I have been following Ronnie Coleman's journey and he is a prime example of what the professional bodybuilder has to live with when retired. Not talking about those who passed away due to the extreme sport...
@@willransier I saw Ronnie in Ohio before he had his surgeries. He was struggling to walk, he looked in pain. I felt so bad for him. I think he is the nicest most respectful bodybuilders of all time. I'm glad he is still around to be a husband and raise his children... but he put his body through hell!
You are right on point. I've been involved in bodybuilding for over 25 years. This was really well done. I just talked to a great kid i'm training this morning about steroids. He said his friends might start taking them so i spent a long time explaining to him why he should never try them. I'm going to send him this video! Thank you for making it.
Finally someone addressing the fact this type of body building is just the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to being unhealthy. Everyone knows being 600lbs and morbidly obese is bad for you, but some how no one talks about these guys dying from the same causes. Heart failure and stroke. Thank you
@@alexblaze8878 even if steroids arent helping, the sheer weight puts a massive stress on the cardiovascular system. Its just not that good to be too heavy
My friend just died this weekend from a stroke. She was an body builder whom had won competitions had been in it for about 13 years or so. Thank you for this show.
Well let me guess why, many people and athletes are dying suddenly and more than usual according to life insurance pay outs that are up over15% form previous years. Gee I wonder what is different in the last couple years.
I'm a ex bodybuilder from the Dorian Yates Era. I avoided extremes like drugs and thoroughly enjoyed the sport and lived to tell you about it. Today's extremes are much more extreme than ever before. Winning is glorious but not worth dying for.
@jasonvoorhees5640 what did you expect? he said he "avoided extremes like drugs". avoiding drugs as a bodybuilder, that's like avoiding shoes as a soccer player or clubs as a golfer. lmao
At 64 and after 24 years of training and taking AAS I suffered and luckily survived a heart attack two weeks ago. This is a brilliant and informative video. Listen up everyone!
@geoopa Is it even possible to get muscles without androgenic anabolic steroids? I'm 34, used to go to the GYM many years ago just for cardio and some easy exercises.
@@maksimnaumov2227 Ys of course it is definitely possible, just follow the 3 important ingredients, Train Hard, Eat well & often, then sleep and repeat! Give it time and you will end up a lot healthier. Just be consistent.
@@maksimnaumov2227 Yeah but you're not gonna get huge... You can train hard eat perfect and hit a wall in your genetic frame. These bodybuilders are all on gear it gives a false image of what muscle looks like on humans. We arnt even supposed to have lots of muscle it's basically just extra weight your heart has to carry.
Interesting information. I'm definitely not a bodybuilder but I go to the gym work out eat healthy. Had my physical and I'm 65 and they thought I was 45. I'm 6'1 weighing 188 lb. And I'm happy. And I take no drugs. Thank God for everything.
Being ripped is healthy but bodybuilders are unnatural and take steroids that's the reason that they're dying, be honest do u really think mr.olympia is 100 percent natural?
I started working out again in 2019 under a fellow built like Michaelangelo's statue 'David'. Not huge like the guys at the top of pro bodybuilding, but perfectly proportioned and ripped. Following his instruction, I lost 12 lbs of fat and gained 6 lbs of lean body mass. No drugs, no weird diets, just vigorous and varied strength and cardio, and lay off the sweets. I am NOT built like David, but I am in pretty good health for 70.
Hard science is boring and that is fine. A fun presentation like this presenting science to the general public is not the same as a hard science class or research.
No. It's that you're not interested in what they're teaching. You're interested in what HE IS TEACHING CURRENTLY. It's not the Teacher's fault if you don't care about the water cycle or atoms. lol Some teacher's might be awful, I understand...but...they're only half the problem there. You're still responsible for caring or not caring.
That can be applied to almost any field tbh. Music and programming was it for me... if i had competent guidance when i was younger who knows where i would be now... thanks to youtube i learnt a lot and it was actually fun to do so.
In this case. U r watching, what u unwanted. That why u click on play button. So obviously it will be more interesting for u. But that doesn't happen in school or colleges. Otherwise he is teaching like normal teachers.
Champion bodybuilder and powerlifter from the 80's here. Did grad level biochemical research and was a manager in pharma manufacturing. I was 235 and relatively hard at 19 years old. Thank God I stopped while still young. I was already experiencing substantial joint pain in my early 20's. I worked with a a PhD biochemist who did extensive monitoring, beyond simple bloodwork. When I won my big show I was utterly shredded, and what happened inside my body after that show was utterly scary. I looked myself in the mirror and said "Where are you going with this, big boy?" Bodybuilders today do not train harder, eat better, have easier lifestyles conducive to getting huge, etc. If anything, it is more difficult today due to economics and increased distractions in life. We have not evolved THAT much in 40 years from a genetic standpoint. I am blown away by what I see today. It's not simply the mass. The "different" look of elite level bodybuilders is all about extreme practices. People kid themselves, not realizing the long-term damage they are doing, both mentally and physically. I don't judge people for using PED's. Unfortunately, many people who use them have addictive personalities and not able to control their use and better than an alcoholic controls their drinking. These extreme practices are signs of mental health issues. It is addiction, plain and simple. Addiction is not simply a physical issue. I never would have believed that if you told me 35 years. It's true.
I think your generalizing the sport a little too much but I'm not picking on you or trying to be a jerk. I am a great body builder because I managed to win a state show ahead of over 60 guys that were using drugs and I never did and I did it straightly with education and hard work. I did many things that you that almost every person in the body building I knew said it was impossible to do it the way I did. These guys didn't even make it to 10th place! When I won I really started getting accused of taking steroids and it made me extremely angry. I mean I was only 183 lb at 5:11 at about 4.7% body fat! I was more educated in this subject and how the body worked that anybody I ran into down there and it wasn't even close. After that I started using peds and I never competed again because they were just too easy and a competition is not a competition when it depends on just how many drugs you can use for how long. I am almost 50 years old I have no problems I lifted heavy hard weights and still do. I don't know anybody but like these guys though that take the precautions that I did. I used to think when I was younger that I was far inferior to these guys genetically. I couldn't have been more wrong. When I first took peds I took a quarter of what my friends were doing. I could not believe how well they worked I put on 65 lb of muscle in 2 years. Another thing they said I could not do. The problem I ran into is I was never meant to be that big and the heavyweights I was using were addictive to say the least but once I was able to compensate with a little trial and error and some of the technology caught up as far as how to do it I can still do everything I did at my age now and I've never had any side effects from peds of any kind!! I've had over 40 friends die 2 years because they did not listen to me when I was trying to help them. Anyway not all bodybuilders and nowadays are lazy with no work ethic and just rely on the drugs. I quit working on competitions because the drugs just didn't make it a competition anymore it was way way too easy and wasn't worth the risks! Bodybuilders now though I'm more educated and far more hardworking than some of the older ones because you have to make the money they do and still be able to know how to use the drugs they take! I don't agree that the older bodybuilders were better than the new ones and it's not even close! One of the biggest reasons the old bodybuilders did not do so well as a new one is because they just weren't smart enough to get the same gains and have access to some of the newer drugs. They didn't know how to train or use the drugs properly and they couldn't gain the same amount of muscle. These drugs are like anything else you have a biochemical individual response or a tolerance and the way you use them is potion or poison! The lack of education and how these really work and the body responds is the problem not these people don't work hard at it! I knew better than to believe any of that stupid bro science. I went by my education and scientific method and it worked all the way to the first place state level! I still make my living completely from bodybuilding and dietetics trying to help people not make the same mistakes all these guys are. When most people find out they're dying these things they would want to stop it bodybuilders don't want to put the drugs down and I have not been able to save 10% of the people that I tried to because they just don't listen!!
@@BJETNT I never stated or meant to imply older bodybuilders are any better. I am sure many high-level bodybuilders today work just as hard as their counterparts of yesterday and I would never say they are lazy, PED's or not. But I also would not say they are any harder working than some of the bodybuilders of 30+ years ago. And it terms of knowledge, ALL we have today in terms of "how to use the drugs" is more anecdotal knowledge. If I'm wrong, please point me to the published studies telling us how to "use these drugs properly" for bodybuilding. You may not have had any noticeable side effects, but none of us have any way of knowing what is taking place at a cellular level and what long-term damage we might be doing. If pro bodybuilders today were really in control of what they were doing, I find it hard to believe they would choose to have the bloated, thick waists exhibited by so many today. It's a big experiment, and anyone who says otherwise is full of it. I made pharmaceuticals for one of the world's largest pharma companies, yet would still describe my knowledge as "limited."
Some people simply have better genetics when it comes to organ health like your heart. How is Mike O hearn who is massive and strong and lean in his 50's still incredibly healthy? Jay Cutler? Arnold.....Flex Wheeler, the list goes on. So many bodybuilders, extreme body builders are still living to this day. How are there alcoholics that can make it into their 50s and 60s before they ever have a heart attack when they are sucking down at least 12+ beers EVERY single day? A lot of it is your physical health and how you eat, but genetics makes a difference to. There are chain smokers that lived to be in their 80s and 90s. Life isn't fair.
@@wombat5252 I agree there are outliers. Had more than one in my own family. But they were not as healthy as one would guess by looking at them. The bottom line is that these folks playing around with PED's are experimenting. It's their body and their choice. The danger is when people believe they are "doing it safely." There is no "safe" way.
@@JohnSmith-ig1rr I was hardcore into bodybuilding in my younger days. Never touched any PED's and I was really heavy and managed to get as low as 8% body fat. Even if you're natural, it is NOT healthy. Lol. My hormones were all out of whack when I peaked and it didn't feel good. Low libido, bad sleeping patterns, I lost a bit of my positivity and energy if you will... Definitely not healthy being that jacked and lean, natty or not. Eating 4500-5000 calories a day was just F'n ridiculous anyways (around 1900-2400 when I went to cut that low). It's just like being 600lb to an extent. Too much on the heart. TRT medically moderated for men losing their natural testosterone production can be a good thing but you need to be careful on even that.
I was 33 when I had my heart attack from using steroids ...that was 2002..I went form 192 Lbs to 296 Lbs in 5 years...I tell my story on my channel..But you live in the moment until you have issues and life goes down hill quickly! After 15 years of seeing my cardiologist in Mass General Hospital(Boston) I was finally able to get off medication and now I do echocardiograms and stress tests every few years or if I feel like something is wrong..One of the many things in life I regret doing ..but Im still alive and was lucky I went to the hospital when I did and not ignoring the symptoms ...RIP to all those who fell victim of steroids ..
I appreciate your honesty. Glad to see that you are on track now. So many people want to blame it on the COVID vaccine, and they don't can't bring themselves to believe that it is the steroids.
@@dimarchisio if you click on my name, it brings you to my channel..Its my 2 video after starting my channel..Or just click to my playlist..thanks for the comment
This kind of information from a specialist doctor has been long overdue. Glad that finally we have a medical professional talking about it now with factuality and accuracy. Thank you Doc!
We had a guy who was a body builder show up to his first day on my old wildland firefighting crew a few years ago. He didn’t make it past our first PT hike. We almost had to carry him down the hill because he was so worn out. I’ve been saying this for years. Big muscles do not necessarily equate to a high fitness level. Thanks for another informative video doc.
We have similar experiences. My little brother talks about how these cycles give him endurance and all that and I just laugh knowing that he can't come out to the property with me and hang all day falling trees, bucking them down, splitting and stacking it. He always tells me I'd be a beast if I did a few cycles and I laugh at him and tell him that I am a beast and though he might look bigger he still has a lot of catching up to do. I've said for years now give me 80 degrees and 80% relative humidity out at the property and I will find out what kind of man you are within just a few hours. The property is a tree farm in the Appalachians in PA where I have a forester come in to outline the management to protect the projected harvests that I execute mostly by myself with occasional help from friends. It is dangerous and hard work. I worked a job years back building retaining walls and a bodybuilder guy walked on this particularly large job just to help out as he was a friend of my boss. He started talking all kinds of noise about how it looked like he was going to have to carry the majority of the block because he was the only "big guy" and my boss pointed at me and said "watch out for this guy" to which I laughed because I knew I was going to show him up. I don't think it was a full two hours later and he was gassed while I'm lapping him and still carrying two Keystone blocks at a time (roughly 82#/each). At one point before lunch the boss got back with some stuff he got from this bakery he would always go to so we all had 15 or 20 minutes to catch some shade and grab a few calories. Now my boss and this man used to box together then powerlifted for a while before this guy went into bodybuilding. This big man points at my average self and asks where he found me at because I must be some kind of freak and my boss said something like "Oh, he was a wrestler. I think he likes torture" and basically left it at that. Anyway, I agree with you. Just felt like sharing since I have time to burn.
Bodybuilder Muscle is trash. Its bulky and has zero endurance. I used to do a ton of swimming for exercise, my muscle was hard, super compact and I more than once wrested a gym abuser...All I had to do was hold them for a few seconds and then overmatch them with my raw endurance in an arm wrestle. I was stronger...I had brutal levels of endurance..because my muscle was smaller and more compact and was trained for endurance.
@@Super_Rockie_Rukawa_Kun Neither of those disciplines grant a man the endurance to put up massive walls of text in TH-cam comment replies tho, give up now.
All I know, when I was 24-28; I was a competitive powerlifter and being young and stupid, I realized the bigger and heavier I got, the stronger I was...The year I won the Nats, I took my weight to 310 and dieted back to 262 for comp...I developed heavy sleep apenea, and it got worse and worse even though I was back down to 262...my wife, on numerous occasions, had to wake me up by smacking me or shaking me because I was no breathing. I came back down to 210, and it cleared up on its own for the past 20 years. Crazy to think, but at the time, I didnt think it was serious.
Nothing seems serious when you are 24-28 years old. I’m kind of certain I was bulletproof back then lol but now I can’t even make it through the day without a nap
My college American History professor was a bodybuilder. That is, he was until he lifted too much weight on a deadlift and destroyed the blood vessel integrity of his eyes. He’s now completely blind. But he told us that was decades ago and he’s adapted to it well.
