Well both have pros and cons.. Pela can debuff all enemies, but she cant apply element weakness.. SilverWolf can only debuff one enemy, but she can apply weakness(kind of QOL for new players) and also she can apply other debuff with her attacks too.. therefor they are both good in their own category.. you cant have SW do debuff all enemies and also apply weakness, because that will be broken.. so, the conclusion is both units has Pros and Cons. With all that being said, I use Pela with my Jingliu team, and SilverWolf on my second team. If theres only 2 units of these big Defense Shred Debuff, then why are we all arguing about which is better, because you can use both of them in both team, lol.. problem solved.
I don't think you even need to grab popcorn, pela is better than SW, it's just mono copetum fanboys thinking otherwise. Even some CN TCs are starting to say pela>sw.
I'm so glad I've seen her potential since the beginning of the game & skipped SW to save up for future units. Happy to see my girl receiving the appreciation she deserves!
Same, once i understood diminishing returns i realized very early in the game that best comps in HSR are made of one main dps, 1 buffer, 1 debuffer in this case pella and a healer/tank (like Fuxan or a jacked Gepard) as i remember twitch streamers recomend so many stupid team comps like some using thingyuan and bronya togheter and such...
It's fair to say that in a turn-based game having access to defense shred is always valuable especially if it's as high as 40% and with it being permanently up AND aoe, calling pela 5 star is basically an understatement at this point. but at the same time having elemenal manipulation is almost unheard of in turn based games and is extremly potent not just in a gacha sense but just game design sense especially in the case of SW who's a single target dps in disguise . Also if they add elemental counter effects ( like in pokemon ) then SW will only gain more value. TLDR, literally no one should regret pulling SW nor should they ignore pela. Imo they fill different niches but just happen to overlap in the def shred part.
@vanilla9886 Well, in a sense, he's right about her being broken. That being said, he is wrong about having her being equal to : "easy mode/no skill required anymore." Ur not gonna suddenly become Jesus with her if ur account isn't managed well even if she helps u preserve resources. Also, Smack isn't slandering SW here ( even if it seems like it). He's simply showing people why pela is cracked and he's right about that.
Here we go with the 1.1 event LC again, man as a PS5 player this hurts so much its literally the only thing that my Pela is missing to be 100% cracked.
I also had my Pela built as sub-dps with 1:2 crit ratio but I changed it to a tank build to sustain MoC 10 enemies and Jingliu health drain. Im so obsessed with the 10% crit dmg given by Keel because not only does it stack with other character's Keel, it forces you to give Effect RES to supports so they wont get CC'd easily. It just fits the name "Broken" Keel so well
Tru though, I love SW and still gonna use her whenever I feel like it. Her implant weakness is her exclusive feature but at this point hoyo aldy release limited character (dmg unit) for all element. Once you covering all element (you will in the future) SW exclusive feature will drop to the point it become unescessary.
Even if more unit comes in future for all type, SW weakness will still very potent for Mono QUA. You can run mono QUA and ignore whole elements sys for one team in your teams. Bit lazy play, but work which would help ease a bit on making teams, which I guess could be unnecessary or still extremely nice depend on personal opinion. Technically we still waiting for QUA Harmony. Which is soon, my “dreams” tells me after Ruan Mei. Running Lynx and FX don’t count imo. It’s like running March and Gepard at same time.
Both have pros and cons. Which one is better depends on both the comp and the fight in question. This MoC, I did make more use of Pela, but a big reason for that is because both Silver Wolf and pela enabled 0 cycles for me for my Jingliu team and I didn't feel the need to continually swap gears (for speed tuning purposes) between them when either fit the bill. I used Silver Wolf together with QQ against the Deer on MoC 9 though while my Jingliu team 0 cycled the first fight. As for Pearls vs. Tutorial, Pela's on avg. dmg contribution via her debuffs is higher on Pearls so long as it's S3 or higher. But, yes, that comes at a cost of either needing to skill sometimes (you do anyways with Jingliu to apply the ice resist debuff from E4, so this is moot), or needing to get kills to proc her E1 to get the last energy you need to Ult, or just delaying the Ult since often times you will already be in killing range after the previous Ult. If you absolutely can't skill in a comp and if there are not any adds to be killed for extra energy in a timely fashion, sure, Tutorial is really nice for those situations. But, in general, I find myself using Pearls S5 far more often than tutorial on her to greater effect.
Pela with the 4 wind set and regen + forward at start energy rope set is just crazy man. My Pela is a speed demon and has her ult up and ready to go all the time too. When I got Jing Liu I wasn't expecting that I would be building my Pela too, but glad I did, because I happened to have godly wind gear specifically S-tier for her, and now she not only has turns all the time(150~ speed). But she also got 4k hp and still does tremendous amount of damage herself as well(e6). Most broken damage support ever, and anything with ice weakness is beyond screwed.
Yeah, Pela is great; I have her. I also skipped SW on her first banner, but I think her unique feature, weakness implant, is still nice. It lets you break enemies, which can be a lifesaver, especially if an enemy is about to release a damaging AOE attack. You can stop that by breaking its weakness.
I've been thinking of going for sub-dps since I have E6 Pela, cause honestly all her Ascension Traces and Eidolons seem to lead that way, a bit of a strange approach to her kit but I don't mind since it also means she's completely viable at E0 for newer players.
A video like this coming out at this time is huge to be honest, I'm glad some of these older units are actually getting the limelight. Qingque was slept on for so long, now the most busted 4* damage dealer ever. Pela being downgraded for so long is now shinning after people realized that Defense Shred is just nuts along with the 3+ enemy fights becoming more of a thing rather than single target, and, if people were pulling on these banners with her on it, they will MORE THAN LIKELY, have her E6'd already.
Just something to note: while I agree with most things being said here, I think Silver Wolf still have something Pela doesn't, which is the duration and the number of her debuffs. - Most of SW debuffs last 3 turns, Pela's last 2. This is very comfy with bosses who keep having their turn pushed up. Of course you can time your skill right to mitigate this. But again, it's about comfort, and SW's longer duration is a bit more forgiving. This is not to mention one of SW's bug is a Spd down, which helps with the longevity of her debuffs. She does take more turn to recharge her Ult, as the video shown, so there's that too. - SW have a base of 6 debuffs in her kit: 3 random bugs, a RES shred + 1 conditional (implanting a weakness the enemy does not have) RES shred, and a Def shred. Pela has 2 Def shreds, 3 with E4. I'm saying this because (spoiler warning) there ought to be future characters who scale off the number of debuffs the opponent has. If, or when, this character is out, and they want more than 2 or 3 debuffs, SW's value might get an increase. Subjected to if this character have a cap on the number of debuffs they can benefit from, of course. Pela can mitigate this by using Pearl of Sweat, but you will be sacrificing the 8 energy from Before the Tutorial that allows her to be an SP generator. And no, you can't do 3 basics to Ult with Pela bc her debuffs only last 2 turns. + Given, Pela can still be competitive with SW, first-turn speaking. If we are talking about using a technique and a skill (and an Ult in Pela's case) first turn, SW can apply 2 bugs and 1 RES shred (maybe 2?); Pela can apply all 3 of her debuffs, which is comparable. Second wave though, if we are still talking Ult and Skill, Pela is down to 2 and SW is up to 4. So...yea, I wouldn't say Pela is BETTER. She's...comparable, and using her will have caveats that players need to be aware of.
I appreciate you making this kind of content. Very objective and has given me a lot to think about. I think in these kinds of games since you can clear the content quickly and efficiently either way, it’s important to use who you enjoy playing with more. But with that said, min-maxing and using who’s objectively best in slot is fun too for a lot of people including myself. Thanks smack
At 8:10 I believe that Pela only got extra energy because she broke an enemy's weakness, because I used Pela's technique on the 2nd half and my energy bar was only half-full at 55/110. She also has 88 EHR with SW event LC and ERR rope.
Your trace talent level must be low, because pela does not have a "generate energy on weakness break" Tested with my ungeared pela + ERR rope + SW Event LC and also gotten 66/110 like his.
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 Did you get 66/110 on the 1st half or the 2nd half of MOC10? I have gotten 67/110 on 1st half, but only 55/110 on 2nd half using Pela's technique.
@@strakyman hmm.. let me check... don't have energy to be clearing stage to test on 2nd half as im sick from covid, so I tested on MOC7, non-ice weakness and I still get 66/110, your Pela shouldn't be getting different values... try check ur LC or u swapped ur gears ard.
