DOC HARLEY: BEAT THE HEAT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2015
- Doc Harley from the Service Clinic at Low Country Harley-Davidson to help you with the health of your motorcycle! Here he talks about how to beat the heat during the dog days of summer!
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July 2022 and you’re still helping us out.
Iv listened to a lot of mechanics. Doc is the best explaining I can understand.
Great subscription!
Thanks Doc.
Boy isn't he he's the greatest
I’m going to try this on my 21 street glide when I get home. Thanks doc, you are the man.
Nicely done, Doc. I appreciate the tip about the EIMS. I read about it in my owners manual when I first bought my bike. I will have to check it the next time I ride.
Good tips Doc. We use the bandana and hydrating vests here in the desert.
You make a great teacher brother. All the best.
In Louisiana's summer heat and humidity, the bandana technique really helps. Freezing the soaked bandana prior to a ride is even better and it cools for a surprisingly long time.
Great point!...Doc
thanks and well explained... was'nt sure about this system ,.as you said it automatically resets as well ....cheers
neck coverage is one thing I always forget about and I have several of those cooling towels that are designed to hold more water for that purpose.
Great tips, Doc!
I use the reefer brand oil cooler with twin electric cooling fans on my dyna s/b. I bypassed the thermo switch which activates at a particular temp to turn on the fans. I can turn the fans on whenever I choose. That w/synthetic oil has to help.
Another good clip-thanks!
Great video ! Thanks
Great video, Doc. Thanks! Owner: 2018 HD Street Glide Special
Great advice
My Softail is healthier after following your advice Doc ! Thank you sooo much. Best regards, richard Indonesia.
Love your videos
Gr8 tips, thanks
Doc, I was stationed at the air base back in the 80’s & 90’s and always had a bike; a Kawasaki & a AMF Sporty later on. You are a genuine guy and although I am over 1300 miles away now, you make me feel at home. Palmetto hospitality! I just enabled EITMS on my RGS and am glad it’s there to use. Thanks brother.
Gotta love all the videos telling people how to fix defects on NEW motorcycles.....
Wow Grizzly, I am glad you have taken the time to watch our videos since you have no “Defects” on your old school bike. Must be great riding a perfect bike…Doc
some 20 years ago I was going threw the Nevada desert in a t-shirt trying to keep cool, an old timer said to get my t shirt completely wet in the sink, put it on, then put your leather jacket on and zip it up with air vent open. It was a bonafide swamp cooler A/C and keep the drying wind off too...As for the bike, Red Line 20w-60 keeps the oil pressure up in extreme heat.
I have used the bandana trick for years. I always have one on my bike no matter what and I used one at work tucked under my shirt at work. It really helps specially with a breeze blowing over it.
So you tuck your banana under your shirt. How do you get the breeze to blow over it? Also, is it even legal to ride down the road with your freaking banana in the breeze? Good trick though.
@@Emptypockets51 I soak them and freeze 2 before every ride in Missouri. We run 100+ 100% humidity. Every little bit helps. I also like apes due to the cooling effect of air entering your shirt and cooling your body.
Yah buddy. I got into the gardner Express way Toronto, watching my oil temp bump up.
I’m new to Motorcycle game thanks doc!
I am a H and D Man but wise enough to know all Florida bikes out there with no heating problem in hot weather
If I or my bike gets hot...I park under a yard sprinkler system. Get naked and drink beer...
Phil Layman I knew I seen you somewhere before
@@albertlopez5017 LMAO!!!
I need to try that and see if it was installed on my 2007 Street Glide. I know some have it and some had it installed later. My oil temp last weekend showed 288 deg. Insanely hot. Really should not get that bad under 40K miles in my opinion.
To add to what’s been said here to reduce heat on my 09 flhtcu that resulted in a much better running more comfortable motorcycle are as follows:
Installed a ultra cool oil cooler with dual thermostatically controlled cooling fans.
