I like it! I’d rather have a well balanced fertility rate to avoid too many laws and crime. We’ve seen people who remake projects, now we remake simple life. This has been my plan since 2019.
I agree definitely one of his more underrated videos because I’ve been thinking about it and with the way we’re going this is not sustainable long-term
The rise of incelibate men and women's increasing standards is massively underrated as a cause of the declining birth rate. All the factors you discussed "it's too expensive" etc. only come into play when you have the OPTION to have kids. More and more men are locked out of the dating market and therefore denied the ability to reproduce. Meanwhile, women are casually hooking up with the same men in relationships that are not serious enough to consider having kids, and most would rather die alone than start a family with a man they see as below them.
The polls is the only available data unfortunately. While I do agree what you’re saying is true it’s just not going to come out in the polls. Women are hardly going to say “I haven’t had kids because I’ve been sleeping around throughout my teens and 20s”
all this because men's work is free for women. and people lose respect if something is free. just ask random women on the street if they need men and you will see. men doing invisible work for the greatness of society are not considered worthy.
This is what I keep saying, women want the top 10% of men. If you're an average Joe then you have no chance. I'm a warehouse operative but I enjoy it, however this means I have even less of a chance!
at this point its impossible to increase birth rates in 1st world, instagram, tinder, etc encourage to live like bloggers and women are hive minded to pursue what the majority says its over
I am very surprised that in my opinion the most obvious answers didn't appear?! For men: I didn't find a descent partner! And for women: I didn't find a partner who met my standarts!
Yep! This right here! The real answers are the ones that are always denied but in reality it is true. I can't get a girlfriend because obviously I must not meet their ridiculously high standards. Spoke to some girls that were short and I'm 5"9 And that is too short for them, even though I am taller than them
For me the main factor is TIME. Nowdays both parents work too many hours and grandparents are still working (high reirement age). I don't want to have children and then only be with them at the weekends, while the rest of the time they're being educated by who knows who.
I think it’s easy to tell from these videos that they are made by people who don’t have kids! They don’t appreciate the complex relatives affecting families (I say this as a married mum of 3).
The problem with time is also linked to money. A single income household can barely survive, if at all. I live with my long-time partner, and would consider having children if he earned more money, so I could stay at home with them. But in our current situation, it would not be possible, and where I live kindergarden is SO expensive that half a salary would go into it. So I would work the same, not see my children, AND lose half a salary to have them stay some place strange? No thanks, I prefer my life as it is now.
The cost of raising a kid is 250K. Unless politicians are willing to start handing out checks, they better not talk about declining birth rates. I don't want to hear it.
Your tax break proposal is what used to be called a "bachelor tax" (which didn't just apply to men). History shows it will not work. The food stamp and extra curricular ideas would more likely become a social credit system which uses Central Bank Digital Currencies which would force people to do what they are told or face financial and social consequences. Like what has been introduced in China. Such as logging and grading food purchases, whether someone frequently goes to the gym or partakes in social and active community activities. The thing is, this is very illiberal and authoritarian.
It's not illiberal and authoritarian. in Brazil people on welfare need to prove their kids are on school and vacinnated (not covid vaccine), in Switzerland you must to prove you're still on school every 6 months in order to get government's money. If society agrees that doing sports is as important as going to school and so it's a valid prerequisite for welfare.
The final blackpill is that if you think like this then you actually don’t deserve to reproduce. Or if you can’t find a female who is willing to reproduce with you, then you also do not actually deserve to reproduce and females are doing their jobs as evolutionary gatekeepers keeping bad genes out of our gene pool. Very harsh but true when you think about it.
I'm actually ok with people not having children if they don't want to. I'm lucky that my parents really wanted me, but some kids aren't so lucky. Leave parenthood to the people who are willing to sacrifice for it, rather than pushing people to a lifestyle they ultimately don't want.
It’s not actually that simple, those same people (in theory unaffected by their own singular decisions) will be deeply and directly affected by the cumulative effects of a crumbling, aged out, top heavy civilization, as every social and economic support system unravels around them. For the people who want kids as well. There will be no unaffected parties in this particular scenario. Ship goes down with everyone, at least in terms of standards of living people are used to now. No one forced people to have kids before, it was just a social/religious expectation that was socially rewarded. Rewards are gone, expectations are gone, people are increasingly gone too.
@@NerdlySquared People was forced to make children by economics, ideology, social pressure. Now all of this are gone, and nothing new, nothing better, was created to replace this. People just don't understand why children are necessary.
it's ok if the number is under control, but clearly it isn't the case, we're having a pandemic of childless people and it will eventually ruin the pensions, then the economic and the culture and society. it's like if everybody decided to be TH-camrs, hopefully you eventually you notice you can't get money and you will look for another job, but for kids there isn't any incentive to forget the idea
Rise of social media and hookup culture is also one of the leading reasons for this situation. As before, people genuinely used to interact and have real relations that weren't just for benefits . And the idea that I want to live my life to the fullest is also a reason to not having kids I think....
I agree with this, women mate up and across dominance hierarchy, this includes socioeconomic hierarchy and genetic hierarchy* (as unconformable it's sound), we can't fight biology, the fact that we all here is because a woman found a man suitable for the continuity of his genes. Female conceled ovulation alowed her to certain extend choose with who to mate, again we can't fight biology at expenses of detrimental results. Back to my first point which states that women wouldn't breed with males who perceived inferior in one or two of those described traits, they rather not reproduce if the outcome it's more likely to result in uncompetitive offspring.
People just look at peoples lives with kids and see how unappealing it looks, realising they actually have a choice now rather than go with status quo. Why should people have to have kids?
Yes, it is rational to analyze what happens when you have children and decide not to have any. I don't know why so many people assume propaganda artists are needed.
A few decades ago, a man could afford a family with a large house and 2 cars. The mum could stay at home as well. Nowadays you are lucky if you could pay rent with two working adults in a relationship. It objectively is much more costly today.
It is almost impossible not to fall into the selfish category in individualistic modern societies. Sadly, East Asia that are stereotypically perceived to be more community driven isn’t spared from the selfish mindset and is even doing worse than many western countries. Many Asians are just sick and tired of parental and social pressures, hence are going full hermit. I have to admit that I’m also part of the problem but it is mostly because I lack the confidence and have trust issues when it comes to dealing with other people.
I agree. While Wheat explains the decline of birth rate from an economic perspective in the West, the birth rate decline from East Asia, factors from a cultural perspective. While governments are trying to solve the birth rate economically, but can't solve the birth rate socially and culturally. Sadly East Asians face cultural competitiveness in education and career, rather by having a importance of starting a family.
South Korea is blackpilled asf. You literally have plastic surgery advertising in the subway. Japan is the same. At the end of the day, looks are everything. Japan has had the incel NEET phenomenon for the past 30 years
@@TheHarwoodButcher. True. Japan and Korea have a typical wage slave mentality. It's actually very hard to start your own business in these countries. You work and die for your boss and firm, that's the norm over there. They also have the smallest dicks in the world which adds to the BP and hikkimokori trend
I am "divorced dad". You really nailed it! The plague of single mum is really everywhere. I do not know the system in UK. But in Germany you have an entire industry and public organizations (state money!) working for the single mums. The family court system is perverted.
Epidemic of single mothers in the UK as well mate. They plague the dating apps! Wanting to find some poor schmuck to pay for children that aren't theirs. No accountability, no responsibility for their reckless actions either.
Dude, I am 40 years old and want one more child. And all the girls I even got close to with cold approach were all single moms. Too many of them. Gross. I could never accept them for what I want in a family. I LOOK 25 and teach high school. I'm 6'1" and lift heavy 5 days a week. I weigh 190 lbs. I have the typical body that women tend to be attracted to. The school powerlifting coach tried to recruit me last month because he thought I am a student. Doesn't sound TOO bad, right? Yet these chickas be picky AF. I'm pretty much being dumped by a 35 year-old fat chick who told me I can still f*ck her, but she can't commit to me otherwise. She demands to be nonmonogamous. That sickens me. Obviously I'm not good enough. Once again, she is fat, I am above her in appearance. She was once thinner and hotter. And no, she doesn't even want children, though two years ago she asked me if she can still see me if I find a woman to have children with. Once yet again, I will remind you, she's fat. It's not even as good as it sounds. Fat chicks are super stuck-up and still not happy with men out of their league.
The money for having children thing does not work. Polish government has introduced a welfare program called 500+ in 2015, where each family would receive 500 PLN (roughly 100 bucks) per months per every underage child they have. It did not raise the fertility rate at all. Instead, it made people demand more and more welfare, plus it put a bad stigma on having children, as many low class people would pop multiple kids and live off welfare.
so basically governments have 2 options they can incentivize you or they can point a loaded rifle down your head and force you i remember reading governments have 2 options for compliance pleasure or pain
yeah that's partly acknowledged as an issue when he mentioned about verifying the money actually goes to the kid instead of just used by the parents on themselves. Hard problem to solve, basically a question of how to force actual good behavior rather than appearing compliant only long enough to collect rewards and then going back to crap actions.
@@arsenal4444 And doing so without introducing authoritarian and Orwellian measures such as a social credit system backed up with digital currency that can be controlled.
I was just going to write the same. Smart people having doubts and concerns about having children, while pat**logy breeding like 🐇🐇 We're living in the "Idiocracy" movie.
Uhhh no, the reason birth rates are declining are due to the increased costs of raising a child. People in developed urban areas are less likely to want a child. Don't intertwine black pill ideas about dating with this it's a bad look. You can acknowledge the inherent unfairness and problems associated with modern dating without saying it's the cause of other problems
Indeed. Urbanization and idsustrialization makes children go from labor source and pension plan to high priced hobby. Why do many people not want kids in developed economies? For the same reason they don't want a horse? No thanks, it's another mouth to feed and another shit to shovel.
Excuse me but calling "not want to put children in a perverted and degenerated society with more and more rising living costs " as selfish is wrong. I thing it's a basic human instinct. For me the only possibility to start a family ist going abroad when I have enough wealth and education.
Seriously, it is scary how society is trying to force people to have kids in this corrupted society. Why don't they ever mention kids who need to be adopted. There are lots abandoned kids. I think they want women to have kids so they can have children to prey on. I have two and I see the corruption and have to deal with so much bs brainwashing of certain people. Women want to have children in safe and secure environments. Men want to deny that this world is so corrupt and perverted.
@claudio where are you from? I'm from India and came to Canada last year for studies and believe me even here everything is expensive. Raising children is a costly affair even with the state proving a certain monthly sum to parents. So I think getting married and having kids is purely a personal choice because no one is free today to raise kids. Everybody is busy and inflation is everywhere.
i think the cost of having kids is a legitimate concern. i mean im going to bring them into this world just to have them suffer and there's no guarantee they're going to make it. you can see how that could cause uncertainty and anxiety there.
@@WheatWaffles i mean will my kids be able to get good careers. will they be able to finish school. will they not get their a** kicked at school. will they be mugged or killed by random thugs. will they have families of their own. will they be able to find someone to mate with et. lots of things.
@@WheatWaffles "doing just fine" doesn't cut, its not like you doing a favor, when parents make decision to bring life which is one sided (we know children can't consent) its their responsibility to give them best life possible if they think they can't they shouldn't be having them doesnt matter if population is at 7bill or at last 1 billion
@@cbazxy2697 in a industrial/post industrial environment... population needs trumps our personal desires. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
If you don't have kids the kids that ARE born have to suffer more. By not having kids you are intensifying the suffering of the existing ones. They will have to work harder to support the elderly.
I don't have kids because I don't fit the criteria in what women want nowadays, I can't compete against the dudes that they see in their algorithms so I don't get selected. Also I don't really have a way to meet women other than street approach or going out to the bar/club scene, which both have been massive failures for me; I almost always get a "I have a boyfriend" or cold response. I'm in real good shape from years of lifting, well groomed, have an above average job etc but it ain't enough. ☠️
As ironic as it sounds, You should focus on niche maxxing. You like lifting? Try to get a group together that focuses on lifting or join a group that is co-ed. If you like your job, find co-ed groups to join around that. The thing that stands out to me the most when guys like myself say, "I cannot find a women" or "I do not fit the criteria" usually stems to one or two things Location: Location plays a big part. Club/Bar scene is usually time for unwinding and would seem like a great place to find someone, especially back in the old days. But usually now, it is filled with a lot of people in situationships and or girls who have boyfriends but are going out with their girlfriends (This usually entails that they run in packs usually 3+, so you too have to run in pack otherwise its they pack controls the situation), so it is ultimately not ideal as it is usually dark, and loud. So, looks have the most dominant affect here Timing: The timing for when you meet someone plays such a big factor that is overlooked by a lot of dudes. This usually entails "how you met them", and "when did you meet them". If you tried picking up a girl on the way home from after the club at 2am when the mood is "everything is close, its time to go home" then your pool of women is vary scarce and the girl youre gonna attract is one who is more promiscuous than other (not too loose but loose enough) which is actually too bad if shes actually just into you. I try to focus on the timing more than location for myself, but good luck out there
@@kofiboateng9181 this is good advice. My advice is to stay single and avoid women at all costs. But if you insist on playing with fire, follow this dude's advice.
