I love the contrast between the Alpha Legion and the Dark Angels. Having their fair share of heresy and traitors but both being honest to throne loyal.
I'm convinced Alpharius is with Eisenhorn simply because it's the most Alpharius outcome: totally unexpected after 10,000 years of randos using your name. Plus, Valdor reuinion!
I like the theory that Alpharius and Omegon opted to enact both prophecies simultaneously so that neither would be correct. They split, both traitor and loyalist. Omegon, after swapping places with Alpharius, was indeed killed by Dorn, but Alpharius lives on (imo as Cypher) and was not slain by Guilliman.
Big spoiler for the arks of omen books Vashtor had help from alpha legion marines disguised as death watch to find the rock, which would eventually lead to the lion waking up. I believe they helped him to help the imperium.
I love the Redacted, I also love the fact that the tech marine merged parts of Tau tech with their Plasma tech to solve the Meltdown problem with pladma guns. Plasma fusils essentially.
I wonder if those Alpha Legionairre's that were in stasis below The Imperial Palace are still there in M42? Hardly anybody in universe know they're down there but imagine if Guilliman or The Lion finds that out....
Yeah if anyone finds them they’re absolutely fucked lol but only Dorn knew of those passages and he’s gone so MAYBE they’re there but we need to wait until The End and The Death Volume 2 for that
People forget that from the Alpharius book, that, while, of course, it could be a lie, Alpharius and Omegon switched names with each other, meaning that Dawn killed a Omegon, who was calling himself Alpharius, and due to his death, the real Alpharius took back his name in honor of his dead brother
I see Omegon as Alpharius in Omegon's body. I believe they swapped minds early in the cursade and when Alpharius died, he had Omegon's mind in him as they didn't switch back due to not having the proper trigger word. So therefor in current setting, Alpharius is alive but he believes the lie that he is Omegon.
IMO with the Lion returning and redeeming the 'risen' I could see that as a good lore-hook to allow Loyalist Chaos warbands to rejoin the Imperium in a full fashion. IMO the setting is more interesting if we can have Loyalist chapters of traitor legions and fallen warbands of loyalist legions.
I think that the Alpha Legion is loyal, they are just incredible pragmatic. They did not believe in propaganda during the Great Crusade, but know that is was a never ending duty to contain the weakness of mankind. They have a habit of using covert missions as a cover for covert missions. They do not believe in the concept of a fair and honorable fight. A fight is a fight, everything else is just romantic nonsense. And that there are alway more that 2 sides in a configt. Take the Horus Heresy, there was Horus/chaos vs the Emperor, but also xenos and other powers that interfered as is fit their interest. So the Alpha Legion had more that one set of spies to be mindful of each time they did stuff. Horus spies, Imperial spies and Cabal spies.
Something else I had wondered about. Deathwatch Watch Masters will sometimes accept Blackshield Astartes who have forsworn their previous chapters. I could see Alpha Legion Blackshields serving in the Deathwatch.
The Omega Legion guys seem like an interesting development in the overarching story. It would really be the most Alpha Legion thing ever to have them pop up to sow confusion and discord in the traitor ranks while pruning ineffective and corrupt Imperial agents, all right under the Inquisition’s nose.
The best part is that in sons of the hydra it's confirmed that he is the primarch that knew malcador the closest so it would make sense if he knew the ins and outs of the inquisition
Really dig the omega legion idea though I’ve always thought alpharius was alive and Omegon dead regardless still firmly believe one of the Primarchs is loyal and very much alive
Thank you for this. I've been saying that Alpha Legion, at its core, is loyalist and that their Primarch is alive. Even Guilliman is sure that Alpharius is actually alive because of how they responded after the supposed death of Alpharius when they fought. I'm also convinced that Omegon is actually Alpharius, the one that landed on Terra and is ultimately loyal, and the one that died on Pluto was actually Omegon.
I want everything alpha legion does is according to plan, a plan set by the emperor and malcador 10k years ago. Would be really cool if it turns out that the alpha legion is actually the most loyal legion of them all in the end.
I belive truly that Omegon Died in the Heresy because of Omegon being the owner of the Alien Spear and scaled armor and Omegon being the double for Alpharius himself. Same idea tho of a Omega black legion.
