I’ve been riding the ultra carve for a couple months in NYC, honestly it really shines in the city - being relatively flat and super crowded all the time, having that extra agility to dodge obstacles and change direction so fast is awesome. That said, it’s absolutely TERRIFYING on any slight hill.
I bought the Tugboat Ultra Carve set-up in summer 2023 and you are absolutely correct that it gets sketchy quickly at speed. I live in the Seattle area and ride mostly on hills, so it was simply too squirrely for my taste. I moved the 130 mm RKPs with the 63 mm Fatty Hawgs to my Landyatchz Ripper and now have 130 mm TKP with 60 mm Chubby Hawgs on the Tugboat. The Ripper rides amazing with this set-up and I feel a lot more stable on the Tugboat now. I sometimes will swap these two set-ups for fun, but that is usually temporary. Love your channel and how you explain things! Keep putting out your amazing content!
Same. I put the 130 RKPs on the Ripper and it’s amazing and left the 130 tkps with doozies on the tugboat. I’m now thinking about going for bigger wheels on the Ripper. The new Plow Kings GT look like fun.
Dude awesome info thanks for sharing james 🙏 Sounds like 130 RKPs on the Ripper is super fun - I'm gonna have to try something similar. Appreciate the kind words!
i absolutely love your videos man; great analysis of the board, you're always super informative and well informed and so very passionate. the only thing i wish we'd see more of is your riding. six minute video and we get maybe a minute and a half of actual riding? give us a 20 minute video with the same amount of info but 15 minutes of you skating a variety of spots. you always get some really creative angles on your videos; id love to see you push the limits of the board and then voiceover breaking down the riding experience. i love what you're doing for the sport, keep up with the videos and never stop shredding
wow thank you! That's some great feedback. Maybe I can incorporate another longer format where I wear a wireless microphone, cruise and have it be a little more free form 🤔
Thanks for doing this review and comparison Billy! There's a lot of intruiging parameters being delved into here with wheelbase, RKP vs TKP, etc......For your average rider, and especially beginners, it can be a bit daunting, so your concise way of explaining and breaking it down is awesome. As a custom setup builder/modder, I find your analysis particularly useful, as I've been assessing RKP vs TKP in Surfskate use for a while now. I'm always open to changing my views and current preference, but for now I've settled on RKP on the rear and TKP on the front as my go to preference for all around cruising. I was surprised that the dual RKP setup in this video felt the most twitchy......I suspect that must be due to the shorter wheelbase and wheel contact patch, as I feel the RKP design itself is actually very stable. The reason I prefer RKP on the rear is due to the bushing compression rate. RKP compresses the bushings directly perpendicular to the pivot axis, whereas TKP compresses the bushing at a different angle and rate. The resulting feel, at least to me, is that TKP on the rear has much more initial turning as you start to lean. RKP has less initial steering on the rear as you begin to lean. This is with all else being equal and total turning radius and pivot angles being the same on both. What this translates to in terms of feel for me, is that TKP feels like my rear foot is swinging out from under me when turning, similar to a surfboard with a loose feeling rear end that steers more, whereas RKP feels like a surfboard with fins planted in the water.
ayy i appreciate that. I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner. It's tough to say though... Because ultimately with enough practice, you can get used to any setup.
One aspect of reviewing factory completes is you're at the mercy of their set up. I've been skating since 1974. I've HAD to get used to it ALL, as gear progressed from Bennett plastic baseplated trucks and oak decks with Road Rider #4s to everything today. When it comes to cast, RKP trucks, it's "Different horses for different courses". If you're going UNDER 35 mph, the Paris V3 with it's unique kingpin hole in the bushing seat, is BY FAR the most carvy and ridable RKP truck on the market. Even long board dancers can't get enough of that V3 180. As for going OVER 35 mph, Caliber 3s and Bear Gen 6 are preferable because of their plug barrel bushing, which adds stability at high speed by eliminating slop but at a cost of the carvability Paris enjoys. Note: You do NOT want to go over 35 mph on Paris RKP trucks, as they're VERY unstable, compared to Caliber and Bear. I would also put the right wheels for the style of riding. Smaller diameter, Seismic Hot Spots or Ripplers would be perfect for the style of cruising I see you do on these videos. All the best and keep up the good work! 🤙
I've been riding for a long time, but I have absolutely no idea about changing things out on my board. I have a Dinghy Turbo King with the 72mm wheels. Do you think going from Polar Bear 105s to the Paris V3 180s would be a rideable experience?
