Johannesburg in the 1970s

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  • @moratuwamaleke6923
    @moratuwamaleke6923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1145

    As black people watching this portal into the past, historical contexts aside, none of us can deny that Joburg in the 70's LOOKED a lot better than it does now. Cause nowadays, unless you're rich and can afford to live a more affluent area of the city, Joburg is not fit for human habitation. It sucks on just about every conceivable level.
    And I hate that because I'm black, I have to pretend that that's not the case. That it's "not so bad." Is this what it's come to? That we have to defend a toxic hell-hole of a city because it's governed by people with the same skin tone as us? People, I might add, who couldn't give two fucks about you or your opinion of their competency. People who would sell you to the highest bidder (which they do often btw) at the drop of a hat. Is this the best we can do as black people? Are we so defiant in our struggle with our own shortcomings that we can't even acknowledge that something merely LOOKED better in the past?

    • @dannyfourie572
      @dannyfourie572 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Nice message you've posted Moratuwa Maleke.
      Take care!

    • @Chez114
      @Chez114 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      My brother or sister, I can't tell because I'm a Cape Town "coloured" and I suck at African languages... Thank you for this message. It was very introspective and honest. It was actually a heart-wrenchingly sad comment to read but I hear you. If these were "my people" governing my country into oblivion I would also be struggling with that same shame. But YOU are "my people". This isn't a case of black people running the country into a sh*thole graveyard. It's a case of underqualified individuals who weaponise race to stay in power, and to deflect its responsibility for ruining our beautiful country. This is sadly why many of us vote for people who look like us instead of for policies we believe in. They have kept us divided along racial lines because together they know we will no longer stand for their corruption. I love you my brother or sister. I truly hope their are more like you out there

    • @moratuwamaleke6923
      @moratuwamaleke6923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Chez114 🙏🏽

    • @ianjacobs2998
      @ianjacobs2998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Just to add to that many and I mean many of us as whites wanted to just live with each other.I remember in that so called bad times.We had such beautiful times in Hillbrow. Not looking at colour( All races lived it up and had a ball!!!)We can still make it work and get OUR!!! COUNTRY TO BE GREAT!!!! BELIEVE ME ITS SO EASY🤗🤗🤗😭

    • @The_Angry_BeEconomist
      @The_Angry_BeEconomist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      the model was never sustainable, it was a short term illusion at the cost of long term realities

  • @mohlomphehi
    @mohlomphehi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +747

    Hate them or love them, the Afrikaners did a far better job at protecting the sovereignty of this country and running it properly. As a black person I must condemn apartheid and all that came with it but I'm not blind to the fact that our country is now on a downward spiral and has been since the liberation movement took office.

    • @nikiwenhlapo2978
      @nikiwenhlapo2978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Fact, in simple terms the Black Government failed to SA running

    • @weetbix4497
      @weetbix4497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's constant race politics that keep us distracted while incompetent and corrupt politicians bleed our economy dry and take advantage of us in every possible way. We could be a great country if it weren't for that, and it's sad to see this. But you and I both know the race politics will never end.

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I have a serious question for you. If in an alternate universe, there was a South Africa with the current constitution apart from ONE difference; that only whites could be elected to parliament and take up government positions, would you take it over the current situation.

    • @zarofficial9
      @zarofficial9 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean the Dutch and the collective European countries that built their bases (proxy servers) in Africa as else where in the world to populize themselves and claim ownership of the world.

    • @phihlellotheone8979
      @phihlellotheone8979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Sounds like safe hatred 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾🙄🙄🙃🙃

  • @titanus49
    @titanus49 2 ปีที่แล้ว +349

    I lived in Johannesburg from 1972 to 1975 as an Australian expat. The city and suburban areas were truly wonderful, very clean and well maintained . First I lived in Doornfontein then in a suburb called Mayfair and finally in Joubert Park , down the road from Hillbrow. I can only imagine what all these places are like nowadays, but from what I 've heard Joubert Park is a cesspool and unfit for human habitation. Very sad how a truly wonderful city has hit rock bottom, due to the usual 3 functions of civil servants, corruption , incompetence and arrogance.

    • @trisdanalysisandmarkets2470
      @trisdanalysisandmarkets2470 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I stayed there for 2 years...it's dirty now...the Doorfotein train station got destroyed during the covid period...there's a lot of mugging there now...it's no longer a pleasant place to live

    • @stormcox4578
      @stormcox4578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I couldn’t agree more. I love my home country but it just isn’t for those who want to get far in life without having to deal with problems that we shouldn’t have to deal with everyday. Like loadshedding which just happened to be what we experienced today for 2-3 hours😂. It’s such a joke and that’s why we are immigrating soon.

    • @facts2666
      @facts2666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@stormcox4578 we... not everyone can go immigrate and even if you do the rest of us will still be left to try and fix the problem ourselves

    • @facts2666
      @facts2666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How was the alexandra? 👀😳

    • @trisdanalysisandmarkets2470
      @trisdanalysisandmarkets2470 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@facts2666 too much rats that one...

  • @markwinter7511
    @markwinter7511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +577

    The cleanliness stands out.

    • @sonofsanto
      @sonofsanto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      Because the whites were in charge

    • @chickenalaking1319
      @chickenalaking1319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Toronto used to be a clean city too.

    • @Cebo88
      @Cebo88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@sonofsantoWhatever. If that makes you feel better, then good for you.

    • @Cebo88
      @Cebo88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @alejandro brunner Savagery? Your anger is worrying. You are in desperate need of a psychiatric evaluation. Joburg has morphed into a quintessential conurbation, which literally means it's developing rapidly in its periphery and surrounding metropolis. Unfortunately along with that and incontrollable immigration, the inner city has taken a hard knock.

    • @Cebo88
      @Cebo88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @alejandro brunner Johannesburg is developing outwardly. it's a quintessential conurbation. Unfortunately with that, much like LA and Detroit, the inner city has taken a hard knock as business presses northwards.

  • @tetobdub9097
    @tetobdub9097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    Unbelievable how things can change, imagine one day we will be watching videos of Sandton saying wow it used to be so clean

    • @leegaleaglenombo9430
      @leegaleaglenombo9430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My thought, when I saw the building with the swimming pool.
      I hope that that doesn't happen.

    • @braamies5339
      @braamies5339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Who needs videos. I just cast my mind back 9 years ago.

    • @thatwinninggirl942
      @thatwinninggirl942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😭😭😭😭 I pray that day never comes

    • @ianjacobs2998
      @ianjacobs2998 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes lived close to the Cricket field

    • @yassinahmed4288
      @yassinahmed4288 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And who build it... SAY IT

  • @lostcrusader8053
    @lostcrusader8053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    As a white South African, I don’t ask to bring back Apartheid, where racial segregation was a thing, but I do ask to bring back where everything looked clean and had good economy.

    • @janmale7767
      @janmale7767 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Your statement is a oxymoron, apartheid was the reason for the orderliness , African corruption incompetence disordeliness and laziness was held at bay by apartheid!

    • @AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm
      @AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ​@janmale7767 Wrong. Apartheid was the system of losers. Even Rhodesians were disgusted at it. The failure of Apartheid South Africa to cooperate led to its downfall. The African majority had self respect to not accept being second class. The ANC failed not the majority African population.

    • @TheAnagnostis
      @TheAnagnostis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@janmale7767Amen, amen, amen

    • @Deontjie
      @Deontjie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As I watched this video I saw white people and black people walking the streets without shooting each other.

    • @motocyklist.gdansk
      @motocyklist.gdansk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xmwrong! Apartheid was the system of people, who were not biased, but directly and honest and had the courage not to close their eyes to reality !Under Apartheid the country was blooming ten spyte van sy internasionale isolatie! Todays state of the country is just like adding 2 plus 2! It is natural: just look at the rest of Africa!