@@kofiboateng9181 also, never approach a woman if she's with a group. Never. She's not there to meet you. She's there to reject you for validation and to increase her status among the pack.
I have a simpler solution than all of this. Get rid of no fault divorce and child support. Woman decided to break her family because feelings? Go right ahead, but she's leaving with only what she brought in and what she made. Anything that was made by the husband stays with the husband.
This is the way it is for the majority of people, most people marry and then build a life together and now most women make more money then men so this wont change anything.
@@krystelhardesty9960 false ...why are you scared to trry that suggestion Get rid of no fault divorce and child support....you shouldnt have problem giving a try to this suggestions.
One reason I have with having children that isn't mentioned is that I don't believe I'll find a trusting partner to have said child with. For women to be motherly, they need empathy, which they are lacking here in the west.
@Original Blizzardhawk i should've added if people think they can't find a good partner locally than ok i can sympathize with taht but to say i can't find a good partner anywehre i nthe world... that is a stretch
Very true! I'm screwed here in the UK. The women in this country seem very promiscuous, but even if you find a seemingly good woman, they turn out to be selfish. You just can't win!
Lack of empathy is in their nature, evolution and shit, and somehow men managed with that tens of years ago... They just have no idea what its like to be a man
@@joeswanson733 perhaps we should encourage women to drop these ridiculously high dating standards they hold against us men?? Maybe if they didn't keep chasing the top 10% of men who would never settle for them and chase Chad.. How about they come back down to earth hmm? Maybe that'll solve a lot.
The problem is that most women only start to look for long term partners when their look start to "hit the wall" at around 30 which subsequently means that the chads are not interested anymore as they are still going for 21 year olds in the prime of their looks. Since females become less fertile in their 30s they are less likely to have kids. This combined with a decline in moral standards makes for a serious demographic problem. if you are a normie then best try to make some money (to become more attractive) and bag a 7/10 and have kids with her before she ages too much.
@@mephisto2005 technically but medical care is mostly good enough in the West that women perishing in childbirth is rare. The problem is getting pregnant in the first place if you are a women in your mid to late 30s
Nahh bro. You gonna marry her and you think that the kids are yours but behind your back Chad nuts her in and you end up raising his offspring. There’s no hope for normies
Yep true, all it is doing to us in UK is costing us taxpayers - £5'000'000 a day!! This definitely isn't the solution! Edit: this is also exacerbating our housing crisis and making it so much worse!
Foids voting in libtards who bring in third world to fix incels natality rate while having a great replacement at the same time. Absolutely fkn brutal. Weaponized sexual liberation ( eugenics ), was the most important tool in destroying the West for the juice in power
@@randomhuman2595 People keep assuming the incoming people will all be net taxpayers and never be criminals. I love how Japan and South Korea won't open up, no matter how low the birth numbers are.
I wouldn't categorize high costs into selfishness. In most developed countries housing costs are so high, the avarage young adult can barely afford to maintain themselves.
Yep! Damn right 100% I'm working loads of overtime just to be able to save a somewhat decent amount and put it away. I wouldn't be saving much on just the basic salary alone. I am very frugal before anyone says "Oh, you just spend too much"
The only places that have a high birth rate are Africa and the Middle East, and guess where majority of our immigration is coming from? That statistic of 2050, majority of UK will be Middle Eastern is an eye opener
You can pay people to stay together, but you can't pay people to be happy together. You'll end up with people being miserable together or cheating on each other but staying together for the money. How do children benefit from those situations.
Still 2 parents Just because he's a cheating scumbag doesn't mean he won't give you good moral lessons nor play catch with you. These are non-exclusive things. This idea parents most be moral demigods is sickening just be there, love them feed them and move on
@@prettyboyjeremy "Just because he's a cheating scumbag doesn't mean he won't give you good moral lessons nor play catch with you." What if he works his 9 to 5 to pay for the lifestyle, but then spends 5 to 9 with his mistress? Just comes home to sleep and grab breakfast the next morning.
You compleatly missed the reason why people choose not to have kids. Because people can now choose! We disconected sex from children. That is the sole reason for declining birth rates.
Choice is good as is a much lower human population. Only what Dr. Helen Fisher behind the Chemistry and Match dating algorithms calls The Builder personality want family; and they usually are religious, nationalistic, desire to punish the designated social cheater, burn science books (especially on evolution), etc.
It is simpler than the reasons stated. The old and rich have bought all the property by exploiting low interest rates. Property is now unaffordable for most young people, most well paying jobs have been offshored or automated so paying extortionate rents is also unaffordable and new builds are grim rabbit hutches. And housing Benefit will not cover most rents. Since having a family whilst "sofa surfing" is impractical, most people no longer have the option of having children. Landlords could be compared to large trees covering the forest allowing for no further growth. The complete destruction of the welfare state under the Tories makes it risky and irresponsible to have children unless you are a super-rich power couple. People are not being selfish, they are being kind not to bring children up they can't afford to feed or house.
I agree with you that housing is a big part of this issue. Older folks are hanging on to large houses because they don't have financially secure children to depend on or the safety net that will keep them from ending up in the streets. We have to vote in leadership that is brave and influential enough to make progress on these problems. Now we are paying the price for neglecting the education and agency of our citizens. I retain confidence that improvement will outpace disaster.
Reasons why I haven't started a family (yet), I'm 36. Cost- rather than the selfish reasons stated in this video my motivations are selfless. Meaning I want a better life for my kids than I had, not that I had a bad childhood. Both my parents worked full time and we were middle to lower middle class. I'd often hear my parents argue and stress about money, my parents divorced in my early teens. Upbringing- again I want better for my children than I had it. Though I am very grateful growing up in the US, it is not what it once was. America as a country has peaked and is in a clear decline by all metrics. Everything here is designed to produce slaves. My parents were slaves and I am a slave. I refuse to perpetuate this cycle to service the owners. Mate selection- as mentioned already in other comments the economics of the current dating market are absurd and unsustainable. The "sexual market value" of women here today is hyper inflated. You are paying many multiples, sometimes exponentially more for a mate of significant less quality. Despite what the mainstream says we men are not stupid. Quite the opposite. We see that markets have changed and are adapting.
Honestly just go overseas. I think as men we should do that en masse even the high value guys quite frankly. Western women are just gross even if you're a high tier Chad it's damaged unreliable poor quality women. They behave masculine and crude.
I could afford a kid but I would have to use surrogacy and be a single dad which is not even legal every where....There's no good options for wives especially at my age...the good ones are taken the rest have issues
People are realizing that it's not only women's standards have raised towards males, but also standards to kids as well. We all know that only a good-looking, healthy, with good education and social circle kid can be competitive and happy. And it's very difficult for the majority of average males to meet these criterias to demanding society. It's not enough to be a bit better looking than a monkey, hard-working and non-drinker and smoker to have a woman. Those days are long gone. Because otherwise he will end up begging on tinder for sub 5 women, earning low income. I mean, is it worth it?
My young friend....once a government grows and gets taxing high they do not reverse. A great idea but our handlers will not give up power once it has been achieved.
Property bubbles need to be not only popped but crashed hard since mortgages / rentals are the big ticket item that affects the budget of raising a family
@@strategicviewpoint6672 I'll have no chance of having a house, so having kids is out of the picture for me. I struggle to get a girlfriend as well so that makes it even worse.
You forgot to add this to the biggest factor that ensures kids have a good upbringing: both parents having resolved their mental issues and trauma. If they don't fix themselves, they will cause trauma and mental issues for the kids. Some people really just shouldn't have kids. For example: narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths.
*_I've had very bad parents who were very negletful, etc. I had to take care about my little brother since a very young age. Now, I'm very tired to form my own family._* 😐☹
@@afelfemaleSorry you had to go through that. That sucks :/ This is one of the reasons why mental healthcare should be supported much more than it is currently. It is just as important as physical health
nothing can prevent a rich and successful psycho narcissist from having children. by the way, isn't psychopathy more present in the best paid professions compared to the general population?
The only three issues with this I see are: 1. This is based on the assumption that more, but not all, people have children to make up for the lacking birthrate. If everyone did this, which almost 99% would given the insane benefits you mentioned, then barely any money would make it to food companies and all the other expenses that were given to intact families. Who would pay them to go around then to sustain this? The government? Well they get their money from taxes, something tou specifically said you want to deminish extremely for intact families which would sky rocket if this was implemented given the selfish insensitive you suggested. So 99% intact families, 99% of the population of said country with barely any taxes, no taxes leads to insanely miniscule amounts of money to the people that need to be payed to sustain all systems needed to sustain such a family oriented country. Is it possible? Yes. Would it be insanely difficult to manage financially though? Also yes. 2. What makes food "healthy"? I'm suggesting there no foods with clear nutrition and health benefits, but anything in too high amounts can be bad. Fruit sugar in fruits is obviously healthier than regular sugar, but an extreme amount of fruit means practically the same health problems. If you make these foods cheap as crap for families then they will follow the usual human instinct and buy insane amounts of it because they can, just like toilet paper during (((you know what))) etc. I'm not saying they will feed it all to their kids, but can you make sure they do without monitoring it? Furthermore if all families want to buy in big bulka like this, which they more than likely will, we once again need EVEN more money payed by tax to cover the INSANE demand increase because of the prive decreas. ALSO to add on top of this issue, once again there technically is no such thing as healthy foods, it all depends on how it's made and it what amount. Chicken is great in itself, but can you, once again without invading privacy and monitoring, ensure that the chicken thst was purchased is not going to be super greasy crispy grilled chicken with all kinds of fatty goodness and that the child also eats a good portion? Sure that's on the parents and not the government, but are we going to take away rights from families depending on if the child in said family is a little under or overweight to make sure they eat right? I'm just confused how we will deterine what food is healthy or not because anything is anything really, it all depends. If we make all food available then, we have the American issue mentioned in the video, if we make selective choices for foods then do we also have selective laws on what recipes are allowed in families? Because again, even a burger can technically be healthy, the amount of them and proportions of things in them is what make them problematic. 3. The, mentioned a lot in the comments, Chad and hookup culture issues that you have covered extensively on your channel I already. People below talk about it and bring up good points on how women in your described ideal world in this video would then be forced to stick with average men, sure this would be awesome for average men like me but women would more than likely complain constantly, be overall unhappy which would influence the child most likely AND infidelity and such would sky rocket along with paternity fraud where average men will raise Chad babies etc. Sure the last one could be solved by mandatory DNA testing upon birth, but the others are more complicated. Not trying to make a "gotcha" moment here, I'm genuinely curious on your take on this "critique" I guess we could call it. A follow up video would ve extremely appreciated as this topic is peak important honestly for the human race as a whole. I myself had an idea of how we could solve the housewife issues by paying women to be mothers making it a job with retirement benefits etc and have everyone have big sustainable single life incomes that get cut in half as you marry so marriage or the single life is truly a choice instead of one having a benefit ober the other... It's more deep than that but obviously even my idea had it's holes as larger income people would obviously not be hurt as much as low income folks in this, meaning we would have to marry within class to keep it fair, but I realized that I accidentally made the Indian cast system but with economy instead... So this is why I'm commenting... Sometimes our "waterproof" ideas sound awesome, but when challenged you see the flaws. So no hate, I'm genuinely just curious on your take, but thank you for another deep video, always appreciated. 👍
@@niczvr Very much appreciated, not many read longer comments whether it be because of lack of time or attention span, I know that but still like speaking my mind I'm detail so as to avoid misunderstandings as it frustrates me that people complain about that while no one is taking the time to read something longer than a Twitter post... Then we wonder why no one takes anyone seriously and just yells at each other. Anyway, thank you for reading, not gonna dump another book on you. Have a wonderful day though as I usually say at the end of my comments, wishing a stranger a little positivity is the least we can do in these somewhat dystopian times.
I think the biggest reason why young people aren't having kids is because of hookup culture. Women are occupied with it, engaging in short relationships with hedonistic men who game them for sex, and the men engaging in it are going to avoid "knocking up" girls due to the threat of child support.
@@GhostSamaritan they can’t be player because odds are already in their favor, it’s like putting a 7’2” dude up against a 5’1” midget and calling it a fair fight
I have two kids, am married and bust my ass. Being a dad is a thankless job. I completely understand why people aren't having kids anymore and I don't blame them. The problem isn't just financial, it's the time and stress involved. I'm glad you're thinking of solutions though, because an aging population fucks everyone.
Many governments all over the world have tried for the last couple of decades to handle this issue, but they all failed. There is no solution because this is not a problem - this is simply the outcome of all modern civilization, past and future.
there is another issue that was not mentioned: women that can not get pregnant for health reasons and women who do not want to get pregnant because they are afraid of damaging their bodies. This has the solution of surrogacy which should be incentivized to help these women who want children of their own to become mothers. How about incentivizing grandparents to help in the raising of their grandchildren.