This is some awesome info, i appreciate it! Those plastic bennett baseplates are something... I have a set actually, but only for display haha. I also have the seismic hot spots - they're a great wheel 🙌
@@Neonst3r Nice, the Turbo King looks sweet. But I wouldn't recommend putting Paris 180s on it since they're be too wide for the Dinghy's deck. What exactly do you mean by rideable experience? A little more info would be helpful 🙏
@@concrete-wavesI guess I'd mean casual riding. Some light hills, but mostly city riding and carving around. Would you have any recommendations for an RKP truck for a Dinghy? I saw that the ultra carve is using a tugboat for its board
How does the tail feel? It looks very long, because of the rkp geometry. To me that is a big throwback with rkps on a kicktail board. It always feels awkward. The only deck that does it right for me is the loaded poke so far...
This was really nicely done. Love the measurement diagrams! I very much have had the same experience when putting RKPs on a board designed for TKPs. It also really messed with my ollies and manuals, because it changed the pop angle so dramatically.
I think I’m going to have to buy some 130rkps for my tug boat as I’ve always felt like it was a bit lack luster and don’t really use it! Thanks for the video! Glad to see you’re back uploading
I’m riding the 130 Bear RKP on a LY Rally Cat. I repositioned the mounting holes to make most use of the wheel wells and used +/-5° wedging. It is suuuper nimble but not twitchy at all. It took a bit of tweaking with bushings etc to get there though
How does the Ultra Carve compare to the Gullwing Sidewinder? ...and you mentioned the Ultra Carve works better with a longer wheelbase; does that mean they work better on a longboard, and/or mounted further apart on a cruiser deck? I'm a rookie, but 66 years old and disabled; and longboards are one of my prescribed mobility aids (I push using my cane). I ride two Sector Nine decks with thru-deck mounts; a pintail with Gullwing Sidewinders, and a bamboo cutaway downhill speedboard with wide Rasta Gullwings ...but I was planning on getting a new deck, shorter and wider than my longboards, easier to carry on my mobility aid, likely a mini-cruiser, with the newer wider Gullwing Sidewinders, but now wonder how they compare to the Ultra Carve? I'm on a disability budget and dying of cancers, so I can't afford to buy the wrong set-up. 🏴☠
I would recommend a setup that has wider trucks than the 130 RKPs. A setup that has something like 155mm, 180mm hangers will probably be your best bet. The Gullwings are double kingpin so it'll set you higher off the ground - making pushing more challenging. If you want me to help with specific recommendations, feel free to email me - info@concretewaves.com 🙏 Maybe look into the Landyachtz Tugboat 155mm or 130mm TKP setup
@@concrete-waves Thanks, I appreciate your advice. Love your vids and thoughtful analysis. Local shops have the Landyachtz Tugboat in stock, so I'm gonna go give 'em a look; then once I find a nice one, for next year I think I want similar, but electric. I'm looking forward to a wider deck for a change sometimes.
The purple ultra carve looks like it has no risers on. How thick are the stock ones (if you removed them)? Also do you feel as if your carves/ pumps are better with no risers?
Yup it doesn't come with risers because the RKPs added some additional height. The TKPs come with 1/4" risers (front wedge). I don't think risers or no risers would affect the carves/pumps - only preventing wheelbite
While some of it does come down to rider skill...I've seen people bomb hills on a small 22" penny board - for the most part, I'd recommend against speed on it. But I guess it depends what you categorize as fast? I'd only feel comfortable going 10-12 (maybe 14) mph on the ultra
Great video. I had been interested in a tugboat ultra carve. But I like going fast. And I live on 80 miles of well-paved bicycle path. So while my heart is saying to get a carvier skateboard type setup that’s lighter and lower…. With 80 miles of open-water outside my house I should possibly consider getting my first LDP. Currently, I’m dreaming of a setup that is super pumpy and fast rolling. Efficient for 30-60 mile rides. Still has a kicktail. Can still power slide and manual. The search continues!
thanks david 🙏 Ya if you like going fast - not the setup for that haha. Definitely sounds like LDP is the move! Maybe look into the comet cruiser as well? It surfy but handles speed well
Thanks so much for this dude, it really helps in deciding which boards to get or consider. I've been torn between a Yow surfskate or their surfcruisers, but still haven't seen any reviews as nice as yours on the cruiser, that make me confortable with making a decision
@@concrete-waves Thanks so much dude! What width of the Legasee did you try, and how does it compare to the Ultra carve and a normal Yow surfskate? I wanted something loose that would give me like, 75% pumping and 25% pushing on a rather flat town, but with some mellow hills on occasional cruises
Personally love running the 130mm RKP on a LY Ripper with 70mm Supremes. I find the extended wheelbase helps offset the twitchiness of the narrow trucks. Would love to see LY experiment with 150mm RKPs on cruisers (like Loaded does). Great video as always!