  • @mpumelelotshabalala5968
    @mpumelelotshabalala5968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    ANC destroyed this great city, as a South African you are a foreigner in this city... Infrastructure development and maintenance was last done by the apartheid regime.It hurts a lot when you look at it in the 70's because it is a reminder of how the government is failing it's citizens..sorry to say this but it's like ANC is proving why apartheid regime wanted to keep our great nation out of the leadership of black people, I mean even when we vote there are certain mentality people who vote ANC even when it's giving us misery and poverty...Black people don't want to wake up and smell the coffee, ANC fought for themselves while real activists died for freedom and it's sad because if those activists don't affiliate with the ANC they are simply forgotten and sidelined by famous ANC members..The struggle was for ANC members to get a blank cheque and steal without fear and loot our taxes with pride while ignorant black people cheer them on.

    • @abdi7149
      @abdi7149 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Couldn't have worded better

    • @checkmate5857
      @checkmate5857 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      GREAT NATION???? Wow what a lie

    • @iamr3inhard
      @iamr3inhard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There are no blames. it is just how it should be at the end of the day to be honest. In the apartheid era, although with a terrible regime that HAD to end, the government knew what it meant to run a country and grow a country. There was experience. They (white people) came from a long line of governing countries for hundreds of years. Thats where the experience comes from, where as African's from here who have never gone through that experience had the responsibility to run an entire country. That is why the regime didn't want to give the country to the hands of Black people. They did not understand the importance, there was anger because they couldn't live like this and that had turned in to greed, therefore we have corruption. Mistakes will continue to be made, but that is how one learns. And hopefully the part of South Africa that doesn't understand what it means to run this country learns out of these mistakes. There is only God and Hope, that's all.

    • @charlesberinyuysheywiysong9191
      @charlesberinyuysheywiysong9191 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it only looked this great because it was mainly a white populated area so all the finances could be used to make it nice, try to find how the places they left for black people looked. Horrible, because the care wasnt taken so ofcourse when people come into power who grew up from there they are going to want to take it all for themselves as that is what was done to their areas. Common sense

    • @noellesivalingum6542
      @noellesivalingum6542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "the real activists died for freedom" sjoe that stung...

  • @steventheologo
    @steventheologo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +342

    I wish I grew up in South Africa without the ridiculous crime rates, without a corrupted government, without all of the preventable issues if only the people of SA start to realise how much more we could possibly be. Sad...
    PS: South Africa is a lovely place on it's good days if you know what I mean. The food, the people, the culture, it's unmatched. Such diversity.

    • @mongezigongo8893
      @mongezigongo8893 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      The formation of "South Africa" was a crime against humanity. The crime still continues, that is why it must burn 🔥 so we can live peaceful lives, in harmony with nature

    • @steventheologo
      @steventheologo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@mongezigongo8893 I am 100% against racism. I was born in 97', throughout primary school and high school I never saw color, because I mostly went to school with black kids, and I saw everyone as equal. My parents were not racist either so it was never a problem growing up, yes my forefathers probably were part of the apartheid regime, but I never knew it, nor experienced it myself. Unfortunately the generation I was born in now has to suffer the consequences of the actions my family and other white families did back in the day... I myself am in a 3 year relationship with the most beautiful lady I have ever met, planning on getting married. We face problems in our daily lives because I am white and she is black. I went a bit off topic but the point is if there could be a place and time in South Africa, where everyone can let go of the past, move forward and unite as one, I would love to be there.

    • @EarthlyMix
      @EarthlyMix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@steventheologo you make solid points about unity but you have to understand that people can't just forget the past of how they got here in the first place. It sounds cliche but that's the simple truth.

    • @dylankhweziradebe7659
      @dylankhweziradebe7659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@mongezigongo8893 you are cringe

    • @bluerock9238
      @bluerock9238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@mongezigongo8893
      But generally we black people dont like cats, dogs, snakes, tokoloshes, we hate living in the dark, we forgot how to use fire for cooking, we only want white mans shoes and clothes, we are drugged by commercial beers etc etc etc
      HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE WITH NATURE??????
      When all is burnt and everyone gone.
      You the same guy that will ask:
      "waat mus can hairpen"

  • @artetasmuse
    @artetasmuse ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I remember as a kid driving through Hillbrow with my Mom in the late 90s, run down by then, talking about how she lived and went to Uni in the City, and went out partying at night. I used to say there’s no way you lived here. Now with all these videos I can totally believe it. How incredibly sad.

  • @TonySousa
    @TonySousa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    I arrived in Johannesburg in 1974. The city and suburbs were truly amazing, very clean, well managed and well maintained: the best city in Africa and one of the best cities in the world. Parts of the then vibrant city streets (shown on this video) are today a cesspool and unfit for human habitation. How tragic!

    • @facts2666
      @facts2666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And Alexandra

    • @skhathimthembu591
      @skhathimthembu591 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      As a person who lives in Johannesburg, I find it very strange that everyone says these places are unfit for human habitation and I’m very much a human.

    • @goodman4093
      @goodman4093 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@skhathimthembu591 then you are very dirty person.

    • @SuperLuckao
      @SuperLuckao ปีที่แล้ว

      United nations funded ANC to ruin it. J just luke California and Australia too. The UN is behind the destruction of the world.

    • @patsavage3302
      @patsavage3302 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Music needs updating. Certainly not 1970s music

  • @razeenmeyer9728
    @razeenmeyer9728 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Say what you want about the Afrikaaners, they did love their South Africa. Amazing people, to be fair.

  • @AN474-e1o
    @AN474-e1o 3 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    It's like a strange mix of London and Los Angeles. Sad that it's lost forever.

    • @dujardinmtl
      @dujardinmtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      It’s only sad to you! Good riddance

    • @Zanitus_huh
      @Zanitus_huh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@dujardinmtl for most people who used to live in Johannesburg it’s sad explain the 300 likes and the 54 likes he got

    • @boogie7972
      @boogie7972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@dujardinmtl Yeah because everyone would rather live in a crime ridden, trash covered, AIDS infested shithole

    • @dujardinmtl
      @dujardinmtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@boogie7972 I completely agree. Let’s get ride of you to solve this.

    • @KrashyKharma
      @KrashyKharma 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Ahh, yes, the delights only Apartheid could bring 😍
      🙄

  • @governmentxx1896
    @governmentxx1896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Looking at those infrastructure made me realize that the new government never build anything in Joburg.

    • @tantalisinglabrat
      @tantalisinglabrat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Its not up to Government to build the city buildings. It was and still is the private sector who develops inner cities to be taxed by the local and state government. What I find sad is that since democracy in 1994, the ANC never built 1 extra state hospital or university to plan for the burgeoning population. The result is over crowding and under funded institutions. As for a disfunctional rail network, the blame lies with the people who plunder, destroy and loot the infrastructure which my tax money provided for them .

    • @governmentxx1896
      @governmentxx1896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tantalisinglabrat thanx for the enlightening but i feel like current private sector are in line with the government so they haven't built any city 💯I'm not gonna say much about tax coz there's a lot collected annually, but it's not enough coz of corruption and some leaving the state

    • @skhathimthembu591
      @skhathimthembu591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They didn’t have to. They bought buildings that would otherwise kill people if they fell, and they filled them with government workers. Building skyscrapers is vanity

    • @levismith7444
      @levismith7444 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s not true the new government built lots of stuff… like all those new mansions for people in government 😂

  • @Ricmarsoa
    @Ricmarsoa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    In the 1970's it was an European city. Today it's an Africain city. That's the difference...

    • @muragegitari6052
      @muragegitari6052 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      On whose back was the wealth of joburg created? Who cleaned the so called European city?

    • @Gaze73
      @Gaze73 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@muragegitari6052 Funny how every successful city was built on "the backs" of africans but when africans govern themselves there are no such cities. Sub-saharan Africa is a worse place to live than Rome 2000 years ago.

    • @JAnx01
      @JAnx01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@muragegitari6052 On the backs of white people. The communities were segregated, remember? Apartheid was basically about white people having their own safe spaces which constituted only a tiny fraction of the country. But even that had to be taken away.

