I can't see how this is any easier than using the usual selection tools, because the real challenge is to get the correct details and this is where things get difficult. But thank you very much for introducing me to this fine method, riberg ☺
So glad to hear that! I haven’t been doing any of this for a long time because I’ve been losing my vision and it’s awful hard to do digital editing when you can’t see what you’re doing! So I guess I’ll just have to enjoy digital editing vicariously through you, if that’s OK…
JUST what I was looking for. Seriously, you have provided spot-on help as others here have verified. I hope I will find more help using the older Jasc PSP ver 9.01. Thank you!
Richard, thanks so much for this new technique to extract objects. I cannot believe that I've been wasting my precious time and energy using the Freehand Selection, Magic Wand and Smart Selection Brush extraction tools all of this time. I'm so in love with your channel.
I would not dream of removing this video without your approval. It is an amazing tool, isn't it? Best darn way to make a selection with Paint Shop!! Rich
I found this video to be very helpful. I agree that it was a bit rushed but you had a lot of ground to cover. I just hit the pause button after every step and took notes. It also helped to have my Paint shop program running with a photo selected. That way I could pause the video and apply your directions to my stuff. Well done.
@murcopet So - it would seem there is more than one way to arrive at a fabulous end product. Thanks for the addition and it may end up on that page on my site. Thanks .. And by the way - thanks so much for the nice comments. Rich
Hi!... I think this a very good tutorial but I got a problem with. I can't understand what did you do with history palet. When I do click in the point you did it nothing happens, I mean, it doesn't turn in green, as I can see in the video. And in the minute 2:44 you displayed the selection menu but it's not possible to see what option you choose and you say something like (nana) or none... so, from that point, all turns confused for me. I have PSS X4, maybe there's some little differences with X2. don't know... but, finally I couldn't get that accurated mask you show in the video. What I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance.
You are fine - it's me who is confusing everyone. Here is an explanation I've sent to others with the same problem ... The history palette in the video was put in to show what the selection looks like after doing all of the painstaking painting. It's not part of the process and has confused a lot of people. Forget the History Palette and just work with the rest of the video or go to the page on my website or ask if you've got any more questions. Sorry for the confusion! I will also make a new video to complement that one. Rich
riberg thanks so much..... I'll try it again ignoring History palette =). These are my first steps in X4 , though I've always used Paint Shop Pro in older versions (I love number 9). I hope to learn these new features, I'm very interesting on. Sorry about my english, I'm Spanish speaker. Greetings from México.
No Problem Yes I`ve watched an saved this second video you have made ..an mine works like that...Thanks a lot...But the 1 question I still have about all this is....I the first video when you did the part with the history edit...You Had painted completely over the sax for example but when you brought it back up the second time it was all still painted .. then you redid the edit...and all of the open spots in the sax were cut out as well...This is the exact kind of editing I`m looking for...Seeing how a lot of my composites consist of model trains with extreme detail and a lot of outdoor people composites and getting their hair cut out on the breezy day pics seems to be impossible Any Ideas how I can learn that one??? Thank for your time Scotty
Hello Richard, I think this tutorial is useful, but unfortunately fail to complete it. At 3:03 minutes you made left-click on the last box (Edit Selection) from "History" and then all the boxes were marked in yellow. Unfortunately after I did the exact same steps I have not managed to passed away this step because the boxes were not marked with yellow, resulting in the selection obtained by you at3:07 Please can you explain better step in the range 3:03 and 3:07 because when I left I click on "Edit Selection" (in History / last box), boxes above are not marked with yellow, and thus not making selection obtained from 3:07 Mention that I using Corel PaintShop Pro X6. Thank you very much. Valentin.
Liviu - I used the History Palette so I wouldn't have to go back and re-do things within the video. I created the good selection before starting the tutorial and when I needed it in the video I just went to the history palette. I thought, at the time, that it was a brilliant idea and I managed to confuse a lot of people. Sorry for that! Rich
***** The one thing I've learned with all of the Photo Editors is that there are multiple paths to the same destination which means there really isn't a right or wrong way to do anything. If you really like that method then that's the one for you. I'll stick to the built in Edit Selection because it's an easy one step method. And it is great that you got back to me on this - well done. Rich
@johnnyone123 I had actually painted the sax player before I started recording the tutorial. The selection I made on the video was very rough and just done to give you an overview of how the technique works. When that was done I just went back in time in the History Palette to the precise painting. Does that help ...? Rich
Sandra P Hi Sandra - I did manage to confuse people with this video so I made a second video on the subject. Search for 'Edit Selection - Part Deux'. th-cam.com/video/xjTK7rY-PQA/w-d-xo.html
I dont usually get the computer during the day.. I will check out your second video sometime tonight. We only have one computer. My fiance hogs it during the day.. He is adicted to forge of empire lol
Method loses a lot of detail around the edges on things like a closeup of a bird, where there are lots of little thin protrusions of feather here and there, unless you take it down to the pixel level and have a very steady hand and absolute control of your mouse. Isn't there ANY way to get close and have PSP autocorrect or autofill somehow to a more detailed fill in for what we've tried to select, to avoid this?
