I'm stunned that the Abus locksmiths couldn't pick many/most of these. Several of these locks are not particularly challenging. I'm not sure what to say. Also, I noticed the Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit U locks in the pictures, but they are not listed in the results. I wonder why that is. It seems that this test might have been comparing Kryptonite's JV to the Abus varsity team.
Yeah, I think the keyword here should be "independent". I think they wasted all these locks on inferior testing methods and should do it again properly....and get LPL or someone popular in the UK like Lock Noob to do the picking test component. Cheers SLPC. :)
The Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit U locks are in the results. Go in the description and click on the imgur link. It is 5th from the top in the table. It is listed as "Kryptonite New York M18." Which is the fahgedaboudit lock.
4:25 "Litelok is by far the most usable and toughest in our test" *looks to the right at suggested videos* LockPickingLawyer: "Litelok Gold Cut in 16 Seconds!"
29 locks , rather than give a easy summary for us to decide, it's a lot of rambling on without structure. How about a table at the end summarising each lock and test. A wasted opportunity.
I lost my key after I locked my bike up outside of a baseball stadium. I came back the next day with a grinder and went to work on it. People walking by didn't even so much look at me.
Better than one super lock is to use two different types. For instance a cable is vulnerable to wire cutters but surprisingly good against saws, bolt cutters and jacks. A D lock good against cutters and saws. That way the thief needs to carry lots of tools and use atleast two to get your bike.
I like your suggestion to use two different types, but not all cables are good against saws. I had a cable which took less than 5 seconds to saw through with a hacksaw.
I like what you are saying but I think cables are as good as useless because they can be defeated by the smallest to carry wirecutters , just nibble into them. The smallest bolt croppers will go Cable like butter , it might leave a few straggly ends which can be easily cleaned through with wirecutters .
There is also the 'hassle' effect - its not about how good any lock is, but the total hassle involved. A good chain, a decent secondary and a disc lock and youve made yourself enough of a pain in the arse they arent gonna choose your bike over teh one next to it
at 10 minutes you say, to use wd-40 on them, but especially kryptonite had highlighted on the product description to NOT use wd-40, because it drives the grease out of the lock and it dissolves the lubrication!
If ABUS paid for the content, paid for a rigged outcome etc...they'd hardly make the point public that it was their facilities that had been used. They may have just been confident that one of their locks would come out on top.
Derek Thompson Good point? It's his first sentence in the video! You can even see the abus sign at the building... While an independent laboratory would be better of course also the abus locks had to pass the same experiments. And the guy in the video is not part of the company. So as long as there is no more hints than that about manipulation I have no reason to really untrust this test. Abus locks are generally highly recommended, not only in this video.
Great video guys. Thanks for the research and time taken to do the testing. I have had a (Yellow) Kryptonite New York, D-lock for years. Before that I lost 2 bikes with cheaper locks. Once I spent a decent amount of money on security, not had a problem in 12 years. But choose carefully where you lock it up is just as important.
my friend locked his Triathlon bike next to my old lugged steel bike separate and even with my pig tail cable lock, they still went for his bike which had a Good proper U lock with all the wheels locked to the frame and everything
Ultimately, a junkie with a battery powered grinder is going to get your bike. And no one is going to argue with them either. Make sure your bike is insured and that your lock meets the requirements of your insurance policy. And use it. obs.
yes it always seems to be a junkie after something to sell for quick fix money, I had one of mine nicked outside a bike shop (!) and I did get it back fortunately, but of course it was a known junkie in the area.
I was doing an egr delete on my car last week and a junkie came up and tried to sell me a dewalt battery saw for a tenner, probably just stole it minutes before and I'll bet it cost close to £300........told him to get to but really wish I'd called the police because this scumbag is stealing peoples hard earned valuables everyday.
The best part of LPL, is that he is practical. The theoretical "best" is not really an issue. I don't care which one is best in the lab, but the one that beats a thief. Realistically, which ones are best against a bolt-cutter or battery grinder. LPL would probably pick any of these, but few street thieves could pick as well as the LPL.
this video should stop at 30sek with cut ..."what the hell we talk .... we already busted" .... and LPL is show ... with list off all this lock picked or brute in fast forward.... " if any way you still want watch rest of us 13 min video go on an waist you time'
And always lock your bike to something, the amount of times I see people just lock the rear wheel to their frame... They will just put it in a van and worry about the lock later.
I almost only lock my front-wheel to the frame, but it's secured with the Pitlock-System and you need the right of 50 or so "keys" to open it, so better look twice.
Certainly it's locked to a tube or something, but you can't just unscrew the wheel and take it away. IMO Pitlock is the as good as using two locks, just without any additional weight. And it's the best in combination with a U-lock. I'm just using a very short one from Abus with 1 kg weight because i don't need to fix additional parts, but with 15 mm thick tube it's more safe than any of the heavy chain-locks with maybe just 8 mm chains or this folding locks. Both of these heavier alternatives can be opened with a bolt-cutter. 15 mm is too thick for that and needs at least an angle grinder.
Wait, people actually lock their bikes to themselves? I've always locked my front wheel to my frame and everything to something sturdy, but never just the wheel to the frame.
...well, they also said all the locks did well against picking except one...which made me laugh too. But yeah, pixelating some guy raking and rocking at a lock was pretty funny. Guess we'll never know if it was a city or a bogota...
If you're on a budget; buy an absolute trash, beater bike from Ebay or Craigslist and use that when you need to lock something outside and keep your nice bike inside.
I dunno, I had a shitty old basic canary yellow mtb with 2 flats left sat outside my house for about a day when I couldn't bring it in the house... it got fucking nabbed! They take anything these days lol
@pete smyth It was 2 polish guys I caught them near my local shops with it, The bike was locked to my iron fence with a cheap tacky lock but they went through the hassle of cutting it and fixed the flats lol I actually confronted them but didn't give a shit about the bike and said they can keep it !