My grandpa competed 1957-1961 and got 3rd 1958 mr sweden. He stopped competing "when the hormones came", hes born in 1932 and still works out 4 times a week. He had the national record in deadlift -75kg, 1958 250kg @ 70kg, and 270kg in 1961 @ 74kg. He always talk about training and bodybuilding as a fitness and health sport, when it was that. He knew in the 50s that hormones was NOT healthy. Dunno why ppl today dont get it.
People dont seem to understand the heart is designed to move up to a certain amount of "meat" It doesent matter if its 300 pounds of fat or 300 pounds of muscle, hearts under the same strain either way
Bodybuilders and enthusiasts genuinely interested in the sport are well aware of it being extremely unhealthy. However, these are high performance athletes. They aren't supposed to be healthy. Bodybuilding is art. It's about finding out what glory the human body really is capable of. If I had no doubts whatsoever about exceeding the likes of Ronnie Coleman or other legends of the sport, I would immediately start my first cycle.
I am presently in RN school and I swear the way Dr.Raynor explained many cardiovascular disorders which was in my 3 hour lecture today 10/17/2022. I wish he taught RN school because I understood he explanations so well he made it EASY to understand. 🙂
Shoot even for someone like me who has no connection to the medical field outside of just pure fascination with how our bodies work and function, it was easy for me to understand what he was talking about :P Honestly makes me wanna be a RN more, but I don't know if I'd survive med school after the horror stories I've heard about it lol.
He's a super good teacher. I don't even know why I clicked on this video but I finished it feeling well informed and wanting to know more. Which is wild because I generally just watch funny animal videos.
Another great topic is Dehydration which is what kills bodybuilder directly Before, During or directly After a competition. Attempting to rid the body of all excess water to look as 'cut' as possible, resulting in electrolyte imbalances. I'm getting young guys, some as young 18 or 19, asking me about diuretics like Lasix to use before a show! I told the one kid: "Are you crazy, I use to give that to people who were dying!" (I use to be a Paramedic). Getting as lean as possible is the goal of bodybuilding. I love the sport but as long as that's the ultimate goal (along with large muscles), i don't see any decrease in the number of deaths. It's not an easy problem to figure out!
the worst part is terry, you don't even need diuretics to get that cut look!, a bodybuilder antoine valiant had two shows with only a couple days difference, one where he used (the first show he got second place) and the second show where he did not and won, and it was night and day difference!, truly sad.
@@Tsunamiieh I can’t remember who exactly, the name mike mentzer comes to mind(been many years since reading about it) suggested to everyone at the time that a reduction in all macros including protein rather than trying to cut water and carbohydrates especially would lead to a slightly less amount of muscle, but a far better look on stage. One of the few who had beaten Arnold during his prime. Not at the Olympia but at a smaller show during the time he was winning all of them. I know this was before as much of the harsh diuretics and such, but it was very interesting because he was correct. Slightly less massive, but not weird looking and dry as can be. I think it’s easy to forget when aiming to be so cut and how much effort is put into bodybuilding that our muscle volume is made in large part of water. I know it’s just bro science without study, but in my mind there must also be a negative effect on the look. as you mention in your example of him winning the second show whilst not being crazy dehydrated. As a grown adult I’m so glad I never had the drive to get on stage because I think I would’ve gotten hooked on it and gotten into using diuretics. I was born with a congenital cardiac issue that’s not a day to day problem but may eventually need to be fixed, and often things like I have go completely undiagnosed until an event or older age. I bet based on the statistics that a lot of bodybuilders happen to have undiagnosed congenital cardiac defects. Just based on the numbers alone there must be, it’s relatively common.
@@mrjjman2010 yeah imagine how many people go undiagnosed their entire life with heart or other things in body, bodybuilders are in this pool too, just because you're working out in a gym your body looks healthy on the outside, doesn't mean you suddenly escape the pool of people with undiagnosed diseases. Speaking on diuretics, it may also give you a flat look on the stage, idk, i feel like diuretics are misused most of the time.
I love working out but I have never had any desire to take any type of steroids or to feel like I'm really "huge" physically and I'm thankful for that...and especially after watching this and getting this type of info. Our bodies weren't made for steroid use.
@@matimus100 From what I've seen, most women don't. Fit men who are normal size but with muscle definition seem to be most popular. But gigantic hulks are just not seen as attractive.
@@jonothandoeser yea ironically despite the myth of "more muscle amount means more attractive", i have seen more overweight or simply casual skinny men being in a nice relationship than "gigantic hulks"
@@jonothandoeser thats true! I don’t know any woman that has ever said they are into bodybuilders. Like literally nobody. I think Greek Gods type of body is the one which is the best shape and seen as attractive about men.
Best I’ve heard on this topic, amazingly accurate. I’ve been training since I was 17 , I’m 77 now . Tried a few cycles in my 30’s and again in my 50’s . Just dbol initially and then anavar in my 50’s . Just mild doses for no more then 3 months at a time . The problem is it can be so addicting because of the strength gains . After years of training naturally I went from reps with 300 to reps with over 525 and felt like nothing, deadlifts improved 100% , could leg press 1125 with backboard all the way back to lockout for 15. So would think that’s great , I’m going to hop on board, please don’t. I’ve got osteoarthritis in every joint, had both knees replaced, ankles are shot , afib caused by years of high blood pressure, also holding your breath while pushing, the afib is not electrical it’s weak heart valves . The good thing is I stopped that garbage before I killed my self. I still train and hike and have my BP in control . I wish I’d never started that crap 🤔
Your heart has to pump harder for 50 more lbs, doesn’t matter if it’s muscle or adipose tissue 🤷♂️ non-natural powerlifter/nurse here and I agree with everything you said. Too much of anything is bad. Being 300 lbs is unhealthy regardless of your bodyfat percentage.
I totally agree. I grew up with the concept of doing anything with moderation that is otherwise healthy for you. During the short amount of time I worked as a cardiothoracic surgery inpatient nurse, I was surprised how physically sick bodybuilders could become as a result of excess habits or doing things like Synthol that badly hurt them. The fact that this video is being spammed with ads for quack testosterone // muscle boosting treatments makes me quite angry.
Ofcourse the hard has to Pump harder but i dont think that that is main reason. Having 300lbs is maby i know people who are just slightly lighter but can do sports involviert running with no problem. It is unhealthy for sure but not that you die so early.
That is true. I've been carrying a lot of weight for decades for all sorts of reasons (largely stress eating due to general anxiety disorder) and weirdly I actually have pretty solid cardiac function and low blood pressure, go figure.
@@lexi9956 More than *just* weight plays into heart and blood pressure stuff. Things like diet, exercise habits, and genetics - genetic predisposition can actually play a massive role in how much and how well the body can tolerate. Also, youth is generally more tolerant.
I would encourage everyone to be sure to incorporate a decent amount of cardio into your regimen. Not only will it make you healthier, it generally gives you a more natural and aesthetic physique anyway.
@@truewilliams7118 some may but usually bodybuilders hate any type of cardio, because supposedly prevents them from gaining muscle mass. I think cardio and weights, both, must be done to achieve good health.
@@truewilliams7118 they generally do moderate amount of LISS to help with cutting. A side benefit is that it helps increase work capacity in the weight room
This was excellent, perhaps the best explanation of the dangers of PED abuse in the bodybuilding world I've ever seen and on top of that the editing and the humor was just perfect. You sir are an amazing communicator!
I will never grow tired of listening to your brilliance. If every doctor knew as much as you, and their patients listened, this world would be way overpopulated.
I was into weightlifting for a few years and some of my friends that were using steroids had a unhealthy appearance. They looked like they were sick. One of my good friends who did win state bodybuilding competition, died from a heart attack at 30 years old. He was a great friend!
I'm not a bodybuilder and came across your channel by accident. This is the first time I heard about the concept of "Optimal physical condition." This is very informative and helpful. Thank you so much.
because there is no "Optimal physical condition". There are just general directions for people to take and consider. And it depends on gender, age, body type, your type of work, etc.
@dmitrizaslavski8480 well, in that case "optimal physical condition" for your body specifically. Where workout, diet, profession and medical assistance is balanced around your characteristics ,medical conditions, and other limits.
@@marks7484 It's really luck of the draw for heart health and other organ health. How is Arnold still living a healthy life at his age? How is Jay Cutler and Flex Wheeler and Dorian Yates? Mike O hearn is in his 50's and absolutely massive and strong. Still healthy. Some people croak early which could be due to excessive steroids but in the end, it's sort of luck of the draw. Diet only goes so far.
I agree with this video, when I was younger I thought bodybuilding was the way, now that I'm 45, I think mobility is the key. I still use weights, but I do more calisthenics, pullups, pushups, light weight high reps, I do alot of hanging, I look better now than when I was in my 30s. Im never tired!! I eat less, when I feel like getting lean, I dont lose any strength.
I only started in the gym in late 40's but with a heavy bias to longevity , so lifting heavy weights as a focus would mean sacrificing cardio and mobility so for example being able to do a pistol squat or a nordic curl would be more important than an extra 30 or 40 kg on a bar
That's what I do.. I ditched the "weight" chasing and went for functional strength, and cardio. I could never bench heavy and kept plateauing so i decided to do more pull up, push ups, trx pulls, farmers carries and shit like that
@@lmc4964 Great info. I still lift fairly heavy to heavy but I always get my cardio in through running, jump rope and boxing. I also always incorporate push-ups, pull-ups, air squats, core and mobility movement and massages and stretching.
Young weightlifter, here. Im new into the world of fitness. Ive lost 60 pounds, and im stronger and better looking than ive ever been. This was my goal. And its the goal i want to continue to strive for. Worrying about my health, my strength/fitness, and trying to look good. It was never about being absolutely jacked and massive because early on in my life, i learned about a lot of the shit in this video the hard way. My dad wasnt necessarily a bodybuilder, but he might as well have been one because when i was a kid...boy was he fuckin huge. Strongest dude I'd ever seen until meeting actual competitive powerlifters. Shocker, I'm sure, but Pops was on a ton of gear. Flash forward to now, he has heart problems,(runs in the family, but still), a few herniated disks, entirely destroyed rotator cuffs bone to bone in both shoulders, hip issues, bladder and prostate cancer, and troubling mental health issues due to years of the hormonal fluctuations. That's the one nobody warns you about. Even now at 50, he has a demonic temper worse than that of a tren fiend in his 20s. Not to mention that years of gear destroys natural test production so now hes on TRT. He still looks better than 80% people even at his age even with all these health issues. I've watched my old man absolutely destroy his body and basically his life for some Sick Gainz. And the sad part? My exposure to all this made me think it was normal, and I'm still comparing myself to him subconsciously, knowing that it's absolutely stupid to do so as a natty. It's really hard to beat the false expectations that PEDs press on you.
@@TERMINXX101 just a heads up, as a woman, I find men who are functionally fit far more attractive than the ripped, swole look. Most of my female friends feel the same. IMHO this is a man vs man ideology. It doesn't make a man more masculine to look like that. It just makes him bigger, which is not always better. I've met some freakishly strong, lean men. Plus, lean men have more stamina.
@@abrvalg321 A chiropractor is NOT an MD. therefore did not go to school to become an MD. Now I am not saying that this guy is not learned nor am I saying that he doesn't know wtf he's talking about . Quite the contrary but the fact remains ....
I have a high school buddy going through kidney damage right now. He's 51 and he's on a dialysis machine several times a week. He's was extremely large and muscular but it doesn't seem worth it to me. He's losing a lot of weight now and I'm hoping the best for him.
Please tell us whether he is currently or was earlier using steroids in any form and is he muscular and lean or is he carrying a lot of fat along with muscles as well which made him look extremely large?
Honestly I don't know how long he used steroids. We both graduated high school in 1990 and at that time he was about 5'8 150lbs. I lost contact with him for about 20 years but when we caught back up on Facebook he was 230 lbs and built like a professional body builder. Obviously he was juicing for some time.
A doctor I worked with did a research study about bodily builders. She focused specifically on body image. She came to the conclusion that body building had an issue with body image that was very similar to that of anorexia. While realising that most builders were psychologically health and were just enjoying a gym experience, many stepped over the line. She oserved, that there was a small but significant number of builders had body dysphoria even before they began building. These were the people, she believed pushed too hard and were more likely to take enhancement drugs. She believed that men took this route, while (usually) young women chose starvation. Her conclusion was that just like women, men get dangerous media images that can lead the vunerable into danger and as pointed out I this video increasing pressure to conform to a standard triggeres the danger in less vunerable people as they begin to perceive their physique as not upto an unattainable image.
@@garyp6395 It sure has a lot of similarities to anarexia. You want to change your body to be a perceived ideal shape. You control your eating to the point eating becomes punishing. You stress your body to its limits. You will take steroids (anorexic people take laxatives). You are prepared to work hard enough to damage your heart and cause blood vessels to crack. Just like someone with anarexia, you will work out and have a steel determination to push and push the boundary. In the same way as people with anarexia there is a componet of self determination and controll.. There is an obsessive part if it, along with an enormous amount of denial when things go too far.. Like maintaining fitness and a good profile is healthy, like slimming it can turn into a very serious problem. (I use you as the universal you, not to be personal against you the individual, English laguage gets clunky sometimes.) I am also speaking about the move from just pursuit fo fitness as it ties towards an extreme.
This is also a problem for non competitive athletes. I am a 66 year old retired elevator mechanic who just trying to stay fit. My cardiologist sat me down and pretty much told me to back off on my workouts. He told me exactly what Dr Chris has said. He also had all kinds of test done on me when I started developing A fibrillation He found out that my heart was thickening. He also checked to see if had any calcium from the heart muscle working harder. I don’t consider myself as an athlete but do work out hard for three to four ours a day. So any time you work out your heart works many times harder and like two cardiologists have drilled into my head. Harder work out are not always better work out for your heart. In everything balance is the key.
Three to four hours a day is overdoing it definitely. I am 39 and do 1 and a half hours max with 10-20 minutes of intense cardio. I also have a rest day every 3 days. Overdoing it isn't just unhealthy but also effects your gains
interesting to know, I certainly think being lighter is a no brainer and for me which has to be better for the heart, I would see trying to lift very heavy as being sub optimal , I'd prefer to be to do things like pistol squats , nordic curls, jump rope, pull ups etc. some HIIT goals and jogging/sprinting goals.
