Great vid. I am doing a complete restoration of a 1977 Alden 44, #001. I have re-cord the decks, replaced a bulkhead and started prepping the hull for paint. I need to re-do all the mechanicals next. The boat is located on the western end of Lake Superior in America. It is scary cold there in the winter so my work has been limited to summer months, mostly working weekends and holiday time. One thing that I cannot stress enough on restoring a boat is the amount of time it takes. It never seems to end. You have to devote every spare minute to the boat or you will never go in the water. I have come to the conclusion that you like building boats or you like sailing them. Not both. If you live in an area with weather extremes you need a climate controlled building to do the work. I will probably save over $100,000 doing the work myself instead of hiring the marina. In hindsight, I would have not purchased a boat that had one foot in the grave, I would have waited to find a boat that needed less work. I would never do this again, but I am grateful for the experience. I you want to save money, have a lot of patience(and time), are mechanically inclined then fixing a boat could be worth it. You just really need to understand what you are getting yourself into.
Hi Tim! Thanks for commenting, seems like an awesome job you have on! Keep us posted, if you use Instagram tag us, I’d love to see your progress! So, I (Chris) am a boatbuilder… I completely agree that it takes an absolute age to fix boats but I’d you love it, it’s truly amazing! Seems like you have the right idea. For me it’s not about saving money, it’s about the entire experience. We love it! However…. I’f I were in Andy’s position I’m not sure I would do it, super experienced chap but so much to learn I’m a short period can add quite a bit of stress - still he seems ok about this - legend!
Sounds like a really cool project right there! Quite the undertaking, “one foot in the grave”! I think you have a hood overview of a restoration there mind you a lot of it sounds like your weather window isn’t helping. I would suggest you can be happy sailing and building but you then need to compromise. Fingers crossed we can manage this in our own build that we are starting. Otherwise our boats not going to be the only thing with one foot in the grave!
Would love to know what happened to the TH-cam channel that Andy started with Adam. Used to be called the Admiralty and now called the midshipman Lovely Chanel that just stopped posting
Well done ❤, i got a 27 ft. Daysailer for almost free. 150€. Now after 3 years in the final stage at a round 22000 €. So what i good not do, new rigging,sails , dodger etc. Took a lot of money as were insurance, fees for berth . . Each meter in lenght of the boat can double your costs. But if you are in the water and sailing after 3 years you have a big smile on your face.
I own a Jeanneau 439 and I am also a professional knife maker and furniture maker. I know how to do a lot of fabrication but I am not a plumber, electrician or mechanic. I hire people to do most of the work on my boat because its hard work. I also don't live on my boat and the bills are big but.... I spend my time sailing on my boat not working on it. My next boat will be aluminum. Fixing up a big boat like that in one season is an accomplishment even for a yard with talented staff.
For sure! He’s a real legend ay! Aluminium! - not sure if you’ve seen our last couple of videos but we’re just starting the build of an aluminium boat! 👍
100% and its not just about the time or ability, its also about the knowledge given how many moving parts that are on a boat that are critical to keep everyone safe.
Oh yeah! The lad did well. It worth noting that Andy fixed what needed to be fixed not what he wanted to fix. The same went for maintenance which is how he achieved it. He is also not afraid to ask and then research which helps. So he’s been sailing successfully all season and maintaining as he goes, the boat is a completely different boat than it was nearly 2 years back and he’s managed to keep out of the boat yards and live the sailing dream. Legend 👍
"you need to work like a dog" that was my experience of it as well. But same result, wound up with a boat that I wouldn't normally been able to afford.
Great interview. thought I saw all of Andy's work shows, I must have missed the one where he made a fool of himself. Totally enjoy your channel. Thanks
This is refreshing. A somewhat offensive guy on a different channel speaks against fixing up an older boat, a bit too much. Nice job! It also sounds wise to not buy one that will take more than a year.
Ahh. There’s nothing wrong with fixing up an old boat. Just don’t underestimate the work, most of us buy them to sail so let’s not forget to sail! 😆 It’s a super sport to be into, everyone wants to help so progress can be really good! Research is pretty easy too if you need it as there’s so much online, if you do get stuck though, drop us an email 👍👌
Yeah, but what did you spend getting the boat up? I mean it probably had a buy batteries and all sorts of equipment so what did you spend? You got the boat for 130 what’s your final number Intuit?
