I think we must understand that WPL provides good RCs for beginners at a much lower price than others. That is where they score. Keep up the good work.
Exactly. I just got into the hobby again and this was a great platform to start. I already have mine in pieces and painting currently. It's upgradable, and didn't break the bank to buy two for my step sons as well.
@@LuckyStablesYT it's excellent. I did my first video on it already, I love it. I'm going to upload a follow up tomorrow. It even did a 68 degree incline which I also uploaded because I was blown away by it!
Been waiting for your review on this one Phil. I was excited about the new motor/transmission setup but disappointed when i heard it was a 260 motor. Would love to see a review on the MN128 jeep Rubicon RTR. Love your content!
There is so much choice if you want a decent mini crawler nowadays. Yes, you can start upgrading this truck but then you are investing quite a bit of money and other options start to make more sense.
Saludos Mr Tomley me encantan los autos a escala son lo mejor para los viejos como yo me traen muchos recuerdo de la niñez que aun estoy viviendo , muchas gracias mi Amigo feliz dia
@@PaulSpehar It's a complete change from the previous RTR, it's much more like the C34KM flat gearbox, it has similar offset output shafts that counter rotate and there's a new three link and panhard rod suspension design to accommodate the offset motor. There's a video that shows some detail on my channel.
The suspension is way to stiff, unles it is on flat ground there are on 2/3 tyres touching, no woder the traction was rubbish. Nice honest review. Thanks
Kool, I do like the variety of RC's that present and the difference between the stuff Kev does. May of heard of Mr. King Talbert I reckon...lol Top of the morning to you Mate. Troy 😎
Bought two of these last december, same colours. Had the option for both configurations out of the box with both(only WPL C54, no "dash 1" model).. Love these little C54's. Even had them towing a 1/10 trailer with a towbar made out of meccano. Considering they apparently have a type 360 motor, they're quite underpowered when compared to the MN99s with its 120 motor. BTW, the full kit is what the more serious Australian version of the 80 series looked like!
I've got one on order too Phil,though I've already got plans for upgrading it. I'm going to be dropping a spare V3 board into this,along with a spare set of soft kit tyres.
I gave up on wpl a long time ago. My c24-1 broke if you looked at it the wrong way. I'd rather get the fms or hobby plus land cruiser. Thanks for the review 👍👍
Thanks for the review, as its always nice to see some cheaper alternatives to the TRX4m, as that way you can get some cheap extra cars for friends to use that you can fix or replace cheaply if/when they break them :-) I would also love to see the new motor and gear box tested with some other ESC and electronics options, as it could just be the included basic electronics just can't really handle the extra load of the bigger motor.
I appreciate your evaluation of the little crawler. It appears as you said the appearance is great, but the performance was lacking. I was surprised that the tires were so bad.
the 1/16 scale stuff is gaining aftermarket now, still a good entry point to that scale especially considering if you want a Hilux or LC hard body you can't get a much better start.
The hard compound tires are good for rtr for the durability but traction is terrible the soft ones pull well but you do then put more strain on the driveline, ive kept the hard ones on my B16 as ive snapped a few drive shafts until i went to metal ones now the low range in my 2 speed box is starting to play up skipping teeth but ive got the V3 radio gear with the sound. Just converted the cab to look like the newer M928 instead of the M35 wpl based it off. Ive had 2 solid house bricks in the bed and its moved them around pretty well, the next upgrade will be metal axles though for the bearings and the metal gearbox gears
Hi Phil, Will that body fit on trx4M? My problem with trx4m is just the body. And the C45-1 everything else but the body 😂, so will buy both just to get the Land Cruiser body on the trx4m if it fits Thanks
I pretty much figured this would be the verdict. When I saw the "upgraded" 260 motor, I immediately thought of MN, and how horrible those motors and electronics are. They still look fantastic though, and it would be interesting to see that gearbox with a better motor. While I love the performance of the WPL two speed, I hate how low it hangs. It catches on everything.
Bought wpl c24-1 few months ago, upgraded to all metal part but 2 days ago downgraded back to stock part because metal axles are not as durable.for me better enjoy the stock for what it is.