Your heart is a muscle is thicker when you work out. So. Cardiologist told you to back off workouts because you are dying, not because of workouts. In shape, your heart also pumps slower because it contracts better.
You "work out hard for three to four [h]ours a day"? At 66 years old? Three or four hours of hard working out a day? You may be the fittest person who ever lived...
I've worked with many orthos and have also had numerous orthopedic MDs as training clients...I've been to many A4M conferences and taken their equivalent fellowship in bioidentical hormones in 2008. I have never heard one speak so intelligibly about AAS/PEDs. This DOC and his channel should be commended. YOUR CHANNEL IS FUNNY, ENTERTAINING, and of course EDUCATIONAL AND INFORMATIVE. You are a master of your craft - no question, but I admire how you also stay in your lane and show humility in referencing specific nuances you admit that you are not well versed on. Especially this topic which I hold dear as a personal passion and which I have been studying since before the internet was accessible - in the early 1990s. Since then - I have not stopped this pursuit of knowledge on this topic throughout personal experience as well as UG and graduate studies and currently independent study. We need more of you sir - in medicine, on TH-cam, and in the world.
Glad you’re honest about people taking gear at the top levels. 12yrs of lifting here and so many people are entirely naive about the use of steroids in sports. Not just bodybuilding, the top people in nearly all sports take gear (not all steroids put on mass, several allow for extreme energy, recovery speed, and cardio endurance for runners/swimmers). I always hear “but it’s a natural competition and he got tested!” Yea you can go clean for a couple weeks and it won’t show in most tests, but you still have the gains (another misconception is that you’ll immediately lose all gains when going off steroids). I don’t judge people for taking these drugs (personally I think they should be legalized), but those who lie and claim to be natural just to sell a product to naive people are trash
I was so hurt when I found out most athletes at the top level are taking PEDs. And you’re exactly right, people think “he or she isn’t even big and shredded they can’t be on them” they most definitely have shit whipped up by chemists that there aren’t tests for yet.
I agree, if you’re on gear, big deal, just don’t claim to be natural to people who are influenced by you or buy your products. A big misconception about being juiced is you get “magic gains” or “magically enhanced”, you still have to work super hard to transform your body just like anyone who is natural.
Regular people die every day it doesn’t matter if you’re a bodybuilder or not once your time is up that’s it there’s nothing nobody no Doctor No medicine nothing on this planet once your time is up to go that’s it nobody can save you simple as that
It surprises me that you didnt touch on the relative starvation that body builders go through to maintain that level of definition. A friend of mine did a comp last year, just talking to the guy was difficult for at least 2 months before hand as he literally did not have enough carbs in his body to think straight. And even after, he almost had to train his body again to accept just a regular diet.
Not enough carbs? Was he starving himself or just on a Keto diet My cousin does body building. I've only seen my cousin starve himself in terms of water before a competition He would dehydrate himself to make his muscles stand out
@@danielayaquica7120 I doubt 2 months of Keto is regarded as prolonged Keto tho... I've seen many people go at it on years on end until they reach their goal, some never leave And as a carnivore myself I'm perfectly healthy for most of my adult life
_90% of the bodybuilders that watch this video are “strongly” considering other careers_ _Save a life? That’s an understatement, this man just saved tens of thousands of 1-aB bodybuilders in a single video with seemingly simple knowledge_ _But it’s not just the steroids though; there’s a lot of conspiracies floating around about Bruce Lee‘s death, but the truth is he died from intense workout, remember, he compressed 10 years of intense workout in one year_
@@mikesolns1364 good advice of course. I always wonder what the statistics are for the causes of the average heart failure patient is. One significant one is probably obesity
I am saddened to admit that I fell into this trap, where I assumed these were hyper healthy individuals. I did make the connection that steroid use had negative properties, but had seen so much on "healthy stack use" and the people in my gym promoting "gear" that I have been really tempted to utilize it. Seeing this once again has made me adjust my views on health and look more into what I can actually do to stay healthy versus what a magazine or those in the gym promote as healthy. Thank you again for amazing content and directed in a way that isn't patronizing or talking down to us, but rather trying to impart knowledge on us so we are aware of the risks and challenges associated with this type of lifestyle.
Good for you. Take a look at videos of hunter gatherers - they have very active, healthy lifestyles but don't usually have huge muscles - - makes me think that gym rats are doing something profoundly unnatural to their bodies.
Just do trt levels of test or slightly higher. 300 mg week and don't overdo it that's what I do I'm 240 lb visible ABS at 5 ft 11 I'm an absolute sexy beast no lie
I just dislike the negative aspects that leaked into the fitness world. Never in my life do I see so many people who are anal about counting their calories, working out a 2g difference in sugar or protein on one product vs another, even trying every fad diet known to man. It seriously does a disservice for people new to fitness or workout who have a modest goal that see many folks who use measures that are reserved for the extreme enthusiasts. To me being healthy doesn't involve having to maximize/optimize every variable to do so.
@v cam oh make no mistake, a shit diet does damage too. But hormone related drugs play a different type of detrimental role in people's lives in this regard.
My father was a pro running back and was and still is huge at 55 and is all natural so seeing that growing up showed me everything it’s possible with hard work!
If you work out hard and eat right you can get super jacked- you’ll look different than enhanced athletes, but I think the aesthetic is superior because it’s less freakish, more athletic
Very important topic!! Dr I have struggled with that word (Glumerulo - nephritis, sclerosis etc.) for 20 years and still can't get it in one try.. or two or three! Lol! I think it's the most difficult word in medicine Lol! Great video! You explain everything so that it is easy for the layperson to understand. One of the bodybuilders that died recently, I won't mention her name. I saw at her last competition (I train natural competitors). We stayed in the same hotel, I saw her leaving the hotel before her show and she could barely walk she was so dehydrated, her trainer had to help her out to the car. This muscular strong and impressive woman (IFBB Pro) could barely walk. I though to myself: "That's not good, the human body can only take so much!" I thought about it on the 5 hour drive home and for weeks afterwards. She died shortly after that. Eventhough dehydration was the reason she could barely walk... when combined with steroids, It's a ticking time bomb.
Doctor to patient: "After looking at your test results I can say for certain you have this [hands patient a note with excessively long words]. Yeah, I can't pronounce it either, but you have it and it's bad news."
What a great video Dr. Chris Raynor,I started bodybuilding back in the early 1980’s and I have never ever taken any steroids whatsoever but I’m also a martialartist so my type of weight training was more an endurance type of weight related training.I did compete on an amateur level I competed in 4 shows and I stopped after that,I even had the honour in meeting Dorian Yates in 1988 at the Wulfrun Bodybuilding show UK,he was the guest poser there.
This makes SO much sense now that it's explained. The heart is literally a muscle and using stero1ds, I guess you can't control which muscles you want to mainly target. It makes so much about the heart enlargement, attacks arrhythmia etc.
Back in the 70ies my parents used to tell me that many bodybuilders die young because of heart problems. So that's a long known thing. Arnold Schwarzenegger had to undergo several heart surgeries.
@@jeremypeterson7171 known? Arnold had heart surgery because of decades of steroid use, which as the video clearly states, causes heart issues among other organ problems.
Really well presented. You clarified the issues very well. Your lecture style is also very entertaining. It reminded me of my father who was a professor and pathologist. He would tell very entertaining, if not morbid, stories about avoidable death.
I really appreciate you covering this. As a guy I have seen so many gym goers who are in great health and shape feel completely inadequate because of the distorted images in the media
Super educational. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I'm very sure you are saving many lives in the process. Having abused steroids myself and been training for 30 years....I'm glad to be watching this video....as I was thinking of starting again.... after watching this video...no chance. There are more important things in life than the way you look. For me it's my family and baby girl....I want to see her grow up. Thank you 🙏❤️
I spent a good chunk of my 20s hanging around the bodybuilding community. Had two friends whose hearts literally exploded (one was in late 20s the other in late 40s) and knew of probably half a dozen friends-of-friends who did not compete, but did take steroids and did end up dying way too soon, sometimes from heart issues, some took their own lives, some from drug-related causes. Makes me really sad to think about it...
@@wattsinaname6975 probably a heart attack that had associated rupture of either the heart itself or maybe an artery? i did not ask for details.... but it was interesting that this was the language used by family members in both cases
Taking steroids if you’re not a competitive athlete or body builder is just not worth it. I rather live longer than making more gains that eventually goes away when you get off gear.
Outstanding outstanding video. As a personal trainer and wellness coach for the past 25+ years body building at the elite level is anything but healthy. Many body builders I have encountered (Los Angeles, Miami, Denver and Boston) tend to have body image issues, many times OCD, drug use and then zeroing in on only: 1. Hypertrophy phases & acute variables (while having very short muscular endurance, Strength and power phases if at all) 2. Type IIa muscle fibers (ignoring type 1 and IIb) 3. Glycolytic energy system (untill cutting) for pronged periods of times. Oxidative and ATP-CP systems are not challenged as much. 4. Fixed ROM open chained machine like leg press, extensions, lat pulldowns etc etc. 5. Obsessive amount of calories taken in during "bulking phases" then then obsessive caloric restriction before competition 6. Of the 8 bio motor abilities most body builders tend to hyper concentrate on Strength and ignore: balance, coordination, agility, flexibility, endurance, power and speed. Not all of course. But the majority I have encountered. Applied Functional exercise is not addressed for the most part.
I've been working out and strength training for over 30 years. For me it was more about functionality than just Aesthetics. Anyway now that I'm older I am definitely glad I never went that route because it doesn't seem worth it. Excellent video thanks!
This is the best video on this topic I have ever seen. Factual, truthful, clear , concise and entertaining all at the same time. Well done my friend!🎉🥳
I had a tenant who was just a little over 35 years old. He started using steroids to get bigger and more fit. About a year after, he suffered two mild heart attacks. Yeah he got slimmer quickly, stronger, and put on muscle but is it really worth it to almost die twice before 40?
As a former competitive bodybuilder seeing people some I knew personally puts the sport into perspective. We put our bodies thru hell and not just involving hormones. It’s stressful on the body. When I competed at College Nationals they had over 40s competing at the same show and I gentleman died a few floors above me at our hotel due to taking diuretics.
@@stephenwangondu3618 Bodybuilders train and they have a beauty contest. Other sports train with weights, diet, etc, then put on a uniform and go play their physical sport, against another person or team. Which is harder on the body?
@@krane15 you refuse to understand. A pro soccer player needs to be a sprinter, needs to have endurance and strength. None of these are to the absolute extreme. Therefore there's a balance and at the same time, he has to spend time training to actually kick a ball where he wants it to go. So no. Not all sports put the body through hell. Bodybuilding, marathon running and cycling are probably among the ones we could talk about.
Great video. I was a natural body builder for all of my 20s and most of my 30s and while I looked great all I really left the bodybuilding world with was permanent degeneration of most of my major joints. I have since switched to calisthenics and not only do I look better I also feel better and am actually stronger without being bulky.
@@johnthegametologist Yeah I think you would be hard-pressed to find any bodybuilder, natural or otherwise, who isn't suffering in their middle to late life because of their weight training all those years. I am not discouraging it. I reaped the rewards in my younger years, but i am paying the price now. As the older and wiser often say, i wish i knew then what i know now. Had i known i would have started calisthenics rather than body building.
While I was in the military, I wanted to become a bodybuilder. I was well on my way, until I realized that it wasn't really worth it. Being in the medical field I learned of the actual health risks, & how folks try to push P.E.D.s on you. I never really wanted arms so big that I couldn't even wipe my ass. 😂
my question are Bodybuilders even sustainable in Military Operations ? sure they are big and buff but they also need much food . i think they cannot sustain that in campaigns especially when the supplies run out
@@laisphinto6372 It all depends on which branch you're in & what your job is. The Air Force actually has guys who only compete in bodybuilding (which IDK at first, until I met a guy doing it, who tried to recruit me). The Marines really aren't that big, esp while in training. During deployment the Marines were surprising actually the skinniest guys in the gym. They were training in unarmed combat & knife-fighting. But military food is usually high-calorie, esp. the packaged MREs (Meal Ready to Eat).
@@laisphinto6372 the most no. And the pro's defently not.They cant run for 1 minute. Also in some branches its hard to keep the mass. I was always around 205 pounds and around 10% fat. This was good for doing my combat Jobs. If I was heavier it was harder to do the fysical training. When I was at a logistic unit I could be a bit heavier.
@@ivostarmans1199 seems correct since when supply lines are cut it really gets ugly and living off the land was mostly always a temporary solution that requires pillaging villages and even that is hardly sustainable with large armies
Thank you so much for this video! Hopefully people will understand how unhealthy this lifestyle is. Imagine all the damage their bodies get as professionals, don’t want to think regular Joes who has no idea or control of what they do and consume.
I have an acquaintance who’s a retired cop and has previously been the size of a gorilla. He pointed out that at his most muscular, he gassed out way too quick when grappling. He found there was an optimum point and it wasn’t at his biggest/most muscular
I've had a few of your vids pop up over the past week or so and decided I'll finally listen to one on the way home from the gym and I gotta say , very articulated and informative while also sticking some comedy in 10/10 . Definitely earned another sub your doing a great job !
🙏🙏🙏 I appreciate the love. I listen to a tonne of videos from other creators on my drive to and from work as well, so I am honoured that you would include me in your rotation Logan!
My dad was a lifelong bodybuilder from age 10 on. Never used PEDs, ate right and trained 3x a week. Kept his size up to age 72 when he passed away. So that was 62 years of exercise routine that kept his size and stregnth. He knew others at his gym that used compounds, and he outlived them staying natural and maintaining his size.
I totally agree with you. Bodybuilding, strength HIT and HIIT exercises are great when you do it naturally with no Steroids, PEDS muscle enhancing synthetic drugs.
72 is young to die and body building requires 6 times a week of training. I am far from a bodybuilder and go 4 times a week to the gym, dont eat sugar and never drink alcohol.
Wow, such a great explanation. becoming one of your biggest fans. Im exercise physiologist for 30 years, and this was one of the best tell alls on the steroid abuse world.
