It’s so surprising that people from a foreign country can see that Ganguly was the best leader but people from my own country cannot see beyond Kohli or Dhoni
Becoz he didn't contribute on those win one said by Mohinder Amarnath in dd national fourth umpire.his 5 wins come against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh outside Ind
@@drnamankhatri No....its an opinion from a well recognized cricket expert......not a social media obsessed media who doesnt know nuances and get swayed by current success...
Becoz he didn't contribute on those win one said by Mohinder Amarnath in dd national fourth umpire.his 5 wins come against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh outside Ind
Ganguly was a great leader.. perhaps the greatest after Kapil but he was not tactically that good.. he kept loosing finals, even in bilaterals.. only win from his captaincy was NatWest final, that too we would have lost if not for the brilliance of Kaif and Yuvi.. Dhoni was tactically the best.. he knew how to use his resources..
@@ChatPOPPAT he kept losing because he played all of them against Australia and SriLanka who were far superior.....Dhoni did not win in underdog situations, be it test or ODIs or T20s........Dhoni has the edge in t20Is because Ganguly, Kapil and the others didnt play t20is............
@@RC-ym5cm bhains ke aage been mat baja bhai ye dhoni ke bhakt rehte hai. Inko Cricket ke international team kaise chalti hai na uski samajh hoti hai na baki kisi cheez ki. Team India me 2007 ke IPL ke Baad jab paisa aana shuru hua BCCI ke paas tab duniya ki best resources aayi jo Australia wagera ke paas early 2000s se thi. World ke best Data analyst world ke best game ke readers jo guide karte hai coach aur captain ko strategy banane ke liye aur wo gadha bol raha hai Yuvi aur kaif ne jitaya to 2011 me bhi Yuvi hi Australia ke Saamne QF match nikala tha jisme dhoni point me maar ke chal diya tha. 2007 ke knockout me Eng ke samne 12 pe 50 nahi maarta to 2007 me bhi bahar ho jate finals me bhi gambhir dhoni ke jaise wicket phek ke chale jata to dhoni ke hath me bhi kya aata tambura?
The most important aspect of Ganguly's leadership was that he gained back the respect of Indian cricket which had completely lost due to the match-fixing scandal of the 90s. When the news broke that Azhar, who was such a stylish and beloved cricketer during the 90s was involved the entire cricket landscape had plummeted in the eyes of the common spectator. Sourav brought back the honesty and integrity of the team.
There is a reason why people say dada..captaincy or leadership is needed when ur down n out..people who have lived through the 90s know why Ganguly is the greatest…he picked us up when we were dead..that’s the greatest trait of leadership..no success would have happened if that era of 2000-05 wouldn’t have happened
@@VARMOT123 Had a pretty unbalanced squad....about 15 keepers were played between 1999 WC and 2007 WC...fast bowlers were injury prone.......opening batsmen in tests were coming and going...
As a person who followed Indian cricket from 1998, I feel Ganguly is the greatest Indian captain ever. He built the team, he built the attitude of the team. He took the team out of shadow of match fixing scandal and brought trust back on Indian team.
Saurav Ganguly - played hard, is a gentleman, made indian cricket fearless, backed young players like yuvraj, kaif, etc, managed stars and gained respect of likes of sachin, dravid, kumble, managed his pacers much better than what sachin did to srinath and prasad in the south africa tour and most importantly, revived the faith of indian fans after the matchfixing saga involving Azhar and Jadeja. Saurav built a foundation on which every captain who came after him took it to the next level. After the flash in the pan with Kapil's Devils, in the 80s, Indian cricket went through its worst stagnant phase with the doctored pitches by Wadekar coach and Azhar matchfixer-captain where indian batsmen never knew how to play pace and indian pacers were ineffective while india underperformed outside subcontinent. Ganguly broke those shackles that were tying the indian cricket down
People lack context. In 1990’s India was the hub of match fixing. From BCCI officials to captain to players. When Ganguly came, forget that India was a poor team in terms of performance, the whole establishment was corrupt. That is when he started his cleanup job, made the team competitive, and started winning overseas, even winning a CT in 2002. The turnaround itself is nothing less than a miracle. Hardly any team has made such a turnaround from being corrupt and incompetent to become world beaters. The comments saying “Kohli” here stink of ignorance. Dhoni would be the close 2nd because winning 3 finals in no mean feat, but his test records are poor. Red Ball : Ganguly White Ball : Dhoni
The legacy Kohli left behind was of fitness and his fondness of fast bowling especially in tests. That test match I want to say Oval where he said let's give them hell for 60 overs....rousing speech but only possible because bowlers were fit enough to clock 80-85mph on the 5th day in the final session. Dhoni was pragmatic and went with what he got...Kohli demanded excellence in at least fitness and the team was definitely better for it
Ironically Ganguly, Tendulkar and most Indian fans all hated on Greg Chappell when he tried to implement better fielding and fitness standards in the indian team as head coach, much like Kohli has done
@@iamhugeandsquareBecause the main players in 2000s was not known for fitness. So they tried to block that initiative... But in Kohli's era, Kohli was the key player and he himself was supremely fit. So he was able to execute his initiatives.
@@iamhugeandsquare I mean you can't top dog Sachin or dada. The scenarios were totally different. Chappel got a very settled team from Wright, it had a mix of youth and stalwarts and both these sets needed a different approach. With Kohli taking over as test captain...he was the top dog..he got a young team which was easy to mold as per his vision
Kohli demanded those standards from his bowlers. And pushed them and pulled them towards excellence by leading from the front. It was very clear post the 2011 WC win, that Dhoni didn’t really enjoy captaining in red ball. Dhoni given his powers could have laid down the same standards but he did not
@@saurabhb1041 exactly, but when Chappell demanded those same standards to Ganguly and Tendulkar they spit the dummy and got him sacked, thats way Ganguly could never be india's best captain
2:00 it wasn't changing Ganguly changed it. When he took the captaincy India was going through the worst phase. Mohammad Azharuddin Cheated on the Nation and purposely trying to lose. So many players were thrown out of the team, banned, people were on the streets burning everything. India was 8th on the ranking and then Ganguly took control and he was the one who changed Indian cricket and cricketers mentally and physically for good. Bade kaptaan apna Naam banaye records banaye lekin Dada ne team banayi players banaye❤
Surprising that Kapil Dev did not come up in this discussion. Charismatic and with a never say die attitude. India exceeded expectations under his leadership.
Ask anyone outside India about the best captain of India, 99% says its Ganguly. But in India hardly anyone acknowledged it. Naser Hussain, Steve Waugh everybody said it.
Its Ganguly, just look at how India got steamrolled in 1999 in Aus before Ganguly took over. Also the timing when he took the captaincy when players like Azhar, Jadeja were caught of match fixing. Ganguly searched & found talent, the team that Dhoni led was built by Ganguly. Sehwag, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan, Gambhir, Dhoni him self brought into the Indian team by Ganguly. And the most recent decision as BCCI president, He took captaincy from Kohli & made Rohit the captain and the result is there for everyone to see. India finally won a worldcup.
Anyone who knows the history of Indian cricket will understand that the two captains most responsible for the biggest cultural shift in Indian cricket were Nawab of Pataudi and Saurav Ganguly. Dhoni and Kohli wouldn't have been able to achieve anything without the shift in mentality that Pataudi and Ganguly engineered.
It depends on how you see greatness. For me it was always , a captain is great who can build match winners. Under Ganguly most of match winners were created. Yuvi, Bhajji, Kaif, Raina etc. Under Dhoni there arent match winners, but players who shined in a particular moment. Kohli recognised the hole in Indian bowling and has pretty much fixed it up. But its batters who are lackluster. Remember Ind was able to produce Yuvraj, coz after initial success, he was given a really long rope. That made Yuvi a player who would win you series/tournaments, not just some moments or few matches.