Hello Rich ! Up to Making Selection layer I could do but I am not able to do actual selection (Red Painting ) why I don't know ... Please guide thanks a lot
It does make sense - make sure your feathering is set as low as possible. Also make sure that your brush hardness is set to 100%. Let me know if that helps ... Rich
*** Just seen oo your reply 8 years ago. For the below issue, understand now :) OK Issue: 1. after I click on Select None (CTRL+D) 2. I go to the "magic tool" history in palette 3. I click on the eye icon for Undo/Redo for Edit Selection but it completely gets rid of the selection that was initially made and nothing is highlighted. What am I missing? I am using paintshop pro 2018. Boy if this works ... its a true blessing :)
Unfortunately when I included the history palette unless original video it’s screwed up so many different people. I accept responsibility for that dumb move. What you’re better off doing is choosing edit selection make your selection and then choose edit select that’ll give you your selection the way you want it with the marching ants. It is a really good technique and I managed to confuse a whole bunch of people by trying to make it more than it was. Good luck and if that doesn’t work let me know and we will figure it out.
I does not work for me, I follow the tutorial but after I delete the history and call back edit selection, I got a black layer, the same one at the beggining of the totorial, I mean I do not get the crispy eges selected!!! what I am doing wrong?
This is an excellent method for extracting complex objects. Thanks for posting. I'm still having trouble with hair, especially extracting wild "fly-away" hair from backgrounds. Any advice? Thanks.
Glad you liked it - it's a fabulous method. As for selecting hair it can be a real problem. Take a look at the PaintShop Hair Tinting tutorial. Coloring hair is selecting intensive and it may give you a direction. Just remember it's almost impossible to get all of the little strays ...
G'day Richard, A very informative tutorial. I had a problem trying to extract a item in a photo. I tried so many times but did not achieve a good result. After watching your video I did it your way. Bingo came out really good. Please keep your videos coming. Cheers Perry
Sorry about the delay. Re Bingo: If you try to do something and it takes you awhile. When it works one says' Bingo' Like the Bingo game when your numbers come up you shout Bingo.
The original video has confused a bunch of people because of the History Palette. Just this very evening I recorded another Edit Selection video. So glad you found the first one helpful. Rich
@sermex2002 Sorry - I only used the History states to get back to previous work I had done after showing the really rough selection of the sax player. When you do the selection you do not use the history states. Just choose Edit>Selection, do the painting and then Edit>Selection again and you will have your nice selection. Hope that helps ... Rich
I have PSP 2020 & didn't have some of the tools, it wouldn't work for me, I tried 2 times when I deleted went to history turn off no x beside them had to click on each to turn off & then click out, edit selection & there was only a black box. :(
When you go to the HISTORY , when you select Edit Selection, I see a orange X or symbol , how was that done, When I get to history , I see what I need , but when I click I don't get or can't get the selection you get in the history list , you don't seem to do much, but you have the little thinking circle as id its processing something, HOw is that done. that part is not explained, because all I have is the ability to click in the list , but it puts a view eye oe ut takes it away , I don't know how to select the way you did.
+AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible This is not particularly difficult. Add a new layer above the portrait and then draw a black (or whatever color you want) to transparent gradient from the middle of the face. After you're done you can change the layer opacity and/or play around with the layer blend modes to get the look you want. Let me know if you have any more questions ...! Rich
i have done everything like you are doing it back when i go to history and click on the edit and click on select none and click edit selection the big oreange color comes out but not real good like you get it... and if i undo i cant no more
Hello riberg , I'm a Subscriber. Could you amend the description above to include "What Paint Shop Pro" it is? You may not know the following but, Paint Shop Pro was made by Jasc before Corel bought them out. And!, There are many versions of both with tools that have changed over those versions. Thank You!
Hi - yes I do know the history of PaintShop. I’m not sure when I made this video - it was probably a few versions ago, for sure. Sadly, my eyes are giving out making it nearly impossible to do what I love - edit photos and d tutorials.
I have been using this method for a while. You can also 'undo' a mistake by simply clicking and holding down the right mouse button, rather than switching back to your black and white swatches. So much easier. What I really want to know, is how I can save the selection so that I can re-use it to paste into other images? Is there a way I can do this?
Thanks for the comment. It does seem like it would be much easier to do it your way! As for your question you can save a selection to an alpha channel, I was working on a tutorial for that but my eyes have been deteriorating to the point that it’s hard for me to see the final little bits and pieces in the program. Be that as it may, you can save a selection and you can load it as selection. The way to do it is go to the selection menu and scroll down to save selection. I’m not at my computer right now, I am on my iPad but under the select menu there is a option to load and save selections. Click on that and you’ll find a few more options. You can save your selection to an alpha channel or save it to disk or load from disk or the alpha channel. Before you ask me what an alpha channel is, be darned if I know! It seems to be where they store selections, Hope this helps!
@@riberg thank you for your reply. Sorry about your eyes. I found a page that gave some steps and direction on saving to either the alpha channel or load to disk but I cannot make it work, as I have a different view in the drop down boxes so cannot follow the direction. I really need to find a tutorial that explains how to do this, as it is the one thing that really perplexes me, and something that I need to learn. I am using Paint Shop Pro X4. I can't seem to find any tutorial on this.
Kezza Kat If you give me a day or two I might be able to whip up a video for you on this. It really is cool and works beautifully! You will have to forgive any mistakes I made in my selections! I’ll let you know how I’m doing.
