3 Questions to ask Jehovah's Witnesses at the door.
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Feeling stumped when a Jehovah's Witness comes to your door? Here are 3 questions you can ask.
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1. Did Jesus return invisibly and appoint his faithful slave?
- They will say yes, but respond Matthew 24:26 says not to trust people that say that.
2. Are you a child of God.
- They will say no. Ask what child are they, since the Bible only gives two categories of children, good and bad. Galatians 4 shows how there is only 1 class of Christian.
3. Can I read the Bible on my own, and come to an accurate truth?
- They are forced to say no, use 2 Timothy 3:16, or 1 John 2:27, which says all we need is scripture, and it's the Holy Spirit's job to teach us, not men.
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When Mormons knocked on my church friend's door, an interesting encounter unfolded. He greeted them by saying, "I have been expecting you. I read about you in the Bible, which warns about false prophets." This unexpected response seemed to catch the two Mormon ladies off guard. Despite their initial surprise, they left him a pamphlet and departed promptly.
The difference is that Mormons are looking for members. JWs are not. JWs are fulfilling the prophecy at Matthew 24:14.
Someone has deleted a reply? Strange!
Mormons go around looking for members. JWs do not. JWs are fulling a worldwide Witnessing work as prophesied at Matthew 24:14.
I like how you not only teach us the arguments to make BUT also the counter arguments to anticipate and what our response to those should be.
Thanks :) I find that with most groups like witnesses, they are trained on one level of scrutiny, but never on the counter argument. It’s very surface level, If they went too deep they’d realize their doctrines weren’t true.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Many of JWs were members of churches before the TRUTH led them to God and Jesus. What can the churches teach them which they would logically already know??????
The churches do not believe the scriptures. That is why they have killed each other in countless wars over the centuries and differ from each other in their doctrines.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry thank you for ruining my faith 00
@@kennethgiles-nu9dk You're welcome? 🤔
@@LightoverDarkMinistry they aren't trained to argue but are more than willing to take the time to direct one to where they can find the answer for themself. Again demonstrating true Christ like qualities that most professed Christians today lack. They repeatedly encourage students to do their own research and find their truth for themselves for it is the individual that will answer to Jehovah, no one else. They also take very seriously the responsibility of being a teacher of the scriptures.
Truth with a touch of humor!
Great work
Glory to our lord JESUS CHRIST !
Amen.
When I went to a door I was asked if I believed Acts 2: 38. I said yes. I was asked if I received the gift of the Holy Spirit. When it was obvious I was stumped they said, figure out and come back and we will talk further. It was a few months later I left the "organization".
Thank you for sharing I always ♥️ to know which verses caused JW to leave. It's so interesting how for some people a single verse is all it takes.
I've heard John 8:58 "I am" and Zechariah 12:10 "pierced me" were other single verses that caused people to start questioning.
How did one go to anyone's door without being equipped with knowledge of the scriptures.
Sound another fake comment.
@@tongakhan230 Sir have you received the gift of the Holy Spirit❓🤨
But now you claim to be equipped with the knowledge of scriptures ❓🤔
The natural person is *_unable_* to be equipped with the knowledge of scriptures (1 Cor 2:14).
*_Only_* by the Spirit of God can the Bible be understood.
So how you claim to be equipped without receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit ⁉️😂
@@tongakhan230 so if you don't have the Holy Spirit, is Jesus your Lord⁉️ Answer yes or no and don't run 🏃💨💨 (again)
1 Corinthians 12:3 ESV - no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit
@@timd3895 : I do not get any special revelations. Jesus has an APPOINTEE to help people with the TRUTH from the scriptures in these last days. Read his promise at Matthew 24:25-47.
This APPOINTEE maintains the JW website. God has made it available in over 1,000 languages. I use this assistance.
That is why I do not propagate theories and when debunked jump to another subject.
"Ahhhh, the context burns"
ROFLMAO!
Also when talking to them keep in mind that apologetics isn’t so much about convincing people of the faith as much as it is about *defending* the faith. Ultimately it’s the Holy Spirit’s job to convict them because He’s much better at that than we are.
We as humans have infinitely less knowledge & patience than the Holy Spirit. So when we fail to convince someone because we forgot something or couldn’t keep our patience we get angry and think we failed apologetics when in reality we just missed the point of apologetics: to “give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you…”
Not sure if that was meant for me, but it does apply. Thanks for the reminder. I guess I'm too close to the edge because I have family in this cult, and I want to shake the stupid out of them sometimes, but the wrath of man never produces the righteousness of God.
@@richbaker7187 what is STUPID that you should shake from yourself is that your false teachings teach that 1=3, that I am, me and myself are used for three persons and that GOD is a torturer. And yet, you stick with that false teachings
Yup.
The HOLY SPIRIT IS FEMININE, NOT A HIM.
I had a couple of JW men come to my house on several occasions decades ago trying to convince me, but they always left confused and upset.
The came one day with a converted Christian woman (CCW). I guess they thought they would be able to use her to convince me.
The conversation went something like this; CCW as she offered me a Watchtower mag while the JWs stood smugly behind her: I was a Christian until I started attending their home studies.
Me: May I have one of your bibles?
CCW: No, that it would be too expensive if we gave one to everyone that asked.
Me do you read the Bible?
CCW: We didn't have the understanding to read the Bible on our own. That's why the Watchtower literature helps us to understand the Bible.
Me: would you accept Christian literature to help you understand the Scriptures better after claiming James 1:5.
CCW: I cannot accept anything written by Man, only the Bible contains the Truth.
Me: If this is true, why do you accept the Watchtower and other JW literature?
CCW: Well, because they said it would help me understand the Bible better.
Me: Who wrote the Watchtower and the other JW literature? Isn't it men that wrote it?
CCW began to look confused while the JWs began to panick: Well, yes, but...
Me: Didn't they tell you you weren't to accept anything written by Man?
CCW more confused: But, but they told me...
JWs alarmed
Me: Asked them why is it that they told you not to accept any literature written by Man, yet they told you to read their literature?
CCW now confused looking back towards them and back to me: But, but, I was...told, but.
Me looking at the JWs: Can you explain why JWs are not to accept nor read any literature written by Man while telling them they have to read the Watchtower and other JW literature that was written by men from your Faith?
CCW looking dazed and confused making hand gestures of "what's going on?"
A JW grabbed her by the hand, told her, "Let's go.", spun her around and left.
I told the CCW to come back whenever she wanted.
They never came back.
Great argumentation. The religion’s foundation is trusting in men over trusting in God, and unfortunately masked well as many can’t see it.
I simply asked 2 Jws if they were saved. They said they don’t know yet. I said that I am saved. Works can’t save
Didn't the JWs ask how one is saved?
Saved from what?
JWs are right. Being saved is a future hope.
(Matthew 24:13) But the one who has endured to the end will be saved.
I applaud their honesty and being true to their beliefs.Few Christians are! If honest it’s rare that those claiming to be Christians witness to anyone and the majority I’ve encountered or no different from unbelievers!Today it seems all claiming to be Christians are”saved “ without repentance or conviction.Have been approached,worked with and had neighbors that were JW that respected me and I respected them.I simply say I’m not interested have a nice day! I have never seen a JW carry themselves or dress indecently .Regardless to one’s opinion of their beliefs some claiming to be Christians could learn a thing or two from them!
@@tongakhan230 "That you may KNOW that you HAVE eternal life." Present tense.
@@tfraymond : When someone puts faith in Jesus it is a sure expectation that he will have everlasting life.
If anyone has everlasting life now he won't die. People are still dying.
God is gathering JWs for what purpose?
They will be the survivors who will be the foundation of the New Earth. See Revelation 7:9,10,14.
When the millions are resurrected during Jesus' 1,000 year rule, there will be trained people to welcome and resettle them. Acts 24:15.
@@tfraymondso Judas was saved and what happened?
I actually asked the third question before. They replied "Yes, but some Biblical verses can be confusing or difficult to understand. So auxiliary materials are essential in some cases. The materials are not supposed to replace the Bible, they just help you to understand it better". Then I said "How do I know if your materials have the correct understanding of the Bible but not others? You have changed your doctrines a lot. How can I know if what I read from your materials won't be overturned in the future?" They just thanked my time with them and walked away.
JW's have never changed doctrines.(if I understand you correctly)
@@ripcord8738 JWs are famous for changing doctrines. The recent change should be the doctrine regarding the "second generation".
@@ripcord8738JWs have changed doctrines (1914, shunning, birthdays and organ transplant). And, most recently beards.
@@jasmo961Ripcord is a JW troll.
@@ripcord8738 "JW's have never changed doctrines"
Are you trolling, Ripcord? JWs have changed doctrines (Even your WT cult agrees that they have changed doctrines, such as 1914, shunning, birthdays and organ transplants). And, most recently beards.
Also-
Say it with me:
“Noooooo....NO!!”
Lol... never gets old
So what is 😅your point any contact to the lord is a good contact i would say to you stick to what you have and leave others to go there way
This is just SO great to listen to.
I’ve been studying Watchtower teaching for years.
It is terrifyingly tragic that they never know if they’re saved, if they’ve worked hard enough.
We must share with them the love of Jesus, and start to chip away at the Watchtower organization.
Put a pebble in their shoe.
I have a burning ache for them; they’re simply brainwashed.
By the way, your stick figure illustrations are better than anything!
Well done!!
Mathew 24:13 says he who endures till the end will be saved. Its talking about endurance thru the great tribulation this means you might be killed can you be faithful till death? Well if you answer is yes then you will be saved but if you dont know that you will endure or be faithful till death the you wont be saved. So how can you be so sure youl endure till the end? Apocalypse 2:10 Jesus warns us that the Devil will put some of his deciples into prison and will be tried to the limit, Jesus even says be faithful till death and i will give you the Crown of life. Can you be faithful till death? Really? SO THE REASON Jehovahs witnesses dont say for a With certainty that they are saved, it's because.
We can't be so sure we won't be disloyal under severe trials because we're all imperfect..
Please let us know what one is preparing to share with JWs?
Considering the fact that many of JWs were once members of churches, they will obviously already know what the churches teach.
@@tongakhan230 No necessarily. What if they have been brought up witnesses?
@@trevaperes5343Many are and many are not. Just like all faiths.
I was a Catholic now a JW.
1 Timothy 3:16
Thank you Light over Dark Ministry. I think that you state it well. Easy to see, understand and follow for even the JW's. If they were to simply just go through the listed points honestly checking for what and how each apply.
This has answered questions that they haven't answered me on. In that after awhile I thought they could just tell me what they find to be different regarding their beliefs vs me or any other Born Again believer.
Ever wonder why they always show up in pairs and never alone? My theory is to help prevent any JW from discovering the truth. It's hard to convert a single JW and almost impossible to convert two. The other one is there to report any wrongdoing of the other back to the leadership so they can be properly punished and even shunned, if needed. This makes it very unlikely for any JW to have an honest conversation with you even if they are interested in your points.
Hahahahha sad but true
One police the other 😢
Actually it’s for safety but they’re definitely a cult that does police each other shunning anyone who doesn’t tow the line of indoctrination.
You can't be serious.
@@ripcord8738 yeap real serious!
I grew up in the JWs and their is no space for thinking,
You either conform to what they say or your cut from them talking to you.
To avoid analitical thinking,
Their interpretation is absolute even whith no proof.
Because JESUS they say apointed them in secret and invisible.
Only the select few saw him.
Trust them even if its not biblical.😒🧐🤔🤦
@@ripcord8738 we are dead serious, it's no secret Jehovah Kingdom Hall is full of scumbaggs.. yeah I'm insulting you
Beautiful. Thank you! 🎉
Yup.
