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Durnford's Cavalry Arrive After Escaping Isandlwana | Zulu | HD

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  • @Official-Zulu
    @Official-Zulu  ปีที่แล้ว +10

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  • @arkwill14
    @arkwill14 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    That long single sweeping camera shot over all the soldiers as they watch the cavalry leave which starts at 2:30 is just a masterful shot. It shows each of the men contemplating the growing hopelessness of their situation and in that moment how each man is alone with his thoughts and probably wondering if, or how, they can individually save themselves. Then, recognizing the stress "the lads" are experiencing, it's Color Sergeant Bourne who snaps them out of it. Just brilliant! You don't see filmmaking like this anymore.

    • @Smog104
      @Smog104 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Absolutely agree , expertly captured the seemingly impossible position they were in and no way to get out of . Prisoners of their fate.

    • @gommechops
      @gommechops 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I couldn't agree more. Even the sound effects supporting that shot, the cry of the eagle, lonely, brave and mournful. It struck me like a photo of the era, like a celebration of the bravery of those lads, a tribute and remembrance of them, very respectfully done. Beautiful beautiful piece of cinema. How young so many are too...

  • @davidastle9472
    @davidastle9472 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Allright then. Nobody told ya to stop workin.

    • @edmundriddle3847
      @edmundriddle3847 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The Zulus thought they had it in the bag…..then The Colour Sergeant turned up 😎

  • @1FokkerAce
    @1FokkerAce ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The look on the soldier’s face at 2:35 and that “Well, that figures” smirk is SO good and so true to being in the military.

  • @warlaker
    @warlaker ปีที่แล้ว +74

    "When you take command, ol boy, you're on your own" (You have to speak for us!) The burden of command!

    • @craigfelter
      @craigfelter ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's exactly how it is. An officer can't piss in his pants in front his men either. If he thought they needed the cavalry or not, you need to keep that to yourself.
      I know, just a movie. Maybe there's an officer cadet reading this.

  • @Scotty-P
    @Scotty-P ปีที่แล้ว +82

    "If they're gonna die, they'll die on their own farms", that's an intense line.

    • @Notaghost603
      @Notaghost603 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Especially in 2022

    • @tekay44
      @tekay44 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      they had undefended family, i would rather fight for my family over the army any day.

    • @Scotty-P
      @Scotty-P ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tekay44 Yes, I appreciate their position there. That's why I say it's such an intense line. Knowing what they may be facing.

    • @danielscrimgeour8812
      @danielscrimgeour8812 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tekay44 fighting with the army would have more chance of saving your family than fighting 1by1 on farms

    • @seanford2358
      @seanford2358 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except for the fact that in real life the troopers were coloured Basutos, NOT white farmers…and they did actually stay long enough to fire a few volleys into the approaching Zulu prior to leaving the field.

  • @timburr4453
    @timburr4453 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Loved Nigel Green in his role. Sad to see he died young in 1972

  • @lyndoncmp5751
    @lyndoncmp5751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    These were among the first combatants to flee Isandlwana, when the battle was still in the balance. They got out before the road from Isandlwana to Rorkes Drift was cut off by the Zulus. It wasn't Stevenson. It was Henderson and his black Basuto Troop of Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent. Henderson and the Basutos stayed until the first skirmish firing at Rorkes Drift, but Henderson soon lost control of his men and they bolted. Henderson stayed a while longer but after more skirmishes he decided to leave Rorkes Drift and ride towards the safety of Helpmekaar.

    • @zsedcftglkjh
      @zsedcftglkjh ปีที่แล้ว

      Native troops were unreliable at best.

    • @bigfoot163
      @bigfoot163 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Thank you for those battle factoids good sir

    • @WI1987
      @WI1987 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There's also some speculation that Andendorff left relatively early in the battle at Isandlwana as well.

    • @davecroft8220
      @davecroft8220 ปีที่แล้ว

      😢😢😮

    • @slome815
      @slome815 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@WI1987 And much evidence he didn't.

  • @kevinkilduff2064
    @kevinkilduff2064 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Among the best war movies ever made!

  • @dragonstalk86
    @dragonstalk86 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    stopping work when nobody told you to, now that's soldiering!

  • @patrickkealy4387
    @patrickkealy4387 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I love how they made a 5'3" color sergeant in real life into this 6'4" person just for the sake of making him appear bigger than life for the movie.

    • @tekay44
      @tekay44 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      he was also only 23, they called him the kid. some very good interviews with him later in life. all those guys were heroes in the UK.

    • @BradBrassman
      @BradBrassman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tekay44 ...and was said to have been awarded the V.C. which he refused in favour of the D.C.M as it carried a better annuity.

  • @CB-fz3li
    @CB-fz3li ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The colours just pop in this film.

