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YES! Finally we got to hear the amp being demoed in the context of a mix!!!
Presenting your amp demos in a full mix is so helpful!
Please keep this as part of your demos
TONEX rules. Right out of the box these things are ready to go. Love the Triple Rec. Light it up !!
Are the amps already loaded in the Tonex when you receive them out of the box new or do you have to buy them or get them like through here on Kyles channel ?
I just plug into my amps front end with maybe 2-3 pedals in the effects loop so I am not sure about these.
Very nice captures here man! Tonex and NAM kicking everyone else's butts!
Blood for blood shirt hard af
Being software they could have done some cool things like make a 5 band MK EQ available for a Rec and the ability to mix n match a bunch of things. Put a Rec pre into a Mark Simul Class Power section, choices between Pentode or a triode for the Class A choice. Basically let you create the Frankenstein Mesa of your dreams. That’s what would interest me in digital vs. the real deal.
This guy is mad funny. That first edit off the rip had me rolling.
Tonex rulez, Kyle rulez, purple lights rulez, enough said 💪
I've been a dual rec fan for years. Tube sound is the best sound
I'll just keep playing metal with my acoustic amplifier and my $75.00 Epiphone Les Paul with single coils cheapest guitar made and my Amazon holy war pedal and my Zoom rack that a Preacher gave me.... Time's is hard but hey I am having 😊 FUN...I found by accident I set down a car battery next my RIG and it was like feedback city I am rocking now....
Bought a mesa MK 11 b in 1982, don’t have to set anything, been using the same settings ever since. Turn on, plug in, and play. Just sounds great. Only issue is it can be hard to get good non-microphonic replacement valves.
"Unobtainium" pretty much describes just about 76% of my freakin life right now unfortunately.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Including gear I previously owned.
It's all good though.
After everything I've already survived?
I enjoy the challenge.
"One foot in the gutter, one fist in the goal"- Headbanger's Ball
Ha!
'Tallica!!
Seriously tho...
You made this plugin sound absolutely dope AF Kyle!
You're freakin' killing it doggins!
🤘
I think it is safe to say that most, if not all amp sims/models need help. Out of the box, regardless of model, sound bland, blanketed, and kind of "off". They seem to need work to get them sounding like what they are attempting to emulate. Kyle did a good job throwing his magic dust on these for sure, made them sound just fine. How they feel, that is another story, i cant say.
I agree. These all sound great on my pc and for recording. Playing live the feel just doesn’t do it for me.
@@mhoff7722 💯 The feel is huge. Makes us play the way we do. Different amps make me play different just like guitars. Everyone throws around the whole latency thing but that's not my issue, I like the violence of a loud tube amp behind me, it's just much more inspiring live. Pluggins are great for recording but I'll keep "torturing" my back lol. Cracks me up because people talk and complain like they're 300lbs or something!
Mesa Boogie are my favorite amps, always will be. :)
@@shanealan2995 I feel exactly the same. The amp always feels like a living breathing thing behind me. Actually find myself randomly smiling to myself because of something I feel or hear while I’m playing. Hard to explain but I’ve never had that feeling playing through a modeler or plugin.
Hey Kyle I really enjoy your videos your entertaining and you may not solo the best but you got great chops keep on rocking dude
Great production!
I love your "dumb" faces! The faces you make are more than half the reason I subscribed! You're my favorite gear reviewer!
Sounds sick man, I also would love to know what you are using for that bass tone at the beginning. 🤘
Taylor Danley also did a similar (and great) video on those Mesa Tonex captures yesterday btw.
Thanks for watching it 💪
@@TaylorDanley And then i watched Ola's one hehe
Definitely liking this more than the Amplitube 4 Mesa pack. Needs a Badlander and Multiwatt as well. PS: That Blood For Blood shirt rules!
love the blood for blood shirt i got the bfb skull tatted on my arm
Nothing replaces a tube amp pushed in a room through a cab. Still kind of cool
Completely agree.
You have an XXL behind you, awesome!
The compression of the low end, especially on palm mutes isn't dissimilar to the Pod bean. Better, but it's still there.
