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Route mode also works.
Just set the desired heading on the small heading window with the knob, fly that heading with a speed ~200 km/h and engage Route AP.
The Mi-24 will then fly that heading.
To turn, simply slowly dial in a new heading and the Mi-24 will tunrn towards it.
It uses both the Roll and Yaw channel, so keep them engaged.
Also know that the Hover altitude hold uses the altitude channel and that the Collective brake will reset the Altitude channel.
For sharp turns You might wnat to disengage the Yaw channel.
The trim button will set the AP channels when it is released and not when pressed.
Thanks.I have not got the route hold working a single time so far :(
Just tried again to your suggestion but as usual it spins me around in a slow RH circle with Route engaged :(
Nice. Thank you sir, I'll try those later.
@@grimreapers Strange - for me it works flawless.
All channels except Altitude engaged, dial in f.ex 090° in the small window, manually fly that heading and engage Route.
The Mi-24 will now fly that heading. dialing in a new heading makes the Helicopter turn to that heading.
Regarding the last example in this video (Auto Hover)... to help prevent the AP from doing the slight yawing you see, use the channel trim knob, to add a little left trim to the Yaw channel. Thats what those are for.
thx
and you cant set the knob to an Axis! It drives me crazy!
It acts like the dampers in the Mi-8 then?
It seems that the functions are the same, the button and dials just have a different shape.
Sad ED doesn't bring any updates since release... Would like to see them finish the Hind BEFORE pushing out the Apache but it seems like ED is great in announcing and releasing but fails at finishing something.... Sad
no kidding. Its shame this is not a more prominent sediment shared. ED capitalizes on the "look squirrel" mentality. Now be a good player and go buy your apache, while the 24 is shelved next to the super carrier.
Thanks from France 🇨🇵🐸🇲🇫.
Great vidéo on the hind.
Thanks, Cap! This one really helped me out.
hi all, some useful info…..If H channel (yaw) is on do not touch rudder pedals, as you add collective AP will counter the torque, you do nothing with rudder!….. if you want to change heading just add rudder to direction you want to go and gently return rudder to centre….and AP will add yaw as needed to keep you on that hearing….. no trim reset required…. Problem is that we are trying to fly it as mi 8 and manually correct for torque, and basically end up fighting AP…… when I figured this out Hind is easier to fly then ka50…..
thx
it should work as such for the collective axis in auto mode: it will operate into a certain margin plus or minus around your actual collective setting maybe 10 to 20 % allowing it gentle climb or decent to hold height and hover power variations. the square gauge under the compas is the power ouput of the engines, the middle index is nominal and is the value arround wich the afcs should set itself if i remember my ka-50 101 correctly.
Thank you for the research on Route mode for me sir. As always great video
A few guys have said they can get it to work but I've tried everything I can think of and just can't get it working...
@@grimreapers Yeah, I had sent you a few private messages when I was testing it in mission maker saying yeah it works great but then deleted it not be able to get it working again. I think it is very finicky at the moment. I guess it will be fully working later on
The Yaw AP mode works fine, the problem is when you want to turn it off. The last known setting of the AP channel is left fixed on the pedals and the only way to center the pedals is to do a trim re-set which also re-sets cyclic trim, this can be dangerous if near the ground.
The other issue is when switching seats, if the AI does a pedal offset these will be left in when taking back over from the AI (even if Yaw AP is off) , again the only way to reset the pedals is to re-set trim.
A simple solution would be to have a separate way to cancel pedal trim, that is not tied to cyclic trim. i.e the double tap of trimmer instead of resetting all the trim just does pedals.
thx will investigate
Heh yep. Remember when the Ka-50 came out and ppl would stand it on it's tail when they turned the cyclic trim off?
Good times.
@@zzodr Yea I dont have re-set trim bound on the KA-50 lol
But on the Hind it is usefull, the pedals are an issue though, hopefully ED can sort a work around on it. I do like to re-set the cyclic as well in the Hind every now and then.
Can you do the same in the Operators Station (front seat). I tried and seems none of the autopilot channels work in front.