The State imports millions of migrants, driving down wages, increasing housing prices and overpopulating the country. Then it had the audacity to use low birth rates (largely the result of wage slavery and housing prices) as an excuse for slave imports. What’s really sad about most people’s concern for the birthrates is that they’re not upset that people are too downtrodden to reproduce but instead that they won’t get a future generation of consumers and tax payers. The potential, more often inevitable suffering that unborn child will endure is irrelevant, they are a number on a spreadsheet to profit from, a cog in a machine.
All kinds of interesting things happen when psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcs reduce people to numbers on a spreadsheet. I think of how corporations also do it to reduce the number of people on staff.
There's a guy I know who entered a monogamous long-distance relationship with a girl whom all of his friends slept with. This was 2011, and they were both 19 at the time. This girl is also incredibly b*tchy and a dominant. They're still together and have had two kids. Ironically, he'd consider himself "successful". Is this really what guys here want? Sounds like an awful experience. Best to have your freedom.
telling everyone should have parental instinct is no different from telling everyone should love eating junk food, because humans loved sugar throughout the history. more critical thinking a person has, more he will realsize that sugar causes harm to your body, more he will avoid it. same thing goes to parental instinct... i was once necessary for our species... not for individuals within a species... if you can afford children without compromising your life standard, go for it, else no.
Population decline is inevitable, you can't have gender equality and high fertility rate in the same sentence, and beside male sperm count is declining rapidly in developed countries, this is a bigger problem than you can imagine, people use to have many children when children were an asset and they could help in the farm and other stuff and children use to be actively involved in the production of their own food so people were quite happy for having them, but even back then when there was famine people would immediately stop having children, to conclude we like any other animals on earth reproduce when the conditions are good, you're seeing the declining birth rate as the sickness but in reality it's just the symptom.
The decline in testosterone levels and the reversal of traditional male and female roles are the two biggest contributors to abysmal birth rates. Why don't you talk more about this, Wheat?
Absolut bullshit, the cost of raising a family is just way too high, your argument is just part of some stupid culture war that is happening in your online bubble
@@surfacepro3328 The poorest countries in the world have the most children, and even within countries the poorest demographics within those countries usually reproduce more The vast majority of couples in a developed, first world country could easily raise multiple children if one partner just worked 80 hours a week and the extended family helped out with child-rearing This is why all these stupid tax-break policies "intended to fix the use" (really just there to make it look like something's being done, all governments know the issue is irreversible) make next to zero difference
Wow, you really rethink this one. Raising taxes to pay and manage these programs have no “incentive” in the capitalist society we live in. Where is the corporate support? Politicians will not just do these things just because it is a good idea. They respond to how they and corporations can make money.
It is 100% true that while a lot of people bring this problem up, almost nobody talks about solutions. Even when they do, it's usually, "just have kids, zoomers!", which doesn't even begin to look at the source of the problem.
@@loveisthemostpowerfulforce1397 I am a man of Victorian morals and ethics please talk to me with manners and dignity, I loathe the lower class common people such as yourself
This may be right from your perspective. But once you get older you might understand that having children in a fast pace society like this, means almost deleting your life. Beside that, most jobs in society aren't even needed if we were to built good material and lasting object, like we used to do. So it's all meaningless seen from another one his/her perspective. But more people = more profit for the rich. Because when this occurs they have more low payed workers and they have more income due to more unconscious people buying their unconscious and pretty much useless products.
Wheat, you talked many times on how a large amount of women are attracted to only the top percentage of men. If women don't want to date the bottom 80% of men, why would you expect them to want to marry and have children with them? How would financial incentives correct this problem?
It will be easier for an average man to be a good provider, so women, theoretically, will be a less picky. But yeah, monogamy is dead anyway, so it will be a better solution to legalise dual mate strategy and simping for majority of peoples and polygamy for top percents of men and women.
It won't by itself. The problem, as we've discovered, is that young women cannot have too much freedom or they make bad choices that threaten the stability of civilization itself. A complete cultural change to restore a patriarchal society will be required. There are really only two paths back to a patriarchy for the West: 1.) The mass adoption of a patriarchal religion like traditional Catholicism or Islam, or 2.) some revised form of National Socialism. On our present trajectory we are heading towards a systemic social crisis over the next several generations and some variation of those two options will likely be the solution adopted in response. The liberal democratic society we currently live in likely will not survive the transition.
Calhoun rat utopia experiments in the 1960s had pointed to this phenomenon decades before humans displayed this same behavior. When rats and mice had everything they can want, no predators, abundant food, water, shelter, plenty of rats to mate and interact with… eventually the population in the rat utopia peaks and plateau. More than that’s the rats display hypergamy, top male rats mating with all the female rats, incel rats display unusual behaviors like homosexuality or ceasing sexual effort, mother rats would stop taking care of their offsprings… essentially these rats stop behaving like rats. When these rats were reintroduced to the wild, they did not go back to acting like rats, rather they permanently changed into a different whole different type of animal not found in nature. I don’t think humans are designed or evolve for this kind of urbanized civilization environment that the Industrial Revolution has made.
I had pretty severe health problems as a child. Being forced into sports would have been a nightmare. Instead, I was very musical and ended up in the band and choir by the time I reached high school and beyond. Why should the PE teacher be given advantages over other specials teachers like music and art? Children can get socialization and team building skills being part of a band, choir, or class art project, and even civic organizations like 4H, Girl Scouts, or Youth of Indeterminate Gender Scouts (BSA). Not every child has the ability to become an athlete, especially at the scholarship level in college/university. Subsidizing sports and "healthy" eating over other all other worthwhile activities is showing your bias.
@@maidende8280 No, and my 3 other siblings were born healthy. My point was to show Wheat Waffle's bias as my mom is a retired music teacher and my youngest sister is one currently.
@@pace1195 I’m glad to hear that. I do agree with your point generally. Also, why doesn’t WW care about intellectual stimulus (incl. music)? That’s very important to raising good children too, especially if you want to maximise their potential. What kind of health problems did you have? You don’t have to answer, ofc, I’m just curious.
@@maidende8280 I was born with a congenital heart defect - pulmonary atresia (ventral septal defect version). I don't blame WW for not caring; it's just his bias as a former PE teacher and athlete. People care much more about their lives than everyone else's issues. It's when public policy is pushed for your preferred way to raise someone else's children when it becomes a problem. Punish the bad parents when there are issues of abuse (in all forms), and let the good parents raise their children as they see fit to maximize each child's potential.
@@pace1195 Indeed. I explained the flaw in top down thinking this way. Imagine that statistics show people with horse owners have a higher quality of life than those without horses. Now imagine someone mandating horses for all. How many people would just say "Life sucks, now I have a giant smelly beast added to it" as a result?
Actually I find that the biggest issue is simply cost of living, and I'm not just talking the money cost. You only have so much time as a person and your not a machine, your not meant to be perfectly efficient, in fact organic life doesn't really work that way at all. My point is if you can fix cost of living aka "money/energy/time" the whole problem easily rebalances itself.
In my opinion, another drastic measure would be the introduction of the 6 hours long work-day for factory workers. Two shifts: one from 6 am to midday, and the other from 1 pm to 19 pm. This would be, in my opinion, FANTASTIC for many reasons: - Workers conditions would improve, as they have much freeer time with their family - Mothers could work in the morning while the children are at school, and fathers could work in the afternoon (or viceversa) Regardless, both would get more time to grow their own kids - 8 hours a day 5 days a week means 40 hours of "job getting done" for the factory. 2x6 hours a day 6 days a week would mean 72 hours of job getting done, while paying each worker 36 hours instead of 40. - A lot of factory jobs would be created, and what made Europe great in the last centuries wasn't tourism or social medias, but industrialization - More workers and more weekly hours of production would help Europe getting along with the industrializing countries on Earth, like China, Viet Nam and Indonesia. I'm no economist, but what would you think?
I think the financial angle is underrated and goes back to the feminist movement. My parents raised a family of 5 children and always had a car and holiday running from one income. Compare that to nowadays you will NEED 2 incomes to have your own house and even that is bought later than the previous generation. Then you add in childcare costs. People are forced into having smaller families, that's if you're even in the hunt for being in a successful relationship to begin with.
Yep damn right, you nailed it when you mentioned the house prices. That's if you can even find one for sale now before it gets snapped up by... - buy to let landlords 🙄 (aka, scumbags!)
1) I don't have money. 2) Kids are expensive. 3) I don't want to be stuck cleaning shit, managing crying baby, fighting with my wife, doing household work all day. 4) Women have unrealistic standards. They want 6'3'' tall , masculine, good looking , athletic guy who is making 200k. 5) I don't want women in their late 30s who are entitled and rushing to make babies. I don't find women in their mid 30s attractive 6) I was raised by poor unemployed parents and they had 4 kids. I don't want to live like that 7) My life suck. I don't have a good job or a career
It's horrible to have a law on how to raise your children, I would say just let the world burn, nothing needs to be solved, humanity will solve itself.
No, it is easy to fix have many children raise them to love you, if they stray remind them you can write them out of the will. Works very well for my family, us indians doing okay here in usa. Happy daughters and wives, also make sons hit gym, good god so fat here
@@ajays9936 There are so many poor urban minorities and poor rural white trash kids who have bad parents and will get zero inheritance. There is nothing anyone can threaten you with to correct bad behavior when there is nothing to offer in the first place.
@@ajays9936 Wow.. Reminds me of a neighbor I had after moving into my first apartment. She was from a Jewish family, but dated a non-Jew in college. They continued to date after graduation. I don't remember how it came up .. but one day her parents told her that if she kept dating the guy and ended up marrying him, that she would be written out of their Will. My neighbor broke it off with the long term boyfriend soon after that discussion.
Korea does not have a lowest fertility rate. Please check out statistics for the country called Hong Kong. It was already bad in 2019 - at 0.7. After chinazzi occupation value dropped to 0.5!
I think parental instincts and being able to raise a good child in an advanced, civilized society are different things. Yes, I could probably raise a child so that it could physically survive in this world, but for that child to be a good and intelligent person that finds meaning and fulfillment through virtue and contributions to the world, well I can only imagine it would be very difficult. I think its the film "Idiocracy" that opens with 2 opposing families, one very stupid and with tons of children, and one extremely intelligent married couple with no children. Not saying I am intelligent, but I would only bring a child into this world if I truly believed I could not only teach them to survive, but to _live_ properly.
@@prettyboyjeremy I'm glad you and some others do. Just that you keep saying it on the British news saying "Oh you can't touch them" 🙄 yep pathetic, I know.
I have 5 siblings, though my parents wanted more. My parents house is old, and we had small bedrooms which we shared. since I am the youngest I wore old clothes that my older siblings also wore, I got much less money for spending on stuff then my friends, and not the newest trend in clothes and toys, but I was fed more than enough and played a lot outside, and I am so grateful for my five siblings and wouldn’t trade them for any material things in the world, and I think I’m much more grateful for gifts and experiences like vacations than my friends are. My mother stayed at home and my dad worked overtime when he could, and even though it was VERY hard for them at times, but they are so grateful for their children and grandchildren and the fact that they will have six possible care givers when they grow old and they won’t die alone.
Two big reasons why people don't want kids or want fewer kids is because: 1. women can't find good enough partners and 2. the family courts destroy men who have children in terms of custody and child support. Wheat Waffles didn't address these issues. I went through divorce in the UK and lost 70% of my money, assets and home equity, and am stuck paying child maintenance for 10+ years. The idea that Wheat Waffles wants to deprive single moms (the most vulnerable people in society) of tax breaks and food stamps is laughable and shows how naïve and politically illiterate Wheat Waffles is. Finally, where does all the money come from in order to pay for all these tax breaks and food stamps???
How is giving massive tax breaks to couples who have children different from having single people pay for other peoples children? You need to rethink this. I dont mind contributing a little to other peoples kids as is currently the case in my country, but no way im going to break my back for that. Choosing not to have children shouldn't be punished. Just give ALL people some breathing room by lowering taxes for everyone and people will start popping out babies in no time, but our inefficient and corrupt political system is in the way of that, that's the real problem.
The issue with taxing those who do not have children is that they may not have the ability to provide children due to dating issues or health issues - and, thus, to pay the increase in taxes, they will collectively increase their demand for wages or salaries in the workforce which will render the minimum wage obsolete and then most of the taxpayer money is actually coming from corporations being either forced to hire entry-level workers for $30 minimum by cultural collective demand or else leaving the country to find cheaper labour and reducing the job opportunities for the population, shrinking GDP and impacting the spending power of the money given to parents for having kids. Thus, raising kids will likely cost a minimum of $500,000 in the future so your figure of approximately $200,000 will likely be outdated and not enough to incentivize childbearing. Paying the child-free tax will ironically be cheaper and will simply make the workforce demand more money at a higher baseline from their jobs. Say goodbye to continual growth and record profits. Sacrifice is a two-way street. Also, I thought automation and AI were supposed to ensure that population decline would not be detrimental - it would reduce job opportunities and make it necessary for the population to decrease to reduce poverty and homelessness in the next generation.
