I've been really enjoying these Rome 2 uploads Heir, so much so I bought the game and all the DLC during the christmas sales. I've also been watching your Seleucid playthrough from last year to see how some of the campaign stuff works which I'm not familiar with, and I've been enjoying that alot too. Thanks so much for the great content
Hey every time I'm checking you have some rome 2 coming out. I'm loving it. Literally so so good heir, this some grass roots why I subscribed years ago shit that I love seeing. Always wishing you the best 👌
Great game! To be honest, I am really surprised that with how bloody this battle was and how much both teams shot at already engaged units there wasn't really much friendly fire. It not Attila where you could just murder you own units in seconds with missile fire but in Rome 2 take the wrong angle and you aren't turning a melee fight you are making it worst. Still, very little considering, and they just straight up chopped the crap out of each other.
People always just threw away their Thracian warriors and nobles. It's a shame. I always had a lot of success with Odryssian Kingdom by using a realistic roster, with peltasts as a primary main line. The trick is you put them in a checkerboard pattern, allowing you to occupy the enemy's frontline with a small number of cheap and somewhat decent melee units while maintaining constant jav fire. And if you have good micro, you can also kite away from elite sections of the main line, allowing you to pour in javelins from all sides on an oathsworn or whatever. Alternatively, you can punish a heavy missile line that is going to try way too hard to shoot at your nobles, leaving them super vulnerable to your javs if you leave your nobles either far enough back or way on the flanks. Then you use the medium and missile cav to occupy any cavalry contingent, drawing them into the woodchipper of your warriors and nobles on the flanks. Then, only once you have the enemy in total disarray and ideally with at least one cav unit in the back line, you close in the pincer with nobles on the flanks, then a noble and a couple warriors rushing up the middle, forcing their remaining missiles to choose one of three directions to fire in if they want to have any hope of eliminating the combat effectiveness of anything. At that point, it becomes a total blood-bath, and you get to watch your nobles eat their general for breakfast, and even survive to the end of the battle.
Watching these games almost all the players put their skirmishers behind their mainline to protect them forgetting that your skirmishers are there also to absorb enemy fire as well as dish it out.
@@bigcat5348 Pull them behind your mainline, javelin the enemy or counter charge with your cav. Honestly in some cases its a good trade if you a peltast but manage to kill a heavy cav unit.
I always felt like the Odrysians hopelessly needed a Thracian hoplite or some other kind of spear-armed line troop and that would do it. Just something mid-tier that can hold a line. It looks like there's some historical basis for that kind of armament. Without that, I could never get anywhere with them in campaign (also with everything else that's going against them)
@@HeirofCarthage I just mean that they were left behind for so long. Don't you agree that the slingers would not have had half the time to shoot if the royal cav would have pressured them from the start?
"Hey, those guys dint get forgotten we think they called a truce to watch the main battle and complain about their bosses before the messengers got to them. And ruined break time
Those veteran hoplites are tanks. I remember on your Seleucid campaign, were you had two max upgraded veteran hoplites that they would tank hordes of enemies.
Those hopplite spears are way too short. Like way way too short. You see, the crazy length of their spears was the macedonian military advantage that allowed them to conquer the known world.
I'm loving the Dad Jokes and the return of Rome 2 MP battles
Thanks!
thank you heir, ive been watching ur vids for 8 years now and ur the reason i have thousands of hours on rome 2
I've been really enjoying these Rome 2 uploads Heir, so much so I bought the game and all the DLC during the christmas sales. I've also been watching your Seleucid playthrough from last year to see how some of the campaign stuff works which I'm not familiar with, and I've been enjoying that alot too. Thanks so much for the great content
Ah the nostalgia of hearing the Rome 1 music in Rome 2, and two cool factions matching up!
Hey every time I'm checking you have some rome 2 coming out. I'm loving it. Literally so so good heir, this some grass roots why I subscribed years ago shit that I love seeing. Always wishing you the best 👌
Great game! To be honest, I am really surprised that with how bloody this battle was and how much both teams shot at already engaged units there wasn't really much friendly fire. It not Attila where you could just murder you own units in seconds with missile fire but in Rome 2 take the wrong angle and you aren't turning a melee fight you are making it worst. Still, very little considering, and they just straight up chopped the crap out of each other.