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 I used Pela technique on MOC7 1st half, and I only got 55/110. She has S5 Event LC, level 10 talent, ERR rope, and Sprightly Vonwacq.
Pela has been putting in work on my account. Black Swan powercreeps her as Nihility Wind Defense shredder. But I'll have to skip her; I want Dr. Ratio & Hanabi. Good luck on your pulls y'all 😄
Equipping Belobog of Architects to Pela is big brain. Thanks for sharing the tip! Pela complements multiple DPS compositions very well. I still need Silver Wolf though for that weakness implant. Luka is my single-target defense shred unit for now with the Resolution LC. 😅
I'm pretty sure they changed this somehow in 1.6 I've got my pela with 124 energy recharge and she doesn't gain energy anymore when going into battle with technique
If you don’t have it then use your Pela skill to get your Ult up in the first cycle Meanwhile Silverwolf can’t do it no matter what and suffers even more without that LC
Yeah Pela just feels good to use, simple and effective kit and even without using skill it feels like she gets her ult often. SW is the only character I’ve pulled so far that I kind of regret, not cause she’s bad I just haven’t used her as much as I expected, she’s still good with Seele and can enable a mono quantum team for me at some point but I’ve just found myself using Pela way more
If you just want the def break absolutely pela is better but Blade is my favorite dps by far and SW lets me use him anywhere I want which obviously pela can’t do.
Wasn't playing at the beginning of the game (arrived during Kafka's banner) and grabbed Pela from the shop as soon as I could. Never regretted it, she's amazing. I know SW is a good unit but I won't need her long term since you can either brute force content or will have enough different DPS to deal with the different elements at some point. Pela on the other hand? What she does is simple but she does it well. She's never left my team ever since I got her, and she's on Luka's lightcone at S1 (since I obviously don't have the SW event LC).
Jingliu can hit exactly 100% def shred with sig LC, quantum set and E5 pela if she has def shred LC S5. Pela ult(42%) + Pela LC(16%) + Pela tech(20%) + Jingliu LC(12%) + quant set(10% without quant weak) 100% def shred equates to 110% dmg increase and pela herself contributes 58%-78% depending on technique uptime which equates to about 44%-69% dmg increase.
I have E6 Pela w/ nigh maxed Talents (12/11/11). Absolutely broken. She not only has insane energy regen, she perfectly synergizes w/ Jingliu w/ Ice Res shred, has AoE shred, SP efficient and can act as a Sub DPS w/ the right substats (64/104, becomes 76/144 w/ FX E1). I, personally, always felt like SW was overvalued and now the reality is finally starting to set in lol EDIT: I forgot she increases the EHR of your team because of course she does.
I always thought of her as a nice free def shred and after I build her I realized she hits like a truck on her own. But now I need to change the light cone after seeing this
The only thing I hate about Pela is that... She's E12 or E13 in my account.😂😂😂 Amazing unit btw, I use her with 4pcs Wind. 100% uptime def shred and skill point generator, yes please.
you're convincing me to not pull for silver wolf next patch but i dont know anymore as i dont want argenti or huohuo and same with 1.6. MAYBE ruan mei but im not sure. i have jingliu on the genius quantum set and was thinking of using SW with jingliu so i can always have ice weakness AND quantum weakness on an enemy if they already have 1 of the 2 elements. do i still pull or no? i also have jing yuan, dhil, clara. could do mono dhil team with yukong but idk :/
Honestly I agree with this opinion and I've had it before Gacha but when he plays that Legend of Legaia music in the back it just boosts the validity by 500
I built my pela with err and super speedy I have pretty much 100% ult uptime and I use her with jingliu so I can casually go with remembrance and have these 2 destroy everything easily the only downside pela has is that autobattle is seemingly unable to use anything else than skill on her unless it got no skill points
Its all great and all but the "before the tutorial mission" lightcone isnt avalable anymore, unless theyll do another event or add it to the standart pool but even then no way in hell newcomers can bring it to S5.
8:28 I must be missing something. I use Pela's technique but I don't get the energy from it, I see 55 energy. Could it be I need someone to debuff with her, like Jingliu (whom I don't have q.q)? edit: just tested with dr. ratio technique and I got to 63 energy (not 66 because of low traces). Looks like for Pela's technique to give energy at the start you need one character to also debuff with their technique, like Jingliu or Dr. Ratio (tested with Sampo - didn't work)
Pela has built-in faster ER with her talent, buff removal, Ice Res Reduc, and AoE Def Shred galore. SW can Implant Elemental Weakness, debuff SPD, ATK, DEF (more useful against high spd/hard hitting enemies which helps in mitigating issues with sustain). Her skill can also give elemental res reduc which is practically a boost to all-type elemental dmg like the planar ornament orb. And assuming you can implant Quantum Weakness reliably, she's an arguably fast toughness breaker with ult spam through the ER gains from her f2p LC. The quantum toughness break has come in clutch for me many times against attacks that need charging from enemies. I use them both on each of my two teams in MoC as def shredders and they have their own viabilities. Pela is definitely more reliable but in terms of dmg boost I tend to rely on SW more I use Pela w/ Clara SW w/ Seele or Welt Though I sometimes switch the def shredders depending on the enemy types
I never used SW because of her defense down, I only use her for her weakness switch skill. I get that pela may be better for the defense shred... but that's not why I use SW ( nor do I think it is her biggest selling point). I know some will see the weakness switch as unneeded, but to me it is still the most unique skill in the game. Am I saying SW is a must pull? no... but if she is not a must pull...no one is.
problem with SW is her single target nature, she really falls off as everyone gets more characters to play with, pela is basically a 5 star dressed as a 4 star, with both def shred and stripping buffs and also being skill point positive
@@dariel299 I don't see it as a problem at all TBH.... I'm not trying to "debuff a lot of mobs"... what usually gives me trouble is a boss and I use her to modify the boss weakness. And if she could add a specific weakness to everyone at the same time should would be extremely broken. I'm sure it is a big deal for people wanting to "0 cycle" things.... but I'm fine with just clearing it. (besides, with my Gear, I could never 0 cycle even with the "best team"... but that's more about my gear luck than anything else)
@@ricardokojin7 anyhow end of the day SW is good early on but falls off as u get more characters and the weakness implant doesnt matter ,its more on the current meta of the game where all the content whether its bossing and farming are AOE or at least 3 enemies on the field hence why single target characters aren't as high on the tier list as bfr
@@dariel299 I'm a day one player (that puts some* money in the game)... and to me weakness implant still matters. Not all the time, but sometimes. Like I said, it is fine to say she is not a must pull, but considering she is the only unit capable of doing what she does and less likely to be power crept ( I don't see a "multi target weakness implant" coming out anytime soon )....then no other unit can be called a must pull. In fact, the whole "but falls off as u get more characters" applies to everything in the game... yeah, if you have every latest unit you can get around anything without gimmicks... what a surprise.
@@ricardokojin7 to each their own, im a day 1 player as well(dont see the relevance of mentioning this) , and i do have SW and indeed she has fallen off from all my content except MOC for 2nd team lol, with that said the actual op mechanic in the game right now is Def shred, SW is already being powercreep once her weakness implant doesnt matter
I seen people crying about Mihoyo not bringing festering desire back for Furina so I wouldn’t put it past them not to bring the light cone back lol. Also since launch I always saw Pelas potential of being like the xiangling, Bennet or xingqiu of this game
After having both pela and silverwolf. I find it easier to use Pela as imo she’s more SP positive. I almost never use silverwolf unless I run in swarm disaster for fun or simulated universe
Pela is more sp positive?? You have to skill almost every turn since her def shred is on her ult and lasts 2 turns only. SW doesn't have to this at all, she has high elemental penetration on her skill alone and a higher and longer lasting def debuff on her ult being 3 turns. You glazing pela brah
I think it depends. SW + Fu Xuan can enable the deadly mono quantum combo which is insane. Outside that, I think Pela is generally better than SW at E0, however, if you wanna commit any further into SW, getting further Eidolons on her will blow out of the water anything Pela can do.