    • @bigbub5219
      @bigbub5219 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes the black against the red

  • @thomasmain5986
    @thomasmain5986 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just as well Durnford's troop left, when the singing started, the lack of Baritones would have unbalanced the choir.☺

  • @GeorgeP1066
    @GeorgeP1066 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    What actually happened was a column of cavalry arrived fleeing Islandhlwana and stayed briefly but had to leave because they didn't have any ammunition for their carbines (which were different to the rifles used by the infantry). A separate troop of native soldiers were also there but deserted before the start of the battle, along with their white officers.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They were all black natives apart from the white officer Henderson. This was the Basutu Troop of the Natal Native Mounted Contingent.

    • @wargey3431
      @wargey3431 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lyndoncmp5751 I thought the Basutos stayed with Durnford they were his best troops and had fought alongside him before

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@wargey3431
      No the Basutos left pretty early, as soon as Durnford withdrew from the donga. The Edendale Troop stayed a bit longer and helped to cover the fleeing fugitives along Fugitives Trail but they also left.
      Only 27 of the 260 personnel in the Natal Native Mounted Contingent died at Isandlwana, including one officer (hit by friendly fire from the cannons). They had by far the highest survival rate. None of the five Troops of fifty men stayed with Durnford at the end.

    • @wargey3431
      @wargey3431 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lyndoncmp5751 yes apparently just before the Zulus surrounded the camp Durnford dismissed the mounted troops under his command I thought at least NMP and some Carbiners were found with him as was the Honourable Lt Vereker and Lt Gibson of the NNC
      Durnford had dismissed the horse and decided that he must stay and had to know at that point the battle was lost

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wargey3431
      Well Durnford wasn't even with the other 3 Troops under Raw, Roberts and Vause.... numbers 1, 2 and 3 Troops. The so called Zikhali Horse. They were either up on the escarpment or were escorting in the baggage wagons. They never linked up with Durnford again. Durnford rode out on the plain with the Edendale Troop and the Basuto Troop then fell back to the donga. The two troops defended the donga until their ammo ran out and had to withdraw. The Basuto Troop under Henderson rode straight to Rorkes Drift along the road before it was cut by the Zulus and didnt defend at Isandlwana, while at least the Edendale Troop helped to cover the retreat of the fugitives.
      I don't believe any of the NNMC stayed with Durnford at his last stand in the camp but yes definitely some Natal Mounted Police, Natal Carbineers and some redcoats did.

  • @thesnoopmeistersnoops5167
    @thesnoopmeistersnoops5167 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Interesting and overlooked character development of Bromhead. He was miffed at being outranked early on, but by the end he respected Chard.

    • @graham2014
      @graham2014 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not to be argumentative, but how exactly is that overlooked? That character development is essentially a central tenant of the plot.

    • @trigger399
      @trigger399 ปีที่แล้ว

      He wasn't miffed in real life, Chard was put in charge by the Commanding Officer of the post, Major Spalding, as he had been a Lieutenant for three years longer than Bromhead.

  • @tekay44
    @tekay44 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    the colour Sgt. was 23 yrs old in this fight. they called him the kid. quite the character. there are some great interviews with him later in life.

  • @mattmatt2096
    @mattmatt2096 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    As always it took an NCO to get back to business... "no one told you to stop working."

    • @tekay44
      @tekay44 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      he was 23 years old. How effing tough was he, lol. you can read his interviews on the battle online, he was quite the guy.

  • @keithsymons5708
    @keithsymons5708 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Best action film ever made brilliant

  • @williamvorkosigan5151
    @williamvorkosigan5151 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Not Durnford. Durnford died at The Saddle, at Isandlwana. He held the Zulu left flank off until he ran out of ammunition. He did send men back to the camp to get ammunition but they could not find their ammunition supply. After running out of ammunition, he led his men back to towards the camp. The Zulu Right flank had by now come around Isandawana. His Troopers were native, not white men. His move from the British right flank made the position untenable for the entire formation which did it's best to collapse back to the camp. If Durnford had ammunition and continued to hold another 15 minutes the wavering Zulu might have broken. Alternatively, if they did hold, the Zulu Right flank had an unopposed access to the camp and the British rear. Isandlwana was lost the second Durnford left camp, but he was not to know this.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Isandlwana was lost the second Durnford left camp, but he was not to know this"
      Indeed. If only he stayed at the camp and acted on the defensive.
      Even though he was absolutely holding the Zulu left horn at bay for a long time, the Zulus were starting to outflank him in a wide arc to his right, the south. So even if he still had ammo the Zulus would still have been able to outflank him there, out of rifle range. His position was too extended. He even made such a comment at the end.👍