I am an Alpha Legion fanboy I will admit, currently making my Chaos Kill team Alpha Legion just because I love the lore and aesthetics. As for whom i'd side with. I am more of a neutral to loyalist leaning hydra. While I enjoy the Ghost Legion in theory I find that there are just a few to many OC additions which break it for me. I love the idea of completely neutral AL factions. The radical centrist hydra if you will, but I don't vibe with the separation from Alpharius Omegon. What makes the Legion so special to me is that unlike other primarchs, Alpharius is unique is that he's transcended into basically becoming the legion itself. Alpharius Omegon IS the legion and the Legion is AO. The Ghost legion basically wanting to reject that in my opinion doesn't make them Alpha Legion. I guess my totally ideal faction would be a neutral legion who wish for unity and equality, as did Alpharius wish for unity with his brother. Bend the knee to no other outsider force. Respect but do not revere or worship the emperor. Basically, a long winded way of saying that the Omega Legion is the closest active faction that would meet with my thoughts on the legion.
So I know in M42 there is still at least one war band that all have their face surgically altered and all call themselves Alpharious, so the marine guarding Bequin 2.0 could have hailed from within that warband or simply been from the heresy era
I member readin that Alphareon and Omegon actually split during the heresy (the way I read it anyway). Alphereon went to Horus and Omegon went to Big E. I think the whole Gilliman and Omegon fight was a stage to put him in the shadows to help the Emperor and Gilliman knew and is complicit
It's a shame alot of the chapters that are perceived as being a 1 trick meme have such good depth but get largely ignored in favor of seemingly more popular chapters. I.e all the mono god legions for chaos, and non codex compliant chapters for loyalist. I personally love the unique positions RG and AL sit in when it comes to most of their ambitions and tactics being hard to understand or notice by the larger Imperium....Granted I'm not suggesting the RG are anywhere near as batshit complicated as AL lol. But both chapters will probably never get the credit they deserve and seem to be content with this.. as sad as that sounds for fans of them. Still shouldn't stop GW from giving more unique characters to these factions instead of just making more and more generic captains and lieutenants .....
It's because their schtick doesn't fit the Setting or Narrative of 40k. It's a joke and a meme legion at best. Completely ruined by horrible writing that makes 0 sense and doesn't go with the rest of the lore. This is the cowards legion, for people who are afraid to fight. It was a woke pacifist nod
@@OldGoat-cw8he Too long to be a strawman and too dumb to be bait. If AL don't fit the "setting" (w.e the hell that's supposed to mean) by larger extent neither does anyone exemplifying their traits for stealth and subterfuge. Officio Assassinorum, RG&NL, GSC&NIds, Ork commandos, Eldar, Dark eldar,Tzeeentch, Tau, the entire existence of each chapters 10th scout company and vanguard forces. But surely all the lore and books covering these forces and factions where written by folk with 0 sense for the setting and you're not just being hyperbolic by labeling a style of warfare as "pacifist" and "cowardly"......
There's so much going on all over the place with this legion and I love it. I am just itching for the next fix of Alpha legion lore. I WANNA KNOW MORE. I have so many different theories that I can't ever stick with one about this legion. I've seen some theories indicating that Alpha is the beginning and Omegon is the end which means an Omegon legion coming to the light could make sense. I believe the emperor set up the horus heresy so he could become a god and I believe the Alpha (Omegon) legion is Gunna play a big part soon I hope.
There are loyalist from every legion, and traitors from every legion. It was never so simply cut and dry. having traitor legions and loyal legions would be very un-warhammer, because the setting is painted in shades of grey. Like take the dark angels for example; classically a loyal legion. There were more traitor dark angels then any other. Luther had a legion sized force of fallen loyal to him. call them what you will. The Emperor knows his own.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I Think The Emperor allowed Malcador to do two things in a semi independent manner, the Inquisition / Grey Knights and the Alpha(Omega) Legion. The true quesiton is, did Alpharius Omegon did one of them survive>? and If so what did they do with with Raptor Project data they stole? Either way they will be there in the end if there is one.
I know this sounds a bit silly. But do the alpha legionnaires in dawn of war soulstorm count as their own group? Because they seemed to have fully embraced chaos unlike the others who just use it as a tool.
There are most certainly servants of the dark gods amongst the Alpha Legion. There are a few lore mentions of them starting many daemon worshipping cults and, while rare, still having Dark Apostles and even a named Daemon Prince.