Kezza Kat as I recall, because I’m not gonna try and read those little tiny letters again, you are running paint shop Pro X4. You need to upgrade to a much later version. The software is not that expensive and Carol always has specials going on.
im using paintshop x4 and it does not work. can u please help me im trying to delete the background so i can add a different background but its not doing a very good job when i use the background eraser takes part of the photo im trying to keep
There is a Background Eraser living with the Eraser tool, right? Select the Background Eraser and carefully go around the outside of the image, keeping the centre of the brush in the area you want to erase. If the centre of the Background Eraser touches the image it will erase that as well.
Ok, I like this technique over others. However, my image turns out somewhat transparent. You can see where my brush strokes overlap. I thought I did this in the past but now I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. HELP please, any suggestions?
Hi Chad - check the Opacity of the brush strokes. It should be set at 100%. I tried to duplicate your problem and opacity is the answer. Let me kow if it doesn't work. Rich
Stumbled across this video thinking it would be a help in making my cut outs for my composites...because of the high amount of detail I need in the cut outs...But this just confusing of a video....I`ve got a Paintshop Pro Ultimate 2019.. I use I`ve been going thru this video step by step. .pausing it at each step an repeating it on my program So I can get it correctly...works fine UP UNTILL...You decide you don't like the first one an go to the History an delete it an do it another way....doing that I loose everything an have to start all over again..... Would have been nice for you just to complete the path you were on...
H V Sc I’ve learned that the statement “no good deed goes unpunished” is true. When I did the video I congratulated myself on my brilliance in adding the History palette. Didn’t quite turn out to be as brilliant as I thought! In fact, it confused the hell out of a lot of folks - so I made another video called “Edit Selection Part Deux” - check it out! It may answer your questions and sorry to have confused you ...
No Problem Yes I`ve watched an saved this second video you have made ..an mine works like that...Thanks a lot...But the 1 question I still have about all this is....I the first video when you did the part with the history edit...You Had painted completely over the sax for example but when you brought it back up the second time it was all still painted .. then you redid the edit...and all of the open spots in the sax were cut out as well...This is the exact kind of editing I`m looking for...Seeing how a lot of my composites consist of model trains with extreme detail and a lot of outdoor people composites and getting their hair cut out on the breezy day pics seems to be impossible Any Ideas how I can learn that one??? Thank for your time Scotty
I already watched it but there you don't use it there. And I'm working with a face and curly hair, so it would be very difficult to do it manuel. In the first video you made a rough selection and the program somehow made it precise. It's that, that I'm interested in.
+Vera Kraamwinkel The precise selection was done by zooming in very close and using a small brush size. It's simply grunt work. I did that in the first video but didn't show it on the video. Sorry to say - you have to be careful and work at a high zoom level. Rich
I had a vintage image of a ships anchor with flowers around it. It had a grungy tan beige background that I wanted to remove. All went well until I got to the bottom. About half of one arm of the anchor was outside of the selection area. I finally just selected that area, promoted it to a layer, used the eraser, and then merged the anchor and it's missing arm into one image. It worked but not what I was wanting to do. Also for some reason, I was getting quite a few small areas where there were "holes". I managed to fill them in. Being a vintage image it still needs a lot of tweaking to make it really look like I want it to. I just can't find any good tuts for Paint Shop Pro 9. I just switched from my old (2) after many years because it wouldn't work with Windows 10. So far I wish I had 2 back.
X9 is really good and a lot faster that 2. The technique works fine so it must be my explanation. When you're using the brush with Edit Selection it's easy to paint wherever you want, Rich
Do you have a friend in New Zealand? He asked the same question yesterday - the first time anyone asked about the History palette and today you asked the same question. History palette has nothing to do with the procedure. I did the selection perfectly before starting the video, demonstrated how to use the tools and then went back in history to the state with the perfect selection so we could go from there. Does that answer your question? Rich
If I understand the question then this is what you do. Make the selection and then click Edit Selection to get the marching ants. Go to Edit > Copy, move to the other document or create a new one and then Edit > Paste As New Layer. This will put your selection on its own raster layer. Rich
Hi Diana - what is the problem? You can also watch part two of the video (Edit Selection Part Deux). I made it to help with the confusion I created with this video. Sorry to cause you grief! Rich
Oops - so sorry about that! The history palette in the video was put in to show what the selection looks like after doing all of the painstaking painting. It's not part of the process and has confused a lot of people. Forget the History Palette and just work with the rest of the video or go to the page on my website or ask if you've got any more questions. Sorry for the confusion! Rich
+Swade King Party Flyers can be thought of as the same as Scrapbooks. Check out some of the scrapbook tutorials and use your wild imagination to make a fabulous flyer! Rich
Here's my response to someone else who had trouble understanding why I used the History Palette. This may help with the History thing ... Oops - so sorry about that! The history palette in the video was put in to show what the selection looks like after doing all of the painstaking painting. It's not part of the process and has confused a lot of people. Forget the History Palette and just work with the rest of the video or go to the page on my website or ask if you've got any more questions. Sorry for the confusion!
Hi Katie - in an effort to make this tutorial easier I made it harder. I have another video tutorial about the same subject and it's called Edit Selection Part Deux. It will clear up any confusion I created ...!