SW is still better imo, with her she lets us ignore the type system to a degree. You don't like any lightning/wind/imaginary character? Well don't pull for them, use SW and bam there she fixes your problem ez. So basically SW gives SO MUCH flexibility for the characters you pull I'd still say she's EXTREMELY valuable to have. Maybe she's not the best for speedrun or anything but for flexibility I'd go as far as to say she's the best after the 2 sustain gods.
love the vid! makes me wanna build mine now! could you show what stats are on the relics like the body and boots? i guess speed boots but chest i have no clue crit rate?
This is why I tell new players Silver Wolf are not must pull. Sure she provide better QOL but you can live without her just fine. Pull her only if you really like her design.
Honestly though, a "must pull" unit simply does not exist in star rail. I think silver wolf is still the best character in the game at getting you on your feet and clearing moc stages as soon as possible, something even gacha smack himself says, but at the end of the day there's so many good characters, and the best pull advice i can give is honestly just "pull whatever fills a hole in your roster".
Here is a question Gacha Smack, I have a Guarantee should I pull for Huo Huo or Sw. I really want to pull for Ruan Mei but my account has Fu Xuan as a Sustainer but is it ok for me to skip both banners and stick with Pela. I don't have Jing Liu (coz lost 50 50) or Dan Heng IL or Blade. It's Seele, Clara and Kafka damage dealers but I do have a Bronya though.
Also the annoying part about using SW on a mono quantum with bronya is that SW will always give wind weakness instead of quantum after using her skill like 3 times lol
i plan to pickup a SW but it will be for very niche situation for example i have a topaz and lets say the new followup attacker would be awesome to pair her with but wrong element..? then in some cases if the enemy already has quantum n one of the additional weaknesses then i might slot in SW.. at this point its more having extra options rather than actually needing her and my pela is pretty much glued to my jingliu team
Pela is absolutely great. I'm very glad she's getting lots of love lately. Besides the DEF shredding being massive, there's also 3:21 to show why she's the best.
I can give a tip for you.. if the enemy has Wind/Electric/Quantum weakness, and you want to apply Fire.. simple.. just bring a team with 3 of those boss weakness, for example like Bronya, Serval, SW, and a Fire unit.. just because you bring those 3 units that has all the element weakness of the boss.. SW will guaranteed to apply Fire weakness. Simple.
@@BaschBarragenot as simple as that when u dont have the necessary characters levelled. Takes weeks to level up one character to a usable state. And sometimes some hyper carries need their special support char eg JL with Tingyun to prolong her enhanced state. So you’re kinda stuck with certain comp.
@@akmalahmad2365 well, I mean with that logic alone, about not a lot of players have every necessary character leveled, is also the same reason why SilverWolf is very valuable, why, because they can just use the current HyperCarry that they already Maxed, since SilverWolf can help apply the weakness.. instead of waiting for weeks and months to get good relics and enough traces to make other HyperCarry of that certain element work, Trailblaze Power is pretty limited from day to day, so it sure does takes time. Easy, just bring SilverWolf, problem solved. Btw, this is a Turn Based tactical game, anything can work, its not that deep.
@@BaschBarrage yeah the game is easy even without SW. I have her and didn’t bother to use her because her weakness application is shit if u don’t have the right element. Having lost 4 times in a row when applying the correct element feels terrible. Waste of skill point.
@@akmalahmad2365 its not about whether you are using her now or not, the point that Im saying is, she is valuable for most players who dont have every unit built. Btw this is funny, when I told HSR players why SW is good, they disagree and say "Hoyo give use 4stars with every element so why do you even need SW", so I answered with the same logic yougave saying "not a lot of players has necessary characters levelled therefor SW is valuable and helpful".. and now in this comment when I try to give tips based on the same logics of those who disagree with me by implying everyone have all 4stars of every element built, and now here we are, you gave the same reason I gave them.. I mean, no matter what I say, y'all will never be happy lmao.
I’ll sent that video right to my buddies who thought I’m insane to use an energy rope on her. They said easy damage build, i said more Pela ult=more dmg
I'm enjoying her as well since i built her last week since i have her already at e4, why not. Plus im skipping 1.5 so here's my chance to build these supports i have. I have her paired with JL and yes she is soo good. I use her more often now than my SW.
I started playing this game a few days before that SW event light cone went away. I pulled SW and was forced to try for her SigLC, which i got lucky on. Still, i wish i had that event one. Maybe Hoyo will show mercy and reintroduce it somehow.
I use my Pela more than my SW. With the rise of Destruction characters, Pela’s value really skyrocketed. Plus that buff removal is just so clutch. Had SW’s Ult been AoE, she would have remained supreme.
Star rail, constantly power creeping older characters. My girl Silver will be useless in a year when Single target doesn't exist and there are 5 characters that can mass def shred first turn... everyone said she was op when she released and I got her because I like her, but I always knew Single target would be a major weakness. Can't wait to see a future 5* def shred with the same one as Silver buts it's aoe.
she'll be useless once your account already covers elemental weaknesses. as the game proceeds you will gain more units, more access to different elements. - that's where SW gets benched totally unlike pela who can do AOE, and get her ult up back 100% uptime
When or if elements start mattering more, then silver wolf will shine more. Also if the MOC goes towards a more single target focus at some point her def shred will work just fine
As someone who got silver wolf from this 1.5 update… I can safely say… at least for me that pela is indeed better than silver wolf… in most circumstances. I was fully ready to replace my pela for sw for my jingliu and while I do switch sw in some times I use pela more. At least for jingliu. The AOE def shred from pela is just nuts on top the ice shred
Is defense different to resistance? Like a separate multiplier or does it just reduce the effectiveness of defense shredding. In another game I play they have defense and resistance listed using different words but they act as the same multiplier so I'm not sure how it works in Star Rail.
Resistance is resistance to something. Cocolia has Ice resist meaning she receives lower Ice damage. Phantylia has Quantum resistance so she receives lower quantum damage.
I prefer the def shred lc as the other lc is used by my SW and I'm running break effect rope on SW so she needs the extra regen. Also, the extra def shreds from autos is helpful in longer fights
Its like every creator is out to get SW nowadays huh, hate to see it. Pela and SW fulfil different rolls for different set ups. Pela only rlly seems better if ur running one of the many meta slave aoe teams and ik cause im running her with Jl. Pela is next to useless on my secondary Topaz team though which focuses more on quick st bursts.
I'm so sick of hearing how good the event exclusive LC is. Literally who are you preaching to? Everyone who has this S5 LC knows how good it is on Pela. All this does is make newcomers hate the game and the people flexing this crap.