    • @v0idthrashtilldeath127
      @v0idthrashtilldeath127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@muragegitari6052 On the back of smart hard working Europeans. The only thing most of you people know is to be invaders and parasites.

    • @dansmith1661
      @dansmith1661 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@muragegitari6052 On whose mind has joburg prospered?

  • @leegaleaglenombo9430
    @leegaleaglenombo9430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Walking, in mid-Johannesburg, with a purse out. 😍

    • @lifenstyleafrica8498
      @lifenstyleafrica8498 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The said part of that is, if you were black, police would stop you and ask you why are walking in town after 6pm. Even be jailed if you didn't have ID.

    • @checkmate5857
      @checkmate5857 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lifenstyleafrica8498 exactly just because we know hoe you can destroy and steal wen the sun sets, look at 2022

    • @baatile
      @baatile 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You wouldn’t be allowed there.

    • @goodman4093
      @goodman4093 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lifenstyleafrica8498 so those miscreants feared apartheid police more than ANC police.

    • @the_mariocrafter
      @the_mariocrafter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@baatiler/cursedcomments

  • @petem3883
    @petem3883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Now, the ruins of Johannesburg look like "Life After People."

  • @hizikieraymond2773
    @hizikieraymond2773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    A retired White colleague of mine once told me with sadness in his face, that he still sees the old South Africa in his dreams, and because of that, he knows that the South Africa he once loved, still lives in his heart 😢!

  • @Tlhakxza
    @Tlhakxza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Born in 1980, seating on those Benches on Joubert Park, the smell and taste of a freshly baked Steak n Kidney Pie or Samoosa on Eloff street, the smell of new clothes for sale on those beautifully maintained stores, back when one could smell the scent of a brand new toy on sale nearby...back then when going to Jozi CBD was an outing and a half,one had to bath and look spiff👌🏿 the sight of those maroon and white double decker busses, the sound of the BigBen by the old Post Office.
    It’s just a pity we were segregated,marginalized,oppressed as Black People,WHITES had that whole town to themselves and the city was well kept and in pristine condition...no littering,no loitering,stormwater drains worked effectively,no sideway hawkers,taxis obeyed the law and there was order.
    As much as I HATE APARTHEID and its everlasting effects,I will give it to my oppressors THEY BUILT A WORLD CLASS CITY...until 1994 happened and the whole shit turned upside down,as a Soweto Native I’m scared to walk in my very own town...why...??? Coz WE FUCKED IT UP ROYALLY.
    If only we could look at ourselves as BLACKS and admit to just how messed up we are(we can’t blame apartheid forever-again,I HATE what that despicable system did to the mind of a darkie) it’s as though we don’t know what the difference is between clean and Dirt...Partly,Apartheid is to blame, to hate ourselves so much that we would deem it natural and acceptable to dump paper,plastic,beer bottles where add to that our AFRICAN brothers and sisters who came from independent and squalid living conditions,worse than what Joburg is presently.
    All it’s gonna take is educating our people about the importance of cleanliness and Hygiene.
    I still love my Jozi and have hopes that one day we shall see it return to its beautiful beautiful days.

    • @madala9324
      @madala9324 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What a wonderful honest statement. Thank you my brother.

    • @MichaelJohnson-ij5ei
      @MichaelJohnson-ij5ei ปีที่แล้ว

      Segregation isn't oppression unless you believe you have some kind of right to access other peoples' civilizations & institutions, which in reality is just conquest. Which is exactly what the end of apartheid represented, black conquest of Whites.
      Are Whites oppressed because they're not granted unlimited access to Zulu villages & institutions? Because Zulu want to protect their people & culture. And I mean, look at South African now, all the people who defended apartheid were proven correct

  • @reshannaidoo8751
    @reshannaidoo8751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Wow, my parents told me stories about how beautiful it was.

  • @michelleduplessis8606
    @michelleduplessis8606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Apologies for raining on the nostalgia parade. I grew up in Johannesburg and the video and music do not depict Johannesburg in the 1970"s. Trams were circa 1960's. The cars in some sections also look much earlier, ie 1960"s? Who could forget Carlton Centre and the swanky movie houses. I also used to train at the Hillbrow Swiming Pool, which was below the Summit Club, and walk home at 21:00 to a residential hotel in the CBD, (very safe, except for some harmless men who would offer me a 'lift'. We would dance at various clubs in Hillbrow, including Bella Napoli, The Glass Slipper, Plumb Crazy, and many others, and end off with a swcharma from Bimbo's or roast chicken and fresh rolls at abut 5am at Fontana Highpoint. New Year;s Eve was the biggest street party ever. Everybody had a great time, the police were always around but it was always a great vibe. Aaah, such great memories . Gave that up when one New Year''s Eve in the 1990's a fridge crashed to the street from a highrise building and we found Smit Street covered in shattered glass from bottles thrown from flats. The end of that era!!

    • @pre-dawnraid9037
      @pre-dawnraid9037 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And the Joubert Park Christmas lights. All Hell the ANC!

  • @KG-xf9ew
    @KG-xf9ew 2 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Everyone knows exactly why Joburg is how it is today.

    • @northernkyle1061
      @northernkyle1061 ปีที่แล้ว

      Non white people

    • @johnm84
      @johnm84 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Because of the ANC.

    • @azariacba
      @azariacba 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unfortunately the West is so brainwashed that they don't know.

    • @cashewnuttel9054
      @cashewnuttel9054 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because of colonization?

    • @cashewnuttel9054
      @cashewnuttel9054 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnm84 Who are the ANC and what did they do?
      Not South African, so I really don't know.

  • @lawrencenannes4260
    @lawrencenannes4260 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This is the good old days and not the horrific future that we now live.😢😮

    • @doctorcatnip2551
      @doctorcatnip2551 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's what people want, so it's what they get.

  • @lava_za
    @lava_za 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    It's my culture.
    Nothing special, nothing out of the ordinary.
    We aspire success, cleanliness, structure, respect and prosperity.

    • @DragonsAndDragons777
      @DragonsAndDragons777 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My man! Ek is met jou al die pad

    • @animangafan342
      @animangafan342 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Basically how Tesla & SpaceX happened

    • @titanicisshit1647
      @titanicisshit1647 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@animangafan342 elon Musk is a south african army deserter,he wants nothing to do with it

    • @AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm
      @AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Prosperity for the minority. Why Rhoedesia fell

    • @jpatpat9360
      @jpatpat9360 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xmthe majority could do it for themselves too if they decided not to litter, pee and poo in public places, clean up their environment incl the townships they live in, not keep having babies they can't feed without a husband, and generally pull themselves up without handouts. Many poor immigrants do it so can they. The cities are a mess because the people mess it up not the govt or the whites

  • @siphoxulu1111
    @siphoxulu1111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Before ANC took over and destroyed the city. I hate these people.

  • @martinschabana9284
    @martinschabana9284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I am from Mozambique and i remember in tne 90s i used to hear migrants tell wonderful stories about how beautiful and good it was. So i grew up hallucinated and wanting desperately to visit Joburg. Not New York, JHB. I managed it in December 2020 and when i got there i was totally disappointed: Dirty streets and dirty and neglected buildings in contrast with what i had grew up hearing. I found the arquitect of the buildings outdated. Even in Maputo we have like 4 or 5 modern modern buildings. I stayed in a cheap hotel and it was noisey, smelling weed all over the stairs. The streets are scary: people drinking alcohol and smoking as opposed to what i had heard back in the 90s, when they said ""you dont drink or throw garbage on JHB streets because you got punished"". Now South Africans will just live in their nostalgy of these beautiful videos. In my opinion, ANC bad policies and migrants helped ruin this beautiful town.

