What ‘fixing’ art is meant to be: “You put your shadows to far left. Try moving them more to the right” What people actually do: “I don’t like the type of shoes your character is wearing.”
Trueee Even if they're "fixing" it with good intentions (which i highly doubt), their concrit needs a lot of work. Constructive criticism should always be objective. This is literally what the opening of most artbooks i read say
There's a difference between constructive criticism and it meaning to improve your piece or your art style, and just saying to fix it because you don't like it.
@mega stryke Gameplay yes, if people are creating anything but abstract art, then it stands to reason that they must atleast check out the basic principles of art. i'm not talking about realistic anatomy. im saying structure, positioning of objects in a 3d space, the relationship of lights and shadows, color theory, etc. criticism driven by subjective feelings will not help you discover what is the problem. say for example, an art that you feel is slightly off. you cannot fix that by thinking, "oh, i can't draw" or "ah this is bad art" the same way you cannot "fix" an art by saying "ah, this is offensive" or "my goodness, this doesn't support equality!" not only is the latter advice a matter of a problem regarding the themes the artist picks up, it is a criticism that evolves to being a criticism of the artist, rather than the (technical execution of) art, while staying on the frame of (technical execution of) art criticism. of course, the topic of what people choose to draw, what is appropriate to draw, and whether other people online have a say in it is a whole 'nother topic entirely, which i'd rather not get into. but staying on the "fixing art" topic, if you indeed want to be guided by basic art principles, the best way to improve would be to ask yourself "the shape feels too exaggerated" or "i have made the eyes a little too close, let's try to space it next time" rather than commiserate in self pity. how you execute your art depends on you entirely, but you cannot force people to like it, the same way other people cannot force you to abide to said principles if you don't want to
like how much does it say about her that she literally thought 'this art isn't mine but I will put in effort to make it fit my standards and likings... even tho it's not mine'
yeah i hate when she said "fixing art" Lol dude, if you want make fat body and black skin, better and polite said it as fanart WITH body and race positively. Just learn more about fat body and skin anatomy. Not many being complain.
Yeah, I remember seeing a post where she "fixed" art and it disgusted me, she accused the original artist of sexualizing a minor (it was BNHA character, dunno the character's name though).
I love how they say they hate fat phobia when their idea of “desexualizing characters” is making them fat, basically saying that you can’t be sexually attractive if you’re fat
I feel like Zeena is honestly incredibly racist tbh. And they have the audacity to think that White, Latina, Asian, Christian, Lightskin, Jewish, Other religion and race people DONT EXIST, then I think they need to go see a therapist. As a Muslim, slapping a hijab won’t make a character more normalized and desexualized. Although the purpose of the hijab was to show modesty, it doesn’t mean that every single non Muslim person should just slap more modest and covering clothes on characters, it’s utterly useless. It’s also just putting down other religions, making their hair the headscarf, turning socks into pants, it’s awful. Again, as a Muslim, I hope Zeena gets what they deserves.
I felt the same way, I was like I bet some characters she “fix” are from black artists that made the characters light skinned. She is just disrespecting a lot of people and cultures when she does that. How would she feel when someone fixes her art and criticizes her the same way. Probably mad or horrible.
I agree, They can raise awareness or do whatever they like with making OCs, cuz changing others is very disrespectful to the artists or people who have similar bodies and been called "unrealistic"for being skinny or had curves, There is nothing "unrealistic" if it actually exists in reality LMAO
Yes this! Women with bigger breasts exist and it doesn’t have to be inherently sexual. You can be thinner and have bigger boobs, you can have an hourglass body, you can be a teenager but look like an adult, you can have bigger hips and thighs but still have abs of steel, etc. I can understand how some costumes can be a bit sexualized, especially for female characters, but that doesn’t give you permission to attack someone else’s art and “fix” it. I’m sorry, but as a woman, I actually follow some NSFW artists who draw their characters in a pin up style simply because I resonate with that body type. Robaato art for instance has work like that. I get sometimes proportions can look weird because of stylization, but I feel like these art fixers are just projecting insecurities or trying to gain some sort of clout by virtue signaling rather than providing actual helpful tips or criticism.
blabla BLA I think that really depends on your genetic and hormonal structure. Some people store fat in more areas than others, some stay slim even during pregnancy, some are super sensitive to hormonal forms of birth control and will grow bigger in their breast area, and some have bigger thighs and butts, but are smaller up top. Estrogen is responsible for breast and hip growth, but your genetics influence your body structure. Weight lifting can also push your chest muscles out to give the appearance of larger boobs, but fat loss will generally make them smaller.
I think it is about the context and history around as well. Many characters have their design to represent something in the same universe, to make us an idea of how they are like just by looking at them, you know the most basic rule of character design. And still yeah, changing them just like it, it's not taking in consideration what was the actual meaning of the character's existence.
The worst part about zeefixesart is that she black washes them with colours that don’t even look black - they look like some alien skin colour or some horrible pigment altering disease. And she tells other artists that their proportion are messed up yet her proportions are even worse, her faces lack all detail, her shading is messy, her positions are unnatural and her proportions between the lower body and upper body are completely wrong. She ‘fixes’ art by making it 10x worse.
The same reason so many people are rebooting and replacing characters. When they try to make their own "woke" projects and works, nobody likes it or gives it the time of day. To solve this problem they just attach it to some artist or property that people know and care about in order to trick people into giving it attention beyond its merits.
Imagine you get your friend to draw you and they draw you having a whole different skin tone, being chubby/fat and having body hair saying that you have been 'fixed'.
The big noses always felt a little racist to me. Like yeah, a lot of dark skinned people have larger noses but they dont take up the entirety of their faces
As an artist I’ll never forget when I was sketching in class and two of my friends took it upon themselves to “fix” my art. I had drawn a woman with dread locks and slit pupils who was wearing a tank top, first thing they did was fill in the eyes to make them completely black, then they filled in the dreadlock all the way( I had left out where light was hitting her hair). Those two then focused on her chest telling me how I needed to work on my proportions, redrawing her collarbone to were it jutted out of her skin, and drawing a shirt over her tank top. I know this is dramatic but they did so many thing like that, this particular incident just stuck out because I was genuinely proud of how it turned out and when they changed it it was crushing to me.
I feel you, when I was in jr high I had severe depression and had a male friend I would talk to, I showed him a poem I had wrote basically about how bad I felt and he took out a pen and started correcting my spelling and then said a cheeky thing about how he can't help himself when he sees an error. I didn't consider him a friend after that. I was trying to open up to someone about how bad it was and how I just wanted to unalive and that was the response I got, gave me trust issues I have to this day.
Id cry too man, like, OF COURSE, I DON'T WORK ON MY CHARACTERS DESIGNS EVERYDAY IMPROVING THEM AND ADDING/TAKING OUT THINGS TO MAKE THEM MORE INTERESTING, AND OF COURSE I CAN BEAR THAT SOMEONE RANDOM OM THE INTERNET """"FIX""""" THOSE HARD-WORKED DESINGS BECAUSE OF A NON-EXISTENT RACISM ON MY DRAWINGS I'm sorry, i got a little bit angry lol
One of the things I hate most about this “de-sexualizing” art is that it almost always involves making a female character’s breasts almost non-existent. While I can see the sexualizing issue in making a character’s breasts disproportionately big, like the Ochako art, removing a character’s breasts to prevent “sexualization” is also kind of creepy? As someone who developed a large cup size in my early teens, I have spent my whole life being shamed and sexualized for something I have no control over, and doing this to female characters and calling it “fixing” them just perpetuates that.
ibillisticsheep girl I feel that! And you better believe it doesn’t! The thing this artist doesn’t get is that sexuality is a spectrum that all humans exist on regardless of what our flesh prison looks like!
@@comradedyatlov4143 It happens dude, and in Japan that's pretty far above age of consent, even in the US she would be at the age of consent. She's two years away from adulthood, people are usually at least somewhat developed by then.
“desexualising” characters by making them black, plus sized and hairy? Sooo they’re calling black, plus sized hairy people ugly? These body positivity movement people confuse me, are these bodies beautiful or not?
The worst is that "desexualizing" them by changing their race and size and adding hair implies they see said race as unattractive which is a whole other can of worms
What galls me is that she has all this audacity but her drawings are so bad. She fixes art by reducing its quality to the point where it's unrecognisable and unappealing?
brooo ikr calling one artists art "misshapen, hideous shading, being afraid of drawing fat women, etc" and then proceeding to draw the most same-face-syndrome face, shading the skin like a sausage of literal shit - which is the first description I came up with - and refusing to draw skinny people is just wowa. ig any kind of attention, positive or negative, is still attention.
here's a story. once, a long time ago, i drew fanart for a book character. i thought she was white, and did not know the character was a hawaiian native. someone commented on my picture politely pointing out my mistake, and i took the criticism and fixed it the next time i drew her. now that is called BEING A DECENT PERSON instead of trolling artists. thanks for coming to my tedtalk
It’s a lot harder to tell a character’s exact appearance from a book unless the book has illustrations or accurate descriptions, it can be very easy to think someone has white skin but actually has black skin because it wasn’t explicitly stated. Illustrations are very helpful in figuring out how to accurately draw a character and understand their background, which is why I think most books should have some illustrations in them. And some images of the characters in color so you know their exact hair, skin, and eye colors.
it’s like when big studios reboot characters to be gay. it’s not an original well thought out gay character, it’s just a shiny new label slapped on for the sake of “inclusivity”. i would much rather have a completely new diverse character rather than “fixing” an old one.
Exactly what i was thinking, instead of "fixing" other people's art or "showing better representation" to a certain group of people, make an original character with an actual personality, background story, etc. That fits THAT character, instead of making some 15 y/o highschooler from an anime black
Hey guys!! Here’s a painting tip from an embalmer- always use a warmer undertone! We’ve all got red blood and that red will always show a bit through the skin tone. Those colors seem ashy due to green or blue hues in the color and that tends to make the subject look sickly or dead :)
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It's really problematic to "desexualise" art by making the character's boobs smaller. People need to realise that bigger boobs aren't inherently sexual. It creates so much insecurity, especially with people who are still growing.
Yep they fail to realise that even female characters with mature bodies are meant to represent a kind of motherly figure, hence the wide hips and big boobs with often gentle faces because they're meant to convey a maternal message through artistic design.
"the faces are misshapen and your shading is hideous" proceeds to draw a picture with worse shading, less detailed face, and horribly vibrant purple lines and calls it fixed
God the lineart made me so mad. Why are you using NEON PURPLE the only other spot you have purple is that teensy little bit for the iris. Even if they had more purple itd still look gross.
Maybe they have a different meaning for fix? Anyways, the 'fixed' art isn't even art.. it's an abomination, a blasphemy to to the original artist. I'm not an artist nor do I come from a family of artists/illustrators but I'm pretty sure most in our family can draw and color better than this 'art fixer'.
@@mewhenmemeimeyea I understand sometimes people have a style, but blatantly ignoring/not understanding the basics of what makes art appealing or cohesive doesn't seem like a style choice to me lmao. My art used to look like utter crap and I made these same mistakes.