Alpharius is legit dead. He shot out light when Dorn killed him and Omegon sensed it. I believe Omegon is alive and that Guilliman killed a souped-up Astartes Demi-primarch body-double on Eskrador. I’d love to see Omegon return to the setting, making himself known to Guilliman. Then when Guilliman is just about to rage and attack / kill Omegon, the Emperor has a rare moment of lucidity and tells Guilliman “You don’t want to do that…” Then Omegon and Guilliman / Johnson pow-wow and Omegon is “redeemed” as a loyalist Primarch, running his traitor legion from the shadows. That would be cool.
If each primarch represents an aspect of the emperor, Alpharaius clearly represented the convoluted, hypocritical, self sabotaging and overall counterproductive side of the emperor.
i agree (hope) that the alpha legion is mostly loyal but you seem to have missed or glossed over the fact that there was another alpha legion there that ingo had to kill when john and him were looking for a way to start the vehicles who was sent to give the other code word... iirc
Yeah I thought that was weird, Herzog had another keyword triggered to fight for Chaos…did they trigger other agents for each of the keywords and just let them loose?? Have the Emperor sort them out?
Awesome video 1 Primarch is still alive Gulliman killed a fake Alpharius Currently lore has 000s of legion, x2 gloriana capital ships and fleet just dissappear And odd story of few Al renegades here and there Alpha Legion story has been messy and unclear by gw as they didn't go to the eye So recent books been a bit meh trying to fix this big open mess but still too many holes Alpha Legion have been central to all lore in 30k but 40k authors now trying to play fix up due to them missing despite being an extremely powerful legion The recent Mike Brooks renegade series has the pale spear recovered from the inquisitor I expect other stuff to be retrieved As per other Primarchs weapons coming back like vulkan stuff Then Primarchs return Pale spears return kinda follows this trend I'm expecting Alpharius /Omegon (one of them to come back) and the legion in mass returns to the imperium Would be complex like lion (and the fallen) and would be alot of drama between brothers inquisitors etc End and the death book 1 and 2 and Bequin ( book 3 pandemonium) will have links and Alpha legion are part of it So hopefully we get more info on them moving forward and Alpha legion Pandamonium will move 40k.lore foward in a massive way as noted by Abnett
the funniest thing i think is that everyone conveniently forgets that at the end of the heresy when omegon disguised as wlpharius was killed by rogal dorn, before the siege of terra aloharius disguised as omegon now assuming the title of alpharius again goes to horus and says he’s out after giving him the intel of terra’s defenses. but again, all records lie
and also it’s important to note that loyalty in a sense to loyalty to the imperium doesn’t necessarily mean loyalty for the emperor, and that alpharius was always loyal, he just did what he did because he needed to go along with omegon and keep the legion unified whereas omegon grew up on distant worlds not learning that loyalty to the emperor and having that personal connection to him as a son, alpharius was the first found and basically the emperors sleeper agent everywhere, he was there when all his brothers were found, and he was the one who snuck into the throne room to prove the defense were shit and even killed a custodies in the process, ain’t no way the whole legion could still be called traitors outright
My opinion is that the Alpha Legion was split because the twins were split. Alpharius and Omega and couldn't decide on which side they wanted to be with. Which led to confusion within the ranks as well as their conflicting. Battle tactics, such as letting the white scars go and stuff like that.Whomever died on Pluto? Was probably the one who set the course for the Alpha Legion. From there on out, either they are loyalists that are trying to redeem themselves by sabotaging chaos, or their chaos. You know, through and through. In either case, I still enjoy the Alpha Legion for all the just crazy nonsense that goes on within them.
Just a slight problem, we get a discription of his soul leaving his body and also omegons reaction to his twins death Granted, I belive the soul of a Primarch can be lured back into a physical body or choose to do so on its own as seen with the clones of ferrus and fulgrim so there's possibilities to bring back Alpharius anyway
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Alright, you got me. I am actually Omegon, pretending to be Alpharius. This however, is a lie. For in reality, I am Alpharius and I am merely pretending to be Omegon disguised as Alpharius.
I dont think, that any of the loyal Legions will ever trust the Alpha Legion to be loyal. So in the end, even if they are partly loyal, they have to stay in the shadows.
I’m with Dorn on this one, their crimes are so grave it doesn’t matter what their intent is. Also, m42? We’re still in m41 if you recall the passages from Dark Imperium where Guilliman says the calendars are out by a thousand years. Cool video, well produced!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary that’s what was retconned, in Dark Imperium Guilliman laments that nothing of his fathers Imperium has survived, not even the clocks. After Guilliman reviews the so called chrono war we learn that we are still in m41. It’s a clever way for Gw to keep the timeline in the year 40,000
@@MariusGage its "possible" were in 41. I think guilliman said there was a margin of error of up to a thousand years. It's a 50/50 chance were either in m41 or m42. We just don't know any more.