Hey Jack, check out Andy’s channel- he’s not into covering the truth up and there is a full cost breakdown on absolutely everything he has done including the overall costs. It’s fair to say he saved a fortune!
@@SailHubsaved a fortune? Six months if 12-14 hr days is equal to about 9-11 months of 8hr days (assuming only 5 days per week). Even at £35/hr that’s£55k…I d ok nt think he saved much at all AND he lost all that time.
@@stevenschapera2888 yet he now knows his boat inside out and exactly what quality of workmanship was done on it for peace of mind while at sea. You sound a little cynical sir.
Sure! He fixed it up grand! And yeah! He knows it inside and out. It did take a lot of time but then boats take time. You can put a price in your time if you want too but do you put a price on all of the time you enjoy? You really shouldn’t get into a restoration if it’s not something you are going to enjoy.
After all that time and money it’s still a Jeanneau. Thats like doing a concours restoration on a Ford instead of a Mercedes - you end up with something intrinsically valuable, capable, and durable. Cost is identical, maybe even less, as the initial build quality is better. Worth to throw cold water on this project….
At the same time, if your off to the Med like Andy you want a light boat that sails in light air with plenty of space inside and a massive cockpit with plenty of shade. That’s why there are so many of them! Makes sense to us if that’s his cruising plan for sure!
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Great vid. I am doing a complete restoration of a 1977 Alden 44, #001. I have re-cord the decks, replaced a bulkhead and started prepping the hull for paint. I need to re-do all the mechanicals next. The boat is located on the western end of Lake Superior in America. It is scary cold there in the winter so my work has been limited to summer months, mostly working weekends and holiday time. One thing that I cannot stress enough on restoring a boat is the amount of time it takes. It never seems to end. You have to devote every spare minute to the boat or you will never go in the water.
I have come to the conclusion that you like building boats or you like sailing them. Not both. If you live in an area with weather extremes you need a climate controlled building to do the work. I will probably save over $100,000 doing the work myself instead of hiring the marina. In hindsight, I would have not purchased a boat that had one foot in the grave, I would have waited to find a boat that needed less work. I would never do this again, but I am grateful for the experience. I you want to save money, have a lot of patience(and time), are mechanically inclined then fixing a boat could be worth it. You just really need to understand what you are getting yourself into.
Hi Tim! Thanks for commenting, seems like an awesome job you have on! Keep us posted, if you use Instagram tag us, I’d love to see your progress!
So, I (Chris) am a boatbuilder… I completely agree that it takes an absolute age to fix boats but I’d you love it, it’s truly amazing! Seems like you have the right idea. For me it’s not about saving money, it’s about the entire experience. We love it! However…. I’f I were in Andy’s position I’m not sure I would do it, super experienced chap but so much to learn I’m a short period can add quite a bit of stress - still he seems ok about this - legend!
@@SailHub Alden 44 is a beautiful boat, a true classic and well worth the effort - you do have to pick something you have a real love for
Sounds like a really cool project right there! Quite the undertaking, “one foot in the grave”!
I think you have a hood overview of a restoration there mind you a lot of it sounds like your weather window isn’t helping.
I would suggest you can be happy sailing and building but you then need to compromise. Fingers crossed we can manage this in our own build that we are starting. Otherwise our boats not going to be the only thing with one foot in the grave!
Would love to know what happened to the TH-cam channel that Andy started with Adam. Used to be called the Admiralty and now called the midshipman
Lovely Chanel that just stopped posting
Hey… Can’t say too much there fella… but I wouldn’t worry! We’ve always got something new hidden up our sleeve. Hold fast!
Adam took management of the Midshipmen, I will be starting something new in the coming months with a collection of characters
Well done ❤, i got a 27 ft. Daysailer for almost free. 150€. Now after 3 years in the final stage at a round 22000 €. So what i good not do, new rigging,sails , dodger etc. Took a lot of money as were insurance, fees for berth . . Each meter in lenght of the boat can double your costs. But if you are in the water and sailing after 3 years you have a big smile on your face.
Woahhh! What an awesome story! Well done!
We’ve just started our own build, stoked to be a part of it!!!