Maybe instead of 'fixing' they should design their own characters? If they want all their characters to be dark skinned and big then go ahead, I don't get why they force their beauty standards on others
t's frustrating because it's not even beauty standards. it's them thinking that people that have the same body type as anime characters don't exist (and sometimes they don't, but i mean generally speaking). if your idea of making a character un-sexy is making them chubby and black, maybe you're part of the problem you think you're solving (again, i mean "you" generally)
Because they suck on these people's fame like leeches and hope they get attention. They're so lazy they depend on much successful artists. Seriously, I don't even know how these people got followers.
the worst part is that most of the characters there 'fixing' are canonically asian and fit asian standards (short height, smaller body structure, medium - light skin) and then making them a completely different race and build because its more "realistic" also real women can have bigger bust sizes making them big isn't necessarily trying to sexualize them, by 'fixing' them your just further promoting the norm that big chests are inherently sexual (yes ik asian ppl can have darker skin im talking abt in most animes its medium to light witch is kinda annoying but still)
Not to mention, they made a certain anime character overweight. In this anime they train a lot. Like, a LOT. I would be suprised if they did this while being overweight, lol.
@@angie-jg4vr the same Anime also had a Movie which is show 3 American Character for a Scene,they are with Different skin tones and beatifully drawn Yet SJW Society hates Spreading this kind of Wholesome stuff and spread hate instead
The thing is, the people claiming that the characters should by "desexualized" are actually the only ones sexualizing the characters. Nobody sees the art as "sexual" until certain people claim that the characters are "oversexualized". It's twisted.
I feel like fixing art could be positive when done privately. Sometimes I would take professional art and try to find out the mistakes so I could evolve as an artist, however I NEVER post them. It’s just for me alone to learn from, just like how tracing could help.
I can only imagine the exasperation actual BLM activists feel about entitled white kids and mega-corporations abusing the movement to shill for their own art and products. To say nothing of the people treating protests like wild parties or using it to promote more politically divisive views and only giving alt-right conspiracy theorists credibility when they smear the actual peaceful protesters.
I refuse to associate with the edgelord socialists on Twitter and never getting a Tumblr account was one of my best decisions as a young artist (although Twitter is just Tumblr now, so...), but I was kind of hoping that my fellow left-of-center people would take the time to reflect and realize the more subtle ways we promote systemic racism, even if we’re not trying to be “racist.” Or at least learn to draw black joy. But no, we have to fixate only on the blatant racists in the Deep South to make sure we never feel bad about ourselves and continue to cluelessly wonder why Black Republicans exist.
Honestly? I wouldn't call anime characters Asian, either. Anime characters are their own species of human, in my opinion. I mean come on. What real person can do their hair like that so consistently?
I love how they taking every anime character and turning them black.... Anime is made in JAPAN.... Most people in anime are JAPANESE And when they make anime in places outside Japan like Banana fish (took place in America) for example they went out their way and drew black characters and Chinese characters, gave them personality, making it all so real.... And ✨ DIVERSE ✨
Because Asians are quite obviously only Chinese, Japanese or Korean duhhhhhhhhhhh. I mean Asia is a tiny continent, so it isn’t like there’s a ton of Asians with darker skin. All Asians are pale af duhhhh.
White is a color too if we're playing this game. Like everyone on the planet is on one team and then white ppl are on the other team... That's bullshit.
@@shaderyph white technically isn't a color. But also, we didn't make those rules, white people did. When they stop believing that and behaving that way, probably POC will too. (Source-someone whose ancestors were only considered 3/5 of a human by white people.)
As a professional artist, we also have to deal with people higher on the chain then us that tell us how to draw stuff. I've had to sexualize characters I did not want to sexualize before or do design changes I did not want to do. Artists in the industry don't always get to draw what they want, and rarely do we get away with things we like.
It's fine because you are working with an art director/manager with a vision and target audience. You don't gain anything from these troll artfixers. Unless this art fixer is a pro, most of the time they just want a different style from your drawing. You and the artfixer wont gain any money from it, just bad attention.
I was called a pedophile for drawing a clothed character (who looked like an adult because I suck at drawing teens) witnessing a NSFW situation. All because of their canon age.
Anime is as diverse as anything already. But why is it that when there is a Darker-skinned character, they automatically assume they are black? Its as if South-east Asians, Polynesians or any other darker skinned race doesn't exist.
Im tanned but my feet is bit dark. Also my upper part of body(chest to head) when exposed to sunlight it looks light. also i was born pale skinned before
Fun fact: she's insecure and makes anything that looks actually good bad and FAT (I have nothing against that kinda art, but hers just sux lmao) The only art she ever "fixed" was always women, never men. And it's always something that's already beautiful and good, so she ruins it and calls it fixed in order to satisfy herself rather then trying to lose weight or anything like that. That kind of insecure is disgusting.
@@mr.ddhemmalshehri5611 exactly! what puts me off is that they claim that they're fixing art to prevent "oversexualizing" it. they're contradicting their self because that means they think that being black, fat and having body hair can stop someone from being sexy. imagine being so "woke" that you become racist. also I believe they go by they/them pronouns
“Art Fixers” are not artists. Real artists realize that there’s a concept called style. Real artists also know that if something annoys you, you just don’t listen to it
Real artists bring up other artists and support them in their endeavors, they also give c o n s t r u c t i v e criticism when it's explicitly asked for
My perspective on character redesigns in military terms: Original character is the M1 Abrams, original and good with its variants The redesigned is the Abrams X and oh God, it's ruined
also, those people must have not heard of fat fetishists. There are plenty of "sexualized" fat characters all over the internet, so I don't know how they think being obese = "not sexualized" since there are plenty of people who think otherwise.
And also making their boobs smaller? As if big boobs should be shamed and covered bc they are inherintly sexual appereantly like i hate my chest for other reasons(gender dysphoria)...but i would slap a bitch if they said i need to hate my big chest bc it's big and thusly inherintly sexual like i may hate them they ain't sexual!
@@Josku2411 I'm male but GOD. I have seen so many other people call a woman a slut behind her back all because she has a big chest, even if they're wearing something fully clothed- like a sweater.
I have actually seen someone being called a whitewasher for drawing black people's palms in a lighter tone. How many of these people even know any black people?
I read somewhere that everyone’s palms, regardless of race, have less melanin than the rest of your skin, so your palms will usually be lighter than the rest of you
Don’t worry about the trolls on Twitter, they have nothing better to do than show their true colors. You are lovely the way you are!! ^^sending hugs and hearts your way 💕💕
One time I drew a self portrait and posted it on twitter and there was a guy that darkened the skin color because he thought I was drawing a black character but I'm filipino so I totally meant to draw it tan. ;--;
as i read the comments im starting to think people think that any character with brown skin is black... as if there are not other races with brown skin...
Zeena doesn’t realize that “fixing” someone’s art says more about *themselves* than the actual person who made the art. By making the characters darker, hairier, and chubbier, Zeena is basically saying that they find these types of people unattractive.
Poof It’s mainly because women were overly sexualized in mainstream media, so now anything resembling those styles is seen in a bad light. Obviously there are people with those body types, but it was huge boobs, a big butt and an hourglass figure that wasn’t proportionate with the rest of her body. It’s definitely wrong how women’s shapes are being cherry picked or disregarded though
@@hannahz3377 not everything has to be realistic, not everything has to be neutral, there is content that is sexual and meant to target certain people over others, and there is nothing wrong with that, specially when we are talking about characters, do you want artists to change what they like to draw so you feel better?
Elbin Alejandro Feliz Gonzalez Huh? I was just answering the question. The thing is, more body shapes are being drawn now, so it’s better, but constantly only having one body type to please one type of audience when it’s aimed at a different audience isn’t the way to go. I don’t care what the producers do or what ends up getting drawn, but a lot of girls struggle with their image because of constantly comparing themselves to figures like this or getting overly sexualized because they have the “desired” body type. Besides, why would there be sexual content in anime or shows aimed for kids and teens? Also, the character designer is in charge of what the character looks like, so even if the animators wanted to change the body shape, they aren’t allowed to. Hope this answers your question :)
How fixing art should be: “Give the character some more personality in their poses, therefore they won’t look like 🧍♂️” What it’s like: “I don’t like the skin tone”
Dude it’s not just the fact that she “fixes” art that pisses me off but her art itself is genuinely drawn terribly and colored and shaded terribly it’s hard to look at
I don't understand why these obvious amateur artists feel like they are in any way authorities on this. She's just plain arrogant on top of everything else.
Fixing art is degrading to the artist. It shows that the fixer has no respect for the art, character, or artist that they're "fixing" the art of. Redrawing art in a different style is, for most, flattering. It shows the redrawer has respect for the artist, the art, and the character, and simply wants to see how it would look drawn in their own style. There's such a big difference between these two things and it's pretty much all to do with the way it's done. You can more than fairly redraw art and politely give pointers to the original artist in a constructive and friendly way, such as going, "I thought a brighter shading palette accentuated their skin and hair better. If you'd like, I could share the shading palette I used so you can try it out yourself."
When re drawing artist either use a hashtag DTIYS or ask the original artist if we can draw their art (unless it's an anime series cause that's fanart).
Not to be mean but most of these artist that fix other people's art aren't even good artist, instead of "fixing" other people's art why don't they get good enough to make the art they want to see
I agree. Fixing ppl's arts are like...criticizing someone's food and adding salt to it and say "hey I fixed yer shitty food. the one you spent an hour doing, in just two seconds" It's kinda sad. But onto the point of the video: Zeefixart's account is hella suspicious. profile pic of a black gay muslim girl whose name is adultery--that's not...am I just blind? I really don't see how anyone could have so much _edge._
I’m a heavy set girl and I feel like this girl that “fixes” art is making fun of not only my body type, but every other girls. She’s saying that the way to draw someone not sexualized is to make them big and she’s saying that it’s not ok to draw any other size or skin tone than what she draws because it’s not right. Everyone is different and not ever girl looks the way she’s drawing them. If she wants to advocate she should make her own art and not try to “fix” anyone else’s.
I actually noticed that I draw smaller body types a while back.. And being on the chubbier side, I wanted to do more drawings like “me” and have been working on proportions so I can better myself in that area 🤗 Also, don’t think I’ve ever really done a POC drawing .. mainly because I suck at coloring LOL and I personally like the sketchy look of my drawings 🤷🏽♀️ but I’m sure there are couple of ways to show diversity in art without colors. 🤗
people shouldn’t just call it “fixing”, it’s like saying it’s wrong or broken... “redesigning” with their own twist or something like that is non-conflictive..
True... I'm always interested in seeing other people's takes on popular characters but it doesn't always mean that they're trying to be better than canon. At the end of the day it's mostly just harmless fun and completely different than going after a specific artist's characters/art and claiming to have "fixed" their content. That's disrespectful at best.
There is a difference between redesigning something because it's a cool idea and wanting to try it out and "redesigning" something because it doesn't fit your overly high moral standards and having a complete disregard for development, context etc
What offends me most is that they call it "fixing art." Art is not broken. Imagine working hard on a character design that you're passionate about... Only to have someone redraw your work and claiming it's fixed -- implying that not only that your work is poor, but the fixer artist can design your own character better than you. That's akin to a fanfic writer rewriting a book/show, changing almost everything, and then saying its "better than the original show." Shameful. Disgusting. Disrespectful.