Wow! Thank you. I can use this to my JW older brother 💛
Wouldn't he already know how scriptures are twisted to make Jesus into God. I assume that he became a JW after leaving some church.
Might be good to listen to brother rather than these who are fulfilling 2 Timothy 3:13.
@@tongakhan230 he became a JW because he doesn't know the Bible, he didn't know the truth. Until now he didn't know the Truth because of the false teachings of JW.
@@krism5575 : That is the most absurd accusation. People get out of false religions and become JWs because they have found the truth.
See the prophecy about JWs at Micah 4:1-5.
@@tongakhan230 that's not an accusation but a fact. I was a JW bible study for 3 years and while I was a bible study i thought they taught the truth, why? because I didn't read the Bible myself. Same thing with my older brother. We were non practicing Catholic at that time. I thank God because he allowed me and my father to leave early in the JW. Why am I convinced that JW is teaching falsely? Because the Lord Jesus showed me the truth, he opened my heart and eyes. I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Now, to me our salvation is getting clearer and clear. I thank God for everything through Jesus. Not the organization, not the governing body. I owe them nothing. I owe Jesus everything!
John 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith and that is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works lest anyone should boast.
You also have been decieved. Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and not in men. You still have time to be free from false teachings of the JW. Read the bible and ask for the Lord your God Jehovah to show you the Truth in Jesus name.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to Father except through him. - John 14:6
For there is no salvation in any other. For there is no other name under the heaven given among men by which we must be saved - Acts 4:12 only the name of Jesus! No other name, no religion, no organization can save you, only Jesus!
I pray that you humble yourself to God. And have a "goal" to find really the Truth in Jesus name. Amen 🙏🏽
Love this! Yes, Philip always comes up in these discussions. What was he explaining? The gospel. Jesus. What we now have as the New Testament. It's a false analogy to the WT.
Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
REV 22:6 - whom did the angel show the revelations? He said to me: “These words are faithful* and true;j yes, Jehovah,* the God who inspired the prophets,k has sent his angel to show his SLAVES the things that must shortly take place. 7
@@Mr.DC3.1914 if Raymundus Martini was a painter instead of a monk, or was never born at all - nobody on planet earth would have ever used the false name for God that he made up out of thin air
@@deanpixx that;s just your own opinion, Pls answer this, WHERE does the term JEHO came from in the names of JEHO-SHUAH, JEHO-SHAPHAT, and JESUS? FROM JEHOVAH, the GOD OF THE BIBLE. Do you think those names were invented by Martini?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Your explanation misses the point.
It is not decisive whether you or I consider any name to be essential, but whether the Bible writers have attached importance to that name.
This question alone is crucial.
How can Bible-loving Christians pursue this question?
By conducting independent investigations in the Bible, like the Beroeans.
Question:
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Where do the authors of the New Testament, such as Peter and Paul or John, mention the name "Jehovah" in their letters?
Brilliant, very helpful for those ‘awkward’ moments.
"Don't move. Their vision is based on movement." Priceless. It's the witnessauruses.
Once a man came by my house ( I was already in my front yard ) and he was by himself. I found he was a Witness, or at least checking it out. I went over a lot of the things he might normally show me in the Bible along with how I thought they were wrong . Then we got into how his
' elders ' only want him to read certain parts of the Bible. I told him " between you and me, be your own man and go ahead and read the whole thing. "
Then he left. I don't know what ever became of him.
You said "how his ' elders ' only want him to read certain parts of the Bible."
No JW will ever say that. In fact, when our headquarters were in New York city, the words "READ THE BIBLE DAILY" were lit up on our building.
@@777Tralfaz777 yeah, well I guess that one did. Correction- I KNOW that one said that.
Just the same I told him to be his own man and read the whole thing.
I believe I told him to get a King James after showing him the differences in JW New World translation.
He was by himself, I'm sure if he was with others they would have directed him away from my house.
@@michaelszczys8316 The fact is, you will never find that in our literature, and the fact that we encourage Bible reading, not just certain parts. And I do not know the context of your conversation, so I cannot speak to your anecdote.
Well, it has been quite a while but I do remember most of what we talked about and the man did agree with me about the leaders wanting him to only read things authorized by them.
That is why I told him to go ahead and read the whole thing, don't let anybody tell what you can read and what you can't read.
@@michaelszczys8316 This is a total lie. No one ever has told any JW to only read certain parts of the bible.
What Bible translation are you using. Also fantastic work by the way
Esv, Nasb, in my opinion probably the closest to the original Greek.
Great video! I appreciate this resource when talking to JW's...God bless you!
Strange comment if I may say so.
What can a church member share with JWs?
They would already know what the churches teach. That is why they left the churches in favour of True Worship.
@@tongakhan230 You can share the true gospel and the true Jesus Christ, because the JWs don't know them... God bless you!
@@UnashamedofJesus : If JWs are not the fulfillment of Micah 4:1-5, who is? Any idea?
That prophecy states that True Worship will be restored in these last days. God will gather all those who love and want to worship him in True Worship.
@@tongakhan230 So your prophet is Charles Russell?
@@UnashamedofJesus : If one doesn't know who a prophet is, check it out. Remaining ignorant in this 21st Century is on purpose. Generally speaking, of course.
Eternal blessings
My sisters bungalow became somewhat of a commune for ex JW's in the mid to late 1990's. We would congregate there and smoke weed.
Ask them if they are born again. They will say “Personally No”.
You reply, John 3:3 “Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.””
You tell them they need the inward dwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide them into the truth - not an organisation.
They would say "personally, no" because they're not.
Being "born again" is only for those that have been selected by God to rule in the Kingdom.(Mt.6:9,10;Re.5:9,10;20:6)
@@ripcord8738 The phrase “born again” applies to people who have accepted Jesus as their Savior or Redeemer. The born again soul realizes that they are a sinner (Romans 3:23) and that the penalty for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). To rectify the circumstances, God sent His only Son to die in their place, to take the punishment for sin (Romans 5:8). After Jesus’ death, He arose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:3-6). Jesus is the only way to God (John 14:6) and He provides the blessing of salvation. Each person has the choice to receive or reject God’s gift through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) and experience new birth (John 3:1-8). Whoever follows Jesus as Christ, the Son of God, and has accepted His gift of life can be called Christian. That is where the journey of rebirth begins.
@@robstacy The belief that all good people go to heaven is promulgated on the "immortal soul" doctrine, which is unscriptural.
As I stated in my 1st post, only those selected by God are "born again".
Everyone else(survivors of Armageddon) will live on earth.(Psalm 37:9-11,29;Mt.5:5;Isaiah 11:6-9)
@@ripcord8738 The Bible teaches that at death the souls of believers will go to be with the Lord, and, after the resurrection, they will spend eternity in the New Jerusalem, which comes down from heaven onto the new earth. The Bible makes it clear that deceased believers are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23) in a spiritual realm called heaven. The ultimate destiny awaiting believers is the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22). Our physical bodies will be resurrected and glorified, made perfectly fit for eternity on the new earth.
@@ripcord8738 The immortality of the soul is clearly seen in many places in Scripture. For example, in Psalm 23:6 David says, “I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.” In Ecclesiastes 12:7 the Preacher mentions two things that happen at death: “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” In 1 Thessalonians 4:14, Paul says that believers who have died will be with Christ at the rapture of the church: “We believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.” All these passages indicate that the soul is immortal.
What it's important is that we are all children of the most high heavenly father Jehova God. Much blessings.
no we're not all his children. Only those who believe the Gospel are His.
@@topgun9587 aren't all of us His little saints?
According to the Greek Interlinear Translation, the Greek definite article "ho" is found at John 1:1.
@@topgun9587 what about fatherly love?
Wrong.. only those who are in Christ Jesus belong to God, everyone else will be told to depart from him
I haven't had one come by since covid now they have been mailing there literature i just send them a track with a little note
It shows JWs care about people. Doesn't it.
@jimjuri6490 if they cared about people they would learn the truth then share it
@@dancarpenter4360 :Did JWs do the contacting or did one do it?
Who was SENT by Jesus?
If JWs don't have the TRUTH, then which one group has it?
God wants everyone worldwide to learn about his promise of the Resurrection. He knows this would bring them such comfort during this grievous time, to know that he has promised to someday bring their loved ones back to life again. And the earth will be so different then, no more pain, suffering, or death. Do you think a loving God would deny those who knew nothing about him or his will a chance to learn because they had died? Think again! (John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15; Psalm 37:9-11, 29; Revelation 21:3, 4. All wickedness will be gone then forever. 💞
What kind of Jesus are the JWs on about that returned in 1914? This is what the Biblical Jesus said concerning his second coming.
"So if anyone tells you, there he is, in the wilderness, do not go out, or Here he is in the inner rooms, do not believe it.
For as lightning comes from the east and is visible even in the west, so will the coming of the son of man be. Matt 24: 26-27 "NIV"
The "kind" of Jesus who's life story is in the Bible, is the only one I know.
God's Kingdom, with his son Jesus Christ as its' king, was established in 1914. Jesus' presence also began at the same time. (Mt.6:9,10;24:3;Re.12:7-12)
You quoted those verses but no application?🤔
@@ripcord8738 God doesn't have a name. When Jesus was in the form of God he didn't have a name Ex3:3:14 "KJV" "IAM", was given a human name Jesus, because he became a man.
When Jesus returns as the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Nobody will know his name except himself. Rev 19:12 "NIV," The name Jesus will no longer apply. The Kingdom of God will be established on Earth for 1000 years, but when the 1000 years are over the Kingdom of God will become universal not just on Earth.
Eternal life cannot exist while in the flesh. Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again. Read John 3:1-21. "NIV"
Born again means a transition from physical to spiritual just like Jesus was.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God 1Cor 15:50.
To inherit the kingdom of God we must also become gods. 1 John 3:2
Do you understand why Jesus is symbolized wearing many crowns when he returns in Rev19:12 "NIV"?
That means there will only be one King ruling all nations on earth. The many crowns once belonged to the kings who ruled over many nations now the Kingdom has only one king ruling all nations.
Jesus telling people not to believe if someone says he is here or there is logically indicative of his invisible return. He cannot be seen. 1 Timothy 6:16 makes this clear.
@@jimjuri6490 For as for the lightning comes from the east and shines even unto the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matt 24:27 "NIV". Which part of Matt 24:27, you don't understand? Is lightning Invisible? Neither Jesus will be invisible when he returns.
@@benjaminfalzon4622 : Jesus tells people not to run to look even if someone says he has come. So what happens if he really comes?
Ever give it a thought.
They probably won't answer these questions.
Followed these exact scriptures; but the JWs I've encountered were never convinced ... they are hard cases, fully deceived into thinking they alone know the gospel. Last encounter, I asked the leading figure of the two who came knocking, and he mentioned the gospel. I asked him the question: "Can you explain to me in one short sentence what the gospel is that's taught in the Bible?" He could not answer, he rambled on about doing what Christ did ... following His example. I asked a second time; still not concise/clear answer. Then I said, "The gosepl taught in the Bible is that Christ died and paid the penalty for our sins, and he is the only name under heaven whereby men can be saved." They left, soon after that, having failed to draw me into their circle.
I was under the impression that the Gospel was about God's Kingdom.
Matthew 4:23 Then he went throughout the whole of Galʹi·lee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM....
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM....
Acts 28:31 preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD...
JWs are being used by Jesus to:
(Matthew 24:14) And this GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
But then again, one claims to know better.
Again and again God bless you for this channel. We need to pray and pray for these poor misguided souls.