I own a Jeanneau 439 and I am also a professional knife maker and furniture maker. I know how to do a lot of fabrication but I am not a plumber, electrician or mechanic. I hire people to do most of the work on my boat because its hard work. I also don't live on my boat and the bills are big but.... I spend my time sailing on my boat not working on it. My next boat will be aluminum. Fixing up a big boat like that in one season is an accomplishment even for a yard with talented staff.
For sure! He’s a real legend ay!
Aluminium! - not sure if you’ve seen our last couple of videos but we’re just starting the build of an aluminium boat! 👍
100% and its not just about the time or ability, its also about the knowledge given how many moving parts that are on a boat that are critical to keep everyone safe.
Oh yeah! The lad did well. It worth noting that Andy fixed what needed to be fixed not what he wanted to fix. The same went for maintenance which is how he achieved it. He is also not afraid to ask and then research which helps.
So he’s been sailing successfully all season and maintaining as he goes, the boat is a completely different boat than it was nearly 2 years back and he’s managed to keep out of the boat yards and live the sailing dream. Legend 👍
"you need to work like a dog" that was my experience of it as well. But same result, wound up with a boat that I wouldn't normally been able to afford.
Sign me up for the dog food! 👍
Dogs I have observed, generally do little work.
@chhindz 🤣 Fantastic!
" That's not how that works " - Chris, that should be stamped on a T-shirt available to every single sailor mate hahahaha
😂 maybe…. Mate how are you? We’re long overdue a catch up my friend.
Great interview. thought I saw all of Andy's work shows, I must have missed the one where he made a fool of himself. Totally enjoy your channel. Thanks
Andy, make a fool of himself… you must be kidding!🤠😂 The lads a legend!
Cheers Herbert! 👍
This is refreshing. A somewhat offensive guy on a different channel speaks against fixing up an older boat, a bit too much. Nice job! It also sounds wise to not buy one that will take more than a year.
Ahh. There’s nothing wrong with fixing up an old boat. Just don’t underestimate the work, most of us buy them to sail so let’s not forget to sail! 😆
It’s a super sport to be into, everyone wants to help so progress can be really good! Research is pretty easy too if you need it as there’s so much online, if you do get stuck though, drop us an email 👍👌
Thanks!!
Yeah, but what did you spend getting the boat up? I mean it probably had a buy batteries and all sorts of equipment so what did you spend? You got the boat for 130 what’s your final number Intuit?
Hey Jack, check out Andy’s channel- he’s not into covering the truth up and there is a full cost breakdown on absolutely everything he has done including the overall costs. It’s fair to say he saved a fortune!
@@SailHubsaved a fortune? Six months if 12-14 hr days is equal to about 9-11 months of 8hr days (assuming only 5 days per week). Even at £35/hr that’s£55k…I d ok nt think he saved much at all AND he lost all that time.
@@stevenschapera2888 yet he now knows his boat inside out and exactly what quality of workmanship was done on it for peace of mind while at sea. You sound a little cynical sir.
Sure! He fixed it up grand! And yeah! He knows it inside and out. It did take a lot of time but then boats take time.
You can put a price in your time if you want too but do you put a price on all of the time you enjoy?
You really shouldn’t get into a restoration if it’s not something you are going to enjoy.
Good PTC - The facts regarding boating. I just bought a Moody 422 in New York and am having some upgrades done (Via Zoom) ;)
Updates via zoom! There a new one. Let us know how it goes! Btw… nice boat! 👍⛵️
I hasten to add that I am based in Cheshire ;) @@SailHub
anybody brave enough to put Wigan on the back of a boat should be in prison
Careful what you say, Schwarzenegger was a Wiganer!
After all that time and money it’s still a Jeanneau. Thats like doing a concours restoration on a Ford instead of a Mercedes - you end up with something intrinsically valuable, capable, and durable. Cost is identical, maybe even less, as the initial build quality is better. Worth to throw cold water on this project….
At the same time, if your off to the Med like Andy you want a light boat that sails in light air with plenty of space inside and a massive cockpit with plenty of shade. That’s why there are so many of them!
Makes sense to us if that’s his cruising plan for sure!
@@SailHub a very fair point! Thanks for sharing!
Restoration of an old boat is not advisable at all. Just buy a new one for a much more enjoyable time.
Just buy a new one 🤣
Even new builds have issues, especially hull No 1 ones.
@charonstyxferryman I second that! Definitely!! -Chris
Yeah, spending $500,000 on a new boat is way easier. 😅
Classic 😆