Oh my. I remember I once had a friend on deviantart who was an art fixer, but they now deleted their account and we lost contact (luckily). I remember at that time, I was highly engaged in the My little Pony fandom and we met when that person was critizising a really popular MLP artist (Velveagic Sentry) because of envy. I feel ashamed now, bc at that time, I was envious of Velveagic as well, so I listened to that person and talked to them. First, I agreed that they had a point. They mainly critizised Velveagic for always using bases instead of fully drawing their art themselves. However, soon they started critizising everything on her and also on other MLP speedpainters with a lot of subscribers and they took their designs and made redesigns of them, as if it was forbidden to use a certain kind of color combination or color saturation. I remember they always critizised those people using too bright colors for their fankids, although the show itself has a very bright color palette. So they changed everything onto their OCs, making the colors dull, altering the hairstyles and even changing their species, their names or their backstories. They even went so far and took someone's MLP fankids, changed their designs and their names and sold them as a commission, even though those OCs aren't theirs. And yeah, that's probably all I gotta say. Now Imma say that this person was toxic and envious of everyone, who had more subscribers than themselves. You should let people draw what they want and how they want to
@@jul1us.01 haha there's nothing wrong with that!! Simple art styles are neat af, it's just the act of judging someones face shape in a piece and then redrawing as if to fix it with an objectively not real face shape 😂😂
They do realize they’re technically body shaming characters right? Edit: I should’ve kept my mouth shut 😭 Edit #2: I’m sorry that I used the wrong pronouns for them. I didn’t pay attention and that was my bad on my part. Now stop bothering me for this. The last thing I want is for more people calling me a homophobe for making one mistake.
fr tumblr made me hate being skinny (due to fast metabolism). I tried eating a lot to gain weight and ended up getting sick. Theyre literally doing what assholes do to fat people. Nothings ever gonna get fixed if everything just repeats itself
@@Whatareevenbirds Same here, I take after the side of my family with a fast metabolism and I have been shamed for being skinny. Everyone is like "You have to eat more and stuff" Your body is perfect as long as you are not hurting your health. But guess what? I prove the people who shamed me wrong. I was skinny, but strong, and now I hold a school record. That was probably the best moment in my life. Which proves, weight doesn't matter.
Yeah, I've never understood the people who claim to be against "fatphobia" then just sit there attacking any skinny woman they can get their claws on. I completely agree that bullying people based on their weight isn't okay and making fun of people based on their weight isn't okay. But it's also not okay to attack skinny women for being skinny. It's not cool to attack fit women for putting in the effort and work to get fit. If you want to be accepted at whatever weight you happen to be, you need to accept others for whatever weight they happen to be.
I’m a “plus-sized” girl, and I can say, “desexualizing” a character through making them overweight is basically a huge slap in the face. It makes my confidence plummet. 😭 Edit: I’m still healing well, and have dropped a few pounds! Progress! Thank you all for the kind words! You all are so sweet! Also, there are some controversy in the replies, and I meant no harm! I’m just a teen artist voicing my opinion! Thank you my sunshines! Edit 2: I see my body in a different way. For all who are wondering, I do get regular workout time, as I am a field hockey goalie. I love the sport I play, and it helps me come out of my shell! Despite all the sweat and grime, I never feel more at home then when I am in my gear! Also, so much controversy in the replies! I love to see everyone’s opinions on this matter, but some are kinda rude. If you do want to ask anything, please just give a reply, I try to check everything once every week or two. And to all who made those rude replies, I should say I am a minor. 😅 Anyways, love you all my beauties! Have a nice week!
I'm overweight and frankly I'm not into big boobs -> sexy because of the harassment that has brought me...but I also find the act of artists making a character fat to desexualize them a bit insulting because some women love being big and sexy. Personally I need more smol, fat ladies being drawn as cute af when it's normally saved for smol and petite siiigh
The thing that made me laugh is that these artist are like “ I fIxEd ThIs ChArAcTeRs DeSiGn” as if the original artist are gonna wake up and say “omg I was wrong about my character design I’m gonna use your idea instead” 💀
I certainly wouldn't. I like making cool female characters. I remember doing two little doodles of a female Shinsengumi character and her sinister alter ego variant. Designing characters is easier said than done. I also remember being accused of being a racist not too long ago for creating undead nazi characters so I basically had to prove my innocence. When it comes to me creating villains, I just prefer to look at history for real life cases of evil instead of the generic evil warlock kidnapping the princess trope from fairy tale stories
“Stop sexualizing art!” *Proceeds to draw the character as a fat black woman as a counter to sexualized art, effectively calling this body type not sexy...*
Aight, obese people aren't attractive and that's basically an accepted thing between most people, why? I guess it's cuz it just doesn't look physically natural, we aren't supposed to have all that extra fat, and it's simply not healthy, I guess you could blame the food industry for making to much shit that makes people fat, but most of the time it's cuz that person has issues, but yeah maybe I'm just an asshole, you can curb stomp my opinion if you want to.
@@m-maufm2181 of course I know about gland problems for Christ's sake, I'm talking about people who willingly eat a shit ton of food and have no medical condition.
@@ditalivy8689 I agree, but even if they try to deny it as "It's my style! I draw bodies like that!", there is nothing they can say about chanking the skin colour
@@templar9240 just bc I don’t like someone doesn’t give me the right to disrespect them. I use they/them pronouns myself, and I wouldn’t want someone using different pronouns just because they don’t like me
"We aren't this weird ashy color, we have more reddish brown skin" I'm a black artist, and even I know that we as black people can come in cooler undertones. Mine are warm-neutral, but I know that we all don't have warm brown skin. Maybe the artist you're critiquing needs to understand how to color black and brown characters with a range of undertones, but calling cool undertoned black people "ashy" is not the call. Consider the movie Moonlight and how in the beginning of the movie it brought up how a black person with cool undertones can have a beautiful deep indigo color in the moonlight. (EDIT: Thank you so much for the likes everyone! 💖🥺 Please keep this conversation healthy and mature. I'd hate to repost it due to some troll.)
You would think someone so determined to make every anime character black for some reason would know black people have more than one skintone. I am a black artist and not every brown skinned character I make have reddish brown skin. So I guess every black person with cool undertones I met were just "super ashy".
Thanks for this comment. I'm an Indian chick with warm yellow undertones, and while some can argue that cooltoned dark skin is less common, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't worth depicting. Dark skin with blue undertones is absolutely stunning and I don't like that someone would write off that look as "ashy" and unattractive.
This is an interesting topic. There are many different skin tones. For black, and for white. Some people are just tanner than others. But there's literally not like one skin tone for each race, ya know?
he did use the wrong pronouns on them, he had to look at their bio at 7:50 and yet he still used the incorrect pronouns. at the top of their bio it states *they/them* . they use they/them and the entire vid he uses she/her. also I'm not supporting what they do to other artists work
I didn't know this madness is going on: Classic example of Dave Chapelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong" - instead of "fixing" other artists' work and nagging about a lack of representation, throw out your own stuff or support artists who create art you like - great video - what this Zeena does is basically bringing back the Mammie stereotype ,,, No thx -great and insightful video . don't know who you are but you've gained a new subscriber
I enjoy seeing other artists’ interpretations of characters as a thought exercise, like “What would this character look like if they wore a size 16 instead of an 8,” or “What if they were aged by 10 years?” Those are fun because it lets you see the character through different lenses and interpretations. But when it’s done because “This is broken and you should be grateful that I’m taking time out of my day to fix it,” it is often presented like they’re trying to stick a dog’s nose into the crap on the floor. It doesn’t make the artist change their style, it just makes it less enjoyable for them.
They really really want to make “unattractive” features normalized, but they draw it so ugly and awful. I’m a woman with a big nose and body hair, and they draw those traits so gross and disgusting it’s awful. There’s a way to draw body hair and traits that don’t fit the western standards without making them grotesque, hell even I know how to draw my own ugly traits attractive.
A big nose and body hair to me is attractive. If you are a good person and I think you're pretty then the body hair and big nose doesn't lessen my attention towards you
Same. I have a larger nose, and julian from the arcana has the same nose shape/size that fits the artstyle of the other characters making it obviously nog portrayed as "ugly" (julians actuallu p hot too which helps)
I have body hair and am definitely not conventionally attractive, but I also have a beautiful partner, inside and out, so I don't give a dang what I look like (besides hygiene and whatnot, duh lol). I prefer someone who likes me for me rather than my looks anyway. Upside to not being "AtTrAcTiVe," you are more likely to date someone who's true to you. I have no doubt you're a snacc tho ❤
She seems to have in general pretty strange views "LGBTQ muslim"... Those are literally things which the majority of muslims see as problematic and many think that LGBTQ people should be executed and in some muslim countries they actually are! That alone already shows that she just follows an sjw mindset, without thinking. I don't think her behaviour is very surprising. And also "body positivity", which is an originally good movement which promoted to not hate your body for things which you can't change, but was hijacked by fat people who don't want to work on their body.
I love it when people are criticizing body proportions specifically cause I get told that my drawings need to have bigger hands and that the hands are too small in proportion to the body, that my arts bad because of the proportions…. I use my own very small hands for reference photos
“fixing art” *proceeds to make every japanese character black, every single white character black, making every character fat, hairy, and saying they made the person less pretty
As someone who is, POC, big chested, and a bit on the bigger side- I already feel uncomfortable and still trying to come to terms with loving myself, and now the art community really out here trying to be “body positive” when it’s just the exact opposite. Like, it’s stuff like this why I was too scared to post art online for awhile, let alone touch Twitter.
you look beautiful no matter what :D we all humans r unique and beautiful in different ways. twitter is just a toxic place with lots of toxic ppl to deal with idk wuts wrong with toxic ppl that just wanna be mean on twitter for no reason. but always know that you r unique beautiful amazing pretty talented magnificent i hope u have a good day :) (srry if my spelling is messed up)
What alot of these peoples problems is just the fact that the characters are attractive like its ridiculous to me cause how insecure can they be with there own appearance that even fictional characters cant be attractive...but that's just how I see it like to them "How day you draw women attractive" lol
They’re not just drawings, their features have meaning just as much as their persona does, which in some cases coincide; anime heroine with blue hair vs red hair.
@@yakthekuza7296 it could be argued that annasui is trans, there's also that one 'female' prisoner in the beginning of stone ocean that has a pretty masculine body and was described as having been injected by 'male hormones'. i forget what the 3rd one was but that one was probably a dumb joke i made forever ago and lodged it in with the other two also there's sorbet/gelato and tiziano/squalo who are undoubtedly gay
"Desexualizing art" *proceeds to draw the character fat and black* Idk kinda racist and fat shaming Edit: i wasn't expecting this comment to blow up lol 🗿
exactly. if an art fixer finds the art too sexual and decides to make boobs smaller, darker skin, fat and whatever like?? theyre just shaming flat, black, and bigger people :/
I dont think its desexualizing to make someone darker but its desexualizing to make someone skinny and has big boobs into an obese person because "skinny people dont look like that so I fixed it" is desexualizing
a lot of these art fixers are looking exclusively at stylized Japanese art. Women in Japan are generally very small, there aren't many obese people or even overweight people in Japan at all because of the food that is most commonly eaten. To take a piece of Japanese art and make it overweight with freckles or obese and black is just the artist unintentionally expressing their hatred for Asian cultures.
I mean, yes and no? Obese people exist in Japan, but like... they go through a lot of criticism as I understand it. Many of them are hikkikomori. If you're a fat woman in Japan, I don't know much about the details of living in that sort of society, but from the bits I do know it seems unlikely you'll be treated as a valid human being.
Look, fixing art is disrespectful to the artists. If you wish to change the art, there is a little thing called...FANART. You know, where you can create a new piece in your own style, without editing or tracing existing art. You like Sailor Moon, but wish her hair to be more curly, and her colors more bold? Draw your own freaking version. Don't shame the original creators and go "Here I fixed it for you."
To be fair, there IS a lot of fatphobia in Asia, so drawing asian people who are overweight could be helpful for representation. otherwise yes I agree completely!
