The thing that made Page and Hendrix stand out from the rest was they weren't worried about "getting it right." Their goal was to get it real. Playing something you weren't going to hear somewhere else. When players try to get it right, they abandon all possibility of originality in their playing.
Page did both , when he was a studio musician, he was clean and accurate, but by nature he played by feelings and emotion , plus Page said himself said I don’t remember night to night what I played , except for the ones that had a certain lead , like stairway , the middle solo on celebration day , I’ve always said Page and Hendrix are opposite sides of the same coin , also Strat people have distinctive , sound and personality, same as Les Paul , people , I play guitar 44 plus years , and I know what you mean , because I play my own way as well, I play by ear , had some lessons to start , then I played it how I felt it . This is a big topic , Page is unique musician for a number of reasons , even on performances that people call sloppy or he was on drugs , not that much if a factor , 77-80 tours involved music that was more complicated Achilles, ten years , etc , they still played 2-3 hrs , he was still doing all the guitar work , that also can make you sound off , any way great subject, I could go on for hours.
Page and Hendrix in the same sentence doesn't compute. They both owned guitars. Hendrix knew how to play with soul and tone. Page was just the luckiest player ever.
@ boy that’s a inelegant response to my 50 plus years of experience, I was actually being kind to Jimi , because where Jimi was a sonic innovator , he didn’t have the talent that Page has, at all facets of the playing, recording , musical styles , acoustic ,Page could play foxy lady , Hendrix couldn’t write or play a Achilles, ten years gone, Kashmir, different leagues, one ability to play great sonic tunes vs. Pages all around guitar army , no comparison there ,
I'm an old hippy from the 60s. I rember the week Led Zepplin released their first album. iwas 15 years old. One day that same week two of my closest friends and skipped school and drove to Charlotte, NC and bought that album in a head shop. After got back to our hometown we listened to that album over and over again for the rest of the day on into the night.
i wish we had bands like that today but most can't play real rock 'n' roll. there aren't even bands half as good as Led Zeppelin ever was. John Bonham, thunder of drums! Jimmy Page, the guitar God! John Paul Jones...when he arrived in the US from the UK for the first time...**rare export**! Robert Plant, singing so hard the air could fill up the Hindenburg Zeppelin. the Who had the same thing going as Led Zeppelin; every member of the band were crazy talented.
It's like Eric Johnson is so technically perfect but he is a complete bore to listen to for more than a minute or two i'd much rather hear Jimmy Page be creative and sloppy
I disagree. I love listening to Eric Johnson. He isn't a bore and he improvises all the time. I've never seen him play Cliffs of Dover the same way twice. Having said that, I also love Jimmy Page. He is super creative and has his own quirky style. The timing and rhythms of Led Zeppelin are deceptively simple. Even when they play in 4/4 time, the phrasing of Page's playing is really unique and very hard to copy.
@@joemitchell9981 That's fine I just find his vocals completely insipid and his soloing mostly full of cliches like his famous 5 note pentatonic descending pattern done at blazing speed complete bore for me also the music is just so diatonic and boring but if you like it hey that's great
wow, i'm amazed people still don't get it. Jimmy Page is the guitarist when it comes to rock. he's up there with the best and most important players and he's in that club for a reason, just look back at his story.
In the mandolin world they say the same thing about Bill Monroe. They say he was sloppy etc.. but he along with Earl Scruggs created a whole new type of music. There are only a few that can emulate Bills playing and really nobody can play exactly like him. And he also created timeless monstrous songs.
EVH became a legend, but he hardly had room to call anyone else sloppy. His whole guitar persona was built on hammer-ons. Without that, he would not have achieved anywhere near the notoriety of Page.
Bonamassa really nailed what makes Jimmy Page a master on guitar. One might even analogize Page's playing with the 'Drunken Master' martial arts style - loose and flowing like water (always on the edge of stumbling) around the instrument and its strings, but ready for precise attack in each moment. This has made Page's playing dynamic and a lot more interesting than most players. I used to play pool (billiards) in exactly the same way, and I was really good.
Page always said he thinks the "odd bits " are what makes it sound good. People who are in Zeppelin tribute bands , nobody captures that raw imagination.
2 year old with a broken hand? I guess Eddie never saw the July 73 MSG show. No quarter, stairway, dazed, that trumps all eddies live playing combined. More depth, imagination and pure inspiration than Eddie could ever muster. Forget the heroin daze from 75 on..give him his just due for his prime playing in 73. We don't judge Mike Tyson for his Jake Paul fight. And as far as sloppy, that's Jimmy's magical slop. It's loaded with character, attitude, and personality.
Jimmys slop was once described by a classical musician of all people as being like brush strokes by renaissance artists. Look up close and it’s untidy, but stand away and look it’s a different picture. Also someone said his riffs are like thunderbolts delivered from the gods.
Eddie was referring to Page’s playing on his 77 tour . And Eddie is right , some of those show page was so strung out that he couldn’t play barely . I’m a big zep fan . But 77 was a bad tour for Jimmy .
Later on (late 80s or early 90s), Eddie said Page was a great player. In reference to Eddie's, earlier "sloppy" comment, Page actually toured with a broken finger on his left hand in 1975 after getting it caught in a train door.
I'd say to those who say he is sloppy..leave him alone. He is an originator, he is extremely eclectic, he has produced some of the most amazing music. I judge a guitarist by his style, if you are listening to a guitarist and you recognise them by their style/sound, then they have made their mark. Think about the likes of, Hendrix, Edge, Beck, Clapton, Kossoff, Blackmore , you know its them.. Bonamassa, Gary Moore, they sound to me a bit like other players at different times. Incidentally, I've found Blackmore the most difficult to copy.
