HUGE Tonex UPDATE! INPUT TRIM FIXED FINALLY!! Here Is The WHOLE Story!!!
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At long last I can finally speak officially about this issue. I have told many folks clarification on the issue was coming and here it is. The fine folks over at IK Multimedia have released updates to both Tonex software and a very important update to the Tonex Pedal firmware which fixes the Input Trim issue so many folks were having. All is explained in the video. If you would like to watch my other videos on this topic the links are below along with links to the Wrecked Z Ultimate tone models and an affiliate link to the incredible new AXE I/O One audio interface that you will likely want to check out:
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0:00 - Introduction
0:38 - INPUT TRIM DEBATE - The FINAL Word
17:32 - Differences On Tonex Pedal
22:49 - Tonex Software Differences
27:33 - Conclusion
29:17 - Wrecked Z Tone Models For Tonex/Tonex Pedal
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Shame you are getting treated that way, Jason, keep doing what you do and know that most people on here appreciate greatly what you do to help the scene.
Good work Jason chasing down the problem/issue, working with IK Multimedia, coming up with a solution that will help everyone, and explaining everything. The guitar community is lucky to have you helping us get the most out of our gear! 👍
People called you names for this? GEEZ! This is a FANTASTIC video dude. Your channel is great. Your work is great. Particularly your work on TONEX is incredibly helpful. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone will call you names even if they like their sounds different than how you like it. No place for that. Love your channel man.
Thanks for everything, bro. You have been a huge support within the TONEX community!!
You became one of my fave content creators about engineering. You saved me from returning Tonex Pedal with the input trim video and now another gem vid! Thank you a thousand times from Roma/Italy. Heard you had a back injury hope you're doing better! Wish you the best.
Jason, thanks for this video I had a similar problem myself as well a lot my friends so you took the problem to the top and fixed a situation that was driving me crazy as well, you are the man!!!
You really did a GOOD thing here. Thank you for your honest, hard work. This affects everyone and with you getting such backlash, I see what you’ve accomplished here as the equivalent of taking one for the team 👍🏻
My pleasure and thank you for the kind words! Also, thanks for the SUPER THANKS!
You are absolutely correct and your explanation in the first video was clear. It’s amazing to me how peoples bias can override their ability to reason.
Thanks for the work you do here!
Thank you 🙏
Jason, I really appreciate your insight into the pedal and software. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much and really glad you enjoy 😁
Literally lived that experience 2 days ago. Got a BUNCH of patches I really liked on the software, put them in the pedal, went to a rehearsal for a gig and everything was booty hole. Had to figure out a work around for the evening. Glad its been updated and I can do it all over again haha
Thanks for all your work helping to improve this awesome software.
Thank you for you honesty. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for making this update video. Appreciated.
Thank you for your efforts, Great ear and input to make a great product even better. Keep it up!
Hallelujah awesome info, thank you! When testing and shooting out ToneX I was calibrating the reamping chain and landed at - 9dB by ear to get it matching closest to my real amp sound. Nice to get confirmation there was an internal boost going on. Weird to have a digital gain like that implemented in the first place. That should have been something IK would have found alpha or beta testing the units? Thanks to you they did 👍🏻👍🏻
I had exactly this problem! Thanks so much for the explanation mate, subscribed.
Thank you. Straight forward information well delivered.
That's great that you were able to get their attention about this. I don't have any worthy amps to capture, only an 83 Laney TF 700. Your tone models sound great! One thing I'd just love for ToneX to do is be able to set the right output to a clean DI. It can be done in Interface mode, with split USB out, but it's only 44.1 I use 48 on my recordings, so I'm using the toneX Left out to my UAD, then from there to my DAW. Your videos really helped me wrap my head around this ToneX thing, and I'm still impressed by it and the community!
Been following you for a while since the start of your Helix content and I can tell that you are extremely frustrated talking about this and I'm glad you finally were able to say what you wanted. Im sorry that so many people were disrespectful towards you, essentially bullying and abusing you. Thank you for everything you've done for the modeling community as a whole
Thanks for this. I'm on the edge of buying one.
First modeling experience
I bought a Tonex pedal and your video about the input trim was one of the first that I watched. It seemed pretty legit to me so I rolled my input back and everything has been fine. So thank you for passing that info on. Looking forward to updating the firmware and getting back to +-0. People that feel compelled/empowered to talk $**t to someone that is clearly just trying to help are pathetic.