Yes! Only problem is to whom should one pray. Isn't there a confusion as to whom to pray to?
How can JWs be misguided souls?
They know what the churches teach. That is why they left the churches in favour of True Worship.
Just wondering.
Great video. Love the Mathew 24 chapter reasoning about the false prophet saying "Jesus invisible"...
However.....My question would leave a JW Circuit Overseer speechless....
."WHERE...does the Bible or Jesus say that my beloved NON-ANOINTED grandmother will be resurrected into a WORK-IN-PROGRESS paradise ...during...the 1000 year abyssing of Satan and his demons?"....
answer: The Bible doesn't ... Jehovah's witnesses, like the Over-Lapping Generation story, have made that story up too....IF INTERESTED for easy proof in Revelation...read my own reply to my comment.
....YES..BEFORE the wonderfulness of Rev. 21:3,4 can happen........REVELATION CHAPTER 20 TELLS US in regards to my dead loved one....THAT ONLY AFTER ....
1.SATAN IS LET LOOSE after his 1000 year abyssing.....
2. ONLY AFTER....SATAN CONVINCES a KA-ZILLION HUMANS TO TAKE UP ARMS TO ALLEDGEDLY ATTACK AN INVISIBLE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM.....(C'monnnn...How Long WILL THAT TAKE!!!!!)
3. ONLY AFTER SATAN, HIS DEMONS and his HUMAN ARMIES ARE DESTROYED WITH FIRE FOR GOOD....
then
4. MY GRANDMA WILL BE RESURRECTED FOR (what the heck) JUDGEMENT.... ON JUDGEMENT DAY (Revelation 20:11,12 )... which is separate from the 1000 years of Satan's abyssing.......
....Revelation 20:5 says........"The rest of the dead did NOT come to life until AFTER the 1000 years were ended."
.....ah heck......Just read the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION ITSELF....Revelation chapter 20 carefully verse by verse....
If you do read it a couple of times................It will dawn on you.....that if Armageddon came tomorrow....it could be another 1500 years before I'd see my dead grandma.....
NO THANKS to this whole scam!
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When will your grandmother be resurrected ?
Matthew 24: 3
The disciples asked Jesus himself that same question .
Matthew 24: 4 Jesus answered them
Matthew 24:6 - you will hear of Wars and rumors of War , see that you are not troubled for these things must take place, but the end is not yet .
Matthew 24:14
And then the end shall come
John 5:28 &29
Marvel not , for the hour comes in which ( ALL )in the tomb shall hear his voice,
Your dead grandmother is included when it says (ALL ) .
John 5:29
And shall come forth good and evil .
It's only after this resurrection Bob that Revelation 20: 4 takes place
And Matthew 24: 6
The Wars and rumors of Wars
Matthew 24:34
This generation shall NOT pass away til these things be Accomplished .
When did the Earth hear of a World wide War ?
World War 1 - 1914 to 1919
And there is 71 people left from this generation that are alive on this Earth Today -Matthew 24:34
71 people who are from this generation
Bob !
I had a couple JWs at my door and I answered their questions with the Bible says. Then they asked what is truth? I replied Jesus. Well they said Gods word is truth . I said that is true, but the Bible says that Jesus said I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Life no one comes to the Father except through me. I never saw anyone leave so fast.
One time I told a coworker that I was a latter day saint and a Jehovah's Witness. She took the bait and asked your a Jehovah's Witness? I said the witness is this, Jesus is Jehovah. We agreed to disagree and we worked well together.
If Jesus is Jehovah, then who sent Jesus to the Earth?
@@777Tralfaz777If he isn't God, then what was the point of Jesus's sacrifice?
@@777Tralfaz777the Father/ Father Son Holy Spirit is God in Genesis God said let's make Man In OUR image
@@brendangoodbrand2597 If God speaks of Himself with plural pronouns, why did the Bible writers use singular pronouns when referring to Him???
God was speaking to His master worker.
@@777Tralfaz777 John 1:3 and genesis show who God I have a question for you do you call God a liar ? Do you have eternal meaning can you lose your salvation 1John 5:13:19 and if you look Jesus said it was himself with Abraham Bible says it was YHWH Genesis 19:24 Zechariah 2:11 / Zechariah 12:10 YHWH is speaking says they will look on ME whom they Pierced / First off God is who he is not pre conceived ideas also scripture says the Holy Spirit is HE not a active force bible also says Holy Spirit is YHWH also the Father calls the Son God so let's forget about this let's See if you have the right Jesus Christ because there is many just like Jesus said the Jesus Christ of the bible gives eternal Life freely can't be earned Romans 3:19,26 so let's see if you call God a Liar
I have a bro, who joined Jaws 2 years ago, but am trying to bring back to light but the way he is insisting as if he has spent 50 years.... I can explain the trinity to the simplest example but still, I gave him much biblical truth about Jesus deity, as if am telling an old folk story... I leave everything in Holy spirit to work upon that.
As an ex JW it's a total waste of time trying to go the Trintity route. I personally don't believe it, because I still don't think it's biblical. I would go for low hanging fruit instead. Look into ex GB member, Ray Franz and study his book, crisis of conscious. He dismantles the entire org in painstaking detail.
How can someone who learned the TRUTH which caused him to leave a religion that teaches that the Creator of this energy pulsating Universe came in the form of a man, got abuse and killed by his creation, UNLEARN THE TRUTH. See John 8:31,32.
Just wondering.
Aaaaammmmennnnnn.
Brother Russell taught that 1914 was going to be the end Armageddon would be here. And then they changed it. 🤣👍
Charles Russell said that 1914 would be the establishment of God's Kingdom and the beginning of Christ's invisible presence.
JWs, including Charles Russell, have never said that 1914, or any other year would be the start of Armageddon.
Are you disfellowshipped?
@@ripcord8738 not originally do your research 👹
Yeah after the original when you said it was going to be the end it didn't happen and then he changed it. Do your research
@@gaetanodetorrice5555 Russell taught there will be a great preaching work so clearly he did not believe the world will end in his time
@@Scott23882 I'm not going back and forth with this I did my research that's all I'm going to say about it you can believe what you want. I know what they taught and I know what they predicted so you can go on and on I did my research so you can believe what you want to believe I know what 🙏 what I know. I'm not trying to be nasty but I did my research.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. And these are my answer to these questions.
Question 1) Did Jesus return invisibly, and appoint his faithful slave?
Answer: Yes. Many confuse Jesus' presence (in kingdom power) with his coming to execute judgement at Armageddon. The gentile times ended in 1914, and Jesus was installed as king of God's kingdom in that year. This is established by both Biblical prophesy, and the sign Jesus gave at Matt 24:3-.
At 2:10 that circular reasoning is not used by JW. That is a straw man. People become JW because it is evident what they teach comes from the Bible. Recognizing this is the true congregation makes further determinations possible. Like who that slave is.
At 2:30 if Jesus would be seen, then why did he give a sign? Those specific verses are about when Jesus comes to execute judgement.
3:10 Jesus gave the sign of his presence. That is in scripture! Not the invention of men.
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Question 2) Are you a child of God.
Answer: Yes. While the anointed have a special relationship, and are said to be adopted as sons in a special way, all who are dedicated to God are God's children. 1 John 3:10 The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Whoever does not practice righteousness does not originate with God, nor does the one who does not love his brother.
The anointed are to serve with Christ, as kings over the Earth, for the benefit of faithful mankind.
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Question 3) Can I read the Bible on my own and come to an accurate truth?
Answer: No. That is why there are thousands of denominations. You need to be where God's spirit is! We need to meet with our brothers.
Acts 8:29 So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?” So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him.
What you believe needs to be in harmony with the true congregation Jesus is head of. The question is, can you reject the congregation Jesus is head of, and still be acceptable to Jesus?
I would love to have a conversation with you, privately or publicly, up to you. Can you please contact me, I don't have many witnesses who are able to correct what they believe. I certainty don't want to misrepresent your religion. If you do feel this is wrong, you're also more than welcome to come on publicly and defend your faith in a non-mocking or invasive environment, I just want to hear what you believe and why.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry We can talk here if you like.
@@777Tralfaz777 While I do enjoy the comment section, it's also very limited. I would really love to talk in a personal manner, and you seem like a JW who is very knowledgeable and convicted about their beliefs and willing to engage in opposing view points. I'm not trying to trap you or secretly record you or something bizarre like that. Lightoverdarkministry@gmail.com
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Limited? How so? I like this public record, so all can see it if they choose to. If it gets long, we can start a new thread. 😀
Yeah but I have a lot of questions, and I enjoy having normal conversations. I'm sure you do too @@777Tralfaz777
On seeing Jesus: If I remember from one of the books (or maybe the watchtower or awake magazine), after 1914, they are speaking about those who have "eyes to see", meaning spritual discernment of sorts. Some JWs will dodge the question this way.
But a good point, maybe some will start questioning what they have been told.
Are you disfellowshipped?
@@ripcord8738 No, I´ve never been a witness myself, though I have gotten to know some of them
(Isaiah 6:9, 10) And he replied, “Go, and say to this people: ‘You will hear again and again, But you will not understand; You will see again and again, But you will not get any knowledge.’ 10 Make the heart of this people unreceptive, Make their ears unresponsive, And paste their eyes together, So that they may not see with their eyes And hear with their ears, So that their heart may not understand And they may not turn back and be healed.”
Understanding of the scriptures is only given those who deserve it.
@@mrtorp Ripcord is a JW troll.
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This is a post for DX (aka "Mr D C1"). The topic of the 144,000 keeps coming up and DX will not be honest and answer my questions. So I'll post them up front and see if you will answer them. Everyone, please refrain from jumping in and allowing him to divert the conversation. Please simply post "You haven't answered the question" each time he deflects but don't ask additional questions, let's get an answer.
The apocalyptic genre that John employs in Revelation routinely employs symbolic numbers (look at all the 7's and 12's in Revelation). I think it is quite evident that the 144,000 is a symbolic number but JW's insist that it is literal. If that is the case then they must be consistent and interpret the other parts of the passage literally, so lets see if DX is consistent.
“'Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.' And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad, 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh, 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.” (Rev 7:3-8)
Question 1: Do these people literally have a mark in their forehead?
Question 2: Are these Jews or Gentiles? The text mentions the twelve (12) sons of Israel, so are they Jews?
“Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the roar of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder. The voice I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps, and they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. *It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins.* It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb,” (Rev 14:1-4)
Question 3: Are these people literally male virgins?
Let's see if we get answers or deflections.
Before I do ANy explanations to your questions, here are SIMPLE questions first to establish basic truths. 1. IN Rev 7:1-4, who are the ones SEALED? the 144K or the great crowd? 2. Is the MARK given by GOD physical or spiritual? 3. Is the term VIRGIN in the Bible ONLY PHYSICAL?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Strike 1 - You didn't answer my questions.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 I'm answering your question with a question just like what Jesus did. lol. you know you won't answer my questions as it forms the basis of the truth and once you understand it, it will actually answer your questions which you don't like the answer to
@@kevinfromcanada4379 here are SIMPLE questions first to establish basic truths. 1. IN Rev 7:1-4, who are the ones SEALED? the 144K or the great crowd? 2. Is the MARK given by GOD physical or spiritual? 3. Is the term VIRGIN in the Bible ONLY PHYSICAL?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 also , what does the Bible say about JEWS, are they PHYSICAL Jews only?
Just recite to them Revelation 22:19. The Bible is enough and it shouldn’t be tampered, or changed.