Oops - sorry - I think I messed this up. I only used the History to go back to a time when I did a perfect selection rather than a rough one like in the video. You won't use the History state so ignore that part - go forward to time 3:30 and work from there. If you've got any other questions let me know. Rich
Hmmm - well make sure that White is your foreground color to start off. When you choose Edit Selection a new layer is added which is called Selection and it is Black. Now get the Paint Brush and start painting where you want the selection to be - it should be filling in with the red color. That should work - if not let me know or check out my site at the-graphics-tablet com Paint Shop Pro and find the written tutorial for this. Rich
Hello, I'm new to all of this, and I have Jasc Paint Shop Pro 7.04 I would like to learn how to do this, but my paint shop pro looks nothing like yours :( Is anyone here using the same paint shop pro that am ?
Goldwing Road Riders Sheesh - sorry it took so long to reply to you. PSP 7.0 is an old version from years ago. It may be a good idea to consider an upgrade to X7. Corel has some pretty good deals going on now. The new version is faster, more stable and includes better adjustments. I suspect you will really like the new version and there are lots of tutorials to help you master the program. If you've ever got any questions just get back to me here or through the contact page on my site. Rich
+riberg Hi Its when I select the history tab and click on the last item I then close the history frame, I thenlose the image, this would be great if I could get it to work. Geoff
+Geoff Watts Hi Geoff - that is my fault. I added the History Palette to save time and messed up a whole lot of different folks, including you! I made a second video called Edit Selection Part Deux - look it up on You Tube. It will clear things up for you! Sorry - and glad you asked ... Rich
Thanks for your effort, but your audio is weak. I could hardly hear your voice and I had the audio at full blast. The tools are too small (not your fault) that it is difficult to see where on the menu you select them. Also you move too fast between the tools. Slower, larger and louder would be perfect.
*He's not demonstrating how to do it* He's done all the work previously, where he displays the history palette he implies that is all you need to do, for one reason or another he has omitted to tell you he's going back to 'the beginning' but it's not where the video started, it's where he'd almost finished doing it.
flagpoleeip you are correct and I've taken so much heat for this that I did make another video without the history palette. No good,deed or intention goes unpunished and I guess I deserve all the heat ...! Rich
@murcopet Hi - I just finished a change hair colour tut with Photoshop and Elements. Check out the Elements page - the-graphics-tablet com/change-hair-color html Its a different program but the technique is exactly the same. The trick is to use a large soft brush at low opacity over the whispies. Let me know how it works for you! Rich
you speak so fast in some parts of your video allot of your words just blend into one work and i have a hard time understanding what you are saying which i find extremely unpleasant to listen to, other parts your talking slow and clearly and i can tell what your saying just fine, that is not unpleasant to listen to.
+John van der Linden Hey John - perhaps for an experienced Paint Shop Pro user these are not complex objects but for many, many people, especially new Paint Shoppers, this kind of extraction is very challenging. If this procedure is "easy" as you said then maybe you could do a video demonstrating how to extract a difficult object, such as hair. Rich
I can't see how this is any easier than using the usual selection tools, because the real challenge is to get the correct details and this is where things get difficult. But thank you very much for introducing me to this fine method, riberg ☺
please never remove this video. It is the cornerstone of my work. Good upload.
I can't see how this is any easier than using the usual selection tools, because the real challenge is to get the correct details and this is where things get difficult. But thank you very much for introducing me to this fine method, riberg ☺
So glad to hear that! I haven’t been doing any of this for a long time because I’ve been losing my vision and it’s awful hard to do digital editing when you can’t see what you’re doing! So I guess I’ll just have to enjoy digital editing vicariously through you, if that’s OK…
JUST what I was looking for.
Seriously, you have provided spot-on help as others here have verified.
I hope I will find more help using the older Jasc PSP ver 9.01.
Thank you!
You are welcome!
Richard, thanks so much for this new technique to extract objects. I cannot believe that I've been wasting my precious time and energy using the Freehand Selection, Magic Wand and Smart Selection Brush extraction tools all of this time. I'm so in love with your channel.
I saved this video and come back to it often. Thanks!
I would not dream of removing this video without your approval. It is an amazing tool, isn't it? Best darn way to make a selection with Paint Shop!!
Rich
Thank you so much for your very interesting and helpful tutorial.
This is still the best method I have found by far!! Thanks so much for introducing me to this!! Makes it SOOOOOOO easy!!!
I found this video to be very helpful. I agree that it was a bit rushed but you had a lot of ground to cover. I just hit the pause button after every step and took notes. It also helped to have my Paint shop program running with a photo selected. That way I could pause the video and apply your directions to my stuff. Well done.
I know this is an old video, but I’m going to use it with my PSPro Ultimate. Your videos are fun to watch and incredible to do. Thank you
@murcopet So - it would seem there is more than one way to arrive at a fabulous end product.
Thanks for the addition and it may end up on that page on my site. Thanks ..
And by the way - thanks so much for the nice comments.
Rich
Hi my friend a great video here.
Hi!... I think this a very good tutorial but I got a problem with. I can't understand what did you do with history palet. When I do click in the point you did it nothing happens, I mean, it doesn't turn in green, as I can see in the video. And in the minute 2:44 you displayed the selection menu but it's not possible to see what option you choose and you say something like (nana) or none... so, from that point, all turns confused for me. I have PSS X4, maybe there's some little differences with X2. don't know... but, finally I couldn't get that accurated mask you show in the video. What I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance.
You are fine - it's me who is confusing everyone. Here is an explanation I've sent to others with the same problem ...