Exactly. The Roman empire did this sort of thing during the decline years. Masses decided that whatever the tax was, paying it was preferable to making babies.
What's the problem with declining birthrates? No more slaves for out expansionist capitalist system? Sounds good to me. An economy shouldn't be build with the assumption of constant growth in the first place
I am a Childless Male in Germany, and i´d like to say something about one of the Things you brought up. When People say that they have no "parental Instincts", they do not mean that. Always remember, People tend to be Idiots, and in this case, what they actually mean is "i have no Parenting SKILLS, as i barely have a grip on my own life Situation." And i believe that is genuinly the Case. People are not forced to learn good selfcare Skills nowadays, not at Home, and certainly not while in School. My Proof? Myself. When i was in Elementary School, in the 90´s, this was already so bad that i got free passes for behavior that to this Day is damaging to me, including massive laziness and non-participation. And since i hear from all sides that Things have not Improved since then, i feel rather safe with my Statement. Oh, and for those who would ask why i am Childless, i am Autistic. Which is coincidentely one of the few legitimate Reasons to not have Children
While I freely admit I don't have a better solution, I'm not sure about these. Throwing this kind of money around can't be done through taxes, people are already being squeezed to death. It has to come from money printing and borrowing, which will simply accelerate the slide to default and crash. I'm also not comfortable with people feeling trapped in abusive marriages because they'll lose so much financially if they leave.
I never want to have children and thats because I am a really cynical, anti-social and selfish human being with a hate for myself and a dislike for pretty much everyone else. I really hate children. They are loud, unhygienic, chaotic and just a waste of my time, money and patience. I can't stand to be around people as is, but children are worse than that. Social Contact is extremely taxing and exhausting for me and having a little hellspawn around all the time would just drain my "battery" completely. Aside from that I just want all the free-time and money (that I earn by going to work) for myself. I need my peaceful, quite and socially isolated life to basically even function properly. A child would just get into the way of this life that I want for myself. - not that I would ever be in that position since I am probably the closest thing you get to the "Ugly Bastard"-tag irl.
Saw some kids screwing around on an escalator today (trying to go backwards in the wrong direction) holding people up and I was so tempted to say "STOP FUCKING ABOUT ON THAT FUCKING ESCALATOR". But you never know when Dad is right behind them with an XL Bully (killer dog) on the chain.
For me its more about the liability of having a kid..The world is to crazy kids take to much effort just to see one be deleted in their kindergarten class,hit by a drunk driver or kidnapped. It's better to just focus on your self and make money so you can live a good life...I don't care what happens to the world in the future when I'm gone. The way I see it most of these social issues climate issues political issues will not be a problem that seriously effects me in my life time... The birth rate won't effect me global warming won't effect me the zillinials won't effect me.. I'm not going to worry about it.
The financial problem is easy to solve. Instead of paying upfront or during the child's upbringing, you pay the parent when the kid turns 18 and does well on a psychological evaluation or something. That way, you ensure there are no perverse incentives. It also ensures that only the people who legitimately want children have them, as some drug addict or selfish mother probably isn't going to wait 18 years for a lump-sum payment while having to front the cost until then.
Sorry, Wheat Waffles, an economist you are not. There's an old saying, "What you tax you get less of, and what you subsidize you get more of." Food stamps are the equivalent of currency (dollars, pounds, pesos, etc.). Giving out more of these does three things: First, it increases inflation because the actual money printer is not going to stop going brrrr creating currency to purchase everything and switch to food stamps only for "healthy" food. Second, currency is fungible. If people are not using actual currency to purchase "healthy" food, they will use it on other items, and some of those items will be bad. They could use this additional currency on unhealthy food, alcohol, drugs, more expensive clothing (not for children), a more expensive car, jewelry, etc. Third, who decided what is "healthy"? You will have yet another government bureaucracy with very expensive lobbyists attempting to get their products listed as "healthy" and their competitor products listed as "unhealthy".
Call me heartless but I see plummeting birthrates a great thing we've over stayed our welcome on this planet and should bow out gracefully, this world is no place for a child
It's too bad that a lot of guys willing to work, marry, settle down and raise a family can't find a partner due to increasing expectations from women and society as a whole.
If we add an incentive for couples stay together, there will be a breach for abusive relantionships. And then, to keep the money and open the chance to end the abuse, some clauses involving that will be added. And women will have more reasons to acuse man of violence. And for the food, public schools can simply cook healthier foods and give to the children. That's how it is in Brazil.
Better food in schools would be a good start. Although here in the UK when this happened mothers literally pushed chips (fries) through the school fence to feed their kids "proper food". This is the problem with "educating parents" about cooking. Nice idea, but a lot of people straight up won't believe it.
The 'no parental instinct' thing being ignorant due to the fact that every ancestor had children is way too simplistic for multiple reasons. One, you're looking only at the line that kept breeding and not at all the branches that died along the way (survivorship bias). Two, the past ancestors didn't necessarily think of having children when having sex - people want pleasure so they fuck, and then the whole psychological thing kicks in once the woman gets pregnant. The brain essentially tricks people into propagating. That leads to three - if the brain trickery chain gets broken, by things like sex not leading to pregnancy nearly as often as in the past, it's not unusual for the nurturing instinct to never arise in the first place. Also fourth point, in the past people didn't have nearly as many entertaining distractions as they do nowadays.
"sex not leading to pregnancy nearly as often as in the past, it's not unusual for the nurturing instinct to never arise in the first place" - a tangent here, but a super interesting side effect is internally the body will signal to leave the relationship and possible make someone hate their partner, simply because as far as the body is concerned 'well if we've slept together so many times, and there's still no pregnancy, they must be barren/sterile' and at the physical level the body will find their partner disgusting almost against their will sometimes
I like the idea but the government would never do this. The reason it pushes the single agenda is to get as many single people in the workforce as possible so employers can get more production for the same cost. The government also gets more money with more single tax payers.
Well good luck to y'all who want children. I'm good on not having any, although I will call it a stretch to say I'm selfish for not wanting kids. For me it's as simple as it has never appealed to me. Nothing about having children ever resonated with me. I wouldn't call that selfish though
Another idea - your pension is based not only on your income and years worked, but how many kids you raised. Of course it would require ensuring infertile people are not affected, cause its not their fault. And it would definitely be an area where people would try to cheat the system, get fake infertility certificates or something, but if system was good it would be a very small amount of people
When people say "I don't want the impact on my lifestyle" they aren't just talking about perusing education and career ambitions, they are also concerned with how having a family will affect their sex life. Many people nowadays have promiscuous, hypergamous, or homosexual lifestyles, none of which are compatible with having a traditional family.
Agreed. Promiscuous behavior in men and women have both been linked to worst outcomes in marriage. What you do before marriage prepares you for marriage or hinders you in building a strong marriage. If your behavior doesn’t reflect being loyal to one person and only being sexually, emotionally and romantically involved with one person you are only learning behaviors that are really bad for marriage,
Well then, find a way to make sexual satisfaction increase, not decrease. Besides, I wonder if sex worked out well for the people who waited for marriage, because "God says so" and hellfire and brimstone purity culture bullshit was used.
@@skylinefever I think it's a matter of values. People nowadays value immediate gratification over long term fulfillment. If you live in a culture like that of course you are going to chase whatever gives you immediate sexual satisfaction.
Fantastic vid
I agree with you my GigaChad
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I like it! I’d rather have a well balanced fertility rate to avoid too many laws and crime. We’ve seen people who remake projects, now we remake simple life. This has been my plan since 2019.
I agree definitely one of his more underrated videos because I’ve been thinking about it and with the way we’re going this is not sustainable long-term
The rise of incelibate men and women's increasing standards is massively underrated as a cause of the declining birth rate. All the factors you discussed "it's too expensive" etc. only come into play when you have the OPTION to have kids. More and more men are locked out of the dating market and therefore denied the ability to reproduce.
Meanwhile, women are casually hooking up with the same men in relationships that are not serious enough to consider having kids, and most would rather die alone than start a family with a man they see as below them.
The polls is the only available data unfortunately. While I do agree what you’re saying is true it’s just not going to come out in the polls. Women are hardly going to say “I haven’t had kids because I’ve been sleeping around throughout my teens and 20s”
all this because men's work is free for women. and people lose respect if something is free. just ask random women on the street if they need men and you will see. men doing invisible work for the greatness of society are not considered worthy.
This is what I keep saying, women want the top 10% of men.
If you're an average Joe then you have no chance. I'm a warehouse operative but I enjoy it, however this means I have even less of a chance!
@@WheatWaffles Maybe we should massively tax single women and single moms!
at this point its impossible to increase birth rates in 1st world, instagram, tinder, etc encourage to live like bloggers and women are hive minded to pursue what the majority says
its over
I am very surprised that in my opinion the most obvious answers didn't appear?!
For men: I didn't find a descent partner!
And for women: I didn't find a partner who met my standarts!
Yep! This right here! The real answers are the ones that are always denied but in reality it is true.
I can't get a girlfriend because obviously I must not meet their ridiculously high standards. Spoke to some girls that were short and I'm 5"9 And that is too short for them, even though I am taller than them
According to a poll
You know it was made by someone who hated the idea of hearing an honest anwser.
Great England bro.
Men also have standards..most men do not want to marry an ugly and fat woman Men may only want them for sex but not for a relationship
It's because fomen can abort and are being brainwashed to work jobs instead of be housewives.
For me the main factor is TIME. Nowdays both parents work too many hours and grandparents are still working (high reirement age). I don't want to have children and then only be with them at the weekends, while the rest of the time they're being educated by who knows who.
So true! 👍
And being brainwashed with woke BS!
I think it’s easy to tell from these videos that they are made by people who don’t have kids! They don’t appreciate the complex relatives affecting families (I say this as a married mum of 3).
The problem with time is also linked to money. A single income household can barely survive, if at all. I live with my long-time partner, and would consider having children if he earned more money, so I could stay at home with them. But in our current situation, it would not be possible, and where I live kindergarden is SO expensive that half a salary would go into it. So I would work the same, not see my children, AND lose half a salary to have them stay some place strange? No thanks, I prefer my life as it is now.
You right to think about that but people will still find a way to say that you are selfish for doing that
Meanwhile South Korea asking:What the Hell is a Birthrate?(they basicly don't have anything like this anymore)
and yet they still want to work their people to the bone with 65 hour averag work week.
@@joeswanson733 We'll Die out anyway so You can atleast work Yourself to Death before this-> a Joke thats told in South Korean at this Point
Korean women want Chang. Korea is blackpilled af, even have plastic surgery advertising in the subway
Hehe same for Japan
The cost of raising a kid is 250K. Unless politicians are willing to start handing out checks, they better not talk about declining birth rates.
I don't want to hear it.
I have plenty of money. There is nothing that would ever make me have a kid. Life is too short to have it ruined by kids.
@@Anonymous-md2qp Nice
@@Anonymous-md2qp interesting take....
@jaumartinez9006 no one cares!
@@Anonymous-md2qphow would it be ruined by kids
Your tax break proposal is what used to be called a "bachelor tax" (which didn't just apply to men). History shows it will not work. The food stamp and extra curricular ideas would more likely become a social credit system which uses Central Bank Digital Currencies which would force people to do what they are told or face financial and social consequences. Like what has been introduced in China. Such as logging and grading food purchases, whether someone frequently goes to the gym or partakes in social and active community activities. The thing is, this is very illiberal and authoritarian.
It's not illiberal and authoritarian. in Brazil people on welfare need to prove their kids are on school and vacinnated (not covid vaccine), in Switzerland you must to prove you're still on school every 6 months in order to get government's money.
If society agrees that doing sports is as important as going to school and so it's a valid prerequisite for welfare.
You'd rather keep neoliberal "winner (Chad) takes all" politics?
@@GhostSamaritan The alternative is communism and that never ends well for the masses who are not "Chad".
Exactly.
Though incentives to couples who do procreate do work. Look at Germany in the past & Hungary now.
Is "having bad genetics" you'd rather not pass on considered a viable excuse?
It is for me
Cystic fibrosis for example is heritable. I wouldn't blame people for not reproducing if it's known to be in their genetics.
The final blackpill is that if you think like this then you actually don’t deserve to reproduce. Or if you can’t find a female who is willing to reproduce with you, then you also do not actually deserve to reproduce and females are doing their jobs as evolutionary gatekeepers keeping bad genes out of our gene pool. Very harsh but true when you think about it.
Adopt
@@TetsuoTakayamaCyberpunk what is an inkwell?
The problem is spare time. People cant (dont want to) raise children if they are always at work.
it's sad that people can't make ends meat on a 40 hour work week
In the UK they plan to give free childcare for under 5s to all working families starting in 2025. Time shouldn’t be an issue after that
@@WheatWaffles Looks like WW taxes will be going up!
@@WheatWaffles that's if men can even find a mate, and that mate becoming a decent wife in the first place!
Us average Joe's don't stand a chance.
@@WheatWaffles Giving your child to a stranger to raise is not optimal.