Note: when an oil cooler is needed most is sitting still in stop/go/stop traffic or at slow road speeds & without the hvy dty Elec cooling fans to force/move cool air thru the oil cooler sitting still in summer heat they are almost useless till you get back up to road higher road speed again offering no temp reduction of oil or the motor with no cooling fans doing just that!
Installed love jugs smaller diameter dual cooling fans
that attach to horn mount on left side of bike,you can manukau turn them on as needed or install optional thermostat to do it for you.
Installed adjustable XEID resistors inline with the 02 sensors that change the voltage signal to ecm that controls fuel calibration allowing you to richen up fuel calibration at idle,off idle to midrange & all thru midrange fuel curve a bit/just enough to make the motor idle & run smoother with better throttle response
With only a 1mpg hit in mpg which is well worth the better running motor and bit richer fuel mix can reduce engine temp too.
Went to external crankcasebreather to remove the extreme hot blowby crankcase gases with hot oil mist form being injected by the motor making it run hotter & carbon up combustion chambers over time increasing compression causing motor to detonate even on premium fuel.
After testing mult dif mfg’s 20w-50 semi blend & full syn oil I stayed with either Spectro semi blend or full syn motorcycle specific oil that’s properly formulated for lrg air cooled Hd v-twins.
I also found Spectro oil to be superior in the trans & prim case too,I used their syn oils specifically formulated for hd’s 6spd trans along with their std Dino (85W?) also specifically formulated for hd’s prim case too,can always find neutral np with proper clutch adj!
Run chevron Techron injector/comb chamber cleaner at 1.5oz per gal fuel thru 2 tanks fuel in a row just before I do 3k mile oil & filter changes.
Bottom line was doing all the above yo the 09 flhtcu I had resulted in the following improvements.
* Reduced oil temp approx 50deg f in summer cond which in turn increased oil pressure at idle by approx 5-7psi & @ cruise by approx 8-10psi. It ask made the valve train stay dead quiet at all times which at the same time reducing oil temp 50 deg significantly reduces engine temp too.
Could now go back to running cheaper 91 octane fuel Hd rec’s for that bike because the Motor running much cooler stopped detonating on it & I could the stop running more expensive 93octane fuel.
Motor started much easier/faster post fueling up on hot days because starter,battery & engine in general were not overheated & heat soaked anymore.
The engine retained most all of the power:trq it used to loose in summer feeling soggy to now retaining crisp throttle response.
There is was considerably less heat coming off the engine making it noticeably cooler & more enjoyable to ride esp in summer heat.
Those were hands down the best bang for my buck improvements & mods I did to that bike that resulted in a much better running & performing bike that’s was more comfortable to ride too.
Another plus to the oil/engine running considerably cooler is all the gaskets,seals(esp valve seals) & plastic tensioners in cam box & in primary case too will last much longer not being exposed to excessive heat Mile after Mile after mile too!
Thank you for sharing. Enough information here to start your own TH-cam channel👍…..Doc
thanks doc
Doc, I thought you might have mentioned fans. I've done thousands of miles commuting in Florida and thought about them. I imagine HD would offer them if they thought they needed it. Actually FL summers aren't hotter, just longer as are their red lights.
Here in Arizona it’s ridiculous for riding right now. It was 115 today in Phoenix and will be 116 the rest of the week. Usually ride to work everyday but I also take advantage of owning a car too when I can lol
Doc, I drink that much water I'd have to stop every half hour to pee! Love your vids!
I have a 2006 FXSTI I had the exhaust cams changed for a different profile which opens the exhaust valve more. Sorry no more info but I think it was an Andrews cam. The engine does run cooler. I live in Scotland so it is probably never as hot as you guys in the US have.
So the motor has to be running to change the engine management system I thought it just had to be on accessories but you're the doctor
I sure glad I watch this I was panicking when it felt like one of the cylinders weren’t firing when I was coming into idle and it’s hot up here. And I remembered these motors had that feature
superb !