When Zeena said "the face is misshaped and the shading is horrible" then like calls it criticism like it's just straight up hate not even gonna tell em why it's 'horrible' or point out the mistake like actually* criticism or help the person improve just gonna call it horrible
...her art has misshaped face (literally looks square)and "horibble shading"(some part, its not even fully coloured)...i guess she is criticizing herself.
H I ,., The original artist did a better job (in my opinion). It really annoys me that they said it was “criticism”, but didn’t even give any pointers on how to improve. It isn’t constructive if it isn’t helpful. And hateful is not helpful. I also find it kinda weird that the put this emoji: ☺️ at the end, as if that makes up for the fact that they just called their drawing “misshapen” and their shading “hideous”. Like what the heck were they thinking when they decided to post that, or were they thinking at all???
they straight up called OP a roach like slam your fucking brakes it stopped being "constructive criticism" a sentence ago and bullying not one, but two people
At least make them Israeli and not European i never understood that, but i did hear that in a lot of places Jesus was depicted being closer to their own bodies in general so I can kinda see now
THE MAN HAD HIS ART FEATURED AT THE FREAKIN LOURVE, YA KNOW WHERE THE MONA LISA IS. If some random Twitter thot thinks they can fix that, they have something wrong
I disagree, his art is much better than Gucci and I personally don't like Gucci's fashion, but everyone has different tastes, but yeah that should be a crime!!!
@Dark Revenant Well, there are actual fans, toxic fans and people who just jumps the wagon because of memes without knowing anything. The same pretty much goes for every series. We just tend to notice them more (especially the bad ones) when the "community" is big.
Go watch this video next; th-cam.com/video/H8fcU4CKEq8/w-d-xo.html
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If somebody fixes my art, i'm gonna reply to them saying "i fixed your fix and made it better!" and proceed to send the original picture I made.
OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
You got em BOY!!!!
If it happens. Please send tweet link.
You absolute madlad, I salute you
YES 🤣
Yes friend gi ahead
What ‘fixing’ art is meant to be:
“You put your shadows to far left. Try moving them more to the right”
What people actually do:
“I don’t like the type of shoes your character is wearing.”
Trueee
Even if they're "fixing" it with good intentions (which i highly doubt), their concrit needs a lot of work. Constructive criticism should always be objective. This is literally what the opening of most artbooks i read say
There's a difference between constructive criticism and it meaning to improve your piece or your art style, and just saying to fix it because you don't like it.
@mega stryke Gameplay yes, if people are creating anything but abstract art, then it stands to reason that they must atleast check out the basic principles of art. i'm not talking about realistic anatomy. im saying structure, positioning of objects in a 3d space, the relationship of lights and shadows, color theory, etc.
criticism driven by subjective feelings will not help you discover what is the problem. say for example, an art that you feel is slightly off. you cannot fix that by thinking, "oh, i can't draw" or "ah this is bad art" the same way you cannot "fix" an art by saying "ah, this is offensive" or "my goodness, this doesn't support equality!" not only is the latter advice a matter of a problem regarding the themes the artist picks up, it is a criticism that evolves to being a criticism of the artist, rather than the (technical execution of) art, while staying on the frame of (technical execution of) art criticism.
of course, the topic of what people choose to draw, what is appropriate to draw, and whether other people online have a say in it is a whole 'nother topic entirely, which i'd rather not get into.
but staying on the "fixing art" topic, if you indeed want to be guided by basic art principles, the best way to improve would be to ask yourself "the shape feels too exaggerated" or "i have made the eyes a little too close, let's try to space it next time" rather than commiserate in self pity.
how you execute your art depends on you entirely, but you cannot force people to like it, the same way other people cannot force you to abide to said principles if you don't want to
"Your character isn't morbidly fucking obese"
I think they should be blue shoes not red.
Redrawing characters in a different art style for fun: 👍
“Fixing” and changing art to make you feel superior and degrading the artist work:👎
This. Absolutely this! 100%
THANK YOU finally someone says it
I agree with you 10000000000......%
like how much does it say about her that she literally thought 'this art isn't mine but I will put in effort to make it fit my standards and likings... even tho it's not mine'
And WITH PERMISSION
Ironic how they give out "constructive criticism" while they can't even take actual constructive criticism 😵
What's in the tea does it have abbachio pee in it? Cuz I'll drink it as fast as giorno
I dislike art fixers 😔
They think they're doing something really good, but they're spreading more hate instead. And don't even notice cause they have a victim mentality.
Hi Tayo
yeah i hate when she said "fixing art"
Lol dude, if you want make fat body and black skin, better and polite said it as fanart WITH body and race positively. Just learn more about fat body and skin anatomy. Not many being complain.
Hi Tayo I love your videos
Same Here
“Zeena Hates Fatphobia”
> Proceeds to “desexify” characters by making them fat.
Sure.
Yeah, I remember seeing a post where she "fixed" art and it disgusted me, she accused the original artist of sexualizing a minor (it was BNHA character, dunno the character's name though).
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 probably momo
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 probably ochalkoh, it was shown in the beginning of the video if that was the right one
Lookin at the context of the original manga, the character is traing to be a pro hero... I don't think that's the best time to be fat.
@@Egwise3463 Unless its a benefit to your quirk, which for her it isn’t.
“Fixing art” is like saying “I’m an asshole”
They should get in to a compilation of r/imapieceofshit then
And "Please punch me if you see me on the street" too, I think, lol.
“Fixing art” is also like saying “go ahead, beat me for being a hypocrite”
A vindictive one.
Lmao
I love how they say they hate fat phobia when their idea of “desexualizing characters” is making them fat, basically saying that you can’t be sexually attractive if you’re fat
I feel like Zeena is honestly incredibly racist tbh. And they have the audacity to think that White, Latina, Asian, Christian, Lightskin, Jewish, Other religion and race people DONT EXIST, then I think they need to go see a therapist. As a Muslim, slapping a hijab won’t make a character more normalized and desexualized. Although the purpose of the hijab was to show modesty, it doesn’t mean that every single non Muslim person should just slap more modest and covering clothes on characters, it’s utterly useless. It’s also just putting down other religions, making their hair the headscarf, turning socks into pants, it’s awful. Again, as a Muslim, I hope Zeena gets what they deserves.
I felt the same way, I was like I bet some characters she “fix” are from black artists that made the characters light skinned. She is just disrespecting a lot of people and cultures when she does that. How would she feel when someone fixes her art and criticizes her the same way. Probably mad or horrible.
zeena uses they/them pronouns, just informing you
@@squeaksshack thank you i will edit my comment
@@yamimimi9871 no problem:)
Ifkr. Not everyone wears hijab? Muslims arent defined by hijabs? Tf?
I agree, They can raise awareness or do whatever they like with making OCs, cuz changing others is very disrespectful to the artists or people who have similar bodies and been called "unrealistic"for being skinny or had curves, There is nothing "unrealistic" if it actually exists in reality LMAO
Infires Artworks omg I love you!
Yes this! Women with bigger breasts exist and it doesn’t have to be inherently sexual. You can be thinner and have bigger boobs, you can have an hourglass body, you can be a teenager but look like an adult, you can have bigger hips and thighs but still have abs of steel, etc.
I can understand how some costumes can be a bit sexualized, especially for female characters, but that doesn’t give you permission to attack someone else’s art and “fix” it.
I’m sorry, but as a woman, I actually follow some NSFW artists who draw their characters in a pin up style simply because I resonate with that body type. Robaato art for instance has work like that.
I get sometimes proportions can look weird because of stylization, but I feel like these art fixers are just projecting insecurities or trying to gain some sort of clout by virtue signaling rather than providing actual helpful tips or criticism.
blabla BLA I think that really depends on your genetic and hormonal structure. Some people store fat in more areas than others, some stay slim even during pregnancy, some are super sensitive to hormonal forms of birth control and will grow bigger in their breast area, and some have bigger thighs and butts, but are smaller up top. Estrogen is responsible for breast and hip growth, but your genetics influence your body structure.
Weight lifting can also push your chest muscles out to give the appearance of larger boobs, but fat loss will generally make them smaller.
I think it is about the context and history around as well. Many characters have their design to represent something in the same universe, to make us an idea of how they are like just by looking at them, you know the most basic rule of character design.
And still yeah, changing them just like it, it's not taking in consideration what was the actual meaning of the character's existence.
Kaica that’s true too or the environment that they live in.
Would calling “Art Fixers” the “Art Karens” be safe?
Yes
I agree
Yes
no because Karen is a slur, apparently.
hahahahahha
The worst part about zeefixesart is that she black washes them with colours that don’t even look black - they look like some alien skin colour or some horrible pigment altering disease. And she tells other artists that their proportion are messed up yet her proportions are even worse, her faces lack all detail, her shading is messy, her positions are unnatural and her proportions between the lower body and upper body are completely wrong. She ‘fixes’ art by making it 10x worse.
The creepshow one didn’t even have armpits. Just boob connect to arm.
Good point also btw black washing isn’t a thing!
@@al3ooya black washing is a thing, just as white watching is. It’s when you make change a characters race to be black
Blackwashing is just as real and hurtful as whitewashing
Exactly! She either makes the characters grey or a dark yellow!
Why don’t they just make their own OCs instead of “fixing” other people’s??
That would require her to be capable of surviving on her own merit.
The same reason so many people are rebooting and replacing characters. When they try to make their own "woke" projects and works, nobody likes it or gives it the time of day. To solve this problem they just attach it to some artist or property that people know and care about in order to trick people into giving it attention beyond its merits.
It takes creativity to come up with something yourself. Not so much to piggyback off other people's work.
She had at least one oc, who was subsequently fixed by another artist:
Basically a uno reverse card
Because that requires *some* skill and effort
Imagine you get your friend to draw you and they draw you having a whole different skin tone, being chubby/fat and having body hair saying that you have been 'fixed'.
I would just block them and never talk to them again 😀🤚
@@ihatemylife1.078 15 pound metal block to the head? Or a social media block? The first one is better in my opinion
What's wrong whit body hair ??
You talk like you dont have body hair
@@candykingdom2258 i do
But if someone drew me being chubby and black and said that they "fixed" me i would just never talk to them
"The face and body are disproportionate and hideous!!"
*proceeds to make their legs look like tree trunks, and noses take up 80% of the face*
Aaah elephant legs.... the classic "stylistic choice" of those who haven't figured out feet yet.
The big noses always felt a little racist to me. Like yeah, a lot of dark skinned people have larger noses but they dont take up the entirety of their faces
Ik right, like my nose is pretty big but goddamn not that much
You are fricking funny
Great now their making fun of ppl with tumors
As an artist I’ll never forget when I was sketching in class and two of my friends took it upon themselves to “fix” my art. I had drawn a woman with dread locks and slit pupils who was wearing a tank top, first thing they did was fill in the eyes to make them completely black, then they filled in the dreadlock all the way( I had left out where light was hitting her hair). Those two then focused on her chest telling me how I needed to work on my proportions, redrawing her collarbone to were it jutted out of her skin, and drawing a shirt over her tank top. I know this is dramatic but they did so many thing like that, this particular incident just stuck out because I was genuinely proud of how it turned out and when they changed it it was crushing to me.
They are just horrible people
I feel you, when I was in jr high I had severe depression and had a male friend I would talk to, I showed him a poem I had wrote basically about how bad I felt and he took out a pen and started correcting my spelling and then said a cheeky thing about how he can't help himself when he sees an error. I didn't consider him a friend after that. I was trying to open up to someone about how bad it was and how I just wanted to unalive and that was the response I got, gave me trust issues I have to this day.