    • @williamvorkosigan5151
      @williamvorkosigan5151 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lyndoncmp5751 Counter factuals are all speculative to some degree or other. While being flanked regardless, it was from some way away. He was protecting the right flank of the line. Had he held for 15 mins more, the Zulu Main Effort may have been called off. Zulu said that they had started to waiver. Had the main body withdrawn, this would have left the Zulu right and left wing unsupported and their positions in turn would have become untenable. Counterfactuals are always interesting but it just played out the way it did. I can't really hold any of them to blame.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      William,
      Even Durnford said at the end his position was too extended so he accepted he made a grave error. The Zulus had aready began a wide flanking arc to his south so he couldn't have remained there much longer, even with ammo.
      Durnford should have retreated to camp immediately and defended there. The camp likely would have held out had he done so. He seemed to have an aversion to being at the camp for some strange reason. Didn't want to remain there, didn't want to defend there.

    • @williamvorkosigan5151
      @williamvorkosigan5151 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lyndoncmp5751 Ah, now there I must disagree with you. The Bn were already extended as far as their line would go when he got there. Had he sailed past the position he took up and headed straight for camp, or even closed with the Right Flank of the Bn, to form a stop, the flanking would have been just that much faster. The position he did take was as good as the ground would allow given what had already transpired. Remember he had fought a fight and flight rear guard action for quite a long way before he arrived at his eventual firm defensive position. The Bn was already committed before he arrived.

    • @williamvorkosigan5151
      @williamvorkosigan5151 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lyndoncmp5751 Sorry, were are you getting this After Action Report from Durnford? Durnford died at the Saddle. Am I wrong?

  • @michaelriddick7116
    @michaelriddick7116 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Colour Sergent Bourne brought them all back to their immediate tasks. Any longer and they might have had time or energy to waste on grief or despair. He was a good leader.

  • @davidwell686
    @davidwell686 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was a really great movie.

  • @Jupiter.141
    @Jupiter.141 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    blessing in disguise that those men didn't joined them. They may have extra guns firing but that also means extra ammunition rations. Their regiment only had 34 boxes of ammo

    • @Crackshotsteph
      @Crackshotsteph ปีที่แล้ว

      How much rounds do they hold the boxes?

    • @ZAR-2225
      @ZAR-2225 ปีที่แล้ว

      Part of the reasons for the victory was the excessive amounts of ammunition they had at Rorkesdrift.

    • @hashiba4840
      @hashiba4840 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZAR-2225 nope, their garrison did not hold much ammo and that's intended because the British are very strict when it comes to logistics approximately 20,000-25,000 rounds were disposed only 900 remains after the battle that may look too excessive but given the attackers strength it wasn't enough. That small cavalry joining them would literally drain more ammo if that happened, a lot of experts agreed they wouldn't last 12 hours and the battle would result in a more brutal hand to hand that would take the British out of the advantage.

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hashiba4840 But Rorkes Drift was also to be used as a resupply point (depot?) and presumably also held the materiel to resupply Chelmsford's column. Would that not have included ammunition.
      The more interesting question to my mind is how did the defenders manage to fire off the number of rounds that they did. Compressed black powder is actually a mixture not a compound (Chemistry 1.01). It is filthy stuff and leaves a sticky gummy rssidue. Reconstructive archaeology demonstrated that the Martini falling block action becomes progressively stiffer to operate, and jams up totally at about 20 rounds fired. O. K. in action in a desperate situation no doubt great force was applied to the lever, possibly even a boot, but even that had limits (peeing in the action helped, but a possible supply problem there too, I'd have lost mine when the Impis came into view). A possible explanation is that the actual Zulu assaults were more sporadic than the film implies and that there was time to do a bit of cleaning.
      The jamming problem was well known, Kipling mentions it. The levers on later models of Martini were stretched to improve leverage, and his Soldiers Three refer to a long lever rifle.

    • @ZAR-2225
      @ZAR-2225 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hashiba4840 remember just over 100 soldiers at Rorkesdrift. That meant there were somewhere around 250 rounds per soldier at the beginning of the battle.
      The cavalry had different caliber firearms and little ammunition left from their escape from Isandlwana, and for them to still escape from Rorkesdrift they would need what ammunition they had left.

  • @JTB198819962006
    @JTB198819962006 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I bet Durnford got the shock of his life when discovering that Rorke’s Drift was a British victory.

    • @QuincyVollstandig
      @QuincyVollstandig ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Well he died at isandlwana during the same day rorke’s drift was under attack

    • @JTB198819962006
      @JTB198819962006 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@QuincyVollstandig sorry I got confused. I meant the man that led those particular horsemen who refused to risk his life and his men against a large force.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Henderson his name was in real life. Not sure what happened to him after.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Stanly Stud
      I can't tell if you are joking or not 😂

    • @kevinbergin9971
      @kevinbergin9971 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lyndoncmp5751 He's a great kidder.