    • @collinsghambi7315
      @collinsghambi7315 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I agree with 10000% anc and illegal 🚫 migrant ruined this beautiful country of 🇿🇦 🇿🇦 so sad man

    • @sallesabdoulaziz6614
      @sallesabdoulaziz6614 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@collinsghambi7315 be honest with yourself, some south africans reject their own fault on migrants! I have visited Jozy in 2016, we visit nelson mandela house in johannesburg, eat in restaurants in the suburbs, but me and my west africans colleagues were so affraid by blacks south africans in the streets of soweto with their behaviours, its was really obvious that this is an education problem! by the same time, there is a division in black society between poors and richs. On my opinion of one month in jozy, Blacks who deals in the malls and poors who eats in the streets are two parts of the same piece but dont deals each others enough, their is a new segregation between a little part of richs blacks and the majority of poors blacks who destroy the standard living of the country because they are leaved appart by the government of SA! i am not a migrant by the way!!

    • @borja1000
      @borja1000 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@collinsghambi7315 - that's the most absurd comment I read here.
      It really is amazing that these eco chambers get applied in the same type of situation all over the world: a country's economy starts going to shit, the political class does nothing right, keeps getting wealthier and is regularly caught in corruption scandals that hurt the local taxpayers and who do the locals blame? - migrants.
      It really is the same tape everywhere!

    • @animangafan342
      @animangafan342 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it makes u feel better, NYC is a dump now, too.
      So are most American big cities b/c it's lead & ruined by corrupt leaders.
      I think SA became known as the infant r*p* capital of the world in the late 90 or early 2000s.

    • @shafuimcoming5151
      @shafuimcoming5151 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@jerrycarrera10india,

  • @Neville.Ndero8
    @Neville.Ndero8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    No way this is JHB, I am Namibian and I am amazed how this looked so great close to 60 years back..

    • @chrizandriroth7695
      @chrizandriroth7695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Also a Namibian! We must stand together so that Windhoek stays the beautiful city it is!!!

    • @norapeters7973
      @norapeters7973 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is Joburg. I should know. You dont wanna see it know. At all.

  • @MaLLList
    @MaLLList 3 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    this is the best I've seen. beloved old Johannesburg. The most beautiful in the world, it's a pity that you only remained in memories 💔

    • @rebeccam.7249
      @rebeccam.7249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      lol johannesburg as always been run by white people non wonder the whole south africa is kinda clean

    • @muragegitari6052
      @muragegitari6052 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Good or bad memory? Depends on who's memory. Right?

    • @xhosaguy4889
      @xhosaguy4889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rebeccam.7249 no Johannesburg run by white here stop being stupid.

    • @Rudzani
      @Rudzani 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Rebecca M. is that why it’s dirty as hell today? The white people get lazy or something lol?

    • @VanSisean
      @VanSisean 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out videos of contemporary Kigali, Rwanda. That city is more than "kinda" clean. (I will preempt any follow-up retorts of "Rwandan genocide" irrelevant to the point that Kigali is incredibly clean if authoritarian with "Sharpeville and Soweto massacres," "Project Coast," "Civil Cooperation Bureau," "AWB," and "Operation Marion.")

  • @nevillecartwright7292
    @nevillecartwright7292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Wow, what a stark reminder of how peaceful and well maintained the city was then! We see black & white people going about their business in a peaceful and contented way. The city is clean and everything is well maintained - a far cry form what we see today! Thanks to the ANC, who have had every opportunity to make the previously oppressed people's lives better, it's now an absolute sh*t-hole! The ANC puts it's own greed above the needs of it's people, and things continue to spiral downwards. Sad, but true! When will all South Africans wake up and start supporting a government that puts it's people first, and takes colour out of the equation? It's no longer about colour - it's about pride, honour, capabilities, intent, and execution of duties. We can no longer tolerate lies, theft, and non delivery!

    • @tshepisoramushu5450
      @tshepisoramushu5450 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "black & white people going about their business in a peaceful and contented way" Lol :')

    • @lawsonhellu4718
      @lawsonhellu4718 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Peaceful" as there never has been a single protest back then...

    • @tshepisoramushu5450
      @tshepisoramushu5450 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lawsonhellu4718 You think Black people weren't protesting Apartheid at the time? The 1976 Soweto Uprising? The Mass strikes that erupted when Black workers finally unionized in the 70s? There was so many demonstrations in the 70s. Black People were discontent and oppressed. It's so weird of ya'll to call that peaceful.

    • @lawsonhellu4718
      @lawsonhellu4718 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tshepisoramushu5450 I was just being ironic I know that there has been protests that's why i was responding to him ironically cause he said it was peaceful back then don't worry

  • @khutsotaylor6460
    @khutsotaylor6460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Johannesburg looked so peaceful in the 70s unfortunately now it’s turned into a bio hazard.

    • @lebohangdube3902
      @lebohangdube3902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Violence was the price of that "peace"...
      Wish they showed the condition of the townships at the time

    • @BobyourUncle
      @BobyourUncle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lebohangdube3902 I'm pretty sure the piles of rubble showed at 2:10 is the demolished houses and shops of Fietas, its heartbreaking what so many people went through :(

    • @janalombard9032
      @janalombard9032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lebohangdube3902 Very much the same as they are now.Despite 30 years of democracy!

  • @anitamileham1291
    @anitamileham1291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Those WERE the days. I grew up in Hillbrow and it was amazing, train trips and to watch the view. Carefree with lots of clean places to go out at night. Hillbrow and the city had life💝💝💝

    • @kimaglioti7775
      @kimaglioti7775 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My first apartment/flat was in Hillbrow on Harrow Road. What good memories. I was 17/18.

  • @NtonkaR
    @NtonkaR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    It was well kept and it’s a shame that it has deteriorated to the extent it has. Beyond the mismanagement, the influx of people from other parts of Africa and the rest of the world hasn’t helped either.
    Some day though a new generation of South Africans, black and white, will emerge to collaborate and fix the wrongs of those that came before them so said the optimist in me.

    • @tiddyfard4517
      @tiddyfard4517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      hahahahahaahah good one boss, take a look outside who is looting?

    • @dujardinmtl
      @dujardinmtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hahaha...sad man. Johannesburg today is in a better state than it was in those days. Keep idealizing bygones days because you’ll only live it in your dreams.

    • @NtonkaR
      @NtonkaR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@dujardinmtl denialism is not useful.

    • @NtonkaR
      @NtonkaR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@tiddyfard4517 hopeless people and poor thinkers did the looting

    • @GarfieldAtLasganaParty
      @GarfieldAtLasganaParty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dujardinmtl Johannesburg was way better

  • @zazaza903
    @zazaza903 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    RIP South Africa 😔

    • @njuham
      @njuham 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I only have two die-hard relatives left there, all the rest have buggered off somewhere else.

    • @DeepDive-m2g
      @DeepDive-m2g 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣

    • @anniebrowie9375
      @anniebrowie9375 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      🌿🙏

    • @Cebo88
      @Cebo88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@njuham Good riddance.

    • @n.m6249
      @n.m6249 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We are free at last, thank God oppression is over

  • @lawrenceramalwa8586
    @lawrenceramalwa8586 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Now you can't even walk freely in Joburg, there's so much crime but Braamfontein and parts of Bank city towards Ghandi square, is still okay

    • @valentinemusakasa4335
      @valentinemusakasa4335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes but you weren't allowed to walk back then you black man

    • @moratuwamaleke6923
      @moratuwamaleke6923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My aunt used to work in Jozi back in these days. Walked around as she pleased and was never harassed. She's black.
      We're not saying there wasn't any racism when one had to interact with white people, but you could roam the city freely. No one stopped you from doing that.

  • @averagejack6390
    @averagejack6390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Looking at some of those old cars. Some of them are classics now and are very rare and cost a lot more now than when they were first released on the market back then.