Wait until she can use the Penacony set, Resolution LC and have a 2 turn rotation while staying SP neutral, giving 10% dmg and 16% DEF shread (if you kill 3 enemies - easy)
Listening to both sides between you and my friend who was on the opposite side before, I'm going to say this. Pela is generally better right now, however, speed running MoC is not the only thing that matters in the game at the moment. There is also Swarm which of course, she's good in there but SW ends up generally being better because of the tankiness of the boss itself, in addition, she is going to be very much replaceable in the future. I understand that first and foremost she is a support and her energy regeneration, SP generation and ice shred on E4 are good things along with the buff removal is good, however, her kit feels like it is missing a lot in terms of being whole. Tingyun, for example, her entire kit compliment itself. Her E6 gives more energy to the DPS, her E2 gives more energy via a kill to the DPS, E1 more speed, A2 gives her more speed for more SP, you get the idea and for four stars this is important. Pela's E2 is lackluster and her E6 does not help her at all. Her A2 is useless as well because the numbers in her kit are not geared towards doing any form of damage, yet she has ATK% traces and ice% traces which we know most characters have one arguably dead stat like defense or HP, but Pela even built as a DPS or sub DPS doesn't put out impressive numbers in the slightest. What does this lead to? Her kit feeling disjointed and half-baked. I used to be a Yanqing main and used both SW and Pela on the same team together and while my build for Pela was half-assed at best, it kind of put into perspective that her personal damage is low, and by comparison, Guin can give you 100% uptime on a roughly equal level to Pela while having better personal damage. Of course, damage isn't everything, but again, half of Pela's kit feels entirely useless. She batteries herself for her ultimate, and that's it. Without her ultimate being good, she'd be dead as a character. Even if Tingyun didn't have a battery in her ultimate her DMG% and ATK% for your DPS on a budget would be able to be crept easily, but still have a place. That battery will keep Tingyun pumping even when more battery supports come out if others do come out. And even with the buff removal specifically, if you want just that for a specific boss Luka also provides that and better personal damage as well. SW, by comparison is yes, worse for speed running, but has much more going for her with an actually focused and better designed kit. Pela has one defense shred on her ultimate for AoE, SW, on the other hand even if she is only ST has a talent that has three different debuffs with three different benefits. A better defense shredding ultimate even if it is only in ST and only 5% more and then her skill being the big one. Even ignoring the weakness implant from a miss, the 10-13% all resistance shred is much more general than Pela's E4, is baked in no eidolons needed regardless of how common Pela is in this game, I mean prior to Aetherium Wars she was already borderline F2P but I digress. Obviously on element content they will outshine one another in that specific role, but SW's kit, even if it is a luxury at the end of the day will lack the test of time longer. Pela has one thing which is her ultimate. Once a character can basically do that but better be it four star or five star doesn't really matter she'll be losing a few places in the game. Plus, another important thing to mention is this. Pela's LC options are utterly ABYSMAL and are basically Blade level in terms of viable options. If you started after the event for Tutorial, your options consist of Pearls.... and that's it until SW comes back around and if you're unlucky, well guess your Pela has a LC that basically does nothing for her on your team or for her personally. Not everyone has so much as Pearls and many people started post 1.1 so Tutorial isn't an option, and without it, she can't get that first turn ultimate in MoC unless you skill with her because she comes up exactly 8 energy short, unless you hit 4-5 enemies. Beyond being simple stat sticks SW does have some less effective but alternate options like In the Name of the World covering her skill's high EHR demand, Fermata or Solitary Healing being fat BE stat sticks if needed, Eyes of the Prey for EHR, you get the idea. Other than Eyes for EHR Pela can't use any of these because BE on her isn't good like it is on SW. Offensive stats don't do much for her otherwise so tank is the best option kind of by default because you don't have other choices. SW even without eidolons as you have pointed out does very respectable damage with BE and it has the added benefit of putting enemies much further back extending the break duration for more benefit and while yes, Pela could do the same thing it isn't as potent because freeze doesn't do that much damage and because of the action refund the frozen enemy gets back, which okay, entanglement only lasts until the enemy goes, but that can most times just finish them off anyway. And finally, the last thing I'll say is the most obvious thing. MoC needs two teams. You only have Pela for a single side regardless and there are several people, myself included, that still lack Bronya for a 'braindead easy' slap on support. The main place Pela can shine over SW, at least if you ask me, for general use besides ice weak content is double elite content or specific enemy buffs like Shapeshifters. Most of the time the DPS can just as a byproduct kill the trash mobs while still focusing on the elite except for hunt characters which, by default Pela is always worse with. I say all this because saying that Pela is blanket better than SW is simply false. They both shine better than one another in different situations and different circumstances. And while the title might be clickbait, from an argument standpoint it simply is not the case. Jingliu is a character that is blanket stronger than Yanqing in basically every case and scenario, but here? I simply have to disagree with you.
She isn't. You can bring SW in mindlessly for the weakness on the boss for off-element DPS so it isn't subject to first plane RNG and Hell Is Other People trumps anything Pela can do.
@@DigitalBlizzNX killing the bugs faster literally let’s you do more damage to the boss than shredding the boss specifically. I use both and I can tell you specifically that Pela is 100% better there
I Don't even Need Pela to Zero Cycle with my 105 SPD Jingliu (In the 1.3 and 1.4 MOC (Even with Decaying shadow not being Weak to Ice) She could still get it done right before the 29th cycle could Tick down) I did it with a Bronya and Tingyun and It might even become easier if you switch Fu (Who I used with them) For Huohuo's Battery) Which Tells me they need to Buff the HP DEF and Introduce Damage Reduction if they are not weak to that Element/Higher DMG Reduction if they are Resistant to that element to make Brute forcing over using SW/the RIght Element a more Viable option over Brute forcing with said Broken Character (because I am not even Serious about Trying to Zero Cycle with any of my Charcters but she can do it so effortlessly with Bronya or even without Bronya if you have her at the SPD Breakpoint needed to take two turns in 1 cycle)
I just use both of them. I use pela more for MoC, silver more for my main simulated/swarm teams. I knew silver would slowly lose value as we got more units, but she hard carried me for so long since I didn't have a 5 star dps until Blade that I'm still glad I pulled.
*grabs popcorn*
ah yes silence before the storm XD
No more content i guess. 🤷 Bullshit
And a beer.
Well both have pros and cons.. Pela can debuff all enemies, but she cant apply element weakness.. SilverWolf can only debuff one enemy, but she can apply weakness(kind of QOL for new players) and also she can apply other debuff with her attacks too.. therefor they are both good in their own category.. you cant have SW do debuff all enemies and also apply weakness, because that will be broken.. so, the conclusion is both units has Pros and Cons. With all that being said, I use Pela with my Jingliu team, and SilverWolf on my second team. If theres only 2 units of these big Defense Shred Debuff, then why are we all arguing about which is better, because you can use both of them in both team, lol.. problem solved.
I don't think you even need to grab popcorn, pela is better than SW, it's just mono copetum fanboys thinking otherwise. Even some CN TCs are starting to say pela>sw.
what's even great about Pela is you could build her like a tank and still def shred like crazy. her ice res reduction makes jingliu do more dmg.
Agreed
I remember when I started the game I got E2 Pela and she's been carrying me since. I never regretted investing in her
E6 on her with 133% Hit rate.
Same I didn’t try to get her E6 but she kept popping up. So I went with it and she is so good🙌
I'm so glad I've seen her potential since the beginning of the game & skipped SW to save up for future units. Happy to see my girl receiving the appreciation she deserves!
Me too 🎉 and now she's E6 because she spammed me with her eidolons somehow 😂
Same 4 my Quinque. They said i was a madman when i mained her, and threw Seele memes in my face 💀
Same, once i understood diminishing returns i realized very early in the game that best comps in HSR are made of one main dps, 1 buffer, 1 debuffer in this case pella and a healer/tank (like Fuxan or a jacked Gepard) as i remember twitch streamers recomend so many stupid team comps like some using thingyuan and bronya togheter and such...
It's fair to say that in a turn-based game having access to defense shred is always valuable especially if it's as high as 40% and with it being permanently up AND aoe, calling pela 5 star is basically an understatement at this point.
but at the same time having elemenal manipulation is almost unheard of in turn based games and is extremly potent not just in a gacha sense but just game design sense especially in the case of SW who's a single target dps in disguise .
Also if they add elemental counter effects ( like in pokemon ) then SW will only gain more value.
TLDR, literally no one should regret pulling SW nor should they ignore pela.
Imo they fill different niches but just happen to overlap in the def shred part.
@jilvermazariegos lol...well he hates SW and loves pela so I think he'll like what he hears on this one 🤔🤔
@@shotgunshogun4707 he believes that SW is the most broken character in the game lol. He wont like it when his trash takes are proven wrong.
@vanilla9886 Well, in a sense, he's right about her being broken.
That being said, he is wrong about having her being equal to : "easy mode/no skill required anymore."
Ur not gonna suddenly become Jesus with her if ur account isn't managed well even if she helps u preserve resources.
Also, Smack isn't slandering SW here ( even if it seems like it). He's simply showing people why pela is cracked and he's right about that.
thats not a trash take, just unfair from tect seeing as he has fu xuan@@vanilla9886
Here we go with the 1.1 event LC again, man as a PS5 player this hurts so much its literally the only thing that my Pela is missing to be 100% cracked.
Use Pearls of Sweat if you have it
They really need to bring that Silver Wolf LC back even if is ony for newbies to get one S1 copy. The utility behind it it's insane.
Nah if I can't get Festering Desire for Furina in Genshin then the newbies shouldn't get the SW LC lol
@@Flare8124 Except Genshin released on all platforms at the same time and Star Rail didn't
@@Flare8124so you saying HSR Players shouldn’t get Favoritism when they missed out the chance of getting the LightCone?
Pela also amazing skill point battery, give her as much speed as possible with wind set for more turn cycling.
The change in moc since 1.3(having 2 waves instead of 3) made her technique even more valueable
Good vid. About the Light Cone, my only caveat is that not everyone has access to "Before the Tutorial Mission Starts" unfortunately.
Silver wolf's 4* LC right ? Only day 1 players have it to S5.