So...did they retcon that they had marines from the two lost legions "under the palace?" Did the Alpha Legionaires just take their place? Are both just sleeping in pods next to each other?
I love the contrast between the Alpha Legion and the Dark Angels. Having their fair share of heresy and traitors but both being honest to throne loyal.
I'd love to see The Omega Legion become canon.
I would join them
SAME THE LEGION IS LOYAL
I'm convinced Alpharius is with Eisenhorn simply because it's the most Alpharius outcome: totally unexpected after 10,000 years of randos using your name. Plus, Valdor reuinion!
PANDAEMONIUM HYPE
VALDOOOOR, HYPPPUUU
That, or he's actually Cypher. B)
I am Alpharius.
Ok Omegon 😏
"i am Alpharius and so is my wife!"
THIS IS NOT MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE, THIS IS NOT MY BEAUTIFUL HOUSE
I’m alpharius too
HMMMMMMMM
I like the theory that Alpharius and Omegon opted to enact both prophecies simultaneously so that neither would be correct. They split, both traitor and loyalist. Omegon, after swapping places with Alpharius, was indeed killed by Dorn, but Alpharius lives on (imo as Cypher) and was not slain by Guilliman.
This is spy vs spy level of battle just imagine both sides having a sleeper cells in their group trying to sabotage one another.
God that would be awesome, like The Serpent Beneath but as a full arc 👀
@@livefromtheblacklibrary funny how the Hydra See's all but the knife sticking at their backs.
Don't have to. That's literally the plot of Prospero Burns.
TF2 Class Wars but both sides are Spy
Big spoiler for the arks of omen books
Vashtor had help from alpha legion marines disguised as death watch to find the rock, which would eventually lead to the lion waking up. I believe they helped him to help the imperium.
There’s a popular theory that Cypher is actually Omegon in disguise.
Oh don’t you worry I’m gonna cover that 👀
I love the Redacted, I also love the fact that the tech marine merged parts of Tau tech with their Plasma tech to solve the Meltdown problem with pladma guns. Plasma fusils essentially.
I wonder if those Alpha Legionairre's that were in stasis below The Imperial Palace are still there in M42? Hardly anybody in universe know they're down there but imagine if Guilliman or The Lion finds that out....
Yeah if anyone finds them they’re absolutely fucked lol but only Dorn knew of those passages and he’s gone so MAYBE they’re there but we need to wait until The End and The Death Volume 2 for that
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Hopefully Dorn wrote it down but then again; The Custodes probably know and don't care. I do hope the book addresses that
Know and don’t care is probably the most and least Custodes thing
@@livefromtheblacklibrary It is 😹
Like how they know what happened to Primarch's 2 and 11 yet really do not care
I hope they found a way to help my boy Ingo Pech, I BELIEVE that he's still standing around with a mine strapped to his chest
People forget that from the Alpharius book, that, while, of course, it could be a lie, Alpharius and Omegon switched names with each other, meaning that Dawn killed a Omegon, who was calling himself Alpharius, and due to his death, the real Alpharius took back his name in honor of his dead brother
I see Omegon as Alpharius in Omegon's body. I believe they swapped minds early in the cursade and when Alpharius died, he had Omegon's mind in him as they didn't switch back due to not having the proper trigger word. So therefor in current setting, Alpharius is alive but he believes the lie that he is Omegon.
IMO with the Lion returning and redeeming the 'risen' I could see that as a good lore-hook to allow Loyalist Chaos warbands to rejoin the Imperium in a full fashion. IMO the setting is more interesting if we can have Loyalist chapters of traitor legions and fallen warbands of loyalist legions.
I think that the Alpha Legion is loyal, they are just incredible pragmatic.
They did not believe in propaganda during the Great Crusade, but know that is was a never ending duty to contain the weakness of mankind.
They have a habit of using covert missions as a cover for covert missions.
They do not believe in the concept of a fair and honorable fight. A fight is a fight, everything else is just romantic nonsense.
And that there are alway more that 2 sides in a configt.
Take the Horus Heresy, there was Horus/chaos vs the Emperor, but also xenos and other powers that interfered as is fit their interest.