I'm actually ok with people not having children if they don't want to. I'm lucky that my parents really wanted me, but some kids aren't so lucky. Leave parenthood to the people who are willing to sacrifice for it, rather than pushing people to a lifestyle they ultimately don't want.
It’s not actually that simple, those same people (in theory unaffected by their own singular decisions) will be deeply and directly affected by the cumulative effects of a crumbling, aged out, top heavy civilization, as every social and economic support system unravels around them. For the people who want kids as well. There will be no unaffected parties in this particular scenario. Ship goes down with everyone, at least in terms of standards of living people are used to now.
No one forced people to have kids before, it was just a social/religious expectation that was socially rewarded. Rewards are gone, expectations are gone, people are increasingly gone too.
@@NerdlySquared People was forced to make children by economics, ideology, social pressure. Now all of this are gone, and nothing new, nothing better, was created to replace this. People just don't understand why children are necessary.
it's ok if the number is under control, but clearly it isn't the case, we're having a pandemic of childless people and it will eventually ruin the pensions, then the economic and the culture and society.
it's like if everybody decided to be TH-camrs, hopefully you eventually you notice you can't get money and you will look for another job, but for kids there isn't any incentive to forget the idea
if its not sustainable then we have to.
Yes I agree....I don't think government should get involved with family planning.
Rise of social media and hookup culture is also one of the leading reasons for this situation. As before, people genuinely used to interact and have real relations that weren't just for benefits .
And the idea that I want to live my life to the fullest is also a reason to not having kids I think....
ronaldo >>> pessi
@@furiooo cojido por la scaloneta 👆
@@furiooo campeones del mundooooo boludooo
@@furiooo only immature compare the legends.
Men have preferences but respect both....
Also a scary tales about hopeless future in mass culture and media.
why would i care about chads kids future
Yep! True why should I care?
Yeah, it does start to spiral down to that, doesn't it?
Based Tails viewer
@@corndogS29 no
Because they're cute?? LOL
Supply and demand is at the center of economics and the demand for Chads is clearly outweighing their supply
Haha, very true! That's all the women want is to be in bed with Chad.
Us average Joe's don't stand a chance!
I agree with this, women mate up and across dominance hierarchy, this includes socioeconomic hierarchy and genetic hierarchy* (as unconformable it's sound), we can't fight biology, the fact that we all here is because a woman found a man suitable for the continuity of his genes. Female conceled ovulation alowed her to certain extend choose with who to mate, again we can't fight biology at expenses of detrimental results.
Back to my first point which states that women wouldn't breed with males who perceived inferior in one or two of those described traits, they rather not reproduce if the outcome it's more likely to result in uncompetitive offspring.
Allowing women sexual freedom is also the reason we are in decline
We could get rid of welfare and repeal the 19th amendment 😃👍 o7
Chad wins
People just look at peoples lives with kids and see how unappealing it looks, realising they actually have a choice now rather than go with status quo. Why should people have to have kids?
Yes, it is rational to analyze what happens when you have children and decide not to have any. I don't know why so many people assume propaganda artists are needed.
If you want to be able to retire before you are a zombie and that there are people who can pay your pension, you should be a little too worried.
A few decades ago, a man could afford a family with a large house and 2 cars. The mum could stay at home as well. Nowadays you are lucky if you could pay rent with two working adults in a relationship. It objectively is much more costly today.
It is almost impossible not to fall into the selfish category in individualistic modern societies. Sadly, East Asia that are stereotypically perceived to be more community driven isn’t spared from the selfish mindset and is even doing worse than many western countries. Many Asians are just sick and tired of parental and social pressures, hence are going full hermit. I have to admit that I’m also part of the problem but it is mostly because I lack the confidence and have trust issues when it comes to dealing with other people.
I 'trust' statistics and I am 'confident' that they will not sway in my favor, in my lifetime
I agree. While Wheat explains the decline of birth rate from an economic perspective in the West, the birth rate decline from East Asia, factors from a cultural perspective. While governments are trying to solve the birth rate economically, but can't solve the birth rate socially and culturally. Sadly East Asians face cultural competitiveness in education and career, rather by having a importance of starting a family.
South Korea is blackpilled asf. You literally have plastic surgery advertising in the subway. Japan is the same. At the end of the day, looks are everything. Japan has had the incel NEET phenomenon for the past 30 years
@@TheHarwoodButcher. True. Japan and Korea have a typical wage slave mentality. It's actually very hard to start your own business in these countries. You work and die for your boss and firm, that's the norm over there. They also have the smallest dicks in the world which adds to the BP and hikkimokori trend
Yes once the indians wake up and the west africans its over
I am "divorced dad". You really nailed it! The plague of single mum is really everywhere. I do not know the system in UK. But in Germany you have an entire industry and public organizations (state money!) working for the single mums. The family court system is perverted.
Epidemic of single mothers in the UK as well mate. They plague the dating apps!
Wanting to find some poor schmuck to pay for children that aren't theirs.
No accountability, no responsibility for their reckless actions either.
Dude, I am 40 years old and want one more child. And all the girls I even got close to with cold approach were all single moms. Too many of them. Gross. I could never accept them for what I want in a family. I LOOK 25 and teach high school. I'm 6'1" and lift heavy 5 days a week. I weigh 190 lbs. I have the typical body that women tend to be attracted to. The school powerlifting coach tried to recruit me last month because he thought I am a student. Doesn't sound TOO bad, right? Yet these chickas be picky AF.
I'm pretty much being dumped by a 35 year-old fat chick who told me I can still f*ck her, but she can't commit to me otherwise. She demands to be nonmonogamous. That sickens me. Obviously I'm not good enough. Once again, she is fat, I am above her in appearance. She was once thinner and hotter. And no, she doesn't even want children, though two years ago she asked me if she can still see me if I find a woman to have children with.
Once yet again, I will remind you, she's fat. It's not even as good as it sounds. Fat chicks are super stuck-up and still not happy with men out of their league.
As soon as the pockets of daddy government run dry, this epidemic will disappear overnight.
That's when MGTOW comes in
Lol and now Steuerklasse III/V is taken away...leading to less births 😂
The money for having children thing does not work. Polish government has introduced a welfare program called 500+ in 2015, where each family would receive 500 PLN (roughly 100 bucks) per months per every underage child they have. It did not raise the fertility rate at all. Instead, it made people demand more and more welfare, plus it put a bad stigma on having children, as many low class people would pop multiple kids and live off welfare.
so basically governments have 2 options
they can incentivize you
or they can point a loaded rifle down your head and force you
i remember reading governments have 2 options for compliance pleasure or pain
yeah that's partly acknowledged as an issue when he mentioned about verifying the money actually goes to the kid instead of just used by the parents on themselves. Hard problem to solve, basically a question of how to force actual good behavior rather than appearing compliant only long enough to collect rewards and then going back to crap actions.
@@arsenal4444 And doing so without introducing authoritarian and Orwellian measures such as a social credit system backed up with digital currency that can be controlled.
I was just going to write the same. Smart people having doubts and concerns about having children, while pat**logy breeding like 🐇🐇 We're living in the "Idiocracy" movie.
you just contradicted yourself, if it didn't increase fertility rate how is that poor people had multiple kids and live off welfare ?
Uhhh no, the reason birth rates are declining are due to the increased costs of raising a child. People in developed urban areas are less likely to want a child. Don't intertwine black pill ideas about dating with this it's a bad look. You can acknowledge the inherent unfairness and problems associated with modern dating without saying it's the cause of other problems
Indeed. Urbanization and idsustrialization makes children go from labor source and pension plan to high priced hobby. Why do many people not want kids in developed economies? For the same reason they don't want a horse? No thanks, it's another mouth to feed and another shit to shovel.
Excuse me but calling "not want to put children in a perverted and degenerated society with more and more rising living costs " as selfish is wrong. I thing it's a basic human instinct. For me the only possibility to start a family ist going abroad when I have enough wealth and education.
Seriously, it is scary how society is trying to force people to have kids in this corrupted society. Why don't they ever mention kids who need to be adopted. There are lots abandoned kids. I think they want women to have kids so they can have children to prey on. I have two and I see the corruption and have to deal with so much bs brainwashing of certain people. Women want to have children in safe and secure environments. Men want to deny that this world is so corrupt and perverted.
true i refuse tbh
@claudio where are you from? I'm from India and came to Canada last year for studies and believe me even here everything is expensive. Raising children is a costly affair even with the state proving a certain monthly sum to parents. So I think getting married and having kids is purely a personal choice because no one is free today to raise kids. Everybody is busy and inflation is everywhere.
Right. I do not want to bring someone into this world of suffering.
@@ahumandoing6813 true I sure don't
i think the cost of having kids is a legitimate concern. i mean im going to bring them into this world just to have them suffer and there's no guarantee they're going to make it. you can see how that could cause uncertainty and anxiety there.
Over half of the children who’ve ever existed didn’t make it past 10. If you can raise a child to 18 you’re doing just fine
@@WheatWaffles i mean will my kids be able to get good careers. will they be able to finish school. will they not get their a** kicked at school. will they be mugged or killed by random thugs. will they have families of their own. will they be able to find someone to mate with et. lots of things.
@@WheatWaffles "doing just fine" doesn't cut, its not like you doing a favor, when parents make decision to bring life which is one sided (we know children can't consent) its their responsibility to give them best life possible if they think they can't they shouldn't be having them doesnt matter if population is at 7bill or at last 1 billion
People like him don't think having kids with issues like u mentioned is selfish but when people don't want to have them then its definitely "selfish"
@@cbazxy2697 in a industrial/post industrial environment... population needs trumps our personal desires. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Why TF would you wanna bring kids into this world of suffering? Even if you are a Chad. This place is a soul trap
You antinatalists need to go touch grass
I was ripped out of perfect nonexistence without my consent. I won't do that to others.
If you don't have kids the kids that ARE born have to suffer more. By not having kids you are intensifying the suffering of the existing ones. They will have to work harder to support the elderly.
I don't have kids because I don't fit the criteria in what women want nowadays, I can't compete against the dudes that they see in their algorithms so I don't get selected. Also I don't really have a way to meet women other than street approach or going out to the bar/club scene, which both have been massive failures for me; I almost always get a "I have a boyfriend" or cold response.
I'm in real good shape from years of lifting, well groomed, have an above average job etc but it ain't enough. ☠️
As ironic as it sounds, You should focus on niche maxxing. You like lifting? Try to get a group together that focuses on lifting or join a group that is co-ed. If you like your job, find co-ed groups to join around that. The thing that stands out to me the most when guys like myself say, "I cannot find a women" or "I do not fit the criteria" usually stems to one or two things
Location: Location plays a big part. Club/Bar scene is usually time for unwinding and would seem like a great place to find someone, especially back in the old days. But usually now, it is filled with a lot of people in situationships and or girls who have boyfriends but are going out with their girlfriends (This usually entails that they run in packs usually 3+, so you too have to run in pack otherwise its they pack controls the situation), so it is ultimately not ideal as it is usually dark, and loud. So, looks have the most dominant affect here
Timing: The timing for when you meet someone plays such a big factor that is overlooked by a lot of dudes. This usually entails "how you met them", and "when did you meet them". If you tried picking up a girl on the way home from after the club at 2am when the mood is "everything is close, its time to go home" then your pool of women is vary scarce and the girl youre gonna attract is one who is more promiscuous than other (not too loose but loose enough) which is actually too bad if shes actually just into you.
I try to focus on the timing more than location for myself, but good luck out there
@@kofiboateng9181 this is good advice. My advice is to stay single and avoid women at all costs.
But if you insist on playing with fire, follow this dude's advice.
@@kofiboateng9181 also, never approach a woman if she's with a group. Never.
She's not there to meet you. She's there to reject you for validation and to increase her status among the pack.
I feel your pain man Im in good shape and tall, and decent looking but im also black and date out so its just as rough
You are looking in the wrong places. You don't want a woman from a bar or club, neither from tinder
Instead of trying to keep up the ever-growing population, we should look into why we need the ever-growing population and then change it
It's "Needed" because the system is a big fat pyramid scheme.
I have a simpler solution than all of this. Get rid of no fault divorce and child support. Woman decided to break her family because feelings? Go right ahead, but she's leaving with only what she brought in and what she made. Anything that was made by the husband stays with the husband.
This is the way it is for the majority of people, most people marry and then build a life together and now most women make more money then men so this wont change anything.
It's not solution for birth rate itself, only for divorces.
@@krystelhardesty9960 false ...why are you scared to trry that suggestion Get rid of no fault divorce and child support....you shouldnt have problem giving a try to this suggestions.
The guy on the RP YT video channel Man Talk is from Romania. And, per him, that *is* how divorces are processed in that country.
No child support means next generation of children will grow up in poverty.
One reason I have with having children that isn't mentioned is that I don't believe I'll find a trusting partner to have said child with. For women to be motherly, they need empathy, which they are lacking here in the west.
youo're just being paranoid
@Joe Swanson I wish that were true, but what I've experienced from relationships is not your experience.