The beefier bushing technically doesn't affect the ride height of a truck. The designs are mostly tradition, most tkps are essentially indys and most rkps are essentially Randall's with minor tweaks or improvements. These tweaks come from more specialized needs developing in skateboarding over time. TKPs shaped what kind of tricks, perhaps most importantly grinds, where possible and where subsequently shaped to better accommodate more of those. The initial choice of height was somewhat arbitrary but the expectation that they would be that height has made them pretty much stay the same. RKP came from testing a lot of weird stuff in the cultures infancy most of which didn't survive. Whether the Randall truck was a stroke of genius or luck I do not know but the fact that they are taller simply come from having to fit the pivot, bushing seat and axle more or less in line as a consequence of the realigned king pin. That made way for larger wheels which is better for speed and comfort and pretty soon there was and expected height of an RKP truck as well. Off the top of my head I think the widest Bennet vector is pretty much as tall as a "standard" RKP truck and the cnc precision Kahalani RKP is ridiculously low, probably lower than many street trucks. Thank you for your time! Peace out!
Thanks for this review; I was looking for a more flowy and carvy cruiser than my dinghy classic, a bit more like a longboard. The Rally Cat seems to be it but the Loaded intrigues me and my friend believes Paris trucks are superior to Bear so I’ll look into it more. Thanks again!!!
I have known you for a few months and your videos have been of great help to me, I wish I had met you before buying lis surfskate, it is a purchase that I regret since for what it cost me I could have bought something of better quality and more functional for cruising, your content is one of the best, greetings from Hermosillo Sonora Mexico. Pd: sorry for my bad English, i use Google translate jaja
That's a bummer you regret your surfskate purchase - that was part of the reason i made my video about longboard vs surfskate because I felt like a lot of people were choosing the wrong ones. By the way, your english is good 👍
@@concrete-waves I know, in fact that video clarified many doubts for me but I had already bought the surfskate. ps: thanks for the compliment on the English, I'm trying to improve
Interesting take on an interesting board. Can you guess what might improve the situation for the Ultra Carve ? I mean it kinda attempts spec-wise to look like a modern race board :D Might the wheel distance from TKP to RKP influence that ? But thanks for the great video as usual!
I would prefer a flatter deck profile but honestly I like a little longer of a wheelbase with those 130 RKPs. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment 🙌
If they come with a 50°, I wonder how it would be with a 40° rkp. Personally I put a 50 in the front and a 40 in the rear or maybe even de-wedge it to 33-35 degree in the rear.
What would be interesting is to compare ultra carve setup with surfskate like Carver CX4.I ve done that but with a bit wider RKP trucks on a same board.I dont know if its me prefering surfskate over longboard,but it just feels like cx4 setup can do all RKP can do and just more and a lot more....
@@concrete-waves i tried 180 bear and 150 i think Paris..I dont konw maybe its because i like that extra turn that surfskate has but honestly cx4 is nothing less than a standard longboard truck but just with more options..and it pumps so well, its just amazing..thats why i think any cx4 setup beats this "ultra carve" which is something in between i guess.But i dont really see the advantages over cx4 , or am i missing something?p.s. love your content mate!
*Interestin "stock" setup* 🤙🏽🤟🏽👌🏽 I saw they released a cruiser/kicktail deck with flex 👀 Was hopin this was that but still enjoyed this video nevertheless. I like the bushings shape on bear trucks, has a plug-in like Calibers. Think I'd go for this on 155mm TKPs but I prefer the Ballona.
@@concrete-waves yup, that's it the Dodger, interestin choice to make it flexy but if kicktail doesn't flex too much it could be fun to switch back foot to change ride feel
Land yachtz are the best I’m saving up to boy them there the best for cruising and carving and there the best anyone with one is automaticity a chad and if u can roll more than 1 meter on one ur a mega chad . And ur visions are very helpful!!!!