Jesus did not create himself, but he created all other things
Where does the Bible say he created all other things. Can you quote me the verse?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry all things does not include himself so "other" was added to clarify
@@scottgrey2877 Not what I asked. I said show me a verse that says all others.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Colossians 1:16 NWT
On JWs not allowed to read literature not published by Watch Tower. Ask why. Then say that one of their GB members stated that if a witness reads the bible by themselves they will become apostates very quickly. Ask why that is so. Then inform them that the NT was written by men who the watch tower would call apostates as they believed in a different God, that Jesus was/is God not an angel, all (except Paul ) witnessed the risen Jesus in bodily form. They all believed the Holy Spirt is God with a personality. They all believed in a Hell, the laying of hands and prayer for healing of the sick and . If they read by themselves they might begin to believe what the early Christians believed.
Great advice…In general, JW’s will show up in pairs… One will be an old salt, the other, relative rookie… When JW’s show up @ my door, my target is the rookie… Questions are the way to go… What do you think? Why do you think that? How did you arrive at that conclusion? Have you considered this?… These questions keep you in the drivers seat, in control of the situation without being offensive or confrontational… My goal is to plant a seed in that rookie’s mind or put a stone in his shoe… a nagging question he can’t shake… As Paul wrote regarding himself & Apollos, “ I planted, Apollos watered but God gave the growth…
I used to love to hang them up when they came to my house witnessing. John chaper 1, verse 1 is different in their Bible compared to the Holy Bible.
Christian Bible says in John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jehovahs Witness bible says in John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
So I ask you, was the Word God, or a god?
As my old friend Herman Thomas says, "That'll preach."
The Word is Jesus! 😉
The argument about the addition of the indefinite article "a" in koine Greek(or absence of it) has been debunked.
It's interesting that the KJV doesn't use it at John 1:1 but does just the opposite at Acts 28:6. Oops!
@Ripcord you can argue about the Bible all day long for weeks in end. To me it's not about the "a" it's about who you are willing to say Jesus Christ is. For me it's Jesus about whether Jesus is a big "G" God or a little "g" god. He's God the creator incarnate to me.
@@ripcord8738 It's interesting that NWT does use "a god" in John 1:1 but not in 2 Cor 5:19. *Oops!*
One can not say anymore than the Bible teaches that Jesus is The son of God Jehovah the almighty and that Jesus is A god, not THE true god and not equal to his father Jehovah (Mathew 24:38-41) if he was he would know what Jehovah god knows would he not? He never displayed himself as equal and he did not send himself, but always said:" He that sent me" and Jehovah saying "this is my son whom I have approved". You need to do more research regarding translations of the Greek scriptures.
Do you know Greek?
Here is a citation from one of my Greek grammars:
“John’s Gospel opens with the majestic words, ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…’ John asserts, in a striking exclamation point, that the Word was himself God. The reader is left to infer that there are two referents of θεός, God (the Father; John 1:14) and the Word (Jesus; John 1:17). John’s striking opening assertion sets up the question of Jesus’s identity that will dominate the rest of the entire Gospel, ultimately leading to Jesus’s crucifixion: the deity of Christ. In the original historical context, Jesus faces escalating opposition from the Jewish leaders who consider his claim blasphemy (5:17-18; 8:58-59; 10:30-33). Indeed, at Jesus’s trial, they tell Pilate the Roman governor, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He made Himself the Son of God’ (John 19:7).
In our day, too, there are those who dispute Jesus’s claim to deity, not least by challenging the conventional understanding of John 1:1, and here in particular the third phrase, ‘the Word was God’ (θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος). In part, the reason for this is that the word order is reversed, with the predicate nominative (θεός) preceding the subject (ὁ λόγος). Is it legitimate to infer from the lack of article in front of θεός that ‘God’ is indefinite and should be rendered ‘a god’? The answer is a firm ‘no.’ According to Greek syntax, it is common for a definite nominative predicate noun preceding a finite verb to be without the article. In this way, the subject (articular) is distinguished from the predicate nominative (anarthrous, i.e., without the article), yet without indicating that the latter is indefinite (as in ‘a god’). Of course, Jesus’s deity does not rest on this one verse (see, e.g., John 20:28), but a sufficient knowledge of Greek syntax saves the reader from drawing the wrong conclusion.” Andreas J Köstenberger, Benjamin L Merkle, and Robert L Plummer, Going Deeper with New Testament Greek : An Intermediate Study of the Grammar and Syntax of the New Testament (Nashville, Tennessee: B & H Academic, 2020), 51-52.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth there is no need for Greek syntaxes consideration to be able to understand the plain Truths in the entire Bible. The deity of Jesus cannot be argued just as the Almightiness of his father Jehovah cannot be argued. Jesus is God, Jehovah is God, Satan is God, Angels are God, all are delty and divine in origin, but none of the other delties are equal to the Almighty who created them all. The entire Bible should be considered to understand the relationship of God Almighty to Jesus his son. Hebrew bible writers all believed in one delty not three. Since they never entertained such taught, it will be wrong to begin to infer that Genesis 1:1 use of the Excellence plural word "Lord" suggest Moses was implying three God. Such idea was never entertained by him. Likewise, it will be wrong to say that John at 1:1 was entertaining the idea of Jesus being of the same equality or substance with his father, since John many other verses insist that Jesus is the son of God, and even said that those who deny that Jesus is the son 9f God are Antichrist.
@@ihegbusamuel5784 It isn't necessary to know Greek syntax to understand the overarching message of the Bible, but it does help to refute error-such as the polytheistic claim that Jesus is "a god" in John 1:1.
You can argue that Gen 1:1 is a plural of excellence, but you can't make the same claim in Gen 1:26 because Hebrew didn't have a plural of excellence in relation to pronouns and verbs. The "US" is the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The "OUR image" is the image of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) (we are not made in the image of angels).
While the full revelation that God is triune awaited the fullness of time for the missions of the Son and Spirit (Gal 4:4), hints are given in the Hebrew text for the observant reader.
Indeed, as the non-Christian Jewish scholar Daniel Boyarin says, “Jesus, when he came, came in a form that many, many Jews were expecting: a second divine figure incarnated in a human. The question was not ‘Is a divine Messiah coming?’ but only ‘Is this carpenter from Nazareth the One we are expecting?’ Not surprisingly, some Jews said yes and some said no. Today we call the first group Christians and the second group Jews, but it was not like that then, not at all. Everybody then-both those who accepted Jesus and those who didn't-was Jewish.”[1]
The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
[1] Daniel Boyarin, The Jewish Gospels : The Story of the Jewish Christ (New York, NY: New Press, 2012), 1-2.
That Jesus is a god in John 1:1 agrees with the entire scriptural description of Jesus relationship with his father. So argument on Greek syntaxes for and against is only scholarly arguments but the entire scripture settles the issue plainly on the Monotheistic lie against John 1:1. If you argue that because the title "Theoz" (God, god) is used for both Jesus and his father (in NT or OT) mean they are not two separate delties, differing in substance, will completely invalidate the entire scripture (See Psalm 110:1).
Even Genesis 1:26 does not in anyways prove that God and Jesus ( "US" and "OUR", which agrees with Colossians 1:15, 16), mean monotheism of God. Instead, "US" and "OUR" completely and plainly indicate plural, two or more separate beings. Moses need no hiding meaning to understand what US and OUR is - two or more separate beings.
No Revelation regarding Necean creeds are in anyways hidden in the Bible as Revelation. Any teaching not support by entire scripture cannot be any awaiting Revelation to be revealed to apostate Christians, the same ideology the Inquisition took place.
Finally, even Angels in the Bible are sometimes refer as Jehovah. This does not make them Almighty God, because those Hebrews knew well that they are Jehovah's representative and spokes person to him as Jesus was. Genesis 18:1-3. Exodus 4:13. Judges 13:6-8 e.t.c
The distinction between Jesus and his father have always been clear to servants of God at all times, both in OT and NT era. Compare Psalms 110:1 in OT and, check the citation in NT. Mathew 22:43-44. Mark 12:36. Acts 2:34, 35.
@@ihegbusamuel5784 angels are not called Jehovah. Jehovah himself appeared to Abraham.
Second, Col 1:16 says that Jesus is the creator of ALL things, which means he is Jehovah. Read Isaiah 45:24 and 45:12. Jehovah says that he created everything BY HIMSELF, with his own hands, without any help. Therefore, Jesus is Jehovah.
In fact, the writer to the Hebrew cites Psalm 102:25, which is about Jehovah creating all things, and says this Jehovah is Jesus (Hebrews 1:10).
As for psalm 110, Jesus raised this verse with the Pharisees in Mat 22 to show them that their conception of the messiah was wrong-the messiah was Jehovah. Read psalm 110:1, then read psalm 16:2 and tell me, who is David’s Lord?
I invited two in years ago and we argued for 4 hours. They gave up and left returning the next day with a huge pile of books. That only lasted two hours and then they set their elders on me…
Sure. Sounds fake.
James 4:11 " Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge." KJV
We should not speak evil of anyone. However,
a true JW who doesn't accept the full divinity of Jesus cannot truly be called a brother. By the Holy Spirit's working through us to relate the life-giving gospel, we hope that he will be born again and become a brother.
Another great video Mr L.O.D. even after witnessing to JWs for nearly 4 decades, there are always things I learn from watching your videos.
What I find amazing about the JWs is, THEY the WT can make hundreds of doctrinal changes and blatant contradictions, and that's okay, but any Christian Denomination that is perceived to have done something wrong in their past and they the JW becomes completely obsessed and judgemental about it.
The average JW reminds me of the Racist Cop Rod Steiger in the movie "In the Heat of the Night" where all black people are guilty including the black cop (Sidney Poitier), but nearly all white people are guilt free.
The JWs allow the GB and elders etc to Basically do anything false and contradictory, but they are so bigoted against Real Christians and will try to lecture the Church on its so-called failings.
Anyway thanks again for the great videos. It helps us Apologists out in the field.
Doing what I can for the Kingdom :)
IS THE BIBLE ENOUGH? So if yes, why do you believe IN THE TRINITY WHICH IS NOT IN THE BIBLE? Why do you believe that GOD is a TORTURER when it is NOT IN THE BIBLE, etc
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I have many videos on the topic of how the concepts of Christ’s deity are in scripture. Is governing body in scripture? Publishers? Spirit Creature? Time sheets? How about the resurrected dead bring put on probation?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry IS THE BIBLE ENOUGH? So if yes, why do you believe IN THE TRINITY WHICH IS NOT IN THE BIBLE? Why do you believe that GOD is a TORTURER when it is NOT IN THE BIBLE, etc
@@LightoverDarkMinistry LOL, so you are saying the BIBLE IS NOT ENOUGH because you have to believe in the pagan trinity and that GOD is a torturer
Ask them if they didn't get their own bible until 1950 what took God so long to get it right
I haven't read the NWT, however in Reina Valera (Spanish language), in the book of prophet Oseas, chap 3, God says that He is the only saviour and the only liberator taht took his people out of Egypt (physical and spiritual). So, if Lord Jesus came as saviour and liberator in the sipirtual realm, He is God. Besides, when he speaks with the parents of Samson, presenting as the Angel of Jehova, He accepts the adoration of Samson's parents. Also, when talks to Gedeon, he accepts the gift given by Gedeon. If Lord Jesus were an Angel of God, he could not accept the adoration or gift from human beings. Besides, in the 2nd book of Chronicles, it states that when king JOsafat prayed and asked for assistance against the armies of MOab, Amon and mount of Seir, the Sipirt of God came to a Levi's son and talked to the assembly "this is not your war, but mine". In the book of prophet Zachary, chapter 3, speaks to Zorobabel and says "it's not with army, it's not with force but with my Spirit". So, if the Hoolgy Ghost is not real, God and Lord Jesus are liars.. Some one is mistaken in our world, nad hardly is our Lord.