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Now I’ve seen this I may get the hind as I’m pretty hopeless at the rotor stuff! Please no Americanised pronunciations! I believe there’s lots of folk ‘over the water’ who still say route as ‘root’. What next? “Gotten”!!??
none of the four ap controls work. Hot start, click on them and they dont work. I think this is a poor sim for DCS!
I can not for my life get into a hover
Just turn them all off and you are all set :)
I mean, what's the point of dropping that kind of money on a really good helicopter simulation, then proceed raising barriers between you and the ship? In reality there is all kinds of sense behind having all these things installed on your helo (although that could set you back considerably compared to the base price), but in a sim just enjoy the helicopter for what it is.
@@getsideways7257 Have you tried the Hind? Flying it without these aids is incredibly difficult. They were put in the real aircraft for a reason.
@@Rokaize Would do you mean "tried"? I even have a video where I slingloaded a cargo in it without these damned "helpers" (among the first people who did it). If anything, they only get in the way.
Things like this are only useful for prolonged operation without much maneuvering - and that's how you should use the "Cobra button" on the Flanker as well. All the stability augmenters are nothing more than an extension of the autopilot (or rather the other way around). You only deluded yourself into thinking that they are "helping" you maneuver. That's just wrong. Or you have an even worse joystick than T.16000M (which is very unlikely).
@@getsideways7257 you can make it more difficult for yourself, if you want.
Those systems exist for a reasons and there are no sources I can find where they are ever turned off in real life except for very specific circumstances. Like excessive maneuvers done to avoid enemy fire in combat.
I guess by your logic you should be able to turn off fly by wire in any modern US fighter since it’s just an extension of the autopilot.
Edit: you sound like an idiot when you say that you were “among the first people” who sling loaded with a hind in a video game. You have no way of knowing if this is true. No one is impressed by your virtual accomplishments
Also, we have absolutely no proof that you did it without those systems turned on. All of the footage is from an external view of the hind. You probably had them on the whole time anyway.
@@Rokaize I'm trying to make you understand that it's EASIER this way. Did you really compare both modes yourself?
Those systems exist for the reason that some numbskulls who barely lifted anything apart from a pencil in their life decided that human beings are so useless they can't be trusted even with opening a bag of chips manually. Just look at the cars these days. I'm not even talking about FSD, but other "electronic nannies" are there by default and you can't even disconnect them unless you get to the insides of the car.
Were humans hitting the trees all the time before these were introduced? Are they killing themselves much less now thanks to all this electronic crap?
It's all a load of bull. If you learn a little bit to control the thing, you are going to control it much better than when there is something in between you and the controls, simply because the thing is unable to read your mind - it can only GUESS your intentions. That also comes with added lag.
Of course, a lot depends on how statically stable the aircraft is. But speaking DCS I can tell you that I've flown the Flanker and the JF-17 manually. The Flanker is just fine and turning ASC Direct On seriously improves your chances in combat. JF-17 is flyable without FbW (although you have to disable things in ME to get exactly that), but it's quite a handful because of the instability. Not sure if I'd be able to fly the F-16 though, but mostly because of the imprecision of my joystick and the wearout factor due to the instability. But I'd give it a try if there was a possibility. The mostly stable airframes (like F/A-18C) shouldn't be a problem at all, just like the F-14s and the F-15 aren't.
Well, I didn't say I was the first. But I definitely was among the first, since I haven't seen an earlier video, and the thought to try that out occurred to me soon after I did some flying in the Hind. But I guess you just had an urge to call names...
No proof? Well, I fly with linear "curves", so all the imprecision in the joystick movement should be visible right away. What's the point of SAS if it wouldn't smoothen that out?
Guess I could try replaying that track again from the cockpit, but considering how many patches we've had since then, I doubt the thing won't crash right away. Not to mention I was really lucky that the whole track replayed properly at that time even on the same version.
You could say that my whole channel's purpose is to show that humans can do a decent job controlling everything manually. By no means I'm trying to say I'm the best at it, not to mention that would simply defy the purpose.
The bottom line is, you can do it. Just lose the negative thinking and believe a little bit in the "neural network" that you yourself have built-in.
By the way, my GP Bikes videos show that it's even possible to control a bike in a sim through the handlebars without much assistance. But of course, considering that one cannot feel the g-forces, that's a pretty hard thing to do.