Jason as Always great job Thank you for all you do to help with the Tonex multiverse. The only thing I can’t find on TH-cam is someone actually using Tonex pedal at a Live gig playing with a band which what I’ll be doing this Saturday night here in Bend , OR so I’ll try to have someone shot some video of me actually playing it in a Live gig situation. Blessings Carl Ventis
Yes PLEASE do!!!! Maybe Jason will let you POST a LINK thru or on his page. OR a name like TONEX pedal USED LIVE/Gigging!!!
Ahhh Bend Oregon,.. maybe we have some mutual friends,…
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Oh dear god that explains so much. Just received my Tone X and I couldn't believe how gainy everything was. I was using a Telecaster with vintage output pickups and it sounded like it had EMGs on.
Hello. This is the first of your videos I've watched. I'm a bass player and don't really use modelers, but I am really getting into bass amp plugins. The Ampeg SVT Suite, specifically, is my hands-down favorite. You said something in this video that was extremely helpful regarding interface input gain. I set my interface up the traditional way. Find the clip point and back off the gain so it's not clipping. The interesting thing is I had trouble getting the amp to run clean without setting the gain into the sim at -10 or -15. Even then the amp would start to break up like a tube does when you hit it hard at the input. The gain being too low going into the sim was causing issues later on. The sim sounds great, but I wanted the amp to react as much like a real SVT as it could. You made excellent points regarding why you set the interface so that the guitar is hitting the sim amp input at the same gain as it would a real amp. I TRIED IT. Turns out, when I set the gain going into the sim at 0bd, not only does the amp sim respond more like a real SVT (virtually identical) it's overall sound is BETTER. It gave me more room on the amps gain/volume and EQ settings as well as better control of the plugins cab and room mics. Even the amp's backside settings, like sag and bias, work better. While I'm not surprised that people whined about your suggestion, (it was JUST A SUGGESTION, not a demand) I don't understand why anyone gets defensive over how they set the gain at the interface. I highly recommend everyone try this if you want to make your amp sim sound as close to the real thing as technically feasible at this point in time. I was really surprised. Anyway, you said you got a bunch of crap for this tip specifically, so I want to say "Thanks for the tip". It was really helpful.
great info, thanks so much
Thank you for this it really helped me
Your take on input gain is very helpful to me and much appreciated. Since you're stressing this applies to passive pickups, could you maybe shed some light about what to do different with actives?
Jason is one of the very best at what he does here Thanks for your hard work getting us this info!!
Thanks for your for your thorough evaluation of the Tonex! So much appreciated. Ignore the haters. Now if IK would just give us a real time editor for the Tonex pedal I would be a happy camper.
Great Job Jason. Ignore the idiots.
So happy to see this video! Would it be possible at some point in the future after getting the axe io and tonex pedal to ask a question if necessary? Obviously I'm saving this video so I can see the signal flow I'll need
Oh, that explains why my input trim went from -10.5db to -1.5db after the latest firmware update! Thanks for the explanation! :) Setting it to -10.5db by hear was the first thing I did when I purchased the pedal and I should thank my hears...
Thanks for explaining this, certainly solved the issue I was having. Surely the logical thing to do would be to set it at 0.0db as default and then the user can add or subtract accordingly?
thanks for your efforts to get them to fix the overly hot pedal input...
My pleasure, it was a huge issue and so glad it is fixed!
Thank you
Jason, thank you so much for this update. Not just for the info, but for working with IK Multimedia to fix the issue. This was a serious problem! It's really amazing to me that you got flack about it because it's so easy to prove you were right -- just switch the ToneX pedal's USB output to Dual (Wet/Dry), and connect them to two tracks in your DAW. Record the wet and dry output to separate tracks, and load the ToneX plugin onto the dry track with the same model that you used in the pedal. I did all this after watching your first video, and found that the pedal (with the old firmware) measures around 8-9db louder than the plugin. So I'm really glad IK Multimedia is fixing the problem, and it's really gratifying to know that my measurements were accurate.
Is there any ETA for when the new firmware will be released? I'm not seeing it in the IK Product Manager yet.
Right, I don't see any firmware update released last time for TonexPedal. 1.0.4 is the latest one (old one)
Any news from IK MM guys?
Got the info on the other comment - need to update Tonem software then firmware release is coming up for Tonem Pedal.
Thx Jason for your great job you are doing for Tonex community !!
I think it’s disgusting how ppl have spoken to you, particularly when you consider it is THEY that misunderstand you but in their arrogance they can’t see it. Nasty & stupid!!