From where did one come up with all this may I ask?
According to Paul, God only used Jesus in the First Century.
Please read Hebrews 1:1,2.
Titus 2 vs 13. All you need to know.
@iceland1 so my friend tell me what does that mean that you receive the Holy Spirit, does that now mean that you're going to heaven?, well what about the rest of the people that are going to live on the Earth forever did they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? Psalms 37:29 the righteous themselves will possess the Earth and live forever upon it? Did King David go to heaven, did Abraham go to heaven, or are they going to live on the Earth forever?
❤ Are you a Witness of the Lord Jesus Christ Acts 1:8
❤ Have you received your free gift of salvation and forgiveness of sins by calling on the Lord Jesus Christ
❤Two class of people saved and people still lost
My friend is JW and told me he goes to the nice homes because he thinks someday it might be his. That is a major selling point he tried on me. I just laugh at the thought of it.
It seems your friend has much to work on. Being materialistic it a trait of this Satanic word.
(1 John 2:15-17) Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world-the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life-does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever.
That mindset isn’t necessarily due to your friends beliefs.I can recall a time when some Christians were naming it a claiming it.
Ask the folks at your door "Why are you here today? Are you recruiting new members for your church?" Some will say "No, we're just out trying to encourage people to read their Bibles." If they say that, proceed to LOD's question 3. Then ask: "Why would you tell me you're here to get me to read my Bible more if, according to the WT, reading the Bible doesn't do any good"?
If the answer to "Why are you here?" is "We're telling people about God's Kingdom", you can follow up with "Why would you tell me about a kingdom you're not in?" They'll of course immediately say they ARE in it.
Ask: "Is it true that WT doctrine says only the anointed (144,000) are *born again?* "
They'll confirm that. They have to. If they don't, point them to this from JW.org:
"Misconception: A person must be born again to gain salvation or to be a Christian. Fact: Christ’s sacrifice provides salvation not only for those who are born again as the ones who will rule with Christ in heaven but also for the earthly subjects of God’s Kingdom. (1 John 2:1, 2; Revelation 5:9, 10) That second group of Christians have the opportunity to live forever in Paradise on earth.-Psalm 37:29; Matthew 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:1-5." They are clearly saying that the other sheep just *subjects* of the Kingdom, not members thereof. It says clearly that the great crowd is not born again.
Ask: "Since Jesus said you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God, doesn't that mean you're not in it?"
They'll try to say that being in the great crowd allows them into receive salvation on the coattails of the anointed.
Show them John 3:3 (NWT): "In response Jesus said to him: 'Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.'”
Ask: "Jesus says you must be born again to see the Kingdom. WT says you aren't born again unless you're of the anointed. Doesn't that HAVE to mean you won't see the kingdom? Doesn't the GB's statement *directly conflict* with the words of Jesus?"
My intent is not to promote "gotchas". I'm trying to illustrate that they're not really honest about their motivation for being at your door. If they're not, you have to wonder *why not* . If they came right out and said "I'm here in hopes of starting a 'bible study' with you so I can get you into the organization", that wouldn't go over well for most people. So, they cloak their intent.
Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
JOHN 3:6- What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit SO what happens to those BORN FROM THE SPIRIT? they are what? they ARE SPIRIT? are you a spirit?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 So are you born again? I can do this all day there skippy. All you do is ask questions you can't answer yourself? ARe you born again? If "no", then you cannot see the Kingdom of God. Those are Jesus' words, not mine. If "yes", then you apparently don't believe the WT and there is hope for you.
@@richbaker7187 SEEing something does not equate that you cannot be saved. why, are you A SPIRIT? those BORN FROM A SPIRIT, IS A SPIRIT - JOHN 3:6
@@Mr.DC3.1914 What are you on about now?
They reject about all of the New Testament really. Sin and Salvation is not in their vocabulary. You can`t reason with people like that. Nevertheless my favorite verses to attack them would be where Jesus refers to Himself as the Alpha and Omega in Revelations...... (Revelation 1:8,1:11,21:6,22:13).
WHAT!!!! How did Jesus address himself as the Alpha and the Omega?
Please read 1:1 of Revelation. God GAVE Jesus the Revelation. Why? Because only God knows the future. Jesus didn't.
How would Jesus wriggle himself into the position of God while God is GIVING him the Revelation? How would that make any sense.
Is it, grab a verse from anywhere and give it a twist to prove JWs wrong????
The question is, who is fooling whom?
Or, you could ask them if: 1) Are they having a tough day? 2) Would they like some form of liquid refreshment? 3) what is the mean air velocity of a swallow? (answer: approximately 0 (because velocity is a directional vector and a bird flies back and forth most of its life)) As I understand it, they are compelled by their religion to “witness” to others, so in general, they are just trying to get through their day, just as you are. Maybe, you could just be cool. Cheers.
What do you mean? African or European swallow?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...................
In my opinion, another good reasoning against the argument of needing an outside publication is pointing out the fact that the authors of the Bible and the people who it was being spoken to at the time were bronze age shepherds and fishermen. If the message is given to people such as these, why should we who are far more educated than they were need help understanding something that even an uneducated labourer could understand
Do you believe it is education level that makes God's word understandable? Wasn't there an educated class in Jesus' day that struggled to recognize Jesus was the Messiah?
Matt 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes.
@@777Tralfaz777 of course not. Jesus spoke primarily to the average person in the street, and when he wasn't he was talking to his disciples. The patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, were nomadic shepherds.
And that's the point that I'm trying to make. People spend thousands of dollars on theology degrees to dissect scripture down to see if they can manipulate some hidden meaning from it when the message is actually pretty simple because it's meant for everyone regardless of their level of education.
In terms of the Pharisees of Jesus' time, it wasn't so much a lack of understanding of what Jesus was saying but what He was saying was calling them on their corruption. For example we see in John 8, they dragged a woman naked through the streets and threw her at Jesus feet in order to manipulate scripture so they could in one way or another deplatform Jesus.
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, ‘Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?’ They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. John 8:3-6 They deliberately omitted that the same law that they referred to says that both man and woman caught in the act of adultery were to be punished (Leviticus 20:10 and Deuteronomy 22:22)
The pharisees and the "teachers of the law" were trying to drive Jesus into a fork. He had been teaching forgiveness, if He said that He sided with the law, it would have discredited Him as a hypocrite. If He stuck with the message of forgiveness, He was going against the law and giving them an excuse to execute Him. This was the nature of the "educated people" of His time.
@@Steve_P_B You asked in your OP "why should we who are far more educated than they were need help understanding something that even an uneducated labourer could understand"
Level of education is not the issue. God draws people to the truth of His word, and has a people who go around preaching and teaching, like Jesus said to. Being educated is a guarantee of nothing regarding the truth of God's word. Case in point, aren't a number of "educated" people atheists? But if you are honestly seeking God, He will let Himself be found. 😀
@@777Tralfaz777 it was a rhetorical question
@@Steve_P_B Sorry, I didn't see it that way. You asked why we need "publication" since we are so very smart now. IMO, it was not valid reasoning. 😀
Most scholars believe that Jesus was born between 6 and 4 BC, and that Jesus' preaching began around AD 27-29. But It has been claimed that Jehovah was the invention of a Spanish monk (Raymundus Martini) in 1270 by inserting (incorrectly) the consonants (obviously this is an error -- the author probably meant "vowels") for the words often transliterated as "Elohim" and "Adonai" in between the four Hebrew letters representing the tetragrammaton of God's Holy Name in Hebrew, which he, as it has been asserted, "translated into 'Jehova' or 'Jehovah'". Such often claim that "Jehovah is a false name" "made up by a Catholic monk". ( So if Jehovah is a false name so are the one who witness for this false hood ) ( NWT ) Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” ( So who ever calls on this false name will be saved )
The point about the children of God, most will say Yes. Your understanding is too nuanced for them, most don't even know their own religion. The answer they will end up giving you is there are earthly children and heavenly children. Just like the resurrection, earthly and heavenly. It doesn't square with scripture, but that's as far as you will get.
Yet another question, may be the most difficult for a Jehovah Witness to answer: Why did the chicken cross the road?
to knock on a door and spread the good news
Since we have a dog guard called "old devil" - a very huge German shepard male dog - those cult people will not show up or ring at our doors - Old devil does not like cult people and other strange kind of people at all - Good boy - Old devil - well done.😝😝
I have had friends that were JW, I even sort of dated a JW woman after her husband divorced her. We were good friends and she had received one small convince store (near Ripley WV), when her husband abandoned and divorced her, (he got the other store.) I delivered gas to both stores. I was a night delivery driver her store was my last stop every Thursday morning (about 2-3 AM.) One night she was awake and came out to investigate the noise I was making with the delivery. For a number of weeks after that we watched movies from her store after my delivery, until the night she said we should plan a vacation to the Mormon Temple together. We never even sat close enough to touch, needless to say I changed my delivery schedule so I had one more stop (to her husband’s store) which previously had been before her stop.
Ask the JWs these two questions. Where does it say, that those who will be saved will live forever on earth in the flesh as they are now?
Also, Why did God bother to create such a vast universe, if he didn't have any use for it?
Re.7:9,14 describes a "great multitude" that survive the "tribulation" (Mt.24:21)
Psalm 37:9-11,29 explains that they'll "possess the earth and live on it forever"
What makes you think that He(God) doesn't have any use for it?
@@ripcord8738 I wouldn't say that the great multitude is referring to the Jehovah's Witnesses. The JW numbers are very tiny.
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new Earth". Rev12:1 "NIV" Do you understand what that means? It means a new Universe and a new Earth.
Earth will last forever but not as we know it. The new earth and the new Erath and the New universe will be combined.
@@benjaminfalzon4622Ripcord is a troll.
@@ripcord8738 It doesn't say that the multitudes are JWs, and it doesn't say they will inherit the Earth, Forever!.
It says "I saw a new heaven {New Universe} and a new Earth Rev 21. "NIV"
"Dear Friends, We are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been known. But we know that when Christ appears we will be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2. We will be like him, " Is Christ now a Spirit or flesh"? The answer is. Spirit.
Jesus told Nicodemus he must be born again. Born again means a transition, from flesh to spirit. Just like Jesus. Jesus was buried in a mortal body and raised by the resurrection into an everlasting spiritual body. "And we shall be like him. says 1 John 3:2.
@@ripcord8738 The Bible says the earth won't last forever.
Yes, I am a child of God:
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Romans 9:25-26
It is as he says also in Ho·se´a: “Those not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved ‘beloved’; 26 and in the place where it was said to them, ‘YOU are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
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[Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses ----->> ‘YOU are not my people,’
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The last words in the Bible are . Revelation
Chapter 22 18-21. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Yes Jesus did return invisibly, because he said he will come back in the same manner, what Manner did he leave? he left behind the cloud according to the Bible. Everything behind a cloud is invisibility, so tell me friend how are you going to explain that? Deceivers Lie by omission , you have to look at context, when a plane goes through a cloud the plane disappears.
Go ahead and email me. If you think I misrepresented scripture, I’ll give you a chance to explain your position and prove me wrong.
Whenever someone wants to bestow me their authoritarian Jesus figure upon me, I just respond with telling them I'm an Ezekiel 23:20 Christian and that usually puts an end to any unwanted social interaction
Jehovah's witnesses believe the bible was originally intended for the anointed alone and non anointed are saved by serving the anointed as god's spokes people on earth, so no, often the Bible is not referencing ordinary witnesses just the anointed. Ordinary witnesses are saved by "holding on to the coat tails of the anointed"!