Yes. I have been playing guitar for over 40 years. In deed Pages style is very slurry and unpredictable. But the recorded songs are all masterpieces. He was the most adept acoustic and electric rock player ever. His style is steeped in blues and British folk but pretty straightforward. A good player can learn his technique at least as recorded if they try.
You mean the Drunken Master style? Bullshit. It's called the Zui Quan or "Drunken Fist". Look it up. Try not opening your mouth to troll and ridicule people on social media unless you actually know what you are talking about - so you don't end up making yourself the one who looks like the fool. 😉 If on the other hand you mean "no such thing" as 'one of the best' guitarists, you are just wrong. There are guitarists who are some of the best who've ever lived. Page, Hendrix, Brian May, Dick Dale, Link Wray, Stevie Ray, Jeff Beck, Mark Knopfler, Eric Gales, etc.
@jamesfetcho6315 It's a strange phenomenon when using a laugh emoji is considered by the user to be making a point. Rather than what it really is...using a dismissive demeanor as a substitute for having a cogent point of view. Yes, there is such a thing as a list of best guitarists of all time.
@@Darin.Pearson Well if You are trying to sound intelligent you fail. No there isn't a list that isn't subjective to the time, the type of music, different technique, and many , many other factors. So of your 12, and only listen to one type of music from the last 10 years.....yes there is list.....if Your older, and have listen to guitar player from every time recorded, and many many different styles.....you realize there isn't a list.
Jimmy Page was my earliest guitar hero as a child. That being said, no he’s not that hard to emulate. The hardest guitarist to emulate is Jerry Garcia. I’ve spent years studying him now, and adding “jerry-isms” to my playing, such as the little chromatic fluttery things, the way he would play off the vocal melody of the song and play vocally, the way he would do those big descending runs thru different octaves. He’s the hardest person to emulate if you want to add your own original you-ness to his playing. Page isn’t that hard to emulate, just play filthy blues licks and add little Aeolian notes from time to time. The hardest page-ism to emulate is his time feel. Because the way he would weave in and out and around syncopation with Bonham was nuts. Time feel is what makes Jimmy hard to emulate. A great example of this is “The Ocean”, the time feel of that song is super hard to nail because it changes repeatedly each time you do that riff. But no, it’s much harder to emulate Garcia. And bobby for that matter. But trying to emulate Garcia is like playing lead, rhythm, banjo, and singing with your guitar all at the same time while being relaxed about it
I disagree. I've listened to thousands of hours of GD. Frankly, Jerry noodled a lot - so most guitarists wouldn't want to imitate him. He made a ridiculous amount of mistakes throughout their career. All that being said, I like Jerry's playing best around 1983. The JGB show at Roseland Ballroom to me, is some of his best playing. But Jerry was out of it a lot of the time and not in a good way. At his best, he was a wonderful player - but it wasn't everyone's cup of tea. The guys in DSO over the years do a good job with his style. At his best, Jerry had a limitless amount of ideas and was very articulate. I've seen Johnny Winter do the same thing - take 10 minutes worth of solos in the blues vein and keep it interesting but I digress...But since Jerry's been the most recorded guitarist (in all likelihood) of all time, his bad nights and moments are out there as well for all to see and hear. I'm not a fan of his playing post the coma. I think he was best from 1978 through 83, although he played some great stuff throughout his career. Not a big fan of his late-60s playing apart from the great Dark Star captured on LP. Funny enough, Jimmy Page said that he loved Jerry's pedal steel playing but didn't care for his 6-string playing.
@ jerry almost never noodled… that’s a comment that really identifies who actually listens from who repeats internet attacks. Jerry was not a noodler. Jerry was about the most musical improviser in the history of rock music. There’s a difference between playing for a long time and noodling
The music Page did is gold, absolute master pieces. About the other guys I can't state the same. I dont know any Bonamassa's song, sound s like blues boutique for me, not the real shit I love. A good guitar solo in a shity music is the same as a cherry in a cake of shit
When someone can write a lead like Stairway to Heaven, Whole Lotta Love etc, I'll keep Jimmy at the Height of heights, additionally he's the coolest ever!
Jimmy Page had some serious addictions in the 70's. John Paul Jones had a shit ton to do with the Zeppelin sound. He wrote the riff to "Black Dog" and did most of the work on "In Through The Outdoor" Go listen to John Paul Jones's album "Zoomba" and then go listen to Jimmy Page & Robert Plant's album "Walking Into Clarksdale" Then you tell me who had the most Classic, Zeppelin sound?
Other than scale length, 6 inline vs 3x3 peg heads, general construction, neck and headstock tilt, wood materials, aesthetics, electronics, pickup type, fret size, fretboard radius, and control layout, they're virtually identical.
@@Ninjametal sound was just as twangy when they first came out with single coils and the Telecaster twang can still be created if you know how to use your LP.
I think trying to emulate _anyone_ who has an original way of expressing themselves on an instrument is going to be very difficult because it isn't just a matter of 'playing the notes' - it's really about picking apart the details: accents, dynamics, timing...wacky slurs and all. And tabs can't show you any of that, because you actually have to _listen_ . I don't care if it's Segovia, Hendrix, Gilmour, Page, Zappa, etc. because approaching _any_ one of them is going to be difficult, especially if you want to do it right.
