Optimizing Your Toro Personal Pace Mower
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- Little bonus video here on how I adjust the Personal Pace to a custom feel on my Toro.
I'll have a big announcement video out this weekend coming up.
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Just a tip for anyone looking Into buying one of these toro self paced mowers….please note they are not like the regular front wheel drive self propelled mowers that pull you along. They are rear wheel drive, very hard to pull and annoying as heck to push it forward them pull back again ughhhh plus it ruts up the yard when doing that, you can’t just turn easily by putting ur front wheels up anymore cus back ones keep moving and drag u if u try, it DOES NOT pull you along at all,like a regular self propelled, it is basically a push mower. Some may love it but I absolutely HATE this mower!
Excellent Tips n Tricks!
I will be purchasing a 20373 model next week for use in a residential lawn mowing enterprise.
I chose this model primarily for the blade stop function.
My 30 year old silver deck JD has this and is great for navigating gravel areas.
I was hesitant about the personal pace, but everyone seems to love it.
I just visited my local dealer and shop tested it and it is much smoother than I thought it would be.
Your adjustment tricks will aid in finding the sweet spot.
Thanks for the information!
Dave
Picked it up yesterday!!!
The fine tuning of the personal pace is spot on out of the box.
I am also using the higher handle adjustment.
Just walk into the handle....this thing is so cool!
A couple of points is - Personal Pace is not a traditional 'self-propelled'; it is more push assisted . You just walk forward and press forward. If you're used to the mower going, and you following along, or you're used to the mower going the same speed up a slope as down a slope, then this will take some getting used to. Mine is new, and there is effort to get it come back even on a slight slope, when you think gravity would assist, it's still a pull back.
Exactly! they should write this in the description because it feels like a push mower and not self propelled at all. I would have saved a ton of money and just bought a push mower if i wanted a push kind. This is the worst lawn mower I’ve ever owned. Even with the adjustments from this video. I want the regular kind that basically pulls me along! Lol but really
Personal Pace and self propelled is honestly a very situational thing. If you have nice flat even ground then I can see it being of value to someone that just wants to walk along without doing much work.
But here in hilly ground the personal pace feature ends up just being annoying because you are in fact just pushing it yourself since it can't get enough traction which in turn tears up the lawn. The additional weight from the drive line also is a downside when having to maneuver it on slopes.
If you have any channel of input with TORO I'd advise you to advise them to be more selective in their marketing and sales. Most of the time someone that would buy a personal pace in hilly terrain isn't going to be as satisfied as a lighter weight push along.
P.S. The Super Recycler feature as silly as the name is, is a great mulching feature.
Thank you for the great video. I’m planning to buy one of these this week. And this helped me understand more about the workings.
My current mower is 19 years old! Still running, but I wanted a self propelled.
Another tip, I’ve always winterized by running till empty.
And also use stabil gas stabilizer.
And each year, new spark plug and air filter.
Happy lawn work.
please do a review on the Toro 60v personal pace cordless mower
Thanks for reminding me of all the reasons I hated this drive system with my last mower.
I've been fighting with pulling mine backwards for 5 years. Dealer said I'd have to live with it, that's the way it is. Thanks for the awesome tip!
This mower' drive sucks .. dealer is right. There wasn't one 'customizing' tip, but if the drive cable is tight the drive motor won't travel as far ... releasing better & sooner.
Great tips! I have the Super Recycler with Personal Pace and have also had the "backing up" issue. Thanks for telling us how to fix it!
I had a Toro Personal Pace and was one of my favorite mowers. Such a time saver on regular cuts or when mowing is not heavy. Like how the handle bar is finally adjustable for height. Only reason I don't have it is I went with a 33 inch Troy Bilt with 12 hp engine in the fall in Cleveland OH. Nothing shuts down that bad boy.
Go Browns
I am running a 30" Personal Pace and love it, got it adjusted so fine that I can use just 1 finger.
+Roger nice
I have that TimeMaster too, it's a dream.
I'd think that's how it really should be. From what LCN says in this video it should be in line with your natural walking forward pace, so if you need 1 finger to get the mower to move forward, I'd think that is pretty dang good. What I notice is a lot of people shove that handle forward as fast and hard as they can...yep it'll leave burn out marks in the lawn HAHA!!! As a result the mower just kind of jumps forward, well duh, its like adding throttle and dumping the clutch on a vehicle with a manual transmission, its going to jump forward and probably do a little burnout in the process.