The history palette in the video was put in to show what the selection looks like after doing all of the painstaking painting. It's not part of the process and has confused a lot of people. Forget the History Palette and just work with the rest of the video or go to the page on my website or ask if you've got any more questions. Sorry for the confusion!
I will also make a new video to complement that one.
Rich
At 2:44 I said Select > None to get rid of the selection.
riberg thanks so much..... I'll try it again ignoring History palette =). These are my first steps in X4 , though I've always used Paint Shop Pro in older versions (I love number 9). I hope to learn these new features, I'm very interesting on. Sorry about my english, I'm Spanish speaker. Greetings from México.
riberg I'll be waiting for your new tutorials... but please! speak slowly for your spanish speakers friends =)
No Problem Yes I`ve watched an saved this second video you have made ..an mine works like that...Thanks a lot...But the 1 question I still have about all this is....I the first video when you did the part with the history edit...You Had painted completely over the sax for example but when you brought it back up the second time it was all still painted .. then you redid the edit...and all of the open spots in the sax were cut out as well...This is the exact kind of editing I`m looking for...Seeing how a lot of my composites consist of model trains with extreme detail and a lot of outdoor people composites and getting their hair cut out on the breezy day pics seems to be impossible Any Ideas how I can learn that one??? Thank for your time Scotty
Thanks for taking the time to do this tutorial.
It was my pleasure and fun to do ...
Rich
Good job but the steps are confusing. Back and forth selection does not have clear explanation
@k9nut Hi Gary - thanks for the really nice comments - I do appreciate them ...!
Rich
Very useful, very detailed, very professional!
Thanks alot riberg
Hello Richard,
I think this tutorial is useful, but unfortunately fail to complete it. At 3:03 minutes you made left-click on the last box (Edit Selection) from "History" and then all the boxes were marked in yellow.
Unfortunately after I did the exact same steps I have not managed to passed away this step because the boxes were not marked with yellow, resulting in the selection obtained by you at3:07
Please can you explain better step in the range 3:03 and 3:07 because when I left I click on "Edit Selection" (in History / last box), boxes above are not marked with yellow, and thus not making selection obtained from 3:07
Mention that I using Corel PaintShop Pro X6.
Thank you very much.
Valentin.
***** Can you link a video showing how that's done?
To me the Background Eraser is faster but I don't think it has anywhere near the versatility of this method - but - each to their own, right?
Rich
Liviu - I used the History Palette so I wouldn't have to go back and re-do things within the video. I created the good selection before starting the tutorial and when I needed it in the video I just went to the history palette.
I thought, at the time, that it was a brilliant idea and I managed to confuse a lot of people. Sorry for that!
Rich
***** The one thing I've learned with all of the Photo Editors is that there are multiple paths to the same destination which means there really isn't a right or wrong way to do anything. If you really like that method then that's the one for you. I'll stick to the built in Edit Selection because it's an easy one step method. And it is great that you got back to me on this - well done.
Rich
This sure is a nice way for a selection, will definitely try this! Thx!
Is there a written or transcript version of this tutorial?
@johnnyone123 I had actually painted the sax player before I started recording the tutorial. The selection I made on the video was very rough and just done to give you an overview of how the technique works. When that was done I just went back in time in the History Palette to the precise painting.
Does that help ...?
Rich
nice work, needed this, and the history tab, wow very useful. Thank you,have a great 2014
I m stuck at 1:19 I have x8 and I dont see what 1:19 has to the right. a small window of the photo I am practicing with.
Sandra P Hi Sandra - I did manage to confuse people with this video so I made a second video on the subject. Search for 'Edit Selection - Part Deux'. th-cam.com/video/xjTK7rY-PQA/w-d-xo.html
I dont usually get the computer during the day.. I will check out your second video sometime tonight. We only have one computer. My fiance hogs it during the day.. He is adicted to forge of empire lol
You need a second computer then , Sandra!
Thanks for this but ive now tried this at leat 10 times and when i select the history part... nothing follows like in your vid... what am i missing???
Is there a way to bring the "marching ants" closer to the image if it is too far out from image? I hope that makes sense.
@illusionistdave Thanks - I am so glad you liked it ...!
Rich
Method loses a lot of detail around the edges on things like a closeup of a bird, where there are lots of little thin protrusions of feather here and there, unless you take it down to the pixel level and have a very steady hand and absolute control of your mouse. Isn't there ANY way to get close and have PSP autocorrect or autofill somehow to a more detailed fill in for what we've tried to select, to avoid this?
How do you get the color over the guy in your photo.
Hello Rich !
Up to Making Selection layer I could do but I am not able to do actual selection (Red Painting ) why I don't know ... Please guide thanks a lot
It does make sense - make sure your feathering is set as low as possible. Also make sure that your brush hardness is set to 100%.
Let me know if that helps ...
Rich
*** Just seen oo your reply 8 years ago. For the below issue, understand now :)
OK Issue:
1. after I click on Select None (CTRL+D)
2. I go to the "magic tool" history in palette
3. I click on the eye icon for Undo/Redo for Edit Selection but it completely gets rid of the selection that was initially made and nothing is highlighted.
What am I missing? I am using paintshop pro 2018.