Hope you’re well , glad to see you’re more comfortable with your back & this is great news on this update.
Thanks for what you do!
Ignore the haters…
Best to not even respond to them
@@AntonovichHicksenbrau couldn’t agree more. Hope you’re well!
STOPPPP TELLING MEEEE WHAT TO DOOOOOOO !!!
obviously kidding... thank you for all your effort and keep up the good work Jason.
Lol, My pleasure :-)
Hi Jason, thanks for the good work and very interesting/useful infos, but where is the new Firmware/Software ?
My pleasure! If you go into IK Product Manager, you need to update to the new Tonex software first. Once that is installed, under the Librarian tab you will be able to update your Tonex Pedal firmware when it is connected via USB. Hope that helps :-)
Good work. I think I finally understand what you mean though, after the 50th time you said it.
I really don’t understand why IK multimedia is now showing “low” on the screen when the input trim is on 0db, on one hand they fixed the issue and on the other hand, they are now literally telling the user: “nope. 0db isn’t enough, you should increase it”… it makes me wonder, any chance they profiled their stock models with a much higher input gain and that’s why they set it that high in the first place? So their profiles will sound better?
Good chance you’re right on the money here.. next update “fixed presets?”
Zero is the new hero. , then set it and forget it! Great video... 😎
Hey Jason! Thanks for all the great videos. Your suggestions are very helpful! Could you possibly explain how Tonex user can utilize the stomp boxes that are included within the software? Is there a way to insert additional effects within the preset chain besides the reverb, noise gate or compressor?
I think I have seen all your videos about this matter.... Firstly thank you for all your efforts of explaining people how this device works. I set my Tonex pedal too 0 db, great that issue has been solved. My question is how do I set my input gain on my Motu M4 for accurracy of the tone models? All the manufacturers of audio interfaces say that you have to raise the input gain until it starts clipping and then back off a little.... This makes no sence to me. Do I have to set it on zero like yours? Great channel. You're the best. I've subscribed
Thanks for this…. I’m baffled as to why IK thought a 8.5dB boost was necessary. It was really screwing with my tones.
Great video, can you show a cabling video to capture tone with axe i/o one. Can't figure out how to hook up and what cables to use. Please
Jason, this is great work, thank you! I do have a question about your interface input level at minimum. If I have the input knob on my interface all the way counter-clockwise, isn't that "off" so no signal is passing from the interface into (say, for example) Amplitube? I feel like I am missing something in my understanding of this. Thanks again for all you do!
Does this mean my Pink Taco captures will go back to sounding awesome and I'll need to reset the HW/TJ captures? Either way, thank you for this research and product improvement!
Im still getting my way to get one of this awesome gear....ooo welll lets save some money more 😁😁😁
Jason Sadites now with that new trim setting do I still need the +6 db on my Helix return ?
I'm having that exact problem when I play my pedal steel through the ToneX pedal. The Twin patch sounds great with my Tele, but the sound breaks up when playing my steel. I think it must be the Bill Lawrence 705 pickup is too hot. Hopefully I still have the old firmware and the update will fix that. Thanks so much for this video!
I have been geeking out about this. still don't see the firmware update post 2/16/2023. very eager for updates and bug fixes.
I just looked. I currently had mine set at -6db and it was still a bit hot. I will surely listen for the change when I can update firmware.
Congratulations for this video...but about the outputs. When this pedal start to work with independent outputs cab off and on. I miss this configuration but i need give one output to return to amp e another output to line.
Hi Jason, thank you for this great vid. Could you please tell me what is the firmware version number you are describing for the tonex pedal? After seeing your video yesterday, i looked for an update of my version tat is 1.04, but the pedal told me that that's the current version. Have you tested a beta version that might be released to users in the next days, maybe?
your the best jason.complainers arnt real musicians any how
Ok, I get entirely what you are saying and have followed this. But I did a test -- first I plugged my guitar directly into the Hi-Z input of my audio interface (Fireface UFX+), and noted the metered input level of my guitar going in. Then I plugged into the Tonex pedal, and went into the same input with TOTALLY neutral preset in - everything off (amp, cab, eq reset, everything), and checked the level. NOTE that my pedal output volume is at the middle position of 5.0 - not sure how that affects this test). To match the level of my guitar going in alone in this test, AFTER the 1.1.16 update, I need to set my input trim to +7.0. Now, when going straight in to my interface with the same input levels as when I did my test, and playing through the Tonex software, I need to set the input gain level to +6.0 before my captured models (which were captured according to Tonex's level setting requirements with about three orange dots of the "correct" part of the meter lighting) start to sound similar to what they were when I captured them. What does this all mean?!! Jason, your help in understanding this would be vastly appreciated. Should I leave my pedal input trim and Tonex input at +7.0 at all times and just tweak model gain individually from there or set to 0db and have to keep cranking up the input trim on my pedal to get significant signal?