It's all about how many players one has played with. Jimmy played with Jeff Beck in the early days. it is like a trade worker who works with a bunch of different people. each Pearson brings a new trick. some tricks one adds or not to one's style
I play the guitar n hv seen n listened to page live n his recorded studio works 4 quite awhile. Truth b told, i hv never understood exactly y page is said 2 b "sloppy" 🤷♂️. N my guess is 99% of the listeners wd hv no idea whatsover if page is sloppy or not. Only those highly skilled 1% wd b able 2 notice the "sloppiness" perhaps 🤔🤷♂️. The rest of us 99% .... guitarist or not..... just 2 busy enjoying n marvelling at page's guitar mastery .
Jimmys best live playing was ‘68 to ‘73. Most likely substance abuse led to his playing going down in mid to late 70s Yes he had a loose playing style, but he still was more accurate earlier in zeps career. In the studio he was able to go back and clean up any mistakes. I saw him in 1983 at the Arms concert and again in 1998 on the Page/Plant tour. His playing got better as he was sober.
Beck, Hendrix, Van Halen, Page......The Four Pillars. Others are great but these four are who you compare everyone else to. The Mt. Rushmore of Guitarists. ALL HAIL!!!!
I Love LZ! I have ALL of their albums and I bought the first two albums in 1969. When I listen to LZ, I prefer the original studio recordings. THAT is how LZ wanted those songs represented! They were, after all, ‘Recording Artists’! The live performances are OK but the studio releases are the definitive versions of the songs. Regarding someone’s comment on EVH.. Eddie pretty much NAILED his solos to a ‘T’ during their live performances. He knew that’s what the audience wanted to hear and it pretty much underlined that he got it right the first time! I consider JP and EVH to be two of the best Rock Guitarists and Rock Composers - EVER!!!
did he say he was a sloppy B leaguer live but really good in the studio? So doing my Q &A with Andrew Klein, Randy Rhoads coffee table book, Randy was a fan of Page, Page went backstage after a Quiet Riot show to meet Randy he was impressed.
Only one equal to him is Blackmore. Jimmy Page had speed listen to I cant quit you babe blues version it has some fast chops and also heartbreaker second solo has speed
I'd say how difficult it is to emulate a specific player relies more on the music you listen to and how you learned guitar. I think a better way to describe it would be either you play only Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin style or none at all. I've been playing guitar for well over ten years. I started learning by playing Beatles, Rolling Stones, ACDC, etc. but once I discovered Led Zeppelin I've been obsessed and very seldom does learning any other style scratch the same itch. Page also had the benefit of working with John Bonham and John Paul Jones for 10 years which influences his playing in ways that other guitarist just don't have. Learning Zeppelin songs is a quadruple whammy and there is always something new to learn or discover in them. You might think you know how to play "x" Zeppelin song and you might be able to impress a crowd but to a trained ear that same performance was not even on the same planet as Zeppelin's version. Also music is art and subjective so whoever says a piece of music is wrong, inaccurate, or sloppy just doesn't have a clue.
While I agree to an extent with what Joe said, I also think there is a certain amount of sloppiness to Jimmy's playing. And unfortunately, sometimes it can be painful to listen to. In the studio, he captured some moments of incredible phrasing, but sometimes live, as he was caught up in the theatrics and stuff, his phrasing was sometimes lost. Also, although he did use pedals and effects, he really didn't use a lot of gain or fuzz. Most of his distortion came from shear volume. That is a very unforgiving set-up. Unlike many "shredders", who in addition to spending hours and hours practicing scales and technique (which I doubt Jimmy did), their high gain amps gloss over some minor mistakes. With Jimmy's set-up being so pure, every little imperfection is magnified for everyone to hear.
Joe is correct. Page has his own style just try to cop the intro to Since I’ve Been Loving You or most of his solos. I can learn and play them, but his style and phrasing is unique to him just like Jeff Beck.
The word is enigmatic when describing Page as a player and producer. Saying he was sloppy or this and that may be missing the point. Sure he slopped through some of the live stuff not just because he was drunk at the time maybe but also, like Jimi Hendrix, he was playing his ass off so much he was exhausting himself as well as his bandmates. Play that many shows over the course of time they did and see if you could have pulled off what they did and still sound as good as they did through most of it. Secondly, and this is the important part: He played with feeling rather than by the Mel Bay book every note has to be there on time clinical approach. Even Page himself could not immulate live what he did on the recorded albums they did. And part of that was the overdubs they did with different guitars and amp settings etc. Anyway, his so-called sloppiness is confused with feel and artistry he was aiming for. None of the records have mistakes in them, or if there were some, thats what he wanted in there and left it as is cause sometimes that shit sounds kinda cool so, there you go. He may have been laughing a little on some of it as to say, lol let them try and figure that out huh. lol
Three theories to the Page live sloppiness. One, Jimmy was trying to improvise fast and exiting passages during his live performances in an era where guitar hero’s didn’t spend their spare time practicing diminished arpeggios to a metronome like 80’s shredders did. Two, Jimmy wore his guitars practically around his knees which absolutely kills your ability to have good, clean technique. Three, drugs and alcohol. There could be more reasons but these hit the main ones. It definitely wasn’t because he was a bad guitar player.
To see a really good video interview with Bonamassa about how he gets his sound (and how he ditched most of his effects pedals) look up "Joe Bonamassa recreates legendary tones - in a toilet!" on TH-cam.