So the Alpha Legion had more that one set of spies to be mindful of each time they did stuff. Horus spies, Imperial spies and Cabal spies.
You forgot Inigo Pech who apparently is still in the bowls of the Palace with a motion sensor mine stuck to his chest!
Something else I had wondered about. Deathwatch Watch Masters will sometimes accept Blackshield Astartes who have forsworn their previous chapters. I could see Alpha Legion Blackshields serving in the Deathwatch.
Look at the farsight ark of omen there’s deathwatch alpha legion there
@@jonathanrichardson9935 I haven't read Arks of Omen yet.
Yeah but those are infiltrators planted by Abbadon and Vashtorr, not blackshields
Alpha legion are my favorite legion, I always see them as loyal. Love the video
Thanks! And same!
Says I am Alpharius and then leaves.
Refuses to elaborate further
The Omega Legion guys seem like an interesting development in the overarching story.
It would really be the most Alpha Legion thing ever to have them pop up to sow confusion and discord in the traitor ranks while pruning ineffective and corrupt Imperial agents, all right under the Inquisition’s nose.
The Inquisition vs The Cooler Inquisition
Wow.. i never looked at it like that. That is the MOST Alpha Legion thing ever when you think about it rationally.
The best part is that in sons of the hydra it's confirmed that he is the primarch that knew malcador the closest so it would make sense if he knew the ins and outs of the inquisition
Really dig the omega legion idea though I’ve always thought alpharius was alive and Omegon dead regardless still firmly believe one of the Primarchs is loyal and very much alive
Yeah same (I say Omegon for convenience)
The Channel The Amber King does a really good video on Alpha legion, and he covers many aspects of why they're still loyal.
Yeah he’s great!
Thank you for this. I've been saying that Alpha Legion, at its core, is loyalist and that their Primarch is alive. Even Guilliman is sure that Alpharius is actually alive because of how they responded after the supposed death of Alpharius when they fought.
I'm also convinced that Omegon is actually Alpharius, the one that landed on Terra and is ultimately loyal, and the one that died on Pluto was actually Omegon.
I want everything alpha legion does is according to plan, a plan set by the emperor and malcador 10k years ago. Would be really cool if it turns out that the alpha legion is actually the most loyal legion of them all in the end.
Did read the alpharius novel? Lots of new details. It pretty much says that the alpha legion is loyal. Omegon was the one killed by Dorn.
Imagine Omegon jail breaking Cawl’s XX Legion Primaris from stasis.
Yay! So many Alpharius!
I belive truly that Omegon Died in the Heresy because of Omegon being the owner of the Alien Spear and scaled armor and Omegon being the double for Alpharius himself. Same idea tho of a Omega black legion.
We have been always loyal… to an extent…
This is a lie.
I am an Alpha Legion fanboy I will admit, currently making my Chaos Kill team Alpha Legion just because I love the lore and aesthetics.
As for whom i'd side with. I am more of a neutral to loyalist leaning hydra. While I enjoy the Ghost Legion in theory I find that there are just a few to many OC additions which break it for me. I love the idea of completely neutral AL factions. The radical centrist hydra if you will, but I don't vibe with the separation from Alpharius Omegon. What makes the Legion so special to me is that unlike other primarchs, Alpharius is unique is that he's transcended into basically becoming the legion itself. Alpharius Omegon IS the legion and the Legion is AO. The Ghost legion basically wanting to reject that in my opinion doesn't make them Alpha Legion.
I guess my totally ideal faction would be a neutral legion who wish for unity and equality, as did Alpharius wish for unity with his brother. Bend the knee to no other outsider force. Respect but do not revere or worship the emperor. Basically, a long winded way of saying that the Omega Legion is the closest active faction that would meet with my thoughts on the legion.
I'm surprised not more lore videos have been done on this topic.
*Maurice Noises*
SOUNDS LIKE AN ALPHARIUS COVER! GET EM BOYS
I hope Omegon comes back next. God in heaven i love the Alpha Legion.
So I know in M42 there is still at least one war band that all have their face surgically altered and all call themselves Alpharious, so the marine guarding Bequin 2.0 could have hailed from within that warband or simply been from the heresy era
I member readin that Alphareon and Omegon actually split during the heresy (the way I read it anyway). Alphereon went to Horus and Omegon went to Big E. I think the whole Gilliman and Omegon fight was a stage to put him in the shadows to help the Emperor and Gilliman knew and is complicit
04:21 Ha! I like your workaround here, and it puts a vision into my head of a T-800 running its final program.