Further to this, I now realize that, yes, my Tonex pedal output volume affected my test. But raised the question, what is unity for Tonex pedal's output volume, ... 10? Setting the master out volume to 10 makes a 0db input trim setting on the pedal roughly match my guitar output when going into my interface directly. But the fact remains, my recent captures unquestionably sound impotent at that level without significant gain added beyond 0db (after the new update). My edge of breakup captures are pure clean, not breaking up at all. Is it something in the way they were captured? I followed all of Tonex's level recommendations when capturing and everything sounded fine in the A/B at that time.
They FINALLY fixed that problem in that thing that you can't actually buy yet because it hasn't shipped.
I'm getting mine in 20+ days. Do you think it will come with the updated firmware?
I think my major issue was that I never made my own captures so I couldn't compare to what the intention of the capture was. It might have sounded fantastic to the person who made the capture but my pedal would make me dismiss a lot of tone models. Now this should get everything on the same page with input trim to 0.
Hi thanks so much😊 i only use the software Tonex, Not the tonex Pedal. I use an uad Apollo as an Interface. Has this then also been corrected for the Software Tonex? I just leave it at 0 dB correct? Thanks.
Maybe this explains why some of my stuff is so noisy, apart from interference issues I know I deal with. I have been going with the Low/hi/ok indicator. 8.6 dB is huge, bit now that I think of it- my rme refers to instrument inputs as -10 and line as +4.
You who are a professional and know a lot about Tonex, I have a problem. When capturing an amp, when I get to the time to Train it, I get this message: tonex couldn't start the model engine.
Do you know what it could be and how to fix it? I would greatly appreciate any help
Just wonderring Jason, what update release should this be mine says 1.02 as latest update?
Thanks for the information, but clarify if the input trim is the same as the gain knob on the pedal? I see some saying just turn down the gain its the same? Which I don't see how it could be.
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Opinions are like politicians. Everybody has one...wait WHAT? (Good info. brother) This helps with my decision.
Having read some of the facebook threads, this update seems to have added a new layer of confusion for people. Too bad...
Sure wish i could even get one…
what firmware is this? I'm not seeing any difference after updating, and Tonex keeps telling me there's a USB connection error, even though I can update all my presets and add things to my pedal. It doesn't make any damn sense.
I use my Tonex pedal on my HeadrusH frfr112 also for the Kemper, on my Kemper my sound is amazing, rich and full sounding, but with the Tonex pedal my sound is thin and sounds crappy, what can I do to sounds it great?
If i just want to jam and not record for example, if i put the Input Trim Level to 0 then i have to hit the strings harder. Did i miss something? I am very new to this. I am very sorry.
if I buy and update, this issue would be fixed now? the update is online now?
Yes everything is updated now.
No one is making tutorial/deep dives on this yet. I love the pedal, but the UI is not user friendly at all. Thanks for these videos.
lots of folks in forums "give us a trim programmable per patch please preset do not react the same depending the trim , some sound better with trim low, other sound better with trim hi "..answer of IK multimedia....we willl put a low/ok/hi indicator ,not programmable and that is too low at 0dB lool it's not fixed imho...
When are they going to let the tonex software editor make changes real time to pedal so I don't have to keep saving to preset then editing and uploading back to my pedal then check to see if it is ok? Also why can't I play the presets in the tonex software out of my tonex pedal as an audio interface out of the output jacks instead of the headphone jack?
Yes! This is a big deal. Thank you @Matthew Earl
@@TheFrozenDesert I'm glad I am not the only one who wants these features!! I mean it seems like a no brainer. I mean I can do this with the AxeFX, I can do it with the Boss Katana, I can do it with my Eventide H9 and H90, my small little Positive Grid Spark amp.
Hey can you do a video of getting zipped files of captures on your ToneX?
Sorry I don't understand what you are asking.
Where can I find the new firmware, nothing new in my IK product manager?
You have to update your tonex software first. Then connect your tonex pedal to your computer and move over to Library- at this point tonex software will update your pedal.
Please help me make sens of IK response for headphones output.