Page did too many overdubs on their recordings and when it came time to reproduce it live he didn't have enough hands. He should have hired another guitarist when they went on the road. They always sounded like a garage band live to me. The Allman bros they were not.
Van Halen had some level of technical excellence that was impressive to the masses in a kind of high octane way, and he certainly was a technically impressive player, and confidant if he said those things about Page, but on an emotional and artistic level Van Halen was a rube compared to JP... typical of the American shreddy jock meathead guitarists of the 80's that took the loudness, bombast and swagger of Zep (not to mention the hair) but completely overlooked the artistry and subtlety of their English predecessors, as well as the depth of influence (Celtic, Indian, Delta Blues, Folk, etc etc all rolled into one band)... where is Van Halen's Rain Song? Doesn't exist because he couldn't do it. The Rain Song is on the level of classical music. The Beatles, The Stones and Led Zep were all English because the English have the culture and education to get the subtleties right, the yanks just do bigger faster louder.
Bottom line is: Who gives a crap how you play your instrument, your style, your cadence, your finger control, it all doesn't matter if your selling millions of albums, and touring around the globe. Turn on the radio, and there's your song playing. I'm sure most of the negative comments here about Jimmy or any other musician, are said out of ignorance or jealousy like Eddie Van Halen or Pete Townshend. I say shut up and play how you want !
I agree ! If you write and or copy and riff or lead there is always the mood of the player and audience feedback as to how you approach your goal . It's entertainment 101 ! I have played guitar for 4 decades and always changing my approach accordingly .
Get on stage for 3 to 4 hours a night for months on end touring the world and see if you don't miss a note. This is especially true when you are innovating in real time and possibly under the influence. I totally disagree with EVH.
Jimmy Page is my favorite. Also loved Joe Perry, Hendrix, Blackmore, Frampton and Lifeson. Page plays with a lot of nuances and very colorful and emotional. I get bored listening to guitarist that play like a Metrodome. I respect them but there records are boring to listen to.
I saw LZ live (1975 - Physical Graffiti tour) and have listened to their live LPs and watched their concert films. LZ was a great studio band (song writing and production) with the ability to add lots of tracks i.e. multiple guitar parts lead & rhythm plus able to insert special effects. Live they had just a single guitar and it created a hole in their sound when compared to the studio versions of songs. Page was definitely sloppy and Plant's vocals were often out of tune and no so good. They also tended to play too loud for their environment which created a muddled sound. Bonham and Jones were generally on point (JPJ and the band did a great job on No Quarter - Bonham's 20 minute drum solo was way too long). The LZ live LPs were definitely subpar and I grew up a huge LZ fan starting from when LZ 1 was issued in 1969. I saw dozens of their rock band peers in the 1970's who were far better live performers. Drugs and alcohol probably played a part as well.
I have checked out a lot of your videos and you really have some interesting content. Im probably going to sound like a real jerk but I guess I have some really different taste in guitarists. I could care less what Joe Bonamassa says or thinks about anyone. I know some people have him on a pedestal and act like he is the second coming of Christ. His playing is the same old blues rock to me. It does nothing for me. When I was a young high school student I thought Page was it. There albums sound great. He is an outstanding producer. But all the live material I have ever seen. He is "sloppy". Call it whatever you want. And as far as King Edward is concerned his playing never did anything for me either. Van halen and Van Hagar do have some great songs. But the tapping stuff never did a thing for me. And a few of Van halens stuff off 2 or women and children sounds like total chaos and everybody is playing a different song
Eddie is good but Page he aint. Not speaking ill of Edward just that when it comes to EVH his guitar ends up getting lost along the way. Jimmy's 2nd to last zep album freaking shreds. Yes I am speaking of PRESENCE. Achilles Last Stand. This is JP still killing it still in the middle of his so called Heroin days. They are apples & oranges yes both are fruit but I like oranges better :)
The thing that made Page and Hendrix stand out from the rest was they weren't worried about "getting it right." Their goal was to get it real. Playing something you weren't going to hear somewhere else. When players try to get it right, they abandon all possibility of originality in their playing.
Page did both , when he was a studio musician, he was clean and accurate, but by nature he played by feelings and emotion , plus Page said himself said I don’t remember night to night what I played , except for the ones that had a certain lead , like stairway , the middle solo on celebration day , I’ve always said Page and Hendrix are opposite sides of the same coin , also Strat people have distinctive , sound and personality, same as Les Paul , people , I play guitar 44 plus years , and I know what you mean , because I play my own way as well, I play by ear , had some lessons to start , then I played it how I felt it . This is a big topic , Page is unique musician for a number of reasons , even on performances that people call sloppy or he was on drugs , not that much if a factor , 77-80 tours involved music that was more complicated Achilles, ten years , etc , they still played 2-3 hrs , he was still doing all the guitar work , that also can make you sound off , any way great subject, I could go on for hours.
Peter Green got it real AND he got it right!
@@jeffreypaulross9767 Real must be wrong. Right can't be real.
Page and Hendrix in the same sentence doesn't compute. They both owned guitars. Hendrix knew how to play with soul and tone. Page was just the luckiest player ever.
