Your english cannot be more perfect bro. Just like me, when i am trying learn how to speak in english in front of the mirror. But thank you. I understood everyting CLEARLY. :D
@@Glob3Tech i want to use somehow, not ulp but vlp 31mm ram with 12mm fan, somehow want to deshroud an lga 1700 motherboard remove wifie card spacing and be it something like dinge dongle like, or som other soltion for wifie. which mother board do you think will work, asus z590 sure not cause tower m.2, but maybe msi z690 or asus b660, or any other? want to maintain ddr5 compatibility.
@@Glob3Tech Fair. Do you think i can swap the rear heatsink and front fan control plastic from evga 3090ti to 3090, or there is some aftermarket one, i dont like the colour either front of back of the non ti, but my case only fits non ti. What do you think, can you make me a forum question somwhere, if you are into it?
thanks for this review, i already have a Blackridge in my S4M-C and i ended up discovering the same results as you, the NF-A12x15 as intake is the best config for lowest temps, and for decently low sound as well. very detailed and i appreciated the sound tests, as well as the overview of the fitment of the cooler!
I have the duct tests in a later video in the playlist. So yes, in this clip, no duct kit. Go for the Black Ridge if you are comfy with the vlp ram in order to use the slim 120 mm fan and if your motherboard accepts all of these without mods. Otherwise, it's very hard to beat the l9a as an overall package (primarly in the A4), especially now with the fan duct kit.
Very good review. It would be great if you did a separate review of only the Black Ridge in an open setup, where you complete the number with 120 mm fan on top and bottom and 120 mm fan on top and 92 mm fan on bottom. Knowing the impact of that would be very interesting, because the Black Ridge is also a very attractive cooler for the Sliger SM550/560 and Ghost S1. It even fits into the Saber Sentry.
Hi. I tested a lof of variations but came to the conclusion that the Black Ridge is worth it if you can find the VLP Ram so you can use the 120 mm slim fan. If not, overall for the A4 the Noctua L9a is better for my needs since it's a bit quieter.
@@Glob3Tech Oh ok, Im going for a similar build but with 9th gen (i5 9600k & z390). but I am not sure which z390 mini itx motherboard to go for as I know that I will run into clearance issues with the Black ridge? do you have any recommendations?
@@KlashtasticK Sure thing. From my understanding the Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX Gaming is a popular choice with no modification. But please double check to avoid any surprises. I never had anything from Intel for the newer stuff just AMD. Hope this helps :) Later edit: Found one confirmation here for the Asrock. www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/dhp66u/alpenfohn_black_ridge_on_asrock_z390_phantom/?
Omg I’ve looking for a video with this exact info! Thank you so much! This is my build: Dan a4 v4.1, Asrock B550 mb, Ryzen 5 3600, Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8gb, EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX 3070 and of course Blackridge cpu cooler (intake). The most annoying problem I had was the loud cpu fan noise, even while just browsing I kept hearing the rpms going up every 30 seconds or so and the case was quite hot. I switched to the stock Ryzen cpu cooler and temps and noise was quite better, only problem is I can’t close the side panel lol. So I’m currently debating whether to buy a noctua 9mm fan for the blackridge (because of my ram I can’t get a 12mm :( ) o just buy the Noctua L9a cpu cooler pack. Which one would you recommend? I use the pc lightly for work, some CAD programs and mostly I want to try new games at 2k. Thanks again man!
Hey Gonzalo! Ah my pleasure man, glad to help and thank you for the kind words 🤗 Nice build you have there by the way. OK, with the black ridge with the noctua fan or even the L9a, I suggest that you manually OC the CPU for 1.075v-1.1v or an offset negative voltage since that's why it makes the fan go crazy - the bios keeps pushing too much voltage to keep the high GHz. Have a look please at my other videos in the playlist where I saw a 20C difference on my 3700x just by doing that voltage trick, on the L9a if you can believe it. Since you already have the Black ridge, get that noctua fan since it's way better than the stock BR one and then do the manual OC. 👍 Let me know how it goes.
@@Glob3Tech thanks for your fast response man, really appreciate it! I’m gonna try that! Just out of curiosity if you had to use the noctua 9mm fan which cpu cooler would you choose? (Assuming you undervolt the cpu and use the optimal config) The blackridge or the noctua n9a?
@@gonzalocrs You are most welcome🤟 Tough one 😁 I really like both - the L9a it's such a potent low profile cooler for its size while the BR has a lot of potential but only with the 120 mm fan you can unlock it. Since that is out of the equation, yeah the L9a I would go for as long as you do that manual voltage. Plus with the L9a then you can have more RAM options heigh wise.
@@Glob3Tech Hey man! I'm back to report results for anyone interested. I was able to get a discounted NH-L9A cromax and I can tell the noise and temps reduction are quite significant for its size. I quickly switched the cooler and placed the Alpenfohn fan as a chasis fan under the mobo (exhaust). The noise of that Alpenfohn fan is reeeeally loud, had to switch its voltage in bios to 3-pin and it finally got quiet (I’m gonna order a 9mm noctua fan to use it at regular speed). I took your advice and undervolted the cpu (3.6Ghz) to 1.075 and the noise got a lot lower with temps around 55-60 with light usage (chrome, excel, etc) and 70-75 while gaming. After that I tried 1.05 and temps are 50-55-60 light usage and 70 gaming. Using a regular pc I know that cpu temps should be around 40-45 degrees (light usage) so I would like to ask you if my current temps are okay. Also, should I place the chasis fan under mobo as exhaust or intake? Which one is more efficient? I’m also using another noctua 9mm (25mm thick) fan under the psu (exhaust aswell but I'm not sure what impact that one is having in the chasis overall). Thanks for your patience :)
Nice one man ! Thank you for the updates! Your temps with the L9a and current setup and tweaks, seem on track. (also what's your ambient temp?) Yeah, try to get another Noctua fan if you can in the future to replace that black ridge fan. As for fan orientation, I would suggest that you place the case fan (below the motherboard to exhaust) to dumb the hot air outside the case downwards, since the L9a does an excellent job at providing some indirect airflow to the motherboard as well, and that air should be collected by the case fan. As for the 25mm fan underneath the PSU, well it would make sense to exhaust as well but here you must experiment to see which would be better - I never tried that fan placement option underneath the PSU. For reference I have discovered that with the AIO, the best results are with the fan placed to blow the air upwards - but again this is for the AIO. With the CPU, you can experiment as much as you can, just make sure that at 3.6 GHz you still have at least +/-5% of its stock performance. But it's up to you, personally I will always trade 10% FPS for a 15-20 degrees C cooler CPU.