I think it’s both. They are split between loyal and chaos. The loyals are just using the chaos and when the time comes they will kill them all
It's a shame alot of the chapters that are perceived as being a 1 trick meme have such good depth but get largely ignored in favor of seemingly more popular chapters. I.e all the mono god legions for chaos, and non codex compliant chapters for loyalist. I personally love the unique positions RG and AL sit in when it comes to most of their ambitions and tactics being hard to understand or notice by the larger Imperium....Granted I'm not suggesting the RG are anywhere near as batshit complicated as AL lol. But both chapters will probably never get the credit they deserve and seem to be content with this.. as sad as that sounds for fans of them.
Still shouldn't stop GW from giving more unique characters to these factions instead of just making more and more generic captains and lieutenants .....
EXACTLY Raven Guard really need more content and when you look into it Iron Hands actually have some pretty cool lore both during and post heresy
It's because their schtick doesn't fit the Setting or Narrative of 40k. It's a joke and a meme legion at best. Completely ruined by horrible writing that makes 0 sense and doesn't go with the rest of the lore. This is the cowards legion, for people who are afraid to fight. It was a woke pacifist nod
@@OldGoat-cw8he Too long to be a strawman and too dumb to be bait. If AL don't fit the "setting" (w.e the hell that's supposed to mean) by larger extent neither does anyone exemplifying their traits for stealth and subterfuge. Officio Assassinorum, RG&NL, GSC&NIds, Ork commandos, Eldar, Dark eldar,Tzeeentch, Tau, the entire existence of each chapters 10th scout company and vanguard forces. But surely all the lore and books covering these forces and factions where written by folk with 0 sense for the setting and you're not just being hyperbolic by labeling a style of warfare as "pacifist" and "cowardly"......
There's so much going on all over the place with this legion and I love it. I am just itching for the next fix of Alpha legion lore. I WANNA KNOW MORE. I have so many different theories that I can't ever stick with one about this legion. I've seen some theories indicating that Alpha is the beginning and Omegon is the end which means an Omegon legion coming to the light could make sense. I believe the emperor set up the horus heresy so he could become a god and I believe the Alpha (Omegon) legion is Gunna play a big part soon I hope.
We are Alpharius, the legion is one
There are loyalist from every legion, and traitors from every legion. It was never so simply cut and dry. having traitor legions and loyal legions would be very un-warhammer, because the setting is painted in shades of grey. Like take the dark angels for example; classically a loyal legion. There were more traitor dark angels then any other. Luther had a legion sized force of fallen loyal to him. call them what you will. The Emperor knows his own.
I am looking forward to when it comes out Alpharius's Primarch agility is making others with his geneseed Alpharius.
Saying "I am not Alpharius" is something the real alpharius would say.
The more you talk about the Omega Legion, the more I like it. ESPECIALLY if Omegon comes out and is like "I'm actually, truly, Alpharius."
Alpha Legionnaire #1: "I am Omegon."
Alpha Legionnaire #2: "Whut...?"
Alpha Legionnaire #1: "I... mean... Omigawhd... Im Alpharius too!" 😅
Please make a video of ALL the things we can read to get a pulse on Alpha Legion. Also dont apologize anout the videos. You are doing great.
Love your work, this is brilliant.
the alpha legion doesn't have the luxury of letting people know they are the bulwark of the imperium
The hero’s we deserve but don’t need
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I Think The Emperor allowed Malcador to do two things in a semi independent manner, the Inquisition / Grey Knights and the Alpha(Omega) Legion. The true quesiton is, did Alpharius Omegon did one of them survive>? and If so what did they do with with Raptor Project data they stole? Either way they will be there in the end if there is one.
Hydra Dominus !
DOMINATOOS
You thought it was Alpharius. BUT IT WAS ME! DIO!
I know this sounds a bit silly. But do the alpha legionnaires in dawn of war soulstorm count as their own group? Because they seemed to have fully embraced chaos unlike the others who just use it as a tool.
Personally I just kinda overlooked that because they don’t even feel like AL at all, just recoloured CSM
There are most certainly servants of the dark gods amongst the Alpha Legion. There are a few lore mentions of them starting many daemon worshipping cults and, while rare, still having Dark Apostles and even a named Daemon Prince.