I don't own a personal pace, and I had a Toro FWD for a while and hated it, it just didn't cut well at all so I gave it away to someone who didn't care about the mulching function and had a lawn large enough that they welcomed the self propel feature. I'm looking into getting a personal pace, but I think I want the super-recycler model, maybe that'll take care of the mulching woes the regular Toro had.
Awesome video! Got my personal pace super Toro a year and a half ago, and could figure out why it was becoming less and less responsive... Pulled it out of the garage today to tune it up, and now with the adjustment to the tension wire, it's good as new! Maybe better.... Lol, thank you sir!
My Toro is 14 years old. Just started leaking gas, so gotta figure that out. First start of the season takes several pulls, but after that, 1 pull to start. Been a great mower.
DannoCrutch mine did that also. It was the plastic elbow going into the carb. Had to replace carb to fix it. You can't replace the elbow.
i have the exact same mower. Very informative, especially about the wheels locking up... thanks for the info.
Also what I've done to mine is somthing simple. When you're in the middle of mowing and need too let go of the mower and move something out the way, I just simply added a Velcro strap (tv/cmptr. cord organizer) around the gas handle in Personal Pace handle. so when I release the personal pace handle the lawnmower stays running, so I don't have to keep restarting it.
My05Titan , no I believe the electric push button starter my stay running when your not touching the mower..
That is only for one's with blade brake clutch BBC. You should never override a safety feature by tying the handle.
Do the same to mine.
You want a badass toro? I recommend this 100percent new toro 2020-21 rear wheel drive!! They're worth every penny!! Vortex system really does work!
I have one of their first models . Bought used for 30 bux. Haven't changed the oil in 15 years..only add a little twice a season, and it still runs great. On hellish hot summer days the ease of an assisted push mower cannot be over-lauded.
Terry fantastic covered my problem of adjustment
G'day and greetings from Tasmania Australia 🇦🇺, I'd just like to commend you on this video, it should be watched by every shop that sells Toro mowers. For some one, you, have taken the time to explain how to ergonomically adjust the different controls and levers to make controlling the mower a more pleasurable task, you also troubleshoot many of the problems that are encountered in mowing a lawn well done 👍 and keep safe kind regards John
To slow it down means you are slipping the belt.(think, belt wear) When mine broke it took hours to replace. Had to remove everything except the engine and front wheels. My old Honda had two speeds, it was and still is a MACHINE!
Thanks for this video. Yesterday my new super rec. came from a box store with that cable not hooked up. I loosened that cable bracket and with enough slack was able to hook up the cable. Now the machine does have a slight lurch when taking off. I pretty much figured i had to back that cable off and you confirmed that for me. thanks. Now if I can get it to go as slow as my old Snapper I'll be very happy. It gave me a work out today and these old legs sure feel it.
Another great video with clear information that's to the point. I am trying to get the adjustment just right on my new timemaster. Keep up the great work!
How are you adjust the Personal Pace on the Timemaster? I was excited to see this video and went out to see if i can slow down the reaction time as I am learning the personal pace and am not very smooth at it or thrilled with the system. My previous mower system is is similar to the lever on the Turfmaster and was easier to regulate but don't have that mower now. To my surprise there is no thumb knob with legend as Alan demonstrated on my 2019 Timemaster. Thinking there is no adjustment because we have the blue assist handle or can the nut and clamp holding down the cable accomplish the same thing as what Alan mentions. Thanks to Both Alan and Ryan for their Timemaster video.
Thank you, I just got mine today and I didn’t understand how to work it until I found this video.
Great tips!
I've been a Toro user for more than 20 years, and I just got a new Personal Pace model last year.. Its been great, and these tips will definitely help me get the most out of it and fully understand how it works. Thanks!
Heshwuan, you still on here?
The knob would be a great retrofit for older Personal Pace mowers. Would make adjustment much easier. The cable seems to stretch after a few uses and then you lose your immediate responsiveness of the personal pace system until you adjust the tension again.
These are the features that probably are in the manual but people get too excited about the new toy and don't bother to read. Nice recap LCN. By the way, I have a self propelled Toro, 13 years old and still runs like a real toro. Congrats on the Toro relationship.