    • @Rudzani
      @Rudzani 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No shit

    • @edombre4637
      @edombre4637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yes, I loved looking at those cars - italian, british, french, german, american, japanese cars - NO korean cars in RSA back then

  • @hopeodyssey
    @hopeodyssey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Arrived there in 75, a much-valued time, in my life... which has carried me through some rough times. Wonderful memories!
    The Hillbrow Tower, with the revolving restaurant on top;
    Down-town Joeys,, leaving work in the afternoon, and always the down-pour, but, that smell, I loved it, the rain. t's alive, I could smell it, just watching the vid'
    Those old Mine-dumps, which we thought were rather weird, turned out to be highly toxic and dangerous, to folks living locally.
    THANK YOU - THANK YOU!
    I laughed at The Ink-spots, music;l man-o-man, does that make me feel ancient, or what!

    • @Zao11010
      @Zao11010  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi do you remember what it was like in the revolving restaurant in the tower I have been looking for so long for any pictures or video of it, I would love to know what it was like.

    • @goproko5695
      @goproko5695 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My mom was on the Hillbrow revolving restaurant she said it was magnificent 😁

    • @isabelnavaro6322
      @isabelnavaro6322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@goproko5695 Why is it not operating?

    • @goproko5695
      @goproko5695 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@isabelnavaro6322 Because of high crime rates over the years it became dangerous to go to the restaurant so they had to closed it down.Its a sad thing to hear that once the CBD was once such a safe place but is now booming with criminals and drug dealers

    • @ca9968
      @ca9968 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@goproko5695 What happened was exactly why the Afrikaners predicted would happen if you let the Hyena out of its cage...it ate everything it saw and turned the landscape into a barren wasteland...

  • @bonganimiya1310
    @bonganimiya1310 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    South Africa was well ahead. This country was already a first world even in 1950, if only our rural areas had had electricity and running water. Very sad we simply stood and then came the ANC.

    • @dujardinmtl
      @dujardinmtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You’re stupid. ANC cannot fix a country ridden by inequality and racism in 20 years. It will take time. In the mean time, bare with them and be a positive force in the country. Because you’re only looking at part of the reality in this videos. They should also for good mesure show how people like you were living in the townships.
      They never thought blacks could survive long enough to be a part of this country. They wanted to use the work force at a cheap cost to build the country while at the same time researching for a virus that target only blacks to eradicate them from the country. Know your history

    • @AnthonyD-yy2in
      @AnthonyD-yy2in 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dujardinmtl there is a campsite called Caronation park outside Johannesburg and that's where poor white people live now, as for the virus to kill all blacks? i think the virus you are talking about is AIDS! and it is killing all peoples around this world, black, brown, white and yellow.

    • @dujardinmtl
      @dujardinmtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@r.mariano8118 I agree 100% with you on this.

    • @zothanimaduna9093
      @zothanimaduna9093 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dujardinmtl 😂thank you for schooling him. Its quite sad that us blacks fail to even merely aknowledge the hardships our grandparents had to go through during these times. Fuck this so called 'clean and peaceful' Joburg. Oksalayo our people weren't free.

    • @dujardinmtl
      @dujardinmtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @David Armstrong David, I honestly like the WE you refer to because it is true that to build forward, it should been done by all citizens of the country. So props to you for such a spirit. Now, I was merely saying that the past was inequal and the present offers far more opportunities to each citizen of the new South Africa. So no need to dwell in the past.

  • @mktherapper6506
    @mktherapper6506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Alot has changed, it was beautiful

  • @quinnkiwalabye7187
    @quinnkiwalabye7187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    It’s the peacefulness for me. Set aside the historical controversies that were happening at the time ... I would have loved to live in that era

    • @JOlivier2011
      @JOlivier2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      and be arbitrarily treated like a second class citizen by the race obsessed psychopaths running the show? Not sure how you could set that aside.
      My dad's an Afrikaner--the stories of racist injustice he saw growing up during this time period are enraging.

    • @ianjacobs2998
      @ianjacobs2998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wish you were there!!!!

    • @Andreschannel_SA
      @Andreschannel_SA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JOlivier2011 Luckily everything is perfect now.

    • @JOlivier2011
      @JOlivier2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Bob X In virtually every aspect of life. But off the top of my head? Going to public beaches for example. Only whites were allowed.

    • @JOlivier2011
      @JOlivier2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Bob X well, I'd rather fight you to the death then live in that world. So I don't know about harmony

  • @Chief2die4
    @Chief2die4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    If this city’s infrastructure looked like this back then and now what did the new government do actually.

    • @setlogolo_sa_Hunadi
      @setlogolo_sa_Hunadi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Loot Money and nothing else..

    • @pre-dawnraid9037
      @pre-dawnraid9037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They added loadshedding and potholes.

    • @Deontjie
      @Deontjie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think they stopped the trains, and the national airlines. The introduced load-shedding and dirty drinking water.

    • @saritshull3909
      @saritshull3909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      steal

    • @graemebartmann7872
      @graemebartmann7872 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sweet fuck all ☝️🤣🤣🤣

  • @peter.alixhuebscher1119
    @peter.alixhuebscher1119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    The railway line still had tracks!! And the trolley bus, wow. Spot the Alfa Berlina. Things functioned seamlessly in those days. Have to say I miss them.

    • @michaelnunn3669
      @michaelnunn3669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      so much for so called progress. I lived and worked in Joburg in 1975 till 76 and resided in Abel Road, Berea. Certainly had some fun there and great food in some great restaurants. Hillbrow/Berea was like a part of Europe in Africa. You just dont know what you missed!

    • @stormcox4578
      @stormcox4578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The double-decker buses reminded me of when I was in London 6 years ago. I didn’t even know my parents drove in those. Talking about railways, if you go to Johannesburg park station and look at the railway tracks below all you see is rubbish and old, unused trains.

    • @skhathimthembu591
      @skhathimthembu591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You miss apartheid.

    • @Vryheid
      @Vryheid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@skhathimthembu591 And?

    • @AlienAbles420
      @AlienAbles420 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@skhathimthembu591is what you have now better?

  • @gsmokeg8563
    @gsmokeg8563 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Seeing people walking around without masks on really hits different

  • @Aaron_Bleu
    @Aaron_Bleu ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Beautiful video and song, thank you

  • @saritshull3909
    @saritshull3909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    As someone who's from Johburg and is born-free this is so weird for 2 reasons
    Firstly there's just so many white people and hardly any black people which just really hits home how segregated South Africans' lives were.
    And also it looks so nice and clean. These days those same streets and buildings in Town are run-down and unmaintained.
    Why couldn't we have kept the good parts of old South Africa? These days it feels like we threw the baby out with the bath water

    • @soooslaaal8204
      @soooslaaal8204 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You just answered your own question, the cognitive dissonance is huge. Why indeed couldn't the good parts of South Africa remain when they were built by white people for white people, as soon as they were taken from the equation Bantus reverted to their natural order, not unlike you would see in Lusaka or Maputo

    • @robertfoster7807
      @robertfoster7807 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jo burg who took the Annus out of Johannesburg its now called joannusburg

  • @thabosiphiwemngoma4772
    @thabosiphiwemngoma4772 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The city was much cleaner than it is now. It will get there again when our people go through the right amount of evolution.

    • @11window12
      @11window12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ya but how much damage will be caused until such time, and what if the damage irreversible? There are many capable people in South Africa from all walks of life, all races and genders. Surely a good start would be to get rid of the ANC?

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So in like 20000 years?

  • @ed838wefnrkj
    @ed838wefnrkj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I am a ZA (not Saudi Arabia) born Turk, my parents moved back home when I was 4 and they always kept talking about how ZA was so much better and prettier than Turkey back then. They had a good life and in relatively short time saved enough money to start their own business here. It's really sad to read all the comments saying how bad it is today, I hope for all South Africans that one day you guys can finally stop sabotaging yourselves and finally look ahead. (I also wish that for my own country tbh)

    • @pre-dawnraid9037
      @pre-dawnraid9037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Show yourself one black majority African country that is a success....I'll wait.