Boy if this works ... its a true blessing :)
Unfortunately when I included the history palette unless original video it’s screwed up so many different people. I accept responsibility for that dumb move. What you’re better off doing is choosing edit selection make your selection and then choose edit select that’ll give you your selection the way you want it with the marching ants. It is a really good technique and I managed to confuse a whole bunch of people by trying to make it more than it was. Good luck and if that doesn’t work let me know and we will figure it out.
I does not work for me, I follow the tutorial but after I delete the history and call back edit selection, I got a black layer, the same one at the beggining of the totorial, I mean I do not get the crispy eges selected!!! what I am doing wrong?
This is an excellent method for extracting complex objects. Thanks for posting. I'm still having trouble with hair, especially extracting wild "fly-away" hair from backgrounds. Any advice? Thanks.
Glad you liked it - it's a fabulous method. As for selecting hair it can be a real problem. Take a look at the PaintShop Hair Tinting tutorial. Coloring hair is selecting intensive and it may give you a direction. Just remember it's almost impossible to get all of the little strays ...
G'day Richard,
A very informative tutorial. I had a problem trying to extract a item in a photo. I tried so many times but did not achieve a good result. After watching your video I did it your way. Bingo came out really good. Please keep your videos coming.
Cheers Perry
Glad you liked it and who is Bingo??
Rich
Sorry about the delay. Re Bingo: If you try to do something and it takes you awhile. When it works one says' Bingo' Like the Bingo game when your numbers come up you shout Bingo.
The original video has confused a bunch of people because of the History Palette. Just this very evening I recorded another Edit Selection video.
So glad you found the first one helpful.
Rich
Another great video, great job.
@sermex2002 Sorry - I only used the History states to get back to previous work I had done after showing the really rough selection of the sax player. When you do the selection you do not use the history states. Just choose Edit>Selection, do the painting and then Edit>Selection again and you will have your nice selection.
Hope that helps ...
Rich
I have PSP 2020 & didn't have some of the tools, it wouldn't work for me, I tried 2 times when I deleted went to history turn off no x beside them had to click on each to turn off & then click out, edit selection & there was only a black box. :(
I get this to work up until you go to history and after that my object I want to cut out is no longer red like in your video.
yes my object is not stil in the selection, so i cant't do this.... i don't know why, i do the same way, what he did, but, it's don't work for me
AT LAST!!! thank you soooo much this has been driving me crazy!!.... I can complete my photo edits now
When you go to the HISTORY , when you select Edit Selection, I see a orange X or symbol , how was that done, When I get to history , I see what I need , but when I click I don't get or can't get the selection you get in the history list , you don't seem to do much, but you have the little thinking circle as id its processing something, HOw is that done. that part is not explained, because all I have is the ability to click in the list , but it puts a view eye oe ut takes it away , I don't know how to select the way you did.
@ThisIsKuroCat Thanks - I appreciate your great comments ...!
Rich
How can I put a circle over a face in a photo so the face can still be seen ? The Circle shape is not transparent. Thanks
+AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible This is not particularly difficult. Add a new layer above the portrait and then draw a black (or whatever color you want) to transparent gradient from the middle of the face. After you're done you can change the layer opacity and/or play around with the layer blend modes to get the look you want. Let me know if you have any more questions ...!
Rich
Once you know about this technique then the others are mostly a waste of time and energy! So glad you like it ...
Rich
i have done everything like you are doing it back when i go to history and click on the edit and click on select none and click edit selection the big oreange color comes out but not real good like you get it... and if i undo i cant no more
Hello riberg , I'm a Subscriber. Could you amend the description above to include "What Paint Shop Pro" it is?
You may not know the following but, Paint Shop Pro was made by Jasc before Corel bought them out.
And!, There are many versions of both with tools that have changed over those versions.
Thank You!
Hi - yes I do know the history of PaintShop. I’m not sure when I made this video - it was probably a few versions ago, for sure. Sadly, my eyes are giving out making it nearly impossible to do what I love - edit photos and d tutorials.
I have been using this method for a while. You can also 'undo' a mistake by simply clicking and holding down the right mouse button, rather than switching back to your black and white swatches. So much easier. What I really want to know, is how I can save the selection so that I can re-use it to paste into other images? Is there a way I can do this?
Thanks for the comment. It does seem like it would be much easier to do it your way! As for your question you can save a selection to an alpha channel, I was working on a tutorial for that but my eyes have been deteriorating to the point that it’s hard for me to see the final little bits and pieces in the program. Be that as it may, you can save a selection and you can load it as selection. The way to do it is go to the selection menu and scroll down to save selection. I’m not at my computer right now, I am on my iPad but under the select menu there is a option to load and save selections. Click on that and you’ll find a few more options. You can save your selection to an alpha channel or save it to disk or load from disk or the alpha channel. Before you ask me what an alpha channel is, be darned if I know! It seems to be where they store selections, Hope this helps!
@@riberg thank you for your reply. Sorry about your eyes. I found a page that gave some steps and direction on saving to either the alpha channel or load to disk but I cannot make it work, as I have a different view in the drop down boxes so cannot follow the direction. I really need to find a tutorial that explains how to do this, as it is the one thing that really perplexes me, and something that I need to learn. I am using Paint Shop Pro X4. I can't seem to find any tutorial on this.
Kezza Kat If you give me a day or two I might be able to whip up a video for you on this. It really is cool and works beautifully! You will have to forgive any mistakes I made in my selections! I’ll let you know how I’m doing.
@@riberg That would be great! Thank you!