I own a 2012 FLHTC best way to keep that engine cool is get rid of those fucking 2 into 1 pipes and the catalytic converter replace the headers and new exhaust pipes it's amazing how much cooler the bike runs
Why should someone have to go through all that?
Nothing wrong with a good 2 into 1, see Bassani and Thunderheader.
2 to 1 exhaust creates more power
thanks!
You would have to keep turning on and off the engine idle management set if you're in stop-and-go traffic so what's to use
Not a bad video. Clear, easy to understand terms, but I have to admit one thing - if Doc has been riding for any amount of time and never heard of the bandana trick, then I'd love to know where he's been riding. I've been riding since 1978 and discovered that trick in my first year of riding.
As for keeping the engine cool, I ride a 2003 Road King Classic, so I don't have the electronic temperature management system on my scoot. Personally, if I wanted to ensure my engine stayed cool then I'd buy and install a set of cylinder fans instead of an oil cooling system. They're about the same price but the fans do a much better job of cooling off the engine than the extra oil will.
Sir I have a 2007 FLHTC. After getting trapped for hours on one of our main motorways by a crashed and overturned container truck in high summer I fitted a set of Love Jugs. Other makes are no doubt available. No more worry about low oil pressure and overheating in stuck traffic, something this overcrowded and transport-inept island specialises in during rush hour.
@@johnedwards1685 I bought and installed a set of Love Jugs in August 2019 and love them!
Good tips sir. Do u or any one here know if 2007 flh models have the eitms feature?
I've run large oil coolers on my bikes since the 1980s. Modern HD owners just buy what's pretty. I install what works. If you like parades your stationary fans will do more blowing on an oil cooler than blowing on external engine cooling fins.
i usually just turn on the ac
An old farm trick I learned is the night before a ride take water bottles poor out about a third down the sink and put them in the freezer. The next morning top off with water and you'll have nice cold water most of the day especially if put a plastic bag with ice in your hard bag. As the day goes by the ice in the water bottle melts and you have continued cool water to drink. Also if you wear a bandanna on top of your head wet it as well
I run a ultra cool oil cooler on my 04 flhrsi works great
Me too
Does a 2022 tri glide come with an oil cooler and if so where is it located at
Hi Doc. I watch your channel and I´d like to suggest a theme to your next epsiodes. What do you think to talk about carbonization in motor. I known this effect could be not much frequent in USA, but around the world, carbonization is very common, specially in Brazil where gas is very poor in comparisson to gas in USA. Thanks in advance.
Hi Doc Harley,
I own a 2013 sportster 883. in Maltese islands summer the ambient temp goes 110F, the Harley oil goes up to 180F, do you agree with turning engine off at traffic lights or stationery traffic(no oil cooler fitted). Thanks a lot for sharing lots of your knowledge it helps me loads.
As long as oil temps dont go above 220° or so and you dont feel like it has less power, you're good.
I use a CamelBak so I can drink while driving to stay hydrated. For additional cooling, I simply pour water down the neck of my shirt. Bandannas get too hot once they dry. Also use a quality sunscreen...
Just squeeze the bite vale at 70mph and you have misting cooler.
I started using a CamelBak years ago and what a good idea. When ever we would stop for gas i would ask the counter person if i could get ice from the soda machine not one place ever turned me down . I have been riding HD ULTRAS since 94,bought a new 2010 ultra limited which i still have. When we ride 2up i wear the CamelBak on my chest it gives my better half more room behind me and its easy for the both of us to get a drink The next gas stop we refill we also snack along the open highway like jerky and other items
Can I do this on my 08. With a 103 upgrade and cam
Is there a oil pan for a twin cam too ?????
Do VRods have engine management idle system?
Doc how about a parade duty fan I had one on My flhtci in Sturgis it made a big difference
I have not seen this accessory available since the side car went away...Doc
So does it automatically shut itself off once you roll on the throttle
I have a 2018 road king, its super bad ass!
You mean super lard ass.