  • @Crackshotsteph
    @Crackshotsteph ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wonder how did Bromhead felt when he got word from one of the survivors that his entire Regiment was wiped out?

    • @tomcolley9008
      @tomcolley9008 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In reality he was deaf as a post, so probably didn't hear the report.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It wasn't though. It was one battalion that was lost. The 1st Battalion 24th Foot. The other battalion, 2nd Battalion, was still intact with Chelmsford, except for G Company which was left behind at Isandlwana.

  • @KingBobaFett434
    @KingBobaFett434 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It would have been nice if these men stayed and helped them.

    • @AlejandroGermanRodriguez
      @AlejandroGermanRodriguez ปีที่แล้ว +8

      With enough ammo They may at least have shot at the rear and flank of zulus.

    • @The_OneManCrowd
      @The_OneManCrowd ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@AlejandroGermanRodriguez Yeah they were desperately low on their caliber of ammo, which was different than the British Martini-Henry. I would have dipped as well to save my men who trusted me with their lives.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Doe
      They had no ammo because Durnford didnt make sure where his own ammo wagon was at Isandlwana. He rode off chasing after Zulus before his ammo wagon arrived and so when his men of the Natal Native Mounted Contingent at Isandlwana ran out of ammo, they couldn't even find their own ammo wagon to replenish. A major blunder by Durnford.

    • @matthewslorenzo4802
      @matthewslorenzo4802 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wtf

    • @KingBobaFett434
      @KingBobaFett434 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@matthewslorenzo4802 what’s your problem jerk?

  • @johncotton5561
    @johncotton5561 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always wondered how Stevenson knew that there where precisely 4000 Zulus coming this way.

  • @cameronnewton7053
    @cameronnewton7053 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This should be titled:
    The cavalry arrives!
    and then promptly leaves!

    • @greggweber9967
      @greggweber9967 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Calvary paused.

    • @thedwightguy
      @thedwightguy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@greggweber9967 and then they "bailed"....

  • @Zionic2013
    @Zionic2013 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this movie is basically zulu dawn part 2

    • @rupertsmith5815
      @rupertsmith5815 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Zionic2013 Zulu dawn is a prequel to this as it was made 15 years later

  • @kevinbergin9971
    @kevinbergin9971 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "If they're gonna die, they'll die on their own farms." Kinda reminds you what the police did ,in New Orleans, during Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

  • @markwaldron8954
    @markwaldron8954 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Watching this I can't help but wonder whether JRR Tolkien took Rorke's Drift as a loose inspiration for the batter at Helm's Deep. Though the "relief" column here aren't exactly Elrond's elf reinforcements.

    • @KesselRunner606
      @KesselRunner606 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The Elf reinforcements at Helm's Deep aren't in the book. That was added into the movie. But funnily enough, Peter Jackson sites this scene in Zulu as part of the inspiration for that addition. The reinforcements come, giving hope, only this time they stay.

  • @frankmcdonnell7377
    @frankmcdonnell7377 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Doubt they were Durnford's unit, think they all died. The record does show Boer's who'd been at Isandlwana riding through with news before the native force broke and ran (understandably), but there was a variety of units at Isandlwana and the Zulus targeted those wearing the red tunic.

    • @whiteknightcat
      @whiteknightcat ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, they did not all die. Lt Henderson and about 100 native troopers who were part of Durnford's force arrived at the station at 4:00 PM. Chard asked them to observe the Zulu advance and slow it down if possible. They then rode off to the south behind Shiyane Mountain. About 15 minutes later they engaged the advance units of the Zulu force.
      Exhausted and almost out of ammunition, they then rode back to the station and from there continued on away to safety. The native levies at Rorke's Drift followed suit, including their white overseers. Regiment troops then opened fire on them, killing a Cpl Anderson who became the first casualty of the battle, shot by his own side.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These were among the first combatants to flee Isandlwana, when the battle was still in the balance. They got out before the road from Isandlwana to Rorkes Drift was cut off by the Zulus. Henderson and his black Basuto Troop of Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent.
      Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent had by far the highest escape and survival ratio out of all of the units engaged at Isandlwana. Nearly a 90% survival rate. Out of 6 officers and 257 men, only 1 officer and 27 men died. They fled en masse after the right flank collapsed, although the Edendale Troop did do some stellar work in trying to hold back the Zulus down Fugitives Trail.

  • @teencomment
    @teencomment 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This resolved a lot more violently in real life. The cavalry still left...but the British were so incensed at their cowardice that they outright shot at them.