All this wasted money on false security. How about we fund a project for more "bait bikes" so that these scumbags won't even think of touching another bike. Society is too soft on crime
Nite Runnr I've been saying this same thing for a while now I don't see the point in expensive locks resistant to this and that method of entry when a thief will just find a way around it this is also why I stand by my method of securing my bike (motorcycle) which is completely counter intuitive by not actually securing it atall I don't lock it up or chain it to anything half the time I don't bother putting the steering lock on I just leave it in gear sat there and I've never had a bike stolen I 100% put this down to the fact that my bike is so easily and obviously stealable that to a would be thief it looks to much like bait to risk it Edit: on a side note I will also add I live in an area of the UK that has a moderately high rate of motor theft
.....and billions of bikers have to carry heavy locks because of these fuckers. I am in favor of 2 years of jail for every single stolen bike and I am a Lefty.
Check out the bait bike videos by +TwinzTV. This should be made into a national sport. The best one is probably the one with the copper wire runs under the handlebars connected to a remote high voltage trigger.
Never needed bike locks ever since i can remember because i live in Finland. 😎 You can leave your bike anywhere unlock and no one will steal it. Some might use it for a bit and just leave it when they are done.
@bikeradar, after seeing the LPL snip the lite lock in 16 seconds I feel let down by this entire video. It makes me wonder about your other content? At the very least it appears disingenuous to call this an independent test when it's performed at the Abus factory!
That's actually an anti-thief strategy i successfully applied for several years : having a cheep ugly and dirty bike that thief just don't bother to even try to still ;c)
I have watched several videos testing bike locks. No one has actually done the tests under ALL of the following conditions. 1. Use portable grinder popular with thieves. 2. Include in the tests the time to change out blades and batteries on the portable grinders. In real life that time would add to cutting the locks. 3. Locking the bike locks in a more realistic scenario wrapping the rear wheel, frame and bike rack. 4. Additional second or third lock wrapping around front wheel, frame and bike rack. 5. Steps to take if you encounter thief while in progress.
What a sad indictment of what society has become! I obviously live the sweet life living in a country where bike theft is so very low. But I used to live and work in London, and yes, things got nicked and I know people who lost there bike when thieves cut off parking meters to lift them off! However, the fact that you run such a test just highlights the fact that society has become so immensely disrespectful of other people's property, it seems like a disease. Huge shame.
I dont know if this has ever occurred to you, but locks, and even booby traps, have a pretty long history...... Britain used to imprison so many people they had to invade Australia to fit them all
You must be "new" to society. Bicycle theft has been a problem for decades. I worked with campus police 30 years ago trying to thwart bicycle thieves. And it wasn't "new" back then. So , it's nothing new. Sad, but true. I can say this: thanks to deteriorating economic conditions in many places in the world, things definitely don't seem to be getting better. Destitution and crime go hand-in-hand. The United States has seen flat wages for average Americans for four decades now. Blue collar jobs now pay poverty wages. Housing, health care and education costs are through the roof, as are short-term interest rates. Poor and borrowing money? You're SCREWED! If you want to reduce crime, increase economic prosperity for people. Where can you find the nearest large-scale bicycle chop shop? Any homeless encampment. Just one example supporting my statement.
The lock picking lawyer cut through the Lite lock with a good snips in seconds. The abus granite foldable was popped open with a manual press in seconds. I would avoid those entirely.
Exactly, that one video meant I was never buying the Litelok. To be fair they did stress that the cutting blades had to be the correct grade to make short work of that lock. It's not difficult to get that correct grade, but the average bike thief will just grab the biggest set of bolt croppers and get to work.
That's the problem with standardized lab test, they don't test each model for it's specific weakness. But any competent thief will. And here is the problem i buy a lock to prevent against thief not against lab.
@@neptune9443 I tried that but it was pretty difficult, almost impossible to walk comfortably with that shoe locker on my feet. Thanks for the suggestion anywho
Thank you for the review, I just had my motorbike stolen in broad daylight from a busy car park in Witham, Essex. I don’t want to go through this again so unbiased security review is very helpful. As for many people I never thought it would happen to me and consequently I was far too casual about security .
This is a test which needs to be redone but also needs to look at more than just locks. Life moves on and in the 5 years since this test, thieves have become more professional. As someone who has had 3 bikes stolen in 3 years what we have are thieves cruising around back streets in a non-descript white transit van (other makes are available!) looking for expensive bikes - anything over £500 that can be sold on. According to the police, the thieves come with big bolt cutters (36" handles or larger), portable angle grinders, sledgehammers, crowbars and screwdrivers. What they want to see is a bike which can be stolen inside a minute or so by attacking the weakest point of the security. It is no good having a chain which cannot be cut if the lock can be defeated in one cut by big bolt cutters. Similarly, any locking system ultimately has to have a fixing point in a wall, bike rack or ground anchor. You can have the strongest lock, the strongest chain but if the fixing point can be unscrewed, cut or prised off a wall it is useless against professional thieves.
I think if you combine the kryptonite evolution by and the lite lock for the front wheel with the unscrew-able bolts for the tires and seat, that would be the best option
Martijn klop this is not a motorcycle lock test. This is not a motorcycle TH-cam channel. I'm a motorcyclist too, I've never seen this lock in motorcycle shops. They all use Almax chains at the high end and Oxford Monster chains at the low end.
Sidowse it's not too small for me, I've been using it for 10+ years without issue. It carries scars of multiple attacks but is still fit for purpose. Agreed on carrying the Almax on a bicycle, it fits in a motorcycle top box just fine though.
TheAegisClaw and this abus lock is still a D lock. the heck I buy gloves for motorcycles for winter ride for my mtb. they are cheaper with much more quality and they work. what the heck are you talking about then. you sound more like a german who only use the right stuff. no hacks allowed? I use two abus bordo x , that is also 4kg ...
Just like the vise grip they used to hold the chains perfectly, when in real life situations chains attached to bikes move around, making them harder to get a good grip to angle grind.
Even in busy public places, it s not safe for any bike.. Thieves have experience, and they might say many things to get rid of sneaky people: i lost my key, blablabla… And 95% people wouldn t get stabbed, killed, or simply get into a fight for a bike, only owners might go for it :p I have even seen some thieves with police suit in Paris...Thieves creativity has no limit. Very nice video :)
Dismantling military grade circuit boards I ran into what I believe is teflon back plane inserts where gold plated pins pass through Applying propane heat will blister the teflon but will not incinerate it or melt it . If chains or bars can be wrapped in teflon cloth a grinder may bog down in the goo of the teflon prehaps coating the cutoff disc . And delaying the cut through of steel links or bars
What does it mean they passed the lockpicking test? What were the standards for passing? The best single key locks are rated for up to about 15 minutes, so what's this about "virtually unpickable"?