@@Glob3Tech I have Corsair crystal 280x. Maximum cpu cooler height is 150mm so Black ridge can fit easily. So I can use 2x120mm fans as long as the fan under is slim. Thank you.
Hi, Nice video, very detailed. Im a bit new and I'm not english speaker so I'm not sure about the intake/exhaust configuration. Just to make that clear for me, the alphenfohn comes by defualt in exhaust and does that mean that the airflow is from the fan to the OUTSIDE (meaning pushing air from the "motherboard" to the cooler and to the outside)?? Changing the fan so that takes air from outside to make it go throw the cooler is intake (meaning flow of air is cooler --> fan --> motherboard)? thx for the video it helped a lot !
Hi Kevin. Thank you, glad to be of help 🤗 Sure no worries. Exacrly right! So yeah from factory they put the fan as an exhaust - exactly like you said - it blows the air from the motherboard side through the heatsink and then outside. Flipping it in, as an intake, it sucks the air from outside, cools the heatsink and as an added bonus, it cools the motherboard as well which in turn helps a bit with the VRM, chipset temps as well. Any other questions, please fire away 🤗
Hi! Thank you in advance for this great video. I see something strange at minute 07:02. The last row and the third row from the bottom show the temperature values with Noctuas 92mm and 120mm as exhaust. The 120mm behave a lot worse than the 92mm (both as exhaust). How can this be possible? A 120mm fan should be better than a 92mm fan with same conditions. Do you have any reason for that? And thank you again for the video.
Thank for the feedback! Yes, it's due to the auto % rpm fan curve and sometimes I there are spikes of temp due to load etc hence why I will see 'wierd' results like this. If I keep the fan speed at 100%, then everything will be ocd math perfect 😄
@@Glob3Tech Thank you for the early answer! To be more accurate, you should maintain all the fans at the same speed constantly to really see the difference in temperatures. Otherwise you will see this unreliable results. As I see with Optimun Tech tests, there is a difference between Intake and Exhaust, but it's only around 3ºC (not 13ºC). It's enough to change the direction, anyway. Thank you. Your video helps me make a decision choosing the right cooler. Congratulations.
Thank you sharing your setup, i'm planned to build mine with Alpenfohn Black Ridge. Do you think gigabyte z490i aorus ultra itx will fix this cooler without remove its m.2 heatsink?
You are welcome! Thank you as well. From the pictures, I think high chances that it needs the M.2 heatsink to be removed. Can't really tell for sure though since we need another angle and measurements :)
Yo man, my crucial p1 ssd is not detected by the bios. I installed it in the top... beneath where I removed the heatstink. I'm pretty sure I installed it correctly... any ideas?
Hi man. Sorry I didn't get the notifications for your comments. Hm wierd. It should have worked. Did you try the back one as well just to eliminate the possibility that the front M.2 port is good or not?
Wow, I'm totally gutted -.- The riser cable that comes with the Kolink Rocket is too high. No chance in hell that will fit. Did that riser cable come included with the DAN case?
@@Glob3Tech Update: managed to get the riser in there. For anyone having the same issue or planning this: you have to pull the 120mm fan right to the top of the mainboard, the riser will have to bend slightly, but should be fine. Like this, riser of pretty much any hight will fit. Still, I think the DAN A4 is the better option, some things in the Rocket are not fully thought through :/ But thats another story
is there any VLP on the market with higher speeds (not overclocked)? for instance 3600 ?? I'd totally go for this setup with the 120mm fan from noctua but i'll also want to have faster RAM. Either this as seen in the video (love it btw. thanks for the detailed info captain!!) or see how a Ryzen 3700x would do with a 90mm fan and still be able to have faster Ram.
Thank you sir 😁🤗 Unfortunately no. At the moment I haven't seen above 2666 MHz. amzn.to/31Ow3L0 Hence why I haven't pursued it further since with the 92mm fan even the Noctua there isn't a big difference. But will put it the books 🤗
I wanted to do a 120x15mm fan, but the only store I can find that sells vlp ddr3200 cancelled my order and changed the listed $58.99 price to "Call for Price". I hope an nf-a9x14 is good enough to keep quiet with a 3700x.
Myself had problems with the vlp ram. They sent me regular tall memory. Hence the only 4gb stick i could find i had to use to finish my testing. Yeah that is the next cpu I want to get as well. Good luck.
@@Glob3Tech Yeah unfortunately the only popular use case I can think of for vlp ram is in blade servers or other ultra compact servers. Those all use ecc rdimms and as far as I can tell they're easily available. Vlp udimms are probably so rarely used that no store stocks them so they require bulk orders.
@@Lead_Foot Exactly. In the UK I only found that 4gb stick non ecc kingston and the one i linked in the description is an 8gb one from kingston as well. Need to test out of curiosity if ecc works on my board. What were the ones you found at 3200 mhz? I didn't see anything higher that 2666. Ali express has what we need but they send me the wrong ones. Adata makes them 32gb ddr4 2666 kits.