1, Could you please turn around.
2, Could you walk back down my garden path
3,... and lastly could you close the gate behind you
Indeed, your choice to make. But what if Jesus sent them? How would you know?
@@777Tralfaz777 He'd protect them from my dogs. 😂
@@PortmanRd No, as persecution was foretold. Which is why we were told to be cautious.
(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
I actually got entertained (along with my ex) at a house full of J.W's. Starter, main, and a sweet. Oddest experience of my life.
@@PortmanRd How so?
I don't talk to JWs. In fact they stopped coming to my door years ago.
Did you request them to stop coming?
@@MichaelTheophilus906 That is pretty typical in the USA. That should not stop us though. Unless you specifically said to not come back.
@@777Tralfaz777 Deut 6.4-6, Mark 12.28-32, John 17.3, John 20.17, Rom 15.6, Rom 16.27, I Cor 8.6, II Cor 11.31, I Tim 2.5, Rev 3.2, Rev 3.12, and many other scriptures.
Ezekiel 2:7 You must speak my words to them, whether they listen or not, for they are a rebellious people.
Any guess as to who will the loser will be.
They claim that 1 John 2:27 is only for the anointed
That's because it is.
Are you an ex JW?
@@ripcord8738 can you clarify, is the Ethiopian man in the NT reading Isaiah 53 considered anointed or not by JW? The reason I ask is I thought JW believe all early Christians were anointed so I'm trying to understand at what point they become anointed and no longer need anyone to teach them?
@@timd3895 Are you a JW?
@@timd3895 it's all in the book of ACTS , Acts 2:38 , They have to twist there teaching so they can become the power over the rank and file
@@ripcord8738 The JW Anointed class the GB 144,000 twisted teachings, This is for everyone who is baptized in the name of Jesus , Acts 2:38 and call on the name of JESUS.
Acts 4: 11This Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ 12 Salvation exists in NO ONE ELSE, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
Here’s a couple of easy to understand verses that clearly demolish their argument that Jesus is not God. First.is Isaiah 43:10 which states “before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” This clearly tells us that Jesus cannot just be “a god.” Either He is God or He is not God. And to prove that He Himself declared He is God, let us go to John 8:58 where He stated: “ before Abraham was l am,” directing them to Exodus chapter 3 referring to Himself as the I AM of the burning bush. Also to further clarify this, 7:15 7:15 in chapter 6 verses 2,3 it says: “And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him. I AM the Lord. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was l not known to them.” These powerful versus also demolish their argument that Jesus is nowhere referred to as God Almighty! He even refers to Himself as JEHOVAH!!!
Hello Kevin. Apologies for the long wait. Life is very hectic at the moment. Can I cut to the chase? I think your questions are all about literal as opposed to figurative interpretations of Revelation. I suspect (And correct me if I'm wrong), that if I say that the 144,000 are not literal Jews (Which I saw somewhere else that you believe they aren't anyway) and not literal virgins, etc., then what is the basis for holding that the number 144,000 IS literal?
I promise to be more prompt in the future. But, to be honest, I will most probably not be posting on this channel any longer, once our current conversation runs it's course. Hope this message finds you well. Sorry, I'm not tech savvy, and I don't know how to tag people unless it's a 'reply'. So hope you find this.
Hi Matt, thanks for the post.
Yes, if you are going to insist that the number 144,000 is a literal number then you must be consistent and hold that they are literal Jews and literal virgins. The Watchtower-Study Edition, September 1, 2004, p. 30, cites two scholars to claim the 144,000 is a literal number, yet both of them do so while insisting that they are literal Jews in contrast to the “great multitude” who are Gentiles.
John wrote apocalyptic literature and numbers are highly symbolic. The number 12 is very symbolic:
Rev 4:4 - 24 (12 x 2) thrones on which 24 (12 x 2) elders sit
Rev 12:1 - a crown of 12 stars
Rev 21:12 - New Jerusalem has 12 gates that have the names of the 12 tribes of Israel, with 12 angels standing before them.
Rev 21:13 - New Jerusalem has 12 foundations that have the names of the 12 apostles.
Rev 21:16 - New Jerusalem is 12,000 x 12,000 x 12,000.
Rev 21:17 - The thickness of the walls of New Jerusalem is 144 cubits (12 x 12).
Rev 21:19-20 - New Jerusalem has 12 different precious stones
Rev 21:21 - The gates of New Jerusalem are 12 pearls
Rev 22:2 - Inside the city the tree of life has 12 kinds of fruit and produces a new crop 12 times a year
Rev 7:4 - 144,000 (12 x 12,000)
Rev 7:5-8 - 12,000 (12 x 1000) from each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
The number 12 in Revelation is clearly symbolic. Just as the number 7 is symbolic. Do you think there were only 7 churches in that area? No, 7 are mentioned because 7 is a symbolic number-go through Revelation and look at all the 7’s.
In fact, your own organization admitted at one time that 12 is symbolic and even listed Revelation 7:4-8 as an example of symbolism:
“Numbers in the Bible can often be taken literally, but they are sometimes used as symbols. The context usually indicates whether a particular number is used as a symbol. Consider these examples of the symbolic meaning of numbers in the Bible:…12 This number seems to represent a complete, divine arrangement. For example, the vision of heaven given to the apostle John included a city with ‘twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles.’ (Revelation 21:14; Genesis 49:28) Multiples of 12 can have a similar meaning. -Revelation 4:4; 7:4-8.” ijwbq article 69
Even if I granted that the 144,000 is a distinct group from the "great crowd" (which I don't agree with), you still aren’t justified in claiming that this is a literal number-it’s symbolic. To make the claim that everything in the passage is symbolic _except_ the number is nonsense, especially in light of the type of literature John is writing and the fact that the number 12 is clearly symbolic in Revelation.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Hello. Sorry, but I don't find your argument all that strong. Of course I agree that numbers have symbolism, but that doesn't mean they can't be literal at the same time. The Bible still speaks of a literal 12 tribes of Israel, and Jesus literally had 12 Disciples. Likely this was Because of the symbolism of that number. Same as why Jehovah decided on the number 144,000 to comprise the Bride of Christ.
New Jerusalem is purely symbolic. It's a symbolic city that represents those of Jesus’ followers who go to heaven to rule with him in God’s Kingdom. (Revelation 3:12; 21:2)
@@mattgardiner614 I agree that there are literally 12 tribes and 12 disciples... so? As I've demonstrated, numbers are highly symbolic in Revelation because it's apocalyptic literature-you need to recognize the genre that you're dealing with.
Now, you claim my argument is weak. Ok, so demonstrate from the context why everything must be taken symbolically _except_ the number 144,000.
You also need to explain why your own organization in ijwbq article 69 admitted that Rev 7:4-8 is an example of the symbolic multiple of the number 12.
The issue of the 144000 is just one of many problems JW's have.
@@mattgardiner614 A little help for plausibility check:
144,000 is represented as a combined number.
12 x 12,000 " F R O M " all the tribes of the sons of Israel, with the tribes listed individually.
The interpretation practice of the Watchtower Society in relation to statements in the same chapter of the same book.
1.) The apostle John just "hears" the following information (Revelation 7,4-8).
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12 x 12,000 = 144,000 " F R O M" (i.e. the distillate of an indefinite number of persons) = literally ??????
all the tribes of the sons of Israel such as Reuben, Levi, Simeon, etc." = symbolic ???
2.) The apostle John then "sees" the following vision: (Revelation 7,9-17).
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Time: after the return of Christ and the attained salvation for the individual believer.
Creat Crowd "F R O M" all nations etc. = literally
not countable = literally
Performs sacred service "in the temple of God" = literally or symbolic ????
Question: Where is the temple located?
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@@mattgardiner614 I don't want to withhold from you the following facts, which in this context could be instructive for you to identify the group of 144,000.
Crucially, the 144,000 are referred to as a „selection“ from all the tribes of the sons of Israel.
In Revelation 14:4, they are described as "firstlings" who were bought for God.
Revelation 4,4 (NWT Study Edition)
„……These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb,“
A parallel can be found in the following Bible texts.
Romans 11,15-16 (NWT Study Edition)
„For if their being cast away means reconciliation for the world, what will the acceptance of them mean but life from the dead? 16 Further, if the part of the dough taken as f i r s t f r u i t s is holy, the entire batch is also holy; and if the root is holy, the branches are also.“
This statement refers to Revelation 5:9-10, which describes the totality of those who benefit from the blessings of Jesus' voluntary sacrificial death in this epoch.
Revelation 5,9-10 (NWT Study Edition)
„And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue* and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kingsr over the earth.”
The circle closes when one considers that Jesus was sent exclusively to the Jews to fulfill the Old Covenant.
John 1,11-13 (NWT Study Edition)
„He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him. 12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name. 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.“
John 1,31 (NWT Study Edition)
„Even I did not know him, but the reason why I came baptizing in water was so that he might be made manifest to Israel.”
Acts 3,25-26 (NWT Study Edition)
„You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your forefathers, saying to Abraham: ‘And by means of your offspring all the families of the earth will be blessed.’ 26 God, after raising up his Servant, sent him to you first to bless you by turning each one of you away from your wicked deeds.”
However, according to the apostle Paul, this possibility was only available to the native Jews in fulfillment of the Old Covenant as long as the temple services in the city of Jerusalem were still in operation (Hebrews 8:13).
Because with the destruction of the city and its temple in the year 70 AD by the Roman army, the surviving inhabitants were dispersed to the foreign regions and the records of tribal affiliation were destroyed. In this sense, the natural Israelites could only implement the transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant until this event.
When Revelation 7:1-3 speaks of angels symbolically holding back the wind, this statement is aimed at the event of the destruction of the Jewish system as a symbol of the Old Covenant, which was already foretold in the book of Daniel.
Daniel 9,26-27 (NWT Study Edition)
“And after the 62 weeks, Messiʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.
“And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.
27 “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease. And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.”
These premises are fundamental to understanding Revelation.
1.) The starting point of the visions refers to the time of the 1st century (a letter to the communities already existing at that time, which should not be sealed. (Revelation 1:4; 1,11; 22:10).
2.) All letters of the New Testament are addressed to anointed Christians. This also applies to the Letter of Revelation. This letter was not intended to introduce a second class of Christians to doctrine. The target group is clearly defined in the letter itself. (Revelation 1:6; 1:9; 2:10-11; 5:9-10).
Question:
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In order to bring about a final clarification of the question, one cannot avoid but fathom where the temple mentioned in Revelation 7:14 is located.
Revelation 7,15 (NWT Study Edition)
"That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night i n h i s t e m p l e; and the One seated on the thronep will spread his tent over them."
OK, then show us an actual application IRL of these three questions with some recorded footage.
A person who wakes up and leaves the cult, but remains a christian, has not fully woken up.
Nobody consciously 'knows' if there is a God and if so what that looks like. Nobody consciously "knows" if there is an after life. Nobody actually KNOWS anything...so whether there is God or not...claiming one's religion is the one TRUE one and all others are NOT ...so as making YOU the special one who KNOWS...is counter productive. We live here on this planet...the only logical thing for us to do is care for one another and this planet...not only to increase how long we live but, to increase the quality and joy of living...We cannot survive without each other. Why not work every day to be better human beings to each other. PERIOD A benevolent GOD would be pleased about that.
@David19746The orthodox church is true Christianity.
David is Ripcord (JW troll).
The Jehovah's Witnesses used the King James version until the 1950's.
And they still use it for comparison.
Have you heard the Good Word about the coming of the Almighty Cthulhu? Are you ready when HE rises from the sea? Are you ready for the Death of all Reality? And as they retreat, send them off with the blessings of the Old Ones to speed their way.