I really like my old toro 2 stroke commercial thing is a beast I've cut through 2 foot tall grass full pass would not bog down at all and my old 36 walk behind was built like a tank wish I still had it
My super recycler came with 3 handle height adjustments. I'm 6'2" so I welded a piece of metal on both sides to make it higher. It's awesome!
I've been looking for a solution to the problem "reversing" the personal pace. I'll try your suggestion.
I've had the 4 wheel personal pace for 4 years.I noticed a seeking sound coming from the wheels.Can you do a video on serviceing the wheels and gears to help increase service life?
If you have a rough yard, this is the jerkiess self propelled on the market. Convert it to bail activated and I'm on board!
The problem is that you have to adjust the cable so that the spring connected to the belt pulley is tight, and also so that the cable at the handle will move when you push the handle. It’s hard to get the cable tight up top, and have the right tension on the belt. The belt either is spinning the wheels with the handle not pushed in. Or it won’t spin the wheels at all.
glad I found this.. I will need to try some of these adjustments. a neighbor borrowed mine and broke the traction cable/parts so I had to replace it. now to engage the traction, I have to pull the pace bar completely back, which is opposite of the intended function. also to pull the mower back, I have to depress the bar so it is not all the back towards to handlebar... also backwards... ugh
Mines a 2011.... I dont take care of it. And it still runs fully. Just now replacing the drive belt and it takes a good 10 pulls to start (maybe cuz the plug is coated in flour)
Thank you! I just bought a model 20334 (with horrible instructions included, both on putting together and on how to use it). Your video was really helpful. I'm sure I'll be coming back to view again. :)
Thanks for the video. I own a 30 year old toro mower and when the time comes to upgrade I was hesitate about the personal pace system. I actually bought a new toro snowblower 2 years ago and I chose a non personal pace model. I might give personal pace a shot on my next lawn mower though.
Thanks for making this. I love the personal pace mowers, I've decided I won't buy a non-personal pace mower. I just wish some other manufacturers would do something similar so I have more options when it comes to mowers. Toro is fine and all, I just don't get how nobody else has copied it, the patents have to be close to expiring.
Very informative video, answered 2 concerns I had. On a side note, I want to commend you on how your channel has evolved since 2009. I'm not on social media, and this is the only avenue I use to express admiration for the work you, Jake and RyanKnorr do. May your venture with Toro, be a SUCCESSFUL one.
Thank you for this video. I didn't know about this adjustment and will check my lawn mower out this spring.. I found the information about backing up a real help.
My last 30 inch mower had a steering wheel and seat on it; MTD rear engine rider !! Great mower.
Nice video and informative... I have wondered how the personal pace allowed for adjustments.
Have that mower and love it. Just wish they would offer quality wheels/tires
I have a 2009 model with rear drive and the plastic gears in the wheels would wear out and cause uneven movements and a grinding noise. I did find an “upgraded” wheel kit online that has metal gears inside the wheels and replacement axle gears to match up. Works much better now. I’m not sure if the newer models have gone to metal or not.
Even when it's not lawn tips, I still love these vids
also, have you experienced the spring underneath (that is linked to Personal Pace actuation) detached? One TH-camr had experienced this, and he just returned it as the load on the spring was to strong... so, just curious to see if you or anyone else has come across this problem.
Hi, I'm Rose from Marietta GA, my back hurts from bending over , I need to learn how to adjust the height of the mower.. please and thank you.
Thanks for explaining this. I had trouble visualizing how it worked and the negative reviews from people. Though I did assume some was user error. What model or whatever has the larger back wheels. This one says all 8" tires. Will that make much of a difference? Thanks.
So what if our system doesn't have the adjustment knob and simply has a nut in its place? I'm assuming it is still okay to make the adjustment with a wrench? I am also assuming that my mower does not have the adjustment knob because as the push button start?
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this machine LCN!!! I use this over a 30" exmark
Just brought home a new personal pace 20357 power reverse, missing the manual, I do very much appreciate the tips
Very helpful tutorial LCN. Look at you being all professional and stuff. Can't wait to here the news.
I know right? who knew.
shades removed please...
That's cool and all, but when are they going to give you a timemaster or a greens master?! Come on Toro!
What is the actual advantage of the Person Pace? With the other self propelled mowers on the lower models, the bar works fine for me and my preference. If you want to go faster or slower is just a matter of how much you pull up on the bar. I can do that with one finger. I'm trying to like the Personal pace and will make some of the adjustments as you suggested.
to me, the personal pace is more of a natural feel.
i cant believe people have trouble pushing a lawn mower! how hard can it be?