@@dashmeetsingh9679 Did you know Kohli played under Dhoni in the early part of his career? Did you forget about Pujara, Ashwin and Jadeja? Shami and Ishant started around Dhoni's under him and were persisted with and peaked later.
@@sanjeevopeth Dude, if you wanna compare, please check how many similar players, "debuted" and "peaked" under Ganguly and Kohli as well. Its well known fact that Ganguly had put his career on the line multiple times for multiple players. Kohli and to some extent Dhoni they were assisted by IPL as well.
Go back and check your comment. You said there were no match winners during Dhoni's time only few who shined during certain moments which is not true. Ganguly inherited Tendulkar, Laxman, Dravid, Harbhajan, Kumble, Srinath, Agarkar. The one's he can take credit for is Yuvraj, Raina, Zaheer Khan amongst the big names. Ganguly himself blocked Yuvraj from a potential test place. If you think Kohli, Pujara, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami and Bumrah are not match winners then you probably don't understand cricket 'Dude'. Ganguly rightfully takes credit for giving us the balls to stand up in world cricket but you can't say others didn't do anything afterwards. Dhoni, Kohli and Rohit have all taken the game forward to win for India which Ganguly couldn't finish.
Dhoni was a fantastic limited overs captain and an excellent captain to spinners in Test cricket. But during his time, India struggled overseas. Dhoni was a spinner's captain. Kohli is the best Test captain after Ganguly. He supported pace bowlers. He along with Ravi Shastri changed how India handled pace bowling. Kohli and Shastri brought pace bowlers to the front especially in Test cricket in India and abroad. Kohli is a great Test captain
NOT REALLY DHONI IS LITERALLY WORST CAPTAINS EVER IN T20, ONLY IN ODI HE WAS GREAT AND BEST WICKET KEEPER. FOR INDIA KOHLI BEST TEST CAPTAIN, DHONI BEST ODI CAPTAIN AND ROHIT SHARMA IS GENIUS HE IS BEST T20 CAPTAIN
Good captain add to players skill. Like elevated 10 level suddenly. Dhoni had that aura that uplifted whole team. India will never have another dhoni. Others are just ok. Captaining india is whole 100 level different that captaining england or australia. I mean 11 player came from different zone , different caste , different support base. Everyone watching every move of yours. If you ignore or bad mouth a player , you are annoying and irritating millions of people who support that players. Dhoni handled this issue very cleanly. Dhoni made only a mistake with sehwag by not letting sehwag go on high. Otherwise he had clean slate which downright impossible. There is groupism and castism in the indian team leadership. That mean new players wont get treated fairly if they are coming form smaller state. If you are a player who are victim of bullying and abuse , you will never say a word. BCCI will cut off the pension for the players. Even if you go privately , it will get ignored. Because Indian team is a business. Any negative press is very bad unless it is done by many many players and someone filmed it. You need evidence and publish it via third party. if you are player and publish it , you will end up like azharuddin. BCCI is vengeful. They act like hive mind. Once they say you are out , you are out. it take whole of india support to make BCCI to back off. Sreesanth case is another. Whole state of kerala pushed to make sreesanth bad record erased. Anyways captain job india is a curse. Most will fell on to the hellish job. I mean everyone wanted the job for money and pride but do not have ability to deal with humans. Great player should never be captain. Western concept of leadership is flawed. Most people think captain job is how you handle in field. Sure western concept , every thing is compartmentalised. You still see root , kevin williamson and kevin pieterson failed. Because you need a leader as captain. Leader of men. You have to understand people insecurities and provide them safe zone. Free their mind when they play.
If people remeber 2003 Australia tour series, they will know that how Ganguly and his team fought and performed that greatest Australia team because of his leadership
Kimber is wrong here. Dhoni was not great tactically which is why India lost 4-0 in england and australia under him. India was struggling in test cricket and kohli revived the indian bowling line up. Yes dhoni is great in Odis and t20s on turning tracks but it was kohli who revived indian fast bowling and that is why we won two back to back test series in australia. We had bowlers who could take 20 wkts which was never the case under dhoni. He didnt really care about test cricket and retired in 2015 only to play ipl for next 10 years. Having said that Dada was the best captain because he inherited a bad team which lost test series against south africa at home 2-0 and at that point India had also lost azhar and jadeja due to match fixing. Ganguly introduced new talent and built that team from scratch. Dhoni and kohli inherited good teams
It is between Dhoni and Ganguly for me. And probably Dhoni would be slight favourite because of his tactical edge as well as the big tournaments he has won . People talk about his overseas losses in test ...but Initially he had some historic test series win, in New Zealand we won, we drew a series in SA in 2010 under him in which we dominated.
You must remember how Sourav Ganguly became captain in the first place, we lost Azharuddin, Jadeja and Nayan Mongia together, Sachin didn't want to be captain.
But Gantuly had the services Dravid, Yuvraj, Zaheer etc. Dravid and Yuvraj are way better players than Azhar and Jadeja! So losing those players did not affect much. In fact getting rid of Azhar helped win more games since match fixing stopped!
@@asiahgas5812: Choosing those players wasn't a gamble at all, Dada was a visionary. The same players chosen by Dada gave us 2002 CT, 2007 T20 WC & 2011 WC apart from reaching 2000 CT & 2003 WC finals.
Difficult one I would say Ganguly helped change the mindset but Kholi helped change their approach and methodology, I would say slight edge on Ganguly, btw I support Pakistan.
HOW DID KOHLI EVEN CHANGE ANYTHING?? I THINK HE HELPED CHANGED FITNESS CULTURE BUT THERE WERE MANY FIT PLAYERS EARLIER TOO LIKE MOHAMMAD KAIF PROBABLY HE WAS MORE FIT THAN KOHLI HIMSELF
Kapil, Sourav & Dhoni.. The first two established identities & character of their teams when India was not amongst the best sides while Dhoni brought a winning habit & swagger to the team.
I have to say Kapil Dev. He was Mr. India for me. A great force that united India and offcourse the success of the 1983 World Cup. That knock vs zimbabwe to date is one of the best of all.time
What a great discussion? I agree with you that Ganguly is the greatest captain. Ganguly, as the captain of the Indian team, had his hands full with challenges. One a team that was completely shattered with the betting scandal. Then Ganguly had his challenges with the board where he had to prove himself and the teams worth. I remember everyone writing him off saying that he didn't deserve a second chance since he couldn't score runs. Many would have walked away from the situation, but dada stood up and proved to everyone what he could do. Ganguly will forever be the greatest captain of India, and he is still working for cricket behind the scenes. God Bless you Dada. 😊😊😊
As ganguly once said , “a captain is as good as the players he leads” .. players like sehwag, zaheer, harbhajan were nit the stalwarts during ganguly era. Ganguly made them believe their true worth. Don’t forget the Zaheer khan who went for 4 runs per over in 2011 WC went for 10 run per over in 2003 WC final. So saying Ganguly wasn’t tactical is hell of an understatement. Selecting players like Harbhajan, yuvi , dhoni to be put in the starting 11 is a sign of utmost tactical knowledge
Ganguly, no question at all, only a true cricket Indian fan will recognize, Ganguly was the one who lit brought fast swing attacking bowling while all the captains after him benifitted coz of ipl. Irfan pathan and Dhoni was picked by Ganguly while selectors didn't even considered them.
Every Indian captain worked hard for the betterment of the team, But the ICC Trophies are won by ROHIT, MSD & KAPIL so these three guys would be rated as the three greatest ever ❤🇮🇳
Sourav was the best along side Sachin. He would've got more centuries in test and his average would've been higher had he batted at the top order. He scarified his own batting to give others more chance.