Hey maybe someone can help. I am using the a4 sfx case with blackridge cooler and 3x noctua fans. One to replace stock noctua, one beneath psu and one under mobo. Cpu fan should blow air on cpu right? Which direction should be the two bottom fans? I read exhaust everywhere but shouldnt heat exhaust at the top? Like hot air wants to rise? Shoulsnt i intake cool air from bottom?
Hi. If you check my playlist, I did all of these tests and combinations. I would do the one on the blackridge as an intake (sucking air from the outside).plus it cools the mobo as well. Under the mobo, as an exhaust (push air out of the case) since the fan on the black ridge will distribute air over the motherboard as well. The one under the psu, shouldn't matter too much since you don't have an AIO. I would place it as an exhaust to be in tandem with the one under the motherboard. To get the most out of the blackridge, if your mobo allows it and get vlp ram, try the noctua 120mm slim fan. I did a video on that as well.
Thank you. I know. :) I am trying now to see if the Asrock boards do indeed support ECC Rram and go from there since I have some ECC ram to play with. New video pending as we speak.
Great video! I’m planning to do a mini-itx build with the Black Ridge cooler using the Noctua 120mm intake method. I’ll be using the identical motherboard to what you have with a Ryzen 9 3900X without ever overclocking. Using mostly Adobe Premiere Pro & the odd PC sim gaming (F1 2018 & MotoGP 19) with a Gigabyte RTX 2080 mini. Is the VLP memory you posted a link to the fastest you could source out?
Thank you! Nice specs! At that moment, yes. I think crucial may do bigger kits but I couldn't find them. Kingston has VLP 32 gb 2666 kits but on ali express. Good luck with the build!
@Glob3Tech, I have the same mobo and the V4.1 case with the USB-C front IO. How did you manage to hook up the front IO to the mobo? There doesn't seem to be a USB type-c connector on the mobo? Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Andy. Sure, of course. Well my V4.0 has the front type-C as well but it's only USB 3.2 Gen1. And it has this port. www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/9y7bul/fractal_design_define_r6_usb_30_header_cable_to/ But the V4.1 has the usb 3.2gen2 but the Key-A on the plug ? This on the left? (Mine's on the right) images.app.goo.gl/LRSpoGqAnAoSAFgy9 If so, then yeah, our motherboard doesn't have that port :)
@@AquaPixMedia My pleasure :) Hopefully this adapter will work. Only thing I can I can foresee is if there will be enough room to plug your plug into this and then into the motherboard :) amzn.to/38jxwJq
@@AquaPixMedia Too bad :/ I think so but maybe give Dan an email on his website to give you the final answer since I don't know the part number for it. Good luck Andy :)
@@Glob3Tech Thanks for this! :) Have you noticed any warping or curvature on the motherboard, seen here: www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/eonpp7/dont_use_the_ekl_black_ridge_on_a_am4_mainboard/
@@Glob3Tech The threads on the OEM backplate of the Asus B450-i can be tapped out gently, and can then be used in combo with the Black Ridge + AM4 CPU. I've just done this myself, to help prevent any motherboard curvature :)
Apperently no, unfortunatly. hardforum.com/threads/dan-hslp-48-a-powerful-sub-50mm-heatsink.1925480/page-39#post-1043951811 M.2 should be fine even without the heatsink - I use my 970 2TB EVO on the back of the motherboard where it has no air and no problems at all.
As far as I am aware, no. The heatsink apperently helps with extra cooling for the M.2. But when you install it on the back of the mobo like most have it, there is no airflow and the m.2 are still fine like I had mine for a long time. So yeah all good :)
@@Glob3Tech Ah so it's better to install the m.2 on the back of the mobo? I didn't know that at all. Thanks. What If I want a second one in the future, can I place it on the front without issue?
@@Zakariat89 Yeah my m.2 97o evo 2tb never had any throttling issues. I had in the back for months, I keep it htere so I can use the front one as a quick acces when I test pther m.2s. Just so you know that if you use the m.2 nvme on the back, the 16x from the gpu goes to 8x - at least on this asus b450i. So yes you can populate both and just put a fan on the bottom of the case if you get the A4 to help a bit.
great vid, lots of help to those who are drifting back and forth while planning to move to sff, like me. interesting question though: at 4:27 it looks like you have plenty of extra room above the ram heatsink, I would say a good 2-3mm. according to the specs, the vulcanz is 32mm. I have been trying to gain info if hyperx fury modules would fit (34,1mm). theoretically they wouldn't, but from your angle it seems that they could. it would be nice to have a match for the vulcanz and corsair lpx ram combo. can you check this issue maybe? many thanks for the useful vid!
Thank you so much Abel for the kind words and hope you will take the SFF route as well 😇🤗 Regarding your question, sure I will try to measure the remaining gap and get back to you. All the best, Alex
Not sure why, but for the the black ridge with Noctua Fan was performing a lot worse than the noctua L9a., It was 10C hotter and louder, switched back to the L9a with the Noctua Fan Shroud and it is silent and cool again. Really wanted to love the black ridge, but the noctua solution was the way to go for me.
Thanks! Was looking exactly for this. I even have the same motherboard lol. It seems upgrading from the noctua l9a is not really worth it unless you can use the Noctua 120mm, but vlp ram seems to generally suck, even the good ones seem to have rather low frequencies and timings which is essential for ryzen. I was hoping this could cool a 3800x but now it seems there's not a good chance of that, would probably be fine with a 3700x tho. Thanks for the great work, I know how annoying it is to keep taking apart the dan-a4. BTW I also got the corsair sleeved cables but imho they are not really better than the std ones that came with the psu, since they are thicker and impossible to actually fit correctly in a way that would be pleasing to the eye. So it seems to me it's either custom cables or nothing.