I love WPL, but, I will wait for this to come out KM style. RTR rigs are a great way to try before you really buy (since we all know the cost of the RC is in the maintenance, and upgrade costs!!), but I have like 7 WPL rigs now, and I'm just done with RTR. I'm also not a fan of the 270 motor, or whatever it is. Those motors have always been an awkward size, very few people have optimized them or reworked them, and the 130, 180, and 380 motors have been reworked by RC nerds, NERF and other foam flinging blasters nerds have many lines of these sizes of motors which allow a huge range of choices to dial in your rigs, whatever they may be. I am very excited about the new gearbox, though, I do love the 2 speed versions, I have the damnedest time dialing in that 3mm gear shift bar the servo actuates. It's such a small line on the bar of a working zone, and I've not mastered that yet. Always look forward to your WPL videos, all your videos are good for a laugh, entertainment, and insight. I appreciate your efforts!
oh you know what yea i see a huge difference with the motors dang ive got their b36 km model with the 370 motor 2 speed and holy crap that thing has more control than my trx 4 and upgraded scx24😂😂
@@halmakenreuther8843 thanks. 1080 worth it over a 1060 for one of these? I’m a beginner but do appreciate a well engineered product if it makes a noticeable difference.
Mount the spare wheel on the bonnet! More weight over the front axle, and the driver won't be able to see where he/she is going! Ooo, and you showed us how to open the bonnet without a special tool!
Fair review imo ! I don't really see the big improvement as other people are bragging about it ! Most of the people who run WPL would upgrade the motor/gear box and esc along with suspension . Since de E1 big disappointment even with after market metal tracks I think that is it for me with WPL 👎and new RCs. Same as the V3 radio not really great unless you use a 3s lipo and still no end points ! That we know it's a must on the RC world for just a little bit more money you can get a very good budget radio gear and esc that will outperform the so wonderful V3 radio
@@Fonzierc thank you! Dumbo x4 or x6? Also, worth it to go with a 1080 over a 1060, or is that overkill (I really do not know the difference, I’m a beginner but I do appreciate a well engineered experience)? Any battery recommendations with the setup you recommended? Lastly, is the wh1060 a plug and play experience pretty much with these or will I need anything else besides remote? Do these remotes come with a receiver as well or is that something I’ll have to buy also?
@@chrish9502 it all depends up on yourself really how much you want to spend but obviously the 6 has more options and better also the 1080 it's better but if you do that it's not really a budget 🙂
2s or 3s battery will be good it can be plug and play with the correct connectors you just need to make sure you get the matching set up on what you want . Soldering is required for the motor
I just bought this rc, and it needs help desperately! This thing cuts power and is so extremely jerky when i try to crawl ANYTHING AT ALL😢 is it for sure just the motor? I ordered a c74 370 motor with transmission to try that if it turns out to be the esc is also crap, i will be crushed... i dont know what to buy to replace at that point. If you could fix yours so we know what to do to fix it. Im loving the other design changes, but this c54 is horrible compared to my c24 rtr
Hi mate, can you tell me whats the difference between C54 and C54-1? i adquire a C54-1, and the seller tell me that isnt in stock, so they gonna change it for C54, i really apreciate your response
Hey Phil, Love your videos do the wheels mount with a hex or screw in? Just thinking about wheel upgrades for this little beauty. If not is there a way you can convert to something like a 7mm hex do you think? Thanks mate, keep up the amazing content
Thank you for your honest review tomley I've been holding off on getting one of these till seeing your video and in all fairness I'd personally say its still a decent little package Few mods and that would be amazing for trails I also appreciate how wpl have taken a more mature approach with this one too opting out of adding the childish stickers and such for a more scale and realistic look but still having lots of accessories option from out the box The motor is a let down ill agree but as you mentioned in this video - 370 would easy fit in there with maybe minimal cutting 👍🏼 maybe even some brackets to raise the gearbox and give extra room for the larger style can or even just throw one of your old white box 180 in it for slow crawling 🤔 do we know if KM parts from previous wpl models will be direct fit or will we need to wait for a stand alone KM upgrade package Also the electronics could easy be upgraded for cheap - 20amp ecs and dumbo rc transmitter would give this a whole new lease of life too
I would love, love for WPL or FMS to take their wonderful scale vehicles and make them 1/14th scale and properly sized 1/14th so they could work with the 14th scale semitrucks. It would be so great to have vehicles to load on the trailers or use as pilot/escort vehicles for oversized loads or service trucks/shop trucks... Or build the Bandit Trans Am to roll alongside Snowman's Kenworth.