Ya solid point! But not everyone has the knowledge to confidently pair all the parts together. While it may seem obvious to us - it's not to a lot of people
I used to really enjoy this channel's analysis of boards, but more recently with all the free boards you've been getting, you've really stopped being as critical or analytical about them. It's easy to see when you want to say something negative but peter out into a half compliment like "being in a league of its own". The disclaimer doesn't really hold water if you continue to insist on proceeding in this fashion. It's obviously hard to shit on a product you got sent for free, but for your channel's sake I hope you get back to doing some harder and more honest takes on each board.
I appreciate this honest feedback ryan 🙏 For the sake of keepin it transparent, here's some context. You're right, I'm not as critical as when I first started. And that's a solid point about the disclaimer not holding water. This is a personal choice I made after seeing the impact my opinions had on brands. When I first started, I thought this was a bigger industry, but it's not - it's small. And being the guy saying "this is bad" isn't the lane I want to continue on. While I see the value in it, I'd rather put my energy into education/tutorials rather than reviews. As you can prob tell, I've struggled with this quite a bit the past two years. I will still be doing gear based content, just not exactly like the old stuff. I totally understand if you're bummed
I've got a soulboardiy with carver C7 trucks that i love, but i may soon lose my driving licence for.... 🪴🚬... reasons... So i want something that will take me further distances and be stable in my hilly, rough road, city, but can still pump. Any suggestions?
I've owned my ultra carve for a year now, and It's great for going on flat ground but like other users such as @paganphoenixguitar, the moment you catch ANY speed downhill, even if the hill is a 2% incline, this thing will wobble so fast. Do NOT try to hill bomb with the ultra carve unless you have a death wish.
I’ve been riding the ultra carve for a couple months in NYC, honestly it really shines in the city - being relatively flat and super crowded all the time, having that extra agility to dodge obstacles and change direction so fast is awesome. That said, it’s absolutely TERRIFYING on any slight hill.
I can totally see it being solid for city cruising. But ya so sketch with some speed 😂
I bought the Tugboat Ultra Carve set-up in summer 2023 and you are absolutely correct that it gets sketchy quickly at speed. I live in the Seattle area and ride mostly on hills, so it was simply too squirrely for my taste. I moved the 130 mm RKPs with the 63 mm Fatty Hawgs to my Landyatchz Ripper and now have 130 mm TKP with 60 mm Chubby Hawgs on the Tugboat. The Ripper rides amazing with this set-up and I feel a lot more stable on the Tugboat now. I sometimes will swap these two set-ups for fun, but that is usually temporary. Love your channel and how you explain things! Keep putting out your amazing content!
Same. I put the 130 RKPs on the Ripper and it’s amazing and left the 130 tkps with doozies on the tugboat. I’m now thinking about going for bigger wheels on the Ripper. The new Plow Kings GT look like fun.
Dude awesome info thanks for sharing james 🙏 Sounds like 130 RKPs on the Ripper is super fun - I'm gonna have to try something similar. Appreciate the kind words!
@@AlexzVaryag Ya those plow kings GT looks awesome. 66.5mm wide is beefy!
Thanks for the video and commentary. I'm getting back into skating after a very long hiatus... and am glad to have found your channel. All the best!
Ya rob thanks for watching and dropping a comment - welcome back! 🔥🛹
i absolutely love your videos man; great analysis of the board, you're always super informative and well informed and so very passionate. the only thing i wish we'd see more of is your riding. six minute video and we get maybe a minute and a half of actual riding? give us a 20 minute video with the same amount of info but 15 minutes of you skating a variety of spots. you always get some really creative angles on your videos; id love to see you push the limits of the board and then voiceover breaking down the riding experience. i love what you're doing for the sport, keep up with the videos and never stop shredding
wow thank you! That's some great feedback. Maybe I can incorporate another longer format where I wear a wireless microphone, cruise and have it be a little more free form 🤔
I enjoy watching your content and this type of reviews. Pleas keep it going! thank you
thanks tom, i appreciate that 🙏
Always amazing reliable content man I love it
i appreciate that thanks 🙏
Super informative review my dude. Thank you.
much love! appreciate you watching and dropping a comment 🙌
Thanks for doing this review and comparison Billy! There's a lot of intruiging parameters being delved into here with wheelbase, RKP vs TKP, etc......For your average rider, and especially beginners, it can be a bit daunting, so your concise way of explaining and breaking it down is awesome.
