madcatz and 3rd parties all had the same sound of cheaper polymer and standard screw fittings... the 1st party Nintendo/XBox/PS all seem to have a deeper register. Does anyone sound profile these controllers under a "control" test condition it could make a strange ASMR point just in that content alone, but I think there's correlation to sound and satisfaction if you think about it........
Definitely want the battler since it has an adapter for the actual gamecube, it becomes the wavebird I wish I had back then with rumble.
I legit got that exact controller in the mail today and it's really good! I'm using it for Dolphin but it came with a plug in for the gamecube port and it definitely would work on an original GC. I'd recommend it if you don't want to pay the ebay price for an OEM wavebird. Side note, the analog stick definitely doesn't stick like it did in the video.
@@4carhur1more seeing quite a few varying opinions so it seems quality isnt exact for every model, a bit of a gamble for those buying which the company did say in a comment that they would take a look into it, I might wait a little longer for any update
I ordered the nyxi as soon as I could, so hyped for them
I got one of their other controllers and wasn’t super impressed with the plastic but the form factor was on point.
@@KEE_Wii I don’t have a problem with the plastic. The face buttons suck, especially A, and the dpad doesn’t even have a pivot, just 4 mechanical switches that can all be pressed at once. They blew it. Gonna have to mod it.
@@No1Noz how do you plan to mod them? That does sound less than ideal, but modding them would be less work than making my own from scratch haha
Whoever reached out to him to make a GOOD controller instead of a copy paste flashy one that just doesn't feel right, THANK YOU.
I already got a pro controller and if i wanted to use OEM gamecube, i'd just use the usb adapter. There's VERY FEW joycon-style options, Nyxi is the only one who got it right.
Something I miss that I don't think was mentioned is the way the plastic feels on the originals compared to the official smash ones or any other new version. The original gamecube controllers seemed to have a slightly smoother/softer plastic and even though I usually like having texture on a controller, I prefer the feel of the original
Are you sure they aren't just worn smooth after years of use?
@@JaredConnell I'm pretty sure they were just different plastics because I have a very lightly used original controller that still has that smooth feeling.
@@goode_bag you're right. The originals do have a smoother finish, whereas those later black/white ones have a pretty rough feel.
@@JaredConnell you can still buy the original, brand new OEM gamecube controllers in Japan and they all have the slick finish.
I have the Wizard and it's amazing. That said, I'm waiting for someone to make a GameCube styled controller that goes all out so that I can use it on my Steam Deck or Switch. Not just the GameCube layout but analog triggers, NFC, wireless, gyro, paddle function buttons and rumble. A true GameCube styled elite controller and I'm more then ready to toss money at it!
Will the NYXI ones work with Steam Deck?
@@nayyarrashid4661 you can use the controller on Steam Deck, just have to remember to turn on the "use Joycons as single controller" setting in Steam.
There will never be a good replacement for the gamecube controller that actually feels correct, manufacturers need to stop wasting time on useless stuff like turbo that no one uses and actually focus on the important parts. Stick resistance, stick height, proper GC stick caps of the correct material and shape, gate size, button resistance and shape, actual GC style trigger buttons (I’m fine with improved Z tho), good GC style rumble, proper plastic and coating for overall feel and for the love of god don’t take cheap shortcuts. GC style controllers are supposed to be a niche for people that want a controller that works like a GC controller, not just looks like one. It should be required to have either a competitive smash player or a Mario Sunshine speedrunner to approve of these things to stop wasting everyone’s time with useless plastic. Aren’t there exact schematics of these things online? It shouldn’t be that hard to make an almost exact copy, no?
I really hope those third-party companies can focus on making face buttons that feel good. Nyxi has done well so far.
The nub style analog sticks need to be revisited. I feel like I would really like that for some games I play.
I prefer the nyxi one and the only small thing I don't like which isn't anything about how it works, but how there's no other color. I'm not much of a fan of the dark purple colour.
No Exlene among the lineup? A while back I thought that was sorta the most viable wireless pseudo-GameCube pro controller...
Personally, I'd go with the Nyxi if I wanted a GameCube-style controller, the button layout is a must-have.
I pre-ordered one when NYXI started allowing pre-orders. The gamecube controller has always been my favourite one, and this is the closest we'll ever get as a joycon combo for an acceptable price.
Same i’m still waiting for mine. Hopefully I get it soon. I pre ordered it back in January.