How about (since they say Jesus is the archangel Michael) ask them where in the Bible has a prophet or angel accepted worship? Then point out Jesus accepted worship from Thomas.
You mean honoring the anointed one? The one God elevated to be our King? Have you never read this? Phil 2:9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend-of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground- 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Who exalted Jesus?
@@777Tralfaz777 Yes, that does show He is God. Thank you. Also John 14:8-11
@@thebes56 No sir. He is honored because he was sent by God, to be the Messiah. And because of Jesus faithfulness, he was elevated by God to be our Lord. But God remains Jesus' Lord.
(1 Corinthians 11:3) But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Regarding John 14, yes Jesus perfectly represented God for us.
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
@@777Tralfaz777 He did not say I am an image of the Father. He said when you see me you have seen the Father. He was “…made for a little while lower than the angels…” (Heb. 2:9). In Gal. 4:4, it says He was made under the Law. So, as someone under the Law, he had to pray to the Father and do the Father’s will. Also, in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus “emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men…”
@@thebes56 You said "He did not say I am an image of the Father."
Actually, the Bible directly says that.
(Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
You said "he had to pray to the Father and do the Father’s will."
Why if Jesus is God??? You are inadvertently admitting the Father is the God of the Bible. And Jesus was subject to Him. Plus, 1 Cor 11:3 is long after Jesus was resurrected, and *God* is still Jesus' head, or Lord.
1st Peter 3:18 says, "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit". he did not come alive in the flesh but came alive in the spirit. I know that many deceivers will twist the scriptures to their own destruction. But listen to the scripture and what it's telling you, remember Jesus returned in the same manner that he left which was invisible behind a cloud and when it says he every I will see him they're talking about the eye of perception look up the original Greek word see in Strong's Concordance and you can see for yourself that that word also means perception to perceive something is not the same as looking at it physically but mentally
i have a sign on my door gate that says....jw dont knock...they dont...now i sleep great
(Matthew 24:39) and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
God cannot be found fault with. He tried to send his Witnesses, but the people rejected them.
(Matthew 23:37) “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her-how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! BUT YOU DID NOT WANT IT.
@@tongakhan230 Why don't you read those verses in different Bible translations?
@@tongakhan230 "He... them."
He never sent any witnesses.
Thank you.
I live in a small town in an apartment complex owned by a family of J.W.'s.
I took advantage of covid and was able to listen in on one of their Sunday meetings on Zoom because there was no way that I was going to go in person with them.
I found out what they do on Sundays. They are given a magazine to study all week long and then they are expected to answer questions (according to the magazine).
No one needs a Bible because they study the magazine put out by the governing body.
Sad, Sad and more Sad! No wonder they are so brainwashed by doctrines of men.
Just like all the others who believe that they are the only true church.
So much pride.
Did the magazine contain any author's name alongside the articles?
Or did those articles direct attention to what the Bible teaches?
@@tongakhan230
I wasn't there in person so I don't know if the magazine contained any author's name.
It was about 2 years ago so it's hard to remember exactly but I remember how insignificant the questions were to the point where some young children were answering. It was more like what was the name of a certain person, things like that.
I don't recall any teachings about the Lord Jesus Christ, his gospel, about how we are to live being in Christ Jesus.
@@CherylArsenault123 : Worldwide JWs study the SAME Bible based material at the same time (relative to their time zones).
The question and answer system is to help those in the audience to remember the material.
To answer, they have to prepare. Looking up all the cited scriptures.
That is why JWs know the Bible from cover to cover by their constant usage of it.
None of their publications have an author's name taking credit for the article.
All credit goes to Jehovah, their God.
Isaiah 50:4 The Sovereign Lord Jehovah has given me the tongue of those taught,
So that I MAY KNOW HOW TO ANSWER the tired one with the right word.
He awakens me morning by morning;
He awakens my ear TO LISTEN like the taught ones.
@@tongakhan230
I figured who you were by your first comment.
If you truly have a love of the truth of God's word then I pray that you would take some time by yourself with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ and pray for truth and dive into the N.T. and don't be afraid to read in context all of the scripture that I am showing you.
The N.T. says that we are to be witnesses of Jesus, not Jehovah.
(John 1:14-15, Acts 5:32, Acts 13:31, Acts 23:11, Revelation 20:4)
Acts 1:8
King James Version
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be WITNESSES unto ME both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
NOWHERE does it say that Jesus was an angel, NOWHERE!
It says he is God in the flesh, not God the Father but God the Word.
Sadly in the 1800's a lot of Zionist Jews (wolves) came out and created lies and people followed. I believe it was Ellen White of S.D.A. who was the first one to say that Jesus was an angel, even the brother of Satan.
I believe the Mormons have something similar, the same with J.W.'s, who sadly are not the witnesses of Jesus as the Bible says.
This is not new though, the writer of the book of Hebrews had to address this to the Hebrews, that is how I know where the teaching that Jesus was an angel, comes from.
No, Jesus was NOT an angel, the angel of the Lord is Jesus's angel.
Jesus was the Word of God and created all things including the angels.
Compare these verses please, where the LORD and the Lord speak of the angel of the Lord as "mine angel".
(Exodus 23:23, Exodus 32:34 and Revelation 22:16)
Jesus the Lord sent his angel, and calls that angel "mine angel".
The Lord Jesus has been reigning over his church since he ascended to be glorified, he was given all power over heaven and earth.
(Matthew 28:17-20)
And NO Jesus never said he would return invisibly, with no proof, my goodness no! Beware of false prophets!
Every eye will see the Lord when he returns in the clouds!
(Revelation 1:7)
Matthew 24:21-30
King James Version
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Jesus is to be worshipped as Lord and we know that we are never to worship an angel. His disciples worshipped him because they knew who he truly was and is and is to come. Even the wise men knew who Jesus was, even as a baby, they worshipped him.
Do not listen to men as if they are in place of the Lord Jesus Christ, that is what some Catholics and some protestants do, exalting mere men as if they were God himself. That is how they gain control.
Worship Jesus and call him "Lord", all to the glory of God the Father.
(Matthew 2:11, Matthew 8:2, Matthew 9:18, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 15:25, Matthew 28:9, Matthew 28:17, Mark 5:6, Luke 24:52, John 9:28)
(Philippians 2:9-11)
Please read this.....
vs. 5 is asking....to which of the angels did he ever say this at any time?
which means that God never did say that about any angel and you will NOT find it written in the Bible.
vs. 6 speaking of the Lord Jesus Christ "let all the angels of God worship him"
vs.8 God spoke of the Son saying "Thy throne O God, is for ever and ever".
Hebrews 1:5-8
King James Version
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
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We are in the perilous last days where there are many false prophets and false teachers....Be Not Deceived.
Only believe the written word of God in the N.T. aka the new covenant.
The so called governing body of J.W.'s is NOT infallible!
Just like the Pope is NOT infallible!
We are supposed to search the scriptures to see if what they say is true.
We are to test the spirits because many antichrists came even in the beginning of the church and many have come out again, especially in the 1800's and on.
Do NOT read their Bible translation because they have taken out words and added words. God is to be called Father because he is our Father, nowhere does it actually say to call him Jehovah in the N.T.
I'm praying for you and others who have been caught up into believing things that are NOT Biblical just like the many other denominations.
Another thing that you should think about........J.W.'s are quite proud in that they are not of the world but is that really true?
The organization accepts tax exemptions from the governments/the world in order to gain more money.
But Jesus said to pay the government taxes when the Jews tried to trip him up. All denominations are registered with the government/the world as a non profit BUSINESS in order to NOT pay taxes, why?
For money of course.
Then the government owns them in part because they are friends of the world (only a friend gives a tax break) which makes them enemies of God. (Luke 20:21-25) (James 4:4)
That is how they got most of the churches to close down during covid, the ones who fought it and actually lived by faith were threatened with having their tax exemptions taken away and even having to pay back taxes.
Why? Because they made a deal with the government, they entered into a friendship with the government and were not doing the will of the government but the will of God.
Some even went to prison over it. This has been the closest thing to persecution that the western churches have seen in years.
Many denominations fell from the faith that was once delivered to the saints. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Jude 1:3)
Always reminds me of the state of things when the Son of man, the Lord Jesus Christ returns.
There will be little faith left. Many will have been martyred for being faithful and only a remnant will be left alive when he returns after he raised the dead in Christ first.
Luke 18:7-8
King James Version
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
@@CherylArsenault123 :The TRUTH is staring one in the face. Inability to see it is because one is not searching for it.
Here it is:
'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5,13.
Was Paul comparing God to angels? Or was Paul showing that Jesus was CHOSEN from among the ANGELS?
(Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
Please let me know from when God has been able to chose HIMSELF from among COMPANION GODS. And ANOINT HIMSELF.
And who is God's God?
FYI, Acts 8:30-40 goes as follows:
Acts 8:30-40 KJV
[30] And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? [31] And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. [32] The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And like a lamb dumb before his shearer, So opened he not his mouth: [33] In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: And who shall declare his generation? For his life is taken from the earth. [34] And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? [35] Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. [36] And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? [37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. [38] And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. [39] And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. [40] But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Cæsarea.
Please note especially v. 37.
My friend, as a trinitarian, I want to be the one to respond to your post so it can be done in gentleness and love. Most modern versions (not only the NWT) do not contain Acts 8:37 because the earliest manuscripts do not contain it. I encourage you to read the NET not at the end of Acts 8:36 for the reason the verse is omitted in modern versions.
For people who are unaware of textual variants in the manuscripts, it can be jarring to their faith but it shouldn't be. If the textual transmission was closely guarded by a single group, like the RCC, then I would expect there to be very few variants... but then I would wonder how much of it is original and how much has changed. For instance, Muslims claim the Quran is letter for letter, dot for dot unchanged since the time of Muhammad. This is complete nonsense, but it makes for a good apologetic among the ignorant. However, they do have much fewer variants in their manuscripts than the Bible does. Why? 1) They have fewer manuscripts, 2) their religion is younger than ours, 3) Christianity was illegal for the first 300 years of its inception whereas Islam was dominant and spread by the sword, and 4) Christianity wasn't centralized, Islam was. This is really important. Christianity spread everywhere and people copied books of the Bible wherever they could. When Islam spread and people started to realize that their Quran's differed, Uthman (one of the early leaders) made a new Quran and ordered everyone to burn their old Quranic manuscripts. In 1924, they made the Cairo ed of the Quran and threw all the other manuscripts that differed from it into the Nile River.
Looking at the Quran, a person wonders, "How can you ever know what the original said?"
But since Christians don't destroy their manuscripts, we can compare all of them and determine what the original said.
There are over 500,000 variants (differences) between the Biblical manuscripts... because we have thousands of manuscripts! 99% are spelling differences and nonsense errors. I would take a million variants with thousands of manuscripts spread out over the world than to have very few variants and only a handful of manuscripts that had been clearly manipulated by the leaders of the religion.
I encourage you to do some research into textual criticism. Dan Wallace is a good place to start.
Ask them how it's possible that dinosaurs have been proven to be meat eaters. Were they on the ark? Were they allowed to eat meat long before humans? 🤔
Every time I mention John 14 : 26 they leave and won't answer any question over it or they stop responding on line.
When I point to John 1 : 2 through 4 and Colossians 1 : 15 and 16 Jehovah's Witnesses change the subject. I loose more of them that way. It's sad that they run from those verses.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe Jesus literally returned to earth but they believe he turned his attention to earth
so what's ur point? Even the holy spirit is called the finger or eyes of GOD, those are PARTS of a person and not different persons
@@Mr.DC3.1914 then explain Mathew chapter 3 and Mathew 28 : 18 through 20. Also you can look at John 14 : 26.