@ boy that’s a inelegant response to my 50 plus years of experience, I was actually being kind to Jimi , because where Jimi was a sonic innovator , he didn’t have the talent that Page has, at all facets of the playing, recording , musical styles , acoustic ,Page could play foxy lady , Hendrix couldn’t write or play a Achilles, ten years gone, Kashmir, different leagues, one ability to play great sonic tunes vs. Pages all around guitar army , no comparison there ,
I'm an old hippy from the 60s. I rember the week Led Zepplin released their first album. iwas 15 years old. One day that same week two of my closest friends and skipped school and drove to Charlotte, NC and bought that album in a head shop. After got back to our hometown we listened to that album over and over again for the rest of the day on into the night.
You were witness to a couple of amazing pieces in Rock N Roll history!!!!!
i wish we had bands like that today but most can't play real rock 'n' roll. there aren't even bands half as good as Led Zeppelin ever was. John Bonham, thunder of drums! Jimmy Page, the guitar God! John Paul Jones...when he arrived in the US from the UK for the first time...**rare export**! Robert Plant, singing so hard the air could fill up the Hindenburg Zeppelin. the Who had the same thing going as Led Zeppelin; every member of the band were crazy talented.
Page improvised every concert
He played the basic chords but solos were totally on the spur of the moment.
Slurry indeed.
It's like Eric Johnson is so technically perfect but he is a complete bore to listen to for more than a minute or two i'd much rather hear Jimmy Page be creative and sloppy
I disagree. I love listening to Eric Johnson. He isn't a bore and he improvises all the time. I've never seen him play Cliffs of Dover the same way twice. Having said that, I also love Jimmy Page. He is super creative and has his own quirky style. The timing and rhythms of Led Zeppelin are deceptively simple. Even when they play in 4/4 time, the phrasing of Page's playing is really unique and very hard to copy.
@@joemitchell9981 That's fine I just find his vocals completely insipid and his soloing mostly full of cliches like his famous 5 note pentatonic descending pattern done at blazing speed complete bore for me also the music is just so diatonic and boring but if you like it hey that's great
I enjoy listening to JP's playing more than anyone else. Period. Enough said.
wow, i'm amazed people still don't get it. Jimmy Page is the guitarist when it comes to rock. he's up there with the best and most important players and he's in that club for a reason, just look back at his story.
He is the whole package for the time. Producer, writer, musician and visually stimulating too. How could anyone in their right mind play that down.
In the mandolin world they say the same thing about Bill Monroe. They say he was sloppy etc.. but he along with Earl Scruggs created a whole new type of music. There are only a few that can emulate Bills playing and really nobody can play exactly like him. And he also created timeless monstrous songs.
EVH became a legend, but he hardly had room to call anyone else sloppy. His whole guitar persona was built on hammer-ons. Without that, he would not have achieved anywhere near the notoriety of Page.
Listen to page ‘s live shows up to 1975 before the demons kicked dude is flawless live
Bonamassa really nailed what makes Jimmy Page a master on guitar. One might even analogize Page's playing with the 'Drunken Master' martial arts style - loose and flowing like water (always on the edge of stumbling) around the instrument and its strings, but ready for precise attack in each moment. This has made Page's playing dynamic and a lot more interesting than most players. I used to play pool (billiards) in exactly the same way, and I was really good.
That was really well said!
I restore furniture like a Shaolin master so I understand.
Page always said he thinks the "odd bits " are what makes it sound good. People who are in Zeppelin tribute bands , nobody captures that raw imagination.
2 year old with a broken hand? I guess Eddie never saw the July 73 MSG show. No quarter, stairway, dazed, that trumps all eddies live playing combined. More depth, imagination and pure inspiration than Eddie could ever muster. Forget the heroin daze from 75 on..give him his just due for his prime playing in 73. We don't judge Mike Tyson for his Jake Paul fight. And as far as sloppy, that's Jimmy's magical slop. It's loaded with character, attitude, and personality.
Jimmys slop was once described by a classical musician of all people as being like brush strokes by renaissance artists. Look up close and it’s untidy, but stand away and look it’s a different picture. Also someone said his riffs are like thunderbolts delivered from the gods.
Eddie was referring to Page’s playing on his 77 tour . And Eddie is right , some of those show page was so strung out that he couldn’t play barely . I’m a big zep fan . But 77 was a bad tour for Jimmy .
Later on (late 80s or early 90s), Eddie said Page was a great player. In reference to Eddie's, earlier "sloppy" comment, Page actually toured with a broken finger on his left hand in 1975 after getting it caught in a train door.
I'd say to those who say he is sloppy..leave him alone. He is an originator, he is extremely eclectic, he has produced some of the most amazing music.
I judge a guitarist by his style, if you are listening to a guitarist and you recognise them by their style/sound, then they have made their mark. Think about the likes of, Hendrix, Edge, Beck, Clapton, Kossoff, Blackmore , you know its them.. Bonamassa, Gary Moore, they sound to me a bit like other players at different times.
Incidentally, I've found Blackmore the most difficult to copy.
Yes. I have been playing guitar for over 40 years. In deed Pages style is very slurry and unpredictable. But the recorded songs are all masterpieces. He was the most adept acoustic and electric rock player ever. His style is steeped in blues and British folk but pretty straightforward. A good player can learn his technique at least as recorded if they try.
I always thought Joe Perry could emulate Jimmy Page.
Joe came up with some great riffs. Not the player Page was overall.
Like Jimmy Page gives a crap what Joe Bonamassa thinks
I imagine he does actually. Bonamassa is one of the best guitarists of all time.