I fucking love the 80's music you put in your channel! I love it!!!!
Alpharius is legit dead. He shot out light when Dorn killed him and Omegon sensed it. I believe Omegon is alive and that Guilliman killed a souped-up Astartes Demi-primarch body-double on Eskrador. I’d love to see Omegon return to the setting, making himself known to Guilliman. Then when Guilliman is just about to rage and attack / kill Omegon, the Emperor has a rare moment of lucidity and tells Guilliman “You don’t want to do that…” Then Omegon and Guilliman / Johnson pow-wow and Omegon is “redeemed” as a loyalist Primarch, running his traitor legion from the shadows. That would be cool.
Loyalist legion full of traitors? Imagine Alpha Legion vs Dark Angels and fallen
Jesus Christ that would be something lol
To be fair, the Alpha Legion and the Fallen have worked together in the past. In fact, there was a member of the Fallen that was part of The Redacted.
I wonder what would happen to him now that Lion is back
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Not much, considering the ending of Sons of the Hydra.
Lol yeah I know, I meant hypothetically
If each primarch represents an aspect of the emperor, Alpharaius clearly represented the convoluted, hypocritical, self sabotaging and overall counterproductive side of the emperor.
i agree (hope) that the alpha legion is mostly loyal but you seem to have missed or glossed over the fact that there was another alpha legion there that ingo had to kill when john and him were looking for a way to start the vehicles who was sent to give the other code word... iirc
Yeah I thought that was weird, Herzog had another keyword triggered to fight for Chaos…did they trigger other agents for each of the keywords and just let them loose?? Have the Emperor sort them out?
No hertzog had the keyword to fight for the emperor and Ingo had the word to focus on chaos directly because Actae took control of him
Gah, no you're confusing Omegon with Alpharius. Omegon died to Dorn with his legion thinking he was Alpharius.
Interesting! I have to say after reading Spears of the Emperor by ADB, I wouldn't say he was a Chaos Symp....
Alpharius was the traitor and Omegon was the loyalist. Or maybe it was the other way around. Or maybe it's both. Or maybe it's neither.
the only answer is hydra dominatus >D
Awesome video
1 Primarch is still alive
Gulliman killed a fake Alpharius
Currently lore has 000s of legion, x2 gloriana capital ships and fleet just dissappear
And odd story of few Al renegades here and there
Alpha Legion story has been messy and unclear by gw as they didn't go to the eye
So recent books been a bit meh trying to fix this big open mess but still too many holes
Alpha Legion have been central to all lore in 30k but 40k authors now trying to play fix up due to them missing despite being an extremely powerful legion
The recent Mike Brooks renegade series has the pale spear recovered from the inquisitor
I expect other stuff to be retrieved
As per other Primarchs weapons coming back like vulkan stuff Then Primarchs return
Pale spears return kinda follows this trend
I'm expecting Alpharius /Omegon (one of them to come back) and the legion in mass returns to the imperium
Would be complex like lion (and the fallen) and would be alot of drama between brothers inquisitors etc
End and the death book 1 and 2 and Bequin ( book 3 pandemonium) will have links and Alpha legion are part of it
So hopefully we get more info on them moving forward and Alpha legion
Pandamonium will move 40k.lore foward in a massive way as noted by Abnett
The 1st legion is loyalist with some traitors. The 20th legion is traitor with some loyalist. The symmetry is too perfect.
Cast: steal copper wiring
the funniest thing i think is that everyone conveniently forgets that at the end of the heresy when omegon disguised as wlpharius was killed by rogal dorn, before the siege of terra aloharius disguised as omegon now assuming the title of alpharius again goes to horus and says he’s out after giving him the intel of terra’s defenses. but again, all records lie
and also it’s important to note that loyalty in a sense to loyalty to the imperium doesn’t necessarily mean loyalty for the emperor, and that alpharius was always loyal, he just did what he did because he needed to go along with omegon and keep the legion unified whereas omegon grew up on distant worlds not learning that loyalty to the emperor and having that personal connection to him as a son, alpharius was the first found and basically the emperors sleeper agent everywhere, he was there when all his brothers were found, and he was the one who snuck into the throne room to prove the defense were shit and even killed a custodies in the process, ain’t no way the whole legion could still be called traitors outright
bro the [REDACTED] are fuckin chads and I'm gonna do some research on them. Thanks bro
They’re only in the one book but yeah give it a read!