The executive summary of emergent cardiac issues: "heart attacK' is a plumbing problem, "cardiac arrest" is an electrical one. Also, if you just drop without warning, it's probably a cardiac arrest. Severe chest pain and sweating: heart attack. Ultimately though, it's an academic, semantic and trivial point for laypeople as the first aid for both are the same; CPR.
Wrong- CPR is only done when the casualty is unresponsive and not breathing. A casualty presenting heart attack does not require CPR if they are still breathing normally.
@@danielwhyte9172 If a cardiac arrest and heart attack are using the same intervention, then necessarily the heart attack has progressed past the responsive phase.
Great, I thought sweating was good. I sweat getting out of the shower for a half hour. I sweat really bad until my body calms down especially after doing any work. The other day I was arrested in court after going upstairs and down stairs and had a puddle of sweat on the floor but it quit when I got in the paddy wagon and went to jail. I figured it was stress. Not a heart problem.
I'm also shocked at how young some of these people are. I've seen two 17 year old teenagers at my gym who proudly admitted to me that they are on gear and that was terrifying to hear.
People who are so young they aren’t even out of puberty yet (Although they are definitely near the end), taking steroids, is one of the reasons why I almost want them to be banned from the media and heavily regulated everywhere else.
@@orppranator5230anabolic steroids is regulated af, sarms are a bit easier to find. Meth and fent is illegal af heavily regulated and completely everywhere. You can't legislate the world into paradise. We are humans
@@orppranator5230 it will just take it dipper underground and will do more harm then help. People should start to admit that they take roids how much what and what period. Should be more info for physiciens and medical community. More studies. More info. Stygmatysing it will bring more harm then help.
This Doctor just earned my subscription! Not only is he does he speak about the deleterious effects of bodybuilding and cardiovascular myopathy but he's apparently also an anime fan too!
Very clear information. I’m a 56 y old cardiac nurse from Belgium. I’ve always done a lot of sports and currently I am in top shape. When I go to the fitness, I spend 30% time on aerobic (running, rowing), 30% on core fitness and only 30% on weight training. Of course my progress has been slower than the young dudes who spend 100% of their time on weights and phone. What’s the point of having an athletic body if you can’t even run 5, let alone, 10 km. Dr. Raynor confirms that slow is often better and the goal of sports is maintaining a healthty lifestyle.
Goal of sports is maintaining a healthy lifestyle? I'm pretty sure the goal at least most of professional athletes is winning and the fame, money and sense of accomplishment that might come with it.
Dr. Raynor is so engaging, such a great speaker. Some of these heavy edits to “spice up” the video are just a distraction from his skilled presentation. I have ADHD and I get the challenge of keeping viewers watching, but honestly, he’s THAT good. I hope his editors will lighten up and just let him rip!
A BMI between 18 and 25, a calorie intake matched with your calorie burn, a diverse and quality diet, regular exercise, enough mental challenge and lastly... good genes and a healthy habitat to live in. Those are what's needed to live a long and healthy life.
Phenomenal video, like so many. Thank you! Can you do one of us at the other end of the obsession spectrum - marathoners and ultramarathoners! I think many of use would enjoy your take on the risks we run and how to moderate them. Appreciate you!
Superlative presentation, Dr. Raynor. Just listening to this and taking precautions can save lives. Actually, the best discussion on the subject I’ve heard so far.
I used to learn yoga from a guy many years ago, who was a former bodybuilder and he had won awards doing it. He said he stopped body building when some of his peers developed serious health problems and a couple died young. A yoga master from India taught him about balance when it comes to health, and how too much muscle throws the body out of balance and puts huge strain on it.
My primary care physician told me that it doesn't matter if it's fat or muscle, too much weight is a strain on the heart and kidneys. He didn't get specific as to why, but it seems like pretty good advice, all around. I've dropped 25 pounds, and everything is "working better", and I feel better. I don't "look" as good, but since I'm in my sixties... looks aren't the point anymore. Never took PEDs, so that wasn't part of it. I can only imagine it being a LOT worse if I would've.
@@brandonj6548 Yup, and the sad part is, these bodybuilders only get to borrow their physique for a while until it all falls off due to age. All that hard work for nothing or just a short period of time. Waste of time if you ask me.
I have been lifting 5 months, I am 60% stronger, weigh the same, but probably lost 8 kg of fat and gained 8kg of muscle. My resting heart rate has gone from about 66 bpm to about 50 bpm. When I was younger, 25 years ago, I put 90lb of muscle on and at that stage my resting heart rate was 60 bpm prior to 35 bpm afterwards. I am gaining muscle/losing fat now purely for heart health
@@brandonj6548 if those stat's are influenced by muscular people on the gear maybe. But if you are taking that into account, most skinny people are on amphetamines, so maybe not. Excluding drug users, those that are more muscular have stronger hearts, and their hearts don't have to beat as hard to move the blood around, leading to better blood pressure/heart rate
@@dopedrums I lifted, hate the term bodybuild due to so much drug use, in my 20's and got very muscular. Now I am 52, I have started again, easy to regain the muscle due to muscle memory. Taking it slow, it's a marathon not a sprint. If I can get big, strong, better mobility, better joints, fix injuries and balance by the time I am 80 I should be in a good place to maintain for the rest of my life. I only lost half the muscle I gained 25 years prior, so was in a good starting position, even though I didn't look after myself. People once they hit 50 plus should be doing some sort of lifting. I would rather say I strained my back deadlifting 500 and being fine 2 weeks later, rather than being like others my age saying I strained my back putting my pants on, and they never really recover
I’ll quote something from the internet I once saw and say “Some dudes really be out here damaging their health taking PEDs when they don’t even compete, they just want to be a swole waiter.”
I like how you use all the bodybuilding memes in this video! I’ve decided to be a bodybuilder (I’ve put on 14lbs so far) and it’s (awesome) people like you that make sure I’ll stay a natural.
People have been dying young from extreme body building long before this decade. You know what has changed in the last decade. More people are on insurance plans and there fore more records of their cause of death...
It's good to know that it wasn't from being "too fit" but from steroids instead. What I mean is, know your body's limits and listen to it. This is a great warning video.
Science on anti-aging is proving that mainly those that train for strength gains (without hypertrophy) and don’t eat so many meals and proteins a day, using intermittent fasting, live longer. You need to balance gains (slower ones) and life span.
depend on what you call "fit". besides steroids, the muscle mass itself, the weight itself, the huge weights ans nervous system stimulation, the huge amounts of food, especially protein are all extremely unhealthy in of itself.
@@alalexesc the exercise that makes you live longer has nothing to do with body building tough. Also: living longer isn't necessarily better. Its more about quality of life and your fitness has a minor effect on that department compared to other factors.
This is high quality programming. So refreshing to see good, intelligent, informative commentary. I'll subscribe, and continue to watch for upcoming videos. Thanks Doc!
My youngest son is seriously into body building. He is a full time coach and also competes in Classic Physique. I really worry about what he is doing to his body. He is 24 and way smarter than his 55 year old dad. Just ask him.
Maybe send him the Video and just try to convince him, that he is at least aware of what he is doing. As a son myself, though, I know we are always smarter than our old parents...
Maybe turn him on to Lex Lugar and Lyle Alzado and tell him this could very well be him later in life. The drugs aren't worth it if he's taking drugs. I worry for young people like your son because they "know what they're doing" when obviously they don't or they wouldn't be doing it. This vid here might be good for him to watch. Very informative. Be well my friend.
He should already know the risks, it comes down to if he cares. I did not start peds until my early 30s. The best thing you can do is emphasize the importance of regular bloodwork.
Love the editing on this video. You forgot to mention the effects on hair loss. Whoever edited your video was amazing. Laughed a bit, while taking it serious. During my undergrad, I volunteered at Hospice for 3-4 years. My mother who is a cardiac nurse will always contest to this. Most of the young patients I had every week dying were usually due to drug OD or frequent continuation of steroid use. Try telling bodybuilders this when they are hard into their lifestyle. I've even had some tell me to find a Peer Review, and they will find some to counter it. I don't know a power lifter past 50 who has not had a heart surgery(if they are lucky to be alive). Anaerobic exercises(those without oxygen) have always scared me. Especially when you are doing heavy weight. As you mentioned, the elasticity on the ventricles and the muscle mass that is on the heart, it becomes a catch 21. Should you ever stop working out, you are doing yourself a disservice. Weakening of that monster you created, with your ventricles becoming flat is a pretty serious cocktail to balance. I was preparing a cadaver for the Biology students in lab, and almost shocked myself with a live pace maker. Those puppies don't die when the individual dies. I know some older men who got into the game in their 50's and suffered immensely and their SA node no longer worked. They had to have a pace maker and I asked them their story. It was sad to see someone idolize a bonehead in their gym that was half their age and end up almost dying because of it. I wish individuals were happy with themselves and any progress they made. We live in a society now where us men think we have to be these super hero's... or we are not worthy. When I owned my own studio, I never once allowed myself to treat fitness in that manner. I always practiced a strong relationship with being healthy and mindful of the effects that can happen with misuse of the 99% of false realities our society has advertised. Granted the genetics I was fortunate to have, I know my training was always a surprise with my clients; even losing some because it was not geared towards that lifestyle. A lot of the time, people simply did not understand and only see what they allow themselves to see.
Thank you for talking about this… someone i love very much has gone down this road and I’m terrified for him. His “trainer” has him on 1,736 calories for 6’ height and sketchy online supplements. He can barely stay awake (or sleeps for 20 hours at a time) is in pain all the time, can barely stand from sitting, ... He’ll refuse to eat for up to over 24 hours if he’s in an airport or away from his macro foods like raw cauliflower. No one can say anything or he’ll get furious and hide it more. I don’t know what to do.
1700 calories is weight loss territory for a healthy adult male. It's technically in the safe calorie range for losing weight, but you're certainly not going to be packing on more muscle with a diet like that. I'm guessing that he's started the on-season phase? (the cutting portion of bulk-and-cut)
@@HVolnWhatnow He needs to change his diet then. Even professional guys like Scott Herman and Jeff Cavaliere (who focus on lean gains rather than bulk and cut) consume *way* more calories than that. Me, I was able to maintain 6% body fat at nearly 200 pounds (6'-2") for quite a long time, never bulk and cut, and I was eating about 3000-3500 calories per day of healthy foods. All he's doing by reducing his calorie intake that far is reducing his body's ability to repair itself.
So exactly when does this person train? If they sleep 20 hours at a time, are in constant pain and can't even stand up, where is the training squeezed in? And how? They train laying in bed? How do they sleep in all that pain? Only awake 4 hours per day? What kind of contest is this person prepping for? A long space journey contest? This sounds a tad bit exaggerated...
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If you disagree with anything that I have said in this video, let me know why and direct me to a research article that supports your position. 👍
I wonder how many people are going to argue with you. You didn't say anything controversial.
I have been following Ronnie Coleman's journey and he is a prime example of what the professional bodybuilder has to live with when retired. Not talking about those who passed away due to the extreme sport...
@@willransier I saw Ronnie in Ohio before he had his surgeries. He was struggling to walk, he looked in pain. I felt so bad for him. I think he is the nicest most respectful bodybuilders of all time. I'm glad he is still around to be a husband and raise his children... but he put his body through hell!
You are right on point. I've been involved in bodybuilding for over 25 years. This was really well done. I just talked to a great kid i'm training this morning about steroids. He said his friends might start taking them so i spent a long time explaining to him why he should never try them. I'm going to send him this video! Thank you for making it.
@@terrystokes2948 "His friends" lol
Finally someone addressing the fact this type of body building is just the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to being unhealthy. Everyone knows being 600lbs and morbidly obese is bad for you, but some how no one talks about these guys dying from the same causes. Heart failure and stroke. Thank you
Sadly there's a lot of people trying to convince themselves that being 600lbs and morbidly obese isn't bad for you these days.
Right. The human body has limits and alot of body builders push their body well beyond what it can take long term.
But is it because they’re “too fit” or because of steroids or other performance supplements? I’m guessing the latter is a very common cause of death.
@@alexblaze8878 even if steroids arent helping, the sheer weight puts a massive stress on the cardiovascular system. Its just not that good to be too heavy
@@sigmamale4147 Its definitly because of the PEDs. They are using so much of them the at the same time in such high doses. Not just steroids.
My friend just died this weekend from a stroke. She was an body builder whom had won competitions had been in it for about 13 years or so. Thank you for this show.
Sorry to hear about your loss.
Well let me guess why, many people and athletes are dying suddenly and more than usual according to life insurance pay outs that are up over15% form previous years. Gee I wonder what is different in the last couple years.
@@safffff1000 my guy if I lost a friend this is the last thing I’d want to hear. Should’ve just said your condolences and left it at that
It was the vax, not the bodybuilding
I'm so sorry for your loss man, that really sucks.
I'm a ex bodybuilder from the Dorian Yates Era. I avoided extremes like drugs and thoroughly enjoyed the sport and lived to tell you about it. Today's extremes are much more extreme than ever before. Winning is glorious but not worth dying for.
@@k_theindividual3823 You neither lol
@Jason Voorhees
I won respect from everyone especially the personal trainers. You get respect for being a doer.
@@k_theindividual3823
I don't want to be like them,
Disabled or dead at middle age. Life is too short
@Jason Voorhees I think living past 40 is a pretty big win
@jasonvoorhees5640 what did you expect? he said he "avoided extremes like drugs". avoiding drugs as a bodybuilder, that's like avoiding shoes as a soccer player or clubs as a golfer. lmao
At 64 and after 24 years of training and taking AAS I suffered and luckily survived a heart attack two weeks ago. This is a brilliant and informative video. Listen up everyone!
Wishing you the best 🙏🏼
@geoopa Is it even possible to get muscles without androgenic anabolic steroids? I'm 34, used to go to the GYM many years ago just for cardio and some easy exercises.
@@maksimnaumov2227 Ys of course it is definitely possible, just follow the 3 important ingredients, Train Hard, Eat well & often, then sleep and repeat! Give it time and you will end up a lot healthier. Just be consistent.
@@geoopa appreciated, sir. Will definately follow it. Stay strong and get healthy, we only live once.