Thank you so much Babao! Yes, currently I switched to the new all black L9i and used the L9a brackets so at least my OCD is happy :) I know, I want the 3700x myself and hopefully that new eco mode for 3rd gen Ryzen might make the 3700x from 65w tdp to into a 45w one so I can use still the L9i. I don't that much CPU power really than my 1700 but we will see. Oh yes, custom cables or nothing like you said. They are a must especially if you want the AIO in there. Thank you for the comment and good luck with your rig! All the best, Alex
Thanks for your nice video. I like your analysis on the Dan A4 components. My plan is also to go for a Black Ridge with a 120mm fan. I‘m considering this VLP RAM: www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR26N19S8L_8.pdf I also watched your video about the ASUS B550-I. I‘d like to have the same mobo. However, it seems the RAM is not supported by the B550-I, www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B550-I-GAMING/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/ where as the B550-F does support it. www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B550-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/ The B550-I only supports the following non VLP RAM: www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR26N19S8_8.pdf I don‘t understand that for two reasons: 1) the motherboards are more or less the same, differ only in size and IO. 2) the RAM are also more or less the same, only differs in their PCB size according to the spec sheets. Do you have an idea why the VLP RAM is not listed on the -I but on the -F mobo as supported? Thanks in advance for your answer!
Hi Matthias. Thank you very much! 🤗 I would say 99% your desired RAM kit (from the first link) will work on any motherboard as long as they are not ECC (which they aren't, so all good). The one I had for this video also wasn't listed in the official QVL list at that time and they worked perfectly. Usually vendors can't fully list every possible kit out there hence why we will find weird discrepancies like you listed above. Good luck and please let me know how it turns out. ✌
>designing a cooler that will visually cower the ugly and disgusting MOBO ports black ridge creator: eww~🤮 >designing a cooler that will visually cower the RAM or better yet... will even make installation of the beautiful RGB trident RAM *impossible* ?! black ridge creator: yaaaaaay!~🤩
I am running hot temps. Did you use the backplate that came with the motherboard for installing the black ridge? Got CPU temps at 85 degrees during gaming
Nothing like trying to find some very specific obscure internet information and finding an extremely detailed test. Thank you!
You are very welcome and thank you so much Thomas! 🤗
Your english cannot be more perfect bro. Just like me, when i am trying learn how to speak in english in front of the mirror. But thank you. I understood everyting CLEARLY. :D
Oh thank you so much man 😊 Means a lot! Exactly, just keep at it. The habbit will form naturaly 🤗
@@Glob3Tech i want to use somehow, not ulp but vlp 31mm ram with 12mm fan, somehow want to deshroud an lga 1700 motherboard remove wifie card spacing and be it something like dinge dongle like, or som other soltion for wifie. which mother board do you think will work, asus z590 sure not cause tower m.2, but maybe msi z690 or asus b660, or any other? want to maintain ddr5 compatibility.
and as i know there is no ddr5 vlp, i want 2 32gb stick or at least 2 16gb.
@@k.o.t.o.n. Hard one to guess since I don't have any of those mobos to proper gauge any experiments.
@@Glob3Tech Fair. Do you think i can swap the rear heatsink and front fan control plastic from evga 3090ti to 3090, or there is some aftermarket one, i dont like the colour either front of back of the non ti, but my case only fits non ti. What do you think, can you make me a forum question somwhere, if you are into it?
You are THE MAN for posting the link to the RAM
Ah thank you 🤗 and my pleasure.
Thank you for this video! I have a build started after I ordered the cooler and am now working backwards for compatible parts!
Glad to help 🤗 Let me know how it goes when done.
thanks for this review, i already have a Blackridge in my S4M-C and i ended up discovering the same results as you, the NF-A12x15 as intake is the best config for lowest temps, and for decently low sound as well. very detailed and i appreciated the sound tests, as well as the overview of the fitment of the cooler!
Perfect thank you so much for the feedback and the reconfirmation of my results 🤗 My pleasure 🤗
Did you use a fan duct for the L9a tests? Or should I distract 5c from the results? Still hesitating between Black Ridge and L9a.
I have the duct tests in a later video in the playlist. So yes, in this clip, no duct kit.
Go for the Black Ridge if you are comfy with the vlp ram in order to use the slim 120 mm fan and if your motherboard accepts all of these without mods.
Otherwise, it's very hard to beat the l9a as an overall package (primarly in the A4), especially now with the fan duct kit.
When you say intake you mean the fan is blowing air on the motherboard right?
Exactly. Takes it from the outside and blows it onto the mobo.
Very good review.
It would be great if you did a separate review of only the Black Ridge in an open setup, where you complete the number with 120 mm fan on top and bottom and 120 mm fan on top and 92 mm fan on bottom. Knowing the impact of that would be very interesting, because the Black Ridge is also a very attractive cooler for the Sliger SM550/560 and Ghost S1. It even fits into the Saber Sentry.
Thank you! Sure, will try this variation as well.
Hi again. here are the requested variations as well ;) th-cam.com/video/x_lY6-4EKHE/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I noticed you were using a noctua cpu air cooler. Which model was that? and why did you switch to the black ridge? is it for better temps? thanks
Hi. I tested a lof of variations but came to the conclusion that the Black Ridge is worth it if you can find the VLP Ram so you can use the 120 mm slim fan. If not, overall for the A4 the Noctua L9a is better for my needs since it's a bit quieter.
@@Glob3Tech Oh ok, Im going for a similar build but with 9th gen (i5 9600k & z390). but I am not sure which z390 mini itx motherboard to go for as I know that I will run into clearance issues with the Black ridge? do you have any recommendations?