As a custom setup builder/modder, I find your analysis particularly useful, as I've been assessing RKP vs TKP in Surfskate use for a while now. I'm always open to changing my views and current preference, but for now I've settled on RKP on the rear and TKP on the front as my go to preference for all around cruising.
I was surprised that the dual RKP setup in this video felt the most twitchy......I suspect that must be due to the shorter wheelbase and wheel contact patch, as I feel the RKP design itself is actually very stable.
The reason I prefer RKP on the rear is due to the bushing compression rate. RKP compresses the bushings directly perpendicular to the pivot axis, whereas TKP compresses the bushing at a different angle and rate.
The resulting feel, at least to me, is that TKP on the rear has much more initial turning as you start to lean. RKP has less initial steering on the rear as you begin to lean. This is with all else being equal and total turning radius and pivot angles being the same on both.
What this translates to in terms of feel for me, is that TKP feels like my rear foot is swinging out from under me when turning, similar to a surfboard with a loose feeling rear end that steers more, whereas RKP feels like a surfboard with fins planted in the water.
Ya nate! Thanks, i appreicate that 🙏
Always interesting and well explained.
Appreciate you Sir.
Appreciate it as always man 🙌 thank you
really nice vid and very informative we love you and your vids
do you think its good for beginner to intermediate level though @concrete-waves ?
ayy i appreciate that. I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner. It's tough to say though... Because ultimately with enough practice, you can get used to any setup.
One aspect of reviewing factory completes is you're at the mercy of their set up. I've been skating since 1974. I've HAD to get used to it ALL, as gear progressed from Bennett plastic baseplated trucks and oak decks with Road Rider #4s to everything today. When it comes to cast, RKP trucks, it's "Different horses for different courses". If you're going UNDER 35 mph, the Paris V3 with it's unique kingpin hole in the bushing seat, is BY FAR the most carvy and ridable RKP truck on the market. Even long board dancers can't get enough of that V3 180. As for going OVER 35 mph, Caliber 3s and Bear Gen 6 are preferable because of their plug barrel bushing, which adds stability at high speed by eliminating slop but at a cost of the carvability Paris enjoys. Note: You do NOT want to go over 35 mph on Paris RKP trucks, as they're VERY unstable, compared to Caliber and Bear. I would also put the right wheels for the style of riding. Smaller diameter, Seismic Hot Spots or Ripplers would be perfect for the style of cruising I see you do on these videos. All the best and keep up the good work! 🤙
I've been riding for a long time, but I have absolutely no idea about changing things out on my board. I have a Dinghy Turbo King with the 72mm wheels. Do you think going from Polar Bear 105s to the Paris V3 180s would be a rideable experience?
@@Neonst3r Yes but I would match the axle length to the deck width. That's a good rule for all set-ups.
This is some awesome info, i appreciate it! Those plastic bennett baseplates are something... I have a set actually, but only for display haha. I also have the seismic hot spots - they're a great wheel 🙌
@@Neonst3r Nice, the Turbo King looks sweet. But I wouldn't recommend putting Paris 180s on it since they're be too wide for the Dinghy's deck. What exactly do you mean by rideable experience? A little more info would be helpful 🙏
@@concrete-wavesI guess I'd mean casual riding. Some light hills, but mostly city riding and carving around. Would you have any recommendations for an RKP truck for a Dinghy? I saw that the ultra carve is using a tugboat for its board
Cool knowledge spill! Hey, have you tried SolRide trucks yet?
Thanks 😎 I haven't tried SolRide actually - it looks like they're not producing them anymore? But I have heard great things
@@concrete-waves I still haven't mounted my pair to anything, but the day is soon. That's kinda sad, glad I grabbed a set.
I love solride..it's great. Slap those things on! 🔥
How does the tail feel?
It looks very long, because of the rkp geometry. To me that is a big throwback with rkps on a kicktail board. It always feels awkward. The only deck that does it right for me is the loaded poke so far...
Ya the tail is definitely on the longer side for an RKP setup and personally, I like a more flatter deck profile
This was really nicely done. Love the measurement diagrams! I very much have had the same experience when putting RKPs on a board designed for TKPs. It also really messed with my ollies and manuals, because it changed the pop angle so dramatically.