@@32brookse😂😂 there is no such thing
You mean the Drunken Master style? Bullshit. It's called the Zui Quan or "Drunken Fist". Look it up. Try not opening your mouth to troll and ridicule people on social media unless you actually know what you are talking about - so you don't end up making yourself the one who looks like the fool. 😉
If on the other hand you mean "no such thing" as 'one of the best' guitarists, you are just wrong. There are guitarists who are some of the best who've ever lived. Page, Hendrix, Brian May, Dick Dale, Link Wray, Stevie Ray, Jeff Beck, Mark Knopfler, Eric Gales, etc.
@jamesfetcho6315 It's a strange phenomenon when using a laugh emoji is considered by the user to be making a point. Rather than what it really is...using a dismissive demeanor as a substitute for having a cogent point of view. Yes, there is such a thing as a list of best guitarists of all time.
@@Darin.Pearson Well if You are trying to sound intelligent you fail. No there isn't a list that isn't subjective to the time, the type of music, different technique, and many , many other factors. So of your 12, and only listen to one type of music from the last 10 years.....yes there is list.....if Your older, and have listen to guitar player from every time recorded, and many many different styles.....you realize there isn't a list.
Jimmy Page was my earliest guitar hero as a child. That being said, no he’s not that hard to emulate. The hardest guitarist to emulate is Jerry Garcia. I’ve spent years studying him now, and adding “jerry-isms” to my playing, such as the little chromatic fluttery things, the way he would play off the vocal melody of the song and play vocally, the way he would do those big descending runs thru different octaves. He’s the hardest person to emulate if you want to add your own original you-ness to his playing.
Page isn’t that hard to emulate, just play filthy blues licks and add little Aeolian notes from time to time. The hardest page-ism to emulate is his time feel. Because the way he would weave in and out and around syncopation with Bonham was nuts. Time feel is what makes Jimmy hard to emulate. A great example of this is “The Ocean”, the time feel of that song is super hard to nail because it changes repeatedly each time you do that riff.
But no, it’s much harder to emulate Garcia. And bobby for that matter.
But trying to emulate Garcia is like playing lead, rhythm, banjo, and singing with your guitar all at the same time while being relaxed about it
I disagree. I've listened to thousands of hours of GD. Frankly, Jerry noodled a lot - so most guitarists wouldn't want to imitate him. He made a ridiculous amount of mistakes throughout their career. All that being said, I like Jerry's playing best around 1983. The JGB show at Roseland Ballroom to me, is some of his best playing. But Jerry was out of it a lot of the time and not in a good way. At his best, he was a wonderful player - but it wasn't everyone's cup of tea. The guys in DSO over the years do a good job with his style.
At his best, Jerry had a limitless amount of ideas and was very articulate. I've seen Johnny Winter do the same thing - take 10 minutes worth of solos in the blues vein and keep it interesting but I digress...But since Jerry's been the most recorded guitarist (in all likelihood) of all time, his bad nights and moments are out there as well for all to see and hear. I'm not a fan of his playing post the coma. I think he was best from 1978 through 83, although he played some great stuff throughout his career. Not a big fan of his late-60s playing apart from the great Dark Star captured on LP. Funny enough, Jimmy Page said that he loved Jerry's pedal steel playing but didn't care for his 6-string playing.
@ jerry almost never noodled… that’s a comment that really identifies who actually listens from who repeats internet attacks.
Jerry was not a noodler. Jerry was about the most musical improviser in the history of rock music.
There’s a difference between playing for a long time and noodling
@ it’s pretty clear to me that you’re a listener rather than a guitar player, no offense
Jeff Beck AND Jimmy Page are (IMHO) the most difficult to emulate/copy.
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James Patrick Page , Hammer of the God .
The music Page did is gold, absolute master pieces. About the other guys I can't state the same. I dont know any Bonamassa's song, sound s like blues boutique for me, not the real shit I love. A good guitar solo in a shity music is the same as a cherry in a cake of shit
When someone can write a lead like Stairway to Heaven, Whole Lotta Love etc, I'll keep Jimmy at the Height of heights, additionally he's the coolest ever!
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Page just comes up with such fast trick parts. Over the hills and far away has so many neat tricks going on
Ten Years After. Ten Years Gone.
I don't trust people who don't like Jimmy Page
Jimmy Page had some serious addictions in the 70's. John Paul Jones had a shit ton to do with the Zeppelin sound.
He wrote the riff to "Black Dog" and did most of the work on "In Through The Outdoor" Go listen to John Paul Jones's album "Zoomba" and then go listen to Jimmy Page & Robert Plant's album "Walking Into Clarksdale" Then you tell me who had the most Classic, Zeppelin sound?
Little do the uninitiated know is that the Les Paul is just a fancy reiteration of the Telecaster.
Other than scale length, 6 inline vs 3x3 peg heads, general construction, neck and headstock tilt, wood materials, aesthetics, electronics, pickup type, fret size, fretboard radius, and control layout, they're virtually identical.
@@Ninjametal sound was just as twangy when they first came out with single coils and the Telecaster twang can still be created if you know how to use your LP.
I think trying to emulate _anyone_ who has an original way of expressing themselves on an instrument is going to be very difficult because it isn't just a matter of 'playing the notes' - it's really about picking apart the details: accents, dynamics, timing...wacky slurs and all. And tabs can't show you any of that, because you actually have to _listen_ . I don't care if it's Segovia, Hendrix, Gilmour, Page, Zappa, etc. because approaching _any_ one of them is going to be difficult, especially if you want to do it right.