+David C not everyone who buys a lawn is ready to care for it, let alone the equipment needed to execute. That's why my channel exists. :)
So you've had your personal pace mower for long enough now to know of any issues with the system. Has your mower given you any trouble with the personal pace system at all? Looks pretty dummy proof in operation other than possibly having some cable issues or a transmission failure, have you experienced anything the homeowner should do to lubricate or otherwise maintain on the system?
So sorry I bought a Toro Personal Pace. First, learned I hate rear-propelled walk behinds. A front propelled walk behind is much easier to maneuver, especially when pulling back, lifting up and sliding around obstacles, etc. Second, the Personal Pace is garbage, I should have listened to my Spidey Sense when the Toro dealer was describing it. A traditional full self-propel is the best (with front propel) and with larger rear wheels. Third, the adjustment for the Personal Pace is a terrible design, plain stupid. And it never really has an ideal setting or adjustment, it either jerks too fast off the start or it never really propels...you end up pushing 99%. Forth, when backing up, pulling back...as you've probably heard, the rear wheels are almost always locked...they say the trick is to quite a bit before you actually need to stop and pull back is you need to fully stop, fully pull the Personal Pace handle up, stop, maybe push it forward again a little to loosen or disengage the propel mechanism, then try to pull back. What a bunch of garbage.
Thank you! I totally agree and regret buying this expensive machine! Ughhh it makes me crazy with the rear wheel drive!! And self paced basically means it goes at your pace of pushing. Not self propelled at all! And I bought the display model so I can’t return mine. 😬😬😬
I'm looking at their electric, battery powered model, but I'm concerned that the self propelled function will kick on more often than needed, causing unnecessary battery drain.
🤔..?
I've used my super recycler about 5 times now, and just started thinking, man I'm sure doing a lot of work pushing this thing.... It wasn't self propelling at all..
Mitchell Long I wouldn’t get 1 unless it was self propelled, or a real lightweight mower
Doesnt that traction control knob also adjust the tightness on the belt too?
I am kind of lawn nut myself, I have a question, for the past 40 years I own Toro lawn mowers.and very happy with their quality I am on the market for a new Toro lawn mower I am not sure whether to buy a personal pace smart stow recycler or a super recycler, I am a senior I need to save some money,my worry is the transmission on the recycler has a plastic cover are the gears also plastic? I would appreciate an answer, thank you Nick
This is one of the first videos I've watched as I consider purchasing a Toro Recycler lawn mower. I'm already eyeing the Toro Recyclers, but I'm wondering if the Personal Pace feature is going to end up being a maintenance trap? I am not mechanically inclined and would have to pay for service each time. Of course, the adjustments you discuss here - I can definitely do those. Thanks for the video!
How about a Toro Mower give away???!!!! Come on Toro hook up the LCN faithful! On a side note...core aeration knocked out this morning....milorganite and watering this afternoon....the perfect Saturday!
You didn't hear he is giving one away to everyone of his subscribers he is Oprah Winfreying that shit hahahahaha
Have you done videos on replacing the drive belts? I have AWD so there's two belts. Thanks.
I like to walk fast sometimes jog, my personal pace is dragging on my strides. How to release drag for faster top pace?
Anybody had a problem with the gas cap?
Love my Timemaster, just got it last spring. Cut my 15000sqft lawn twice a week in the spring and fall, once in the summer. Never had a problem with it. Gave it a tuneup in the fall and soon I will be sharpening up the blades. Hopefully I can afford to get the Toro striping kit for it this spring and I'll really be dominating!
I'm sending this to my neighbor. Time Master moves a little too fast for him. Thanks for the helpful tips.
Is Toro offering any discounts to Lawn Care Nut fans?!?
Are you going to update this to talk about the new Iso Flex handles?
Talk to your Toro people. Toro is coming out with a power reverse model in 2018.
I need to speed up the governor just a little bit and figure out why my personal pace gets stuck in reverse and the left rear wheel keeps locking
Kind sir can you tell me if the mower you were showing us is front-wheel drive or rear wheel drive and also could you tell me on the new power forward and power reverse if you feel that's just more to go wrong are you actually being pushed backwards when you pull the handle up or does it just allow it to Freewheel it seem to work very nice in the videos but I'm wondering if that means that there are two drives and that you are going in and out of the drive again and again which might cause premature wear thanks for your time
I have a 28 year old Toro push mower and had been thinking about getting a new Personal Pace model. NOT ANY MORE !!