  • @mog398
    @mog398 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice to see Michael Nesmith got a job in the British Army!

  • @hiddenfromhistory100
    @hiddenfromhistory100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only one problem - Durnford's cavalry was wiped out at the Battle of Isandlwana the day before, so what are they doing at Rourke's Drift?

  • @martinsalas5649
    @martinsalas5649 ปีที่แล้ว

    Once in Command you stand alone .. Couldn't get one guy to stay...so When Travis at the Alamo drew the line for those people willing to stay and fight..Santa Anna ..to cross over .. everyone did..oh a commander is a lonely job ..The Alamo or Rork drift.😔

  • @cyclingnerddelux698
    @cyclingnerddelux698 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, that was a buzz kill for the boys.

  • @tekay44
    @tekay44 ปีที่แล้ว

    they didn't need them, they did quite alright on their own. lol. they gave the Zulus a serious ass kicking.

  • @erwcik3760
    @erwcik3760 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So funny Bromhead

  • @chrisholland7367
    @chrisholland7367 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    If they were raised locally then they were Boers. These men would probably have ended up fighting the British during the Anglo Boer War.

    • @The_OneManCrowd
      @The_OneManCrowd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Their fathers, grandfather's and Cousins did in the first and second Boer Wars. No love for the British Empire, that's for sure.

    • @t.wcharles2171
      @t.wcharles2171 ปีที่แล้ว

      They would've been old men by 1890.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only the Troop leaders were white. The men were black. Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent. Five Troops numbering just over 260 men, including officers, in total. They had a near 90% survival rate at Isandlwana.

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lyndoncmp5751 Because they were mounted?

    • @wargey3431
      @wargey3431 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheArgieH they ran low on ammunition and couldn’t find their wagons so ran off pretty much

  • @Jeffybonbon
    @Jeffybonbon ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I read an account of this and from what i understand They left because they had no Ammunition different caliber to the British

    • @WI1987
      @WI1987 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Correct, the Natal (and Cape) colonial volunteer units were mainly issued the Snider rifle or carbine while "Imperial" unit were issued the Martini-Henry rifle.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Durnford didnt make sure where his own ammo wagon was at Isandlwana. He rode off chasing after Zulus before the ammo wagon arrived and so when his men at Isandlwana ran out of ammo, they couldn't even find their own ammo wagon to replenish. A major blunder by Durnford.

  • @OroborusFMA
    @OroborusFMA ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They really beat that theme song into the ground. I mean really REALLY beat it into the ground.

    • @garymussell6543
      @garymussell6543 ปีที่แล้ว

      They also beat the Last of the Mohicans theme into the ground. You would think the composure could have written at least one secondary theme?

  • @carlhicksjr8401
    @carlhicksjr8401 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love movies like this, where the troops are wearing their equipment and every single veteran watching can tell that all those pouches are empty AF... 😁
    Don't get me wrong here. I'm fully aware that all the belts and pouches are part of the duty uniform and appearing before an officer without them on properly constituted 'out of uniform on duty' and the troop could be charged under the Queen's Regulations.
    But the US Army veteran in me still can't help but notice that nobody is carrying packets of .577 rolled brass ammo [each individual round of which is nearly 2 oz.] in those pouches. Sixty rounds of those freaking things would put quite the strain on those shoulder straps.

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks, it's a thought. Being picky I have nit to pick. Well..... the 577 cartridge was for the Snider rifle, the British Army's first practical breech loader (Ferguson's breechloader had a few snags) and an anologue of the US trapdoor Springfield. There were Sniders still in Africa at the time, but the line regiments would have had the Martini for which the cartridge was necked down to 0.45 as shown in the film. That said, your point is well made.
      The Snider in 0.577 was built from the original Enfield rifle (P53?) with a conversion to breech loading. I read somewhere how on conversion to Martinis some veterans had to break the habit of feeling for the clip to the plug block and turning the rifle over to drop the empty case. The Martini was issued to second line troops and artillerymen right up to WWI, but went through several iterations. The calibre was dropped to 303 and used the same cartridge and rifling system as the Lee Metford to give the Martini Metford. When the British Army switched to smokeless the rifling changed again to the Enfield rifling of the day to handle the hotter burning powder, hence the Martini Enfield.
      There were a selection of rifles used in the film, Martinis to attract the audience attention, but there some bolt action rifles in the line elsewhere.
      It always amuses me how works of fiction usually overlook the weight of the ammunition. It was really brought home to me reading about the introduction of the Beaufighter nightfighter. That had a radar set, 6 x mgs in the wings and 4 x 20 mm cannon in the belly. It was the unenviable job of the observer to leave his cosy cockpit (and parachute) and in the pitch dark crawl down into the belly to switch empty drums feeding the cannon for new ones. Full ones weighed at least 60 lbs each and a dropped drum was likely to go through the side, taking control lines with it. That was NOT FICTION.
      The first time I saw Zulu I wondered if Custer would have been better off at "Greasy Grass" if his troops had Martinis (it also came as a carbine, there's some in the film) rather than Trapdoor Springfields. All things considered, probably not.