@Original Blizzardhawk i should've added if people think they can't find a good partner locally than ok i can sympathize with taht but to say i can't find a good partner anywehre i nthe world... that is a stretch
Very true! I'm screwed here in the UK.
The women in this country seem very promiscuous, but even if you find a seemingly good woman, they turn out to be selfish. You just can't win!
Lack of empathy is in their nature, evolution and shit, and somehow men managed with that tens of years ago... They just have no idea what its like to be a man
We can’t, we are doomed like the mouses social utopia experiment but at the human’s time scale
with all out intellect and technology and we're powerless to stop it
@@joeswanson733 perhaps we should encourage women to drop these ridiculously high dating standards they hold against us men??
Maybe if they didn't keep chasing the top 10% of men who would never settle for them and chase Chad..
How about they come back down to earth hmm? Maybe that'll solve a lot.
Those few who continue to reproduce will inherit the Earth, and civilization will reset.
💯💯
@@joeswanson733 Blame the juice
The problem is that most women only start to look for long term partners when their look start to "hit the wall" at around 30 which subsequently means that the chads are not interested anymore as they are still going for 21 year olds in the prime of their looks. Since females become less fertile in their 30s they are less likely to have kids. This combined with a decline in moral standards makes for a serious demographic problem.
if you are a normie then best try to make some money (to become more attractive) and bag a 7/10 and have kids with her before she ages too much.
you're preaching to the choir here, man. lmao
Damn right brother. This is the truth, women don't want average guys anymore. They only want the top 10%
@@mephisto2005 technically but medical care is mostly good enough in the West that women perishing in childbirth is rare. The problem is getting pregnant in the first place if you are a women in your mid to late 30s
Nahh bro. You gonna marry her and you think that the kids are yours but behind your back Chad nuts her in and you end up raising his offspring. There’s no hope for normies
@@e-cavalier2739 My great graandma had children until her mid 40s
Immigration is absolutely not a solution but they know that.
Yep true, all it is doing to us in UK is costing us taxpayers - £5'000'000 a day!! This definitely isn't the solution!
Edit: this is also exacerbating our housing crisis and making it so much worse!
Foids voting in libtards who bring in third world to fix incels natality rate while having a great replacement at the same time. Absolutely fkn brutal. Weaponized sexual liberation ( eugenics ), was the most important tool in destroying the West for the juice in power
Why not
@@randomhuman2595 Because other ethnicities cannot produce our culture. We are not replaceable.
@@randomhuman2595 People keep assuming the incoming people will all be net taxpayers and never be criminals.
I love how Japan and South Korea won't open up, no matter how low the birth numbers are.
Most of the reasons boils down to women only want chad's kids.
For some strange reason, he didn't mention it.
Chad's kids but Beta's bucks to raise them. Single mothers on the hunt for that cuck to help raise Chad's kids
🙄🙄🙄
Damn right! And then wants a Beta Buck to look after and pay for a child that isn't his. I pity them.
Yea women r the root cause of this crisis
I wouldn't categorize high costs into selfishness. In most developed countries housing costs are so high, the avarage young adult can barely afford to maintain themselves.
Yep! Damn right 100% I'm working loads of overtime just to be able to save a somewhat decent amount and put it away. I wouldn't be saving much on just the basic salary alone.
I am very frugal before anyone says "Oh, you just spend too much"
Selfishness isn't bad in reasonable amounts
exactly... that is what I'm saying
The only places that have a high birth rate are Africa and the Middle East, and guess where majority of our immigration is coming from?
That statistic of 2050, majority of UK will be Middle Eastern is an eye opener
You can pay people to stay together, but you can't pay people to be happy together. You'll end up with people being miserable together or cheating on each other but staying together for the money. How do children benefit from those situations.
Still 2 parents
Just because he's a cheating scumbag doesn't mean he won't give you good moral lessons nor play catch with you.
These are non-exclusive things.
This idea parents most be moral demigods is sickening just be there, love them feed them and move on
@@prettyboyjeremy "Just because he's a cheating scumbag doesn't mean he won't give you good moral lessons nor play catch with you." What if he works his 9 to 5 to pay for the lifestyle, but then spends 5 to 9 with his mistress? Just comes home to sleep and grab breakfast the next morning.
No
Nonsense, 90% of divorces are made by women, they have it far too easy while men are left alone.
@@prettyboyjeremy 🤡 I like how you consider the man cheating a douche bag 😭😭 stand up when you pee
You compleatly missed the reason why people choose not to have kids.
Because people can now choose!
We disconected sex from children. That is the sole reason for declining birth rates.
Negative. The sole reason is delusional women with too much unearned choice
And women on hormonal birth control don’t experience their full natural instincts for sex & children.
Choice is good as is a much lower human population. Only what Dr. Helen Fisher behind the Chemistry and Match dating algorithms calls The Builder personality want family; and they usually are religious, nationalistic, desire to punish the designated social cheater, burn science books (especially on evolution), etc.
@@maidende8280 Did they ever have full natural instincts to make babies before then?
The number of human sacrifices in ancient empires points to no.
@@maidende8280 I haven’t been on birth control for 6 years, I never wanted kids.
It is simpler than the reasons stated. The old and rich have bought all the property by exploiting low interest rates. Property is now unaffordable for most young people, most well paying jobs have been offshored or automated so paying extortionate rents is also unaffordable and new builds are grim rabbit hutches. And housing Benefit will not cover most rents. Since having a family whilst "sofa surfing" is impractical, most people no longer have the option of having children. Landlords could be compared to large trees covering the forest allowing for no further growth. The complete destruction of the welfare state under the Tories makes it risky and irresponsible to have children unless you are a super-rich power couple. People are not being selfish, they are being kind not to bring children up they can't afford to feed or house.
Yes! A sensible person here! No house = no desire to have a family, simple as!
I agree with you that housing is a big part of this issue. Older folks are hanging on to large houses because they don't have financially secure children to depend on or the safety net that will keep them from ending up in the streets. We have to vote in leadership that is brave and influential enough to make progress on these problems. Now we are paying the price for neglecting the education and agency of our citizens. I retain confidence that improvement will outpace disaster.
Reasons why I haven't started a family (yet), I'm 36.
Cost- rather than the selfish reasons stated in this video my motivations are selfless. Meaning I want a better life for my kids than I had, not that I had a bad childhood. Both my parents worked full time and we were middle to lower middle class. I'd often hear my parents argue and stress about money, my parents divorced in my early teens.
Upbringing- again I want better for my children than I had it. Though I am very grateful growing up in the US, it is not what it once was. America as a country has peaked and is in a clear decline by all metrics. Everything here is designed to produce slaves. My parents were slaves and I am a slave. I refuse to perpetuate this cycle to service the owners.
Mate selection- as mentioned already in other comments the economics of the current dating market are absurd and unsustainable. The "sexual market value" of women here today is hyper inflated. You are paying many multiples, sometimes exponentially more for a mate of significant less quality. Despite what the mainstream says we men are not stupid. Quite the opposite. We see that markets have changed and are adapting.
Honestly just go overseas. I think as men we should do that en masse even the high value guys quite frankly. Western women are just gross even if you're a high tier Chad it's damaged unreliable poor quality women. They behave masculine and crude.
Yes. People do not want for their children even a worse life in unclear future, while mass culture and media tell us a scary tales about future.
@@user-ut8ed1mz3d💯💯💯💯
I could afford a kid but I would have to use surrogacy and be a single dad which is not even legal every where....There's no good options for wives especially at my age...the good ones are taken the rest have issues
People are realizing that it's not only women's standards have raised towards males, but also standards to kids as well.
We all know that only a good-looking, healthy, with good education and social circle kid can be competitive and happy. And it's very difficult for the majority of average males to meet these criterias to demanding society.
It's not enough to be a bit better looking than a monkey, hard-working and non-drinker and smoker to have a woman. Those days are long gone.
Because otherwise he will end up begging on tinder for sub 5 women, earning low income. I mean, is it worth it?
My young friend....once a government grows and gets taxing high they do not reverse. A great idea but our handlers will not give up power once it has been achieved.
Yup, only becomes more corrupt, and controlling
they only give money to women because they are easily manipulated and they are human 3D printers.
cost of living and working hours are going up, wages aren't (when adjusted to inflation)
If you want to live the best lifestyle with the money you earn it’s probably best to not have kids atm
inflation is going to eat us all alive
Property bubbles need to be not only popped but crashed hard since mortgages / rentals are the big ticket item that affects the budget of raising a family
@@strategicviewpoint6672 I'll have no chance of having a house, so having kids is out of the picture for me.
I struggle to get a girlfriend as well so that makes it even worse.
@@shanepatrick641 Why do you have to have a house? What about an apartment, which might be cheaper?
You forgot to add this to the biggest factor that ensures kids have a good upbringing: both parents having resolved their mental issues and trauma. If they don't fix themselves, they will cause trauma and mental issues for the kids.
Some people really just shouldn't have kids. For example: narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths.
*_I've had very bad parents who were very negletful, etc. I had to take care about my little brother since a very young age. Now, I'm very tired to form my own family._* 😐☹
@@afelfemaleSorry you had to go through that. That sucks :/
This is one of the reasons why mental healthcare should be supported much more than it is currently. It is just as important as physical health
@@xXRealXx So true. I agree with you 100%.
nothing can prevent a rich and successful psycho narcissist from having children.
by the way, isn't psychopathy more present in the best paid professions compared to the general population?
@@freezymuchroom I didn't say it's preventable, I just said that those kinds of people shouldn't have kids.
Fixing this issue requires a total societal overhaul.
The only three issues with this I see are:
1. This is based on the assumption that more, but not all, people have children to make up for the lacking birthrate. If everyone did this, which almost 99% would given the insane benefits you mentioned, then barely any money would make it to food companies and all the other expenses that were given to intact families. Who would pay them to go around then to sustain this? The government? Well they get their money from taxes, something tou specifically said you want to deminish extremely for intact families which would sky rocket if this was implemented given the selfish insensitive you suggested. So 99% intact families, 99% of the population of said country with barely any taxes, no taxes leads to insanely miniscule amounts of money to the people that need to be payed to sustain all systems needed to sustain such a family oriented country. Is it possible? Yes. Would it be insanely difficult to manage financially though? Also yes.
2. What makes food "healthy"? I'm suggesting there no foods with clear nutrition and health benefits, but anything in too high amounts can be bad. Fruit sugar in fruits is obviously healthier than regular sugar, but an extreme amount of fruit means practically the same health problems. If you make these foods cheap as crap for families then they will follow the usual human instinct and buy insane amounts of it because they can, just like toilet paper during (((you know what))) etc. I'm not saying they will feed it all to their kids, but can you make sure they do without monitoring it? Furthermore if all families want to buy in big bulka like this, which they more than likely will, we once again need EVEN more money payed by tax to cover the INSANE demand increase because of the prive decreas. ALSO to add on top of this issue, once again there technically is no such thing as healthy foods, it all depends on how it's made and it what amount. Chicken is great in itself, but can you, once again without invading privacy and monitoring, ensure that the chicken thst was purchased is not going to be super greasy crispy grilled chicken with all kinds of fatty goodness and that the child also eats a good portion? Sure that's on the parents and not the government, but are we going to take away rights from families depending on if the child in said family is a little under or overweight to make sure they eat right? I'm just confused how we will deterine what food is healthy or not because anything is anything really, it all depends. If we make all food available then, we have the American issue mentioned in the video, if we make selective choices for foods then do we also have selective laws on what recipes are allowed in families? Because again, even a burger can technically be healthy, the amount of them and proportions of things in them is what make them problematic.
3. The, mentioned a lot in the comments, Chad and hookup culture issues that you have covered extensively on your channel I already. People below talk about it and bring up good points on how women in your described ideal world in this video would then be forced to stick with average men, sure this would be awesome for average men like me but women would more than likely complain constantly, be overall unhappy which would influence the child most likely AND infidelity and such would sky rocket along with paternity fraud where average men will raise Chad babies etc. Sure the last one could be solved by mandatory DNA testing upon birth, but the others are more complicated.
Not trying to make a "gotcha" moment here, I'm genuinely curious on your take on this "critique" I guess we could call it. A follow up video would ve extremely appreciated as this topic is peak important honestly for the human race as a whole. I myself had an idea of how we could solve the housewife issues by paying women to be mothers making it a job with retirement benefits etc and have everyone have big sustainable single life incomes that get cut in half as you marry so marriage or the single life is truly a choice instead of one having a benefit ober the other... It's more deep than that but obviously even my idea had it's holes as larger income people would obviously not be hurt as much as low income folks in this, meaning we would have to marry within class to keep it fair, but I realized that I accidentally made the Indian cast system but with economy instead... So this is why I'm commenting... Sometimes our "waterproof" ideas sound awesome, but when challenged you see the flaws.
So no hate, I'm genuinely just curious on your take, but thank you for another deep video, always appreciated. 👍
This comment is a gem that I saw no one appreciating
@@niczvr Very much appreciated, not many read longer comments whether it be because of lack of time or attention span, I know that but still like speaking my mind I'm detail so as to avoid misunderstandings as it frustrates me that people complain about that while no one is taking the time to read something longer than a Twitter post... Then we wonder why no one takes anyone seriously and just yells at each other.