Thanks 🙏 Ya that's a solid point and something I forgot to mention - the popability is definitely affected by that additional half inch from the RKPs
Hoping for your Opinion about the Landyachtz Dodger.Looks pretty much like a Hybrid for Cruising and Carving with this much Flex.
Ahhh i just watched their vids on it the other day. That thing looks very fun
I think I’m going to have to buy some 130rkps for my tug boat as I’ve always felt like it was a bit lack luster and don’t really use it! Thanks for the video! Glad to see you’re back uploading
Glad to hear that 🙏 The 130 rkps are fun! Personally I like a longer wheelbase for them but definitely more lively
I’m riding the 130 Bear RKP on a LY Rally Cat. I repositioned the mounting holes to make most use of the wheel wells and used +/-5° wedging. It is suuuper nimble but not twitchy at all. It took a bit of tweaking with bushings etc to get there though
Does the RKPs the same front trucks that the Landyatchz use in their "surfskates" models, like Pocket Knife?
No they're different. The surfskates use a Bear Bangerz RKP (higher angle, taller bushing truck)
Comprehensive review as always 🎉
How does the Ultra Carve compare to the Gullwing Sidewinder?
...and you mentioned the Ultra Carve works better with a longer wheelbase; does that mean they work better on a longboard, and/or mounted further apart on a cruiser deck?
I'm a rookie, but 66 years old and disabled; and longboards are one of my prescribed mobility aids (I push using my cane). I ride two Sector Nine decks with thru-deck mounts; a pintail with Gullwing Sidewinders, and a bamboo cutaway downhill speedboard with wide Rasta Gullwings ...but I was planning on getting a new deck, shorter and wider than my longboards, easier to carry on my mobility aid, likely a mini-cruiser, with the newer wider Gullwing Sidewinders, but now wonder how they compare to the Ultra Carve? I'm on a disability budget and dying of cancers, so I can't afford to buy the wrong set-up. 🏴☠
I would recommend a setup that has wider trucks than the 130 RKPs. A setup that has something like 155mm, 180mm hangers will probably be your best bet. The Gullwings are double kingpin so it'll set you higher off the ground - making pushing more challenging. If you want me to help with specific recommendations, feel free to email me - info@concretewaves.com 🙏 Maybe look into the Landyachtz Tugboat 155mm or 130mm TKP setup
@@concrete-waves Thanks, I appreciate your advice. Love your vids and thoughtful analysis.
Local shops have the Landyachtz Tugboat in stock, so I'm gonna go give 'em a look; then once I find a nice one, for next year I think I want similar, but electric. I'm looking forward to a wider deck for a change sometimes.
@@concrete-waves ...and you are so right about a higher deck being harder to push; my disabled knees second that motion.
I bought a ultra carve by accident. Would it be possible to just swap out the trucks?
Can you make video on your best Dinghy setup for all-around?
The purple ultra carve looks like it has no risers on. How thick are the stock ones (if you removed them)? Also do you feel as if your carves/ pumps are better with no risers?
Yup it doesn't come with risers because the RKPs added some additional height. The TKPs come with 1/4" risers (front wedge). I don't think risers or no risers would affect the carves/pumps - only preventing wheelbite
Thanks for the reply + info. Appreciate that
So you can’t go fast on the ultra carve? Or can you just get used to it?
While some of it does come down to rider skill...I've seen people bomb hills on a small 22" penny board - for the most part, I'd recommend against speed on it. But I guess it depends what you categorize as fast? I'd only feel comfortable going 10-12 (maybe 14) mph on the ultra
Great video. I had been interested in a tugboat ultra carve. But I like going fast. And I live on 80 miles of well-paved bicycle path. So while my heart is saying to get a carvier skateboard type setup that’s lighter and lower…. With 80 miles of open-water outside my house I should possibly consider getting my first LDP.
Currently, I’m dreaming of a setup that is super pumpy and fast rolling. Efficient for 30-60 mile rides. Still has a kicktail. Can still power slide and manual. The search continues!
thanks david 🙏 Ya if you like going fast - not the setup for that haha. Definitely sounds like LDP is the move! Maybe look into the comet cruiser as well? It surfy but handles speed well
Would putting the 130 RKP's on a similar cruise desk size like dinghy blunt ride similarly to the tugboard ultra carve do you think?
Thanks so much for this dude, it really helps in deciding which boards to get or consider.