Yes
Use your skill at the start of battle to get your Ult up
My Tutorial LC is on SW while I use the def shred on Pela
I also had my Pela built as sub-dps with 1:2 crit ratio but I changed it to a tank build to sustain MoC 10 enemies and Jingliu health drain. Im so obsessed with the 10% crit dmg given by Keel because not only does it stack with other character's Keel, it forces you to give Effect RES to supports so they wont get CC'd easily. It just fits the name "Broken" Keel so well
Hp or def?
@@dopelope8112 both as long as she reaches 3.5k HP and 1k DEF
Do you need the def if you just build more hp on her ?
@@JaxDaxits good to have both. EHP is the idea here. Around 2:1 ratio hp/def
new planar set is gonna be better on her if shes in ur JL team
Bringing back silverwolf’s event LC? *cries in Cinnabar Spindle*
Tru though, I love SW and still gonna use her whenever I feel like it. Her implant weakness is her exclusive feature but at this point hoyo aldy release limited character (dmg unit) for all element. Once you covering all element (you will in the future) SW exclusive feature will drop to the point it become unescessary.
Even if more unit comes in future for all type, SW weakness will still very potent for Mono QUA. You can run mono QUA and ignore whole elements sys for one team in your teams. Bit lazy play, but work which would help ease a bit on making teams, which I guess could be unnecessary or still extremely nice depend on personal opinion.
Technically we still waiting for QUA Harmony. Which is soon, my “dreams” tells me after Ruan Mei. Running Lynx and FX don’t count imo. It’s like running March and Gepard at same time.
Once again, thank god I found your channel. I've been sleeping on Pela but I think I gotta try her out after watching this. That's super crazy.
Both have pros and cons. Which one is better depends on both the comp and the fight in question. This MoC, I did make more use of Pela, but a big reason for that is because both Silver Wolf and pela enabled 0 cycles for me for my Jingliu team and I didn't feel the need to continually swap gears (for speed tuning purposes) between them when either fit the bill. I used Silver Wolf together with QQ against the Deer on MoC 9 though while my Jingliu team 0 cycled the first fight.
As for Pearls vs. Tutorial, Pela's on avg. dmg contribution via her debuffs is higher on Pearls so long as it's S3 or higher. But, yes, that comes at a cost of either needing to skill sometimes (you do anyways with Jingliu to apply the ice resist debuff from E4, so this is moot), or needing to get kills to proc her E1 to get the last energy you need to Ult, or just delaying the Ult since often times you will already be in killing range after the previous Ult. If you absolutely can't skill in a comp and if there are not any adds to be killed for extra energy in a timely fashion, sure, Tutorial is really nice for those situations. But, in general, I find myself using Pearls S5 far more often than tutorial on her to greater effect.
Pela with the 4 wind set and regen + forward at start energy rope set is just crazy man. My Pela is a speed demon and has her ult up and ready to go all the time too. When I got Jing Liu I wasn't expecting that I would be building my Pela too, but glad I did, because I happened to have godly wind gear specifically S-tier for her, and now she not only has turns all the time(150~ speed). But she also got 4k hp and still does tremendous amount of damage herself as well(e6).
Most broken damage support ever, and anything with ice weakness is beyond screwed.
Yeah, Pela is great; I have her. I also skipped SW on her first banner, but I think her unique feature, weakness implant, is still nice. It lets you break enemies, which can be a lifesaver, especially if an enemy is about to release a damaging AOE attack. You can stop that by breaking its weakness.
I hope they bring back that Tutorial Mission light cone with Silver Wolf's rerun. I just started the game recently and I missed out on it.
I've been thinking of going for sub-dps since I have E6 Pela, cause honestly all her Ascension Traces and Eidolons seem to lead that way, a bit of a strange approach to her kit but I don't mind since it also means she's completely viable at E0 for newer players.
A video like this coming out at this time is huge to be honest,
I'm glad some of these older units are actually getting the limelight.
Qingque was slept on for so long, now the most busted 4* damage dealer ever.
Pela being downgraded for so long is now shinning after people realized that Defense Shred is just nuts along with the 3+ enemy fights becoming more of a thing rather than single target, and, if people were pulling on these banners with her on it, they will MORE THAN LIKELY, have her E6'd already.
She needs E6 to be stronger.
@@saimyintmyat9373 everyone gets C6 pela after a while. she'll have more reruns since she's a 4star
@@lsnexus2080 most players have her at around E20.
@@saimyintmyat9373 most likely :)
Nah, pela always was good, but sw simps thought she is rubbish.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE 'BEFORE TUTORIAL'😭😭
Please suggest other LCs for Pela
Pearls of Sweat.
Luka lc
I'm glad someone else agrees with me on this. When the game came out I would say this to my friends and they all told me I was stupid.
Meta slave be like.
@@saimyintmyat9373 🥲
Just something to note: while I agree with most things being said here, I think Silver Wolf still have something Pela doesn't, which is the duration and the number of her debuffs.
- Most of SW debuffs last 3 turns, Pela's last 2. This is very comfy with bosses who keep having their turn pushed up. Of course you can time your skill right to mitigate this. But again, it's about comfort, and SW's longer duration is a bit more forgiving. This is not to mention one of SW's bug is a Spd down, which helps with the longevity of her debuffs. She does take more turn to recharge her Ult, as the video shown, so there's that too.
- SW have a base of 6 debuffs in her kit: 3 random bugs, a RES shred + 1 conditional (implanting a weakness the enemy does not have) RES shred, and a Def shred. Pela has 2 Def shreds, 3 with E4. I'm saying this because (spoiler warning) there ought to be future characters who scale off the number of debuffs the opponent has. If, or when, this character is out, and they want more than 2 or 3 debuffs, SW's value might get an increase. Subjected to if this character have a cap on the number of debuffs they can benefit from, of course. Pela can mitigate this by using Pearl of Sweat, but you will be sacrificing the 8 energy from Before the Tutorial that allows her to be an SP generator. And no, you can't do 3 basics to Ult with Pela bc her debuffs only last 2 turns.
+ Given, Pela can still be competitive with SW, first-turn speaking. If we are talking about using a technique and a skill (and an Ult in Pela's case) first turn, SW can apply 2 bugs and 1 RES shred (maybe 2?); Pela can apply all 3 of her debuffs, which is comparable. Second wave though, if we are still talking Ult and Skill, Pela is down to 2 and SW is up to 4.
So...yea, I wouldn't say Pela is BETTER. She's...comparable, and using her will have caveats that players need to be aware of.
I appreciate you making this kind of content. Very objective and has given me a lot to think about. I think in these kinds of games since you can clear the content quickly and efficiently either way, it’s important to use who you enjoy playing with more. But with that said, min-maxing and using who’s objectively best in slot is fun too for a lot of people including myself. Thanks smack
I absolutely 100% agree with you, Smack. Been using my Pela a lot lately while my Silverwolf has been collecting dust in my inventory
At 8:10 I believe that Pela only got extra energy because she broke an enemy's weakness, because I used Pela's technique on the 2nd half and my energy bar was only half-full at 55/110. She also has 88 EHR with SW event LC and ERR rope.
Your trace talent level must be low, because pela does not have a "generate energy on weakness break"
Tested with my ungeared pela + ERR rope + SW Event LC and also gotten 66/110 like his.
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 Did you get 66/110 on the 1st half or the 2nd half of MOC10? I have gotten 67/110 on 1st half, but only 55/110 on 2nd half using Pela's technique.
@@strakyman hmm.. let me check... don't have energy to be clearing stage to test on 2nd half as im sick from covid, so I tested on MOC7, non-ice weakness and I still get 66/110, your Pela shouldn't be getting different values... try check ur LC or u swapped ur gears ard.
@@strakyman her technique only reduces defense, so that won't affect her energy gain at all, only from trace/event LC/ERR rope
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 I used Pela technique on MOC7 1st half, and I only got 55/110. She has S5 Event LC, level 10 talent, ERR rope, and Sprightly Vonwacq.
another banger vid smack, now im motivated to build my e6 pela after i finish tingyun :DD
There is a point to be made that Pela could be a sleeper 5 star Unit. (It's Just she's a 4* so Hoyo can Slap her on to every Banner Imaginable)
Sleeper unit?
Well same situation with bennet, xingque, xiangling
@@JaxDax Until now where we realize that
is the wind set good on pela or should i use random stat artifacts?
Wind set is good, anyone that's Ultas every other turn can get good benefits from wind set.