At this point I think it's because no one has modeled the amount of air that is moved with a low palm mute, much less the proximity effect of the mic.
Yes, much of that gets mixed out. And yes, that is a pita to mix because it's the loudest signal. But in emus, it's never louder. In heavy music there are dynamics expressed in mutes.
Now we have to dial in a Kyle while Kyle dials in a mesa boogie
Great video, as always! But remember these are “only” captures, so like snapshots of someone else’s sound. I know, Doug West, but You can’t tweak them them the same way You would a “real amp”, those knobs don’t behave like a real tonestack. AmpliTube 5 already has tweakable Mark amps, quite good actually if used with external IRs (Rectifiers not so much).
Not sure about these other dudes, but it sounds great. Not a huge recto fan, but they sound like Rectos.
Boss IR-2 is killer
Brother, it looks like you’re on the neck pickup for the whole video??
I'm unable to find your tones in Tone Net. What am I missing?
Why on neck pickup😢?
I saw your MkVII video Kyle, you don’t seem to really care much for the VII? I think it’s fn killer! Low end not have that tight low punch enough for ya? Just curious.
Great video. The Mark models are not ideally captured but adding a eq/boost before can help mimic the gain and treble/mid/bass controls while the tonex treble/mid/bass are after the gain model like the 5 band eq. Fully agree with you, in Amplitube it is ok but standalone the Mark captures are meh..
Hi. What exactly interface are you using?
I'm not loving the sound of the tones out of these amp sims. What audio interface are you hooking into?
He said Presonus.
Did not expect to find you here at all
Are you on your neck pickup for this?
Boogie woogie
If this isn't free when you buy the tonex pedal, this is a waste of money.
Individuals already did these amps for free that sound much, MUCH better 😂😂
Can you get them for the tonex pedal?
Yep! I mention that towards the end of the video
The difference in the recto and 2c don't sound all that different
4:28 that screen tho
I'm a big ol' tech nerd. SAMSUNG 49” Odyssey G9 QLED 240hz Monitor & SAMSUNG Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz Monitor
The Mark amps on this pack suck big time. They have too little gain for high gain sounds. The IIC+ and IV can get really gainy with some settings. I said this on Ola's video but I think is because Doug West set these amps,and his settings are good for rock and clean, bit he doesn't know or like to set these amps for high gain in the vein of Metallica or DT.
honestly I would totally agree with the gain portion on that, and that's why I had to work some magic in order to get them into high Gain territory in this video. but to be fair, I feel like I generally have to do a lot of tweaking to plugins to get them where I like them from pretty much any company but I also have a very particular sound
Have you tried simply raising the incoming signal level just before hitting the ampsim ?
@@djabthrash if you mean the gain on the interface, I always aim for -12 peak input gain because that's where I feel most plugins sound and react closest to real amps. But there is an input level control on the plugin that allows you to raise the input sig ak, and I've done so as high as I can. without it clipping, and it's still just not even close to enough for most models. These models were mostly captured with very little gain, so it's difficult or nearly impossible to get them into high Gain territory without some serious trickery.
@@belligerentamateur You can still add gain inside the plugin, just before the amp block, by adding an effect set transparently with just its output volume adjusted (ex : compressor with ratio at 1:0 but output gain raised).
In the Two Notes Torpedo Torpedo Genome plugin, I'd insert a volume pedal block before my amp and add some gain with the volume pedal. I can also raise the output volume of any block element i insert before the amp block. Maybe you can do something similar in your guitar plugin suite (without having to adjust the plugin input level).
Was disappointed with the Mark series tones available here. Recto’s were cool but basically sound like every other Recto out there.
I definitely agree that the mark amps were undergained for the metal crowd, can't necessarily say that I agree on your recto comment, though. easier for me to say as I've spent time playing with them, but this one does have something a little special going on in the lows and highs compared to other rectifier plugins I have that I compared directly. kind of one of those things where you really have to compare it to be able to tell though
@@belligerentamateur Fair. I’ve made a ton of ToneX and NAM models with my Rev G and Multi Watt and when I compared side by side with these models, the ones I made were (naturally) dialled in more to my taste. Not a million miles apart but I didn’t feel like I was missing anything at all.