    • @martinguerra5152
      @martinguerra5152 ปีที่แล้ว

      us army experience counts for shit

    • @Xenophon1
      @Xenophon1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My M16 ammo pouches held a can of soda each, and kept them looking squared away. ;)

    • @carlhicksjr8401
      @carlhicksjr8401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Xenophon1 😁 And my First Aid pouch held a pack Newports smokes [to sell at a buck apiece to nic-fiends] and each field jacket pocket [this was before GoreTex] held two RitterSport candy bars

  • @RacerX1971
    @RacerX1971 ปีที่แล้ว

    "We need you, Damm you" lol

    • @warlaker
      @warlaker ปีที่แล้ว

      Would've been really funny if that were John Cleese

  • @larryconnerjr1835
    @larryconnerjr1835 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zulu would have been a much better movie if they would have shown some aspect of the earlier defeat then show this small outpost winning an improbable victory

  • @jaystrickland4151
    @jaystrickland4151 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really hate this portrayal they had a hard fight in Isandlwana and only fled after exhausting their ammo while skirmishing for Rorke's Drift and buying them extra time to fortify.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      And they were all black troops except for Henderson (not Stevenson). This was the Basutu Troop of Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent. 👍

  • @TheGoofyAhh142
    @TheGoofyAhh142 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think those are the Boers.

    • @The_OneManCrowd
      @The_OneManCrowd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes they fought multiple wars against the South African tribes, then two wars against the British. They just wanted to be left alone to farm the land.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's movie licence.
      In reality only the Troop leaders were white. The men were black. Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent. Five Troops numbering just over 260 men, including officers, in total.

  • @kincaidwolf5184
    @kincaidwolf5184 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Remember, not a single person without a horse survived the massacre

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well a lot of NNC on foot did, as did some privates on foot I think like the rocket battery survivors.

  • @Tiger74147
    @Tiger74147 ปีที่แล้ว

    That colour sergeant. A commander would be lucky to have someone that stalwart as a company NCO.

    • @warlaker
      @warlaker ปีที่แล้ว

      "A good top sergeant is worth his weight in gold. I know many a CO who had his ass saved by a clever top sergeant" (George C Scott, "Taps")

    • @Tiger74147
      @Tiger74147 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@warlaker What do you mean by top sergeant? Company level?

  • @USSResolute
    @USSResolute ปีที่แล้ว

    Mislabeled. "Durnfords Cavalry Depart".

  • @dongilleo9743
    @dongilleo9743 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've wonder why the Zulus would be afraid of Cavalry. My guess would be that men on horseback would have a mobility advantage against the Zulus on foot. Cavalry could stay just out of range of the Zulus, fire off a volley or two at them, then ride away to maintain their distance and avoid getting surrounded. Good cavalry could keep that up all day long while they had ammunition; just picking off Zulus and riding away.

    • @whiteknightcat
      @whiteknightcat ปีที่แล้ว

      Good points. The Zulu continued to fight in their traditional manner and had no inclination to even try to create mounted units of their own. Once the Battle of Isandlwana was concluded, the Zulus took all the cattle they could find as these were of great value to them. Sadly, though, having no use for horses and probably wanting to deny their future use to the British, they killed all those they found still tethered at the camp.

    • @dongilleo9743
      @dongilleo9743 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whiteknightcat Interesting. The Zulus probably had no inclination to create cavalry, because they had no historical experience with horses, there being no horses native to their area. Your comment reminded me of what Jared Diamond wrote in his "Guns, Germs, and Steel" about the advantages European society had over less developed peoples. When the Spanish Conquistadors came to the new World, they had horses; something that the native population had never seen. The Spanish had been breeding and training war horses, and practicing how to use them, for hundreds of years. The native tribes in the Americas had no counter to Spanish Conquistadors on horses, because they had no horses themselves. The Spaniards on horseback then only had swords and primitive firearms. Several hundred years later, the British had long range, breech-loading rifles, making them even more deadly.

    • @whiteknightcat
      @whiteknightcat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dongilleo9743 I recall reading many years ago that the native Americans who first beheld mounted Spanish soldiers at first thought them to be some monstrous hybrid of man and beast.