Anyway, thank you for reading, not gonna dump another book on you. Have a wonderful day though as I usually say at the end of my comments, wishing a stranger a little positivity is the least we can do in these somewhat dystopian times.
I think the biggest reason why young people aren't having kids is because of hookup culture. Women are occupied with it, engaging in short relationships with hedonistic men who game them for sex, and the men engaging in it are going to avoid "knocking up" girls due to the threat of child support.
Some women are even more player than men.
Women strike up casual relationships with all kinds of men, not just hedonists
@@GhostSamaritan they can’t be player because odds are already in their favor, it’s like putting a 7’2” dude up against a 5’1” midget and calling it a fair fight
@@Lucciii32 False equivalency. Female players keep orbiters on tap in case they need something.
what proves hook up culture wasn't a thing "back then?"
I have two kids, am married and bust my ass. Being a dad is a thankless job. I completely understand why people aren't having kids anymore and I don't blame them. The problem isn't just financial, it's the time and stress involved. I'm glad you're thinking of solutions though, because an aging population fucks everyone.
Let it fvck everyone, only then humans can comprehend things.
Saturation point has always been the answer
Selfish = Smart
the rich are running out of slaves
Many governments all over the world have tried for the last couple of decades to handle this issue, but they all failed. There is no solution because this is not a problem - this is simply the outcome of all modern civilization, past and future.
more like half as- ing. it
If your civilization cannot maintain its own existence, then your civilization is a failure.
It does seem that way. Women no longer need to rely on men to survive.
The Government: You need to have more kids
The People: Will you lower the cost of living?
The Government: No.
there is another issue that was not mentioned: women that can not get pregnant for health reasons and women who do not want to get pregnant because they are afraid of damaging their bodies. This has the solution of surrogacy which should be incentivized to help these women who want children of their own to become mothers.
How about incentivizing grandparents to help in the raising of their grandchildren.
The State imports millions of migrants, driving down wages, increasing housing prices and overpopulating the country.
Then it had the audacity to use low birth rates (largely the result of wage slavery and housing prices) as an excuse for slave imports.
What’s really sad about most people’s concern for the birthrates is that they’re not upset that people are too downtrodden to reproduce but instead that they won’t get a future generation of consumers and tax payers. The potential, more often inevitable suffering that unborn child will endure is irrelevant, they are a number on a spreadsheet to profit from, a cog in a machine.
All kinds of interesting things happen when psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcs reduce people to numbers on a spreadsheet.
I think of how corporations also do it to reduce the number of people on staff.
I am childless because I can’t get a date because of my poor looks. Women want my money only, without wanting to have children with me.
AthenaCannon based and b l ack pi lled.
W for not becoming a B e t a B u x
The money for people with kids idea was implemented in poland and it went just as everybody expected.
let me guess....nothing changed.
There's a guy I know who entered a monogamous long-distance relationship with a girl whom all of his friends slept with. This was 2011, and they were both 19 at the time.
This girl is also incredibly b*tchy and a dominant.
They're still together and have had two kids.
Ironically, he'd consider himself "successful".
Is this really what guys here want? Sounds like an awful experience. Best to have your freedom.
@@bones642 one girl forever? Sounds terrible.
@@bones642 although admittedly I don't know that film. Looking at the plot on Wiki it sounds like Hell.
@@DavidW-ng5zv Terrible? If it's a terrible person, then definitely.
@@whenpigsfly8178 personally, I'd get bored. We're not really built for monogamy.
Are we sure those kids are his
telling everyone should have parental instinct is no different from telling everyone should love eating junk food, because humans loved sugar throughout the history. more critical thinking a person has, more he will realsize that sugar causes harm to your body, more he will avoid it. same thing goes to parental instinct... i was once necessary for our species... not for individuals within a species... if you can afford children without compromising your life standard, go for it, else no.
Indeed. Besides, there are plenty of people who never had the instinct. If it was, CPS cases would basically be nonexistent.
Population decline is inevitable, you can't have gender equality and high fertility rate in the same sentence, and beside male sperm count is declining rapidly in developed countries, this is a bigger problem than you can imagine, people use to have many children when children were an asset and they could help in the farm and other stuff and children use to be actively involved in the production of their own food so people were quite happy for having them, but even back then when there was famine people would immediately stop having children, to conclude we like any other animals on earth reproduce when the conditions are good, you're seeing the declining birth rate as the sickness but in reality it's just the symptom.
Watching this as an antinatalist like, why to solve it. It's not even a problem lol
The decline in testosterone levels and the reversal of traditional male and female roles are the two biggest contributors to abysmal birth rates. Why don't you talk more about this, Wheat?
Absolut bullshit, the cost of raising a family is just way too high, your argument is just part of some stupid culture war that is happening in your online bubble
@@surfacepro3328 The poorest countries in the world have the most children, and even within countries the poorest demographics within those countries usually reproduce more
The vast majority of couples in a developed, first world country could easily raise multiple children if one partner just worked 80 hours a week and the extended family helped out with child-rearing
This is why all these stupid tax-break policies "intended to fix the use" (really just there to make it look like something's being done, all governments know the issue is irreversible) make next to zero difference
Wow, you really rethink this one. Raising taxes to pay and manage these programs have no “incentive” in the capitalist society we live in. Where is the corporate support? Politicians will not just do these things just because it is a good idea. They respond to how they and corporations can make money.
We need to break the oligarchy of the elite donor class.
It is 100% true that while a lot of people bring this problem up, almost nobody talks about solutions. Even when they do, it's usually, "just have kids, zoomers!", which doesn't even begin to look at the source of the problem.
The solution is turning the access they have to top guys off, banning the apps
@@henwen6080 That sounds just as stupid as when women say they hate men's preferences. You can't blame them for wanting top tier men.
@@loveisthemostpowerfulforce1397 Shut it down! Starve them out!
@@loveisthemostpowerfulforce1397 I am a man of Victorian morals and ethics please talk to me with manners and dignity, I loathe the lower class common people such as yourself
Indeed, it sounds like the "If you just stopped buying avocado toast and Starbucks" arguments.
This may be right from your perspective. But once you get older you might understand that having children in a fast pace society like this, means almost deleting your life. Beside that, most jobs in society aren't even needed if we were to built good material and lasting object, like we used to do.
So it's all meaningless seen from another one his/her perspective. But more people = more profit for the rich. Because when this occurs they have more low payed workers and they have more income due to more unconscious people buying their unconscious and pretty much useless products.
its OVER for babycels
Wheat, you talked many times on how a large amount of women are attracted to only the top percentage of men. If women don't want to date the bottom 80% of men, why would you expect them to want to marry and have children with them? How would financial incentives correct this problem?
It will be easier for an average man to be a good provider, so women, theoretically, will be a less picky. But yeah, monogamy is dead anyway, so it will be a better solution to legalise dual mate strategy and simping for majority of peoples and polygamy for top percents of men and women.
Good question. Halving or reducing a w0man's income tax rate by two-thirds is likely *not* enough incentive for her to get railed by a normie..
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It won't by itself. The problem, as we've discovered, is that young women cannot have too much freedom or they make bad choices that threaten the stability of civilization itself. A complete cultural change to restore a patriarchal society will be required. There are really only two paths back to a patriarchy for the West: 1.) The mass adoption of a patriarchal religion like traditional Catholicism or Islam, or 2.) some revised form of National Socialism. On our present trajectory we are heading towards a systemic social crisis over the next several generations and some variation of those two options will likely be the solution adopted in response. The liberal democratic society we currently live in likely will not survive the transition.
@@randyjones3050 Sounds like a dream, pure fantasy.
my bawlls itch
Between wanting to travel the world as well as having free time to play videogames and watch TH-cam I just have no interest whatsoever in having kids.
Calhoun rat utopia experiments in the 1960s had pointed to this phenomenon decades before humans displayed this same behavior. When rats and mice had everything they can want, no predators, abundant food, water, shelter, plenty of rats to mate and interact with… eventually the population in the rat utopia peaks and plateau. More than that’s the rats display hypergamy, top male rats mating with all the female rats, incel rats display unusual behaviors like homosexuality or ceasing sexual effort, mother rats would stop taking care of their offsprings… essentially these rats stop behaving like rats. When these rats were reintroduced to the wild, they did not go back to acting like rats, rather they permanently changed into a different whole different type of animal not found in nature.
I don’t think humans are designed or evolve for this kind of urbanized civilization environment that the Industrial Revolution has made.
This
I had pretty severe health problems as a child. Being forced into sports would have been a nightmare. Instead, I was very musical and ended up in the band and choir by the time I reached high school and beyond. Why should the PE teacher be given advantages over other specials teachers like music and art?
Children can get socialization and team building skills being part of a band, choir, or class art project, and even civic organizations like 4H, Girl Scouts, or Youth of Indeterminate Gender Scouts (BSA). Not every child has the ability to become an athlete, especially at the scholarship level in college/university. Subsidizing sports and "healthy" eating over other all other worthwhile activities is showing your bias.
Was your mom on hormonal birth control when she met your dad?
@@maidende8280 No, and my 3 other siblings were born healthy. My point was to show Wheat Waffle's bias as my mom is a retired music teacher and my youngest sister is one currently.
@@pace1195 I’m glad to hear that. I do agree with your point generally. Also, why doesn’t WW care about intellectual stimulus (incl. music)? That’s very important to raising good children too, especially if you want to maximise their potential.
What kind of health problems did you have? You don’t have to answer, ofc, I’m just curious.
@@maidende8280 I was born with a congenital heart defect - pulmonary atresia (ventral septal defect version).
I don't blame WW for not caring; it's just his bias as a former PE teacher and athlete. People care much more about their lives than everyone else's issues.
It's when public policy is pushed for your preferred way to raise someone else's children when it becomes a problem.
Punish the bad parents when there are issues of abuse (in all forms), and let the good parents raise their children as they see fit to maximize each child's potential.
@@pace1195 Indeed. I explained the flaw in top down thinking this way.
Imagine that statistics show people with horse owners have a higher quality of life than those without horses.
Now imagine someone mandating horses for all.
How many people would just say "Life sucks, now I have a giant smelly beast added to it" as a result?
They are a good amount of people that are not cut out to be parents, many of them get shown on Jerry Springer.
Actually I find that the biggest issue is simply cost of living, and I'm not just talking the money cost. You only have so much time as a person and your not a machine, your not meant to be perfectly efficient, in fact organic life doesn't really work that way at all. My point is if you can fix cost of living aka "money/energy/time" the whole problem easily rebalances itself.
Declining birth rates isn’t that bad tho ppl get more freedom
In the end there's not enough productive people to mantain society
In my opinion, another drastic measure would be the introduction of the 6 hours long work-day for factory workers.
Two shifts: one from 6 am to midday, and the other from 1 pm to 19 pm.
This would be, in my opinion, FANTASTIC for many reasons:
- Workers conditions would improve, as they have much freeer time with their family
- Mothers could work in the morning while the children are at school, and fathers could work in the afternoon (or viceversa) Regardless, both would get more time to grow their own kids
- 8 hours a day 5 days a week means 40 hours of "job getting done" for the factory. 2x6 hours a day 6 days a week would mean 72 hours of job getting done, while paying each worker 36 hours instead of 40.
- A lot of factory jobs would be created, and what made Europe great in the last centuries wasn't tourism or social medias, but industrialization
- More workers and more weekly hours of production would help Europe getting along with the industrializing countries on Earth, like China, Viet Nam and Indonesia.
I'm no economist, but what would you think?
I think the financial angle is underrated and goes back to the feminist movement. My parents raised a family of 5 children and always had a car and holiday running from one income.
Compare that to nowadays you will NEED 2 incomes to have your own house and even that is bought later than the previous generation. Then you add in childcare costs. People are forced into having smaller families, that's if you're even in the hunt for being in a successful relationship to begin with.
Yep damn right, you nailed it when you mentioned the house prices. That's if you can even find one for sale now before it gets snapped up by... - buy to let landlords 🙄 (aka, scumbags!)
Women in the workforce is a huge factor. Daycare is a disaster.
How is that women's fault? No one can raise a family on a single income.
@@tc-tm1my it was the way before the feminist movement.
@@maidende8280I’m staying in the workforce whether you like it or not 😂😂😂😂
1) I don't have money.
2) Kids are expensive.
3) I don't want to be stuck cleaning shit, managing crying baby, fighting with my wife, doing household work all day.
4) Women have unrealistic standards. They want 6'3'' tall , masculine, good looking , athletic guy who is making 200k.
5) I don't want women in their late 30s who are entitled and rushing to make babies. I don't find women in their mid 30s attractive
6) I was raised by poor unemployed parents and they had 4 kids. I don't want to live like that
7) My life suck. I don't have a good job or a career
You dont solve the problem of the dad just vanishing into thin air
It's horrible to have a law on how to raise your children, I would say just let the world burn, nothing needs to be solved, humanity will solve itself.