Thx buddy
Here's my tech tips install a set of Cool Master Love Jugs,great for stop and go situations,external breather system so you only suck in cool air instead of hot oily air then i installed a non fan assisted 10 row jagg oil cooler,this was done on my 2014 fatboy lo, monitoring my temp is my V& H FP3 fuel pack temperature above 250 is a rarity with these additions i concede the love Jugs arent attractive but my wallet is.
Thanks for sharing. I too choose the Jeggs 10 row with a fan……Doc
Mmm my old eve dont have temperature management and when it gets really hot i lose 3rd and 4th gears
Why not a radiator? I know it's newer tech but it works.
so cool that you can even freeze... LOL
Interesting what you were saying about the engine management system and shutting off the rear cylinder. Which years of touring bikes has this feature? Thanks
2008 the beginning of throttle by wire. Thanks ~ Doc
Never heard of shutting one cylinder off in a motorcycle before. When it is shut off does it also shut the injector off so no gas is going into it? ( one would hope). I know cars have played with this theory for years with the old Cadillac 4,6,8 motors which would switch off a couple of cylinders if they are not being used. I was never sold on that feature or these new cars that the whole motor shuts off whenever they stop and then it has to start again when you set off. To me that causes more wear and tear on a motor especially if you're starting and stopping in traffic all the time. Usually this is in hot weather when people have their air conditioning going in the car as well, so with the motor off the air conditioning will not run and you'll want to open the windows until you get going again. Now if it's hot and muggy and raining at the same time you don't want to open your windows so now, you got a problem. Also in winter, the hardest thing to do is restart the motor when it's cold and you're asking this motor to start and stop all the time? Every time the motor stops, oil drains down into the pan, leaving less lubrication on the top end. I don't subscribe to these newfangled solutions supposedly designed to save gas and CO2 emissions. I think they are just a gimmick to help sell cars. If they really wanted to save on gas and CO2 emissions they would simply make the engines way more efficient than they are. I'm sure you've heard of the story of the Jetta in Germany getting 65 miles to the gallon while the same car in United States was only getting 30?
Just need more videos
Wish I could do that on the Sporty I have in Thailand
Ride it into the Ocean, problem solved.
so what is the maximum temperature for a Softail Milwaukee 8 run and should I add more oil to my dipstick if it's about six dots from the bottom hot and on the Jiffy stand
Harley-Davidson has never published a Max Temp.
I fill 3/4 of the oil stick. Leaving room for breathing....Doc
Add an oil cooler and upgrade the oil pump. It took my engine temp down 25° on 90° days. When I gas up I use the bathroom to splash water on my head and face leaving it dripping wet down my shirt. It refreshes greatly.
Thanks for the tips!...Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson welcome, I hope it helps someone with staying cool and alert.
If you think Harley's get hot you haven't ridden a Kawasaki Voyager. I had a 2009 Voyager that you just about had to get off the bike it got so hot. They tell me Kawasaki put a fan in there in later models. Never had an issue with my 2011 Ultra Classic.
Doc I have a 2020 H-D sportster 48 my first Harley are things I can buy or do to keep it cooler in stop & go traffic
Air cooled Harleys weren't really designed for stop and go traffic.
Your best bet would be to trade it for a water cooled Indian. People here might hate, but at least you're still supporting an American company.
What about Harley adding water cooled engines to the line up, like the rest did 40 years ago?
It’s “Engine Idle Temperature Management System”. Oops forgot the word Temperature. That was the subject, Temperature.
When did this temp manager system appear, and on which models? 2004 Softails?
1932, one cylinder would just die out.
Would activating the engine idle temperature Management system mess with my power commander settings?
I would say no, but that's a question to ask a Harley tech. Call your local dealership and ask them.
Wait, wait, wait….. Don’t unnecessarily rev my Harley-Davidson motorcycle?!