It's all about how many players one has played with. Jimmy played with Jeff Beck in the early days. it is like a trade worker who works with a bunch of different people. each Pearson brings a new trick. some tricks one adds or not to one's style
If you recall, the live album, The Song Remains The Same, Jimmy had to re-record some of the guitar parts. No big deal.
Jimmy Page put the bar so high, even he couldn't reach it anymore.
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I play the guitar n hv seen n listened to page live n his recorded studio works 4 quite awhile. Truth b told, i hv never understood exactly y page is said 2 b "sloppy" 🤷♂️. N my guess is 99% of the listeners wd hv no idea whatsover if page is sloppy or not. Only those highly skilled 1% wd b able 2 notice the "sloppiness" perhaps 🤔🤷♂️. The rest of us 99% .... guitarist or not..... just 2 busy enjoying n marvelling at page's guitar mastery .
Jimmys best live playing was ‘68 to ‘73. Most likely substance abuse led to his playing going down in mid to late 70s Yes he had a loose playing style, but he still was more accurate earlier in zeps career. In the studio he was able to go back and clean up any mistakes. I saw him in 1983 at the Arms concert and again in 1998 on the Page/Plant tour. His playing got better as he was sober.
Beck, Hendrix, Van Halen, Page......The Four Pillars. Others are great but these four are who you compare everyone else to. The Mt. Rushmore of Guitarists. ALL HAIL!!!!
I Love LZ! I have ALL of their albums and I bought the first two albums in 1969. When I listen to LZ, I prefer the original studio recordings. THAT is how LZ wanted those songs represented! They were, after all, ‘Recording Artists’! The live performances are OK but the studio releases are the definitive versions of the songs. Regarding someone’s comment on EVH.. Eddie pretty much NAILED his solos to a ‘T’ during their live performances. He knew that’s what the audience wanted to hear and it pretty much underlined that he got it right the first time! I consider JP and EVH to be two of the best Rock Guitarists and Rock Composers - EVER!!!
Joe sold him the guitar, didn't just gift it.
Only saw Pagey play live once, in Zeppelin.Yep, he was very sloppy and he did spoil the gig for me.
You can't compare Jimmy and Eddie. Two completely different players with different things on their minds.
I've always thought Page's style was sloppy. But that doesn't change the fact that he was a great guitarist and a great song writer. He is a legend!
Page was all heart fart notes and all he poured it all out
did he say he was a sloppy B leaguer live but really good in the studio?
So doing my Q &A with Andrew Klein, Randy Rhoads coffee table book, Randy was a fan of Page, Page went backstage after a Quiet Riot show to meet Randy he was impressed.
Only one equal to him is Blackmore. Jimmy Page had speed listen to I cant quit you babe blues version it has some fast chops and also heartbreaker second solo has speed
I'd say how difficult it is to emulate a specific player relies more on the music you listen to and how you learned guitar. I think a better way to describe it would be either you play only Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin style or none at all. I've been playing guitar for well over ten years. I started learning by playing Beatles, Rolling Stones, ACDC, etc. but once I discovered Led Zeppelin I've been obsessed and very seldom does learning any other style scratch the same itch.
Page also had the benefit of working with John Bonham and John Paul Jones for 10 years which influences his playing in ways that other guitarist just don't have. Learning Zeppelin songs is a quadruple whammy and there is always something new to learn or discover in them. You might think you know how to play "x" Zeppelin song and you might be able to impress a crowd but to a trained ear that same performance was not even on the same planet as Zeppelin's version.
Also music is art and subjective so whoever says a piece of music is wrong, inaccurate, or sloppy just doesn't have a clue.
While I agree to an extent with what Joe said, I also think there is a certain amount of sloppiness to Jimmy's playing. And unfortunately, sometimes it can be painful to listen to. In the studio, he captured some moments of incredible phrasing, but sometimes live, as he was caught up in the theatrics and stuff, his phrasing was sometimes lost.
Also, although he did use pedals and effects, he really didn't use a lot of gain or fuzz. Most of his distortion came from shear volume. That is a very unforgiving set-up. Unlike many "shredders", who in addition to spending hours and hours practicing scales and technique (which I doubt Jimmy did), their high gain amps gloss over some minor mistakes. With Jimmy's set-up being so pure, every little imperfection is magnified for everyone to hear.
Joe is correct. Page has his own style just try to cop the intro to Since I’ve Been Loving You or most of his solos. I can learn and play them, but his style and phrasing is unique to him just like Jeff Beck.
The word is enigmatic when describing Page as a player and producer. Saying he was sloppy or this and that may be missing the point. Sure he slopped through some of the live stuff not just because he was drunk at the time maybe but also, like Jimi Hendrix, he was playing his ass off so much he was exhausting himself as well as his bandmates. Play that many shows over the course of time they did and see if you could have pulled off what they did and still sound as good as they did through most of it. Secondly, and this is the important part: He played with feeling rather than by the Mel Bay book every note has to be there on time clinical approach. Even Page himself could not immulate live what he did on the recorded albums they did. And part of that was the overdubs they did with different guitars and amp settings etc. Anyway, his so-called sloppiness is confused with feel and artistry he was aiming for. None of the records have mistakes in them, or if there were some, thats what he wanted in there and left it as is cause sometimes that shit sounds kinda cool so, there you go. He may have been laughing a little on some of it as to say, lol let them try and figure that out huh. lol
I think Joe was being tactful and saying in a round about way that page is sloppy
Joe wishes he was as creative as Jimmy Page.
Page can't play at all anymore.
I never took that from him at all.