@@maksimnaumov2227 Yeah but you're not gonna get huge... You can train hard eat perfect and hit a wall in your genetic frame. These bodybuilders are all on gear it gives a false image of what muscle looks like on humans. We arnt even supposed to have lots of muscle it's basically just extra weight your heart has to carry.
Interesting information. I'm definitely not a bodybuilder but I go to the gym work out eat healthy. Had my physical and I'm 65 and they thought I was 45. I'm 6'1 weighing 188 lb. And I'm happy. And I take no drugs. Thank God for everything.
Have you seen ernestine shepherd?
Shes a body builder in her 80s.
All natural
@@kathleenking47 She a beast for sure
Same here i will never use anything to look good, that stuff takes years off your life.
@@pastoryoda2789 Fuck yeah it does .
Being ripped is healthy but bodybuilders are unnatural and take steroids that's the reason that they're dying, be honest do u really think mr.olympia is 100 percent natural?
I started working out again in 2019 under a fellow built like Michaelangelo's statue 'David'. Not huge like the guys at the top of pro bodybuilding, but perfectly proportioned and ripped. Following his instruction, I lost 12 lbs of fat and gained 6 lbs of lean body mass. No drugs, no weird diets, just vigorous and varied strength and cardio, and lay off the sweets. I am NOT built like David, but I am in pretty good health for 70.
Keep pushing
Fitness is about health bodybuilding is a different kind of game and is nothing about health is about getting big for the sake of the audience.
You know about "Dr. Daniel Gelfman noticed that the "David" showed signs of heart disease."
great work bud, it aint over till its over
Can we see what you look like?
These videos should be used in high school health class and I wish I had a doc like you for some of my injuries!
This man is an example that science (medical education in that case) isn't boring, most teachers just teacning it wrong
Hard science is boring and that is fine. A fun presentation like this presenting science to the general public is not the same as a hard science class or research.
Because sometime we must find out the teacher by ourselves
No. It's that you're not interested in what they're teaching. You're interested in what HE IS TEACHING CURRENTLY. It's not the Teacher's fault if you don't care about the water cycle or atoms. lol
Some teacher's might be awful, I understand...but...they're only half the problem there. You're still responsible for caring or not caring.
That can be applied to almost any field tbh. Music and programming was it for me... if i had competent guidance when i was younger who knows where i would be now... thanks to youtube i learnt a lot and it was actually fun to do so.
In this case. U r watching, what u unwanted. That why u click on play button.
So obviously it will be more interesting for u. But that doesn't happen in school or colleges.
Otherwise he is teaching like normal teachers.
Champion bodybuilder and powerlifter from the 80's here. Did grad level biochemical research and was a manager in pharma manufacturing. I was 235 and relatively hard at 19 years old. Thank God I stopped while still young. I was already experiencing substantial joint pain in my early 20's. I worked with a a PhD biochemist who did extensive monitoring, beyond simple bloodwork. When I won my big show I was utterly shredded, and what happened inside my body after that show was utterly scary. I looked myself in the mirror and said "Where are you going with this, big boy?" Bodybuilders today do not train harder, eat better, have easier lifestyles conducive to getting huge, etc. If anything, it is more difficult today due to economics and increased distractions in life. We have not evolved THAT much in 40 years from a genetic standpoint. I am blown away by what I see today. It's not simply the mass. The "different" look of elite level bodybuilders is all about extreme practices. People kid themselves, not realizing the long-term damage they are doing, both mentally and physically. I don't judge people for using PED's. Unfortunately, many people who use them have addictive personalities and not able to control their use and better than an alcoholic controls their drinking. These extreme practices are signs of mental health issues. It is addiction, plain and simple. Addiction is not simply a physical issue. I never would have believed that if you told me 35 years. It's true.
I think your generalizing the sport a little too much but I'm not picking on you or trying to be a jerk. I am a great body builder because I managed to win a state show ahead of over 60 guys that were using drugs and I never did and I did it straightly with education and hard work. I did many things that you that almost every person in the body building I knew said it was impossible to do it the way I did. These guys didn't even make it to 10th place! When I won I really started getting accused of taking steroids and it made me extremely angry. I mean I was only 183 lb at 5:11 at about 4.7% body fat! I was more educated in this subject and how the body worked that anybody I ran into down there and it wasn't even close. After that I started using peds and I never competed again because they were just too easy and a competition is not a competition when it depends on just how many drugs you can use for how long. I am almost 50 years old I have no problems I lifted heavy hard weights and still do. I don't know anybody but like these guys though that take the precautions that I did. I used to think when I was younger that I was far inferior to these guys genetically. I couldn't have been more wrong. When I first took peds I took a quarter of what my friends were doing. I could not believe how well they worked I put on 65 lb of muscle in 2 years. Another thing they said I could not do. The problem I ran into is I was never meant to be that big and the heavyweights I was using were addictive to say the least but once I was able to compensate with a little trial and error and some of the technology caught up as far as how to do it I can still do everything I did at my age now and I've never had any side effects from peds of any kind!! I've had over 40 friends die 2 years because they did not listen to me when I was trying to help them. Anyway not all bodybuilders and nowadays are lazy with no work ethic and just rely on the drugs. I quit working on competitions because the drugs just didn't make it a competition anymore it was way way too easy and wasn't worth the risks! Bodybuilders now though I'm more educated and far more hardworking than some of the older ones because you have to make the money they do and still be able to know how to use the drugs they take! I don't agree that the older bodybuilders were better than the new ones and it's not even close! One of the biggest reasons the old bodybuilders did not do so well as a new one is because they just weren't smart enough to get the same gains and have access to some of the newer drugs. They didn't know how to train or use the drugs properly and they couldn't gain the same amount of muscle. These drugs are like anything else you have a biochemical individual response or a tolerance and the way you use them is potion or poison! The lack of education and how these really work and the body responds is the problem not these people don't work hard at it! I knew better than to believe any of that stupid bro science. I went by my education and scientific method and it worked all the way to the first place state level! I still make my living completely from bodybuilding and dietetics trying to help people not make the same mistakes all these guys are. When most people find out they're dying these things they would want to stop it bodybuilders don't want to put the drugs down and I have not been able to save 10% of the people that I tried to because they just don't listen!!
@@BJETNT I never stated or meant to imply older bodybuilders are any better. I am sure many high-level bodybuilders today work just as hard as their counterparts of yesterday and I would never say they are lazy, PED's or not. But I also would not say they are any harder working than some of the bodybuilders of 30+ years ago. And it terms of knowledge, ALL we have today in terms of "how to use the drugs" is more anecdotal knowledge. If I'm wrong, please point me to the published studies telling us how to "use these drugs properly" for bodybuilding. You may not have had any noticeable side effects, but none of us have any way of knowing what is taking place at a cellular level and what long-term damage we might be doing. If pro bodybuilders today were really in control of what they were doing, I find it hard to believe they would choose to have the bloated, thick waists exhibited by so many today. It's a big experiment, and anyone who says otherwise is full of it. I made pharmaceuticals for one of the world's largest pharma companies, yet would still describe my knowledge as "limited."
Some people simply have better genetics when it comes to organ health like your heart. How is Mike O hearn who is massive and strong and lean in his 50's still incredibly healthy? Jay Cutler? Arnold.....Flex Wheeler, the list goes on. So many bodybuilders, extreme body builders are still living to this day. How are there alcoholics that can make it into their 50s and 60s before they ever have a heart attack when they are sucking down at least 12+ beers EVERY single day? A lot of it is your physical health and how you eat, but genetics makes a difference to. There are chain smokers that lived to be in their 80s and 90s. Life isn't fair.
@@wombat5252 I agree there are outliers. Had more than one in my own family. But they were not as healthy as one would guess by looking at them. The bottom line is that these folks playing around with PED's are experimenting. It's their body and their choice. The danger is when people believe they are "doing it safely." There is no "safe" way.
@@JohnSmith-ig1rr I was hardcore into bodybuilding in my younger days. Never touched any PED's and I was really heavy and managed to get as low as 8% body fat. Even if you're natural, it is NOT healthy. Lol. My hormones were all out of whack when I peaked and it didn't feel good. Low libido, bad sleeping patterns, I lost a bit of my positivity and energy if you will... Definitely not healthy being that jacked and lean, natty or not. Eating 4500-5000 calories a day was just F'n ridiculous anyways (around 1900-2400 when I went to cut that low). It's just like being 600lb to an extent. Too much on the heart. TRT medically moderated for men losing their natural testosterone production can be a good thing but you need to be careful on even that.
I was 33 when I had my heart attack from using steroids ...that was 2002..I went form 192 Lbs to 296 Lbs in 5 years...I tell my story on my channel..But you live in the moment until you have issues and life goes down hill quickly! After 15 years of seeing my cardiologist in Mass General Hospital(Boston) I was finally able to get off medication and now I do echocardiograms and stress tests every few years or if I feel like something is wrong..One of the many things in life I regret doing ..but Im still alive and was lucky I went to the hospital when I did and not ignoring the symptoms ...RIP to all those who fell victim of steroids ..
I appreciate your honesty. Glad to see that you are on track now. So many people want to blame it on the COVID vaccine, and they don't can't bring themselves to believe that it is the steroids.
Juicer
Thanks for your story
I'm glad that you survived man, and could share with us your experience.
@@dimarchisio if you click on my name, it brings you to my channel..Its my 2 video after starting my channel..Or just click to my playlist..thanks for the comment
This kind of information from a specialist doctor has been long overdue. Glad that finally we have a medical professional talking about it now with factuality and accuracy. Thank you Doc!
Lol you don't know where to look for information then
There's no actual studies on steroids on humans
We had a guy who was a body builder show up to his first day on my old wildland firefighting crew a few years ago. He didn’t make it past our first PT hike. We almost had to carry him down the hill because he was so worn out. I’ve been saying this for years. Big muscles do not necessarily equate to a high fitness level. Thanks for another informative video doc.
We have similar experiences.
My little brother talks about how these cycles give him endurance and all that and I just laugh knowing that he can't come out to the property with me and hang all day falling trees, bucking them down, splitting and stacking it. He always tells me I'd be a beast if I did a few cycles and I laugh at him and tell him that I am a beast and though he might look bigger he still has a lot of catching up to do. I've said for years now give me 80 degrees and 80% relative humidity out at the property and I will find out what kind of man you are within just a few hours. The property is a tree farm in the Appalachians in PA where I have a forester come in to outline the management to protect the projected harvests that I execute mostly by myself with occasional help from friends. It is dangerous and hard work.
I worked a job years back building retaining walls and a bodybuilder guy walked on this particularly large job just to help out as he was a friend of my boss. He started talking all kinds of noise about how it looked like he was going to have to carry the majority of the block because he was the only "big guy" and my boss pointed at me and said "watch out for this guy" to which I laughed because I knew I was going to show him up. I don't think it was a full two hours later and he was gassed while I'm lapping him and still carrying two Keystone blocks at a time (roughly 82#/each). At one point before lunch the boss got back with some stuff he got from this bakery he would always go to so we all had 15 or 20 minutes to catch some shade and grab a few calories. Now my boss and this man used to box together then powerlifted for a while before this guy went into bodybuilding. This big man points at my average self and asks where he found me at because I must be some kind of freak and my boss said something like "Oh, he was a wrestler. I think he likes torture" and basically left it at that.
Anyway, I agree with you. Just felt like sharing since I have time to burn.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 bodybuilders aren't power lifters, two different disciplines.
@@Super_Rockie_Rukawa_Kun really? I never would have known to distinguish between the two had it not been for your help and clairvoyance.
Bodybuilder Muscle is trash. Its bulky and has zero endurance. I used to do a ton of swimming for exercise, my muscle was hard, super compact and I more than once wrested a gym abuser...All I had to do was hold them for a few seconds and then overmatch them with my raw endurance in an arm wrestle. I was stronger...I had brutal levels of endurance..because my muscle was smaller and more compact and was trained for endurance.
@@Super_Rockie_Rukawa_Kun Neither of those disciplines grant a man the endurance to put up massive walls of text in TH-cam comment replies tho, give up now.
All I know, when I was 24-28; I was a competitive powerlifter and being young and stupid, I realized the bigger and heavier I got, the stronger I was...The year I won the Nats, I took my weight to 310 and dieted back to 262 for comp...I developed heavy sleep apenea, and it got worse and worse even though I was back down to 262...my wife, on numerous occasions, had to wake me up by smacking me or shaking me because I was no breathing. I came back down to 210, and it cleared up on its own for the past 20 years. Crazy to think, but at the time, I didnt think it was serious.
Ooh man 🫡😮
no SIr you were in fact a SERIOUS MEATHEAD lol
jk jk but Yeah I did some dumb stuff too
@@barneythedog977 I would totally agree with your statement. Older and Wiser.
Nothing seems serious when you are 24-28 years old. I’m kind of certain I was bulletproof back then lol but now I can’t even make it through the day without a nap
@@craiglawson663 Glad you saw the humor.
My college American History professor was a bodybuilder. That is, he was until he lifted too much weight on a deadlift and destroyed the blood vessel integrity of his eyes. He’s now completely blind. But he told us that was decades ago and he’s adapted to it well.
@Zero Clutter Art and Design did he stutter?
Damn. I didn't know that could happen.
Holy shit I had no idea that could happen
@@jamesstreet228 when you lift things that are really2 heavy, dont force close your eyes. My personal training always warn me this.
I don't deadlift cause capillaries burst in my face eyes so don't even do it and I don't regret it
My grandpa competed 1957-1961 and got 3rd 1958 mr sweden. He stopped competing "when the hormones came", hes born in 1932 and still works out 4 times a week. He had the national record in deadlift -75kg, 1958 250kg @ 70kg, and 270kg in 1961 @ 74kg. He always talk about training and bodybuilding as a fitness and health sport, when it was that. He knew in the 50s that hormones was NOT healthy. Dunno why ppl today dont get it.
Gearless and with the science of the time? Impressive
@@Bandit-u3u Yes, he said that he trained 5 different movements, and deadlift (one of the movements) 1-2 times/month.
People dont seem to understand the heart is designed to move up to a certain amount of "meat"
It doesent matter if its 300 pounds of fat or 300 pounds of muscle, hearts under the same strain either way
@@budadi I do deadlift once every 2 weeks. Makes my gains and strength go up better.