    • @tedparkinson2033
      @tedparkinson2033 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dongilleo9743 Not to mention the logistical challenges of trying to raise such a unit from scratch. Even if they had been given horses, riding gear and weapons to best use their mounted force, it'd be like giving the Sentinel Islanders an M4 Sherman. It's simply that they lacked the knowledge and infrastructure to raise such a unit. Couple that with the belief in what worked last time, and many times before then, and you end up with quite a painful mix.
      Kind of ironic that the Zulu victory that day was mostly due to sheer incompetence of British command than any great Zulu merit.

    • @johnkidd1226
      @johnkidd1226 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zulus attack formation was the head and encircling horns of the buffalo. They were vulnerable to any encircling movement or attack from the rear that the cavalry could do.

  • @actioncom2748
    @actioncom2748 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well ain't that a kick in the teeth.

  • @miked6335
    @miked6335 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know there must be an explanation for it; how come some guys have to work in their uniforms and others get to wear work outfits?

  • @jimcrawford5039
    @jimcrawford5039 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Durnford was killed at Isandlwana!

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes but it was still Durnford's Natal Native Mounted Contingent however.

  • @diamondyaem6509
    @diamondyaem6509 ปีที่แล้ว

    1879
    🇬🇧
    🇿🇦

  • @harmgregory4560
    @harmgregory4560 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nobody ASKS why the British were in South Africa to begin with, of course...! 😐

  • @samxyx
    @samxyx ปีที่แล้ว

    Guessing the wouldn't be able to outrun the Zulu if they retreated?

    • @Official-Zulu
      @Official-Zulu  ปีที่แล้ว

      There were around 50 sick and wounded at Rorke's Drift. You couldn't have moved them all safely and most were bed ridden. This would have been one of the reasons they decided to stay.

  • @angloaust1575
    @angloaust1575 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clean shaven lot no beards
    Extras were south african infantry
    5th battalion

  • @CmoreChap
    @CmoreChap ปีที่แล้ว

    60fps conversion here looks weird, uncanny valley, just unnecessary really.

  • @gcbisset
    @gcbisset ปีที่แล้ว

    not Durnfords sikalis. Some lesser white militia cav

  • @podsmpsg1
    @podsmpsg1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are the Calvary Boers?.

    • @Official-Zulu
      @Official-Zulu  ปีที่แล้ว

      In the movie they are portrayed as Boers, however in reality they would have been a mix of Durnfords Basutos and Natal Carabineers as shown in 'Zulu Dawn' :)

    • @podsmpsg1
      @podsmpsg1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Official-Zulu thanks.

  • @bernarddonat2078
    @bernarddonat2078 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    En français

  • @MrJobsworth1979
    @MrJobsworth1979 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd be exactly the same ,see ya later lol

  • @geoffreycarson2311
    @geoffreycarson2311 ปีที่แล้ว

    BLOODY Hell I DONT REMEMBER This BIT !!! g

  • @centurionstrategic578
    @centurionstrategic578 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great quality on this video! This movie stuck with me for a long time. I was very impressed when it first came out.

    • @toothpick4649
      @toothpick4649 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wanted to fight for Queen and country after I saw this film as a teen. I did find my war alas it wasn't for Queen, and Country but Australia. I must have had rocks in my head. I survived it just.

  • @kevinbergin9971
    @kevinbergin9971 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not much of a morale booster I guess?

  • @andrewvelonis5940
    @andrewvelonis5940 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why'd they show up only just to leave?

    • @whiteknightcat
      @whiteknightcat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because the film left out a vital part here. Lt Henderson and about 100 native troopers who were part of Durnford's force arrived at the station at 4:00 PM. Chard asked them to observe the Zulu advance and slow it down if possible. They then rode off behind Shiyane Mountain. About 15 minutes later they engaged the advance units of the Zulu force.
      Exhausted and almost out of ammunition, they then rode back to the station, reported their engagement, and from there continued on away to safety. The native levies at the station followed suit, including their white overseers. Regiment troops then opened fire on them, killing a Cpl Anderson who became the first casualty of the battle, shot by his own side.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      They had to ride close to Rorkes Drift in order to reach safety further to the west.

  • @auerstadt06
    @auerstadt06 ปีที่แล้ว

    Motion smoothing. How wonderful. Not.

  • @familyplans3788
    @familyplans3788 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its such a British film isnt it!!
    Colour Seargant " Yes we may well get slaughtered but it wont be because i didnt do my duty back to work" Im paraphrasing but this film cracks me up

    • @tekay44
      @tekay44 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      there are some good interviews with the guys later in life. they were heroes in the UK and lived their lives as such. The sgt was 23 years old, it boggles the mind.