@@KlashtasticK Sure thing. From my understanding the Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX Gaming is a popular choice with no modification. But please double check to avoid any surprises. I never had anything from Intel for the newer stuff just AMD. Hope this helps :)
Later edit:
Found one confirmation here for the Asrock.
www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/dhp66u/alpenfohn_black_ridge_on_asrock_z390_phantom/?
dude you look like the TechSource guy! great review btw
Yeah, I keep getting that a lot 😁 Thank you 🤗
Omg I’ve looking for a video with this exact info! Thank you so much! This is my build: Dan a4 v4.1, Asrock B550 mb, Ryzen 5 3600, Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8gb, EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX 3070 and of course Blackridge cpu cooler (intake). The most annoying problem I had was the loud cpu fan noise, even while just browsing I kept hearing the rpms going up every 30 seconds or so and the case was quite hot. I switched to the stock Ryzen cpu cooler and temps and noise was quite better, only problem is I can’t close the side panel lol. So I’m currently debating whether to buy a noctua 9mm fan for the blackridge (because of my ram I can’t get a 12mm :( ) o just buy the Noctua L9a cpu cooler pack. Which one would you recommend? I use the pc lightly for work, some CAD programs and mostly I want to try new games at 2k. Thanks again man!
Hey Gonzalo! Ah my pleasure man, glad to help and thank you for the kind words 🤗 Nice build you have there by the way.
OK, with the black ridge with the noctua fan or even the L9a, I suggest that you manually OC the CPU for 1.075v-1.1v or an offset negative voltage since that's why it makes the fan go crazy - the bios keeps pushing too much voltage to keep the high GHz. Have a look please at my other videos in the playlist where I saw a 20C difference on my 3700x just by doing that voltage trick, on the L9a if you can believe it. Since you already have the Black ridge, get that noctua fan since it's way better than the stock BR one and then do the manual OC. 👍 Let me know how it goes.
@@Glob3Tech thanks for your fast response man, really appreciate it! I’m gonna try that! Just out of curiosity if you had to use the noctua 9mm fan which cpu cooler would you choose? (Assuming you undervolt the cpu and use the optimal config) The blackridge or the noctua n9a?
@@gonzalocrs You are most welcome🤟 Tough one 😁 I really like both - the L9a it's such a potent low profile cooler for its size while the BR has a lot of potential but only with the 120 mm fan you can unlock it. Since that is out of the equation, yeah the L9a I would go for as long as you do that manual voltage. Plus with the L9a then you can have more RAM options heigh wise.
@@Glob3Tech Hey man! I'm back to report results for anyone interested. I was able to get a discounted NH-L9A cromax and I can tell the noise and temps reduction are quite significant for its size. I quickly switched the cooler and placed the Alpenfohn fan as a chasis fan under the mobo (exhaust). The noise of that Alpenfohn fan is reeeeally loud, had to switch its voltage in bios to 3-pin and it finally got quiet (I’m gonna order a 9mm noctua fan to use it at regular speed).
I took your advice and undervolted the cpu (3.6Ghz) to 1.075 and the noise got a lot lower with temps around 55-60 with light usage (chrome, excel, etc) and 70-75 while gaming. After that I tried 1.05 and temps are 50-55-60 light usage and 70 gaming.
Using a regular pc I know that cpu temps should be around 40-45 degrees (light usage) so I would like to ask you if my current temps are okay. Also, should I place the chasis fan under mobo as exhaust or intake? Which one is more efficient? I’m also using another noctua 9mm (25mm thick) fan under the psu (exhaust aswell but I'm not sure what impact that one is having in the chasis overall). Thanks for your patience :)
Nice one man ! Thank you for the updates!
Your temps with the L9a and current setup and tweaks, seem on track. (also what's your ambient temp?)
Yeah, try to get another Noctua fan if you can in the future to replace that black ridge fan.
As for fan orientation, I would suggest that you place the case fan (below the motherboard to exhaust) to dumb the hot air outside the case downwards, since the L9a does an excellent job at providing some indirect airflow to the motherboard as well, and that air should be collected by the case fan.
As for the 25mm fan underneath the PSU, well it would make sense to exhaust as well but here you must experiment to see which would be better - I never tried that fan placement option underneath the PSU. For reference I have discovered that with the AIO, the best results are with the fan placed to blow the air upwards - but again this is for the AIO.
With the CPU, you can experiment as much as you can, just make sure that at 3.6 GHz you still have at least +/-5% of its stock performance. But it's up to you, personally I will always trade 10% FPS for a 15-20 degrees C cooler CPU.
Alpenfohn Black Ridge can work in push-pull configuration using stock fan and adding "Alpenfohn 120mm rgb high speed" at the top?
Not in the A4 of course, but in any other supporting case. Check this video please - th-cam.com/video/x_lY6-4EKHE/w-d-xo.html
@@Glob3Tech I have Corsair crystal 280x.
Maximum cpu cooler height is 150mm so Black ridge can fit easily.
So I can use 2x120mm fans as long as the fan under is slim.
Thank you.
@@dragonld123 Perfect. Exactly 👍
Short answer, just get the l9a. 10mm less height, more quiet, basically same performance.
Hi, Nice video, very detailed.
Im a bit new and I'm not english speaker so I'm not sure about the intake/exhaust configuration.
Just to make that clear for me, the alphenfohn comes by defualt in exhaust and does that mean that the airflow is from the fan to the OUTSIDE (meaning pushing air from the "motherboard" to the cooler and to the outside)??
Changing the fan so that takes air from outside to make it go throw the cooler is intake (meaning flow of air is cooler --> fan --> motherboard)?
thx for the video it helped a lot !
Hi Kevin. Thank you, glad to be of help 🤗 Sure no worries. Exacrly right!
So yeah from factory they put the fan as an exhaust - exactly like you said - it blows the air from the motherboard side through the heatsink and then outside.
Flipping it in, as an intake, it sucks the air from outside, cools the heatsink and as an added bonus, it cools the motherboard as well which in turn helps a bit with the VRM, chipset temps as well.