You mean the same "legendary" captain who retired mid way thru an ongoing series for fear of becoming the captain with the highest number of test match losses in Indian cricket history?
The Champions Trophy, WTC and maybe the 2027 World Cup all await us If Rohit wins them all or even 2 of these, then he will go on as the most successful Indian captain and one of the all time greatest!
Rohit already has a legacy as a T20 captain. But his ODI and Test captaincy legacy wont be great. He lost ODI WC. So Dhoni will always be better. He doesn't seem to be winning in Test as dominantly as Kohli, also he doesn't have a long test captaincy career. So he wont be as great as Kohli in Test captaincy... So overall Rohit though will be considered a great T20 captain, his Test and ODI captaincy legacy won't be that great as Kohli or Dhoni respectively...
@@1239-p1k. Rohit if doesn't have fitness issue will captain tilll odi wc. Shubham gill is vc. Bcci told he will be captain after 2027 odi wc. 2 wtc, 1 ct, 1 odi wc. Rohit will captain India in 30 tests plus till 27.He can win 20 more. So totaly he can win 30+ test as captain. He has already captained 47 odis. Till 2027 he will be captianing 100 odis... Which is more than kohli who captianed 95 odis. Rohit has highest win percentage as odi cap. If he wins 2027 odi wc. He would have lost probably 2023 wc final as the only match lost in wc career as captian. He would surely be the greatest
Ganguly... Hands down. Dhoni was graced with a great team, which helps his stat look good. Ganguly was stuck some leftovers from the 90s and some new kids from the 2000s. Dhoni, Kohli do not even come close.
You guys hit the complete nail on Virat kohli He would be playing a hard gritty test match and he would think why u can’t hit Mitchel starc over his head for 4 why don’t you want to win more why are u not better all this questions played on his mind He always is thinking why anyone is not as good as him and lets be honest for a year or 2 he found those players who thought like him but what he got wrong in his captaincy was that not everyone is as good as him not everyone is an elite player
I appreciate that Ganguly's name was said first but did not like how Kohli's era was portrayed. Guys like Pujara and Rahane did excel under him, personalities you say would not work with virat
Good research to remember MAK Pataudi, Wadekar. For obvious reasons, Ganguly. Hoever, no mention of Kapil Dev, without whom the transformation of Indian cricket and this discussion wouldnt have taken place.
During Ganguly’s captaincy, Australia had the best team ever, South Africa were amazing, Sri Lanka and Pakistan were good teams. Today’s cricket there is nobody who dominates.
Ganguly gave the belief, MS gave trophies, Virat made the opponents stand up and take notice of the ruthlessness an Indian team can have in foreign conditions...All our greats and Rohit is brilliantly taking on the legacy...
Wadekar and Kapil gave the belief, Azhar brought the interest, Ganguly brought the renaissance, Dravid and Kumble showed leadership, Dhoni brought winning luck and composure, Kohli made us tests greats, Rohit brought the strategy and tactics...
Yes, Sourav Ganguly is definitely the best Indian Men's cricket captain by a mile. Scrap the statistics. It is the attitude of Indian Players that he was successful in change which still exists now in 2024
Ganguly played with more focus against smaller teams in later stages of his career to improve his stats. 3 hundreds against smaller teams in WC. Nobody questions why he scored against them but why he didn't batted with same class against bigger teams. A test hundred in Zimbabwe in 2005 when Zimbabwe lost test status. He never rested against Zim or Bangladesh series like Dhoni, Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli. That improved his batting as well as captaincy record.
what a load of bull. see his batting when he wasn't a captain. Captaincy took away from his batting. Dhoni doesnt have a test century outside the subcontinent.
@@redroish Kohli has. He is best test captain India has ever produced. No debate should be over this. A captain with below par batting can't be exemplary. Test avg of 37 as a captain while playing only as a batsman is below average performance.
@@a_s1829 Who played only as a batsman? Ganguly? Dont you know he bowled? Ganguly, when not captain averaged 46 and 42 while being one. The ferocity with which you are saying there should be no debate about VK convinces me you haven't watched cricket in the 90s and early 2000s. So, be humble and listen. Kohli was smart enough to build a battery of fast bowlers who could win him game overseas. I will give him that. But his greatest triumph was when Aus was without Smith and Werner, a very very poor Australian side. And Jinks captained the second away series win. Kohli cant lace MSD or Ganguly's boots when it comes to a tactical understanding of the game.
@@redroish Come on Ganguly was a part time bowler. Virat has won 40 test matches. Among top 5 captains in all time list. You may have your opinion. But Ganguly was never a captain in 90's BTW i have been watching cricket since 1996 Cricket world Cup
@@a_s1829: What? Since 96 WC? Doesn't look like it honestly 😂 Can't you notice & compare the strength & quality of the oppositions during Ganguly's & kohli's eras? Changes in rules & playing conditions? Ganguly had to face every prime team unlike Kohli who plays against chomu teams today 😂 Had Ganguly's team played in today's era, they would've been #1 in all formats of the game & brought in all the trophies 😅
What energy, What proactiveness. Dhoni was the most passive India captain in atleast 25 years, his supporters would even call him captain kool. Did nothing for the team.. always came in last 2 overs to get the credit for winning
Kapil, Dhoni, Rohit won world cups. Ganguly won championship trophy and WC finalist. Kohli did not win single icc trophy and India got knocked out at initial stage in T20 WC
Icc knockout 2000 final icc champions trophy 2002 icc world cup final. Winning against aus 2001 with that aus team with what he got. Great strategian bt used captaincy to sometimes to his personal advantage which ultimately led to his downfall( shielding from short pitched bowling after vaas exposed him in sharjah 2001 as he was captain he would come down to batting or ignore until 2006 to work on it.)
Dhoni was a whiteball captain ...he just carried forward dada's test team under transition..period ! People who say dhoni have not seen ganguly captain india
Under Dada India never became the #1 test side. Sure the top players were still the same for the most part but having high emphasis on all rounders was his doing. He introduced Ashwin and Jadeja to the test, while they were believed to be only T20i players. He also moved Irfan Pathan up the batting order, while the previous ones didn't try it.
@@pjay450: The reason for India not becoming #1 test side during Ganguly's time was because of prime Australia. Ganguly made us #2/3 from #8 in tests & ODIs within 5.5 yrs after getting a bad team post match fixing scandals in 2000 from where transition phase started. In his era, every team was strong & competitive be it SA, Srilanka, England, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Pakistan, New Zealand, West Indies with Australia being the baap of all teams. He didn't play against chomu teams like today. Blindly looking at the stats won't help if you don't look into them with context.
As they say - "a captain is only as good as his team" or let me rephrase that - "in cricket. a captain is only as good as his bowling line-up" Just imagine if Ganguly had Bumrah and Shami in his team and vice-versa if Kohli had Agarkar and Nehra in his team. If that were the case then I believe their records as "TEST Captain" would paint a very different picture.
@@averma12: You need to gain some cricket knowledge if you think Dada was a defensive captain! If any captain was defensive, it was the one & only Dhoni. Just look at his test record, that itself will suffice.
Dhoni World Test Match number one, undefeated in Test cricket for three years, Champions Trophy winner, World T20 winner 50 over World Cup winner. Dhoni is one two three. Only negative on Dhoni is that in the later stages he didn't take test cricket as seriously and India had a poor record in his last couple of years.
Ganguly and Kohli debate? Imagine if Ganguly had bowlers like Jaspreet Bumrah, Shami , Siraj. And imagine Kohli with bowlers like David, Debashish, Agarkar, Avishkar Salvi, etc
Kohli : Greatest Test captain ever for India. Probably the Greatest Test captain of all time. The fitness culture which he created resulted in India generating a lot of fast bowlers in Test arena... 40 wins in 67 Tests as captain. Away wins in Eng/Aus. And most importantly winning each and every home series. Dhoni/Kapil: Greatest ODI Captain. Winning ODI WC is no mere achievement. Rohit : Greatest T20 captain.