I agree that when it comes to performance, the Scx24 is in a completely different league. Even before I modified my first Scx24, it would go places my upgraded c24 had no chance of making. The WPLs look way better though, and as a base for a nice scale build, they are really nice. If I want to go small scale crawling I'll take the Scx24s every time though. Or the Orlandoos, if I want to go really small scale. 😊
Does anyone know of a good axle upgrade for these? I tried adding some nice shocks that are a little taller but they don't fit in the front because of the steering knuckle. So a a little wider axle would be ideal
It is everything else but crawler, like most of the WPL rigs. It's OK to drive it on the parkways. But it is fine for this price. Good enough for my grand son . I still prefer my Furitek rigs.
Shipping is very brutal. Liam's one had a hole in it like someone poke a finger through to see what's inside! Damn good idea that orange tint on the lens! Super cool red to yellow transition! 😂😂 This is a great video explaining about the new changes! Yes Huang told me it's geared well for torque Hmm in your case it does look really really terrible on power. I'll get back to you 😁😁
I think we must understand that WPL provides good RCs for beginners at a much lower price than others. That is where they score. Keep up the good work.
Exactly. I just got into the hobby again and this was a great platform to start. I already have mine in pieces and painting currently. It's upgradable, and didn't break the bank to buy two for my step sons as well.
My first WPL arrives today. You got me sold Tomley, I actually bought the old. C24-1 as a starter.
C24-1 is probably the best WPL starter! Will give you a great experience
@@LuckyStablesYT it's excellent. I did my first video on it already, I love it. I'm going to upload a follow up tomorrow. It even did a 68 degree incline which I also uploaded because I was blown away by it!
I just got the 54 and ordered upgrades looks like I should of added weight instead of foam for tires but I wanted grip
Awesome and honest review, Phil! Thanks a bunch! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Been waiting for your review on this one Phil. I was excited about the new motor/transmission setup but disappointed when i heard it was a 260 motor. Would love to see a review on the MN128 jeep Rubicon RTR. Love your content!
Who doesn't...right. maybe the uninitiated.
Troy 😎
There is so much choice if you want a decent mini crawler nowadays. Yes, you can start upgrading this truck but then you are investing quite a bit of money and other options start to make more sense.
Saludos Mr Tomley me encantan los autos a escala son lo mejor para los viejos como yo me traen muchos recuerdo de la niñez que aun estoy viviendo , muchas gracias mi Amigo feliz dia
"get your selfe a sharpie" done 👍 thanks for this tip,much easier than paint colors 😅 Also ordered some silver/copper/golden ones 👍
I've just fitted a 370 to the new design gearbox in mine and it is has made a marked improvement. It was running really well with it at the weekend.
What is the detail on the new design gearbox?
@@PaulSpehar It's a complete change from the previous RTR, it's much more like the C34KM flat gearbox, it has similar offset output shafts that counter rotate and there's a new three link and panhard rod suspension design to accommodate the offset motor. There's a video that shows some detail on my channel.
THANKS for sharing Sir hope you have a great weekend 🇬🇧✌🏼🤩👍🏼
Great review... Love how honest it is!
Good review Phil!
Similar to this was my first experience with WPL and I just never caught the allure of them. Glad they have a solid following.
The suspension is way to stiff, unles it is on flat ground there are on 2/3 tyres touching, no woder the traction was rubbish. Nice honest review. Thanks
Kool, I do like the variety of RC's that present and the difference between the stuff Kev does. May of heard of Mr. King Talbert I reckon...lol
Top of the morning to you Mate.
Troy 😎
Bought two of these last december, same colours. Had the option for both configurations out of the box with both(only WPL C54, no "dash 1" model)..
Love these little C54's. Even had them towing a 1/10 trailer with a towbar made out of meccano.
Considering they apparently have a type 360 motor, they're quite underpowered when compared to the MN99s with its 120 motor.
BTW, the full kit is what the more serious Australian version of the 80 series looked like!
awesome honest review. wasn't really keen on getting this version. gut feel was right for a change.
I've got one on order too Phil,though I've already got plans for upgrading it. I'm going to be dropping a spare V3 board into this,along with a spare set of soft kit tyres.
Hi, can be dropped in V3 board with standard remote?