Loyal alpha legionnaire.
Like cypher, I am alpharius
Arrest him! Arrest this man!
If we ever get the Omega Legion and Omegon's return it's gonna give Robouté and Lion a big headache....
My opinion is that the Alpha Legion was split because the twins were split. Alpharius and Omega and couldn't decide on which side they wanted to be with. Which led to confusion within the ranks as well as their conflicting. Battle tactics, such as letting the white scars go and stuff like that.Whomever died on Pluto? Was probably the one who set the course for the Alpha Legion. From there on out, either they are loyalists that are trying to redeem themselves by sabotaging chaos, or their chaos. You know, through and through. In either case, I still enjoy the Alpha Legion for all the just crazy nonsense that goes on within them.
I am Alpharius…and I am a loyal son of the Emperor!
I hope they return.
Just for the looks.
And maybe the shenanigans.
Alpharius/Omegon is actually cypher is my guess
I unironically used to think so
I dont think that Eisenhorm Alpharous os the real one, but a legionaire who drank Alpharius's blood.
So,the alpha legion is just Gabriel from Keanu Reeves Constantine, bruh,actually. .
That’s not a bad comparison ngl
I am Alpharius, and so can you!
Okay but seriously, Alpharius isn't dead. His body is. But he put his mind into the body of one of his captains.
Wait is that stated somewhere?
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Yep. The book with Alpharius and Dorn fighting on the cover. I don't have it at hand at the moment.
Oh! Praetorian of Dorn!
Just a slight problem, we get a discription of his soul leaving his body and also omegons reaction to his twins death
Granted, I belive the soul of a Primarch can be lured back into a physical body or choose to do so on its own as seen with the clones of ferrus and fulgrim so there's possibilities to bring back Alpharius anyway
Maybe but yeah that’s why I was confused
I love this legon my brain makes me think of them as scooby doo villans and I love it
I am Alpharius!
L I E S
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Alright, you got me. I am actually Omegon, pretending to be Alpharius. This however, is a lie. For in reality, I am Alpharius and I am merely pretending to be Omegon disguised as Alpharius.
Screwing over the emporers children is just commen sense, not a mark of loyalty
I dont think, that any of the loyal Legions will ever trust the Alpha Legion to be loyal. So in the end, even if they are partly loyal, they have to stay in the shadows.
i would not mind more situations where a legion is split.
I don't even think the alpha legion knows what side they are on
THE MOST LOYAL
Cypher is Alparius!
"We are Legion"
We've always been loyal
Alpha Mcalpha face
I'm probably gonna be starting an Alpha Legion army for 10th once I see the rules and such
I’m with Dorn on this one, their crimes are so grave it doesn’t matter what their intent is.
Also, m42? We’re still in m41 if you recall the passages from Dark Imperium where Guilliman says the calendars are out by a thousand years.
Cool video, well produced!
I do kinda feel for Dorn there yeah, and it is M42, Cadia and Guillimans return was 999.M41 and it’s been some time since then
@@livefromtheblacklibrary that’s what was retconned, in Dark Imperium Guilliman laments that nothing of his fathers Imperium has survived, not even the clocks. After Guilliman reviews the so called chrono war we learn that we are still in m41.
It’s a clever way for Gw to keep the timeline in the year 40,000
WOOPSY
@@livefromtheblacklibrary The Chronostrife might make for a pretty cool video!
@@MariusGage its "possible" were in 41. I think guilliman said there was a margin of error of up to a thousand years. It's a 50/50 chance were either in m41 or m42. We just don't know any more.
brother, you funny.
So...did they retcon that they had marines from the two lost legions "under the palace?" Did the Alpha Legionaires just take their place? Are both just sleeping in pods next to each other?
I completely agree.
Good morning, i am alpharius
I believe that the end all members of the Alpha Legion are loyalists
That’s a stretch imo
Dude says redacted more than the homeless cats on the tfatk subreddit.
I just wanted to say I am Alpharius.
So does Ingo still have that mine on his chest? Is he STILL there?
I wouldn't be surprised if the alpharius that is working with the king in Yellow turns out to be ingo.
That might be the case!
Personally I doubt it, I think even if he doesn’t survive TEATD Vol 2 he’ll at least get out of that
I loved this Video
Thanks!
Hydra Dominatus
Definitely one of my favorite legions.
Mood
Omegon is Cypher
Hail Hydra!!!!!
The alpha legion are in the chaos codex