Fractal, Helix and STL all make models that sound pretty dead on to my real Recto’s, but most emulations struggle a bit (usually when they don’t model the amp with a Recto cab load). I’d reach for those emulations over these captures for sure, not least because you have all the channels and modes.
These were pretty well dialled in which isn’t always the easiest thing with Recto’s, so i’ll give them dues there.
@@DerSilvano IMO the differences are a bit over exaggerated online. Main influence on the tone is the master volume, different versions use different tapers so eyeballing settings will lead to different tones. Same goes for the bass knob, some versions you have to set those controls very different.
3 channel ones handle some stuff different to how the 2 channel does channel cloning stuff, those modes are hardest to match on the newer recto’s.
@@DerSilvano Not when there are all sorts of revisions. They're the most notorious amps out there for not being consistent in sound from amp to amp. Most other amps, yes.
O problema e o bend,sim,o bend,se for desafinado nada disso vai te salvar,nem amplificador,nem o tone x.e olha que tenho ampli real,fractal,kemper,quad,tone x,tone x one......,mas se o bend desafinar,acaba com tudo.
You know, I keep hearing about these massive grains of salt I'm supposed take when I watch. Where can a villain get some of those? Somebody's gotta have some in stock? I say it becomes the channel's mascot. A massive grain of salt, dressed up like a Mr. Potato Head! Do it! It would be frick'n hilarious! Peace...
No replacement for the real deal. That is just the way it is.
coming from someone with "digital" in their name, I can't help but laugh at the irony 🤣. Not a shot at you at all, just a funny observation
I have nothing against digital modeling, I'm just saying these particular amplifiers are fucking awesome in real life and I've heard the different tonex simulations and they just don't seem to capture it. Just my observation my friend.@@belligerentamateur
I have a Mark IIC+ DRG. Theyre getting close but yes the FEEL just isnt there yet.
@@5150forevermoreYes precisely, it lacks the dynamic attack It's like it only has a certain range and you can't get any more or any less. It's a really weird to describe.
@@chrisdigitalwhich monitors/size you have do make a difference tho but obviously your not sitting on front on the real amp and 4x12
Calling someone a dweeb in 2024 for liking clean tones does nothing except show your age. 😂
Ok, DWEEB
c++
🤦🏻♂️I don’t understand any of this!!! Pinch me.. PLEASE!!! No really
Sounds like a cheap digital simulation to my ears 🤷♂️
I'm genuinely curious curious how your ears would fare in a blindfolded shootout between these and the real thing.
@@belligerentamateur yeah me too, I was wondering if I have unconscious bias due to knowing it was digital as I was listening. Tried to be objective though! 👍
@@DerSilvano if using just in the tonex suite, I do agree. But using them in amplitude and using additional tools to shape them, I think they can sound excellent, personally. The presets are pretty meh for metal tones though, I agree there
I’m so sad hearing people that never plugged into a original c+ think this is even possible….. 😂😂😂
Dude, heavy expensive amps are dead. Modeling is the future and the future is now. Just sayin
Highly disagree and you can't change my mind
People say this every 10 years or so when some new revolutionary tech comes along, yet people still want real amps going into real speakers. Digital is convenient, but not good enough to replace amps. Not yet, anyway.
I have to disagree I used modeling for 10 + years and just bought a powerball 2, 3 months ago and never looked back
Absolute rubbish.
Modeling is hella lame, but I get it. Use it if you need to
I cannot get a decent sound from the ToneX plugin to save my life. Don’t have that problem with any other sim or modeler. I don’t own the ToneX hardware so can’t say anything about it but the plugin sounds dreadful to me.
Not as good as the real thing
would love to test this in a blind shootout and see how many people still feel this way afterwards. I guarantee 99% would be able to tell the difference in a mix, which is what these are made to accomplish
@@belligerentamateur please do. More of your content is always a good thing 👍🏻
Doing a “best of Mesa”, without a PRS, is blasphemy lol
Considering Mesa is owned by Gibson.....I thought that made more sense. Lol