SR Waugh won one more test in 11 less games, had statistically the overall highest win percentage, was the first captain to win 16 test matches in a row. The fundamental difference is Kohli was mighty at home on Indian pitches with the highest win percentage of 77%. However, this was only 1.5% better than Waugh, while his away record was 43.2% which is a difference of 25% to Waugh's away record of 67.9% Waugh is the only long term Test Cricket captain to have a win percentage above 50% and his away record at 68% is more than 20% better than any other non Australian captain. Celebrate Kohli for all his glory and the way he transformed your team, but do not ascribe GOAT status because he implemented a fitness regime every other team implemented 20 years ago or because he won tests in England or Australia. The only player to challenge Waugh as best ever Test Cricket captain is Bradman, and that is largely because if you ever created an all time XI Test team he is the only player to be guaranteed a position
if it was for stats/trophy it is going to be dhoni/kapil but for vision, culture and leadership it was Ganguly and you have to live through the mid 90s era to early 2000s to know the context and stats won't do justice to it.
Ganguly taught us how to fight, whereas dhoni taught us how to win, Ganguly changed the mentality of indian cricket and under dhoni fitness and fielding was the top most priority.
He rewrote Indian test history by ensuring India ranked 7 after his sudden retirement from tests mid-way thru an ongoing series for fear of becoming the captain with highest no. of test match losses in Indian history.
Kohli is India's best Test captain. Period. Straightaway took the test side from number 7 to number 1. Odis and t20s, won loss records say he was the better than anyone before him for India. But, how much is that bc of Indian cricket become stronger and stronger.
If it comes to making Indian cricket what it is today, no one comes close to Ganguly. He's the greates hands down. If we talk of strategic captain who helped win trophies, it's Dhoni. And if it comes to shouldering the responsibility of the entire team like a giant, it's Rohit. I know some people will come bickering about Kohli. Sorry guys. Kohli is an uncomparable legend in his own right and probably transformed Indian cricket in many ways possible. But he's not a great captain. Just like Sachin is the God of cricket but he wasnt a good captain, Kohli might be a damn great legend of cricket, but not so being a captain.
It's a shame that people have forgotten MAK Pataudi. The greatest captain India has produced. Gave the Indian team belief and a sense of identity. Again as usual, it's indicative of how shallow Indian fans are that they can't think beyond Dhoni or Kohli at all.
Best captain India never had was Ajay Jadeja. Ruined his career in Match fixing. Whenever he deputised or captained in ODIs in place of Azhar - he was brilliant and imaginative. He would have got the captaincy instead of Ganguly had he not been involved in match fixing.
For me grew up watching Kohli revolutionize the indian test team, its hard to pick anyone but him. But I fully understand why ganguly is picked ahead of everyone else. I cannot fathom any answer other than Ganguly though. Dhoni was one of the worst red ball captains I've ever seen. Fantastic in white ball though.
I thought Kohli was a terrible captain. He chased the ball more than any other captain I have ever seen. Fielders would move to where the chances had been missed. Dhoni was way better. Dhoni had a better demeanor and was far better at setting the field. I can't talk about previous captains. Rohit is a step above Kohli as well. Kohli is a fantastic batsman
People just forget what was the state of test cricket in India before Kohli took over. India was ranked 7th - The current srilnkan rank...India was a team which lost every single away matches and even lost the last home Test series vs England. It was the fitness culture created by Kohli which boosted India in Test to win 5 Test maces...
@@RC-ym5cm who cares for other icc tournaments other than world cups ! India has 4 WC and 2 of them won by Dhoni , great leader with calm and cool head.
@@sardargabbarsingh6422 Kapil dev 1 in 2 tournaments 50 percent....Rohit Sharma 1 in 3, 33 percent......Ganguly 1 in 4, 25 percent........So its not that great for Dhoni, considering he was not that great captain in Tests.....Azhar too won a lot of tri-nation and quadrangular tournaments in 90s which were very important in the 90s.....more importantly, India started as favourites in most of the tournaments out of those 10, which was certainly not the case with Kapil and Ganguly.........Also it was hard to win ICC tournaments before with one happening every 4 years, nowadays its every year, much easier to win, add to that BCCI money and bigger pool of players to work with......
Completely disagree with there point about Kohli. With Kohli as captain was the first time Indian's beleived they can take all 20 wickets of opposition overseas. Thats saying something
It’s so surprising that people from a foreign country can see that Ganguly was the best leader but people from my own country cannot see beyond Kohli or Dhoni
Becoz he didn't contribute on those win one said by Mohinder Amarnath in dd national fourth umpire.his 5 wins come against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh outside Ind
A lot of other foreign country people don't believe so as well. It's an opinion, and they differ from person to person.
For me -Ganguly 😍
So if some foreigner said Ganguly, it has to be Ganguly?
@@drnamankhatri No....its an opinion from a well recognized cricket expert......not a social media obsessed media who doesnt know nuances and get swayed by current success...
For anyone who has seen Indian cricket in the 90s it will be Ganguly
Becoz he didn't contribute on those win one said by Mohinder Amarnath in dd national fourth umpire.his 5 wins come against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh outside Ind
Ganguly captained mostly in early 2000s
Ganguly was a great leader.. perhaps the greatest after Kapil but he was not tactically that good.. he kept loosing finals, even in bilaterals.. only win from his captaincy was NatWest final, that too we would have lost if not for the brilliance of Kaif and Yuvi.. Dhoni was tactically the best.. he knew how to use his resources..
@@ChatPOPPAT he kept losing because he played all of them against Australia and SriLanka who were far superior.....Dhoni did not win in underdog situations, be it test or ODIs or T20s........Dhoni has the edge in t20Is because Ganguly, Kapil and the others didnt play t20is............
@@RC-ym5cm bhains ke aage been mat baja bhai ye dhoni ke bhakt rehte hai. Inko Cricket ke international team kaise chalti hai na uski samajh hoti hai na baki kisi cheez ki. Team India me 2007 ke IPL ke Baad jab paisa aana shuru hua BCCI ke paas tab duniya ki best resources aayi jo Australia wagera ke paas early 2000s se thi. World ke best Data analyst world ke best game ke readers jo guide karte hai coach aur captain ko strategy banane ke liye aur wo gadha bol raha hai Yuvi aur kaif ne jitaya to 2011 me bhi Yuvi hi Australia ke Saamne QF match nikala tha jisme dhoni point me maar ke chal diya tha. 2007 ke knockout me Eng ke samne 12 pe 50 nahi maarta to 2007 me bhi bahar ho jate finals me bhi gambhir dhoni ke jaise wicket phek ke chale jata to dhoni ke hath me bhi kya aata tambura?
The most important aspect of Ganguly's leadership was that he gained back the respect of Indian cricket which had completely lost due to the match-fixing scandal of the 90s. When the news broke that Azhar, who was such a stylish and beloved cricketer during the 90s was involved the entire cricket landscape had plummeted in the eyes of the common spectator. Sourav brought back the honesty and integrity of the team.
There is a reason why people say dada..captaincy or leadership is needed when ur down n out..people who have lived through the 90s know why Ganguly is the greatest…he picked us up when we were dead..that’s the greatest trait of leadership..no success would have happened if that era of 2000-05 wouldn’t have happened
Not really .2000s generation was way better cricketers than previous ones
@@VARMOT123 Had a pretty unbalanced squad....about 15 keepers were played between 1999 WC and 2007 WC...fast bowlers were injury prone.......opening batsmen in tests were coming and going...