I honestly feel you, it's just a disgusting feeling to have your art "fixed" this way
if someone ever told me their gonna """fix""" my art, I'm locking my drawings away in multiple safes, NO ONE touches my art pieces
ngl i would cry if some stranger on the internet "fixed" my art lol
I can imagine that. :( hope it will never happen to you.
I'd cry to.
Id cry too man, like, OF COURSE, I DON'T WORK ON MY CHARACTERS DESIGNS EVERYDAY IMPROVING THEM AND ADDING/TAKING OUT THINGS TO MAKE THEM MORE INTERESTING, AND OF COURSE I CAN BEAR THAT SOMEONE RANDOM OM THE INTERNET """"FIX""""" THOSE HARD-WORKED DESINGS BECAUSE OF A NON-EXISTENT RACISM ON MY DRAWINGS
I'm sorry, i got a little bit angry lol
Fix their face
Yeh same
One of the things I hate most about this “de-sexualizing” art is that it almost always involves making a female character’s breasts almost non-existent. While I can see the sexualizing issue in making a character’s breasts disproportionately big, like the Ochako art, removing a character’s breasts to prevent “sexualization” is also kind of creepy? As someone who developed a large cup size in my early teens, I have spent my whole life being shamed and sexualized for something I have no control over, and doing this to female characters and calling it “fixing” them just perpetuates that.
as someone who has no boobs it makes me sad too like does having small boobs mean i’m prohibited from expressing sexuality and shit like that
ibillisticsheep girl I feel that! And you better believe it doesn’t! The thing this artist doesn’t get is that sexuality is a spectrum that all humans exist on regardless of what our flesh prison looks like!
@@aj7952 flesh prison ajshdhdhdjskksk
Also isn't Ochako 16 or somethin, they really just drew a minor with huge hoohoos like wtf
@@comradedyatlov4143 It happens dude, and in Japan that's pretty far above age of consent, even in the US she would be at the age of consent. She's two years away from adulthood, people are usually at least somewhat developed by then.
“desexualising” characters by making them black, plus sized and hairy? Sooo they’re calling black, plus sized hairy people ugly? These body positivity movement people confuse me, are these bodies beautiful or not?
Yeah as a black woman that genuinely hurts me. People like that think they're doing good things for me when really they're just hurting people.
@@XxBunnytailxX this comment is underrated
Yeah its just so infuriating
The worst is that "desexualizing" them by changing their race and size and adding hair implies they see said race as unattractive which is a whole other can of worms
But they are ugly. Like who the fuck thinks a girl with hair in her chest is good looking wtf
What galls me is that she has all this audacity but her drawings are so bad. She fixes art by reducing its quality to the point where it's unrecognisable and unappealing?
brooo ikr calling one artists art "misshapen, hideous shading, being afraid of drawing fat women, etc" and then proceeding to draw the most same-face-syndrome face, shading the skin like a sausage of literal shit - which is the first description I came up with - and refusing to draw skinny people is just wowa. ig any kind of attention, positive or negative, is still attention.
here's a story. once, a long time ago, i drew fanart for a book character. i thought she was white, and did not know the character was a hawaiian native. someone commented on my picture politely pointing out my mistake, and i took the criticism and fixed it the next time i drew her. now that is called BEING A DECENT PERSON instead of trolling artists. thanks for coming to my tedtalk
THE GOOD ENDING
Finally some good fucking news 🙌
@@swaggaming4953 No. THE BEST ENDING.
it was literally this easy.
It’s a lot harder to tell a character’s exact appearance from a book unless the book has illustrations or accurate descriptions, it can be very easy to think someone has white skin but actually has black skin because it wasn’t explicitly stated. Illustrations are very helpful in figuring out how to accurately draw a character and understand their background, which is why I think most books should have some illustrations in them. And some images of the characters in color so you know their exact hair, skin, and eye colors.
Moral of the story: *don't* go to Twitter. Just don't even think about it.
I was thinking about it before. Thanks for the advice, throw that thoughts outside the window
@@Hans-nr2nh you're welcome
Welp, probably shouldn't make a twitter account now like i was planning to
@@Hans-nr2nh ikr
But I thrive off of the chaos
I'm deaf and just so you know, I really appreciate the fact that this had captions the whole way through
Im blind
@@miko5742 hol up
@@Lukxvsp thats the joke lads
I'm paralyzed
@@Lukxvsp ecolocation
Random artist: Hey I drew fanart of this character :)
Zeefixesart: Hey that woman isn’t fat! BURN IT
Or real.
If art "fixers" want better representation, all they have to do is draw new, original characters with that representation.
it’s like when big studios reboot characters to be gay. it’s not an original well thought out gay character, it’s just a shiny new label slapped on for the sake of “inclusivity”. i would much rather have a completely new diverse character rather than “fixing” an old one.
Literally was about to comment this. It’s really simple right?! Just make your own oc’s and boom. This person just has a major god-complex.
As they say, be the change you want to see in the world
Exactly what i was thinking, instead of "fixing" other people's art or "showing better representation" to a certain group of people, make an original character with an actual personality, background story, etc. That fits THAT character, instead of making some 15 y/o highschooler from an anime black
Omg, finally someone said it
Black people can be beautiful
Chubby people can be beautiful
But
Beautiful people don't have to be black or chubby
People really need to know this
PREACH.
yes.
Wise words
Preach 🙌
.🤔😑.
Hot take: changing someone’s race doesnt fix them. Ever, no matter the circumstance.
I mean, into a cat person might actually be the way...
@@theretrodragonyope uhh from a cat or into a cat
This isn’t a hot take this is a fact.
@@invalidpersn4496 give any character cat ears and its now better :)
@@squidsona8509 you're right, jotaro really needed the cat ears.
Hey guys!! Here’s a painting tip from an embalmer- always use a warmer undertone! We’ve all got red blood and that red will always show a bit through the skin tone. Those colors seem ashy due to green or blue hues in the color and that tends to make the subject look sickly or dead :)
there probably are exceptions like being in a cold dead winter?
"...I spent some time scrolling through Twitter..."
My condolonces. You brave, brave bastard.
He sarcrificed himself
A true soldier
A salute is earned
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Tachanka salutes him
Beware the corruption of the warp, brothers and sisters. The warp tear in realspace known as... 'Twitter'... must be navigated with the greatest caution, lest it draws you to heresy.
Keep your Gellar Fields up, and your faith in the EMPEROR strong.
"If you only want to see black skin just move to africa it really isn't that hard" I was dying that one caught me off guard lmao
U know black skins are not only from africa right?
@@demigawkondeeznu-5319 11:15
@@demigawkondeeznu-5319 he said it in the video I was just saying it was funny
Lmao
@@demigawkondeeznu-5319 watch the video.
“The proportions are hideuous!”
*makes the character into a literal bell with elephant legs and arms*
Lol
Yes, because every character with a healty bmi is oversexualized
*WHEEZE*
@@stevenbartel5008 Agreed
shits annoying and they look weird and all the fixed art is so bad
Imagine if a woman with g cups, or any other above average cup size, commissions a portrait of themselves. Those twitter dwellers will just go nuts
It's really problematic to "desexualise" art by making the character's boobs smaller. People need to realise that bigger boobs aren't inherently sexual. It creates so much insecurity, especially with people who are still growing.
i know, they say “your misogyny is showing” but really it’s their own because they always take away the tits
Yep they fail to realise that even female characters with mature bodies are meant to represent a kind of motherly figure, hence the wide hips and big boobs with often gentle faces because they're meant to convey a maternal message through artistic design.
Petite flat chest girls can be pretty hot too.
yeah its bodyshaming to call people with curvier bodies inherently sexual
@@Jestrath that isn’t a part of this conversation lmao
"the faces are misshapen and your shading is hideous"
proceeds to draw a picture with worse shading, less detailed face, and horribly vibrant purple lines and calls it fixed
That's what I was thinking, like, girl: If you're going to "fix" art, do it right
God the lineart made me so mad. Why are you using NEON PURPLE the only other spot you have purple is that teensy little bit for the iris. Even if they had more purple itd still look gross.
Maybe they have a different meaning for fix?
Anyways, the 'fixed' art isn't even art.. it's an abomination, a blasphemy to to the original artist.
I'm not an artist nor do I come from a family of artists/illustrators but I'm pretty sure most in our family can draw and color better than this 'art fixer'.
I know art is subjective but oh my GOD
@@mewhenmemeimeyea I understand sometimes people have a style, but blatantly ignoring/not understanding the basics of what makes art appealing or cohesive doesn't seem like a style choice to me lmao. My art used to look like utter crap and I made these same mistakes.
Maybe instead of 'fixing' they should design their own characters? If they want all their characters to be dark skinned and big then go ahead, I don't get why they force their beauty standards on others
t's frustrating because it's not even beauty standards. it's them thinking that people that have the same body type as anime characters don't exist (and sometimes they don't, but i mean generally speaking). if your idea of making a character un-sexy is making them chubby and black, maybe you're part of the problem you think you're solving (again, i mean "you" generally)
Because they suck on these people's fame like leeches and hope they get attention. They're so lazy they depend on much successful artists. Seriously, I don't even know how these people got followers.
Preach 🙌!
why is nobody shaming zeefixesart for blackwashing EVERY character?
the worst part is that most of the characters there 'fixing' are canonically asian and fit asian standards (short height, smaller body structure, medium - light skin) and then making them a completely different race and build because its more "realistic" also real women can have bigger bust sizes making them big isn't necessarily trying to sexualize them, by 'fixing' them your just further promoting the norm that big chests are inherently sexual (yes ik asian ppl can have darker skin im talking abt in most animes its medium to light witch is kinda annoying but still)
No no it's bc Asia don't exist
Not to mention, they made a certain anime character overweight. In this anime they train a lot. Like, a LOT. I would be suprised if they did this while being overweight, lol.
@@angie-jg4vr exactly lol??? It's completely realistic that she has that body lmaooo
Asian people can have dark skin tho
@@angie-jg4vr the same Anime also had a Movie which is show 3 American Character for a Scene,they are with Different skin tones and beatifully drawn
Yet SJW Society hates Spreading this kind of Wholesome stuff and spread hate instead
Imagine someone going to a museum and saying something like "I'm gonna fix this Piccaso painting. The perspective is so off. Cubism is just wrong."
Most people doing this are art students, basically kids who wanna feel strong and right.
@Al X. Andra lmao, i have to look this up
@Al X. Andra no way. You got a link? I gotta see this
@Al X. Andra i need to see
"The Mona Lisa doesn't even have eyebrows I'ma fix that!"
Female character: *Literally just standing up and happens to be kinda attractive*
Twitter fixers: OMG STOP OVERSEXUALIZING FEMALE CHARACTERS ! 😤
I feel like most of the people drawing women are women themselves
Erf don't look the show if you don't like its characters
Exactly, apparently women can't be attractive anymore.
The thing is, the people claiming that the characters should by "desexualized" are actually the only ones sexualizing the characters. Nobody sees the art as "sexual" until certain people claim that the characters are "oversexualized". It's twisted.
They're insecure
I feel like fixing art could be positive when done privately. Sometimes I would take professional art and try to find out the mistakes so I could evolve as an artist, however I NEVER post them. It’s just for me alone to learn from, just like how tracing could help.
Thank god at last someone said people are using BLM as a shield for their own selfish desires.
Yep. I feel like at this point the BLM name has been tarnished by people who use it like that. It's sad, really.
I feel like the fixing art people using it doesn’t really effect it in any meaningful capacity
I can only imagine the exasperation actual BLM activists feel about entitled white kids and mega-corporations abusing the movement to shill for their own art and products. To say nothing of the people treating protests like wild parties or using it to promote more politically divisive views and only giving alt-right conspiracy theorists credibility when they smear the actual peaceful protesters.