Pela has been putting in work on my account. Black Swan powercreeps her as Nihility Wind Defense shredder. But I'll have to skip her; I want Dr. Ratio & Hanabi. Good luck on your pulls y'all 😄
Equipping Belobog of Architects to Pela is big brain. Thanks for sharing the tip!
Pela complements multiple DPS compositions very well. I still need Silver Wolf though for that weakness implant. Luka is my single-target defense shred unit for now with the Resolution LC. 😅
Thanks for the explanation, ill give it a try as I was building my pela differently but this showcase looks good
I'm pretty sure they changed this somehow in 1.6 I've got my pela with 124 energy recharge and she doesn't gain energy anymore when going into battle with technique
I am having same issue, my pela starts with 55 energy after using technique (119 energy on pela+ SW lightcone)
Was this whole video based on a limited event lightcone that we can’t get anymore? Okay…. So what if we don’t have it? Now what?
If you don’t have it then use your Pela skill to get your Ult up in the first cycle
Meanwhile Silverwolf can’t do it no matter what and suffers even more without that LC
E4 pela is cracked for any ice dps like DAYM, the aoe defense down is already mad nice but you're also getting ice res down
Perfect for Jingliu and any new ice dps in future.
I’m pulling on her banner just for hanya and lynx. If I end up getting a 5 star I would rather get her than argenti lol
Yeah Pela just feels good to use, simple and effective kit and even without using skill it feels like she gets her ult often. SW is the only character I’ve pulled so far that I kind of regret, not cause she’s bad I just haven’t used her as much as I expected, she’s still good with Seele and can enable a mono quantum team for me at some point but I’ve just found myself using Pela way more
One of the best of the best video for F2p. Pella is so versatile to either be a debuff or support dps!
If you just want the def break absolutely pela is better but Blade is my favorite dps by far and SW lets me use him anywhere I want which obviously pela can’t do.
How so? :0 He has been doing great for me, even if I don't have SW... and just recently started building Pela (yesterdayhahshs).
@@Steel12able True, I can vouch for that. I've been fighting Cocolia with him as a dps and all, and she is Wind Res
Wasn't playing at the beginning of the game (arrived during Kafka's banner) and grabbed Pela from the shop as soon as I could. Never regretted it, she's amazing. I know SW is a good unit but I won't need her long term since you can either brute force content or will have enough different DPS to deal with the different elements at some point. Pela on the other hand? What she does is simple but she does it well. She's never left my team ever since I got her, and she's on Luka's lightcone at S1 (since I obviously don't have the SW event LC).
Jingliu can hit exactly 100% def shred with sig LC, quantum set and E5 pela if she has def shred LC S5.
Pela ult(42%) + Pela LC(16%) + Pela tech(20%) + Jingliu LC(12%) + quant set(10% without quant weak)
100% def shred equates to 110% dmg increase and pela herself contributes 58%-78% depending on technique uptime which equates to about 44%-69% dmg increase.
I love breakdown videos on stuff like this .
Great video is Def shred the same as the break effect or can it be combined
I have E6 Pela w/ nigh maxed Talents (12/11/11). Absolutely broken. She not only has insane energy regen, she perfectly synergizes w/ Jingliu w/ Ice Res shred, has AoE shred, SP efficient and can act as a Sub DPS w/ the right substats (64/104, becomes 76/144 w/ FX E1). I, personally, always felt like SW was overvalued and now the reality is finally starting to set in lol
EDIT: I forgot she increases the EHR of your team because of course she does.
That technique opening doesnt work anymore,i have SW lightcone+119ER on pela
I always thought of her as a nice free def shred and after I build her I realized she hits like a truck on her own. But now I need to change the light cone after seeing this
The only thing I hate about Pela is that... She's E12 or E13 in my account.😂😂😂
Amazing unit btw, I use her with 4pcs Wind. 100% uptime def shred and skill point generator, yes please.
you're convincing me to not pull for silver wolf next patch but i dont know anymore as i dont want argenti or huohuo and same with 1.6. MAYBE ruan mei but im not sure. i have jingliu on the genius quantum set and was thinking of using SW with jingliu so i can always have ice weakness AND quantum weakness on an enemy if they already have 1 of the 2 elements. do i still pull or no? i also have jing yuan, dhil, clara. could do mono dhil team with yukong but idk :/
If you want Hanya: Rolling a few pulls onto her Banner is not bad unless you change your mind on Argenti. If she's what you'd rather risk.
yeah i want hanya/lynx copies, maybe i will pull for sw, she's a good universal support@@IdeasAreBulletproof
Honestly I agree with this opinion and I've had it before Gacha but when he plays that Legend of Legaia music in the back it just boosts the validity by 500
I built my pela with err and super speedy I have pretty much 100% ult uptime and I use her with jingliu so I can casually go with remembrance and have these 2 destroy everything easily the only downside pela has is that autobattle is seemingly unable to use anything else than skill on her unless it got no skill points
Its all great and all but the "before the tutorial mission" lightcone isnt avalable anymore, unless theyll do another event or add it to the standart pool but even then no way in hell newcomers can bring it to S5.
Yeah, wish people would stop talking about it. Make a note that it’s sexy and then move along to what people can actually get.
@@ezraek2043 from what ive read today hoyo never did a event weapon rerun in genshin, so chances are literally zero.
@@vault29a no they hab alo wha? XD they did it in genshin an hab in star rail now too
8:28 I must be missing something. I use Pela's technique but I don't get the energy from it, I see 55 energy. Could it be I need someone to debuff with her, like Jingliu (whom I don't have q.q)?
edit: just tested with dr. ratio technique and I got to 63 energy (not 66 because of low traces). Looks like for Pela's technique to give energy at the start you need one character to also debuff with their technique, like Jingliu or Dr. Ratio (tested with Sampo - didn't work)
Pela has built-in faster ER with her talent, buff removal, Ice Res Reduc, and AoE Def Shred galore.
SW can Implant Elemental Weakness, debuff SPD, ATK, DEF (more useful against high spd/hard hitting enemies which helps in mitigating issues with sustain). Her skill can also give elemental res reduc which is practically a boost to all-type elemental dmg like the planar ornament orb. And assuming you can implant Quantum Weakness reliably, she's an arguably fast toughness breaker with ult spam through the ER gains from her f2p LC. The quantum toughness break has come in clutch for me many times against attacks that need charging from enemies.
I use them both on each of my two teams in MoC as def shredders and they have their own viabilities. Pela is definitely more reliable but in terms of dmg boost I tend to rely on SW more
I use Pela w/ Clara
SW w/ Seele or Welt
Though I sometimes switch the def shredders depending on the enemy types
I never used SW because of her defense down, I only use her for her weakness switch skill. I get that pela may be better for the defense shred... but that's not why I use SW ( nor do I think it is her biggest selling point).
I know some will see the weakness switch as unneeded, but to me it is still the most unique skill in the game. Am I saying SW is a must pull? no... but if she is not a must pull...no one is.
problem with SW is her single target nature, she really falls off as everyone gets more characters to play with, pela is basically a 5 star dressed as a 4 star, with both def shred and stripping buffs and also being skill point positive
@@dariel299 I don't see it as a problem at all TBH.... I'm not trying to "debuff a lot of mobs"... what usually gives me trouble is a boss and I use her to modify the boss weakness. And if she could add a specific weakness to everyone at the same time should would be extremely broken.
I'm sure it is a big deal for people wanting to "0 cycle" things.... but I'm fine with just clearing it.
(besides, with my Gear, I could never 0 cycle even with the "best team"... but that's more about my gear luck than anything else)
@@ricardokojin7 anyhow end of the day SW is good early on but falls off as u get more characters and the weakness implant doesnt matter ,its more on the current meta of the game where all the content whether its bossing and farming are AOE or at least 3 enemies on the field hence why single target characters aren't as high on the tier list as bfr
@@dariel299 I'm a day one player (that puts some* money in the game)... and to me weakness implant still matters. Not all the time, but sometimes.
Like I said, it is fine to say she is not a must pull, but considering she is the only unit capable of doing what she does and less likely to be power crept ( I don't see a "multi target weakness implant" coming out anytime soon )....then no other unit can be called a must pull.
In fact, the whole "but falls off as u get more characters" applies to everything in the game... yeah, if you have every latest unit you can get around anything without gimmicks... what a surprise.
