Thank you again to RPG Limit Break for having us this year. We have some interesting ideas for possibilities by next year's event and beyond, but nothing locked in yet. Hoping we can be there for the whole week next time.
This went from an ffx showcase to a "bad day at the office" showcase for automation engineers lol. much love keep up the good work, i know how frustrating it can be to have working scripts suddenly not work but only during a presentation, nightmare fuel.
I'm so impressed at how consistently entertaining this was despite the bumps. A group of incredible entertainers, for sure! There's also something very humanizing about seeing the hiccups, it makes it feel a lot cozier in a way, and enough of the game and the AI was shown off that it doesn't dull the impressiveness of the actual TAS. Very well done overall! :D
Despite the few hiccups, this has been an incredible demonstration of programming and a real testament to the FFX Speedrun community. I've followed the discord for years and have run the game a number of times, but the CSR has made this game far more accessible to people. Incredible job guys. Was nice to finally put a face to some of the names that I've been hearing of for so long.
Keepa simply secretly loves showing off at RPG Limit Break. He was exactly as epic during the all the more epic run of a previous RPGLB a few years back where they runned the game with around 10 different runners taking turns (really good to see by the way, but it's a run of the original game so beware the 11 hours run ^^).
holy shit is this tas insanely impressive!! absolutely incredible work by everyone who has contributed, and excellent commentary (and finagling with the tas when it had a few hiccups)!
This was amazing! I just quickly have to point out, the comment about aeon damage caps and destruction spheres is completely inaccurate. I played this game a lot and the destruction spheres only affect unlocking Anima. You have to get certain celestial weapons' first of two unlocks to get the aeon caps to be removed. Bahamut, Anima and the Magus Sisters are simply always uncapped.
Honestly impressed by how much has been going on during that run ^^ Here's to hoping those numerous bugs / incidents helped you guys figure out more stuff about all of that ^^. Also, that new strat about Yuna on steroids almost seems unreal how easy it is actually to make it happens xD.
This is SO cool. The musical anomalies are hilarious, like the Shoopuf theme during the Extractor fight. Hoping the HD version has sharper audio, the mask muffle on the commentary is kind of tough for my crummy ears (yay for good CCs!).
I think the musical anomalies are due to the CSR (Cutscene Remover.) If you were playing without it you wouldn't get those issues. But the CSR cuts a TON of time off the run.
When I played the blitzball tournament, the game decided to keep me in purgatory for 2 hours cause no one could score a single point, causing about 10 overtimes
I gotta laugh, this is the second FF X speedrun at an event I've seen where the runners were trying for the No-Encounters armor manip, but it failed. Still a great run to watch. Going to see if I can find a vid somewhere of you guys doing this and it actually going smooth.
@@coderwilson Thanks. I also saw that there was a vid on your channel as well of the run, haven't watched it yet but I'll check them both out. Thanks for all your hard work.
I'd love to see what the console in the lower left, but Firefox version 106.0 on Windows 10 doesn't show anything higher. Well above the requirements in the "Missing Options?" page.
This run is great! The law of live demos hit hard, but it was still fun to watch =) For anyone else who wants a link to a completed tas run: th-cam.com/video/P0wDLfiLtOs/w-d-xo.html But also thank you for introducing me to the State of the Arc podcast! I've been looking for something like this for awhile now. Do you know of any other podcasts that break down and explain things?
"Debug Message: 'Waiting for Tidus/Yuna to stop laughing.'" - Don't we all? Though I wonder, when the TAS catches up on levels in Mushroom Rock, it only kills one enemy and flees. Even if that single enemy isn't enough anyways. I guess that is faster than killing two enemies or the group even though one needs to look at the Battle End screen twice? Anyway, I love this. This is exactly what I wish for the idea of TAS to become: not creating a movie on predetermined states, but applying knowledge and the tool reacting to the states.