Try seconds to pick locks not minutes, only the very top of the range locks (used for shipping containers and high level security) take minutes and that is not the locks here. Unfortunately the casing on these locks are strong but the internals they skimp on, a lock picker will be in in seconds. As quick as you would take to use your key.
look up any high level lock manufacturer. Medeco rate theirs to 15 minutes. ANSI Grade 1 standard expect the lock to withstand only 10 minutes of lockpicking.
9:56 - Almost positive that WD-40 dries out locking mechanisms. Better to use a lock lubricant with graphite? Other than that, great video and breakdown of all the locks.
At least having a 'good lock' means you can relax when you are inside and your bike is outside. And when it gets stolen it gets stolen. At least you aren't worrying about it up until that point ;-)
Thank you! I have already seen tons of videos and decides to go with Kryptonite Evolution, but this video should have definitely more views, as it is just great. :)
I got the hiplock lite(bronze version of the homie) today for my $300 ebike from Costco. Their chain performance gives me confidence that I'll be able to run into gas station or the grocery store worry free
The funny thing is that riding your best bike pretty much means your nice carbon frame gets utterly destroyed if they try to force it open. I doesn't even need to be a top of the line lock for that matter lol.
The only tests you should be doing: - can you cut it with bolt cutters - can you pick it fairly quickly Whether the chain can withstand a 5 ton pull or a 10 ton pull doesnt matter as no thief is carrying around hydraulics. If the thief cant get the bike off the location quietly in a few minutes nothing else matters. Once he gets it in a shop it doesn't matter if it takes 10 seconds of loud cutting or 1 day.
Not so...anyone with a $200 portable grinder can have you bike. All that noise and sparks are negated by wearing a contruction helmet, a safety vest and a smile.
Thanks for all the hardcore testing - was just about to buy the Kryptonite or the ABUS, but then there is the video on lockpicking Kryptonite within 15 sec (LockpickingLawyer) and for ABUS there is the "Polenschlüssel" allowing it to open within seconds as well. I looked at the LiteLock, which I thought of as a second security step, but a guy opened it within 17secs. => 45 sec in Total (not worth it); then I thought of Abus Bordo with the number field to bring a little switch - but: Bordo can be easily opened as well (LockpickingLawyer) …. which raises the question: why are those companies even in business :-)
You dont seem to understand that every lock can be picked and broken into but it is just about how much time it would take and also lpl is professional lock picker so of course it is gonna look easy to open them
Why is the onguard not even mentioned? When going across the boxes I saw a fully twisted one still locked. It also can NOT be cut with bolt cutters. Its way cheaper and as good or better than the rest? Whats the deal?
@@2007Tubes I was going based on his videos. He picked the 8001 brute in 58 seconds. He didn't use an angle grinder, he used hydraulic cutters which didn't go through. Any D-Lock can be cut with a grinder very quickly. The OnGuard guarantee which means they will replace your bike if the lock has been broken gets void by power tools. I wonder why!
@@hippopotamus86 and in the video he states that the type of tool used its very very unlikely to be picked. You want 2 things in a lock, cant be cut by bolt cutters and the average person cant pick. A talented lock pick can pick literally any of them, bolt cutters are the main enemy.
@@hippopotamus86 to be precise, he said the mechanism isnt hard but its unlikely to be picked on the street due to its uniqueness. Its literally the best lock for the money.
Why ruin a perfectly good video by bullshitting us and telling us all but one of the locks passed the "lockpicking test"? Five minutes? Was that each or for all of them? Anyone who watches any of the lockpickers on YT (Bosnian Bill, LPL, etc.) knows that most of the locks in this test can be picked _very_ quickly. Some of them in a matter of seconds. Also, blurring out someone clumsily trying to rake a lock is actually pretty silly.
Rather than bullshitting...maybe they were mistaken? Rather than be accusitory...maybe ask a valid question in a civilized manner? BTW...was this a perfectly good video ruined?
Great work! Not to nitpick, but the table you posted online could use another axis label somewhere in the middle to make it easier to use. Or a product comparison tool. Thanks!
I have watched other videos where they blew through every one of these sorts of locks in seconds using tools that you could hide under a loose jacket and are well known to bike thieves. I call BS on this entire set of tests except for the corrosion test. They were more of a mechanical engineering test. Professional bike thieves will use the exact right tool for the job and know which tool will exploit which weak aspect of any given lock. It doesn't matter if a lock is fantastic to 99 out of 100 tests if the bike thief will zero in on that 1 weakness. To reference the lockpickinglawyer(787) as a perfect example of the bS contained in this video. He is glowing about the litelock. He lists the attacks that it is "pretty much impervious to" which were twisting and pulling. WTF? What thief would twist or pull any cable lock? They cut them. And as the lockpickinglawyer showed it held out for 16 seconds. The next BS I call is that people won't use these tools in crowded spaces. There are about 1 zillion videos of people using major tools in obvious ways in crowded places. But nobody does a thing. Even calling the cops is probably useless in that most locks won't last a minute when the right tool is used. But the litelock again is another example of the BS factor as you don't need to cut the whole lock in one go. I have seen bike thieve videos where they use little wire cutters to nibble their way through the largest of cables. It looks like they are unlocking the bike for the most part. Basically, if you live where there is a bike theft problem no bike left unattended will last more than a minute or so with any reasonable bike lock regardless of how these guys rate it. Also, what was with that wallet sized angle grinder? If you look at the ones used in security video of real bike thieves at work they look like the larger disk 24v ones at least.
Regarding the Hiplok Gold Homie, keep in mind it's just a very long Hiplok Gold and it's meant in no way to be carried around. The standard Gold is still a big baby (2.4kg) but you completely forget it as it fits around your waist (like hiking backpacks). Still, this kind of price is justified only if you ride a fancy bike. Elseway, the Hiplok Lite is just perfect - convenience-wise - and has a moderate budget (a big 50-ish euros).
Seems more like paid advertisement from Abus. If you spent 11k on locks for this, You probably should document each test in video. Also, i noticed some of the locks being tested in this video not shown in the results table you provided. Why is that?