@@ricardokojin7 to each their own, im a day 1 player as well(dont see the relevance of mentioning this) , and i do have SW and indeed she has fallen off from all my content except MOC for 2nd team lol, with that said the actual op mechanic in the game right now is Def shred, SW is already being powercreep once her weakness implant doesnt matter
I seen people crying about Mihoyo not bringing festering desire back for Furina so I wouldn’t put it past them not to bring the light cone back lol.
Also since launch I always saw Pelas potential of being like the xiangling, Bennet or xingqiu of this game
After having both pela and silverwolf. I find it easier to use Pela as imo she’s more SP positive. I almost never use silverwolf unless I run in swarm disaster for fun or simulated universe
opposite for me since i use auto play mainly. both of them spam their skill but my sw actually does dmg
Pela is more sp positive?? You have to skill almost every turn since her def shred is on her ult and lasts 2 turns only. SW doesn't have to this at all, she has high elemental penetration on her skill alone and a higher and longer lasting def debuff on her ult being 3 turns. You glazing pela brah
@@TeamWhatvr bro how are you on every comment about Pela being better than Silverwolf are you acoustic?
@@moondropsxs Yes, I am very acoustic.
I agree but I need another debuffer for my second team and would be great to use mono quantum with Seele.
No harm in getting both Pela & SW :)
Silverwolf lightcone was not brought back sadly
Won't lie after seeing this video I might pass on silver wold this go around, awesome video, thank you sir!
I think it depends. SW + Fu Xuan can enable the deadly mono quantum combo which is insane. Outside that, I think Pela is generally better than SW at E0, however, if you wanna commit any further into SW, getting further Eidolons on her will blow out of the water anything Pela can do.
Tectone gonna be happy seeing this video
He's Legit gonna Call Silverwolf a Scam
SW is still better imo, with her she lets us ignore the type system to a degree. You don't like any lightning/wind/imaginary character? Well don't pull for them, use SW and bam there she fixes your problem ez. So basically SW gives SO MUCH flexibility for the characters you pull I'd still say she's EXTREMELY valuable to have. Maybe she's not the best for speedrun or anything but for flexibility I'd go as far as to say she's the best after the 2 sustain gods.
love the vid! makes me wanna build mine now! could you show what stats are on the relics like the body and boots? i guess speed boots but chest i have no clue crit rate?
This is why I tell new players Silver Wolf are not must pull. Sure she provide better QOL but you can live without her just fine. Pull her only if you really like her design.
Honestly though, a "must pull" unit simply does not exist in star rail. I think silver wolf is still the best character in the game at getting you on your feet and clearing moc stages as soon as possible, something even gacha smack himself says, but at the end of the day there's so many good characters, and the best pull advice i can give is honestly just "pull whatever fills a hole in your roster".
The best character for getting your MOC clears in a new account is a strong sustain like Fu Xuan
@@beyondbounds6789I think you don't need tanks or healers until floors 8-10
Use both for different scenarios.
Or in pure fiction/MOC, use both in different teams.
Here is a question Gacha Smack, I have a Guarantee should I pull for Huo Huo or Sw. I really want to pull for Ruan Mei but my account has Fu Xuan as a Sustainer but is it ok for me to skip both banners and stick with Pela. I don't have Jing Liu (coz lost 50 50) or Dan Heng IL or Blade. It's Seele, Clara and Kafka damage dealers but I do have a Bronya though.
Also the annoying part about using SW on a mono quantum with bronya is that SW will always give wind weakness instead of quantum after using her skill like 3 times lol
i plan to pickup a SW but it will be for very niche situation for example i have a topaz and lets say the new followup attacker would be awesome to pair her with but wrong element..? then in some cases if the enemy already has quantum n one of the additional weaknesses then i might slot in SW.. at this point its more having extra options rather than actually needing her and my pela is pretty much glued to my jingliu team
Pela is absolutely great. I'm very glad she's getting lots of love lately.
Besides the DEF shredding being massive, there's also 3:21 to show why she's the best.
My 4.5k hp 1.5k def Pela is sitting there intimidatingly applying 40% def shred on everyone every two turns while SW applies the wrong element
I can give a tip for you.. if the enemy has Wind/Electric/Quantum weakness, and you want to apply Fire.. simple.. just bring a team with 3 of those boss weakness, for example like Bronya, Serval, SW, and a Fire unit.. just because you bring those 3 units that has all the element weakness of the boss.. SW will guaranteed to apply Fire weakness. Simple.
@@BaschBarragenot as simple as that when u dont have the necessary characters levelled. Takes weeks to level up one character to a usable state. And sometimes some hyper carries need their special support char eg JL with Tingyun to prolong her enhanced state. So you’re kinda stuck with certain comp.
@@akmalahmad2365 well, I mean with that logic alone, about not a lot of players have every necessary character leveled, is also the same reason why SilverWolf is very valuable, why, because they can just use the current HyperCarry that they already Maxed, since SilverWolf can help apply the weakness.. instead of waiting for weeks and months to get good relics and enough traces to make other HyperCarry of that certain element work, Trailblaze Power is pretty limited from day to day, so it sure does takes time. Easy, just bring SilverWolf, problem solved. Btw, this is a Turn Based tactical game, anything can work, its not that deep.
@@BaschBarrage yeah the game is easy even without SW. I have her and didn’t bother to use her because her weakness application is shit if u don’t have the right element. Having lost 4 times in a row when applying the correct element feels terrible. Waste of skill point.
@@akmalahmad2365 its not about whether you are using her now or not, the point that Im saying is, she is valuable for most players who dont have every unit built. Btw this is funny, when I told HSR players why SW is good, they disagree and say "Hoyo give use 4stars with every element so why do you even need SW", so I answered with the same logic yougave saying "not a lot of players has necessary characters levelled therefor SW is valuable and helpful".. and now in this comment when I try to give tips based on the same logics of those who disagree with me by implying everyone have all 4stars of every element built, and now here we are, you gave the same reason I gave them.. I mean, no matter what I say, y'all will never be happy lmao.
agreed, i v been using her since day. but as someone who have seele n fu xuan, i think sw value is ramping up bcs her synergy with mono quantum.
Silver Wolf 4* light cone is probably never coming back
I’ll sent that video right to my buddies who thought I’m insane to use an energy rope on her.
They said easy damage build, i said more Pela ult=more dmg
I'm pretty sure they won't bring back Silver Wolf's lightcone. Genshin Impact has never rerun any event exclusive weapons.
So what if we don’t have that lightcone? You should explain more different scenarios pls
Im sad... I started at 1.2 so I never got a chance to get the silver wolf f2p light cone..
1.3 here. Pray for a rerun, brother.
@@slowloris2996 I was hoping for a ftp LC rerun (beacause of the ps5)..but I highly doubt it tbh
@@ricardokojin7 A man can dream
I'm enjoying her as well since i built her last week since i have her already at e4, why not. Plus im skipping 1.5 so here's my chance to build these supports i have. I have her paired with JL and yes she is soo good. I use her more often now than my SW.
I started playing this game a few days before that SW event light cone went away. I pulled SW and was forced to try for her SigLC, which i got lucky on. Still, i wish i had that event one. Maybe Hoyo will show mercy and reintroduce it somehow.
I use my Pela more than my SW. With the rise of Destruction characters, Pela’s value really skyrocketed. Plus that buff removal is just so clutch. Had SW’s Ult been AoE, she would have remained supreme.
Wind set on Pela is🤌🤌
Star rail, constantly power creeping older characters. My girl Silver will be useless in a year when Single target doesn't exist and there are 5 characters that can mass def shred first turn... everyone said she was op when she released and I got her because I like her, but I always knew Single target would be a major weakness. Can't wait to see a future 5* def shred with the same one as Silver buts it's aoe.
she'll be useless once your account already covers elemental weaknesses. as the game proceeds you will gain more units, more access to different elements. - that's where SW gets benched totally unlike pela who can do AOE, and get her ult up back 100% uptime
When or if elements start mattering more, then silver wolf will shine more. Also if the MOC goes towards a more single target focus at some point her def shred will work just fine
As someone who got silver wolf from this 1.5 update… I can safely say… at least for me that pela is indeed better than silver wolf… in most circumstances. I was fully ready to replace my pela for sw for my jingliu and while I do switch sw in some times I use pela more. At least for jingliu. The AOE def shred from pela is just nuts on top the ice shred
Is defense different to resistance?