"This is Besaid island we are going to be picking up the vast majority of our party. The swimming jock here is Wakka. He's going to be kinda useful in a couple of spots. But more importantly we are going to be picking up Yuna, who is going to be one of the primary characters we use throughout the run. As well as Kimhari and Lulu, who are both... we Lulu isn't all that useful but Kimhari is!" Never have I heard such...sadness from anyone or anyTHING playing FFX, in that Lulu is useless compared to Kimhari.... I know that for something like a TAS, there is obviously some other factors...but...Kimhari was always 'Lancet' and then 🤷
To be fair, even outside of TAS Lulu's (sadly) useless. I think her main utility is for her to grab big magic ONLY for Yuna to grab those said magic for herself. And well, the reason's quite easy to get: most characters have special uses, while Lulu's only use is doing damage. And since they are way more intense way to do that during the game, welp she's sadly left on the side ^^'.
The same train of though where they though one would need to score a "0 second" chocobo run by passing through every single bonus for the Tidus's weapon... And the joke is that it's the easier weapon to get (and the only one I got during my own play xD).
that's basically what a TAS or Tool Assisted Speedrun is. This one goes a bit further than just programming a sequence of input and has simple AI that decides what to do under certain conditions so it kinda plays itself to an extent. It's a great showcase of what's possible in terms of the specific games. If you're interested I would suggest checking out a TASbot run of Celeste on GDQ
If you are worrying about records then tas always have their own separate category as it would ruin regular speed runner categories. But tas is great to see what's possible in games and has even helped to show when some people have faked speed runs
@@latebloom9189 What's more, TAS speedrunners / programmers and "normal" speedrunners often exhanges strat and informations that the other found out that could be usefull for the other category, which is actually a good thing. After all, a lot of glitches, skip, etc. are found from bugs or bad manips, and it wouldn't be weird to encounter those during a TAS trial, etc.
The impressive part of this tas is that it's AI managed. Aka it's not a "100% scripted play". The AI actually has to work and guess the best strat as the run progresses, and whatever the AI is doing is from an even greater work from the coder behind it. I do get what you meant by that 'tho, it's quite different from seeing TAS for let's say platformer games, etc.
Well, on another side, there are ton of people who simply loves seing one speedrunner doing the exact same thing hundreds of times in a row. And let's be honest, when a Runner trains by doing full run repeating the same process, thus simply making wievers watch a "more or less record going in cycle" is it not more or less the same as seing a TAS at work? The main difference being that the Runner works in direct and the Programmer works behind the scenes. But in the end, both types of speedrunners have to work out a route, strat's, etc. So to answer your question, well, it would depend on why you watch a speedrun. Do you watch it to see the runne "struggle live"? (weird way to phrase it I know), or to watch a speedrun for the strats, the glitches, etc.? And to that question, well every one has their preferences ^^.
Run Start: 2:01
Thank you again to RPG Limit Break for having us this year. We have some interesting ideas for possibilities by next year's event and beyond, but nothing locked in yet. Hoping we can be there for the whole week next time.
Thank you so much for your hard work, this was amazing to see.
Super cool showcase. Good work
Thank you for this. X-2?😅
This went from an ffx showcase to a "bad day at the office" showcase for automation engineers lol. much love keep up the good work, i know how frustrating it can be to have working scripts suddenly not work but only during a presentation, nightmare fuel.
I'm so impressed at how consistently entertaining this was despite the bumps. A group of incredible entertainers, for sure! There's also something very humanizing about seeing the hiccups, it makes it feel a lot cozier in a way, and enough of the game and the AI was shown off that it doesn't dull the impressiveness of the actual TAS. Very well done overall! :D
This was so cool. Things went south yet the team managed to pull through and finished the run
This was the most exciting TAS run I've ever seen. Never a boring moment.
having no possibility of bad RNG really makes it hype.
Despite the few hiccups, this has been an incredible demonstration of programming and a real testament to the FFX Speedrun community. I've followed the discord for years and have run the game a number of times, but the CSR has made this game far more accessible to people. Incredible job guys. Was nice to finally put a face to some of the names that I've been hearing of for so long.
TAS runs are so awesome to watch! The time and effort put into these are on another level.
The triple save from Keepa was the most stunning part of the run
Keepa simply secretly loves showing off at RPG Limit Break.