Doc I have a Roadking special 2020 114 stage two a wedge ac at 75 mph the rear cylinder seams to get hot and screaming eagle exhaust the timp at the rear exhaust run 470 hot how can I cool it off and would you know the crossover pipe size to the muffler on left side thanks sir
1 3/4" on the pipe size. As for heat. I do not have a guarantee solution. I have purchase an shield insulator kit and that dropped temp enough to put my leg down at stop lights. while riding I will stick my knee out to catch air to cool the rear pipe....Doc
Wear a long sleeve shirt too It also will keep u cooler Remember yr body core temp is around 98 degrees If its over 100 n yr sleeve less Yr body taking a lot of heat A long sleeve shirt helps u sweat n as yr riding It's almost like ac
Wrap a bandana around your neck and be “Cooler”. Advise from the Doc!
Hey doc, I have the updated water pump. If I have the EITMS Disabled, do the cooling fans still operate normally? They work when I test them by the way. Thanks.
Yes the fans will still function when needed. Thanks ~ Doc
Is that the same in a night rod special
If you are talking about a V-Rod, no. With 5 quarts of oil and completely water cooled, iIt keeps a constant temp, and has fans to help in slow moving traffic. Thanks ~ Doc
This would have been a lot more helpful if Doc would give years and models with tip 2. Not all bikes have cruise/engine idle management.
2008 and above Touring models have it. Anything else before that - like my 2003 Road King Classic - doesn't.
My 2016 softail deluxe has it. Check your manuals.
@@traveller4790 2006 with EFI had it as well.
What year n Bike is the Engine Idle System on ?
Thanks
I believe it started in 2014 with Touring models…..Doc
Doc Harley, How many FLHXS were built in Preformance Orange in 2020 ?
That is a great question for the guys working in the Harley-Davidson Museum. Call, send an email or make plans to visit the museum once this COVID is gone. Thanks ~ Doc
The bandana trick is great...for five minutes, then it dries out.
Guys like you complain about a BJ.
Is that not like Doc or what....Always trying to help people have a awesome ride with safety remember what God says? Psalms 33:17:." An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength" But from where does real safety come? Proverbs 21:31." The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD." God always have people like Doc to bless and help people so they live and are healthy and that is what we all art to be thanking God and people like Doc for..Remember Psalms 107? Yes Truly " Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! " Every Evil Bad thing God is blamed when all evil bad things come from the devil Isaiah 14:17.& Hebrews 2:14.B.& Luke 4:5-13.Thanks Doc! LYBIC The Rebel
rebel oneal l enjoy your words!
here came the god BS .. comon only difference between god and the devil is god had a better publicist.. oh and that the devil is no mass murderer .. according to the bible at least :-p
My m8 rk doesn't seem to get very hot, that eitms seems to work well.
Home run hd!
So lemme guess - you're trying to impress us by using the Roman numeral for 2000 instead of the Arabic numbers like the rest of the world? FAIL.
@@traveller4790 M8 is the abbreviation for the Milwaukee Eight engine
@@02lo96 That explains it. Thank you.
What does everyone think about cooling fans can you please give me some advice on that if it works or not I'm in South Florida where is hot all the time
I highly recommend fans on oil coolers. I don't have factual history on Luv Jugs fans....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks for the information I really appreciate it
Does sportster 2015 have the eims?
No....Doc
I was recently riding in 38 degree Celsius conditions on my 2019 Ultra. I had quite a noticeable amount of "kicking and pinging". I was using 91 octane gas. Any comments?
An unusual question under this video. First of course take it to your dealer for Diag. Next. Any codes when you access the on board diagnostics? This could be as simple as a bad tank of fuel. Water in the fuel from the condensation in the underground fuel cells. Then there is the question of modiiications done to your bike with a proper dyno tune? Did this just start or slowly getting worse? I then would be suspicious of the hard plastic manifold failing. Bring the answers and other information to your favorite Harley Tech……Doc
If you have an aftermarket cam and tune, will the eitms be screwed up?
Most tuners I have used offer this option. Piggy back tuners don't effect this option in the ECM. Thanks ~ Doc
Will chrome engine covers cause extremely nigh temps? Also what temp is too high for a 2013 RG?