I refuse to associate with the edgelord socialists on Twitter and never getting a Tumblr account was one of my best decisions as a young artist (although Twitter is just Tumblr now, so...), but I was kind of hoping that my fellow left-of-center people would take the time to reflect and realize the more subtle ways we promote systemic racism, even if we’re not trying to be “racist.” Or at least learn to draw black joy.
But no, we have to fixate only on the blatant racists in the Deep South to make sure we never feel bad about ourselves and continue to cluelessly wonder why Black Republicans exist.
@@JeffreyThrash Big oof, mate.
Sometimes people forget that anime characters are mostly ASIANS and not WHITE
THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT FIRST.
Exactly
T h a n k y o u
Ikr? Like most of these characters have Japanese names, of course they're asians
Honestly? I wouldn't call anime characters Asian, either. Anime characters are their own species of human, in my opinion.
I mean come on.
What real person can do their hair like that so consistently?
I love how they claim everyone one else is being fat phobic but they draw some of the most stereotypical plus size women ever.
and cover the whole body with huge clothing. like a big girl shouldn't show her legs, arms, or her decolletage (ah, yes, it's sexualized!!)
Exactly, I’m not an expert artist, my art is on the rather meh/decent side, but even I can tell that the proportions are wrong, even for a cartoon.
Farphobia doesn’t exist
plus size 💀
@@agirloncrack4413 imagine scare to fart
I love how they taking every anime character and turning them black.... Anime is made in JAPAN.... Most people in anime are JAPANESE
And when they make anime in places outside Japan like Banana fish (took place in America) for example they went out their way and drew black characters and Chinese characters, gave them personality, making it all so real.... And ✨ DIVERSE ✨
artists be like "i'm going to be so diverse and so inclusive of POC" and then draw the lovelive girls as black as if asians aren't POC
According to a lot of them Asians aren't. To them being a POC is something they can take away or give out based on how they feel
Because Asians are quite obviously only Chinese, Japanese or Korean duhhhhhhhhhhh. I mean Asia is a tiny continent, so it isn’t like there’s a ton of Asians with darker skin. All Asians are pale af duhhhh.
ikr... and they call anime guys who are japanese white boys and turn them into black characters.. love the asian erasure
White is a color too if we're playing this game. Like everyone on the planet is on one team and then white ppl are on the other team... That's bullshit.
@@shaderyph white technically isn't a color. But also, we didn't make those rules, white people did. When they stop believing that and behaving that way, probably POC will too. (Source-someone whose ancestors were only considered 3/5 of a human by white people.)
As a professional artist, we also have to deal with people higher on the chain then us that tell us how to draw stuff. I've had to sexualize characters I did not want to sexualize before or do design changes I did not want to do. Artists in the industry don't always get to draw what they want, and rarely do we get away with things we like.
It's fine because you are working with an art director/manager with a vision and target audience. You don't gain anything from these troll artfixers.
Unless this art fixer is a pro, most of the time they just want a different style from your drawing. You and the artfixer wont gain any money from it, just bad attention.
I was called a pedophile for drawing a clothed character (who looked like an adult because I suck at drawing teens) witnessing a NSFW situation. All because of their canon age.
Anime is as diverse as anything already. But why is it that when there is a Darker-skinned character, they automatically assume they are black?
Its as if South-east Asians, Polynesians or any other darker skinned race doesn't exist.
Filipino-American here, hi, I am a person, I exist as an Asian with darker skin
idk abt the artist man but why do they make characters have darker skin and bigger sized to make it less feminine
I'm also a black asian
Im tanned but my feet is bit dark. Also my upper part of body(chest to head) when exposed to sunlight it looks light.
also i was born pale skinned before
I'm half Polynesian, tan and mistaken for SE Asian
I would be upset if someone "fixed" my art but i kinda agree with this one 1:26
It seems that Zee has forgotten that skinny and curvy women DO exist
ngl I feel like zeena might have some type of animosity towards skinny/curvy women because what they consider "fixed" is plus sized
@@chelsea2080 yeah bro they make them morbidly obese and call it fixing
Fun fact: she's insecure and makes anything that looks actually good bad and FAT (I have nothing against that kinda art, but hers just sux lmao)
The only art she ever "fixed" was always women, never men. And it's always something that's already beautiful and good, so she ruins it and calls it fixed in order to satisfy herself rather then trying to lose weight or anything like that. That kind of insecure is disgusting.
Just imagine being so insecure you'd rather try and force the same thing on others rather then trying to change. That's so sad lmao
@@mr.ddhemmalshehri5611 exactly! what puts me off is that they claim that they're fixing art to prevent "oversexualizing" it. they're contradicting their self because that means they think that being black, fat and having body hair can stop someone from being sexy. imagine being so "woke" that you become racist. also I believe they go by they/them pronouns
“Art Fixers” are not artists. Real artists realize that there’s a concept called style. Real artists also know that if something annoys you, you just don’t listen to it
Real artists can create something new
art fixers are like when a toddler finds you anniversary photo and takes a dump on it then scribbles on it with snoty crayons
@@thebananabeast2322 I do that on magazines or books, and I'm 16 🤦🏽♀️
Real artists bring up other artists and support them in their endeavors, they also give c o n s t r u c t i v e criticism when it's explicitly asked for
Like he said in the video art is subjective.
If Zee makes characters fat to "desexualise them" then they're basically saying that being fat isn't attractive. And they claim to hate fatphobia?
She's probably asserting some sort of fat fetish in front of us
She's past morbidly obese and dieing based on the screen cap of her profile.
For some perspective I'm 198 cm and weigh 4 to 6 kgs more than her.
Well it isn't
The hypocrisy
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My perspective on character redesigns in military terms:
Original character is the M1 Abrams, original and good with its variants
The redesigned is the Abrams X and oh God, it's ruined
imagine "desexualizing" a character by making them fat, you're basically saying fat people can't be sexually attractive
also, those people must have not heard of fat fetishists. There are plenty of "sexualized" fat characters all over the internet, so I don't know how they think being obese = "not sexualized" since there are plenty of people who think otherwise.
I was gonna make the same point about how zeena makes every “desexualized” character black too 😔
Most of the the time when people find my body attractive it’s a fetish😀, I’m sure people that do it genuinely exist... but not very many
And also making their boobs smaller? As if big boobs should be shamed and covered bc they are inherintly sexual appereantly like i hate my chest for other reasons(gender dysphoria)...but i would slap a bitch if they said i need to hate my big chest bc it's big and thusly inherintly sexual like i may hate them they ain't sexual!
@@Josku2411 I'm male but GOD. I have seen so many other people call a woman a slut behind her back all because she has a big chest, even if they're wearing something fully clothed- like a sweater.
I have actually seen someone being called a whitewasher for drawing black people's palms in a lighter tone. How many of these people even know any black people?
literally *everyone's* palms are lighter than their overall skin tone, it's basic anatomy smh
@@ariarommy2346 same
People acussing others of whitewaser for palletes and shadows make me sick
I read somewhere that everyone’s palms, regardless of race, have less melanin than the rest of your skin, so your palms will usually be lighter than the rest of you
@@freshbread4039 true, it's just more noticeable in darker skin tones
The things they add to “de-sexualize” the art makes me feel so insecure such as chubbiness and body hair.
Yeah she's basically a bigot going around accusing people of bigotry.
Don't listen to the twitter bigots, you're beautiful the way you are
You can be beautiful in any way, please don't feel bad about yourself because of some Twitter troll!
Don’t worry about the trolls on Twitter, they have nothing better to do than show their true colors. You are lovely the way you are!! ^^sending hugs and hearts your way 💕💕
@@kboombite no lmao
One time I drew a self portrait and posted it on twitter and there was a guy that darkened the skin color because he thought I was drawing a black character but I'm filipino so I totally meant to draw it tan. ;--;
as i read the comments im starting to think people think that any character with brown skin is black... as if there are not other races with brown skin...
Zeena doesn’t realize that “fixing” someone’s art says more about *themselves* than the actual person who made the art.
By making the characters darker, hairier, and chubbier, Zeena is basically saying that they find these types of people unattractive.
Thats true just the disrespect.
the account was a troll account I believe so they purposely were making crappy art
@@ProGamerManski nope she's not a troll @v@
@@nevadash zeena uses they/them pronouns :>
@@squeaksshack oh oops sorry I forgot
Thx for reminding me tho
imagine doing a self portrait and someone comes by and "fixes" it by forcing you to do blackface lmaooo
Wow, if they fix self portraits in that way, they’re such dumbasses that don’t deserve the ability to hold a pencil or access the internet
@@AcidArrestB and thats a fact!
@@AcidArrestB thqt actually happens
I actually read a comment where this happened to someone
There's an comment about an person who went through the same thing
-not everybody is black
-not everyone has leg hair
-not everyone is obese
-women are allowed to have boobs
雨がすき I seriously don’t understand the hate against boobs?? Women always had boobs, it’s not even a sexual organ, it’s to feed babies.
Poof It’s mainly because women were overly sexualized in mainstream media, so now anything resembling those styles is seen in a bad light. Obviously there are people with those body types, but it was huge boobs, a big butt and an hourglass figure that wasn’t proportionate with the rest of her body. It’s definitely wrong how women’s shapes are being cherry picked or disregarded though
Why is it like no one is allowed to have a body type like that even though they can’t control it’s
@@hannahz3377 not everything has to be realistic, not everything has to be neutral, there is content that is sexual and meant to target certain people over others, and there is nothing wrong with that, specially when we are talking about characters, do you want artists to change what they like to draw so you feel better?
Elbin Alejandro Feliz Gonzalez Huh? I was just answering the question. The thing is, more body shapes are being drawn now, so it’s better, but constantly only having one body type to please one type of audience when it’s aimed at a different audience isn’t the way to go. I don’t care what the producers do or what ends up getting drawn, but a lot of girls struggle with their image because of constantly comparing themselves to figures like this or getting overly sexualized because they have the “desired” body type. Besides, why would there be sexual content in anime or shows aimed for kids and teens? Also, the character designer is in charge of what the character looks like, so even if the animators wanted to change the body shape, they aren’t allowed to. Hope this answers your question :)
How fixing art should be:
“Give the character some more personality in their poses, therefore they won’t look like 🧍♂️”
What it’s like:
“I don’t like the skin tone”
Dude it’s not just the fact that she “fixes” art that pisses me off but her art itself is genuinely drawn terribly and colored and shaded terribly it’s hard to look at
*They, but yes. Their art is quite hard to look at and while I hate criticizing stylistic choices, I don't like their way of coloring and shading.
I don't understand why these obvious amateur artists feel like they are in any way authorities on this. She's just plain arrogant on top of everything else.
@Correct Opinion Excuse me?
@@Sabartio they use they/them pronouns, and as much as they suck, its still important to treat them with basic human respect
@@AquaticFlower2233 I feel like you need step outside more if that is what you consider "basic human respect."
fixing art: not ok.
redrawing art in your own style: totally ok.
Yup! There's artists around the Internet who actually post DTIYS (draw this in your style) and it's so nice to see different styles together
I agree to this too!
Fixing art is degrading to the artist. It shows that the fixer has no respect for the art, character, or artist that they're "fixing" the art of.
Redrawing art in a different style is, for most, flattering. It shows the redrawer has respect for the artist, the art, and the character, and simply wants to see how it would look drawn in their own style.