@@blakelandry9313 I ordered mine early February and they’ve been shipped today, so shouldn’t be too long for you
Here's a key point you should mention to these companies: extra features disqualify controllers from tournament use!
I imagine they'd save money and sell more controllers if they just ditched turbo and macros...
My go-to is PowerA but I the sticks die in less than a year of daily use. My dream mod would be PowerA with hall-effect sticks~
It’s mind blowing to me that there isn’t a good GameCube style controller option
Love the video! Seriously, it boggles the mind that there are such good imitations of every other controller on the market, but nobody seems to be able to emulate the feel of an honest to god GameCube controller. It can't be that hard, right?? What shortcuts are they taking to cause this? It's aggrevated me for like ten years at this point. We NEED a good third party GameCube controller because in ten more years who knows if there will be many functioning ones left.
I highly recommend the PowerA wireless gamecube controller. I used it to play super smash and it's as close as it gets to a real gc controller.
Nintendo spent a lot of time fine tuning the original GameCube controller during development. i think that 3rd party manufacturers dont understand that slightly chunkier grips or different surface texture and things like internal component material types are why they always feel wrong. i understand that they dont have the R and D budgets of Nintendo, but if they were to spent a little more time researching materials and dialling in the feel instead of adding features no one wants they could make a very good product relatively quickly and budget friendly
I like how Shank lowkey looks like he doesn’t wanna be there lol
I really need a Jacket like Shanks, it looks so cool!
Shank hit it on the head at the end; the first company to release a straight up "New Wavebird" is going to make a LOT of money. Added features are nice and always welcome, but get the buttons and sticks feeling OEM and you will have the (admittedly quite specific) market cornered immediately.
Awesome video, but I would've liked to see how these options compare to the officially licensed HORI and PDP options.
if anybody has it, how are the NYXI Wizard when playing Metroid Prime Remastered?
Smooth as fk yhea is not the same feeling as the original but it is very close to it
Since I grabbed a Switch, I've been waiting for the NYXI Wizard.I cannot believe companies didn't act on 2020 sooner, but I am glad they did.
Given an alternate set of sticks that are closer to the GameCube, The Nyxi Wizard would be a dream controller for me.
Isn't that binbok pre-production what turned out to be the NYXI? they sell the exact same controllers, I thought they were the same company
I don't think they're the same
I will say PowerA's second attempt at the third party gamecube controller that they released with revisions that were recommended by the community actually feels, in my honest opinion, the closest any third party company has gotten to recreating the feel of the Gamecube controller. The triggers no longer fully travel, which was recommended by the community and is honestly for the best considering a switch controller has no analogue trigger functionality. The new triggers feel very much like the feel of a plugged trigger which is a very common mod for Smash Ultimate players to do to OEM Gamecube controllers. They also made the "z buttons" way higher and more comfortable to actually use as shoulder buttons, and they also made the d pad way bigger than OEM. The plastic and rubber of the sticks do not feel as high quality as the OEM, but other than that, the feel has been spot on (bar the quality of life and switch required additions). It's personally my favorite controller to use on my switch.
I honestly agree. It's not that far off from OEM
To me, the requirements for a perfect modern GameCube controller include analog triggers that feel and function exactly the same as the OEM models, the four face buttons being in the exact same positions as the originals and the controller shape that’s exactly the same or similar to the original.
Manufacturers can make plenty of improvements to the design such as have the same number of buttons as the modern controllers and making the body shape larger, but if it doesn’t have the above criteria, it’s simply not a GameCube controller.
An ideal situation for me would just be something you attach to the Gamecube adapter that sort of turns it into a Pro Controller, or makes the Switch think it is one. That would let you remap buttons and maybe it could add the home, minus, and share buttons on the device itself, or let you use macros to press them.
I'm here for Shank. Keep featuring him!
Controller development is no joke. I remember reading an article back in the day that said Sony had spent over 100 million dollars developing the dual shock 3 (or maybe the ds4, I can't quite remember). Third party companies are more like leeches on the industry, rarely putting in the development effort, and just trying to make a quick buck. Very cool then, that at least one out there is interested in taking some feedback (at the very least) from gc controller aficionado.
That retro flag controller looks interesting, especially for something sold on AliExpress. (I ordered the Nyxi Wizard, but still waiting like everyone else lol)
Nothing like the OG Game Cube controller. I just wish a controller the same OG feeling, capture and menu button, gyro and rumble amd joycon style like that white one they showed. That's it. But trying to mimic the og formula is the key!