Bodybuilders and enthusiasts genuinely interested in the sport are well aware of it being extremely unhealthy. However, these are high performance athletes. They aren't supposed to be healthy.
Bodybuilding is art. It's about finding out what glory the human body really is capable of. If I had no doubts whatsoever about exceeding the likes of Ronnie Coleman or other legends of the sport, I would immediately start my first cycle.
I am presently in RN school and I swear the way Dr.Raynor explained many cardiovascular disorders which was in my 3 hour lecture today 10/17/2022.
I wish he taught RN school because I understood he explanations so well he made it EASY to understand.
🙂
Shoot even for someone like me who has no connection to the medical field outside of just pure fascination with how our bodies work and function, it was easy for me to understand what he was talking about :P Honestly makes me wanna be a RN more, but I don't know if I'd survive med school after the horror stories I've heard about it lol.
He's a super good teacher. I don't even know why I clicked on this video but I finished it feeling well informed and wanting to know more. Which is wild because I generally just watch funny animal videos.
Another great topic is Dehydration which is what kills bodybuilder directly Before, During or directly After a competition. Attempting to rid the body of all excess water to look as 'cut' as possible, resulting in electrolyte imbalances. I'm getting young guys, some as young 18 or 19, asking me about diuretics like Lasix to use before a show! I told the one kid: "Are you crazy, I use to give that to people who were dying!" (I use to be a Paramedic). Getting as lean as possible is the goal of bodybuilding. I love the sport but as long as that's the ultimate goal (along with large muscles), i don't see any decrease in the number of deaths. It's not an easy problem to figure out!
Glad to see making sure to drink plenty of water, or hydration, while in this case, dehydration, mentioned so quickly and rated so highly.
the worst part is terry, you don't even need diuretics to get that cut look!, a bodybuilder antoine valiant had two shows with only a couple days difference, one where he used (the first show he got second place) and the second show where he did not and won, and it was night and day difference!, truly sad.
@@Tsunamiieh EXACTLY!!!
@@Tsunamiieh I can’t remember who exactly, the name mike mentzer comes to mind(been many years since reading about it) suggested to everyone at the time that a reduction in all macros including protein rather than trying to cut water and carbohydrates especially would lead to a slightly less amount of muscle, but a far better look on stage. One of the few who had beaten Arnold during his prime. Not at the Olympia but at a smaller show during the time he was winning all of them. I know this was before as much of the harsh diuretics and such, but it was very interesting because he was correct. Slightly less massive, but not weird looking and dry as can be. I think it’s easy to forget when aiming to be so cut and how much effort is put into bodybuilding that our muscle volume is made in large part of water. I know it’s just bro science without study, but in my mind there must also be a negative effect on the look. as you mention in your example of him winning the second show whilst not being crazy dehydrated. As a grown adult I’m so glad I never had the drive to get on stage because I think I would’ve gotten hooked on it and gotten into using diuretics. I was born with a congenital cardiac issue that’s not a day to day problem but may eventually need to be fixed, and often things like I have go completely undiagnosed until an event or older age. I bet based on the statistics that a lot of bodybuilders happen to have undiagnosed congenital cardiac defects. Just based on the numbers alone there must be, it’s relatively common.
@@mrjjman2010 yeah imagine how many people go undiagnosed their entire life with heart or other things in body, bodybuilders are in this pool too, just because you're working out in a gym your body looks healthy on the outside, doesn't mean you suddenly escape the pool of people with undiagnosed diseases. Speaking on diuretics, it may also give you a flat look on the stage, idk, i feel like diuretics are misused most of the time.
I love working out but I have never had any desire to take any type of steroids or to feel like I'm really "huge" physically and I'm thankful for that...and especially after watching this and getting this type of info. Our bodies weren't made for steroid use.
Sorry im not into big muscly men 😔
Yer name? haha, I was doing that today actually haha weird .......
@@matimus100 From what I've seen, most women don't. Fit men who are normal size but with muscle definition seem to be most popular. But gigantic hulks are just not seen as attractive.
@@jonothandoeser yea ironically despite the myth of "more muscle amount means more attractive", i have seen more overweight or simply casual skinny men being in a nice relationship than "gigantic hulks"
@@jonothandoeser thats true! I don’t know any woman that has ever said they are into bodybuilders. Like literally nobody. I think Greek Gods type of body is the one which is the best shape and seen as attractive about men.
Best I’ve heard on this topic, amazingly accurate. I’ve been training since I was 17 , I’m 77 now . Tried a few cycles in my 30’s and again in my 50’s . Just dbol initially and then anavar in my 50’s . Just mild doses for no more then 3 months at a time . The problem is it can be so addicting because of the strength gains . After years of training naturally I went from reps with 300 to reps with over 525 and felt like nothing, deadlifts improved 100% , could leg press 1125 with backboard all the way back to lockout for 15. So would think that’s great , I’m going to hop on board, please don’t. I’ve got osteoarthritis in every joint, had both knees replaced, ankles are shot , afib caused by years of high blood pressure, also holding your breath while pushing, the afib is not electrical it’s weak heart valves . The good thing is I stopped that garbage before I killed my self. I still train and hike and have my BP in control . I wish I’d never started that crap 🤔
Your heart has to pump harder for 50 more lbs, doesn’t matter if it’s muscle or adipose tissue 🤷♂️ non-natural powerlifter/nurse here and I agree with everything you said. Too much of anything is bad. Being 300 lbs is unhealthy regardless of your bodyfat percentage.
I totally agree. I grew up with the concept of doing anything with moderation that is otherwise healthy for you. During the short amount of time I worked as a cardiothoracic surgery inpatient nurse, I was surprised how physically sick bodybuilders could become as a result of excess habits or doing things like Synthol that badly hurt them. The fact that this video is being spammed with ads for quack testosterone // muscle boosting treatments makes me quite angry.
I learned . Something. Thank you
Ofcourse the hard has to Pump harder but i dont think that that is main reason. Having 300lbs is maby i know people who are just slightly lighter but can do sports involviert running with no problem. It is unhealthy for sure but not that you die so early.
That is true. I've been carrying a lot of weight for decades for all sorts of reasons (largely stress eating due to general anxiety disorder) and weirdly I actually have pretty solid cardiac function and low blood pressure, go figure.
@@lexi9956 More than *just* weight plays into heart and blood pressure stuff. Things like diet, exercise habits, and genetics - genetic predisposition can actually play a massive role in how much and how well the body can tolerate. Also, youth is generally more tolerant.
I would encourage everyone to be sure to incorporate a decent amount of cardio into your regimen. Not only will it make you healthier, it generally gives you a more natural and aesthetic physique anyway.
I agree 100%, it blows my mind when I hear "experts" telling people not to do cardio.
Good points but do professional bodybuilders do cardio? Ever?
@@truewilliams7118 some may but usually bodybuilders hate any type of cardio, because supposedly prevents them from gaining muscle mass.
I think cardio and weights, both, must be done to achieve good health.
@@truewilliams7118 they generally do moderate amount of LISS to help with cutting. A side benefit is that it helps increase work capacity in the weight room
Lifting makes you strong, cardio makes you fit.
This was excellent, perhaps the best explanation of the dangers of PED abuse in the bodybuilding world I've ever seen and on top of that the editing and the humor was just perfect. You sir are an amazing communicator!
I will never grow tired of listening to your brilliance. If every doctor knew as much as you, and their patients listened, this world would be way overpopulated.
you mean the world would be more prosperous.
I was into weightlifting for a few years and some of my friends that were using steroids had a unhealthy appearance. They looked like they were sick. One of my good friends who did win state bodybuilding competition, died from a heart attack at 30 years old. He was a great friend!
I'm so sorry you lost a good friend at such a young age.
I'm sorry for your loss
It's the v shotssss
Sorry
Just like any addiction. Too much of a good thing can be deadly.
I'm not a bodybuilder and came across your channel by accident. This is the first time I heard about the concept of "Optimal physical condition." This is very informative and helpful. Thank you so much.
because there is no "Optimal physical condition". There are just general directions for people to take and consider. And it depends on gender, age, body type, your type of work, etc.
@@dmitrizaslavski8480 u r ryt
Same
@dmitrizaslavski8480 well, in that case "optimal physical condition" for your body specifically. Where workout, diet, profession and medical assistance is balanced around your characteristics ,medical conditions, and other limits.
@@marks7484 It's really luck of the draw for heart health and other organ health. How is Arnold still living a healthy life at his age? How is Jay Cutler and Flex Wheeler and Dorian Yates? Mike O hearn is in his 50's and absolutely massive and strong. Still healthy. Some people croak early which could be due to excessive steroids but in the end, it's sort of luck of the draw. Diet only goes so far.
I agree with this video, when I was younger I thought bodybuilding was the way, now that I'm 45, I think mobility is the key.
I still use weights, but I do more calisthenics, pullups, pushups, light weight high reps, I do alot of hanging, I look better now than when I was in my 30s.
Im never tired!! I eat less, when I feel like getting lean, I dont lose any strength.
I only started in the gym in late 40's but with a heavy bias to longevity , so lifting heavy weights as a focus would mean sacrificing cardio and mobility so for example being able to do a pistol squat or a nordic curl would be more important than an extra 30 or 40 kg on a bar
What's your weekly workout routine to balance everything out
Same here!
That's what I do.. I ditched the "weight" chasing and went for functional strength, and cardio. I could never bench heavy and kept plateauing so i decided to do more pull up, push ups, trx pulls, farmers carries and shit like that
@@lmc4964 Great info. I still lift fairly heavy to heavy but I always get my cardio in through running, jump rope and boxing. I also always incorporate push-ups, pull-ups, air squats, core and mobility movement and massages and stretching.
Young weightlifter, here. Im new into the world of fitness. Ive lost 60 pounds, and im stronger and better looking than ive ever been. This was my goal. And its the goal i want to continue to strive for. Worrying about my health, my strength/fitness, and trying to look good.
It was never about being absolutely jacked and massive because early on in my life, i learned about a lot of the shit in this video the hard way. My dad wasnt necessarily a bodybuilder, but he might as well have been one because when i was a kid...boy was he fuckin huge. Strongest dude I'd ever seen until meeting actual competitive powerlifters. Shocker, I'm sure, but Pops was on a ton of gear. Flash forward to now, he has heart problems,(runs in the family, but still), a few herniated disks, entirely destroyed rotator cuffs bone to bone in both shoulders, hip issues, bladder and prostate cancer, and troubling mental health issues due to years of the hormonal fluctuations. That's the one nobody warns you about. Even now at 50, he has a demonic temper worse than that of a tren fiend in his 20s. Not to mention that years of gear destroys natural test production so now hes on TRT. He still looks better than 80% people even at his age even with all these health issues.
I've watched my old man absolutely destroy his body and basically his life for some Sick Gainz. And the sad part? My exposure to all this made me think it was normal, and I'm still comparing myself to him subconsciously, knowing that it's absolutely stupid to do so as a natty. It's really hard to beat the false expectations that PEDs press on you.
@@TERMINXX101 just a heads up, as a woman, I find men who are functionally fit far more attractive than the ripped, swole look. Most of my female friends feel the same. IMHO this is a man vs man ideology. It doesn't make a man more masculine to look like that. It just makes him bigger, which is not always better. I've met some freakishly strong, lean men. Plus, lean men have more stamina.
It is so nice to see a man of your age who understands meme culture. On top of being a doctor.
Insert: Someone mature
Well, chiropractor.
@@daveyboy_ He does that instead of normal medicine?
@@abrvalg321 A chiropractor is NOT an MD. therefore did not go to school to become an MD. Now I am not saying that this guy is not learned nor am I saying that he doesn't know wtf he's talking about . Quite the contrary but the fact remains ....
@@daveyboy_ Redundant.
I have a high school buddy going through kidney damage right now. He's 51 and he's on a dialysis machine several times a week. He's was extremely large and muscular but it doesn't seem worth it to me. He's losing a lot of weight now and I'm hoping the best for him.
Was he juicing for a long time?
Early Charles atlas men, basically kept stomachs flat, but developed arms and shoulders
Not looking like a KNOT😖
Please tell us whether he is currently or was earlier using steroids in any form and is he muscular and lean or is he carrying a lot of fat along with muscles as well which made him look extremely large?
@@tomomasta3254 Its not the time. Its the dose. Alongside everything else they do. I know because I did for 20 years.
Honestly I don't know how long he used steroids. We both graduated high school in 1990 and at that time he was about 5'8 150lbs. I lost contact with him for about 20 years but when we caught back up on Facebook he was 230 lbs and built like a professional body builder. Obviously he was juicing for some time.
A doctor I worked with did a research study about bodily builders. She focused specifically on body image. She came to the conclusion that body building had an issue with body image that was very similar to that of anorexia. While realising that most builders were psychologically health and were just enjoying a gym experience, many stepped over the line. She oserved, that there was a small but significant number of builders had body dysphoria even before they began building. These were the people, she believed pushed too hard and were more likely to take enhancement drugs. She believed that men took this route, while (usually) young women chose starvation. Her conclusion was that just like women, men get dangerous media images that can lead the vunerable into danger and as pointed out I this video increasing pressure to conform to a standard triggeres the danger in less vunerable people as they begin to perceive their physique as not upto an unattainable image.
This is not new at all. Body dysmorphia has been the driving factor in body building for decades. Catch up guy
@@garyp6395 It sure has a lot of similarities to anarexia. You want to change your body to be a perceived ideal shape. You control your eating to the point eating becomes punishing. You stress your body to its limits. You will take steroids (anorexic people take laxatives). You are prepared to work hard enough to damage your heart and cause blood vessels to crack. Just like someone with anarexia, you will work out and have a steel determination to push and push the boundary. In the same way as people with anarexia there is a componet of self determination and controll.. There is an obsessive part if it, along with an enormous amount of denial when things go too far.. Like maintaining fitness and a good profile is healthy, like slimming it can turn into a very serious problem. (I use you as the universal you, not to be personal against you the individual, English laguage gets clunky sometimes.) I am also speaking about the move from just pursuit fo fitness as it ties towards an extreme.