No money changed hands in relation to the test results or verdicts. Testing took several days, so obviously we're not going to show every test. There's a link to the full table of results in the video description.
@@bikeradar Will you here swear that abus don't pay for ads on your magazine ever ? Why is it that the standard test chosen here are the one attacking the knows strength of abus products ? And why is that that on the other hand none of the known weakness of the abus product are tested ? All this "test" show is abus products are strong on their strength, but that's by no mean a real life security comparison. Come on, this is clearly an abus marketing campaign. It's so obvious. If you did not get paid by abus then you've been abused, seriously !
After watching this video I did a search for this lock. I found video where a guy picked it and said it wasn't hard to pick. He did it in a couple of minutes. Then found another video where a guy had one of these and he lost his key so he used a grinder on it. He cut through the main lock part in 50 seconds....
SO here's an idea for one of you lock companies to help counter the disc cutter attack. Make a material that has the equivalent effect the chainsaw protection "chaps" pants. The instant a spinning chain saw touches the pants some fibrous material from the pants instantly clogs up the chain and stops the chainsaw. One of your locks had fabric around it so just replace that fabric with some material that clogs up a spinning disc and if possible make it so its super flexible too and just yields to bolt cutter so that even if the bolt cutters can break the metal, the squishy stretchy nature of the fabric surrounding the lock just gets flattened out and springs back when the comparatively bluntish bolt cutter blades are released. You could also make it some rubbery material that stinks to high heaven and makes nasty smoke like when you burn a car tyre, in case thieves try to burn it off before bolt cutting.
In B&Q there's also a ton of bike locks, one of the biggest, beefiest D locks I've ever seen for £12 I don't know how it would compare to a Kryptonite for example but if you're on a budget, it's certainly the one I'd choose.
![[616] Nut Splitter vs. Abus Bordo X-Plus 6500](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zs8uyPsDaw0/mqdefault.jpg)
I'm stunned that the Abus locksmiths couldn't pick many/most of these. Several of these locks are not particularly challenging. I'm not sure what to say.
Also, I noticed the Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit U locks in the pictures, but they are not listed in the results. I wonder why that is. It seems that this test might have been comparing Kryptonite's JV to the Abus varsity team.
LockPickingLawyer Mr LPL, what did you think about the Litelock?
Ronnie Dylan No idea... I've not had the opportunity to test one, but as a general matter, I'm not a fan of cable locks.
LockPickingLawyer they went to alot of trouble testing but to me it was biased and disappointing...waste of time apart from advertising propaganda.
Yeah, I think the keyword here should be "independent". I think they wasted all these locks on inferior testing methods and should do it again properly....and get LPL or someone popular in the UK like Lock Noob to do the picking test component. Cheers SLPC. :)
The Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit U locks are in the results. Go in the description and click on the imgur link. It is 5th from the top in the table. It is listed as "Kryptonite New York M18." Which is the fahgedaboudit lock.
4:25 "Litelok is by far the most usable and toughest in our test"
*looks to the right at suggested videos*
LockPickingLawyer: "Litelok Gold Cut in 16 Seconds!"
29 locks , rather than give a easy summary for us to decide, it's a lot of rambling on without structure. How about a table at the end summarising each lock and test. A wasted opportunity.
I sold my only bike to buy Abus extreme.
Bartooc lol
u did a great job man !
Now lock yourhome with that.
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Simply genius. Well done,you made us smile.
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The only problem with Abus Extreme is that thiefs will cut the frame and steal the lock instead.
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That’s true lol 🤪😂🤣
ok neckbeard
I lost my key after I locked my bike up outside of a baseball stadium. I came back the next day with a grinder and went to work on it. People walking by didn't even so much look at me.
That's why you never throw away your receipt
Better than one super lock is to use two different types. For instance a cable is vulnerable to wire cutters but surprisingly good against saws, bolt cutters and jacks. A D lock good against cutters and saws. That way the thief needs to carry lots of tools and use atleast two to get your bike.
That is actually pretty enlightened
yep I agree 100% with that; I use a "Kryptonite New York M18" U lock , a "Hiplok Gold" chain lock, and a £10 cable lock
I like your suggestion to use two different types, but not all cables are good against saws. I had a cable which took less than 5 seconds to saw through with a hacksaw.
I like what you are saying but I think cables are as good as useless because they can be defeated by the smallest to carry wirecutters , just nibble into them. The smallest bolt croppers will go Cable like butter , it might leave a few straggly ends which can be easily cleaned through with wirecutters .
There is also the 'hassle' effect - its not about how good any lock is, but the total hassle involved. A good chain, a decent secondary and a disc lock and youve made yourself enough of a pain in the arse they arent gonna choose your bike over teh one next to it
at 10 minutes you say, to use wd-40 on them, but especially kryptonite had highlighted on the product description to NOT use wd-40, because it drives the grease out of the lock and it dissolves the lubrication!
Abus won in their own lab. That's nice.
ROFL What do you expect - good point though.
"i only believe in statistics that i doctored myself" + marketing = capitalism
If ABUS paid for the content, paid for a rigged outcome etc...they'd hardly make the point public that it was their facilities that had been used. They may have just been confident that one of their locks would come out on top.
Derek Thompson Good point? It's his first sentence in the video! You can even see the abus sign at the building...
While an independent laboratory would be better of course also the abus locks had to pass the same experiments. And the guy in the video is not part of the company. So as long as there is no more hints than that about manipulation I have no reason to really untrust this test. Abus locks are generally highly recommended, not only in this video.
It's still a decent video we didn't have to pay to watch. It's Friday night and I'm 3 beers in.
They said so much but told so little.
Great video guys. Thanks for the research and time taken to do the testing. I have had a (Yellow) Kryptonite New York, D-lock for years. Before that I lost 2 bikes with cheaper locks. Once I spent a decent amount of money on security, not had a problem in 12 years. But choose carefully where you lock it up is just as important.
Where would you recommend to lock a bike?
Which D lock kriptonite you recomend ?
You don’t need the best lock there is, you just need a better lock than the guy next to you...
Lennart Meinke or a worse looking bike xP (my sacrifice bike is worth 150 USD as best...new xD)
but the guy next to you also has a sh it bike and your bike is like a jack pot to the thief.......
my friend locked his Triathlon bike next to my old lugged steel bike separate and even with my pig tail cable lock, they still went for his bike which had a Good proper U lock with all the wheels locked to the frame and everything
Mr.ActionGal101 I am curious, how do they defeated the u lock?