There's such a big difference between these two things and it's pretty much all to do with the way it's done. You can more than fairly redraw art and politely give pointers to the original artist in a constructive and friendly way, such as going, "I thought a brighter shading palette accentuated their skin and hair better. If you'd like, I could share the shading palette I used so you can try it out yourself."
When re drawing artist either use a hashtag DTIYS or ask the original artist if we can draw their art (unless it's an anime series cause that's fanart).
Yes love this comment!
Not to be mean but most of these artist that fix other people's art aren't even good artist, instead of "fixing" other people's art why don't they get good enough to make the art they want to see
in their head they have an understanding of art so they feel entitled to explain to others why their opinions and methods are better. sad,
this
I agree. Fixing ppl's arts are like...criticizing someone's food and adding salt to it and say "hey I fixed yer shitty food. the one you spent an hour doing, in just two seconds" It's kinda sad.
But onto the point of the video: Zeefixart's account is hella suspicious. profile pic of a black gay muslim girl whose name is adultery--that's not...am I just blind? I really don't see how anyone could have so much _edge._
They should first off start getting rid of their mental illness that is an inconvenience to everyone
Ye
As a Muslim, I am DISGUSTED and very ASHAMED on Zeena’s actions. I would like to apologize to everyone, for having some bad apples in our community.
the thing she is muslin and member of lgbtq is crazy
I’m a heavy set girl and I feel like this girl that “fixes” art is making fun of not only my body type, but every other girls. She’s saying that the way to draw someone not sexualized is to make them big and she’s saying that it’s not ok to draw any other size or skin tone than what she draws because it’s not right. Everyone is different and not ever girl looks the way she’s drawing them. If she wants to advocate she should make her own art and not try to “fix” anyone else’s.
Aye aye
Agreed
AGREEED
I actually noticed that I draw smaller body types a while back.. And being on the chubbier side, I wanted to do more drawings like “me” and have been working on proportions so I can better myself in that area 🤗 Also, don’t think I’ve ever really done a POC drawing .. mainly because I suck at coloring LOL and I personally like the sketchy look of my drawings 🤷🏽♀️ but I’m sure there are couple of ways to show diversity in art without colors. 🤗
@@MsSmileyKay good luck! and there are ways to show diversity without color because there are certain features that portray certain skin tones.
people shouldn’t just call it “fixing”, it’s like saying it’s wrong or broken...
“redesigning” with their own twist or something like that is non-conflictive..
True... I'm always interested in seeing other people's takes on popular characters but it doesn't always mean that they're trying to be better than canon. At the end of the day it's mostly just harmless fun and completely different than going after a specific artist's characters/art and claiming to have "fixed" their content. That's disrespectful at best.
I feel like it makes more sense to say redrew instead of fixed since fixed implies something was wrong or broken about the drawing
There is a difference between redesigning something because it's a cool idea and wanting to try it out and "redesigning" something because it doesn't fit your overly high moral standards and having a complete disregard for development, context etc
Yes they should call it “minding other artists’ business”
Plus half of the time their skill level is, objectively, way lower than the original artist.
What offends me most is that they call it "fixing art." Art is not broken. Imagine working hard on a character design that you're passionate about... Only to have someone redraw your work and claiming it's fixed -- implying that not only that your work is poor, but the fixer artist can design your own character better than you.
That's akin to a fanfic writer rewriting a book/show, changing almost everything, and then saying its "better than the original show." Shameful. Disgusting. Disrespectful.
I 100% Agree.
Fixing is repairing an objectively broken thing, as if there was any such thing in art.
Agreed. Should be called "Drawing it on my style" not "Fixing it"
If I was an artist I would be confused then laugh at the sheer craziness of someone imagining they are fixing my creation.
@@johnglue1744 same
Oh my. I remember I once had a friend on deviantart who was an art fixer, but they now deleted their account and we lost contact (luckily). I remember at that time, I was highly engaged in the My little Pony fandom and we met when that person was critizising a really popular MLP artist (Velveagic Sentry) because of envy. I feel ashamed now, bc at that time, I was envious of Velveagic as well, so I listened to that person and talked to them. First, I agreed that they had a point. They mainly critizised Velveagic for always using bases instead of fully drawing their art themselves. However, soon they started critizising everything on her and also on other MLP speedpainters with a lot of subscribers and they took their designs and made redesigns of them, as if it was forbidden to use a certain kind of color combination or color saturation. I remember they always critizised those people using too bright colors for their fankids, although the show itself has a very bright color palette. So they changed everything onto their OCs, making the colors dull, altering the hairstyles and even changing their species, their names or their backstories. They even went so far and took someone's MLP fankids, changed their designs and their names and sold them as a commission, even though those OCs aren't theirs. And yeah, that's probably all I gotta say. Now Imma say that this person was toxic and envious of everyone, who had more subscribers than themselves. You should let people draw what they want and how they want to
"her face is misshapen" *original drawing looks like a normal face"
meanwhile redrawn piece has a circle for a face
Honey...
Your head isn’t a perfect circle inconceivable!!!
It's the "honey" for me.
The fact that her “fixed drawing” looks like it was drawn by a second grader is so funny to me
"Circle for a face"
Me & my art style: **nervously sweats**
@@jul1us.01 haha there's nothing wrong with that!! Simple art styles are neat af, it's just the act of judging someones face shape in a piece and then redrawing as if to fix it with an objectively not real face shape 😂😂
They do realize they’re technically body shaming characters right?
Edit: I should’ve kept my mouth shut 😭
Edit #2: I’m sorry that I used the wrong pronouns for them. I didn’t pay attention and that was my bad on my part. Now stop bothering me for this. The last thing I want is for more people calling me a homophobe for making one mistake.
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tumblr made me hate being skinny (due to fast metabolism). I tried eating a lot to gain weight and ended up getting sick.
Theyre literally doing what assholes do to fat people. Nothings ever gonna get fixed if everything just repeats itself
Catherine Gomez I’m sorry to hear that
Which is the reason why people like her doesn't have ANY right to claim to be against body shaming if she's the very thing she claims to hate.
@@Whatareevenbirds Same here, I take after the side of my family with a fast metabolism and I have been shamed for being skinny. Everyone is like "You have to eat more and stuff" Your body is perfect as long as you are not hurting your health. But guess what? I prove the people who shamed me wrong. I was skinny, but strong, and now I hold a school record. That was probably the best moment in my life. Which proves, weight doesn't matter.
Yeah, I've never understood the people who claim to be against "fatphobia" then just sit there attacking any skinny woman they can get their claws on. I completely agree that bullying people based on their weight isn't okay and making fun of people based on their weight isn't okay. But it's also not okay to attack skinny women for being skinny. It's not cool to attack fit women for putting in the effort and work to get fit. If you want to be accepted at whatever weight you happen to be, you need to accept others for whatever weight they happen to be.
I’m a “plus-sized” girl, and I can say, “desexualizing” a character through making them overweight is basically a huge slap in the face. It makes my confidence plummet. 😭
Edit: I’m still healing well, and have dropped a few pounds! Progress! Thank you all for the kind words! You all are so sweet! Also, there are some controversy in the replies, and I meant no harm! I’m just a teen artist voicing my opinion! Thank you my sunshines!
Edit 2: I see my body in a different way. For all who are wondering, I do get regular workout time, as I am a field hockey goalie. I love the sport I play, and it helps me come out of my shell! Despite all the sweat and grime, I never feel more at home then when I am in my gear!
Also, so much controversy in the replies! I love to see everyone’s opinions on this matter, but some are kinda rude. If you do want to ask anything, please just give a reply, I try to check everything once every week or two. And to all who made those rude replies, I should say I am a minor. 😅
Anyways, love you all my beauties! Have a nice week!
Hey you are beautiful and those “Art fixers” are just dumb and remember love yourself 😁😁
@@chicken9721 aww thanks! I’m a lot better now, but this sort of stuff still hurts a bit.
@@ClawvsDoge I know I wish fat shaming would stop to I am also on the plus side and if you need someone to talk to I am here 😁
I'm overweight and frankly I'm not into big boobs -> sexy because of the harassment that has brought me...but I also find the act of artists making a character fat to desexualize them a bit insulting because some women love being big and sexy.
Personally I need more smol, fat ladies being drawn as cute af when it's normally saved for smol and petite siiigh
It's almost as if they're saying if someone is overweight or obese and/or black they can't be sexy.
Can I please live my non-obese, fairs-skinned, un-flat life in peace??
The thing that made me laugh is that these artist are like “ I fIxEd ThIs ChArAcTeRs DeSiGn” as if the original artist are gonna wake up and say “omg I was wrong about my character design I’m gonna use your idea instead” 💀
I certainly wouldn't. I like making cool female characters. I remember doing two little doodles of a female Shinsengumi character and her sinister alter ego variant. Designing characters is easier said than done.
I also remember being accused of being a racist not too long ago for creating undead nazi characters so I basically had to prove my innocence. When it comes to me creating villains, I just prefer to look at history for real life cases of evil instead of the generic evil warlock kidnapping the princess trope from fairy tale stories
“Stop sexualizing art!”
*Proceeds to draw the character as a fat black woman as a counter to sexualized art, effectively calling this body type not sexy...*
Aight, obese people aren't attractive and that's basically an accepted thing between most people, why?
I guess it's cuz it just doesn't look physically natural, we aren't supposed to have all that extra fat, and it's simply not healthy, I guess you could blame the food industry for making to much shit that makes people fat, but most of the time it's cuz that person has issues, but yeah maybe I'm just an asshole, you can curb stomp my opinion if you want to.
@@jery3385 WHAT
@@KyngD469 I don't even know, I just don't like obese people thinking it's natural to have so much fat.
@@jery3385 you do know that some medical conditions makes you fat ?
@@m-maufm2181 of course I know about gland problems for Christ's sake, I'm talking about people who willingly eat a shit ton of food and have no medical condition.
I just love how they don't realize that 'fixing' an anime character that is supposed to be Japanese and turning them black is racist...
Or changing women’s bodies to make them less “sexual” is misogynistic and weird body shaming
@@ditalivy8689 I agree, but even if they try to deny it as "It's my style! I draw bodies like that!", there is nothing they can say about chanking the skin colour
@@LuckyRenn Very true
Yeah it's like when people take an African character and then redraw them as a white person..
@@LuckyRenn facts though
11:28 remember that song with the sea shells that said "it doesn't matter of they hate you, if they all say your name"
they drawin legs like they’re characters from my little pony 💀
They use they/them pronouns btw
@@aceofstrawberries3638 oop sorry, thank you for telling! i’ll fix that now
@@templar9240 just bc I don’t like someone doesn’t give me the right to disrespect them. I use they/them pronouns myself, and I wouldn’t want someone using different pronouns just because they don’t like me
@@templar9240 Pronouns are pretty important to different people, as Barney said they prefer they/them pronouns, its more a show of respect imo.
@@templar9240 "I" is also an pronouns. You know that, right?
"We aren't this weird ashy color, we have more reddish brown skin"
I'm a black artist, and even I know that we as black people can come in cooler undertones. Mine are warm-neutral, but I know that we all don't have warm brown skin. Maybe the artist you're critiquing needs to understand how to color black and brown characters with a range of undertones, but calling cool undertoned black people "ashy" is not the call.
Consider the movie Moonlight and how in the beginning of the movie it brought up how a black person with cool undertones can have a beautiful deep indigo color in the moonlight.
(EDIT: Thank you so much for the likes everyone! 💖🥺 Please keep this conversation healthy and mature. I'd hate to repost it due to some troll.)