This is also a problem for non competitive athletes. I am a 66 year old retired elevator mechanic who just trying to stay fit. My cardiologist sat me down and pretty much told me to back off on my workouts. He told me exactly what Dr Chris has said. He also had all kinds of test done on me when I started developing A fibrillation He found out that my heart was thickening. He also checked to see if had any calcium from the heart muscle working harder. I don’t consider myself as an athlete but do work out hard for three to four ours a day. So any time you work out your heart works many times harder and like two cardiologists have drilled into my head. Harder work out are not always better work out for your heart. In everything balance is the key.
Over training and recovery are not well appreciated... more has to better, right? Most athletes who are chronically injured are likely over training.
Three to four hours a day is overdoing it definitely. I am 39 and do 1 and a half hours max with 10-20 minutes of intense cardio. I also have a rest day every 3 days. Overdoing it isn't just unhealthy but also effects your gains
interesting to know, I certainly think being lighter is a no brainer and for me which has to be better for the heart, I would see trying to lift very heavy as being sub optimal , I'd prefer to be to do things like pistol squats , nordic curls, jump rope, pull ups etc. some HIIT goals and jogging/sprinting goals.
Your heart is a muscle is thicker when you work out. So. Cardiologist told you to back off workouts because you are dying, not because of workouts. In shape, your heart also pumps slower because it contracts better.
You "work out hard for three to four [h]ours a day"? At 66 years old? Three or four hours of hard working out a day? You may be the fittest person who ever lived...
I've worked with many orthos and have also had numerous orthopedic MDs as training clients...I've been to many A4M conferences and taken their equivalent fellowship in bioidentical hormones in 2008. I have never heard one speak so intelligibly about AAS/PEDs. This DOC and his channel should be commended. YOUR CHANNEL IS FUNNY, ENTERTAINING, and of course EDUCATIONAL AND INFORMATIVE. You are a master of your craft - no question, but I admire how you also stay in your lane and show humility in referencing specific nuances you admit that you are not well versed on. Especially this topic which I hold dear as a personal passion and which I have been studying since before the internet was accessible - in the early 1990s. Since then - I have not stopped this pursuit of knowledge on this topic throughout personal experience as well as UG and graduate studies and currently independent study. We need more of you sir - in medicine, on TH-cam, and in the world.
Glad you’re honest about people taking gear at the top levels. 12yrs of lifting here and so many people are entirely naive about the use of steroids in sports. Not just bodybuilding, the top people in nearly all sports take gear (not all steroids put on mass, several allow for extreme energy, recovery speed, and cardio endurance for runners/swimmers). I always hear “but it’s a natural competition and he got tested!” Yea you can go clean for a couple weeks and it won’t show in most tests, but you still have the gains (another misconception is that you’ll immediately lose all gains when going off steroids). I don’t judge people for taking these drugs (personally I think they should be legalized), but those who lie and claim to be natural just to sell a product to naive people are trash
I was so hurt when I found out most athletes at the top level are taking PEDs. And you’re exactly right, people think “he or she isn’t even big and shredded they can’t be on them” they most definitely have shit whipped up by chemists that there aren’t tests for yet.
Another Liver King hater. lol
I agree, if you’re on gear, big deal, just don’t claim to be natural to people who are influenced by you or buy your products. A big misconception about being juiced is you get “magic gains” or “magically enhanced”, you still have to work super hard to transform your body just like anyone who is natural.
Regular people die every day it doesn’t matter if you’re a bodybuilder or not once your time is up that’s it there’s nothing nobody no Doctor No medicine nothing on this planet once your time is up to go that’s it nobody can save you simple as that
Yeah man! Turinabol is like the type of drugs that you mentioned, it didn't pack too muscle, but make you very fast and powerful.
It surprises me that you didnt touch on the relative starvation that body builders go through to maintain that level of definition. A friend of mine did a comp last year, just talking to the guy was difficult for at least 2 months before hand as he literally did not have enough carbs in his body to think straight. And even after, he almost had to train his body again to accept just a regular diet.
Not enough carbs? Was he starving himself or just on a Keto diet
My cousin does body building.
I've only seen my cousin starve himself in terms of water before a competition
He would dehydrate himself to make his muscles stand out
@@IonizedComa prolomged keto could also be bad cause thw tyroid needs carbs
@@danielayaquica7120 I doubt 2 months of Keto is regarded as prolonged Keto tho...
I've seen many people go at it on years on end until they reach their goal, some never leave
And as a carnivore myself I'm perfectly healthy for most of my adult life
@@danielayaquica7120 You need carbs but you don’t need to eat a single gram.
@@danielayaquica7120 the body makes its own carbs so jog on m8.
Thank you so much for bringing attention to this !
No worries!
_90% of the bodybuilders that watch this video are “strongly” considering other careers_
_Save a life? That’s an understatement, this man just saved tens of thousands of 1-aB bodybuilders in a single video with seemingly simple knowledge_
_But it’s not just the steroids though; there’s a lot of conspiracies floating around about Bruce Lee‘s death, but the truth is he died from intense workout, remember, he compressed 10 years of intense workout in one year_
🙏🙏🙏
As a heart failure nurse, your education was fantastic and on point!!
Hello hope you are well .. are you seeing more cardio problems with in 18 to 40 year old ? Your knowledge is priceless hope you reply !
He's a doctor. You're a nurse. You don't get to grade him as on point. You thank him for teaching
As an average person who doesn't go to gym nor body build, what can I do to not end up in your ward
@@TheAnnoyingBoss Get medical care from a physician you trust
@@mikesolns1364 good advice of course. I always wonder what the statistics are for the causes of the average heart failure patient is. One significant one is probably obesity
I am saddened to admit that I fell into this trap, where I assumed these were hyper healthy individuals. I did make the connection that steroid use had negative properties, but had seen so much on "healthy stack use" and the people in my gym promoting "gear" that I have been really tempted to utilize it. Seeing this once again has made me adjust my views on health and look more into what I can actually do to stay healthy versus what a magazine or those in the gym promote as healthy. Thank you again for amazing content and directed in a way that isn't patronizing or talking down to us, but rather trying to impart knowledge on us so we are aware of the risks and challenges associated with this type of lifestyle.
Glad you enjoyed the video and now have a sustainable outlook on health Richard!
Good for you. Take a look at videos of hunter gatherers - they have very active, healthy lifestyles but don't usually have huge muscles - - makes me think that gym rats are doing something profoundly unnatural to their bodies.
Just do trt levels of test or slightly higher. 300 mg week and don't overdo it that's what I do I'm 240 lb visible ABS at 5 ft 11 I'm an absolute sexy beast no lie
I just dislike the negative aspects that leaked into the fitness world. Never in my life do I see so many people who are anal about counting their calories, working out a 2g difference in sugar or protein on one product vs another, even trying every fad diet known to man. It seriously does a disservice for people new to fitness or workout who have a modest goal that see many folks who use measures that are reserved for the extreme enthusiasts. To me being healthy doesn't involve having to maximize/optimize every variable to do so.
@v cam oh make no mistake, a shit diet does damage too. But hormone related drugs play a different type of detrimental role in people's lives in this regard.
My father was a pro running back and was and still is huge at 55 and is all natural so seeing that growing up showed me everything it’s possible with hard work!
If you work out hard and eat right you can get super jacked- you’ll look different than enhanced athletes, but I think the aesthetic is superior because it’s less freakish, more athletic
Natural look + eating healthy food is the best
Very important topic!! Dr I have struggled with that word (Glumerulo - nephritis, sclerosis etc.) for 20 years and still can't get it in one try.. or two or three! Lol! I think it's the most difficult word in medicine Lol! Great video! You explain everything so that it is easy for the layperson to understand. One of the bodybuilders that died recently, I won't mention her name. I saw at her last competition (I train natural competitors). We stayed in the same hotel, I saw her leaving the hotel before her show and she could barely walk she was so dehydrated, her trainer had to help her out to the car. This muscular strong and impressive woman (IFBB Pro) could barely walk. I though to myself: "That's not good, the human body can only take so much!" I thought about it on the 5 hour drive home and for weeks afterwards. She died shortly after that. Eventhough dehydration was the reason she could barely walk... when combined with steroids, It's a ticking time bomb.
Doctor to patient: "After looking at your test results I can say for certain you have this [hands patient a note with excessively long words]. Yeah, I can't pronounce it either, but you have it and it's bad news."
@@Pile_of_carbon 😂
Hell of a word indeed.
What a great video Dr. Chris Raynor,I started bodybuilding back in the early 1980’s and I have never ever taken any steroids whatsoever but I’m also a martialartist so my type of weight training was more an endurance type of weight related training.I did compete on an amateur level I competed in 4 shows and I stopped after that,I even had the honour in meeting Dorian Yates in 1988 at the Wulfrun Bodybuilding show UK,he was the guest poser there.
This makes SO much sense now that it's explained. The heart is literally a muscle and using stero1ds, I guess you can't control which muscles you want to mainly target. It makes so much about the heart enlargement, attacks arrhythmia etc.
That's exactly it.
I stopped using steroids years ago. I never planned on going back. After this video I know I'm not going back. This is freaky scary, excellent video!
Same. I’m not as big, but I’m definitely healthier without the anabolics.
Back in the 70ies my parents used to tell me that many bodybuilders die young because of heart problems. So that's a long known thing. Arnold Schwarzenegger had to undergo several heart surgeries.
Don't think arnie used that much juice, like he remained fertile enough to get the wrong woman pregnant. Think it was more so a genetic heart issue
He had a known congenital valve defect.
@@jeremypeterson7171 known? Arnold had heart surgery because of decades of steroid use, which as the video clearly states, causes heart issues among other organ problems.
@@truthsocialmedia wrong
Arnold had a genetic heart valve issue the same issue his mom had.
Really well presented. You clarified the issues very well. Your lecture style is also very entertaining. It reminded me of my father who was a professor and pathologist. He would tell very entertaining, if not morbid, stories about avoidable death.
I really appreciate you covering this. As a guy I have seen so many gym goers who are in great health and shape feel completely inadequate because of the distorted images in the media
Don't be a pussy about what's in the media; there are real problems in the world.
Super educational. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I'm very sure you are saving many lives in the process. Having abused steroids myself and been training for 30 years....I'm glad to be watching this video....as I was thinking of starting again.... after watching this video...no chance. There are more important things in life than the way you look. For me it's my family and baby girl....I want to see her grow up. Thank you 🙏❤️
This was fantastic. thank you!
No worries. Glad you found it useful.
what a strange crossover
Get off your gear psyched substance!
@@jam9297 I think he’s just on TRT but that’s still not natural.
I think the 4th wall in TH-cam has been breached..
I was today years old when I learned that this was even a problem in the first place.
I seriously had no idea.
Thank you for the education, doctor. 👏
I spent a good chunk of my 20s hanging around the bodybuilding community. Had two friends whose hearts literally exploded (one was in late 20s the other in late 40s) and knew of probably half a dozen friends-of-friends who did not compete, but did take steroids and did end up dying way too soon, sometimes from heart issues, some took their own lives, some from drug-related causes. Makes me really sad to think about it...
Lol why
How does your heart "literally explode"?
@@wattsinaname6975 probably a heart attack that had associated rupture of either the heart itself or maybe an artery? i did not ask for details.... but it was interesting that this was the language used by family members in both cases
Taking steroids if you’re not a competitive athlete or body builder is just not worth it. I rather live longer than making more gains that eventually goes away when you get off gear.
What about using testosterone at lower doses?
Outstanding outstanding video.
As a personal trainer and wellness coach for the past 25+ years body building at the elite level is anything but healthy.
Many body builders I have encountered (Los Angeles, Miami, Denver and Boston) tend to have body image issues, many times OCD, drug use and then zeroing in on only:
1. Hypertrophy phases & acute variables (while having very short muscular endurance, Strength and power phases if at all)
2. Type IIa muscle fibers (ignoring type 1 and IIb)
3. Glycolytic energy system (untill cutting) for pronged periods of times. Oxidative and ATP-CP systems are not challenged as much.
4. Fixed ROM open chained machine like leg press, extensions, lat pulldowns etc etc.
5. Obsessive amount of calories taken in during "bulking phases" then then obsessive caloric restriction before competition
6. Of the 8 bio motor abilities most body builders tend to hyper concentrate on Strength and ignore: balance, coordination, agility, flexibility, endurance, power and speed.
Not all of course. But the majority I have encountered. Applied Functional exercise is not addressed for the most part.
You’re so respectful of all the people you talk about. It’s admirable
Great commentary, every teenage boy and girl interested in bodybuilding should listen to this video!
I've been working out and strength training for over 30 years. For me it was more about functionality than just Aesthetics. Anyway now that I'm older I am definitely glad I never went that route because it doesn't seem worth it. Excellent video thanks!
This is the best video on this topic I have ever seen. Factual, truthful, clear , concise and entertaining all at the same time. Well done my friend!🎉🥳
This entire presentation was gold. Humor mixed with simplistic understanding of the topic.
I had a tenant who was just a little over 35 years old. He started using steroids to get bigger and more fit. About a year after, he suffered two mild heart attacks. Yeah he got slimmer quickly, stronger, and put on muscle but is it really worth it to almost die twice before 40?
In my humble opinion if he wanted to compete to become world champion it was worth it, If not then probably no it not worth it
@@dannyanr4745 no still not worth it ..I know a few Mr Olympia competitors and they all regret their usage and have health issues
@@dannyanr4745 it’s never worth it…
@@dannyanr4745 no.
You don’t know any mr.Olympias lol
As a former competitive bodybuilder seeing people some I knew personally puts the sport into perspective. We put our bodies thru hell and not just involving hormones. It’s stressful on the body. When I competed at College Nationals they had over 40s competing at the same show and I gentleman died a few floors above me at our hotel due to taking diuretics.
" We put our bodies thru hell "
You mean like ALL sports?
@@krane15 Bodybuilding is a different level.
@@stephenwangondu3618 Bodybuilders train and they have a beauty contest. Other sports train with weights, diet, etc, then put on a uniform and go play their physical sport, against another person or team. Which is harder on the body?
@@krane15 you refuse to understand. A pro soccer player needs to be a sprinter, needs to have endurance and strength. None of these are to the absolute extreme. Therefore there's a balance and at the same time, he has to spend time training to actually kick a ball where he wants it to go. So no. Not all sports put the body through hell. Bodybuilding, marathon running and cycling are probably among the ones we could talk about.