I've been torn between a Yow surfskate or their surfcruisers, but still haven't seen any reviews as nice as yours on the cruiser, that make me confortable with making a decision
Cool i'm stoked to hear that! Lmk if you have specific questions
@@concrete-waves Thanks so much dude! What width of the Legasee did you try, and how does it compare to the Ultra carve and a normal Yow surfskate? I wanted something loose that would give me like, 75% pumping and 25% pushing on a rather flat town, but with some mellow hills on occasional cruises
Personally love running the 130mm RKP on a LY Ripper with 70mm Supremes. I find the extended wheelbase helps offset the twitchiness of the narrow trucks. Would love to see LY experiment with 150mm RKPs on cruisers (like Loaded does). Great video as always!
Yesss that setup sounds insanely fun 🔥 That's a solid idea - thanks for watching evan
The beefier bushing technically doesn't affect the ride height of a truck. The designs are mostly tradition, most tkps are essentially indys and most rkps are essentially Randall's with minor tweaks or improvements. These tweaks come from more specialized needs developing in skateboarding over time. TKPs shaped what kind of tricks, perhaps most importantly grinds, where possible and where subsequently shaped to better accommodate more of those. The initial choice of height was somewhat arbitrary but the expectation that they would be that height has made them pretty much stay the same. RKP came from testing a lot of weird stuff in the cultures infancy most of which didn't survive. Whether the Randall truck was a stroke of genius or luck I do not know but the fact that they are taller simply come from having to fit the pivot, bushing seat and axle more or less in line as a consequence of the realigned king pin. That made way for larger wheels which is better for speed and comfort and pretty soon there was and expected height of an RKP truck as well. Off the top of my head I think the widest Bennet vector is pretty much as tall as a "standard" RKP truck and the cnc precision Kahalani RKP is ridiculously low, probably lower than many street trucks. Thank you for your time! Peace out!
Dang. Thank you for taking the time to drop this knowledge bomb. Legendary! Noted 🙏
How about an instruction video on haw to pop that simple little jump you do pretty well.
I still can't Ollie.
I haven't really thought about that before but that's a good idea. I need all the ideas I can get - thanks 🙏
Love your videos as always, & thank you for the giveaway! Now that it’s warm outside I’m definitely excited to start riding more 😁
Thanks 🙏 And no prob - i'm trying to get more giveaways going. The warmer weather is so nice!
Concrete Waves do you do any freeride or downhill longboarding?
I don't - just cruise and carve. But maybe one day! I don't feel comfortable talking about it since I'm not that familiar with it
Thanks for this review; I was looking for a more flowy and carvy cruiser than my dinghy classic, a bit more like a longboard. The Rally Cat seems to be it but the Loaded intrigues me and my friend believes Paris trucks are superior to Bear so I’ll look into it more. Thanks again!!!
Could you pump it from a stand still?
Cool! If we’re already on the mailing list, are we automatically entered in the giveaway?
Yup if you're already on it - you're automatically entered 🙏
Hi, what’s the board at 3:57 and the setup? (What true wheelbase compare to tugboat)
Can you talk more about the differences between large trucks and narrow trucks?
my fav is rear tkp (0 or -5 degree), front rkp with soft bushings
Now that sounds awesome. I gotta try that, thanks for sharing 🙏
I'd love to see a video on the Arbor Oso and Landyachtz Ditch Life.
I have known you for a few months and your videos have been of great help to me, I wish I had met you before buying lis surfskate, it is a purchase that I regret since for what it cost me I could have bought something of better quality and more functional for cruising, your content is one of the best, greetings from Hermosillo Sonora Mexico.
Pd: sorry for my bad English, i use Google translate jaja
That's a bummer you regret your surfskate purchase - that was part of the reason i made my video about longboard vs surfskate because I felt like a lot of people were choosing the wrong ones. By the way, your english is good 👍
@@concrete-waves I know, in fact that video clarified many doubts for me but I had already bought the surfskate.
ps: thanks for the compliment on the English, I'm trying to improve
interesting stuff. sounds like a fun time as long as you stay away from big hills lol
Haha yup pretty much
Interesting take on an interesting board.
Can you guess what might improve the situation for the Ultra Carve ?
I mean it kinda attempts spec-wise to look like a modern race board :D
Might the wheel distance from TKP to RKP influence that ?
But thanks for the great video as usual!