I do not have Facts for you. It is my opinion that Our motors are Air cooled. I want as much air to reach my motor as possible. I personally do not put covers on my motor or transmission.
As for your question on Temperature. HD has never published a "too high" temperature. I watch the engine temp in the dyno room and try to keep it between 230-280F. This is for a Big Twin. Sportsters are allowed 320F as an acceptable running temperature......When you stop and think about this motor, it is totally amazing how it runs from dead cold to blazing death vally heat and stays together....Doc
Do sportsers have idle management in the 2012 Nightster line?
No...Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thanks for the prompt reply doc!
Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS) is it for touring model only?
What year bikes HAVE EITMS?
My 2016 softail has it.
Hey Doc, can a Lowrider S, dual cam, be fitted with Milwaukee 8 heads?
No. If you want an engine upgrade the best route is replacing the engine with an S&S.
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PUT THE WET BAND-DA-NA ON THE TWIN CAM ENG TO COOL IT.
Does my 2009 heritage soft tale have the eitms?
Did not come standard from factory. I believe there is a standard download with that feature. Ask your local dealer to see if it is still available. Thanks ~ Doc
New bike to me. Riding in some heat and went into shutdown on rear cly. So Harley-Davidsons dealership with have to disable that feature? Spooky on new bike you just purchased!
Sorry your dealer sales person did not explain with heat saving feature. Depending on the year of your bike, you can turn this off. Thanks ~ Doc
Low Country Harley-Davidson used bike ,but new to me 2009 Heritage . Thanks much for your help. I don’t have Cruise control so I think dealership would have to turn off.
Wear a light colored long sleeve shirt - or better yet a light colored mesh m/c jacket. Sunscreen on your face (spf 30 or higher).
Hey Doc, you made me think of a question. My '04 FLHRS TC88A Carb 102K MILES compression tests @ 140psi front, and 139psi rear - down about 16% from new. With compression a little lower than new, does it take more air/fuel to achieve the same MPH than when new (~163psi)? (e.g. 75 MPH) ... and therefore generate more heat on hot days in the 90's at higher speeds? Thx
A great question to think about. Your bike will definitly be working harder to achieve 75 with less compression. You will be turning the throttle a few degrees more than new and will have to twist more to accel. All this will have the Carb fuel system adding more fuel. So Yes it is possible your bike is running hotter , working harder to keep that smile on your face....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson , thx for taking my question. I hear that 20% down means rebuild time. Is that what you advise?
Does a 2014 Trike have this feature? I don't know anything about this as this is my first Harley.
It was a software option....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I'll have to try it out and see if I have it, I guess, Thanks.
I drive a truimph rocket 3 tourer 2008 model
BFF
Question, when the engine idle management system kicks in does that effect the voltage output, when my 2014 Ultra Limited kicks in my voltage drops from 14volts down to 12 to 12.5 Volts.. is that normal? After my dealer changed the voltage regulator, battery and the the stator under warranty thank God, it still did it and they said it was normal operation.. IDK??
Not knowing what lights, accessories you have on our Ultra it is hard to say. Yes when engine management kicks in the idle is at its lowest which in turn means the alternator/stator is turning slower and not putting out a lot. At a stop you are applying brake lights, headlights, aux lights plus stereo. A lot of demand. If your battery is over 2 years old capacity is declining. I wish the dealer had offered you an up sell to the 54 amp high output charging system. This puts out a lot more at idle. Thanks ~ Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I will look into the upgrade to the 54 amp charging system, all I have is stock equipment, no extras. The reason it went into the shop was that it stalled once at a stop light when the idle went down and the volts went from 14 to 12 volts it cut off on me one time. On hot days 90 plus the voltage at a stop sign in town traffic, will drop and the bike sounds like its going to cut off.. thanks, Bryan (From Maryland).
Harley Davidson superlow 883 over hot and back cylinder cut off
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