Mr.ActionGal101 did they succeed on stealing his bike??!
After watching so many videos by the Lock Picking Lawyer, I laughed at my prediction that an Abus lock would win. Bye bye credibility!
Ultimately, a junkie with a battery powered grinder is going to get your bike. And no one is going to argue with them either. Make sure your bike is insured and that your lock meets the requirements of your insurance policy. And use it. obs.
yes it always seems to be a junkie after something to sell for quick fix money, I had one of mine nicked outside a bike shop (!) and I did get it back fortunately, but of course it was a known junkie in the area.
I was doing an egr delete on my car last week and a junkie came up and tried to sell me a dewalt battery saw for a tenner, probably just stole it minutes before and I'll bet it cost close to £300........told him to get to but really wish I'd called the police because this scumbag is stealing peoples hard earned valuables everyday.
xetexuk12 brick lane?
WeTheTech No, this was in Ware, Herts
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This test didn't include the Lock Picking Lawyer. :)
i was looking for this comment
............as an avid follower of the LPL
The best part of LPL, is that he is practical. The theoretical "best" is not really an issue. I don't care which one is best in the lab, but the one that beats a thief. Realistically, which ones are best against a bolt-cutter or battery grinder.
LPL would probably pick any of these, but few street thieves could pick as well as the LPL.
In any case, that's all I have for you today.
nor ram guns
this video should stop at 30sek with cut ..."what the hell we talk .... we already busted" .... and LPL is show ... with list off all this lock picked or brute in fast forward.... " if any way you still want watch rest of us 13 min video go on an waist you time'
And always lock your bike to something, the amount of times I see people just lock the rear wheel to their frame... They will just put it in a van and worry about the lock later.
Yea, or they lock their bike to something that is less tough than the lock itself...
I almost only lock my front-wheel to the frame, but it's secured with the Pitlock-System and you need the right of 50 or so "keys" to open it, so better look twice.
+Leynad Jee I don't get it. Your bike isn't locked to anything?
Certainly it's locked to a tube or something, but you can't just unscrew the wheel and take it away. IMO Pitlock is the as good as using two locks, just without any additional weight. And it's the best in combination with a U-lock. I'm just using a very short one from Abus with 1 kg weight because i don't need to fix additional parts, but with 15 mm thick tube it's more safe than any of the heavy chain-locks with maybe just 8 mm chains or this folding locks. Both of these heavier alternatives can be opened with a bolt-cutter. 15 mm is too thick for that and needs at least an angle grinder.
Wait, people actually lock their bikes to themselves? I've always locked my front wheel to my frame and everything to something sturdy, but never just the wheel to the frame.
Laughed at your pixelated lock picking attempt, I thought we were past the concept of security through obscurity?
...well, they also said all the locks did well against picking except one...which made me laugh too. But yeah, pixelating some guy raking and rocking at a lock was pretty funny. Guess we'll never know if it was a city or a bogota...
It’s an advert. It’s not a serious test.
If you're on a budget; buy an absolute trash, beater bike from Ebay or Craigslist and use that when you need to lock something outside and keep your nice bike inside.
EXACTLY! Why can't I thumb this up 10 times?! I bought an 80's bike for £35, it works a charm and no one wants to steal it.
That's my pub bike!
have been using this scheme quite a while.
I dunno, I had a shitty old basic canary yellow mtb with 2 flats left sat outside my house for about a day when I couldn't bring it in the house... it got fucking nabbed! They take anything these days lol
@pete smyth It was 2 polish guys I caught them near my local shops with it, The bike was locked to my iron fence with a cheap tacky lock but they went through the hassle of cutting it and fixed the flats lol
I actually confronted them but didn't give a shit about the bike and said they can keep it !
All this wasted money on false security.
How about we fund a project for more "bait bikes" so that these scumbags won't even think of touching another bike.
Society is too soft on crime
Nite Runnr I've been saying this same thing for a while now I don't see the point in expensive locks resistant to this and that method of entry when a thief will just find a way around it
this is also why I stand by my method of securing my bike (motorcycle) which is completely counter intuitive by not actually securing it atall I don't lock it up or chain it to anything half the time I don't bother putting the steering lock on I just leave it in gear sat there and I've never had a bike stolen I 100% put this down to the fact that my bike is so easily and obviously stealable that to a would be thief it looks to much like bait to risk it
Edit: on a side note I will also add I live in an area of the UK that has a moderately high rate of motor theft
Hear hear
.....and billions of bikers have to carry heavy locks because of these fuckers. I am in favor of 2 years of jail for every single stolen bike and I am a Lefty.
Check out the bait bike videos by +TwinzTV. This should be made into a national sport. The best one is probably the one with the copper wire runs under the handlebars connected to a remote high voltage trigger.
"I am a Lefty" it might be better to just say "I am capable of logical reasoning"
Never needed bike locks ever since i can remember because i live in Finland. 😎
You can leave your bike anywhere unlock and no one will steal it. Some might use it for a bit and just leave it when they are done.
Thank you guys so much, a video like this was urgently needed.
A fair one would have been better !
@bikeradar, after seeing the LPL snip the lite lock in 16 seconds I feel let down by this entire video. It makes me wonder about your other content? At the very least it appears disingenuous to call this an independent test when it's performed at the Abus factory!
And their top pick is the Abus lock =]
All these locks are worth more than my bike.
some are used on motorcycles .
Half of these locks are heavier than the bike I would lock with them if I had that amount of money to spend on a lock.
To get a bike under 6kg which is still heavier than all the locks you would be looking at atleast $8k yet purchasing a lock is to much?
congrats, you have apropriate commune bike
That's actually an anti-thief strategy i successfully applied for several years : having a cheep ugly and dirty bike that thief just don't bother to even try to still ;c)
I have watched several videos testing bike locks. No one has actually done the tests under ALL of the following conditions. 1. Use portable grinder popular with thieves. 2. Include in the tests the time to change out blades and batteries on the portable grinders. In real life that time would add to cutting the locks. 3. Locking the bike locks in a more realistic scenario wrapping the rear wheel, frame and bike rack. 4. Additional second or third lock wrapping around front wheel, frame and bike rack. 5. Steps to take if you encounter thief while in progress.