I would prefer a flatter deck profile but honestly I like a little longer of a wheelbase with those 130 RKPs. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment 🙌
If they come with a 50°, I wonder how it would be with a 40° rkp. Personally I put a 50 in the front and a 40 in the rear or maybe even de-wedge it to 33-35 degree in the rear.
That's a good point! Idk, what solved a lot for me was using a larger wheelbase. But that's some great advice and now I want to try that 😂
I got the tugboat with the 155mm tkp and I love it
That's sick! Ya that's a solid setup 😎
What would be interesting is to compare ultra carve setup with surfskate like Carver CX4.I ve done that but with a bit wider RKP trucks on a same board.I dont know if its me prefering surfskate over longboard,but it just feels like cx4 setup can do all RKP can do and just more and a lot more....
Ya that's a great point. It's hard to beat the CX setup! Such a great design. What size RKPs did you try?
@@concrete-waves i tried 180 bear and 150 i think Paris..I dont konw maybe its because i like that extra turn that surfskate has but honestly cx4 is nothing less than a standard longboard truck but just with more options..and it pumps so well, its just amazing..thats why i think any cx4 setup beats this "ultra carve" which is something in between i guess.But i dont really see the advantages over cx4 , or am i missing something?p.s. love your content mate!
I wonder if there'll ever be Landyachtz full line-up review 👀
*Interestin "stock" setup*
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I saw they released a cruiser/kicktail deck with flex 👀 Was hopin this was that but still enjoyed this video nevertheless.
I like the bushings shape on bear trucks, has a plug-in like Calibers.
Think I'd go for this on 155mm TKPs but I prefer the Ballona.
I hear ya! And yeah I saw that... the dodger, right? The plug-in barrel is very interesting
@@concrete-waves yup, that's it the Dodger, interestin choice to make it flexy but if kicktail doesn't flex too much it could be fun to switch back foot to change ride feel
Land yachtz are the best I’m saving up to boy them there the best for cruising and carving and there the best anyone with one is automaticity a chad and if u can roll more than 1 meter on one ur a mega chad . And ur visions are very helpful!!!!
I have it, its phenomenal
Nioceee! 🔥
If i wasn’t so broke i would try out the ultra carve with angled wedged trucks. Centripetal Centrifugal motion hell yeeeeeeee
Haha helll yeeeee 😂
Why do people buy completes? Just grab a deck and whatever trucks you want and wheels for usually half the price of a compelte
Ya solid point! But not everyone has the knowledge to confidently pair all the parts together. While it may seem obvious to us - it's not to a lot of people
Взял ночную змею, узкие траки на дх дуску поставил, назад базу 40, деку продаю)
I used to really enjoy this channel's analysis of boards, but more recently with all the free boards you've been getting, you've really stopped being as critical or analytical about them. It's easy to see when you want to say something negative but peter out into a half compliment like "being in a league of its own". The disclaimer doesn't really hold water if you continue to insist on proceeding in this fashion. It's obviously hard to shit on a product you got sent for free, but for your channel's sake I hope you get back to doing some harder and more honest takes on each board.
I appreciate this honest feedback ryan 🙏 For the sake of keepin it transparent, here's some context. You're right, I'm not as critical as when I first started. And that's a solid point about the disclaimer not holding water. This is a personal choice I made after seeing the impact my opinions had on brands. When I first started, I thought this was a bigger industry, but it's not - it's small. And being the guy saying "this is bad" isn't the lane I want to continue on. While I see the value in it, I'd rather put my energy into education/tutorials rather than reviews. As you can prob tell, I've struggled with this quite a bit the past two years. I will still be doing gear based content, just not exactly like the old stuff. I totally understand if you're bummed
Saw “Landyachtz” in the title and clicked immediately. 🛹🔥🔥
ayyyy 🙌
Lol same
I've got a soulboardiy with carver C7 trucks that i love, but i may soon lose my driving licence for.... 🪴🚬... reasons... So i want something that will take me further distances and be stable in my hilly, rough road, city, but can still pump. Any suggestions?
I've owned my ultra carve for a year now, and It's great for going on flat ground but like other users such as @paganphoenixguitar, the moment you catch ANY speed downhill, even if the hill is a 2% incline, this thing will wobble so fast. Do NOT try to hill bomb with the ultra carve unless you have a death wish.
Ya definitely a lot easier to get speed wobble with it haha