  • @stephenpeacock5302
    @stephenpeacock5302 ปีที่แล้ว

    South African whips

  • @ronaldshank7589
    @ronaldshank7589 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The "Cavalry"-Some friends they were! Now I know that this is a movie, but I hold these bunch of cowards and shirkers of their responsibilities in the highest contempt! Shame on them-All of them! They wouldn't stay, and provide support for the upcoming attack. Those Brave Soldiers stayed and fought the Zulus, and won that War on their own! It was an amazing sight to see! Wave after wave of Zulu attacks were thrown at these Gallant Soldiers, and yet the Zulus were driven back, time after time. Finally, the Zulus were defeated, and, in an uncommon show of respect to their victorious opponents, actually gave them a singing-style salute. Even the Zulus respected those Brave Fighting Men at the Fort. They knew true bravery, when they saw it!
    Meanwhile...the Cavalry Soldiers would know no such type of respect from the Zulu. They seemed to not have even one brave soul amongst them. They, in my opinion, were gutless!

    • @calidude1114
      @calidude1114 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They were not professional soldiers and had no obligation to stay, especially when it looked like suicide to stay.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว

      In reality they were black volunteers from the Natal Native Mounted Contingent. The Basutu Troop under Henderson. They hardly had any ammo left anyway.

    • @Nifter71
      @Nifter71 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope you're actually a kid... cos you really sound like one lol. 👶No man should have to die so that some teenager can bang on about how "brave" he was on youtube.
      Besides which, they're shown abandoning the state - in order to protect their families. This is what real men should be doing, rather than needlessly sacrificing themselves, and leaving their grieving families with nothing more than a stupid medal.

    • @michaelwilding1212
      @michaelwilding1212 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Think it was a draw. The different was the soldiers had the walls to help them. The 3rd battle which British won was never made into a film. If Hollywood had done it - John Wayne Wood have defeated ZULU'S on his own.

    • @matthewslorenzo4802
      @matthewslorenzo4802 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are a sick human being

  • @silverstar4289
    @silverstar4289 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just lacks the excitement of the 19th century US Cavalry arriving.

  • @nocturnalrecluse1216
    @nocturnalrecluse1216 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    In real life the British fired at the fleeing Boers.

    • @nigelsheppard625
      @nigelsheppard625 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Do you have a citation for that. I've never seen it away where. In reality these were native (black African) troops not Boers.

    • @The_OneManCrowd
      @The_OneManCrowd ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nigelsheppard625 He's correct. Some of the garrison troopers shot at the horsemen when they decided not to stay (not on orders, but out of frustration), and killed one of the Native Natal Horseman, an Irishman with the Boers if I remember correctly; the first casualty of the battle of Rourke's Drift actually.

    • @The_OneManCrowd
      @The_OneManCrowd ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nigelsheppard625 How about you look it up yourself? You know, with this thing called Google. We're not writing MLA papers here Mr. Psuedo-intellectual 🤣

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In reality the troops were black. Only the officers were white. This was the Basutu Troop of the Natal Native Mounted Contingent, commanded by Henderson.

    • @nocturnalrecluse1216
      @nocturnalrecluse1216 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nigelsheppard625 Google it.

  • @user-ub8wk1lk1k
    @user-ub8wk1lk1k ปีที่แล้ว

    Пулемет Гатлинга лучшии друг зулусов!!!

  • @BostonBruinsOWN
    @BostonBruinsOWN ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Did any of durnfords men surivive?

    • @Official-Zulu
      @Official-Zulu  ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Once they had got to Rorkes Drift they held up the Zulu for a while longer and gun fire could be heard in the distance from the defenders who were still scrambling to build the barricades, Durnfords men had been fighting all day and by this point were desperately low on ammunition before they eventually lost their nerve and withdrew.

    • @BostonBruinsOWN
      @BostonBruinsOWN ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Official-Zulu I know most of them probably died at islandwana thank you!!

    • @rossgeorge245
      @rossgeorge245 ปีที่แล้ว

      All of William Verekers who substituted Lt. Anderson detachment of the sikali horse died at isandlwana. Stephenson and his platoon from Durnfords horse were the very few cavalry that made it out alive. The zulus were terrified of cavalry but as Stephenson says and how we know about zulus we only just got through them. A certain commandeer Lonsdale actually went back to isandlwana after the massacre only to be fired upon by the zulus wearing the uniforms of the 1st 24th. Rorkes drift was the most gallant resistance I've seen ever. To think that it'll be 244 years since isandlwana and rorkes drift happened this coming January.

    • @cheva68
      @cheva68 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@rossgeorge245 Give or take a century.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent had by far the highest escape and survival ratio out of all of the units engaged at Isandlwana. Nearly a 90% survival rate. Out of 6 officers and 257 men, only 1 officer and 27 men died. They fled en masse after the right flank collapsed, although the Edendale Troop did do some stellar work in trying to hold back the Zulus down Fugitives Trail.