Best video for everyday commuters by far.
Michael Kenny amen
IT is totally full of lies. What are you talking about?
only if you think everyday thief carry vise with them. ahem !
What a sad indictment of what society has become! I obviously live the sweet life living in a country where bike theft is so very low. But I used to live and work in London, and yes, things got nicked and I know people who lost there bike when thieves cut off parking meters to lift them off! However, the fact that you run such a test just highlights the fact that society has become so immensely disrespectful of other people's property, it seems like a disease. Huge shame.
eilrach299 a well known chav once said "ask not what you can do for britain, but what you can nick from it".
I dont know if this has ever occurred to you, but locks, and even booby traps, have a pretty long history...... Britain used to imprison so many people they had to invade Australia to fit them all
That is a romantic and simplified view of what causes theft. Were it only that simple.
You must be "new" to society. Bicycle theft has been a problem for decades. I worked with campus police 30 years ago trying to thwart bicycle thieves. And it wasn't "new" back then. So , it's nothing new. Sad, but true.
I can say this: thanks to deteriorating economic conditions in many places in the world, things definitely don't seem to be getting better. Destitution and crime go hand-in-hand. The United States has seen flat wages for average Americans for four decades now. Blue collar jobs now pay poverty wages. Housing, health care and education costs are through the roof, as are short-term interest rates. Poor and borrowing money? You're SCREWED! If you want to reduce crime, increase economic prosperity for people.
Where can you find the nearest large-scale bicycle chop shop? Any homeless encampment. Just one example supporting my statement.
The lock picking lawyer cut through the Lite lock with a good snips in seconds. The abus granite foldable was popped open with a manual press in seconds. I would avoid those entirely.
Exactly, that one video meant I was never buying the Litelok. To be fair they did stress that the cutting blades had to be the correct grade to make short work of that lock. It's not difficult to get that correct grade, but the average bike thief will just grab the biggest set of bolt croppers and get to work.
Which U-lock for up to 50-60$ would you recommend?
@@DashCamSerbia The Seatylock Mason is very light and affordable.
@@barrygenemurphy Thank you.
That's the problem with standardized lab test, they don't test each model for it's specific weakness. But any competent thief will. And here is the problem i buy a lock to prevent against thief not against lab.
"Hello this is the Lock picking lawyer. I'm here......"
*Abus QUICKLY closes up shop* Click locks door.
Lock picking lawyer "Interesting door lock..."
Haha
My bike has never been stolen.
I keep it locked up in my garage & walk wherever I have to go.
Unfortunately I have had my shoes stolen numerous times.
RIM SHOTS!!! BRILLIANT! (My kind of offbeat humor). This type of humor is referred to as a "paraprosdokian", BTW.
@@usernamemykel
Thanks my friend.
The sad part is I wasn't joking 😨😀😀😀🤔😀😀😀
What sort of kicks do you rok?
@@barryhernandez6428 get a shoe locker!
@@neptune9443 I tried that but it was pretty difficult, almost impossible to walk comfortably with that shoe locker on my feet.
Thanks for the suggestion anywho
Thank you for the review, I just had my motorbike stolen in broad daylight from a busy car park in Witham, Essex. I don’t want to go through this again so unbiased security review is very helpful. As for many people I never thought it would happen to me and consequently I was far too casual about security .
Sorry about that. What do you use for security now?
Lockpicking Lawyer channel took that Litelock out with cable cutters in 16 seconds.
This is a test which needs to be redone but also needs to look at more than just locks. Life moves on and in the 5 years since this test, thieves have become more professional. As someone who has had 3 bikes stolen in 3 years what we have are thieves cruising around back streets in a non-descript white transit van (other makes are available!) looking for expensive bikes - anything over £500 that can be sold on. According to the police, the thieves come with big bolt cutters (36" handles or larger), portable angle grinders, sledgehammers, crowbars and screwdrivers. What they want to see is a bike which can be stolen inside a minute or so by attacking the weakest point of the security.
It is no good having a chain which cannot be cut if the lock can be defeated in one cut by big bolt cutters. Similarly, any locking system ultimately has to have a fixing point in a wall, bike rack or ground anchor. You can have the strongest lock, the strongest chain but if the fixing point can be unscrewed, cut or prised off a wall it is useless against professional thieves.
I think if you combine the kryptonite evolution by and the lite lock for the front wheel with the unscrew-able bolts for the tires and seat, that would be the best option
Very heavy locks are actually part of my fitness program. When I carry more weight I get more exercise, especially on climbs.
Hahaha it's so stupid how they blur the lock picking considering you can find a video about how to pick every single lock here on TH-cam
Superb test. Well done Bikeradar!
When you leave out Kryptonite's strongest lock, the New York Mini, but include Abus' top of the line you lose a lot of credibility with this test.
Martijn klop you believe that Abus sell more of their £230 locks than their other models? Seriously?!
Martijn klop this is not a motorcycle lock test. This is not a motorcycle TH-cam channel. I'm a motorcyclist too, I've never seen this lock in motorcycle shops. They all use Almax chains at the high end and Oxford Monster chains at the low end.
Sidowse it's not too small for me, I've been using it for 10+ years without issue. It carries scars of multiple attacks but is still fit for purpose. Agreed on carrying the Almax on a bicycle, it fits in a motorcycle top box just fine though.
TheAegisClaw and this abus lock is still a D lock. the heck I buy gloves for motorcycles for winter ride for my mtb. they are cheaper with much more quality and they work. what the heck are you talking about then. you sound more like a german who only use the right stuff. no hacks allowed? I use two abus bordo x , that is also 4kg ...
Yes I was surprised that Kryptonite's Locks were not part of the test I guess it depends on who the sponsor of the test is?
Thank you for this amazing testvideo. Guys you're awesome 👌
very interesting....good job !
Wobbly hack saw! thats a great test
Just like the vise grip they used to hold the chains perfectly, when in real life situations chains attached to bikes move around, making them harder to get a good grip to angle grind.
I expect to start seeing a lot more iron railings with sections mission because of these locks.
Brilliantly useful roundup. Thanks ever so much for uploading!!
Even in busy public places, it s not safe for any bike..