Black pilling the black pill channel... priceless.
Failure fixes itself - Johnny Sanphillippo
No, it is easy to fix have many children raise them to love you, if they stray remind them you can write them out of the will. Works very well for my family, us indians doing okay here in usa. Happy daughters and wives, also make sons hit gym, good god so fat here
@@pace1195 😂gold
@@ajays9936 There are so many poor urban minorities and poor rural white trash kids who have bad parents and will get zero inheritance. There is nothing anyone can threaten you with to correct bad behavior when there is nothing to offer in the first place.
@@ajays9936 Wow.. Reminds me of a neighbor I had after moving into my first apartment. She was from a Jewish family, but dated a non-Jew in college. They continued to date after graduation. I don't remember how it came up .. but one day her parents told her that if she kept dating the guy and ended up marrying him, that she would be written out of their Will. My neighbor broke it off with the long term boyfriend soon after that discussion.
I love my children so much so that I will not condemn them to life
I was ripped out of perfect nonexistence without my consent and don't violate the consent of others.
Korea does not have a lowest fertility rate. Please check out statistics for the country called Hong Kong. It was already bad in 2019 - at 0.7.
After chinazzi occupation value dropped to 0.5!
I think parental instincts and being able to raise a good child in an advanced, civilized society are different things. Yes, I could probably raise a child so that it could physically survive in this world, but for that child to be a good and intelligent person that finds meaning and fulfillment through virtue and contributions to the world, well I can only imagine it would be very difficult. I think its the film "Idiocracy" that opens with 2 opposing families, one very stupid and with tons of children, and one extremely intelligent married couple with no children. Not saying I am intelligent, but I would only bring a child into this world if I truly believed I could not only teach them to survive, but to _live_ properly.
Yep, true. I don't want children staring at screens. Plus you can't discipline them anymore, hence children are Brats nowadays
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Who says that? We still spank in this house. All they new age sit in the corner trash doesn't work.
@@prettyboyjeremy I'm glad you and some others do.
Just that you keep saying it on the British news saying "Oh you can't touch them" 🙄 yep pathetic, I know.
@@shanepatrick641 We got our independence in 1776
I don't care what the British think
That’s why urbanisation & industrialisation will be our downfall.
I have 5 siblings, though my parents wanted more. My parents house is old, and we had small bedrooms which we shared. since I am the youngest I wore old clothes that my older siblings also wore, I got much less money for spending on stuff then my friends, and not the newest trend in clothes and toys, but I was fed more than enough and played a lot outside, and I am so grateful for my five siblings and wouldn’t trade them for any material things in the world, and I think I’m much more grateful for gifts and experiences like vacations than my friends are.
My mother stayed at home and my dad worked overtime when he could, and even though it was VERY hard for them at times, but they are so grateful for their children and grandchildren and the fact that they will have six possible care givers when they grow old and they won’t die alone.
Two big reasons why people don't want kids or want fewer kids is because: 1. women can't find good enough partners and 2. the family courts destroy men who have children in terms of custody and child support. Wheat Waffles didn't address these issues. I went through divorce in the UK and lost 70% of my money, assets and home equity, and am stuck paying child maintenance for 10+ years. The idea that Wheat Waffles wants to deprive single moms (the most vulnerable people in society) of tax breaks and food stamps is laughable and shows how naïve and politically illiterate Wheat Waffles is. Finally, where does all the money come from in order to pay for all these tax breaks and food stamps???
Exactly. He didn't even throw a bone like mandatory paternity tests ...
He's literally like 21. He doesn't understand any of this
@@tessy28 💯% facts. I was thinking the same thing when I watched the video. He is really showing his young age.
How is giving massive tax breaks to couples who have children different from having single people pay for other peoples children? You need to rethink this. I dont mind contributing a little to other peoples kids as is currently the case in my country, but no way im going to break my back for that. Choosing not to have children shouldn't be punished. Just give ALL people some breathing room by lowering taxes for everyone and people will start popping out babies in no time, but our inefficient and corrupt political system is in the way of that, that's the real problem.
The issue with taxing those who do not have children is that they may not have the ability to provide children due to dating issues or health issues - and, thus, to pay the increase in taxes, they will collectively increase their demand for wages or salaries in the workforce which will render the minimum wage obsolete and then most of the taxpayer money is actually coming from corporations being either forced to hire entry-level workers for $30 minimum by cultural collective demand or else leaving the country to find cheaper labour and reducing the job opportunities for the population, shrinking GDP and impacting the spending power of the money given to parents for having kids. Thus, raising kids will likely cost a minimum of $500,000 in the future so your figure of approximately $200,000 will likely be outdated and not enough to incentivize childbearing. Paying the child-free tax will ironically be cheaper and will simply make the workforce demand more money at a higher baseline from their jobs. Say goodbye to continual growth and record profits. Sacrifice is a two-way street. Also, I thought automation and AI were supposed to ensure that population decline would not be detrimental - it would reduce job opportunities and make it necessary for the population to decrease to reduce poverty and homelessness in the next generation.
Exactly. The Roman empire did this sort of thing during the decline years. Masses decided that whatever the tax was, paying it was preferable to making babies.
What's the problem with declining birthrates? No more slaves for out expansionist capitalist system? Sounds good to me. An economy shouldn't be build with the assumption of constant growth in the first place
Why do we need an infinite population?
Because the elite capitalists need more plebs fighting for scraps.
Because the C suite need line go up to infinity. Gotta have more infinite plebs fighting over finite scraps.
I am a Childless Male in Germany, and i´d like to say something about one of the Things you brought up. When
People say that they have no "parental Instincts", they do not mean that. Always remember, People tend to be
Idiots, and in this case, what they actually mean is "i have no Parenting SKILLS, as i barely have a grip on my
own life Situation."
And i believe that is genuinly the Case. People are not forced to learn good selfcare Skills nowadays, not at Home,
and certainly not while in School. My Proof? Myself. When i was in Elementary School, in the 90´s, this was already
so bad that i got free passes for behavior that to this Day is damaging to me, including massive laziness and
non-participation. And since i hear from all sides that Things have not Improved since then, i feel rather safe with my Statement.
Oh, and for those who would ask why i am Childless, i am Autistic. Which is coincidentely one of the few legitimate
Reasons to not have Children
While I freely admit I don't have a better solution, I'm not sure about these. Throwing this kind of money around can't be done through taxes, people are already being squeezed to death. It has to come from money printing and borrowing, which will simply accelerate the slide to default and crash. I'm also not comfortable with people feeling trapped in abusive marriages because they'll lose so much financially if they leave.
I never want to have children and thats because I am a really cynical, anti-social and selfish human being with a hate for myself and a dislike for pretty much everyone else.
I really hate children. They are loud, unhygienic, chaotic and just a waste of my time, money and patience. I can't stand to be around people as is, but children are worse than that. Social Contact is extremely taxing and exhausting for me and having a little hellspawn around all the time would just drain my "battery" completely. Aside from that I just want all the free-time and money (that I earn by going to work) for myself. I need my peaceful, quite and socially isolated life to basically even function properly. A child would just get into the way of this life that I want for myself.
- not that I would ever be in that position since I am probably the closest thing you get to the "Ugly Bastard"-tag irl.
Saw some kids screwing around on an escalator today (trying to go backwards in the wrong direction) holding people up and I was so tempted to say "STOP FUCKING ABOUT ON THAT FUCKING ESCALATOR". But you never know when Dad is right behind them with an XL Bully (killer dog) on the chain.
For me its more about the liability of having a kid..The world is to crazy kids take to much effort just to see one be deleted in their kindergarten class,hit by a drunk driver or kidnapped.
It's better to just focus on your self and make money so you can live a good life...I don't care what happens to the world in the future when I'm gone.
The way I see it most of these social issues climate issues political issues will not be a problem that seriously effects me in my life time...
The birth rate won't effect me global warming won't effect me the zillinials won't effect me..
I'm not going to worry about it.
Excellent video. It's great to see you taking your analytical skills outside the realm of dating and into larger societal problems.
The financial problem is easy to solve. Instead of paying upfront or during the child's upbringing, you pay the parent when the kid turns 18 and does well on a psychological evaluation or something. That way, you ensure there are no perverse incentives.
It also ensures that only the people who legitimately want children have them, as some drug addict or selfish mother probably isn't going to wait 18 years for a lump-sum payment while having to front the cost until then.
Sorry, Wheat Waffles, an economist you are not. There's an old saying, "What you tax you get less of, and what you subsidize you get more of." Food stamps are the equivalent of currency (dollars, pounds, pesos, etc.). Giving out more of these does three things:
First, it increases inflation because the actual money printer is not going to stop going brrrr creating currency to purchase everything and switch to food stamps only for "healthy" food.
Second, currency is fungible. If people are not using actual currency to purchase "healthy" food, they will use it on other items, and some of those items will be bad. They could use this additional currency on unhealthy food, alcohol, drugs, more expensive clothing (not for children), a more expensive car, jewelry, etc.
Third, who decided what is "healthy"? You will have yet another government bureaucracy with very expensive lobbyists attempting to get their products listed as "healthy" and their competitor products listed as "unhealthy".
Call me heartless but I see plummeting birthrates a great thing we've over stayed our welcome on this planet and should bow out gracefully, this world is no place for a child
I agree. A global population below 1 billion would be perfect.
It's too bad that a lot of guys willing to work, marry, settle down and raise a family can't find a partner due to increasing expectations from women and society as a whole.
They can marry each other and hire a surrogate
loooooool
I support your idea but wouldn't the parents stay married on paper but split up in practice when they can no longer stand eachother?
Yeah there would probably be a lot of fake couples if it meant an economic loss to break up.
If we add an incentive for couples stay together, there will be a breach for abusive relantionships. And then, to keep the money and open the chance to end the abuse, some clauses involving that will be added. And women will have more reasons to acuse man of violence.
And for the food, public schools can simply cook healthier foods and give to the children. That's how it is in Brazil.
Better food in schools would be a good start. Although here in the UK when this happened mothers literally pushed chips (fries) through the school fence to feed their kids "proper food". This is the problem with "educating parents" about cooking. Nice idea, but a lot of people straight up won't believe it.
The 'no parental instinct' thing being ignorant due to the fact that every ancestor had children is way too simplistic for multiple reasons. One, you're looking only at the line that kept breeding and not at all the branches that died along the way (survivorship bias). Two, the past ancestors didn't necessarily think of having children when having sex - people want pleasure so they fuck, and then the whole psychological thing kicks in once the woman gets pregnant. The brain essentially tricks people into propagating. That leads to three - if the brain trickery chain gets broken, by things like sex not leading to pregnancy nearly as often as in the past, it's not unusual for the nurturing instinct to never arise in the first place. Also fourth point, in the past people didn't have nearly as many entertaining distractions as they do nowadays.
"sex not leading to pregnancy nearly as often as in the past, it's not unusual for the nurturing instinct to never arise in the first place" - a tangent here, but a super interesting side effect is internally the body will signal to leave the relationship and possible make someone hate their partner, simply because as far as the body is concerned 'well if we've slept together so many times, and there's still no pregnancy, they must be barren/sterile' and at the physical level the body will find their partner disgusting almost against their will sometimes
I like the idea but the government would never do this. The reason it pushes the single agenda is to get as many single people in the workforce as possible so employers can get more production for the same cost. The government also gets more money with more single tax payers.
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Well good luck to y'all who want children. I'm good on not having any, although I will call it a stretch to say I'm selfish for not wanting kids. For me it's as simple as it has never appealed to me. Nothing about having children ever resonated with me. I wouldn't call that selfish though
When your 60 you will understand🎉
Let nature do this job !
Another idea - your pension is based not only on your income and years worked, but how many kids you raised.
Of course it would require ensuring infertile people are not affected, cause its not their fault. And it would definitely be an area where people would try to cheat the system, get fake infertility certificates or something, but if system was good it would be a very small amount of people
When people say "I don't want the impact on my lifestyle" they aren't just talking about perusing education and career ambitions, they are also concerned with how having a family will affect their sex life. Many people nowadays have promiscuous, hypergamous, or homosexual lifestyles, none of which are compatible with having a traditional family.
Agreed. Promiscuous behavior in men and women have both been linked to worst outcomes in marriage. What you do before marriage prepares you for marriage or hinders you in building a strong marriage. If your behavior doesn’t reflect being loyal to one person and only being sexually, emotionally and romantically involved with one person you are only learning behaviors that are really bad for marriage,
@@viviennedunbar3374 "promiscuous behaviors in men" just say Tyrone/ Chad bro
@@CarbonGod666 Fake. Nowadays, with how promiscuous women are, any man can lead a promiscuous life.
Well then, find a way to make sexual satisfaction increase, not decrease.
Besides, I wonder if sex worked out well for the people who waited for marriage, because "God says so" and hellfire and brimstone purity culture bullshit was used.
@@skylinefever I think it's a matter of values. People nowadays value immediate gratification over long term fulfillment. If you live in a culture like that of course you are going to chase whatever gives you immediate sexual satisfaction.