As a person who followed Indian cricket from 1998, I feel Ganguly is the greatest Indian captain ever. He built the team, he built the attitude of the team. He took the team out of shadow of match fixing scandal and brought trust back on Indian team.
Saurav Ganguly - played hard, is a gentleman, made indian cricket fearless, backed young players like yuvraj, kaif, etc, managed stars and gained respect of likes of sachin, dravid, kumble, managed his pacers much better than what sachin did to srinath and prasad in the south africa tour and most importantly, revived the faith of indian fans after the matchfixing saga involving Azhar and Jadeja.
Saurav built a foundation on which every captain who came after him took it to the next level.
After the flash in the pan with Kapil's Devils, in the 80s, Indian cricket went through its worst stagnant phase with the doctored pitches by Wadekar coach and Azhar matchfixer-captain where indian batsmen never knew how to play pace and indian pacers were ineffective while india underperformed outside subcontinent. Ganguly broke those shackles that were tying the indian cricket down
Can you please elaborate on the doctored pitches. Or refer some sources?
@@sukhbirsingh8053 can you google it detective. thx
People lack context. In 1990’s India was the hub of match fixing. From BCCI officials to captain to players. When Ganguly came, forget that India was a poor team in terms of performance, the whole establishment was corrupt. That is when he started his cleanup job, made the team competitive, and started winning overseas, even winning a CT in 2002. The turnaround itself is nothing less than a miracle. Hardly any team has made such a turnaround from being corrupt and incompetent to become world beaters. The comments saying “Kohli” here stink of ignorance.
Dhoni would be the close 2nd because winning 3 finals in no mean feat, but his test records are poor.
Red Ball : Ganguly
White Ball : Dhoni
The legacy Kohli left behind was of fitness and his fondness of fast bowling especially in tests. That test match I want to say Oval where he said let's give them hell for 60 overs....rousing speech but only possible because bowlers were fit enough to clock 80-85mph on the 5th day in the final session. Dhoni was pragmatic and went with what he got...Kohli demanded excellence in at least fitness and the team was definitely better for it
Ironically Ganguly, Tendulkar and most Indian fans all hated on Greg Chappell when he tried to implement better fielding and fitness standards in the indian team as head coach, much like Kohli has done
@@iamhugeandsquareBecause the main players in 2000s was not known for fitness. So they tried to block that initiative...
But in Kohli's era, Kohli was the key player and he himself was supremely fit. So he was able to execute his initiatives.
@@iamhugeandsquare I mean you can't top dog Sachin or dada. The scenarios were totally different. Chappel got a very settled team from Wright, it had a mix of youth and stalwarts and both these sets needed a different approach. With Kohli taking over as test captain...he was the top dog..he got a young team which was easy to mold as per his vision
Kohli demanded those standards from his bowlers. And pushed them and pulled them towards excellence by leading from the front. It was very clear post the 2011 WC win, that Dhoni didn’t really enjoy captaining in red ball. Dhoni given his powers could have laid down the same standards but he did not
@@saurabhb1041 exactly, but when Chappell demanded those same standards to Ganguly and Tendulkar they spit the dummy and got him sacked, thats way Ganguly could never be india's best captain
Pleased to hear Wadekar's name in the discussion. He beat England and WI away, in the same year. That's right up there in terms of achievements!
2:00 it wasn't changing Ganguly changed it. When he took the captaincy India was going through the worst phase. Mohammad Azharuddin Cheated on the Nation and purposely trying to lose. So many players were thrown out of the team, banned, people were on the streets burning everything. India was 8th on the ranking and then Ganguly took control and he was the one who changed Indian cricket and cricketers mentally and physically for good. Bade kaptaan apna Naam banaye records banaye lekin Dada ne team banayi players banaye❤
Surprising that Kapil Dev did not come up in this discussion. Charismatic and with a never say die attitude. India exceeded expectations under his leadership.
Ask anyone outside India about the best captain of India, 99% says its Ganguly. But in India hardly anyone acknowledged it. Naser Hussain, Steve Waugh everybody said it.
Its the lock down kids. Any one who were born on of before 90s know Ganguly is the best.
@@rajakr2096 absolutely
@@rajakr2096 true
Remember Anil Kumble's captaincy in Ind vs Aus 2007 series, he was marvelous as in the limited period he got the India's test captaincy.
Probably ganguly
Its Ganguly, just look at how India got steamrolled in 1999 in Aus before Ganguly took over. Also the timing when he took the captaincy when players like Azhar, Jadeja were caught of match fixing. Ganguly searched & found talent, the team that Dhoni led was built by Ganguly. Sehwag, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan, Gambhir, Dhoni him self brought into the Indian team by Ganguly. And the most recent decision as BCCI president, He took captaincy from Kohli & made Rohit the captain and the result is there for everyone to see. India finally won a worldcup.
Anyone who knows the history of Indian cricket will understand that the two captains most responsible for the biggest cultural shift in Indian cricket were Nawab of Pataudi and Saurav Ganguly. Dhoni and Kohli wouldn't have been able to achieve anything without the shift in mentality that Pataudi and Ganguly engineered.
Easy to say that when there’s no way to disprove that.
It depends on how you see greatness. For me it was always , a captain is great who can build match winners.
Under Ganguly most of match winners were created. Yuvi, Bhajji, Kaif, Raina etc.
Under Dhoni there arent match winners, but players who shined in a particular moment.
Kohli recognised the hole in Indian bowling and has pretty much fixed it up. But its batters who are lackluster.
Remember Ind was able to produce Yuvraj, coz after initial success, he was given a really long rope. That made Yuvi a player who would win you series/tournaments, not just some moments or few matches.
@@dashmeetsingh9679 Did you know Kohli played under Dhoni in the early part of his career? Did you forget about Pujara, Ashwin and Jadeja? Shami and Ishant started around Dhoni's under him and were persisted with and peaked later.
@@sanjeevopeth Dude, if you wanna compare, please check how many similar players, "debuted" and "peaked" under Ganguly and Kohli as well.
Its well known fact that Ganguly had put his career on the line multiple times for multiple players.
Kohli and to some extent Dhoni they were assisted by IPL as well.
Go back and check your comment. You said there were no match winners during Dhoni's time only few who shined during certain moments which is not true. Ganguly inherited Tendulkar, Laxman, Dravid, Harbhajan, Kumble, Srinath, Agarkar. The one's he can take credit for is Yuvraj, Raina, Zaheer Khan amongst the big names. Ganguly himself blocked Yuvraj from a potential test place. If you think Kohli, Pujara, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami and Bumrah are not match winners then you probably don't understand cricket 'Dude'. Ganguly rightfully takes credit for giving us the balls to stand up in world cricket but you can't say others didn't do anything afterwards. Dhoni, Kohli and Rohit have all taken the game forward to win for India which Ganguly couldn't finish.
Dada the Prince of Kolkata, gave proper mindset to his team, each one from that Indian team is an ace now.
Dhoni was a fantastic limited overs captain and an excellent captain to spinners in Test cricket. But during his time, India struggled overseas. Dhoni was a spinner's captain. Kohli is the best Test captain after Ganguly. He supported pace bowlers. He along with Ravi Shastri changed how India handled pace bowling. Kohli and Shastri brought pace bowlers to the front especially in Test cricket in India and abroad. Kohli is a great Test captain
NOT REALLY DHONI IS LITERALLY WORST CAPTAINS EVER IN T20, ONLY IN ODI HE WAS GREAT AND BEST WICKET KEEPER.
FOR INDIA KOHLI BEST TEST CAPTAIN, DHONI BEST ODI CAPTAIN AND ROHIT SHARMA IS GENIUS HE IS BEST T20 CAPTAIN
@@Fe-ironman turn the capslock off.