Thieves have experience, and they might say many things to get rid of sneaky people: i lost my key, blablabla…
And 95% people wouldn t get stabbed, killed, or simply get into a fight for a bike, only owners might go for it :p
I have even seen some thieves with police suit in Paris...Thieves creativity has no limit.
Very nice video :)
Dismantling military grade circuit boards I ran into what I believe is teflon back plane inserts where gold plated pins pass through
Applying propane heat will blister the teflon but will not incinerate it or melt it . If chains or bars can be wrapped in teflon cloth a grinder may bog down in the goo of the teflon prehaps coating the cutoff disc . And delaying the cut through of steel links or bars
What does it mean they passed the lockpicking test? What were the standards for passing? The best single key locks are rated for up to about 15 minutes, so what's this about "virtually unpickable"?
Try seconds to pick locks not minutes, only the very top of the range locks (used for shipping containers and high level security) take minutes and that is not the locks here. Unfortunately the casing on these locks are strong but the internals they skimp on, a lock picker will be in in seconds. As quick as you would take to use your key.
Source?
look up any high level lock manufacturer. Medeco rate theirs to 15 minutes. ANSI Grade 1 standard expect the lock to withstand only 10 minutes of lockpicking.
Just The Highlights bosnianbill
Just The Highlights lockpicker lawyer
Thank you for your tests. this video was very usefull to help me better understanding bike security.
9:56 - Almost positive that WD-40 dries out locking mechanisms. Better to use a lock lubricant with graphite? Other than that, great video and breakdown of all the locks.
Lord Anton graphite will only gunk up with moisture. Better to use teflon based lube.
WD 40 is a penetrant, it dries. Lithium spray is better
Great video - hope you can do another one!
At least having a 'good lock' means you can relax when you are inside and your bike is outside. And when it gets stolen it gets stolen. At least you aren't worrying about it up until that point ;-)
Kinda like marriage. You're not worried about divorce, until she takes your kids and your furniture. xD
tenshi7angel and the dog
Thank you! I have already seen tons of videos and decides to go with Kryptonite Evolution, but this video should have definitely more views, as it is just great. :)
Why did you not include the Decathlon locks?
Great work guys!
should have give a run down from top to bottom all locks tested a chart would have done
I got the hiplock lite(bronze version of the homie) today for my $300 ebike from Costco. Their chain performance gives me confidence that I'll be able to run into gas station or the grocery store worry free
The funny thing is that riding your best bike pretty much means your nice carbon frame gets utterly destroyed if they try to force it open. I doesn't even need to be a top of the line lock for that matter lol.
shredfreak83 if they cant cut the locks they just cut ur frame for parts.
The baddies likely would use whatever method would not damage their new soon to be sold bike.
Excellent vid thank you so much for the knowledge! and your testing!
PLEASE! This videos is BS. Check out the lock picking lawer.
Have two bikes: cheap one and an expensive one. And never leave the second alone :P
Then how do you ride the other bike I ask? ;)
That is impractical
@@ChePennyDK My other bike is my racing bike. It is glued to me everywhere I take it. The cheap one gets locked and goes on commutes.
Brilliant video. Many thanks.
Should commission LockPickingLawyer to do a proper bike lock video series.
But abus won't pay ads in their magazine for that.
Brilliant job guys!
Thank you for that test.
The only tests you should be doing:
- can you cut it with bolt cutters
- can you pick it fairly quickly
Whether the chain can withstand a 5 ton pull or a 10 ton pull doesnt matter as no thief is carrying around hydraulics.
If the thief cant get the bike off the location quietly in a few minutes nothing else matters. Once he gets it in a shop it doesn't matter if it takes 10 seconds of loud cutting or 1 day.
Not so...anyone with a $200 portable grinder can have you bike. All that noise and sparks are negated by wearing a contruction helmet, a safety vest and a smile.
Great vid guys!
Thanks for all the hardcore testing - was just about to buy the Kryptonite or the ABUS, but then there is the video on lockpicking Kryptonite within 15 sec (LockpickingLawyer) and for ABUS there is the "Polenschlüssel" allowing it to open within seconds as well. I looked at the LiteLock, which I thought of as a second security step, but a guy opened it within 17secs. => 45 sec in Total (not worth it); then I thought of Abus Bordo with the number field to bring a little switch - but: Bordo can be easily opened as well (LockpickingLawyer) …. which raises the question: why are those companies even in business :-)
@IronArmor And your bikes is as heavy as a really cheap bike that no one would steal anyway.
You dont seem to understand that every lock can be picked and broken into but it is just about how much time it would take and also lpl is professional lock picker so of course it is gonna look easy to open them
Go ahead and take all your life creating an unpickable lock, you wont succed.
Impressive integrity in testing.
NONE of these locks can withstand a cheap cordless grinder. so . . .
Add 3 or more additional layers of jb weld mixed with sand grit, wrap in electric tape. Should wreck grinder blades.
@@preluder4 and be so heavy that you might as well just buy a cheap bike.
The new hip lock D1000 mat be a match for the Abus granit extreme but is currently out of stock and is even more expensive.
Why is the onguard not even mentioned? When going across the boxes I saw a fully twisted one still locked. It also can NOT be cut with bolt cutters. Its way cheaper and as good or better than the rest? Whats the deal?
less than a minute with angle grinder, also less than a minute to pick by someone experienced.
@@hippopotamus86 incorrect...lock picking lawyer proved otherwise. Its literally the best for the money.
@@2007Tubes I was going based on his videos. He picked the 8001 brute in 58 seconds. He didn't use an angle grinder, he used hydraulic cutters which didn't go through. Any D-Lock can be cut with a grinder very quickly. The OnGuard guarantee which means they will replace your bike if the lock has been broken gets void by power tools. I wonder why!
@@hippopotamus86 and in the video he states that the type of tool used its very very unlikely to be picked. You want 2 things in a lock, cant be cut by bolt cutters and the average person cant pick.
A talented lock pick can pick literally any of them, bolt cutters are the main enemy.
@@hippopotamus86 to be precise, he said the mechanism isnt hard but its unlikely to be picked on the street due to its uniqueness.
Its literally the best lock for the money.
Awesome video!!