He was exactly as epic during the all the more epic run of a previous RPGLB a few years back where they runned the game with around 10 different runners taking turns (really good to see by the way, but it's a run of the original game so beware the 11 hours run ^^).
holy shit is this tas insanely impressive!! absolutely incredible work by everyone who has contributed, and excellent commentary (and finagling with the tas when it had a few hiccups)!
Really impressive and amazing work on that AI, good luck with refinements ^^
This TAS stream is definitely a Keepa! :D
This was amazing! I just quickly have to point out, the comment about aeon damage caps and destruction spheres is completely inaccurate. I played this game a lot and the destruction spheres only affect unlocking Anima. You have to get certain celestial weapons' first of two unlocks to get the aeon caps to be removed. Bahamut, Anima and the Magus Sisters are simply always uncapped.
Thanks for clearing that up. I have been put straight on this from many sources, but definitely good to get it documented here too.
Honestly impressed by how much has been going on during that run ^^
Here's to hoping those numerous bugs / incidents helped you guys figure out more stuff about all of that ^^.
Also, that new strat about Yuna on steroids almost seems unreal how easy it is actually to make it happens xD.
nice commentary. thanks for your work on this game.
This is SO cool. The musical anomalies are hilarious, like the Shoopuf theme during the Extractor fight. Hoping the HD version has sharper audio, the mask muffle on the commentary is kind of tough for my crummy ears (yay for good CCs!).
I think the musical anomalies are due to the CSR (Cutscene Remover.) If you were playing without it you wouldn't get those issues. But the CSR cuts a TON of time off the run.
This was so cool to watch!
I can't unhear it. The alarm during Home at the 2:24:00 mark. It sounds like he's saying "I'm annoying, huh? I'm annoying huh? I'm annoying huh?"
I'm glad TAS-bot named Ixion "Ce".
Candy mountain is something I loathe with pure hatred like no other depravity outside of crimes against humanity.
wakka know's keepa's true potential: he becomes the best shooter.
I hope that when I can donate, I'm able to name Valefore the name that TaS decided was better - Ce.
At least we know we're a ways away from Skynet but love the run
This is beautiful 😍
More game should be run like this
When I played the blitzball tournament, the game decided to keep me in purgatory for 2 hours cause no one could score a single point, causing about 10 overtimes
But… how? wakka is damn near insta-goal…
I gotta laugh, this is the second FF X speedrun at an event I've seen where the runners were trying for the No-Encounters armor manip, but it failed.
Still a great run to watch.
Going to see if I can find a vid somewhere of you guys doing this and it actually going smooth.
Here you go th-cam.com/video/K1djwtq8mfU/w-d-xo.html
@@coderwilson Thanks. I also saw that there was a vid on your channel as well of the run, haven't watched it yet but I'll check them both out. Thanks for all your hard work.
How did this went off the radar ???!! This is insanely genious and revolutionary for TASes
I'd love to see what the console in the lower left, but Firefox version 106.0 on Windows 10 doesn't show anything higher. Well above the requirements in the "Missing Options?" page.
HD resolutions will be available as soon as TH-cam finishes processing them.
@@RPGLimitBreak Annoyingly still hasn't updated yet...
At least fella has another year to fix the code xD GG Blitzer my favorite place to kill a run every time I watch a speedrun is in Luka xD
Great run! BTW, pretty sure certain Aeons' break damage limit is based on celestial weapons but correct me if I'm wrong...
You are correct. Only ones that arnt I believe are bahamut, anima and magus sisters
This run is great! The law of live demos hit hard, but it was still fun to watch =)
For anyone else who wants a link to a completed tas run: th-cam.com/video/P0wDLfiLtOs/w-d-xo.html
But also thank you for introducing me to the State of the Arc podcast! I've been looking for something like this for awhile now.
Do you know of any other podcasts that break down and explain things?
I wonder if that kid ever grew up to become a blitzball...
Actually he does! Later on you can find a weirdly placed blitzball hanging around ; D
...
(that was a joke, don't try to look into it)
Is it stuck at 360p for anyone else?
yep
Yes...so disappointing
Update...1080p now
guys you gotta wait for it to process. youtube needs some time to unlock the high quality options up for the video.