Or must I get also the V3 remote?
Thank you
@@Winston-hw8wb You'll need the V3 controller as well.
Great review mate. Just letting ya know, its a 80 Series Landcruiser.
Is the lowdown power due to the motor or the ESC? For example would an upgraded motor solve this or do you need to do more? Thank you Great videos
Love the body for sure!!! I might buy it just for that and ditch everything else!!!! Great review Phill!!!!👍👍👍
Try it with the c24 tires
Hey you did a sweet job on the Matt's off road rc, you should build a whistling diesel truck out of a clod hopper.
I gave up on wpl a long time ago. My c24-1 broke if you looked at it the wrong way. I'd rather get the fms or hobby plus land cruiser. Thanks for the review 👍👍
you can fit 2 2 1500mha 2s batterys in the hood for alot of front wright :) its good if you want it to climb steep angles
Very little mods perk this thing up. Wish it also just came with a 370 motor. But you know me I never leave these alone! Mine performs well now.
rc4wd makes 2 sets of 1.2"
tires that fit the stock wheels and are the best i've found for the wpl trucks.
Nice video!❤🎉👍
Thanks for the review, as its always nice to see some cheaper alternatives to the TRX4m, as that way you can get some cheap extra cars for friends to use that you can fix or replace cheaply if/when they break them :-)
I would also love to see the new motor and gear box tested with some other ESC and electronics options, as it could just be the included basic electronics just can't really handle the extra load of the bigger motor.
Like the beige one with cool bumper, could make that super scale looking 👌 👍👍😅
I appreciate your evaluation of the little crawler. It appears as you said the appearance is great, but the performance was lacking. I was surprised that the tires were so bad.
the 1/16 scale stuff is gaining aftermarket now, still a good entry point to that scale especially considering if you want a Hilux or LC hard body you can't get a much better start.
Looks good and rolls good lol
Most people probably gonna upgrade this thinks anyway, but for stock it should be a bit better...
80 series cruiser.
Captain obvious
Yes
@@Bro-163 He called it a 70 series in video.
I hate how non Australians know jackshit abt cruisers. Thry are litterally one of if no the most iconic 4wd...ever.
@@keqrouoh ohhh the whole world get does land cruisers. And they should learn about the land cruisers that go to Australia.... Upsidedown brain
The hard compound tires are good for rtr for the durability but traction is terrible the soft ones pull well but you do then put more strain on the driveline, ive kept the hard ones on my B16 as ive snapped a few drive shafts until i went to metal ones now the low range in my 2 speed box is starting to play up skipping teeth but ive got the V3 radio gear with the sound. Just converted the cab to look like the newer M928 instead of the M35 wpl based it off. Ive had 2 solid house bricks in the bed and its moved them around pretty well, the next upgrade will be metal axles though for the bearings and the metal gearbox gears
For a right hand drive 80series the snorkel should be on the drivers side 👍
Non rc question.
Do you watch the coronation of the king and queen? Over across the pond they have it on almost every TV station.
Hi Phil,
Will that body fit on trx4M?
My problem with trx4m is just the body. And the C45-1 everything else but the body 😂, so will buy both just to get the Land Cruiser body on the trx4m if it fits
Thanks
Looks great, can’t crawl. Review over.
Any reviews of the mn128 imminent?
Nice. Every time I see rtr I read it as ready to ron now 😂😂
You should upgrade motor and tires on one and do a test against the stock.
The review I've been waiting for, cheers Phil pretty much confirmed my suspicions👍🏻.
yep love my wpl and remember them batterys xd still got some to think about it as i chage to a 1080 and 2s-3s 1500mha lipos
Where did you aquire the driver?
Nice, but i think you turned the tail lights upside down.
Please can you do a video on the new MN128 jeep. And have them run with The old models for a comparison.
I pretty much figured this would be the verdict. When I saw the "upgraded" 260 motor, I immediately thought of MN, and how horrible those motors and electronics are.
They still look fantastic though, and it would be interesting to see that gearbox with a better motor.
While I love the performance of the WPL two speed, I hate how low it hangs. It catches on everything.
Bought wpl c24-1 few months ago, upgraded to all metal part but 2 days ago downgraded back to stock part because metal axles are not as durable.for me better enjoy the stock for what it is.