Why ruin a perfectly good video by bullshitting us and telling us all but one of the locks passed the "lockpicking test"? Five minutes? Was that each or for all of them? Anyone who watches any of the lockpickers on YT (Bosnian Bill, LPL, etc.) knows that most of the locks in this test can be picked _very_ quickly. Some of them in a matter of seconds.
Also, blurring out someone clumsily trying to rake a lock is actually pretty silly.
James Barca you’re right but I’d be surprised if even 1% of bike thieves are picking locks.
Rather than bullshitting...maybe they were mistaken? Rather than be accusitory...maybe ask a valid question in a civilized manner? BTW...was this a perfectly good video ruined?
@@geraldhenrickson7472
^^LOL
tone troller is ON PATROL!
great work guys!
Great work! Not to nitpick, but the table you posted online could use another axis label somewhere in the middle to make it easier to use. Or a product comparison tool. Thanks!
No problem Adam, thanks for the feedback!
I've waited for ever for this thank you!
Where have you been Warren? We missed you man :)
Its great that all the manufacturers agreed to this, and the transparency involved is very refreshing. Thank you for this test
Sany Nava where was the transparency?
why does Abus ignore the weakest part of folding locks - the rivets? very easy to cut with bolt cutters.
beholderlt not on the X
If you mean their folding locks...the rivets are hardly the weakest point.
a great test great job on this one
They didn't even test the fahgettaboudit cause FAHGETTABOUDIT!
I think they tested it, because it's in some shots ;)
Impressive! Thick hardened steel, bulky lock house ......nice but the weak point of this kind of locks is the place where you put the key in.
I have watched other videos where they blew through every one of these sorts of locks in seconds using tools that you could hide under a loose jacket and are well known to bike thieves. I call BS on this entire set of tests except for the corrosion test. They were more of a mechanical engineering test. Professional bike thieves will use the exact right tool for the job and know which tool will exploit which weak aspect of any given lock. It doesn't matter if a lock is fantastic to 99 out of 100 tests if the bike thief will zero in on that 1 weakness. To reference the lockpickinglawyer(787) as a perfect example of the bS contained in this video. He is glowing about the litelock. He lists the attacks that it is "pretty much impervious to" which were twisting and pulling. WTF? What thief would twist or pull any cable lock? They cut them. And as the lockpickinglawyer showed it held out for 16 seconds.
The next BS I call is that people won't use these tools in crowded spaces. There are about 1 zillion videos of people using major tools in obvious ways in crowded places. But nobody does a thing. Even calling the cops is probably useless in that most locks won't last a minute when the right tool is used. But the litelock again is another example of the BS factor as you don't need to cut the whole lock in one go. I have seen bike thieve videos where they use little wire cutters to nibble their way through the largest of cables. It looks like they are unlocking the bike for the most part.
Basically, if you live where there is a bike theft problem no bike left unattended will last more than a minute or so with any reasonable bike lock regardless of how these guys rate it.
Also, what was with that wallet sized angle grinder? If you look at the ones used in security video of real bike thieves at work they look like the larger disk 24v ones at least.
Regarding the Hiplok Gold Homie, keep in mind it's just a very long Hiplok Gold and it's meant in no way to be carried around. The standard Gold is still a big baby (2.4kg) but you completely forget it as it fits around your waist (like hiking backpacks). Still, this kind of price is justified only if you ride a fancy bike. Elseway, the Hiplok Lite is just perfect - convenience-wise - and has a moderate budget (a big 50-ish euros).
Seems more like paid advertisement from Abus. If you spent 11k on locks for this, You probably should document each test in video. Also, i noticed some of the locks being tested in this video not shown in the results table you provided. Why is that?
No money changed hands in relation to the test results or verdicts. Testing took several days, so obviously we're not going to show every test. There's a link to the full table of results in the video description.
@@bikeradar Will you here swear that abus don't pay for ads on your magazine ever ? Why is it that the standard test chosen here are the one attacking the knows strength of abus products ? And why is that that on the other hand none of the known weakness of the abus product are tested ? All this "test" show is abus products are strong on their strength, but that's by no mean a real life security comparison.
Come on, this is clearly an abus marketing campaign. It's so obvious. If you did not get paid by abus then you've been abused, seriously !
I only clicked to see the bench vise, and it's a Heuer ''Front'' vise! Forged steel, I love those things!
#stoplockabuse
#locklivesmatter
#justiceforlocks
Amazing video. Congratulations!
very good tests, thank you !
After watching this video I did a search for this lock. I found video where a guy picked it and said it wasn't hard to pick. He did it in a couple of minutes. Then found another video where a guy had one of these and he lost his key so he used a grinder on it. He cut through the main lock part in 50 seconds....
Amazing vid! Thanks guys!
Invaluable video and work, Thanks!
SO here's an idea for one of you lock companies to help counter the disc cutter attack. Make a material that has the equivalent effect the chainsaw protection "chaps" pants. The instant a spinning chain saw touches the pants some fibrous material from the pants instantly clogs up the chain and stops the chainsaw.
One of your locks had fabric around it so just replace that fabric with some material that clogs up a spinning disc and if possible make it so its super flexible too and just yields to bolt cutter so that even if the bolt cutters can break the metal, the squishy stretchy nature of the fabric surrounding the lock just gets flattened out and springs back when the comparatively bluntish bolt cutter blades are released. You could also make it some rubbery material that stinks to high heaven and makes nasty smoke like when you burn a car tyre, in case thieves try to burn it off before bolt cutting.
cant believe I watched a video on bike locks for almost 15 minutes lmao
Watched it twice for no reasons
Hey, this is a really great video. Good job.
Great information
Amazing video. This is how you do reviews. Off to buy myself a Hiplock Homie and Abus Granit Extreme. Job done. Cheers!
LockPickingLawyer cut the LiteLok Gold in a mere 16 seconds, LOL
great video guys, brilliant job, thanks for share
just type lock attack on youtube search and watch few other video before calling this one great. This is clearly a marketing campaign from abus.
Awesome thanks for a very useful information.
No worries, thanks for watching!
it's an ad, don't get traped
Great video, thanks!
Good video to watch
In B&Q there's also a ton of bike locks, one of the biggest, beefiest D locks I've ever seen for £12
I don't know how it would compare to a Kryptonite for example but if you're on a budget, it's certainly the one I'd choose.
thanks good report I would have like to see some tasing on the Kryptonite's cables