Good captain add to players skill. Like elevated 10 level suddenly. Dhoni had that aura that uplifted whole team. India will never have another dhoni. Others are just ok. Captaining india is whole 100 level different that captaining england or australia. I mean 11 player came from different zone , different caste , different support base.
Everyone watching every move of yours. If you ignore or bad mouth a player , you are annoying and irritating millions of people who support that players. Dhoni handled this issue very cleanly. Dhoni made only a mistake with sehwag by not letting sehwag go on high. Otherwise he had clean slate which downright impossible.
There is groupism and castism in the indian team leadership. That mean new players wont get treated fairly if they are coming form smaller state.
If you are a player who are victim of bullying and abuse , you will never say a word. BCCI will cut off the pension for the players. Even if you go privately , it will get ignored.
Because Indian team is a business. Any negative press is very bad unless it is done by many many players and someone filmed it. You need evidence and publish it via third party. if you are player and publish it , you will end up like azharuddin.
BCCI is vengeful. They act like hive mind. Once they say you are out , you are out. it take whole of india support to make BCCI to back off. Sreesanth case is another. Whole state of kerala pushed to make sreesanth bad record erased.
Anyways captain job india is a curse. Most will fell on to the hellish job. I mean everyone wanted the job for money and pride but do not have ability to deal with humans. Great player should never be captain.
Western concept of leadership is flawed. Most people think captain job is how you handle in field. Sure western concept , every thing is compartmentalised. You still see root , kevin williamson and kevin pieterson failed.
Because you need a leader as captain. Leader of men. You have to understand people insecurities and provide them safe zone. Free their mind when they play.
I agree
If people remeber 2003 Australia tour series, they will know that how Ganguly and his team fought and performed that greatest Australia team because of his leadership
It’s 2001 Series 😂😂
@@suck06257: It's both the 2001 & 2003-04 series. We won the former at home & drew the latter in Australia. We retained the BG trophy as a result.
Not to discount that series but Mcgrath absence in Austrlia was massive like it was in the 2005 ashes
Kimber is wrong here. Dhoni was not great tactically which is why India lost 4-0 in england and australia under him. India was struggling in test cricket and kohli revived the indian bowling line up. Yes dhoni is great in Odis and t20s on turning tracks but it was kohli who revived indian fast bowling and that is why we won two back to back test series in australia. We had bowlers who could take 20 wkts which was never the case under dhoni. He didnt really care about test cricket and retired in 2015 only to play ipl for next 10 years. Having said that Dada was the best captain because he inherited a bad team which lost test series against south africa at home 2-0 and at that point India had also lost azhar and jadeja due to match fixing. Ganguly introduced new talent and built that team from scratch. Dhoni and kohli inherited good teams
It is between Dhoni and Ganguly for me. And probably Dhoni would be slight favourite because of his tactical edge as well as the big tournaments he has won . People talk about his overseas losses in test ...but Initially he had some historic test series win, in New Zealand we won, we drew a series in SA in 2010 under him in which we dominated.
You must remember how Sourav Ganguly became captain in the first place, we lost Azharuddin, Jadeja and Nayan Mongia together, Sachin didn't want to be captain.
But Gantuly had the services Dravid, Yuvraj, Zaheer etc. Dravid and Yuvraj are way better players than Azhar and Jadeja! So losing those players did not affect much. In fact getting rid of Azhar helped win more games since match fixing stopped!
@@rakshithvenkatesh4625 it was a gamble that worked big time.
@@asiahgas5812: Choosing those players wasn't a gamble at all, Dada was a visionary. The same players chosen by Dada gave us 2002 CT, 2007 T20 WC & 2011 WC apart from reaching 2000 CT & 2003 WC finals.
Difficult one I would say Ganguly helped change the mindset but Kholi helped change their approach and methodology, I would say slight edge on Ganguly, btw I support Pakistan.
HOW DID KOHLI EVEN CHANGE ANYTHING?? I THINK HE HELPED CHANGED FITNESS CULTURE BUT THERE WERE MANY FIT PLAYERS EARLIER TOO LIKE MOHAMMAD KAIF PROBABLY HE WAS MORE FIT THAN KOHLI HIMSELF
Ganguly is the one who revolutionised Indian cricket. He introduced aggressive and attacking approach. Best Indian captain ever .
Kapil, Sourav & Dhoni.. The first two established identities & character of their teams when India was not amongst the best sides while Dhoni brought a winning habit & swagger to the team.
I have to say Kapil Dev. He was Mr. India for me. A great force that united India and offcourse the success of the 1983 World Cup. That knock vs zimbabwe to date is one of the best of all.time
What a great discussion? I agree with you that Ganguly is the greatest captain. Ganguly, as the captain of the Indian team, had his hands full with challenges. One a team that was completely shattered with the betting scandal. Then Ganguly had his challenges with the board where he had to prove himself and the teams worth. I remember everyone writing him off saying that he didn't deserve a second chance since he couldn't score runs. Many would have walked away from the situation, but dada stood up and proved to everyone what he could do. Ganguly will forever be the greatest captain of India, and he is still working for cricket behind the scenes. God Bless you Dada. 😊😊😊
I was so fond of Ganguly that I literally stopped watching international cricket(except WC) for 8 years after Dada retired
Ganguly for me. Nobody comes close.
As ganguly once said , “a captain is as good as the players he leads” .. players like sehwag, zaheer, harbhajan were nit the stalwarts during ganguly era. Ganguly made them believe their true worth. Don’t forget the Zaheer khan who went for 4 runs per over in 2011 WC went for 10 run per over in 2003 WC final. So saying Ganguly wasn’t tactical is hell of an understatement. Selecting players like Harbhajan, yuvi , dhoni to be put in the starting 11 is a sign of utmost tactical knowledge
Ganguly, no question at all, only a true cricket Indian fan will recognize, Ganguly was the one who lit brought fast swing attacking bowling while all the captains after him benifitted coz of ipl. Irfan pathan and Dhoni was picked by Ganguly while selectors didn't even considered them.
Every Indian captain worked hard for the betterment of the team,
But the ICC Trophies are won by ROHIT, MSD & KAPIL so these three guys would be rated as the three greatest ever ❤🇮🇳
Gangly to Dhoni to Kohli was a beautiful evolution, with each leading to the next. I gave up trying to rank them, each took us on a level ❤
You Miss Rohit Sharma
Sourav was the best along side Sachin. He would've got more centuries in test and his average would've been higher had he batted at the top order. He scarified his own batting to give others more chance.
No disrespect to others who have all left their impact on Indian cricket, but for me its not even a debate.Don Dhoni the Legend
If Dhoni was so good why he has an abysmal record in tests in SENA countries??
cause ganguly agave dhoni the best team .
You mean the same "legendary" captain who retired mid way thru an ongoing series for fear of becoming the captain with the highest number of test match losses in Indian cricket history?
Awesome one and only Dada
The Champions Trophy, WTC and maybe the 2027 World Cup all await us
If Rohit wins them all or even 2 of these, then he will go on as the most successful Indian captain and one of the all time greatest!
I don't see any path breaking-ness in his captaincy. He may be successful, but doesn't stand out in the midst of the likes of Dhoni, Saurav, Kohli etc
Rohit already has a legacy as a T20 captain.
But his ODI and Test captaincy legacy wont be great.
He lost ODI WC. So Dhoni will always be better.
He doesn't seem to be winning in Test as dominantly as Kohli, also he doesn't have a long test captaincy career. So he wont be as great as Kohli in Test captaincy...
So overall Rohit though will be considered a great T20 captain, his Test and ODI captaincy legacy won't be that great as Kohli or Dhoni respectively...