Did JESUS say the Father will come to you or something entirely different?
We can start with those three passages. There are many more that describe the Holy Spirit as a separate individual.
@@scottgrey2877 look at their website. That's exactly what they believe. JESUS returned invisibly in 1914 and chose 8 men to be Governing Board members. Where they get that name is beyond me. It's not in the Bible.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 also read Mathew 12 : 31 through 33. Why didn't JESUS tell us it's Jehovah in that verse? Or why not the Father or GOD? Why does the Bible even mention a Holy Spirit if no different than the Father?
question 4: Whay they teching new ones from bible with 66 parts in 60 lektions , a , its like a smelling , is a number of satan , beast, man , 666???? Whay you dont take a orginal holy bible with 73 parts , a, somthing like a 777 a good teach???
The last time they showed up at my door, a woman asked me if she could talk about the bible. I asked, which bible are you talking about? Then I told her to google changes made to the bible that support JW, along with other changes to bible previsions. I explained to her why I believe the KJV is the only one that preserves Gods word. She seemed stunned and speechless. I turned around and went back inside.
I find that the simplest way to talk to a Jehovah Witness is to follow Christ’s example when in speaking to the religious leaders of his day. They in trying to trap Jesus, asked him, is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? Jesus wisely asked them for a coin and responded, who is this image, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s. Here’s my point, as a Christian we believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We know from the Bible that there is only one true God in three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the HolySpirit, and these three are One. Oh, but they’ll say, you’re a pagan, you have three gods. No, I just explained to you from the Bible that they are one God. It is you who are pagan. So I ask them, who is Jehovah? He is God they’ll respond. Then who is Jesus?
He is a minor or lesser god, is usually their answer. So I say to them, you have more than one God. It is you who are the pagans. Let me introduce you to the true God of the Bible, not the one your early founders made up. If they’re open to the truth there are dozens upon dozens of Scriptures you can share with them. If not, they’ll move on in their darkness.
Show me from the Bible the term "God the Son" and "God the HolySpirit". Show me from the Bible "there is 3 persons in one God".
You said "Then who is Jesus?
He is a minor or lesser god, is usually their answer."
No. While Jesus is a god, as even the judges of Israel were called gods in the Bible, a Witness would reply Jesus is God's Son, the one sent by God. Probably 99.9% of the time. No JW will say Jesus is a minor or lesser god to that specific question.
You said "So I say to them, you have more than one God."
The Jews and early Christians were monolatrists. As even the angels were called elohim, gods, in the Psalms. And, as mentioned earlier, even the judges of Israel were called gods by God Himself.
Should be nice one if you'd actually do on the Mennonites they had a lot of false beliefs about marriage and other things
I’m just getting started :)
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
Jesus said,
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and *you will be my witnesses* in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.”
(Acts 1:8 NET)
@@BasicBiblicalTruth : Strange! People who believe that Jesus and Jehovah are one and the same shouldn't be complaining about a difference in Jesus' or Jehovah's Witnesses.
Acts 9:4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 He asked: “Who are you, Lord?” He said: “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
Was Saul (later known as Paul) persecuting Jesus who was in heaven?
He was persecuting Jesus' DISCIPLES ON EARTH.
What were the disciples going to witness about Jesus (Acts 1:8)? That he is God's;
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,”
Being Jehovah's Witnesses will logically be a witness of who Jesus is and what he did. JWs are Jesus' DISCIPLES (John 13:35).
Hope the above helps.
JW's are not Jehovah's people, nor are they Jesus'. JWs are like Mormons and Muslims who claim to be true followers of Jesus.
When Paul cried out, "Who are you JEHOVAH?" The response shook Paul to the core because he realized that the people whom he was persecuting for proclaiming that God became human and died for sinners were right-Jesus really was Jehovah.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth : How did Christians be witnesses for Jesus? They witnessed that he was:
Acts 3:15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
If Jesus was Jehovah, no one would have been alive to resurrect Jesus. Both the one would have been dead. (Sorry for the ungrammatical statement).
Only someone who is alive and has the ability can resurrect a dead person and bring him back into life.
Jesus was DEAD. Jehovah God is ALIVE.
Hope what Jesus meant by telling his followers that they would be his witnesses and as a group being JWs is clear.
@@jimjuri6490Hr was God?
jesus only used the bible, he didn't have any other books or magazines, and tell people to read them too
What Bible did Jesus have?
I just tell them I believe in reality, not mythology.
They would probably agree. Believing that a father and son can be one and the same individual isn't a concept found in mythology.
They knock...I answer...offer a glass of water...then I ask them to join me in my morning thanks to Satan for a beautiful day....they quickly leave...politely....but quickly...
God is not that cruel...
I have studied and your three points are easily reasoned by even the most novice of JW's.
Please ask them these questions and they will sufficiently and satisfyingly give you answers based in scripture.
Well, what's the response?
You made a 9 minute video just to list three questions.
The comment thread isn't the format to elaborate the response.
@@shamurai7 I understand, just email me, would love to hear it. lightoverdarkministry@gmail.com
Ironic they don't celebrate birthdays because it's not in bible. But men wear ties which is not in bible. So many false prophecies none has come true
So is driving gas fuel vehicles not in the bible
Ask them show me in the bible were it says 144000 chosen . it doesn't
Revelation 7:3,4
This is quite good and will prove useful but it is flawed because you cannot just rely upon personal revelation that may come from reading the scriptures; they aren't open to personal interpretation. Remember Philip and the Ethiopian in Acts 8.
30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
Philip then explained the passage of scripture that the Ethiopian was reading, and told him the good news about Jesus.
Simply reading the scriptures wasn't sufficient then, nor is it today. They must be read in the light of the tradition and understanding handed down to the apostles and taught by them. Jehovah's Witnesses could point out this flaw in your argument, however they can't claim to be part of the apostolic church and lack the authority that comes from them.
Well if not us then who? If we are not capable of interpreting Scripture for ourselves then who is? You would have to claim superiority that one’s interpretation is absolute, and the reasons would be self authenticating. There is no way to know if the interpreter is speaking from the Holy Spirit or personal bias, and also no way to confirm as you’ve positioned yourself as completely lacking. With the example in acts, Phillips doesn’t have the New Testament. He vocally gives this man the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 53. We don’t need this today, we have the 4 gospels. Just my thoughts on it.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Well you have it there: who can claim superiority? If you and I were to disagree on something to do with the interpretation of scripture it is just one word against another, furthermore there is more to Christianity than what is written down. Personal understanding wouldn't impress Jehovah's Witnesses, but if you could ask them who taught them and what authority did these teachers have you would be onto something because these people do not derive their understanding from apostolic teaching. Their authority is not derived from the Church established by Jesus Christ when he taught his apostles over several years and when he conferred authority upon St Peter. Rather it is another one of these American cults that has cropped up from time to time and which decided that 1900 years after Christ they alone had realised that we got it wrong furthermore that the Christians taught by Jesus (and who taught others in turn) had completely misunderstood what He said and got it wrong themselves.
Jesus Christ taught his apostles over several years and conferred authority upon Peter saying that he would build his church upon him as the rock. We can understand the tradition from what was handed down to us from Christ, His apostles and those who sat at the feet of the apostles, i.e. the Church Fathers. Reading scriptures for yourself is not enough, this has to be done in the light of apostolic understanding and teaching. So I would say that one should refer to the Church that was established by Jesus Christ, and which taught us about Him, as well as determining what would comprise the Bible.
There is a danger in relying upon personal interpretation of scripture, for instance, Arianism can be argued from scripture just as the Trinity can, but it takes the tradition handed down to us from the Apostles to understand that the Trinity is the correct understanding of God. You have to ask yourself where this tradition, understanding and authority can be found.
When I decided to learn more about Christianity I used to be attracted to Sola Scriptura and was very suspicious of Tradition, until I learned more. I recommend "By What Authority?: An Evangelical Discovers Catholic Tradition" by Mark Shea. It is a very good read and it really opened my eyes.
I don't want to be a nuisance on your channel so I will leave it there.
Best wishes.
@@christopherquinn5899 if you're an actual Christian you're not relying on your own personal interpretation, upon our New birth God seals us with his holy spirit which gives us knowledge of God's truth and discernment to understand scripture.. no Catholic Church needed here
JOHN 3:6- What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit SO what happens to those BORN FROM THE SPIRIT? they are what? they ARE SPIRIT? are you a spirit?
Yes. I'm spirit and flesh-I'm human.
“Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (Joh 3:5)
If you haven't been born of the Spirit (John 3:8), born again (John 3:3), born of God (1Jo 5:1), then you are not a Christian.
Is God flesh or spirit?
*“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God,* and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” (1Jn 5:1)
So since I have believed that Jesus is the Christ, I have been born of God. Does that mean God has physically birthed me (flesh) or that it was a spiritual birth (spirit)?
And since I have been born of God, that makes me a child of.... ???
@@kevinfromcanada4379 you are BORN AS FLESH, so you are FLESH, are yOU LITERALLY A SPIRIT? A spirit has no bones and flesh. Jesus did not say you become A FLESH WITH A SPIRIT as every one is born as such, so BORN FROM SPIRIT is DIFFERENT fROM BORN OF FLESH, otherwise if you are a SPIRIT already, why would there be a need to be BORN FROM SPIRIT if you are already a sprit?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You didn't answer my question:
Is God flesh or spirit?
“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” (1Jn 5:1)
So since I have believed that Jesus is the Christ, I have been born of God. Does that mean God has physically birthed me (flesh) or that it was a spiritual birth (spirit)?
And since I have been born of God, that makes me a child of.... ???
@@kevinfromcanada4379 AGAIN - you are BORN AS FLESH, so you are FLESH, are yOU LITERALLY A SPIRIT? A spirit has no bones and flesh. Jesus did not say you become A FLESH WITH A SPIRIT as every one is born as such, so BORN FROM SPIRIT is DIFFERENT fROM BORN OF FLESH, otherwise if you are a SPIRIT already, why would there be a need to be BORN FROM SPIRIT if you are already a sprit? SO AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG to think WE ARE SPIRITS now
Dx, what does any of this have to do with the topic?
I'm not a Jw but an SDA we also believe that we may need help understanding some scripture.
The Bible tell us of the Ethiopian and Phillip.
Phillip asked if he understood what he was reading the Ethiopian replied how can I understand if I don't have someone to teach me. .
JW definately have got it wrong
Jesus appointed a group to help his disciples with Bible understanding as and when needed. Matthew 24:45-47.
The Ethiopian couldn't learn on his own. Philip was sent to help him.
God sends JWs to those who sincerely want to learn.
This is to show that God has only ONE UNITED organization today as he always had. Compare 1 Corinthians 1:10.
@@jimjuri6490 yes and that group is the SDA and not JW. Too many discrepancy in JW doctrine and Governing body flip flops, such as taking blood transfusions, before it was no and now it's okay and now it's also okay to grow beards and so much more to talk about.
Next thing they'll say Jesus never came in 1914 because their this generation will not pass away prediction is expired soon. Actually it already did so they came up with overlapping generation theory. NONE of which is biblically correct.
Bible warns us of man made doctrine.
And I warn everyone of JW and Mormons. And never will stop till christ REALLY comes again.
Also I will tell everyone that Jesus saves ❤
@David19746JWs got everything wrong.
Chapter 2. The Catholic Doctrine of the Trinity and Unity, Sometimes Called the Divine Economy, or Dispensation of the Personal Relations of the Godhead
@@jimjuri6490Matthew 24 is a parable.