Measurement condition: Output volume set at 0dB; operation mode:interface, 32ohm load
Output impedance 68 ohm
Dynamic range -100dB
Power 20mW
Frequency response 5Hz-20kHz
THD+N -54dB
Crosstalk L-R -60dB
Social media was not originally designed for name calling and verbal abuse. But that's sadly where it's gone....
So why would I buy ToneX capture box vs the new Axe I/O ??
Tonex Capture allows you an easy way to capture Direct captures by taking a tap off of the speaker output of an amp. This new interface cannot do that.
lol…I was lost the first 3 min into this video. This is so confusing. I appreciate you helping a lot if people but for me and some others, we are still at unpacking the box and hooking it up phase. I have it all set up and hooked up to my monitor speakers. Now I don’t know what the hell to do with it. All the presets really are terrible IMO. Tried tweeking it and got it to sound better. I don’t get IR’s and I don’t get all these package deals you can buy and have tones of favorite artist set ups. Does this mean you buy it and dint have to tweek anything? We need a tone x basic class 101 -for absolute beginners. The reason I bought the tone x was so I could PLAY more and not sit and constantly play with this. Give me a few really good tones and I am happy. What I also don’t get is why people hook the tone x up to a helix or a stomp box? Why? Isn’t the Tone x enough? Confused -do I go out and buy distortion and reverb pedals to add? Thank you for this video -when I learn more about it, I will revisit this so it makes some sort of sense. Right now, I am at the point of selling it and buying a amplifier
Is there a way to bypass tone x on a board?
Yes, pressing the active Footswich, then the green LED starts to blinking. Thats the Bypass Mode from the active Preset.
A lesser person (me) would have named this video “I Told You So.”
This is really informative and good content, but honestly you're repeating many points about three or four times. I feel like this video could have been 10min instead of 30min, easily. Anyway, rock on !
Well, not sure what to tell you. You found the video informative but the only thing you could think of commenting was that you "feel" it could have been shorter. I guess you could always go try and find a video that gives you the same information in the imaginary time limit that you have set as the limit. Hope you find what you are looking for.
I hope someone can answer this. I received my Tonex pedal on 3/14. What version is the new update? My pedal says version 1.0.4
Congrats on getting the pedal! The new firmware is 1.0.5. If you go to IK Product Manager and download the latest update for Tonex software and install that, you will be able to use the Tonex software to update the pedal to the new firmware under the Librarian tab. Hope that helps and hope you enjoy :-)
@@JasonSadites Thank you very much.
@@hockeyman2274 my pleasure and hope you enjoy!
@Jason Sadites The plans are to set half of the tones for my Helix floor the other half for old school pedalboard. Won't know if it works until I try it.
The bizarre thing is, time shows us over and over that your scientific approach and non biased conclusions provide us all with information that simply can't be argued with, yet there are still idiots out there who will argue. When you tell us about stuff like this I take it as truth, and then you OFFER ways around stumbling blocks, ways that work better for you etc.. How much better could it be!
New firmware doesnt show up in IK Manager
After you update your Tonex software you do the firmware update from within Tonex software. Hope that helps :-)
@Jason Sadites Thank you sir you are The Best!
@Joseph Vermetti haha, my pleasure and thank you 🙏🏻
Musicians are very opinion saturated;) Good video
Hey, I am using a Clarett 4Pre + Ableton + Amplitube 5 and Tonex VSTs, and I find that I need to add extra gain before the plugins to make them sound right, I have a fixed gain, and then by switching guitars I can get more or less input depending on the pickups like I would do with a real amp, is this something you have experienced? I am asking because you mention a Clarett+ in the video. Thanks.
ASIO is pronouced "AH-SEE-OH" 😉
man... waaaaaaaayyyyyy too much time spent on that other stuff. You're a public figure- comes with the territory. Say what you've got to say and don't let all that crap live rent free in your head.
It was pretty apparent the pedal was too hot. I think it was a factually correct statement that you shouldn't have to set it to -13 but due to the defect, it was either do that, or cut your capture send level. This is good news.
I really wish this were 32bit floating point with a variable sample/bit rate. It sounds horrible when clipping. I feel like it triggers my late 90's/early 2000's digital PTSD.
Hey Jason ,,,I personally really appreciate the help you are giving everyone,,,I am thinking of getting the TONE-X PEDAL,,,YOUR HELP IS GREAT THANK YOU SO MUCH. - RJ.
Hey Ron, totally my pleasure and really glad the videos have been helpful :-)
Sounds great… have to watch it later… comment for the 41g0rithm 😜
Thank you 😁
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