Kezza Kat as I recall, because I’m not gonna try and read those little tiny letters again, you are running paint shop Pro X4. You need to upgrade to a much later version. The software is not that expensive and Carol always has specials going on.
im using paintshop x4 and it does not work. can u please help me im trying to delete the background so i can add a different background but its not doing a very good job when i use the background eraser takes part of the photo im trying to keep
There is a Background Eraser living with the Eraser tool, right? Select the Background Eraser and carefully go around the outside of the image, keeping the centre of the brush in the area you want to erase. If the centre of the Background Eraser touches the image it will erase that as well.
try and only works with 20% of the times thank you anyways.got to move to photokey..
Brilliant! Thank you so much,am on my way to your site!
after selecting "edit selection" in history nothing happens!!!!
pls help!!!!
Ok, I like this technique over others. However, my image turns out somewhat transparent. You can see where my brush strokes overlap. I thought I did this in the past but now I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. HELP please, any suggestions?
Hi Chad - check the Opacity of the brush strokes. It should be set at 100%. I tried to duplicate your problem and opacity is the answer. Let me kow if it doesn't work.
Rich
Thank you!
Stumbled across this video thinking it would be a help in making my cut outs for my composites...because of the high amount of detail I need in the cut outs...But this just confusing of a video....I`ve got a Paintshop Pro Ultimate 2019.. I use I`ve been going thru this video step by step. .pausing it at each step an repeating it on my program So I can get it correctly...works fine UP UNTILL...You decide you don't like the first one an go to the History an delete it an do it another way....doing that I loose everything an have to start all over again..... Would have been nice for you just to complete the path you were on...
H V Sc I’ve learned that the statement “no good deed goes unpunished” is true. When I did the video I congratulated myself on my brilliance in adding the History palette. Didn’t quite turn out to be as brilliant as I thought! In fact, it confused the hell out of a lot of folks - so I made another video called “Edit Selection Part Deux” - check it out! It may answer your questions and sorry to have confused you ...
No Problem Yes I`ve watched an saved this second video you have made ..an mine works like that...Thanks a lot...But the 1 question I still have about all this is....I the first video when you did the part with the history edit...You Had painted completely over the sax for example but when you brought it back up the second time it was all still painted .. then you redid the edit...and all of the open spots in the sax were cut out as well...This is the exact kind of editing I`m looking for...Seeing how a lot of my composites consist of model trains with extreme detail and a lot of outdoor people composites and getting their hair cut out on the breezy day pics seems to be impossible Any Ideas how I can learn that one??? Thank for your time Scotty
this was useful and interesting
Heyy, I hope you can help me. Somehow nothing happens after you step with the history pallet, I'm using x8. Thanks anyway!
Hi Vera - check out my other video called "Edit Selection Part Deux". It clears up the confusion I created with this video and the History Palette!
I already watched it but there you don't use it there. And I'm working with a face and curly hair, so it would be very difficult to do it manuel. In the first video you made a rough selection and the program somehow made it precise. It's that, that I'm interested in.
+Vera Kraamwinkel The precise selection was done by zooming in very close and using a small brush size. It's simply grunt work. I did that in the first video but didn't show it on the video. Sorry to say - you have to be careful and work at a high zoom level.
Rich
I tried that but it didn't work so good in x9. The selection did not include all of the image.
Sandra Fann this technique is not supposed to select all of the image, rather the intent is to select one area. Where are you stuck.
I had a vintage image of a ships anchor with flowers around it. It had a grungy tan beige background that I wanted to remove. All went well until I got to the bottom. About half of one arm of the anchor was outside of the selection area. I finally just selected that area, promoted it to a layer, used the eraser, and then merged the anchor and it's missing arm into one image. It worked but not what I was wanting to do. Also for some reason, I was getting quite a few small areas where there were "holes". I managed to fill them in. Being a vintage image it still needs a lot of tweaking to make it really look like I want it to. I just can't find any good tuts for Paint Shop Pro 9. I just switched from my old (2) after many years because it wouldn't work with Windows 10. So far I wish I had 2 back.
X9 is really good and a lot faster that 2. The technique works fine so it must be my explanation. When you're using the brush with Edit Selection it's easy to paint wherever you want,
Rich
Do you have a friend in New Zealand? He asked the same question yesterday - the first time anyone asked about the History palette and today you asked the same question.
History palette has nothing to do with the procedure. I did the selection perfectly before starting the video, demonstrated how to use the tools and then went back in history to the state with the perfect selection so we could go from there. Does that answer your question?
Rich
If I understand the question then this is what you do. Make the selection and then click Edit Selection to get the marching ants. Go to Edit > Copy, move to the other document or create a new one and then Edit > Paste As New Layer. This will put your selection on its own raster layer.
Rich
It is a great technique! So glad it was helpful ...
Rich
Something is missing on this video, because the demonstration doesn't work for me
Hi Diana - what is the problem? You can also watch part two of the video (Edit Selection Part Deux). I made it to help with the confusion I created with this video. Sorry to cause you grief!
Rich
Once you know about this technique it makes everything so much easier.
Rich
Glad you found it helpful ...!
Rich
Oops - so sorry about that! The history palette in the video was put in to show what the selection looks like after doing all of the painstaking painting. It's not part of the process and has confused a lot of people.
Forget the History Palette and just work with the rest of the video or go to the page on my website or ask if you've got any more questions. Sorry for the confusion!