You would think someone so determined to make every anime character black for some reason would know black people have more than one skintone. I am a black artist and not every brown skinned character I make have reddish brown skin. So I guess every black person with cool undertones I met were just "super ashy".
I'm a beginner artist, and undertones are still a bit new to me, but yeah, I always try to consider stuff like that. So that's good to know!
Thanks for this comment. I'm an Indian chick with warm yellow undertones, and while some can argue that cooltoned dark skin is less common, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't worth depicting. Dark skin with blue undertones is absolutely stunning and I don't like that someone would write off that look as "ashy" and unattractive.
@@virginnocence I happen to be an Indian chick with olive undertones lol
This is an interesting topic. There are many different skin tones. For black, and for white. Some people are just tanner than others. But there's literally not like one skin tone for each race, ya know?
I love how calm and anti toxic Mohammad is, instead of escalating the drama, great points
he did use the wrong pronouns on them, he had to look at their bio at 7:50 and yet he still used the incorrect pronouns. at the top of their bio it states *they/them* . they use they/them and the entire vid he uses she/her. also I'm not supporting what they do to other artists work
@@noya._.vibin._ Maybe he forgot or something? But yeah, it still is *kinda* rude, but I don’t think he meant to be rude
I may have this wrong but "Mohammad" was a prophet known for his patience, becoming the most important prophet in Islam. Maybe that's why but idk
He should be the norm and standard of youtubers making contents like this. This guy is one of a kind.
Agreed
I didn't know this madness is going on: Classic example of Dave Chapelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong" - instead of "fixing" other artists' work and nagging about a lack of representation, throw out your own stuff or support artists who create art you like - great video - what this Zeena does is basically bringing back the Mammie stereotype ,,, No thx -great and insightful video . don't know who you are but you've gained a new subscriber
I enjoy seeing other artists’ interpretations of characters as a thought exercise, like “What would this character look like if they wore a size 16 instead of an 8,” or “What if they were aged by 10 years?” Those are fun because it lets you see the character through different lenses and interpretations.
But when it’s done because “This is broken and you should be grateful that I’m taking time out of my day to fix it,” it is often presented like they’re trying to stick a dog’s nose into the crap on the floor. It doesn’t make the artist change their style, it just makes it less enjoyable for them.
They really really want to make “unattractive” features normalized, but they draw it so ugly and awful. I’m a woman with a big nose and body hair, and they draw those traits so gross and disgusting it’s awful.
There’s a way to draw body hair and traits that don’t fit the western standards without making them grotesque, hell even I know how to draw my own ugly traits attractive.
Body hair IS natural no shame !!
A big nose and body hair to me is attractive. If you are a good person and I think you're pretty then the body hair and big nose doesn't lessen my attention towards you
@Glaze96 lmao what is wrong with you? I like those features so what?
Same. I have a larger nose, and julian from the arcana has the same nose shape/size that fits the artstyle of the other characters making it obviously nog portrayed as "ugly" (julians actuallu p hot too which helps)
I have body hair and am definitely not conventionally attractive, but I also have a beautiful partner, inside and out, so I don't give a dang what I look like (besides hygiene and whatnot, duh lol). I prefer someone who likes me for me rather than my looks anyway. Upside to not being "AtTrAcTiVe," you are more likely to date someone who's true to you. I have no doubt you're a snacc tho ❤
zee: i hate fatshaming!
also zee: fatshames by insinuating being fat is unattractive when "desexualizing" characters
I just wanna tell you your icon looks so cool where did you get the original picture
@@matcha6375 the anime is toilet bound hanako kun! its really good!
She seems to have in general pretty strange views "LGBTQ muslim"...
Those are literally things which the majority of muslims see as problematic and many think that LGBTQ people should be executed and in some muslim countries they actually are! That alone already shows that she just follows an sjw mindset, without thinking.
I don't think her behaviour is very surprising.
And also "body positivity", which is an originally good movement which promoted to not hate your body for things which you can't change, but was hijacked by fat people who don't want to work on their body.
bro you just hit the bird man. Now she has no argument to draw the way she draws. Wat she gonna do now bro?
@@sossnoss oh yeah I forgot about that anime gonna watch it tonight thx for reminding me about it
I love it when people are criticizing body proportions specifically cause I get told that my drawings need to have bigger hands and that the hands are too small in proportion to the body, that my arts bad because of the proportions…. I use my own very small hands for reference photos
“fixing art” *proceeds to make every japanese character black, every single white character black, making every character fat, hairy, and saying they made the person less pretty
SJWs are some of the biggest fucking hypocrites
what would she do if the character she trying to fix is black
@@davidgreen1236 probably keep the character the same.
@@nyctophile_ghost1762 They are not an SJW... they are just a racist creep
@@davidgreen1236 their pronouns are they/them
As someone who is, POC, big chested, and a bit on the bigger side- I already feel uncomfortable and still trying to come to terms with loving myself, and now the art community really out here trying to be “body positive” when it’s just the exact opposite. Like, it’s stuff like this why I was too scared to post art online for awhile, let alone touch Twitter.
you look beautiful no matter what :D we all humans r unique and beautiful in different ways. twitter is just a toxic place with lots of toxic ppl to deal with idk wuts wrong with toxic ppl that just wanna be mean on twitter for no reason. but always know that you r unique beautiful amazing pretty talented magnificent i hope u have a good day :) (srry if my spelling is messed up)
I'm here for you. tell me your problems. i care. also like my video. do it now.
What alot of these peoples problems is just the fact that the characters are attractive like its ridiculous to me cause how insecure can they be with there own appearance that even fictional characters cant be attractive...but that's just how I see it like to them "How day you draw women attractive" lol
Bruh I got Classes + Procrastination demons to deal with, I wanna work on art right now lol
i liked your video.. now dont forget to drink
Im struggling to have inspiration to draw lmao
I can’t anything perfectly
That's not even "fixing" anymore.
Just "destroying" 🗿
"They aren't realistic"
Ofc they're not, they're drawings.
Do art fixers not have a brain??
Lol you just read my mind
@John Emmanuel We already have the controversial term "Special Snowflakes" tho
I feel you're giving them way too much credit to even address them as "art fixers"
@@decalcomanie123 yea my bad, they should be called "impossibly stupid people"
They’re not just drawings, their features have meaning just as much as their persona does, which in some cases coincide; anime heroine with blue hair vs red hair.
THEY TOUCHED JOJO CHARACTERS NOOOO- I bet they don’t even watch the anime
its funny, especially considering how jojo is a pretty inclusive series (there's like 2-3 trans guys and 2 gay couples)
@@calico.5588 I thought the same exact thing
calico ! Wait there are trans people in JoJo? Not to come off as transphobic or anything, but I don’t remember
*insert jojo reference
@@yakthekuza7296 it could be argued that annasui is trans, there's also that one 'female' prisoner in the beginning of stone ocean that has a pretty masculine body and was described as having been injected by 'male hormones'. i forget what the 3rd one was but that one was probably a dumb joke i made forever ago and lodged it in with the other two
also there's sorbet/gelato and tiziano/squalo who are undoubtedly gay
"Desexualizing art"
*proceeds to draw the character fat and black*
Idk kinda racist and fat shaming
Edit: i wasn't expecting this comment to blow up lol 🗿
exactly. if an art fixer finds the art too sexual and decides to make boobs smaller, darker skin, fat and whatever like?? theyre just shaming flat, black, and bigger people :/
Yeah and as a fat and black girl, it kinda hurts XD
@@beediverse9086 as an asian, it's also hurt, i was wondering what's wrong with my skin tone?! :""
@@Natjwaaulias right?? Like what is up with that!
Right??
I’m SO glad someone else talks about canon busters diversity it’s really some of the best I’ve seen in anime
the fact that they “desexualize” characters by making their skin darker is literally so colorist
I dont think its desexualizing to make someone darker but its desexualizing to make someone skinny and has big boobs into an obese person because "skinny people dont look like that so I fixed it" is desexualizing
@Creator Blue does someone really get desexualized if they're darker?
@@eef1271 That's a huge problem in India and Asia, correct me if I'm wrong...
@@fairsparrow871 I dont know for sure but I dont think that being darker is desexualizing
@@eef1271 I don't think that too, I just mentioned that there's a huge problem with colorism in India and Asia))
a lot of these art fixers are looking exclusively at stylized Japanese art. Women in Japan are generally very small, there aren't many obese people or even overweight people in Japan at all because of the food that is most commonly eaten. To take a piece of Japanese art and make it overweight with freckles or obese and black is just the artist unintentionally expressing their hatred for Asian cultures.
ah yes, the anti-weeb.
I mean, yes and no? Obese people exist in Japan, but like... they go through a lot of criticism as I understand it. Many of them are hikkikomori. If you're a fat woman in Japan, I don't know much about the details of living in that sort of society, but from the bits I do know it seems unlikely you'll be treated as a valid human being.
Look, fixing art is disrespectful to the artists. If you wish to change the art, there is a little thing called...FANART. You know, where you can create a new piece in your own style, without editing or tracing existing art. You like Sailor Moon, but wish her hair to be more curly, and her colors more bold? Draw your own freaking version. Don't shame the original creators and go "Here I fixed it for you."
To be fair, there IS a lot of fatphobia in Asia, so drawing asian people who are overweight could be helpful for representation. otherwise yes I agree completely!
When Zeena said "the face is misshaped and the shading is horrible" then like calls it criticism like it's just straight up hate not even gonna tell em why it's 'horrible' or point out the mistake like actually* criticism or help the person improve just gonna call it horrible
...her art has misshaped face (literally looks square)and "horibble shading"(some part, its not even fully coloured)...i guess she is criticizing herself.
H I ,.,
The original artist did a better job (in my opinion). It really annoys me that they said it was “criticism”, but didn’t even give any pointers on how to improve. It isn’t constructive if it isn’t helpful. And hateful is not helpful. I also find it kinda weird that the put this emoji: ☺️ at the end, as if that makes up for the fact that they just called their drawing “misshapen” and their shading “hideous”. Like what the heck were they thinking when they decided to post that, or were they thinking at all???
PheenixGryphon
Exactly!
they straight up called OP a roach like slam your fucking brakes it stopped being "constructive criticism" a sentence ago and bullying not one, but two people
4 years ago this quality looks like it was filmed yesterday
I would love to see them "fix" old Biblical paintings.
Make her do some biblically realistic angel
@@marauder870 OH NO
OHOHO
She fixes her "art" to those old Biblical paintings. (I'm assuming you're talking about the ones with the man-faced baby Jesus.)
At least make them Israeli and not European i never understood that, but i did hear that in a lot of places Jesus was depicted being closer to their own bodies in general so I can kinda see now
"Fixed"
*Literally breaks and morphs the anatomy of the character into something straight out of R'lyeh*
In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming
Her "fixed" is : imma make this persons hard work as ugly as my personality and mindset
Yo, real talk, trying to "fix" Araki's art is like trying to "fix" Gucci's fashion, straight up should be a crime
THE MAN HAD HIS ART FEATURED AT THE FREAKIN LOURVE, YA KNOW WHERE THE MONA LISA IS. If some random Twitter thot thinks they can fix that, they have something wrong
I disagree, his art is much better than Gucci and I personally don't like Gucci's fashion, but everyone has different tastes, but yeah that should be a crime!!!
Gucci is shit tho.
@@a.t.9654 I agree.
@Dark Revenant Well, there are actual fans, toxic fans and people who just jumps the wagon because of memes without knowing anything.
The same pretty much goes for every series. We just tend to notice them more (especially the bad ones) when the "community" is big.