2:10 haha I would always give my mates the 3rd party controllers cus I knew they wouldn't handle them with care.
The Retroflag controller makes the Switch a handheld dream console
I was playing mostly on TV and tabletop because I love the ProController, but since I got my Retroflag I play 100% handheld with my Oled and it's a dream 👌❤💯
Why dualsense is there? 😂
Guys are too picky i got a nyxi coming and im excited! I hate the wavebirds triggers in truth
24:50 perfect summary of this guy, literally “If it’s not first party I HATE IT!” Then go and buy a first party
It's already been 3 years???? Holly shit time flies
The NYXI controller is awesome! I just hope they make the c-stick be replaceable, everything about it is amazing.
This is indeed an interesting video. I loved GameCube back in the day and love the feel of the controller but nowadays I think I need the diamond A B X Y layout.
Something that wasn't mentioned, and I wish it was, was that a lot of these controllers feel super wonky in-game so while there's certainly "button and stick feel," sticks specifically are notoriously funky and weird in third party controllers, with an annoying tendency to "snap" to the X and Y axis, making playing games like Mario 64 feel absolutely wrong and clunky when it came to those N64 controllers that were coming out a few years back.
No one ever tests Mario's movements with those N64 third party controllers, and its the best test to use. OEM N64 is smooth as butter despite how much people complain about the stick, while the new third party ones all snap to the X and Y axis, and make moving Mario in true analog space impossible. There's always a notable step at like a 15-20 degree push away from the axis that snaps it on to the zero.
I think my favorite one is the Retro Flag. I have seen a couple other videos on that controller. I would buy that one since it actually attaches to the Switch and would help me hold the Switch. I think that one also comes in a variant for the OLED.
Switch controller i have is weird in the motion for the TV. (i have house of the dead remake) It starts to wonder then it's off center. At least there is a auto calibration button. The wii motion plus was better when i tried house of the dead 2 and 3 and some other gun games.
Hope they settle joycon drift. i don't have that issue i don't think.
I still think third party controllers need to put in all the features of the console.
What's the point of a controller if it doesn't use a feature implemented in a game. What are you suppose to do? Like switch rumble or gyro.
I guess just a bunch of PC controllers that partly work on that console.
Wonder why they didn't keep the GameCube design. It was pretty awesome. It feels weird playing smash bros without the GameCube controller.
Shank might be the only other super particular face button weirdo like me. People always talk about the sticks and triggers and all the extra functionality, but really I need about 2 hours of just clicking the face buttons before I know if I wanna buy the thing.
The Smash Gamecube controllers are expensive? I bought 4 complete in box for the price of maybe 2 pairs of joy con.
Power A Wireless GameCube style controller is my favorite controller. Just my favorite controller ever. I play every game (that supports a Pro Controller) with it.
How are the ABXY buttons on the Retroflag? Are they clicky, mushy, or springy? Thanks in advance!
Now that the BINBOK Gamecube Joy Cons have been released, I'd really like you to have look at them if possible!
I still want those shank joycon mods with a grip attachment than the one is out in the market. Please make it happen!
thankfully I found this video before pulling the trigger on buying a nyxi wizard that has come back in stock
Anyone have any info on how to find those 3d print files from Camp at 20:49 ?
Anyone know what brand or maker the first set oif joycons showed at approx 3:00 are?
not the squirt gun
I hate the Switch Pro controller, I definitely would give that one to a younger sibling lmfao
Btw you guys are missing the exlene controller. That one is KICK ASSS
Shank looked shy and all, but it's graet to see this in my notification despite being drunk.
Where is the best controller of the Switch ?
The EXLENE gamecube controller ?
I think they already know they are just trying to make them with the cheapest resources possible 😂
The guy on the left really looks like David Mitchell lol
I can see it a little bit.
Nice to see Todd Howard.... *squints* I mean ShankMods on the channel.
This Wizard Controller have never Stickdrift, right?
I don't wanna wait 3 months to get nyxi gamecube joycons :'[
21:08 love shank but you CANNOT start a sentence like this
Hey Kev, what do you do!? With all that controles!!!
is there a joucon that uses the 3ds style slide sticks...cus id like to see that
Where did you get that Bull enamel??? My dad want one 🤭
The original & best vs attempts at cloning them.