Rich
Can you make a tutorial showing how to make party flyers please
+Swade King Party Flyers can be thought of as the same as Scrapbooks. Check out some of the scrapbook tutorials and use your wild imagination to make a fabulous flyer!
Rich
Great!
Rich
Starting from the history palette things go confusing!!
Here's my response to someone else who had trouble understanding why I used the History Palette.
This may help with the History thing ...
Oops - so sorry about that! The history palette in the video was put in to show what the selection looks like after doing all of the painstaking painting. It's not part of the process and has confused a lot of people. Forget the History Palette and just work with the rest of the video or go to the page on my website or ask if you've got any more questions. Sorry for the confusion!
Awesome tutorial!:)
Just spent a lot of time trying to get the sharp image after selecting history. Did not succeed. Step is missing.
Hi Katie - in an effort to make this tutorial easier I made it harder. I have another video tutorial about the same subject and it's called Edit Selection Part Deux. It will clear up any confusion I created ...!
@ErikJSlot It is, isn't it. The method should have a far more prominent position than hiding in the Selection menu, don't you think?
Rich
I learn sometihing new, thank you.
Excellent ...
Rich
Oops - sorry - I think I messed this up. I only used the History to go back to a time when I did a perfect selection rather than a rough one like in the video. You won't use the History state so ignore that part - go forward to time 3:30 and work from there. If you've got any other questions let me know.
Rich
Hmmm - well make sure that White is your foreground color to start off. When you choose Edit Selection a new layer is added which is called Selection and it is Black. Now get the Paint Brush and start painting where you want the selection to be - it should be filling in with the red color.
That should work - if not let me know or check out my site at the-graphics-tablet com Paint Shop Pro and find the written tutorial for this.
Rich
Forget the history palette - it was only there as an example of what to expect.
Hello, I'm new to all of this, and I have Jasc Paint Shop Pro 7.04 I would like to learn how to do this, but my paint shop pro looks nothing like yours :( Is anyone here using the same paint shop pro that am ?
Goldwing Road Riders Sheesh - sorry it took so long to reply to you. PSP 7.0 is an old version from years ago. It may be a good idea to consider an upgrade to X7. Corel has some pretty good deals going on now. The new version is faster, more stable and includes better adjustments. I suspect you will really like the new version and there are lots of tutorials to help you master the program. If you've ever got any questions just get back to me here or through the contact page on my site.
Rich
I dont see a mask over my image
Be Aware this walk though does not work in x8
+Geoff Watts I just tried the procedure with X8 and it worked fine for me. Where did it mess up for you?
Rich
+riberg
Hi Its when I select the history tab and click on the last item I then close the history frame, I thenlose the image, this would be great if I could get it to work. Geoff
+Geoff Watts Hi Geoff - that is my fault. I added the History Palette to save time and messed up a whole lot of different folks, including you! I made a second video called Edit Selection Part Deux - look it up on You Tube. It will clear things up for you!
Sorry - and glad you asked ...
Rich
you lost me when you went into the history palette. im new at paint shop.
@Citizen259 Still waiting for the bill ....
It is a great technique and sorry it took so long to reply.
Rich
thanks!
@waddy3 Thanks - it is a great technique ....
Rich
It certainly is ...
Rich
i just subscribed to your channel .please slow down ,
Thanks for your effort, but your audio is weak. I could hardly hear your voice and I had the audio at full blast. The tools are too small (not your fault) that it is difficult to see where on the menu you select them. Also you move too fast between the tools. Slower, larger and louder would be perfect.
wow...so much easier...
Lmao @ 2:39 he talking so fast in the video and he accidentally says “promote sex life” and tries to make this funny noise to cover it up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well James - that's a new one. Glad I gave you a chuckle ...
*He's not demonstrating how to do it*
He's done all the work previously, where he displays the history palette he implies that is all you need to do, for one reason or another he has omitted to tell you he's going back to 'the beginning' but it's not where the video started, it's where he'd almost finished doing it.
flagpoleeip you are correct and I've taken so much heat for this that I did make another video without the history palette. No good,deed or intention goes unpunished and I guess I deserve all the heat ...!
Rich
@murcopet Hi - I just finished a change hair colour tut with Photoshop and Elements. Check out the Elements page - the-graphics-tablet com/change-hair-color html
Its a different program but the technique is exactly the same.
The trick is to use a large soft brush at low opacity over the whispies.
Let me know how it works for you!
Rich
i have paintshop pro x4!!!1
wahahahaha i got shottt
Maybe you should delete this video or remake it so it causes less confusion .
you speak so fast in some parts of your video allot of your words just blend into one work and i have a hard time understanding what you are saying which i find extremely unpleasant to listen to, other parts your talking slow and clearly and i can tell what your saying just fine, that is not unpleasant to listen to.
This is not a complex object, no hair, no mixing colors... easy
+John van der Linden Hey John - perhaps for an experienced Paint Shop Pro user these are not complex objects but for many, many people, especially new Paint Shoppers, this kind of extraction is very challenging. If this procedure is "easy" as you said then maybe you could do a video demonstrating how to extract a difficult object, such as hair.
Rich
I can't see how this is any easier than using the usual selection tools, because the real challenge is to get the correct details and this is where things get difficult. But thank you very much for introducing me to this fine method, riberg ☺