    • @moggtheboss3087
      @moggtheboss3087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@pre-dawnraid9037 Botswana, they turned what used to be a terrible country with a crippling economy into a masterpiece that is one of the most richest countries (if not the richest) in Africa without a single civil war, here’s a video that explains it better than I ever could.
      th-cam.com/video/VslKKgYvVKU/w-d-xo.html

    • @user2kffs
      @user2kffs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the story

    • @pre-dawnraid9037
      @pre-dawnraid9037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@moggtheboss3087 Botswana is not a success. Maybe stable but still dirt poor. Try again.

    • @moggtheboss3087
      @moggtheboss3087 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pre-dawnraid9037 watch the video you melt

  • @hopendulula6237
    @hopendulula6237 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Wow Johannesburg use to be beautiful back then

    • @michaelnunn3669
      @michaelnunn3669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are so many Cities around the World that you can say that about!

  • @guytero8812
    @guytero8812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    So very sad. It was so safe back then.

    • @sfisobuthelezi3054
      @sfisobuthelezi3054 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Safe for only Europeans

    • @chickenalaking1319
      @chickenalaking1319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@sfisobuthelezi3054
      "It's all so tiresome"

    • @hopebuhali3887
      @hopebuhali3887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That was a sad era in South Africa.

    • @jimpreast5268
      @jimpreast5268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@hopebuhali3887 Is it better now?

    • @chickenalaking1319
      @chickenalaking1319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jimpreast5268
      Have you seen the news? Lol

  • @janalombard9032
    @janalombard9032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    A world class African city.The perfect example of an oxymoron!

  • @fabricemwandopaul1740
    @fabricemwandopaul1740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Currently live in Johannesburg. Hillbrow is totally damaged and part of the CBD also damaged. But when you go deep in the CBD i would say Johannesburg is still a nice town now we have Sandton City which makes Johannesburg looks more beautiful

    • @enzee1245
      @enzee1245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      class and gendrification

    • @zophynoy2452
      @zophynoy2452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Randburg looks great. I've been all around there and it's the best of joburg for me. Santon too

    • @pcoetzer71
      @pcoetzer71 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sandton is agony!

  • @stormphillips854
    @stormphillips854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Amazing how everything still looks the same today after all these years, not much has changed apart from how dirty it is now but in infrastructure very little .

    • @brendavandyk671
      @brendavandyk671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You obviously haven't spent time there of late

    • @menzimngadi6793
      @menzimngadi6793 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well a lot has changed in the periphery. Like all South African cities, businesses tend to move out into newer developments etc.

  • @hanoiboy9839
    @hanoiboy9839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Brings back memories from a time long gone. Thank you for sharing.

    • @fezilemkohli6844
      @fezilemkohli6844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You mean Apartheid? Lol!

    • @hanoiboy9839
      @hanoiboy9839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      At least is was safe then LOL

    • @candicempoyi
      @candicempoyi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fezilemkohli6844 right?! Lol. They all so daft

    • @KoketsoKF
      @KoketsoKF 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hanoiboy9839 safe for who
      Black people??? Yeah sure🤨

    • @HemlockPro
      @HemlockPro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fezilemkohli6844 haha sad boi

  • @ladysu5127
    @ladysu5127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    RIP to the cleanliness and safety ...

  • @neilpieterse9614
    @neilpieterse9614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Up until the early 90’s Johannesburg, were beautifull and well run, we always took the train from Pretoria to park station to watch rugby at Ellispark. I passed thru joburg the wY they call it these days 2 years ago and to say the least it is a crying shame.

  • @johnjames6620
    @johnjames6620 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    And it was clean. Can you imagine the railway tracks now!

    • @Sarge-ue5ov
      @Sarge-ue5ov 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      there are no railway tracks left

    • @stewartw.9151
      @stewartw.9151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gone, stolen and sold for scrap value!

  • @ingridkuhlmann3187
    @ingridkuhlmann3187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Oh wow, days when walking through town and Hillbrow were possible

    • @makerkandike9810
      @makerkandike9810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s still possible 🙄

    • @Kamstarr12
      @Kamstarr12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I got lost during the night in hillbrow, but was funny everybody i asked for directions kept saying,"whatever you do dont ask anybody for directions"

  • @kimaglioti7775
    @kimaglioti7775 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Clean and pretty. Love the music to this sweet video too. Purrrrrffffect xxxxx 💔💔💔💔.

  • @frederickngwenya4082
    @frederickngwenya4082 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Beautiful video showing the positive sites of our historical past. Unemployment figures were always below 10% and Joburg was a big name world wide. I did not like apartheid and I still don't like it but the truth is: The afrikaner nation has built SA second to none in Africa

    • @11window12
      @11window12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The Jews in South Africa also played a huge role in building the economy

    • @henkmeiring01
      @henkmeiring01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@11window12 Dis wat my so vies maak oor sommige Suid Afrikaners wat neerhalend teenoor Jode is.Dekades terug het Joodse smouse en handelaars groot rol in koop en verkoop van boerdery produkte gespeel.Plaas tot plaas gery.En massiewe rol gespeel in algemene ekonomie.Eintlik vandag nog groot rol,maar word agteraf geminag.Verstaan nie my eie ou boerenasie.

    • @masivikamalandwa8666
      @masivikamalandwa8666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The truth👏🏾👏🏾

    • @11window12
      @11window12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@henkmeiring01 Van die grootste versekerings-, farmaseutiese, finansiële, ingenieurs- en wettige maatskappye word deur Jode in Suid-Afrika besit. As hulle almal weggaan (amper 50% sedert 1998), sal dit lei tot die ineenstorting van die Suid-Afrikaanse ekonomie. Elke land wat Jode gehad het en nie meer het nie, het 'n ekonomiese ineenstorting beleef. Vergewe my. Afrikaans is nie my eerste taal soos jy kan sien nie.

    • @henkmeiring01
      @henkmeiring01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@11window12 Presies!Nou wil ek dit verder vat:die wêreld het swak houding teenoor Jode.Maar dink nie watse massiewe rol so relatief klein nasie speel nie.Vat ons kundigheid weg wat van Joodse afkoms is,sit ons in middeleeue.

  • @thabangciroc
    @thabangciroc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I wish people of Johannesburg had given ActionSA a chance

    • @PeterJohnJnb
      @PeterJohnJnb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Word!!!

    • @Deontjie
      @Deontjie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are smart, the other voters are not. They belief the lies of corrupt politicians every time.

    • @honeybadger1656
      @honeybadger1656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm starting to think that our voting system is rigged or people are being forced to vote anc.

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean the guys that keep deepthroating the EFF?

  • @giannamokoka8212
    @giannamokoka8212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It was clean and beautiful ❤

    • @نيأشكأ
      @نيأشكأ หลายเดือนก่อน

      there is no internet there, that's bad, you won't be able to play brawl stars there

  • @leonhue722
    @leonhue722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Africa has come to roost in Jhb slowly reducing it into a Slum.

    • @djdanzo206
      @djdanzo206 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hopebuhali3887 ostlaela sahn wan kutlwa?
      Fokof
      Jys maal
      Jy het jou kop verloor

  • @siphiwembiyela3886
    @siphiwembiyela3886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The truth is that this country has been in the wrong hands for the past 27 years

    • @c-lia3840
      @c-lia3840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I honestly don't know if anyone else would be able to do a better job.. It seems politicians just care about money, not actually making things better smh

    • @c-lia3840
      @c-lia3840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also, it wasn't in the right hands before 1994 either, so is there even such a thing as the right hands for a country to be in

    • @suppylarue220
      @suppylarue220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@c-lia3840 isn't it always about the politicians? of the politicians, by the politicians, for the politicians.

    • @c-lia3840
      @c-lia3840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@suppylarue220 just to clarify, what I meant by politicians was the people who are in control of the country ,I don't know the correct words tehehe

    • @louisvanniekerk2612
      @louisvanniekerk2612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@c-lia3840In terms of effectiveness it was. It was developed into a first world and the ANC with their immoral stands destroyed it. Only Christ can save this country and He will only do so if we start recognizing Him as the Only true God and open parliament in His Name. Stop blaming start building by excluding the ANC fom governance. Further, ignore race and vote for the most competent to enable the masses to benefit and to grow intellectually. Enforce Law thereafter the Education System because witbout Law there is no education. Further, people must also take responsibility foor their actions and surroundings stop urinating and littering. Stop entitlement and start building start working there is no short cut to success only hard work. 30 % as a passing rate does not produce greatness but failure. Lets work together and become great or work against each other and sink together.