Any other questions, please fire away 🤗
@@Glob3Tech thx for the early reply. Ill get it and swip it around for better performance then ! nice review
What vent are you using beneath the motherboard / on the bottom of the case
In this video I had the noctua slim 92 pwm. The link is in the description :)
@@Glob3Techthx bro, have the same case, wanted to place one chasi fan for more cooling
@@crumcon Sure man welcome. They do the black version as well niw with 2500 rpm. 💪
Hi! Thank you in advance for this great video.
I see something strange at minute 07:02. The last row and the third row from the bottom show the temperature values with Noctuas 92mm and 120mm as exhaust. The 120mm behave a lot worse than the 92mm (both as exhaust). How can this be possible? A 120mm fan should be better than a 92mm fan with same conditions.
Do you have any reason for that?
And thank you again for the video.
Thank for the feedback! Yes, it's due to the auto % rpm fan curve and sometimes I there are spikes of temp due to load etc hence why I will see 'wierd' results like this. If I keep the fan speed at 100%, then everything will be ocd math perfect 😄
@@Glob3Tech Thank you for the early answer!
To be more accurate, you should maintain all the fans at the same speed constantly to really see the difference in temperatures. Otherwise you will see this unreliable results.
As I see with Optimun Tech tests, there is a difference between Intake and Exhaust, but it's only around 3ºC (not 13ºC). It's enough to change the direction, anyway.
Thank you. Your video helps me make a decision choosing the right cooler.
Congratulations.
@@promaxtor892Thank you again for the info and feedback! ✌
Will do in the future and glad to be of help.
Does you build not have a graphics card? or is it just hidden somewhere
This case has a sandwhich/parallel design which means the other side of the case has the GPU which is connected via a riser card to the motherboard. 👍
@@Glob3Tech oo nice
Very well made review!
Thank you very much!
Thank you sharing your setup, i'm planned to build mine with Alpenfohn Black Ridge. Do you think gigabyte z490i aorus ultra itx will fix this cooler without remove its m.2 heatsink?
You are welcome! Thank you as well. From the pictures, I think high chances that it needs the M.2 heatsink to be removed. Can't really tell for sure though since we need another angle and measurements :)
Yo man, my crucial p1 ssd is not detected by the bios. I installed it in the top... beneath where I removed the heatstink. I'm pretty sure I installed it correctly... any ideas?
Hi man. Sorry I didn't get the notifications for your comments. Hm wierd. It should have worked. Did you try the back one as well just to eliminate the possibility that the front M.2 port is good or not?
Wow, I'm totally gutted -.- The riser cable that comes with the Kolink Rocket is too high. No chance in hell that will fit. Did that riser cable come included with the DAN case?
Ah sorry to hear that Dash. Yeah, all Dan A4 cases come with the riser cable.
@@Glob3Tech Update: managed to get the riser in there. For anyone having the same issue or planning this: you have to pull the 120mm fan right to the top of the mainboard, the riser will have to bend slightly, but should be fine. Like this, riser of pretty much any hight will fit.
Still, I think the DAN A4 is the better option, some things in the Rocket are not fully thought through :/ But thats another story
Thank you for the update! Glad you got it sorted in the end.
Do think this will work great with a i5 9600k not overclocked?
I never tested that CPU but I would say yes and worst case maybe some negative offset will solve it.
Glob3Tech does this mean it will work great? My English ain’t so good
No problem :) I think it will be ok in stock form for your CPU. You can adjust the voltage in the BIOS of it is too hot.
is there any VLP on the market with higher speeds (not overclocked)? for instance 3600 ??
I'd totally go for this setup with the 120mm fan from noctua but i'll also want to have faster RAM.
Either this as seen in the video (love it btw. thanks for the detailed info captain!!) or see how a Ryzen 3700x would do with a 90mm fan and still be able to have faster Ram.
Thank you sir 😁🤗
Unfortunately no. At the moment I haven't seen above 2666 MHz.
amzn.to/31Ow3L0
Hence why I haven't pursued it further since with the 92mm fan even the Noctua there isn't a big difference.
But will put it the books 🤗
I wanted to do a 120x15mm fan, but the only store I can find that sells vlp ddr3200 cancelled my order and changed the listed $58.99 price to "Call for Price". I hope an nf-a9x14 is good enough to keep quiet with a 3700x.
Myself had problems with the vlp ram. They sent me regular tall memory. Hence the only 4gb stick i could find i had to use to finish my testing. Yeah that is the next cpu I want to get as well. Good luck.
@@Glob3Tech Yeah unfortunately the only popular use case I can think of for vlp ram is in blade servers or other ultra compact servers. Those all use ecc rdimms and as far as I can tell they're easily available. Vlp udimms are probably so rarely used that no store stocks them so they require bulk orders.
@@Lead_Foot Exactly. In the UK I only found that 4gb stick non ecc kingston and the one i linked in the description is an 8gb one from kingston as well. Need to test out of curiosity if ecc works on my board.
What were the ones you found at 3200 mhz? I didn't see anything higher that 2666. Ali express has what we need but they send me the wrong ones. Adata makes them 32gb ddr4 2666 kits.
@@Glob3Tech Micron has 8gb and 16gb ecc udimms at 3200
@@Lead_Foot Thanks. Will have a look in the UK as well.
Hey maybe someone can help. I am using the a4 sfx case with blackridge cooler and 3x noctua fans. One to replace stock noctua, one beneath psu and one under mobo. Cpu fan should blow air on cpu right? Which direction should be the two bottom fans? I read exhaust everywhere but shouldnt heat exhaust at the top? Like hot air wants to rise? Shoulsnt i intake cool air from bottom?
Hi. If you check my playlist, I did all of these tests and combinations.
I would do the one on the blackridge as an intake (sucking air from the outside).plus it cools the mobo as well.
Under the mobo, as an exhaust (push air out of the case) since the fan on the black ridge will distribute air over the motherboard as well.
The one under the psu, shouldn't matter too much since you don't have an AIO. I would place it as an exhaust to be in tandem with the one under the motherboard.