Three theories to the Page live sloppiness. One, Jimmy was trying to improvise fast and exiting passages during his live performances in an era where guitar hero’s didn’t spend their spare time practicing diminished arpeggios to a metronome like 80’s shredders did. Two, Jimmy wore his guitars practically around his knees which absolutely kills your ability to have good, clean technique. Three, drugs and alcohol. There could be more reasons but these hit the main ones. It definitely wasn’t because he was a bad guitar player.
To see a really good video interview with Bonamassa about how he gets his sound (and how he ditched most of his effects pedals) look up "Joe Bonamassa recreates legendary tones - in a toilet!" on TH-cam.
Page did too many overdubs on their recordings and when it came time to reproduce it live he didn't have enough hands. He should have hired another guitarist when they went on the road. They always sounded like a garage band live to me. The Allman bros they were not.
Joe is right. And Jimmy IMO is the most influential guitarist since maybe Chuck Berry.
Jeff Beck! is the hardest and was the best all-round player.
Van Halen had some level of technical excellence that was impressive to the masses in a kind of high octane way, and he certainly was a technically impressive player, and confidant if he said those things about Page, but on an emotional and artistic level Van Halen was a rube compared to JP... typical of the American shreddy jock meathead guitarists of the 80's that took the loudness, bombast and swagger of Zep (not to mention the hair) but completely overlooked the artistry and subtlety of their English predecessors, as well as the depth of influence (Celtic, Indian, Delta Blues, Folk, etc etc all rolled into one band)... where is Van Halen's Rain Song? Doesn't exist because he couldn't do it. The Rain Song is on the level of classical music. The Beatles, The Stones and Led Zep were all English because the English have the culture and education to get the subtleties right, the yanks just do bigger faster louder.
Bottom line is:
Who gives a crap how you play your instrument, your style, your cadence, your finger control, it all doesn't matter if your selling millions of albums, and touring around the globe. Turn on the radio, and there's your song playing. I'm sure most of the negative comments here about Jimmy or any other musician, are said out of ignorance or jealousy like Eddie Van Halen or Pete Townshend. I say shut up and play how you want !
I agree ! If you write and or copy and riff or lead there is always the mood of the player and audience feedback as to how you approach your goal . It's entertainment 101 ! I have played guitar for 4 decades and always changing my approach accordingly .
Get on stage for 3 to 4 hours a night for months on end touring the world and see if you don't miss a note. This is especially true when you are innovating in real time and possibly under the influence. I totally disagree with EVH.
And improvising every solo night after night.
Jimmy Page is my favorite. Also loved Joe Perry, Hendrix, Blackmore, Frampton and Lifeson. Page plays with a lot of nuances and very colorful and emotional. I get bored listening to guitarist that play like a Metrodome. I respect them but there records are boring to listen to.
Page can't play at all anymore it's sad
How do you know?
He is in his 80's now, I mean c'mon
Page will always be a master and an innovator of electric guitar. He was also sloppy live. Simple as that. No need for people to get upset about it.
I saw LZ live (1975 - Physical Graffiti tour) and have listened to their live LPs and watched their concert films. LZ was a great studio band (song writing and production) with the ability to add lots of tracks i.e. multiple guitar parts lead & rhythm plus able to insert special effects. Live they had just a single guitar and it created a hole in their sound when compared to the studio versions of songs. Page was definitely sloppy and Plant's vocals were often out of tune and no so good. They also tended to play too loud for their environment which created a muddled sound. Bonham and Jones were generally on point (JPJ and the band did a great job on No Quarter - Bonham's 20 minute drum solo was way too long). The LZ live LPs were definitely subpar and I grew up a huge LZ fan starting from when LZ 1 was issued in 1969. I saw dozens of their rock band peers in the 1970's who were far better live performers. Drugs and alcohol probably played a part as well.
I have checked out a lot of your videos and you really have some interesting content. Im probably going to sound like a real jerk but I guess I have some really different taste in guitarists. I could care less what Joe Bonamassa says or thinks about anyone. I know some people have him on a pedestal and act like he is the second coming of Christ. His playing is the same old blues rock to me. It does nothing for me. When I was a young high school student I thought Page was it. There albums sound great. He is an outstanding producer. But all the live material I have ever seen. He is "sloppy". Call it whatever you want. And as far as King Edward is concerned his playing never did anything for me either. Van halen and Van Hagar do have some great songs. But the tapping stuff never did a thing for me. And a few of Van halens stuff off 2 or women and children sounds like total chaos and everybody is playing a different song
Eddie Van Halen was less than 1% a musician compared to Jimmy
That's bullshit
Why would you ever copy any other player. Page is not the best choice for studying guitar playing. Sloppy? Yes. Iconic? No sorry.
Eddie is good but Page he aint. Not speaking ill of Edward just that when it comes to EVH his guitar ends up getting lost along the way. Jimmy's 2nd to last zep album freaking shreds. Yes I am speaking of PRESENCE. Achilles Last Stand. This is JP still killing it still in the middle of his so called Heroin days. They are apples & oranges yes both are fruit but I like oranges better :)
And dont even get me started on how GREAT Joe Walsh is. His James Gang music still stands well on its own.
Oh dear i didnt know jimmy wzs injured appreciate feedback on my original guitar compositions new one coming soon
Page can create beautifully, Joe can only parrot others...Furthermore, Joe's real weakness is he has no soul in his playing.
Like Eddie Van Halen, Jimmy page has his own individuality. You cannot copy Him. ✌🏻