  • @mariewalker4010
    @mariewalker4010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lived in hillbrow in 76 78 loved it very clean could walk home on your own in the dark it's ruined now

  • @Rowanb123
    @Rowanb123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Not a supporter of racism, but just to remind our fellow South Africans if they can remember why there was racial segregation in the first place. It was because different groups like Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele, Sotho, Shangaan, and Venda had constant tribal conflicts and were plagued by tribal warfare for land. Not that all groups were violent but one or the other was in conflict regardless and all suffered. That is when they all were given their land to practice their own culture without needing to take land by conquest. It was the UK and Israel that think tanked, funded, and illegally armed the ANC, not to liberate black people from "Apartheid" but to weaken a powerful, first-world country. South Africa was a world leader in the medical and military development field. Our soldiers were one of the hardiest and most disciplined. The ANC murdered 10k plus of black people who opposed their terrorist ways and ideology in their so-called "People's War" which was just a propaganda label for the ANC/Zionist war. Black people were burned to death by means of necklacing. The worst way to burn to death, since you can't pass out from the smoke. The toppling of South Africa coincides with the toppling of other countries who rejected to be enslaved by the Zionist Central Bank. The fate of all countries who rejected that. The first thing installed in those countries after they were toppled was a Central bank. Go figure. Today the ANC is still creating conflict and dividing a nation with racial propaganda and lies. Even black people were better off back then. Can't say the same for the rich ANC cadres who live rich lives while the rest of the poor South Africans struggles harder than ever before.

  • @madcat4563
    @madcat4563 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm from Cape Town, but wow look how clean the sky is as well as the environment.
    I always wonder where all those old cars dissappear too.
    I could not help but think while watching this: Where did it all go wrong?

    • @dutchvanderlinde9991
      @dutchvanderlinde9991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      All went wrong after apartheid ended and the ANC came into power. While I don’t think that apartheid should have continued; I think the country was much better back then overall. Sad… Very sad…

    • @madcat4563
      @madcat4563 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dutchvanderlinde9991 Yep, couldn't think of a better way at the time to say it.
      But yes Apartheid was definitely morally incorrect.
      Just wish it turned out better afterwards, because it can't be denied that things have gone backwards. 😟

    • @chocon8818
      @chocon8818 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Madcat 456, the sky and the environment all over Africa was clean, free from plastics for millions of years before the white man set his dirty feet in Africa. We were living in perfect communion with nature, we had no jails, disagreement were settled by our elders. It was paradise before the whites arrived in Africa.

    • @goodman4093
      @goodman4093 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dutchvanderlinde9991 afrikaans caused it . They ought to have ended apartheid early and start integration of blacks gradually. The decay won't have come. Now both the afrikaans and blacks cannot live I SA

    • @emilschneider9974
      @emilschneider9974 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Three letters. ANC

  • @pumporientatedathletes-sa2513
    @pumporientatedathletes-sa2513 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Many will bash me for saying this, but if the apartheid government was still in power South Africa would be way much better than it is today in terms of infrastructure, economy, education. The only thing that would be a problem is segregation. I have a dream that one day South Africa will be a corruption free country and that there won't no black and white or Indans and coloureds but just one happy United Republic Of South Africa.

    • @humanbeing4841
      @humanbeing4841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hate to piss on your bonfire but that ain't ever going to happen. South Africa's only hope is the become a federation of provinces where the provinces can govern autonomously. Western Cape and Northern Cape will be unite and will flourish while the rest of the country will rot.

    • @ImmortalJo3_E46
      @ImmortalJo3_E46 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@humanbeing4841 not a bad idea tbh

    • @Sibstajimjam1719
      @Sibstajimjam1719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What a load of rubbish this is, it doesn’t matter how good the infrastructure would be you would still be living in poverty and not being able to use the education facilities that white people would use, so why don’t you count your blessings and pray every night that you are able to live in this time of South African history instead of being ungrateful.

    • @daneherandien4770
      @daneherandien4770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      America and the rest of the world would have put sanctions on us, we would have end up worse then Zimbabwe.

    • @GanjaNinja
      @GanjaNinja 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sibstajimjam1719 umm he did not say he will be rich he just said the infrastructure and economy would be better than todays

  • @francisplatt93
    @francisplatt93 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Infinitely better than today

    • @tfmkhonza5084
      @tfmkhonza5084 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Coz it was cleaned by slave hey

    • @francisplatt93
      @francisplatt93 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@tfmkhonza5084 bring them slaves back then

    • @francisplatt93
      @francisplatt93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hyamick7584 😂😂

    • @chickenalaking1319
      @chickenalaking1319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Muh slavery

    • @dujardinmtl
      @dujardinmtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s never coming back...dream on.

  • @kamoheloradebe1230
    @kamoheloradebe1230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Downtown Joburg was much cleaner and maintained back then. Seems like joburg expanded northwards more these days. Great city then and now.

    • @TehMr
      @TehMr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That’s literally what happened business and the investment money moved to sandton to restart the CBD project

    • @moratuwamaleke6923
      @moratuwamaleke6923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not now. It's become a filthy hell hole. Let's not kid ourselves.

  • @Steven_nevetS
    @Steven_nevetS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow, so clean and transport working..... Amazing

  • @mawisa4life
    @mawisa4life 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    a complete shadow of it's former self. just check the cleanliness and beautiful atmosphere. today the city is a dumpster town, people pissing wherever they want, littering, rats all over, drug infested & you get robbed in broad daylight and nobody even cares to help u. very sad

  • @dipayanchakraborty4751
    @dipayanchakraborty4751 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    South Africa could have become a country like Australia.

  • @quochaohoang6560
    @quochaohoang6560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Can't believe it!!!! Johannesburg is in Africa, so modern and with no poverty, I think I'm in America are another developed country!! |^-^|

    • @gladwinmohlamonyane4033
      @gladwinmohlamonyane4033 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤣 the poverty was hidden next door to the city for cheap labour. Our parents needed to get passed that allowed them to traverse the city (for specific reasons) during the day. We just see it now cause everybody went there to make a living of some sort.

  • @thabangtladi8247
    @thabangtladi8247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Black South Africans used to work in this area before the so called African brothers flock in to our country🤦‍♂️I blame Mandela

  • @waderedelinghuys6114
    @waderedelinghuys6114 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    negatives: apartheid
    positives: everything else

    • @sneckotheveggieavenger9380
      @sneckotheveggieavenger9380 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It was clean because of apartheid.
      Two very different cultures
      One stone age
      One industrial

    • @JimmieCooper-le6vj
      @JimmieCooper-le6vj 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Speak for yourself !! 👌

  • @mechailreydon3784
    @mechailreydon3784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I can imagine this is what medieval Europeans felt like when they looked at the ruins of the Roman Empire

    • @Paul-os1fr
      @Paul-os1fr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We're not that lucky. Medieval Europeans knew that things were probably going to get better for them, or at least not get any worse. They weren't seeing their own culture that they had grown up in in ruins, but a different one. The bad stuff that happened to Rome had ended a long time ago.
      Us? We're still in Rome. It's around 400 AD, our armies aren't as invincible as they once were, we're got all kinds of internal strife and division, and we're looking back at Julius Caesar's time right now.

    • @youtubesangryopinionramble1465
      @youtubesangryopinionramble1465 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cry you western chauvinist fascist

  • @pauljarvis4132
    @pauljarvis4132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I’m not gonna lie that is really clean

  • @garymyambo4176
    @garymyambo4176 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Makes me want to cry 😢😢😢

    • @isabelnavaro6322
      @isabelnavaro6322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too!