To get the most out of the blackridge, if your mobo allows it and get vlp ram, try the noctua 120mm slim fan. I did a video on that as well.
@@Glob3Tech wow thank you so much! Will watch the seriee
@@takeabow2774 Most welcome 🤗 Any more questions, let me know.
Have you tried this with the new Ryzen 5 5600X ?
Hi Luke, I wish but not yet - can't get one yet at a resonable price.
Is it possible to re-bend the pipes to fit my g.skill flare rams? I need just about 3mm!!!
Uuu.. Tricky one. Do you have the parts to see exactly?
@@Glob3Tech I did not risk it. I just removed the heatspreaders of my g.skill flares. Now the cooler fits perfectly on my X570-i Aorus Pro WiFi.
Nice Video, when you were installing the noctua fan under the black Ridge @2:22 is this the Orientation for intakte or exhaust?
Best regards
Thank you! The noctua fan at that timeline, on the cpu cooler, is set as an intake.
Glob3Tech thanks for the fast answer.
@@xxThemoritzxx You are welcome :)
Very cool, but unfortunately options for DDR4 VLP are very limited, and it doesn't seem like 16GB sticks exist.
Thank you. I know. :) I am trying now to see if the Asrock boards do indeed support ECC Rram and go from there since I have some ECC ram to play with. New video pending as we speak.
Great video! I’m planning to do a mini-itx build with the Black Ridge cooler using the Noctua 120mm intake method. I’ll be using the identical motherboard to what you have with a Ryzen 9 3900X without ever overclocking. Using mostly Adobe Premiere Pro & the odd PC sim gaming (F1 2018 & MotoGP 19) with a Gigabyte RTX 2080 mini. Is the VLP memory you posted a link to the fastest you could source out?
Thank you! Nice specs! At that moment, yes. I think crucial may do bigger kits but I couldn't find them. Kingston has VLP 32 gb 2666 kits but on ali express. Good luck with the build!
Was the Alpenfohn Black Ridge able to cool your Ryzen 9 3900X effectively?
@Glob3Tech, I have the same mobo and the V4.1 case with the USB-C front IO. How did you manage to hook up the front IO to the mobo? There doesn't seem to be a USB type-c connector on the mobo? Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Andy. Sure, of course. Well my V4.0 has the front type-C as well but it's only USB 3.2 Gen1. And it has this port. www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/9y7bul/fractal_design_define_r6_usb_30_header_cable_to/
But the V4.1 has the usb 3.2gen2 but the Key-A on the plug ? This on the left? (Mine's on the right)
images.app.goo.gl/LRSpoGqAnAoSAFgy9
If so, then yeah, our motherboard doesn't have that port :)
@@Glob3Tech thanks for your quick reply. So what do you think I can do?
@@AquaPixMedia My pleasure :)
Hopefully this adapter will work. Only thing I can I can foresee is if there will be enough room to plug your plug into this and then into the motherboard :)
amzn.to/38jxwJq
@@Glob3Tech you are right, there is not enough space...bummer! Can the USB 3.2 Gen1 cable and port be ordered somewhere?
@@AquaPixMedia Too bad :/ I think so but maybe give Dan an email on his website to give you the final answer since I don't know the part number for it. Good luck Andy :)
This helps so much. I’ve been trying to figure out what VLP DDR4 to get, there’s just so few choices. How well does the ram you listed overclock?
Hi Anthony. Thank you glad to be of help. I din't overclock them unfortunately, I was more focused ont he CPU cooling part :)
Very detailed and great work! Keep it up :)
Thank you so much 🤗
Did you remove the backplate on the bottom of your motherboard?
Thanks :)
Yes. I removed it mainly for extra airflow. Plus it's a pain to install the motherboard since I take my computer apart so many times for tests etc :)
@@Glob3Tech Thanks for this! :)
Have you noticed any warping or curvature on the motherboard, seen here:
www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/eonpp7/dont_use_the_ekl_black_ridge_on_a_am4_mainboard/
@@Glob3Tech The threads on the OEM backplate of the Asus B450-i can be tapped out gently, and can then be used in combo with the Black Ridge + AM4 CPU. I've just done this myself, to help prevent any motherboard curvature :)
@@henrialloyd Very nice! Thank you for the tips!
@@henrialloyd Yes, I remembered mine did the same :)
i have a asus z390-i will it fit in that? and can it be a problem to remove the heat sink and m2 will it be to hot?
Apperently no, unfortunatly.
hardforum.com/threads/dan-hslp-48-a-powerful-sub-50mm-heatsink.1925480/page-39#post-1043951811
M.2 should be fine even without the heatsink - I use my 970 2TB EVO on the back of the motherboard where it has no air and no problems at all.
For the case fan at the bottom, do you set it as exhaust or intake?
As an intake :)
VLP Vengeance ram do you mean? just checking before I order :D
VLP as in 19mm tall for the 120 mm fan
LP is the LPX Vengenace I think 32mm?for the 92 mm fan.
👍
@@Glob3Tech fab thanks so much i needed this vid :D
My pleasure and so glad to be of help 🤗👍
Is there really no issue in removing the m.2 heatstink from the mobo if you want to use that m.2 slot? I want to get the same mobo and cooler
As far as I am aware, no. The heatsink apperently helps with extra cooling for the M.2. But when you install it on the back of the mobo like most have it, there is no airflow and the m.2 are still fine like I had mine for a long time. So yeah all good :)
@@Glob3Tech Ah so it's better to install the m.2 on the back of the mobo? I didn't know that at all. Thanks. What If I want a second one in the future, can I place it on the front without issue?