Knowing the fcx is similar in size to the trx4m I wonder if this body would work with the fcx base….
No they are totally different size
I love WPL, but, I will wait for this to come out KM style. RTR rigs are a great way to try before you really buy (since we all know the cost of the RC is in the maintenance, and upgrade costs!!), but I have like 7 WPL rigs now, and I'm just done with RTR.
I'm also not a fan of the 270 motor, or whatever it is. Those motors have always been an awkward size, very few people have optimized them or reworked them, and the 130, 180, and 380 motors have been reworked by RC nerds, NERF and other foam flinging blasters nerds have many lines of these sizes of motors which allow a huge range of choices to dial in your rigs, whatever they may be.
I am very excited about the new gearbox, though, I do love the 2 speed versions, I have the damnedest time dialing in that 3mm gear shift bar the servo actuates. It's such a small line on the bar of a working zone, and I've not mastered that yet.
Always look forward to your WPL videos, all your videos are good for a laugh, entertainment, and insight. I appreciate your efforts!
Hey what electronics would you recommend for a c-24-1-km? I’m new to this
As an Aussie I appreciate the “Roo” bar reference 😂.
Also is there any suggestions for the bump steer?
oh you know what yea i see a huge difference with the motors dang ive got their b36 km model with the 370 motor 2 speed and holy crap that thing has more control than my trx 4 and upgraded scx24😂😂
C44 is on sale atm
A 370 fits in with no modification. It has the holes and everything ready for one.
This wpls can be really moneysinking if you want to tune them properly.
What electronics would you recommend off the bat instead of trying a bunch and wasting money?
@@chrish9502 if it comes to ESC, i would always go with hobbywing.
@@halmakenreuther8843 thanks. 1080 worth it over a 1060 for one of these? I’m a beginner but do appreciate a well engineered product if it makes a noticeable difference.
I wish wpl would do 1/10 scale with all the details
Can someone link a video of how to switch the grill and headlights?
Mount the spare wheel on the bonnet! More weight over the front axle, and the driver won't be able to see where he/she is going!
Ooo, and you showed us how to open the bonnet without a special tool!
Looks good shame about performance. New Ftx apache looks hopfully you'll have a vid🙏
Trail truck. How it compare to the Toyota truck stock Rtr if it’s faster that would be a plus
I run wpl body’s on latrax prerunner
Fair review imo ! I don't really see the big improvement as other people are bragging about it ! Most of the people who run WPL would upgrade the motor/gear box and esc along with suspension .
Since de E1 big disappointment even with after market metal tracks I think that is it for me with WPL 👎and new RCs.
Same as the V3 radio not really great unless you use a 3s lipo and still no end points !
That we know it's a must on the RC world for just a little bit more money you can get a very good budget radio gear and esc that will outperform the so wonderful V3 radio
Hey what electronics would you recommend instead if the v3 set? I’m new to this
@@chrish9502 Dumbo RC it's a really good set and at budget price and get a wh1060 happy days.
Or a flysky gt3 or gt5
@@Fonzierc thank you! Dumbo x4 or x6? Also, worth it to go with a 1080 over a 1060, or is that overkill (I really do not know the difference, I’m a beginner but I do appreciate a well engineered experience)? Any battery recommendations with the setup you recommended? Lastly, is the wh1060 a plug and play experience pretty much with these or will I need anything else besides remote? Do these remotes come with a receiver as well or is that something I’ll have to buy also?
@@chrish9502 it all depends up on yourself really how much you want to spend but obviously the 6 has more options and better also the 1080 it's better but if you do that it's not really a budget 🙂
2s or 3s battery will be good it can be plug and play with the correct connectors you just need to make sure you get the matching set up on what you want .
Soldering is required for the motor
A wpl without mods just looks good, they're models you can drive but yea I've got a few haha
who is better for trial ?wpl c54 or mn99s? or wpl c24-1?