"Debug Message: 'Waiting for Tidus/Yuna to stop laughing.'" - Don't we all?
Though I wonder, when the TAS catches up on levels in Mushroom Rock, it only kills one enemy and flees. Even if that single enemy isn't enough anyways. I guess that is faster than killing two enemies or the group even though one needs to look at the Battle End screen twice?
Anyway, I love this. This is exactly what I wish for the idea of TAS to become: not creating a movie on predetermined states, but applying knowledge and the tool reacting to the states.
"This is Besaid island we are going to be picking up the vast majority of our party.
The swimming jock here is Wakka. He's going to be kinda useful in a couple of spots.
But more importantly we are going to be picking up Yuna, who is going to be one of the primary characters we use throughout the run.
As well as Kimhari and Lulu, who are both... we Lulu isn't all that useful but Kimhari is!"
Never have I heard such...sadness from anyone or anyTHING playing FFX, in that Lulu is useless compared to Kimhari....
I know that for something like a TAS, there is obviously some other factors...but...Kimhari was always 'Lancet' and then 🤷
To be fair, even outside of TAS Lulu's (sadly) useless. I think her main utility is for her to grab big magic ONLY for Yuna to grab those said magic for herself.
And well, the reason's quite easy to get: most characters have special uses, while Lulu's only use is doing damage. And since they are way more intense way to do that during the game, welp she's sadly left on the side ^^'.
I was surpised that the TAS doesn't utilize the Djose skip. Had no idea it was that hard to execute.
2 frames to dodge the lightning? What were they thinking when they programmed it?
The same train of though where they though one would need to score a "0 second" chocobo run by passing through every single bonus for the Tidus's weapon... And the joke is that it's the easier weapon to get (and the only one I got during my own play xD).
KEEPA GIGACHAD
Right? I've played tons of games against the Goers and have never had a Keepa like this
always kill 27 sin spawn
So they created a computer program that is now playing the game for itsself? Do I understand this correctly?
that's basically what a TAS or Tool Assisted Speedrun is. This one goes a bit further than just programming a sequence of input and has simple AI that decides what to do under certain conditions so it kinda plays itself to an extent. It's a great showcase of what's possible in terms of the specific games. If you're interested I would suggest checking out a TASbot run of Celeste on GDQ
the CE was funny.
ce
I am not sure about using AI to speedrun a game
it may be a bit late for that lol
If you are worrying about records then tas always have their own separate category as it would ruin regular speed runner categories.
But tas is great to see what's possible in games and has even helped to show when some people have faked speed runs
@@latebloom9189 What's more, TAS speedrunners / programmers and "normal" speedrunners often exhanges strat and informations that the other found out that could be usefull for the other category, which is actually a good thing. After all, a lot of glitches, skip, etc. are found from bugs or bad manips, and it wouldn't be weird to encounter those during a TAS trial, etc.
That 360p upload...
Finally updated to 1080 for me
needs time to process :)
TAS is cool and all, but it just doesn't look impressive for RPG games (apart from menuing).
The impressive part of this tas is that it's AI managed. Aka it's not a "100% scripted play". The AI actually has to work and guess the best strat as the run progresses, and whatever the AI is doing is from an even greater work from the coder behind it.
I do get what you meant by that 'tho, it's quite different from seeing TAS for let's say platformer games, etc.
Beside 'because we can' I don't see any reason to do and certainly not watch this.
Well, on another side, there are ton of people who simply loves seing one speedrunner doing the exact same thing hundreds of times in a row. And let's be honest, when a Runner trains by doing full run repeating the same process, thus simply making wievers watch a "more or less record going in cycle" is it not more or less the same as seing a TAS at work? The main difference being that the Runner works in direct and the Programmer works behind the scenes. But in the end, both types of speedrunners have to work out a route, strat's, etc.
So to answer your question, well, it would depend on why you watch a speedrun. Do you watch it to see the runne "struggle live"? (weird way to phrase it I know), or to watch a speedrun for the strats, the glitches, etc.? And to that question, well every one has their preferences ^^.