People always just threw away their Thracian warriors and nobles. It's a shame. I always had a lot of success with Odryssian Kingdom by using a realistic roster, with peltasts as a primary main line.
The trick is you put them in a checkerboard pattern, allowing you to occupy the enemy's frontline with a small number of cheap and somewhat decent melee units while maintaining constant jav fire. And if you have good micro, you can also kite away from elite sections of the main line, allowing you to pour in javelins from all sides on an oathsworn or whatever. Alternatively, you can punish a heavy missile line that is going to try way too hard to shoot at your nobles, leaving them super vulnerable to your javs if you leave your nobles either far enough back or way on the flanks. Then you use the medium and missile cav to occupy any cavalry contingent, drawing them into the woodchipper of your warriors and nobles on the flanks. Then, only once you have the enemy in total disarray and ideally with at least one cav unit in the back line, you close in the pincer with nobles on the flanks, then a noble and a couple warriors rushing up the middle, forcing their remaining missiles to choose one of three directions to fire in if they want to have any hope of eliminating the combat effectiveness of anything. At that point, it becomes a total blood-bath, and you get to watch your nobles eat their general for breakfast, and even survive to the end of the battle.
Watching these games almost all the players put their skirmishers behind their mainline to protect them forgetting that your skirmishers are there also to absorb enemy fire as well as dish it out.
what do you do if cavalry charges your peltasts?
@@bigcat5348 Pull them behind your mainline, javelin the enemy or counter charge with your cav. Honestly in some cases its a good trade if you a peltast but manage to kill a heavy cav unit.
@@hellmes1826 yeah but OP said that the mainline *is* the peltasts
@@bigcat5348 He said defend with cavalry didn't he. Also just javelin them while they kill a unit.
Arevaci bringing an allied wolf at 01:58
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Happy Gilmore kid: "Awwwwesome..." 🤣
Man I forget the barebones Thracian rosters in vanilla. Never play anymore without a unit pack or two in particular for the Thracians.
I always felt like the Odrysians hopelessly needed a Thracian hoplite or some other kind of spear-armed line troop and that would do it. Just something mid-tier that can hold a line. It looks like there's some historical basis for that kind of armament. Without that, I could never get anywhere with them in campaign (also with everything else that's going against them)
The pain how the royal cav was used so poorly. This battle could have been over within the first 2 minutes.
The royal cav could certainly have caused a ton of damage to the lighter infantry line on the charge. Very deadly.
@@HeirofCarthage I just mean that they were left behind for so long. Don't you agree that the slingers would not have had half the time to shoot if the royal cav would have pressured them from the start?
great stuff Heir
That was a fun one. I love me a fun match-up
Come on men we need to " Getae in their" !
Sir nows not the time for Dad jokes
There's always time for Dad jokes!
Thracian Nobles are based
Facts
Dad Jokes not locked behind DLC 😂
This was awesome fight, but what is the point bringing painted warriors instead of scutarii which one of the best mid tier units?
"Hey, those guys dint get forgotten we think they called a truce to watch the main battle and complain about their bosses before the messengers got to them. And ruined break time
Rome 1 music >>>>>>>
Love it
I know its a big ask but can you restart the baktria campaign? It didnt finish and it cut off at the perfect beginning of mid game content :(
I likely won't at the moment, but more Rome 2 campaigns are certainly possible over the next months.
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Hmmm arevaci needs more cav
And How can I send replay?
the C in Arevaci is a hard C im pretty sure, rather than a "ch" sound. So it would sound like "Arevaki".
Could we get a rome 2 campaign next
Nice
Those veteran hoplites are tanks. I remember on your Seleucid campaign, were you had two max upgraded veteran hoplites that they would tank hordes of enemies.
Would anyone be interested in 1vs1 with me on Rome 2? I’m not very good but want to get better
Those hopplite spears are way too short. Like way way too short.
You see, the crazy length of their spears was the macedonian military advantage that allowed them to conquer the known world.
You're referring to pikemen, not hoplites.
Hoplites wielded a spear while pikemen used sarissa pikes
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They say an image is worth a thousand words
i dont often comment but u should know we really appreciate all the rome 2 content🫡