Like a separate multiplier or does it just reduce the effectiveness of defense shredding.
In another game I play they have defense and resistance listed using different words but they act as the same multiplier so I'm not sure how it works in Star Rail.
Resistance is resistance to something. Cocolia has Ice resist meaning she receives lower Ice damage. Phantylia has Quantum resistance so she receives lower quantum damage.
yeah its different, not broken enemies have 10 res, neutral to your damage type +20, reistant +another 20. defence is another story
Its a separate multiplier. Thats why on Jingliu, Pela is great because of Ice Res reduction and Defence shred.
I prefer the def shred lc as the other lc is used by my SW and I'm running break effect rope on SW so she needs the extra regen.
Also, the extra def shreds from autos is helpful in longer fights
Def shred is insanely broken. Which is why in MOC pela usually goes on the side I have elemental coverage for and SW goes on the other.
I always use pela. Astas atk increase has diminishing returns. If your dps has reached the peak of attack. Pelas debuff is better.
Its like every creator is out to get SW nowadays huh, hate to see it. Pela and SW fulfil different rolls for different set ups. Pela only rlly seems better if ur running one of the many meta slave aoe teams and ik cause im running her with Jl. Pela is next to useless on my secondary Topaz team though which focuses more on quick st bursts.
I am so sad about missing Before the Tutorial Mission Starts LC cuz I'm def not going to S5 SW LC
Do u use EHR or attk% on her body?
Gacha Smack is trying so hard with all this flattery to get Pela to date him XD
I'm so sick of hearing how good the event exclusive LC is. Literally who are you preaching to? Everyone who has this S5 LC knows how good it is on Pela. All this does is make newcomers hate the game and the people flexing this crap.
I would Just use Pearls of Sweat on her if you have the LC.
I also think Luka lc is better on her lol
Wait until she can use the Penacony set, Resolution LC and have a 2 turn rotation while staying SP neutral, giving 10% dmg and 16% DEF shread (if you kill 3 enemies - easy)
What about the build? How did you build her besides the rope?
does this argument go out the window without that light cone?
Listening to both sides between you and my friend who was on the opposite side before, I'm going to say this. Pela is generally better right now, however, speed running MoC is not the only thing that matters in the game at the moment. There is also Swarm which of course, she's good in there but SW ends up generally being better because of the tankiness of the boss itself, in addition, she is going to be very much replaceable in the future. I understand that first and foremost she is a support and her energy regeneration, SP generation and ice shred on E4 are good things along with the buff removal is good, however, her kit feels like it is missing a lot in terms of being whole.
Tingyun, for example, her entire kit compliment itself. Her E6 gives more energy to the DPS, her E2 gives more energy via a kill to the DPS, E1 more speed, A2 gives her more speed for more SP, you get the idea and for four stars this is important. Pela's E2 is lackluster and her E6 does not help her at all. Her A2 is useless as well because the numbers in her kit are not geared towards doing any form of damage, yet she has ATK% traces and ice% traces which we know most characters have one arguably dead stat like defense or HP, but Pela even built as a DPS or sub DPS doesn't put out impressive numbers in the slightest. What does this lead to? Her kit feeling disjointed and half-baked. I used to be a Yanqing main and used both SW and Pela on the same team together and while my build for Pela was half-assed at best, it kind of put into perspective that her personal damage is low, and by comparison, Guin can give you 100% uptime on a roughly equal level to Pela while having better personal damage. Of course, damage isn't everything, but again, half of Pela's kit feels entirely useless. She batteries herself for her ultimate, and that's it. Without her ultimate being good, she'd be dead as a character. Even if Tingyun didn't have a battery in her ultimate her DMG% and ATK% for your DPS on a budget would be able to be crept easily, but still have a place. That battery will keep Tingyun pumping even when more battery supports come out if others do come out. And even with the buff removal specifically, if you want just that for a specific boss Luka also provides that and better personal damage as well.
SW, by comparison is yes, worse for speed running, but has much more going for her with an actually focused and better designed kit. Pela has one defense shred on her ultimate for AoE, SW, on the other hand even if she is only ST has a talent that has three different debuffs with three different benefits. A better defense shredding ultimate even if it is only in ST and only 5% more and then her skill being the big one. Even ignoring the weakness implant from a miss, the 10-13% all resistance shred is much more general than Pela's E4, is baked in no eidolons needed regardless of how common Pela is in this game, I mean prior to Aetherium Wars she was already borderline F2P but I digress. Obviously on element content they will outshine one another in that specific role, but SW's kit, even if it is a luxury at the end of the day will lack the test of time longer. Pela has one thing which is her ultimate. Once a character can basically do that but better be it four star or five star doesn't really matter she'll be losing a few places in the game.
Plus, another important thing to mention is this. Pela's LC options are utterly ABYSMAL and are basically Blade level in terms of viable options. If you started after the event for Tutorial, your options consist of Pearls.... and that's it until SW comes back around and if you're unlucky, well guess your Pela has a LC that basically does nothing for her on your team or for her personally. Not everyone has so much as Pearls and many people started post 1.1 so Tutorial isn't an option, and without it, she can't get that first turn ultimate in MoC unless you skill with her because she comes up exactly 8 energy short, unless you hit 4-5 enemies. Beyond being simple stat sticks SW does have some less effective but alternate options like In the Name of the World covering her skill's high EHR demand, Fermata or Solitary Healing being fat BE stat sticks if needed, Eyes of the Prey for EHR, you get the idea. Other than Eyes for EHR Pela can't use any of these because BE on her isn't good like it is on SW. Offensive stats don't do much for her otherwise so tank is the best option kind of by default because you don't have other choices. SW even without eidolons as you have pointed out does very respectable damage with BE and it has the added benefit of putting enemies much further back extending the break duration for more benefit and while yes, Pela could do the same thing it isn't as potent because freeze doesn't do that much damage and because of the action refund the frozen enemy gets back, which okay, entanglement only lasts until the enemy goes, but that can most times just finish them off anyway.
And finally, the last thing I'll say is the most obvious thing. MoC needs two teams. You only have Pela for a single side regardless and there are several people, myself included, that still lack Bronya for a 'braindead easy' slap on support. The main place Pela can shine over SW, at least if you ask me, for general use besides ice weak content is double elite content or specific enemy buffs like Shapeshifters. Most of the time the DPS can just as a byproduct kill the trash mobs while still focusing on the elite except for hunt characters which, by default Pela is always worse with.
I say all this because saying that Pela is blanket better than SW is simply false. They both shine better than one another in different situations and different circumstances. And while the title might be clickbait, from an argument standpoint it simply is not the case. Jingliu is a character that is blanket stronger than Yanqing in basically every case and scenario, but here? I simply have to disagree with you.
SW for bosses and Pela for Ads.
You know Pela is a better pick for the swarm boss than SW right?
She isn't. You can bring SW in mindlessly for the weakness on the boss for off-element DPS so it isn't subject to first plane RNG and Hell Is Other People trumps anything Pela can do.
@@DigitalBlizzNX killing the bugs faster literally let’s you do more damage to the boss than shredding the boss specifically.
I use both and I can tell you specifically that Pela is 100% better there
Been saying this since the beginning, Pela is not only better than SW, but I believe Pela is the best 4 star character in HSR
I Don't even Need Pela to Zero Cycle with my 105 SPD Jingliu (In the 1.3 and 1.4 MOC (Even with Decaying shadow not being Weak to Ice) She could still get it done right before the 29th cycle could Tick down) I did it with a Bronya and Tingyun and It might even become easier if you switch Fu (Who I used with them) For Huohuo's Battery) Which Tells me they need to Buff the HP DEF and Introduce Damage Reduction if they are not weak to that Element/Higher DMG Reduction if they are Resistant to that element to make Brute forcing over using SW/the RIght Element a more Viable option over Brute forcing with said Broken Character (because I am not even Serious about Trying to Zero Cycle with any of my Charcters but she can do it so effortlessly with Bronya or even without Bronya if you have her at the SPD Breakpoint needed to take two turns in 1 cycle)
I've been on the pela train for months. I'm using s4 resolution on her to get that huge defenceman reductions
I just use both of them. I use pela more for MoC, silver more for my main simulated/swarm teams.
I knew silver would slowly lose value as we got more units, but she hard carried me for so long since I didn't have a 5 star dps until Blade that I'm still glad I pulled.