LCN,
Long time subscriber here. Love the channel buddy. I went ahead and bought a Toro recycler 22 inch smart Stow with the personal pace because of your reviews. The one thing I thought it had that it actually doesn't is the little blue lever on the right hand side that allows you to walk away from the lawn mower and leave it running although you no longer have it engaged.
My question is why does mine not have that? Is this some sort of aftermarket part that you buy and then put on? If so where can I get it?
Love the channel, hope you get back to me, keep up the good work!
Helping me decide my next mower! Keep it up LCN! I always enjoy your videos
this is the first lawn mower i have bought in 15 years. What is the element valve thing on the left side of the mower? And h
I was mowing the other day and noticed there was a broken spring on the right of the personal pace handle. Is there a way to replace that spring? I'm going to take a guess that it's some kind of a return spring.
just subscribed to your channel an hr ago and i cant stop watching your videos lol. great job my man!! you help us more than you may ever know. Thanks for being a nut! 👍
Do you like the Columbia shirts bc of their built in SPF? I was checking them out today at my local outlet store. I may pick up a few once the weather gets a little warmer here.
My personal pase mower runs well for a few mins. But stalls out after its hot when I try to go fast. It I push on the slider it stalls. If I pull the slide up to the top it runs fine. Anyone else have this problem
The more I see these vids on the new Toro models, it's tempting to retire my 10 year old Honda mower, and replace it with one of these.
Fat Guy Guns I just got a toro super recycler with a Honda motor. Can’t wait to try it out this year. I figure it’s the best of both worlds Honda and toro
No no no
Hey Allen I really have learned a bunch from you over this year that I have been watching the channel so thank you for that. So I got a question for you. I know you are a Toro guy but what do you think of the Honda with the plastic decks and why did you choose the Toro?
I've not used a Honda mower since I was a kid. Back then I remember it was a great mower and I liked the blade stop feature. Other than that, I have always used Toro since then and am just a brand loyal buyer. Toro has always made very good quality homeowner mowers and I think the Super Recycler is the best "high end" homeowner mower you can get.
Can I put the larger wheels on my awd that came with the small ones from the factory?
Bring back the old LCN music!! Love me some Otis!
good ole Otis
Thanks
what is the element thing on the left side of the mower? and how do you use it?
LCN... Great ending to the video, I think that is the reason most of us in the lawn care industry decide to strike out on our own.
love your videos
thanks bro
What brand is that gas filler?
I was expecting to see you pimp it out with LCN stickers hehe
Was up Lawn Care Nut.. Do you miss Chicago Area lol we just got hit with a storm when i was ready for landscaping love the videos
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Try a Front Wheel Drive toro for a vid plz
Another great video. I just picked up one of these only two years old. This video will help. On a different topic, can you transplant bluegrass plugs like you do the warm season grasses?
you can but the spreading is so slow that it's not worth it.
Thanks Lawn Care Nut, you just saved me months of staring out the window.
What model/make was the gas can? Downward spigot and top lever? Genius!
here you go amzn.to/2nCZEAy
Thank you, you helped me make up my mind and will buy this in March
Cant wait to make the switch to a TORO! Thinking about trying their AWD unit.
it's a good handling machine for sure
The Lawn Care Nut Its a cheap half plastic piece of junk.
I'm a maintenance man and like your videos. This is off topic and stupid but my wife and I have been arguing and guessing what is that white car in your driveway? We gotta know . I say Nissan or BMW she says Audi. Thanks for another great video and reading my crazy comment
Ryan Hom
Your wife was right. Is right. Always right. Am I right?
Does it come with a beer holder?
Rey Gomez HVAC
I wouldn't want one. Lawn is too bumpy.
What's the tallest wheels can I put on my toro personal pace mower?
Great video on the Best mower I have ever owned !
What brand do you prefer
You get nothing like this in the UK. You get a main brand dominating which would be Mountfield. We also have Honda too but they are insanely expensive over here. Ive only ever seen 1 Toro push mower here which the guy imported into the UK, however you will find the larger Toro machines which are made for Golf Course cutting.