Is it possible to link a better controller to these models.?
can change the controler? and make it an fpv rc car?? mmm
And dont forget the non grippy tyres phil lol
Very Nice 🤩
better this wpl 54 or wpl c24-1?? for trial use
24-1😊off course
I just bought this rc, and it needs help desperately! This thing cuts power and is so extremely jerky when i try to crawl ANYTHING AT ALL😢 is it for sure just the motor? I ordered a c74 370 motor with transmission to try that if it turns out to be the esc is also crap, i will be crushed... i dont know what to buy to replace at that point. If you could fix yours so we know what to do to fix it. Im loving the other design changes, but this c54 is horrible compared to my c24 rtr
I put a redcat 370 in my wpl b24 with gear reduction box
Hi mate, can you tell me whats the difference between C54 and C54-1? i adquire a C54-1, and the seller tell me that isnt in stock, so they gonna change it for C54, i really apreciate your response
The bumper, grill and headlights
Hey Phil,
Love your videos do the wheels mount with a hex or screw in? Just thinking about wheel upgrades for this little beauty. If not is there a way you can convert to something like a 7mm hex do you think?
Thanks mate, keep up the amazing content
When the new ftx video coming out?? (9:53 time on video)
Umm don't know if anybody has mentioned but that's an 80 series LC
when you took it out the box I thought it was a Renault 4 😅
paint body in jurrasic park livery ?
It's great for beginners
Wowwwww ❤ it.
Thank you for your honest review tomley I've been holding off on getting one of these till seeing your video and in all fairness I'd personally say its still a decent little package
Few mods and that would be amazing for trails
I also appreciate how wpl have taken a more mature approach with this one too opting out of adding the childish stickers and such for a more scale and realistic look but still having lots of accessories option from out the box
The motor is a let down ill agree but as you mentioned in this video - 370 would easy fit in there with maybe minimal cutting 👍🏼 maybe even some brackets to raise the gearbox and give extra room for the larger style can or even just throw one of your old white box 180 in it for slow crawling 🤔 do we know if KM parts from previous wpl models will be direct fit or will we need to wait for a stand alone KM upgrade package
Also the electronics could easy be upgraded for cheap - 20amp ecs and dumbo rc transmitter would give this a whole new lease of life too
LC80
Do look cool bit yeah my boys c14 would smash that thing
I don’t understand why they don’t just put the 370’s in these with the aluminum transmissions.
I would love, love for WPL or FMS to take their wonderful scale vehicles and make them 1/14th scale and properly sized 1/14th so they could work with the 14th scale semitrucks. It would be so great to have vehicles to load on the trailers or use as pilot/escort vehicles for oversized loads or service trucks/shop trucks... Or build the Bandit Trans Am to roll alongside Snowman's Kenworth.
Or even better, whoever is making semi rc to make the size everyone else does
I got axial scx24 and it so much nicer than wpl..I have c24 as well
I agree that when it comes to performance, the Scx24 is in a completely different league. Even before I modified my first Scx24, it would go places my upgraded c24 had no chance of making.
The WPLs look way better though, and as a base for a nice scale build, they are really nice.
If I want to go small scale crawling I'll take the Scx24s every time though. Or the Orlandoos, if I want to go really small scale. 😊
Does anyone know of a good axle upgrade for these? I tried adding some nice shocks that are a little taller but they don't fit in the front because of the steering knuckle. So a a little wider axle would be ideal
MN 90 portal diff. , full alu. about 14mm wider
Furitek, Mickley Thompsons and some wheel weights and that thing would be 10x better
I still have the battery that came with my very first WPL.
Such a shame they kinda stuffed up on the electronics because they are some of the best looking scale car/trucks
Nice balenced review as usual sir! 👍
Disliked the performance of mine so I body swapped it onto my Wltoys 12428 making a spaced out race build
It is everything else but crawler, like most of the WPL rigs. It's OK to drive it on the parkways. But it is fine for this price. Good enough for my grand son . I still prefer my Furitek rigs.
The body colour on the full size ones in Aus is lovingly called ‘taliban tan’ 😅
Now you can make a replica of Dirty30 and give it to Shauno of 4WD24/7
It's got a 4 pin so you can't swap packs, you've got jokes my friend. Solder solves that.
Shipping is very brutal. Liam's one had a hole in it like someone poke a finger through to see what's inside!
Damn good idea that orange tint on the lens!
Super cool red to yellow transition! 😂😂
This is a great video explaining about the new changes!
Yes Huang told me it's geared well for torque
Hmm in your case it does look really really terrible on power. I'll get back to you 😁😁
It's car hobby grade or toy grade
Wish I could get a lot of trim 😪 lol
Love the looks of WPL, but the lackluster performance is a real turnoff.
What a shame it looks so very cool