    • @TumeloMafora-l4d
      @TumeloMafora-l4d 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same here, bro. Black or White, Can we take our country to be great again? 😢

  • @nicolenepike7571
    @nicolenepike7571 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A peaceful place without evil, crime rediculous hate speech and blackouts. NO traffic congestion and pestering car guards.What heaven on earth it was 👍.

  • @CadianCreations
    @CadianCreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My fellow South Africans - remember this, your country is beautiful, unfortunately we have all taken it for granted. Don't let government govern you. YOU ARE THE DIFFERENCE. If one man can make a forest over the course of his lifetime then what can a nation do for its people. We are united, don't let words anger you - we are all God's people, let's do Godly things and give our beloved nation back to its people.
    NO GOVERNMENT! If only my generation existed back then, would we see that we have created our own demise.
    The people of Joburg are weak and need to pray for God's forgiveness as they have forgotten Him. That's why our once beloved city is now equivalent to a rubbish dump filled with foreign crime instigators and no civil society.
    May God show us all the way of the truth.
    Thank you for this video -
    PS: Heritage Day is false or shouldn't exist as our people have forgotten what it actually means. Government should call it Corruption Day or the Day of Lost Civil Rights.
    My opinion and solution to this is STOP allowing foreigners to own the businesses in the CBD - Give IT back to OUR People.
    BBBEEE is also not empowering black people but enforcing foreign investment away from us. Unfortunately our Government only sees R's not the virtue in its Citizens.
    God bless South Africa - please forgive our Sins.
    Blessed are the meek. I disagree, Apartheid should've reigned forever. Our Country was better off.
    NKOSI SIKELEL IAFRIKA - use this phrase and wipe your ass with it and rub it on your face, that's Johannesburg CBD under ANC reign for those who don't know.
    A good tree bares no bad fruit - a bad tree bares no good fruit. Listen to the voice that guides you.
    Good luck fellow South Africans.

  • @angiemarley5856
    @angiemarley5856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    When it wasn’t overpopulated and clean.

    • @BlackDoveNYC
      @BlackDoveNYC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s not overpopulated now.

    • @n.m6249
      @n.m6249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You mean when it was s white only city

    • @shakeelkhan9969
      @shakeelkhan9969 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Befor nice and pace cilen

    • @n.m6249
      @n.m6249 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shakeelkhan9969 I see you are Muslim, please pray that people of SA get cleansed of racism. It still runs deep in people's hearts and minds yet they claim to worship God. But they can't have brotherly love

  • @mariamanuelaoliveirafiguei9780
    @mariamanuelaoliveirafiguei9780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Tenho Saudades destes anos passados!! Pátria do meu Coração!! É a Pátria dos meus Filhos!! Hoje tudo mudou gostei imenso de ver a Linda Cidade de Johanesburgo

    • @borisalanarana2590
      @borisalanarana2590 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Eu nasci aí em 68 e morei até 78. Daí fui para o Brasil (São Paulo), onde estou até hoje.

  • @aadithsookhdeo5944
    @aadithsookhdeo5944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wasn't around so this is just amazing to see. I work in the CBD so it's quite amazing to see the difference now.

  • @daayiz2352
    @daayiz2352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly why is everyone so disciplined and clean and prosperous? What a different life.

  • @neelananthony4794
    @neelananthony4794 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So clean and so safe,, now the total opposite,, this country fell terribly...

  • @jmcvlam
    @jmcvlam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Judging by the cars it looks more like the 60s but still an awesome memory.

  • @SakheleNtaba
    @SakheleNtaba 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Try shooting similar footage today...
    that camera/phone won't stay in your possession very long.

  • @josephvanwyk2088
    @josephvanwyk2088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why is there an American 1930s blues playing over a 1970s South African B-roll.

    • @BlackDoveNYC
      @BlackDoveNYC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wondered the same thing. Stylistically though, it is an inspired choice.

  • @FZ2HELL
    @FZ2HELL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    She's gone. And will never come back. It's people that make a city not the buildings. The people have left. Johannesburg is no more.

  • @marshallwilken993
    @marshallwilken993 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We will never see it this clean again

  • @pauljarvis4132
    @pauljarvis4132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    South African born in the late 90s is really actually makes me sad Johannesburg is nearly perfect just take away the racism minutes perfect 😍

    • @beautylolowya1059
      @beautylolowya1059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Coke Weasel if more white South African could utter such statement... But unfortunately almost all white South African says life was better during Apartheid...
      Meaningful it was better for them not blacks. Whay a selfish statement they like to utter.

  • @snhongo1
    @snhongo1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful video ...thanks for uploading

  • @tracymark9173
    @tracymark9173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Oh wow. I can't believe it. Who knows where in JHB and the name of the street that statue of the unicorn was and the name of the building it was in front of?? Does that statue still exist?? It has such important memories attached to it for me. I have been searching for year to find someone who remembers it. But no one does. I nearly fell of the bed when I saw it now. Thank you for posting this. Wow. I am in shock.

    • @TehMr
      @TehMr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ll tell you when I get to the office I’m driving right now

    • @Malisti04
      @Malisti04 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TehMr you are watchi TH-cam while driving...
      Can't give a name lol

    • @tracymark9173
      @tracymark9173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Please don't send prank answers. As I said it has very important memories attached to it. And giving me false hope hurts.

    • @tracymark9173
      @tracymark9173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Nisa B Astroloa Tenk thank you so much. The memory is actually more with the statue. But the building was with it. I don't want to give too much away over the internet as their are so many people out there who can't be trusted. But I appreciate you letting me know. Thank you.

  • @telcobilly
    @telcobilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I lived at the YMCA on Rissik St in '78. Started my first full time job at the JSE as a computer operator on a mainframe IBM. I used to walk to work right past the main train station. Jo'burg was on it's way down back then. I hear it's a real hellscape now.. haven't been back to SA since I left in '79 to return to the US.

  • @ayaya123451
    @ayaya123451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thanks ANC for Destroying everything

  • @ZionaLotz
    @ZionaLotz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This isn't about the old regime of apartheid, this was when we were proud of our country. Back then we maintained our infrastructure and we had public servants in the public sector that actually did what they were paid for. It was not an "Afrikaner" thing,I have an English Father and Afrikaans mother. Everybody did their part, the streets were clean, we had a railway system, no power outages, the death penalty, SAA was rated as one of the top airways. Corruption, mismanagement and greed has brought us where we are today, certainly not Apartheid although that word has become the scapegoat for just over 30 years. What a waste.

  • @allengardenroutelife8787
    @allengardenroutelife8787 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Old time like New York

    • @visorij3374
      @visorij3374 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      New York City was a shithole in the 70s and 80s it’s definitely better now.

    • @rehehehehehehehehehe
      @rehehehehehehehehehe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@visorij3374 it was fine now & the before 2001, Until A Muslim Plane Kissed The Twin Towers

    • @mugammadbenjamin2597
      @mugammadbenjamin2597 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rehehehehehehehehehe not Muslim.

    • @hyamick7584
      @hyamick7584 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rehehehehehehehehehe American*

    • @tfmkhonza5084
      @tfmkhonza5084 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rehehehehehehehehehe you can't bomb innocent people oil and expect they won't want revenge, America smell blood everywhere they go

  • @johnm84
    @johnm84 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Look at how lovely nice clean and well maintained Johannesburg was back then. Johannesburg was very safe back then too. Today Johannesburg is a dump. Johannesburg today is dirty run down chaotic and very dangerous.

  • @esthernaude1671
    @esthernaude1671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ah, nostalgia....! Feels like yesterday.

  • @gerhardsteyn-d4k
    @gerhardsteyn-d4k 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The good old days when everything worked like a well oiled machine!

  • @nikanaughty
    @nikanaughty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Cool music as well.
    Goodbye South Africa.
    It will not get better.

  • @francisgeere1849
    @francisgeere1849 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does anyone know the suburb of GREENSIDE? I lived in Hoylake road.Lovely times