@@1239-p1k. Rohit if doesn't have fitness issue will captain tilll odi wc. Shubham gill is vc. Bcci told he will be captain after 2027 odi wc. 2 wtc, 1 ct, 1 odi wc. Rohit will captain India in 30 tests plus till 27.He can win 20 more. So totaly he can win 30+ test as captain. He has already captained 47 odis. Till 2027 he will be captianing 100 odis... Which is more than kohli who captianed 95 odis. Rohit has highest win percentage as odi cap. If he wins 2027 odi wc. He would have lost probably 2023 wc final as the only match lost in wc career as captian. He would surely be the greatest
Ganguly... Hands down. Dhoni was graced with a great team, which helps his stat look good. Ganguly was stuck some leftovers from the 90s and some new kids from the 2000s. Dhoni, Kohli do not even come close.
Ganguly laid foundation for Rise of indian dominance
Where are the full episodes??
I mean where is the entire podcast?
This is it
Ganguly won the greatest test series of all time, against the greatest team of all time-that alone makes him the best ever.
You guys hit the complete nail on Virat kohli He would be playing a hard gritty test match and he would think why u can’t hit Mitchel starc over his head for 4 why don’t you want to win more why are u not better all this questions played on his mind He always is thinking why anyone is not as good as him and lets be honest for a year or 2 he found those players who thought like him but what he got wrong in his captaincy was that not everyone is as good as him not everyone is an elite player
I appreciate that Ganguly's name was said first but did not like how Kohli's era was portrayed. Guys like Pujara and Rahane did excel under him, personalities you say would not work with virat
Good research to remember MAK Pataudi, Wadekar. For obvious reasons, Ganguly. Hoever, no mention of Kapil Dev, without whom the transformation of Indian cricket and this discussion wouldnt have taken place.
Had McGrath and warne were part of the Aus team in 03-04 series result would have been very different.
Had misbah didn't mishit his shot then world cup 2007 result would be different. We can do lot of "different" result scenarios 😂
Yes but they weren't part of the team when dhoni led india and he lost 4-0
During Ganguly’s captaincy, Australia had the best team ever, South Africa were amazing, Sri Lanka and Pakistan were good teams. Today’s cricket there is nobody who dominates.
Dada .... No other anawer evenif I am Sachin fan and Sachin is GOD of Cricket. period
Ganguly gave the belief, MS gave trophies, Virat made the opponents stand up and take notice of the ruthlessness an Indian team can have in foreign conditions...All our greats and Rohit is brilliantly taking on the legacy...
Wadekar and Kapil gave the belief, Azhar brought the interest, Ganguly brought the renaissance, Dravid and Kumble showed leadership, Dhoni brought winning luck and composure, Kohli made us tests greats, Rohit brought the strategy and tactics...
Yes, Sourav Ganguly is definitely the best Indian Men's cricket captain by a mile. Scrap the statistics. It is the attitude of Indian Players that he was successful in change which still exists now in 2024
It's Kohli for me. He had a vision of fitness and five bowlers, and executed it to perfection.
Ganguly played with more focus against smaller teams in later stages of his career to improve his stats. 3 hundreds against smaller teams in WC. Nobody questions why he scored against them but why he didn't batted with same class against bigger teams. A test hundred in Zimbabwe in 2005 when Zimbabwe lost test status. He never rested against Zim or Bangladesh series like Dhoni, Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli. That improved his batting as well as captaincy record.
what a load of bull. see his batting when he wasn't a captain. Captaincy took away from his batting. Dhoni doesnt have a test century outside the subcontinent.
@@redroish Kohli has. He is best test captain India has ever produced. No debate should be over this. A captain with below par batting can't be exemplary. Test avg of 37 as a captain while playing only as a batsman is below average performance.
@@a_s1829 Who played only as a batsman? Ganguly? Dont you know he bowled? Ganguly, when not captain averaged 46 and 42 while being one. The ferocity with which you are saying there should be no debate about VK convinces me you haven't watched cricket in the 90s and early 2000s. So, be humble and listen.
Kohli was smart enough to build a battery of fast bowlers who could win him game overseas. I will give him that. But his greatest triumph was when Aus was without Smith and Werner, a very very poor Australian side. And Jinks captained the second away series win. Kohli cant lace MSD or Ganguly's boots when it comes to a tactical understanding of the game.
@@redroish Come on Ganguly was a part time bowler. Virat has won 40 test matches. Among top 5 captains in all time list. You may have your opinion. But Ganguly was never a captain in 90's BTW i have been watching cricket since 1996 Cricket world Cup
@@a_s1829: What? Since 96 WC? Doesn't look like it honestly 😂 Can't you notice & compare the strength & quality of the oppositions during Ganguly's & kohli's eras? Changes in rules & playing conditions? Ganguly had to face every prime team unlike Kohli who plays against chomu teams today 😂 Had Ganguly's team played in today's era, they would've been #1 in all formats of the game & brought in all the trophies 😅
What energy, What proactiveness. Dhoni was the most passive India captain in atleast 25 years, his supporters would even call him captain kool. Did nothing for the team.. always came in last 2 overs to get the credit for winning
For every 90s it would always be Ganguly..
Kapil, Ganguly, Dhoni, Kohli, Rohit
5 of India's Greatest captains.
Not kohli
You Miss Rahul Dravid
Kapil, Dhoni, Rohit won world cups. Ganguly won championship trophy and WC finalist. Kohli did not win single icc trophy and India got knocked out at initial stage in T20 WC
Icc knockout 2000 final icc champions trophy 2002 icc world cup final. Winning against aus 2001 with that aus team with what he got. Great strategian bt used captaincy to sometimes to his personal advantage which ultimately led to his downfall( shielding from short pitched bowling after vaas exposed him in sharjah 2001 as he was captain he would come down to batting or ignore until 2006 to work on it.)
Totally agree with Jared that Captaincy is a different role and a less skilled Batter/Bowler can still be a better captain
Dhoni got the best team like Ponting but Ganguly created the best team like Waugh did and handed it over for the future generations
Dhoni was a whiteball captain ...he just carried forward dada's test team under transition..period ! People who say dhoni have not seen ganguly captain india
Under Dada India never became the #1 test side. Sure the top players were still the same for the most part but having high emphasis on all rounders was his doing. He introduced Ashwin and Jadeja to the test, while they were believed to be only T20i players. He also moved Irfan Pathan up the batting order, while the previous ones didn't try it.
@@pjay450: The reason for India not becoming #1 test side during Ganguly's time was because of prime Australia. Ganguly made us #2/3 from #8 in tests & ODIs within 5.5 yrs after getting a bad team post match fixing scandals in 2000 from where transition phase started. In his era, every team was strong & competitive be it SA, Srilanka, England, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Pakistan, New Zealand, West Indies with Australia being the baap of all teams. He didn't play against chomu teams like today. Blindly looking at the stats won't help if you don't look into them with context.
As they say - "a captain is only as good as his team"
or
let me rephrase that -
"in cricket. a captain is only as good as his bowling line-up"
Just imagine if Ganguly had Bumrah and Shami in his team and vice-versa if Kohli had Agarkar and Nehra in his team. If that were the case then I believe their records as "TEST Captain" would paint a very different picture.
Too defensive though. The quality of Indian cricket needs a more pro active captain and better tactician
@@averma12: You need to gain some cricket knowledge if you think Dada was a defensive captain! If any captain was defensive, it was the one & only Dhoni. Just look at his test record, that itself will suffice.
Dhoni World Test Match number one, undefeated in Test cricket for three years, Champions Trophy winner, World T20 winner 50 over World Cup winner. Dhoni is one two three. Only negative on Dhoni is that in the later stages he didn't take test cricket as seriously and India had a poor record in his last couple of years.