I could get the Gigabyte Aorus b450 | PRO WIFI as well. It's cheaper (about 30 euros) than the Asus one. hmmm
@@Zakariat89 Yeah my m.2 97o evo 2tb never had any throttling issues. I had in the back for months, I keep it htere so I can use the front one as a quick acces when I test pther m.2s. Just so you know that if you use the m.2 nvme on the back, the 16x from the gpu goes to 8x - at least on this asus b450i.
So yes you can populate both and just put a fan on the bottom of the case if you get the A4 to help a bit.
@@Zakariat89 Sure, as long you know that the black ridge has no compatibility issues with this motherboard.
Do you use the Platinum or Gold SF600?
Thanks :)
I read good things about the Fractal Design Node Ion SFX 650
10 year warranty
120mm fan (quieter than Corsair SF600)
Fits the Dan A4 case
@@henrialloyd I use the first gen, the Gold, have it since new, all good :)
Oh wow yeah amazing specs!
will this cooler go on ASUS ROG Strix B550-I Gaming AMD AM4 ?
Yeah. Same thing, we need to remove the M.2 heatsink cover.
www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/ibsgrk/strix_b550iblack_ridge_it_fits/
How is this with an i9 9900k ??
Don't think it will cope - the chip is way too hot on stock form.
great vid, lots of help to those who are drifting back and forth while planning to move to sff, like me. interesting question though: at 4:27 it looks like you have plenty of extra room above the ram heatsink, I would say a good 2-3mm. according to the specs, the vulcanz is 32mm. I have been trying to gain info if hyperx fury modules would fit (34,1mm). theoretically they wouldn't, but from your angle it seems that they could. it would be nice to have a match for the vulcanz and corsair lpx ram combo. can you check this issue maybe?
many thanks for the useful vid!
Thank you so much Abel for the kind words and hope you will take the SFF route as well 😇🤗 Regarding your question, sure I will try to measure the remaining gap and get back to you.
All the best,
Alex
@@Glob3Tech thanks Alex, much appreciated:) I think I will get there, more and more sff cases emerge lately, I will have to convert at this rate:))
@@radioman987 Oh yes, I remember myself when the M1 came out, then the A4 etc must have ...them 😁
@@radioman987 Will tell you tomorrow the measurements :)
@@Glob3Tech great, I really am curious! : ) fingers crossed, haha
Not sure why, but for the the black ridge with Noctua Fan was performing a lot worse than the noctua L9a., It was 10C hotter and louder, switched back to the L9a with the Noctua Fan Shroud and it is silent and cool again. Really wanted to love the black ridge, but the noctua solution was the way to go for me.
Hi Martin. I see. What orientation did you used it in?
Thank you !
What is your psu doing :D
Dancing :d
this is awesome
Thank you! 🤘
good work
Thank you!
Can it cool ryzen9 3900
Maybe if you control the CPU voltage. I want to get the 3900x myself to test it out but need to find a good deal on it.
Thanks! Was looking exactly for this. I even have the same motherboard lol. It seems upgrading from the noctua l9a is not really worth it unless you can use the Noctua 120mm, but vlp ram seems to generally suck, even the good ones seem to have rather low frequencies and timings which is essential for ryzen.
I was hoping this could cool a 3800x but now it seems there's not a good chance of that, would probably be fine with a 3700x tho.
Thanks for the great work, I know how annoying it is to keep taking apart the dan-a4.
BTW I also got the corsair sleeved cables but imho they are not really better than the std ones that came with the psu, since they are thicker and impossible to actually fit correctly in a way that would be pleasing to the eye. So it seems to me it's either custom cables or nothing.
Thank you so much Babao! Yes, currently I switched to the new all black L9i and used the L9a brackets so at least my OCD is happy :)
I know, I want the 3700x myself and hopefully that new eco mode for 3rd gen Ryzen might make the 3700x from 65w tdp to into a 45w one so I can use still the L9i. I don't that much CPU power really than my 1700 but we will see.
Oh yes, custom cables or nothing like you said. They are a must especially if you want the AIO in there.
Thank you for the comment and good luck with your rig!
All the best, Alex
The blackridge sounds awful compared to L9a even with the same fan. Probably had to do something with turbulence inside there.
Yes, I am thinking the same regarding the higher noise in the BR.
Thanks for your nice video. I like your analysis on the Dan A4 components.
My plan is also to go for a Black Ridge with a 120mm fan. I‘m considering this VLP RAM:
www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR26N19S8L_8.pdf
I also watched your video about the ASUS B550-I. I‘d like to have the same mobo.
However, it seems the RAM is not supported by the B550-I,
www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B550-I-GAMING/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/
where as the B550-F does support it.
www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B550-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/
The B550-I only supports the following non VLP RAM:
www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR26N19S8_8.pdf
I don‘t understand that for two reasons:
1) the motherboards are more or less the same, differ only in size and IO.
2) the RAM are also more or less the same, only differs in their PCB size according to the spec sheets.
Do you have an idea why the VLP RAM is not listed on the -I but on the -F mobo as supported?
Thanks in advance for your answer!
Hi Matthias. Thank you very much! 🤗
I would say 99% your desired RAM kit (from the first link) will work on any motherboard as long as they are not ECC (which they aren't, so all good). The one I had for this video also wasn't listed in the official QVL list at that time and they worked perfectly. Usually vendors can't fully list every possible kit out there hence why we will find weird discrepancies like you listed above.
Good luck and please let me know how it turns out. ✌
>designing a cooler that will visually cower the ugly and disgusting MOBO ports
black ridge creator: eww~🤮
>designing a cooler that will visually cower the RAM or better yet... will even make installation of the beautiful RGB trident RAM *impossible* ?!
black ridge creator: yaaaaaay!~🤩
🤣
I am running hot temps. Did you use the backplate that came with the motherboard for installing the black ridge? Got CPU temps at 85 degrees during gaming
No motherboard I/O shield to facilitate extra airflow. Plus it makes the instalation of the motherboard a bit easier.
What's your CPU may I aak