Ganguly and Kohli debate?
Imagine if Ganguly had bowlers like Jaspreet Bumrah, Shami , Siraj.
And imagine Kohli with bowlers like David, Debashish, Agarkar, Avishkar Salvi, etc
Noel David or David Johnson?
And imagine Kohli with batsmen like Sachin, dravid, vvs, Sehwag
Ganguly❤
Kohli :
Greatest Test captain ever for India.
Probably the Greatest Test captain of all time.
The fitness culture which he created resulted in India generating a lot of fast bowlers in Test arena...
40 wins in 67 Tests as captain.
Away wins in Eng/Aus.
And most importantly winning each and every home series.
Dhoni/Kapil:
Greatest ODI Captain.
Winning ODI WC is no mere achievement.
Rohit :
Greatest T20 captain.
greatest test captain of all time , idk about that one xD
SR Waugh won one more test in 11 less games, had statistically the overall highest win percentage, was the first captain to win 16 test matches in a row.
The fundamental difference is Kohli was mighty at home on Indian pitches with the highest win percentage of 77%. However, this was only 1.5% better than Waugh, while his away record was 43.2% which is a difference of 25% to Waugh's away record of 67.9%
Waugh is the only long term Test Cricket captain to have a win percentage above 50% and his away record at 68% is more than 20% better than any other non Australian captain.
Celebrate Kohli for all his glory and the way he transformed your team, but do not ascribe GOAT status because he implemented a fitness regime every other team implemented 20 years ago or because he won tests in England or Australia.
The only player to challenge Waugh as best ever Test Cricket captain is Bradman, and that is largely because if you ever created an all time XI Test team he is the only player to be guaranteed a position
if it was for stats/trophy it is going to be dhoni/kapil but for vision, culture and leadership it was Ganguly and you have to live through the mid 90s era to early 2000s to know the context and stats won't do justice to it.
LoL of all time ? Hahahahaha 🤣 Steve Waugh , ponting clive Lloyd are laughing at your comment
Ganguly taught us how to fight, whereas dhoni taught us how to win, Ganguly changed the mentality of indian cricket and under dhoni fitness and fielding was the top most priority.
DADAGIRI FOREVER
Dravid was, is and has always been the best captain. Lot of Youngsters jumped in to the squad and team learnt how to be resilient and good at chasing.
Pataudi , Kapil Dev , Ganguly , Rohit Sharma are the best Indian captains
Ganguly without a doubt
Ganguly was Indias Allan Border. Enough said.
Thank you! I always thought the same.
Ganguly, Dhoni, Wadekar, Kohli, Tiger Pataudi in no particular order
Ganguly
Don't think anyone can disagree on any point in this video.
Ganguly created modern day cricket team
Ganguly started all this ❤
Dhoni being a proactive test captain is the definition of rewriting history
He rewrote Indian test history by ensuring India ranked 7 after his sudden retirement from tests mid-way thru an ongoing series for fear of becoming the captain with highest no. of test match losses in Indian history.
I think all three have a claim to the title:
Kapil Dev, Sourav Ganguly, MS Dhoni
I will say Ganguly is the greatest Indian cricket team leader & captain.
20 years old kids claiming to have the cricket knowledge in the comments section is astounding
Sourav Ganguly changed Indian cricket
Not any other captain ❤️❤️
Kohli is India's best Test captain. Period.
Straightaway took the test side from number 7 to number 1.
Odis and t20s, won loss records say he was the better than anyone before him for India. But, how much is that bc of Indian cricket become stronger and stronger.
Ganguly ate 100's of Dhonis, Sharmas and Kohlis.
If it comes to making Indian cricket what it is today, no one comes close to Ganguly. He's the greates hands down.
If we talk of strategic captain who helped win trophies, it's Dhoni.
And if it comes to shouldering the responsibility of the entire team like a giant, it's Rohit.
I know some people will come bickering about Kohli.
Sorry guys. Kohli is an uncomparable legend in his own right and probably transformed Indian cricket in many ways possible. But he's not a great captain.
Just like Sachin is the God of cricket but he wasnt a good captain, Kohli might be a damn great legend of cricket, but not so being a captain.
Huh? A top 5 test captain of all time wasn't a great captain? Are you out of your head?
llyod is absolutely correct
It's a shame that people have forgotten MAK Pataudi. The greatest captain India has produced. Gave the Indian team belief and a sense of identity.
Again as usual, it's indicative of how shallow Indian fans are that they can't think beyond Dhoni or Kohli at all.
He was an elitist naaaab. He was very over rated
@@mayankdewli1010 Fantastic sense of humour pal
Ganguly and Dhoni for different reasons.. by far the best captains
Ganguly indeed!
Best captain India never had was Ajay Jadeja. Ruined his career in Match fixing. Whenever he deputised or captained in ODIs in place of Azhar - he was brilliant and imaginative. He would have got the captaincy instead of Ganguly had he not been involved in match fixing.
Kholi created a fitness and beard culture in team
Lol 😂
There can't be any monument without "BASE". Specially after match fixing scandal
Test : Kohli
ODI : Dhoni
T20 : Rohit
For me grew up watching Kohli revolutionize the indian test team, its hard to pick anyone but him. But I fully understand why ganguly is picked ahead of everyone else. I cannot fathom any answer other than Ganguly though. Dhoni was one of the worst red ball captains I've ever seen. Fantastic in white ball though.
I thought Kohli was a terrible captain. He chased the ball more than any other captain I have ever seen. Fielders would move to where the chances had been missed. Dhoni was way better. Dhoni had a better demeanor and was far better at setting the field. I can't talk about previous captains. Rohit is a step above Kohli as well. Kohli is a fantastic batsman
People just forget what was the state of test cricket in India before Kohli took over.
India was ranked 7th - The current srilnkan rank...India was a team which lost every single away matches and even lost the last home Test series vs England.
It was the fitness culture created by Kohli which boosted India in Test to win 5 Test maces...
India were ranked 7th in test cricket when he took over
How much of this overlaps with me timeline where our best bowlers came in? Answer is the entire thing. @@1239-p1k
Yup that's why we lost 4-0 in eng and aus under him. Dhoni was a horrible captain. Only effective on rank turners
Dhoni is greatest captain of India who won 2 world cups .
Saurav Ganguly close 2nd for toughening next generation .
Won 3 ICC tournaments out of 10, not a great ratio......considering India started as favourites in at least 6-7 of them.......
@@RC-ym5cm who cares for other icc tournaments other than world cups !
India has 4 WC and 2 of them won by Dhoni , great leader with calm and cool head.
@@Royalbob123 The ICC tournaments I mentioned are mostly WCs
@@RC-ym5cm Now take out Dhoni and calculate India's ratio in ICC tournaments
@@sardargabbarsingh6422 Kapil dev 1 in 2 tournaments 50 percent....Rohit Sharma 1 in 3, 33 percent......Ganguly 1 in 4, 25 percent........So its not that great for Dhoni, considering he was not that great captain in Tests.....Azhar too won a lot of tri-nation and quadrangular tournaments in 90s which were very important in the 90s.....more importantly, India started as favourites in most of the tournaments out of those 10, which was certainly not the case with Kapil and Ganguly.........Also it was hard to win ICC tournaments before with one happening every 4 years, nowadays its every year, much easier to win, add to that BCCI money and bigger pool of players to work with......
Completely disagree with there point about Kohli. With Kohli as captain was the first time Indian's beleived they can take all 20 wickets of opposition overseas. Thats saying something
Bro how old are you?
I feel Dhoni's captaincy is overrated by media
Where’s Harmison? 🎉
Ganguly!
Dada.
Great Captain Saurav Ganguly ❤🎉