@@gur262 Actually it is YOU who do not understand. Read my comment again. Bodybuilding is NOT a sports...its a contest.
seriously man you've developed some great screen/stage presence. clever editing too
10:42 BROO 😂😂
Great video. I was a natural body builder for all of my 20s and most of my 30s and while I looked great all I really left the bodybuilding world with was permanent degeneration of most of my major joints. I have since switched to calisthenics and not only do I look better I also feel better and am actually stronger without being bulky.
Yes yes yes friend...if I had my time again all I would do is just tai chi and yoga. My body is a mess.
95 percent of my workouts are calisthenics. I do some moderate weight for rows and that's it.
Calisthenics is awesome.
what are u trying to say is, in the long term natural body builder, ur joint started to hurt when u hit 40?
@@johnthegametologist Yeah I think you would be hard-pressed to find any bodybuilder, natural or otherwise, who isn't suffering in their middle to late life because of their weight training all those years. I am not discouraging it. I reaped the rewards in my younger years, but i am paying the price now. As the older and wiser often say, i wish i knew then what i know now. Had i known i would have started calisthenics rather than body building.
While I was in the military, I wanted to become a bodybuilder. I was well on my way, until I realized that it wasn't really worth it. Being in the medical field I learned of the actual health risks, & how folks try to push P.E.D.s on you. I never really wanted arms so big that I couldn't even wipe my ass. 😂
my question are Bodybuilders even sustainable in Military Operations ? sure they are big and buff but they also need much food . i think they cannot sustain that in campaigns especially when the supplies run out
@@laisphinto6372 It all depends on which branch you're in & what your job is. The Air Force actually has guys who only compete in bodybuilding (which IDK at first, until I met a guy doing it, who tried to recruit me). The Marines really aren't that big, esp while in training. During deployment the Marines were surprising actually the skinniest guys in the gym. They were training in unarmed combat & knife-fighting. But military food is usually high-calorie, esp. the packaged MREs (Meal Ready to Eat).
@@laisphinto6372 the most no. And the pro's defently not.They cant run for 1 minute. Also in some branches its hard to keep the mass. I was always around 205 pounds and around 10% fat. This was good for doing my combat Jobs. If I was heavier it was harder to do the fysical training. When I was at a logistic unit I could be a bit heavier.
@@ivostarmans1199 seems correct since when supply lines are cut it really gets ugly and living off the land was mostly always a temporary solution that requires pillaging villages and even that is hardly sustainable with large armies
Lmfaooo to the Arms being to big to reach your ass! I thought about the Math 🧮
I'm not a pro but I have certainly been around the block in bodybuilding for 30 some years. Everything you discuss is straight up truth. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video! Hopefully people will understand how unhealthy this lifestyle is. Imagine all the damage their bodies get as professionals, don’t want to think regular Joes who has no idea or control of what they do and consume.
I have an acquaintance who’s a retired cop and has previously been the size of a gorilla. He pointed out that at his most muscular, he gassed out way too quick when grappling. He found there was an optimum point and it wasn’t at his biggest/most muscular
Truth.
Yeah, been there and I wasn't even big. Just too big for anything involving endurance.
Yes, having great strength is useless without any athletic ability.
@@gtcam723 not so great with punctuation, are you gt? What did I fail to comprehend exactly? I understood your statement and agreed with it.
@@bodazephyr6629sorry about that. That was aimed at a different post and somehow it tagged you on this one
I've had a few of your vids pop up over the past week or so and decided I'll finally listen to one on the way home from the gym and I gotta say , very articulated and informative while also sticking some comedy in 10/10 . Definitely earned another sub your doing a great job !
🙏🙏🙏 I appreciate the love. I listen to a tonne of videos from other creators on my drive to and from work as well, so I am honoured that you would include me in your rotation Logan!
My dad was a lifelong bodybuilder from age 10 on. Never used PEDs, ate right and trained 3x a week. Kept his size up to age 72 when he passed away. So that was 62 years of exercise routine that kept his size and stregnth. He knew others at his gym that used compounds, and he outlived them staying natural and maintaining his size.
I totally agree with you. Bodybuilding, strength HIT and HIIT exercises are great when you do it naturally with no Steroids, PEDS muscle enhancing synthetic drugs.
Your dad WAS NOT a bodybuilder training 3x week. He was just an average gym goer.
@@h2theizu …no the average gym goer does not train 3 times a week or eat correctly
72 years is kinda young
72 is young to die and body building requires 6 times a week of training. I am far from a bodybuilder and go 4 times a week to the gym, dont eat sugar and never drink alcohol.
Wow, such a great explanation.
becoming one of your biggest fans. Im exercise physiologist for 30 years, and this was one of the best tell alls on the steroid abuse world.
The executive summary of emergent cardiac issues: "heart attacK' is a plumbing problem, "cardiac arrest" is an electrical one. Also, if you just drop without warning, it's probably a cardiac arrest. Severe chest pain and sweating: heart attack. Ultimately though, it's an academic, semantic and trivial point for laypeople as the first aid for both are the same; CPR.
Love that JA! I am going to steal those analogies.
@@ChrisRaynorMD Glad to help, please do!
Wrong- CPR is only done when the casualty is unresponsive and not breathing. A casualty presenting heart attack does not require CPR if they are still breathing normally.
@@danielwhyte9172 If a cardiac arrest and heart attack are using the same intervention, then necessarily the heart attack has progressed past the responsive phase.
Great, I thought sweating was good. I sweat getting out of the shower for a half hour. I sweat really bad until my body calms down especially after doing any work. The other day I was arrested in court after going upstairs and down stairs and had a puddle of sweat on the floor but it quit when I got in the paddy wagon and went to jail. I figured it was stress. Not a heart problem.
Finally, a real doctor answering this very very puzzling phenomena!
Wonderful explanation!
I'm also shocked at how young some of these people are. I've seen two 17 year old teenagers at my gym who proudly admitted to me that they are on gear and that was terrifying to hear.
People who are so young they aren’t even out of puberty yet (Although they are definitely near the end), taking steroids, is one of the reasons why I almost want them to be banned from the media and heavily regulated everywhere else.
@@orppranator5230 won't work, been there. Think better, or ban urself from it
@@orppranator5230anabolic steroids is regulated af, sarms are a bit easier to find. Meth and fent is illegal af heavily regulated and completely everywhere.
You can't legislate the world into paradise. We are humans
@@orppranator5230 clearly you have zero knowledge about steroids...when taken in moderation they can really help you.
@@orppranator5230 it will just take it dipper underground and will do more harm then help. People should start to admit that they take roids how much what and what period. Should be more info for physiciens and medical community. More studies. More info. Stygmatysing it will bring more harm then help.
This Doctor just earned my subscription! Not only is he does he speak about the deleterious effects of bodybuilding and cardiovascular myopathy but he's apparently also an anime fan too!
I love that you left in the part where you had trouble saying the disease. Very relatable.
Very clear information. I’m a 56 y old cardiac nurse from Belgium. I’ve always done a lot of sports and currently I am in top shape. When I go to the fitness, I spend 30% time on aerobic (running, rowing), 30% on core fitness and only 30% on weight training. Of course my progress has been slower than the young dudes who spend 100% of their time on weights and phone. What’s the point of having an athletic body if you can’t even run 5, let alone, 10 km. Dr. Raynor confirms that slow is often better and the goal of sports is maintaining a healthty lifestyle.
Goal of sports is maintaining a healthy lifestyle? I'm pretty sure the goal at least most of professional athletes is winning and the fame, money and sense of accomplishment that might come with it.
Dr. Raynor is so engaging, such a great speaker. Some of these heavy edits to “spice up” the video are just a distraction from his skilled presentation. I have ADHD and I get the challenge of keeping viewers watching, but honestly, he’s THAT good. I hope his editors will lighten up and just let him rip!
Such a brilliant way to present this topic!! Nicely done! 😊
Thank you! 🙂
A BMI between 18 and 25, a calorie intake matched with your calorie burn, a diverse and quality diet, regular exercise, enough mental challenge and lastly... good genes and a healthy habitat to live in. Those are what's needed to live a long and healthy life.
Phenomenal video, like so many. Thank you! Can you do one of us at the other end of the obsession spectrum - marathoners and ultramarathoners! I think many of use would enjoy your take on the risks we run and how to moderate them.
Appreciate you!
Great suggestion!
Superlative presentation, Dr. Raynor. Just listening to this and taking precautions can save lives. Actually, the best discussion on the subject I’ve heard so far.
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Now we're seeing this in college and even high school athletes. Sadly everyone thinks it will be the other person not themselves.
It’s reassuring that even doctors get tongue tied with certain diagnoses! Thanks for the well informed video Dr. Raynor👍🏽
Doctors are medicine men/women. They give the worst advice on health and fitness.
Some dramas have some tough pronunciations
I used to learn yoga from a guy many years ago, who was a former bodybuilder and he had won awards doing it. He said he stopped body building when some of his peers developed serious health problems and a couple died young. A yoga master from India taught him about balance when it comes to health, and how too much muscle throws the body out of balance and puts huge strain on it.
Its also just taxing on the organs, the calories needed and the work needed to process them and continuously produce the energy needed
@@donjoe1542 what you mean?
My primary care physician told me that it doesn't matter if it's fat or muscle, too much weight is a strain on the heart and kidneys. He didn't get specific as to why, but it seems like pretty good advice, all around. I've dropped 25 pounds, and everything is "working better", and I feel better. I don't "look" as good, but since I'm in my sixties... looks aren't the point anymore. Never took PEDs, so that wasn't part of it. I can only imagine it being a LOT worse if I would've.
It's true. There are benefits to weightlifting but really skinny people typically have healthier hearts than really muscular people.
@@brandonj6548 Yup, and the sad part is, these bodybuilders only get to borrow their physique for a while until it all falls off due to age. All that hard work for nothing or just a short period of time. Waste of time if you ask me.
I have been lifting 5 months, I am 60% stronger, weigh the same, but probably lost 8 kg of fat and gained 8kg of muscle. My resting heart rate has gone from about 66 bpm to about 50 bpm. When I was younger, 25 years ago, I put 90lb of muscle on and at that stage my resting heart rate was 60 bpm prior to 35 bpm afterwards. I am gaining muscle/losing fat now purely for heart health
@@brandonj6548 if those stat's are influenced by muscular people on the gear maybe. But if you are taking that into account, most skinny people are on amphetamines, so maybe not. Excluding drug users, those that are more muscular have stronger hearts, and their hearts don't have to beat as hard to move the blood around, leading to better blood pressure/heart rate
@@dopedrums I lifted, hate the term bodybuild due to so much drug use, in my 20's and got very muscular. Now I am 52, I have started again, easy to regain the muscle due to muscle memory. Taking it slow, it's a marathon not a sprint. If I can get big, strong, better mobility, better joints, fix injuries and balance by the time I am 80 I should be in a good place to maintain for the rest of my life. I only lost half the muscle I gained 25 years prior, so was in a good starting position, even though I didn't look after myself. People once they hit 50 plus should be doing some sort of lifting. I would rather say I strained my back deadlifting 500 and being fine 2 weeks later, rather than being like others my age saying I strained my back putting my pants on, and they never really recover
Unbelievably excellent presentation! Thank you doctor!
Dr., you have achieved a level of presentation of facts mixed with entertainment rarely seen out there. Thank you for your work!
I’ll quote something from the internet I once saw and say “Some dudes really be out here damaging their health taking PEDs when they don’t even compete, they just want to be a swole waiter.”
This guy's content is legit informative and entertaining. He's like Bill nye the science guy for adults.
Perfect analogy
I like how you use all the bodybuilding memes in this video!
I’ve decided to be a bodybuilder (I’ve put on 14lbs so far) and it’s (awesome) people like you that make sure I’ll stay a natural.
I've recently wondered why this is happening lately. I'm glad you have adressed this Chris.
It's sad to see such dedicated people die so young.
covid vaccine probably...
yeah cause otherwise we might think it's the arm stabbing....(it is)
People have been dying young from extreme body building long before this decade. You know what has changed in the last decade. More people are on insurance plans and there fore more records of their cause of death...
@@onewey00 you're the first person I've seen mention that and it was the first thing that came to my mind.
It's good to know that it wasn't from being "too fit" but from steroids instead. What I mean is, know your body's limits and listen to it. This is a great warning video.
Science on anti-aging is proving that mainly those that train for strength gains (without hypertrophy) and don’t eat so many meals and proteins a day, using intermittent fasting, live longer. You need to balance gains (slower ones) and life span.
depend on what you call "fit". besides steroids, the muscle mass itself, the weight itself, the huge weights ans nervous system stimulation, the huge amounts of food, especially protein are all extremely unhealthy in of itself.
@@alalexesc the exercise that makes you live longer has nothing to do with body building tough. Also: living longer isn't necessarily better. Its more about quality of life and your fitness has a minor effect on that department compared to other factors.
@@alalexesc Gains are already slow as it is lmaooo, tf you want me to slow it down further?
A video with Derek on this would be absolutely amazing! Great video as always!
This doc is so dam cool, funny, witty, smart and very good teacher. I can honestly say I really like these videos, top job doc 👌😁
Wow, thanks!
This is high quality programming. So refreshing to see good, intelligent, informative commentary. I'll subscribe, and continue to watch for upcoming videos. Thanks Doc!
My youngest son is seriously into body building. He is a full time coach and also competes in Classic Physique. I really worry about what he is doing to his body. He is 24 and way smarter than his 55 year old dad. Just ask him.
Maybe send him the Video and just try to convince him, that he is at least aware of what he is doing. As a son myself, though, I know we are always smarter than our old parents...
Support what he’s doing and if he is as smart as you say, he will be fine.
Maybe turn him on to Lex Lugar and Lyle Alzado and tell him this could very well be him later in life. The drugs aren't worth it if he's taking drugs. I worry for young people like your son because they "know what they're doing" when obviously they don't or they wouldn't be doing it. This vid here might be good for him to watch. Very informative. Be well my friend.
He should already know the risks, it comes down to if he cares. I did not start peds until my early 30s. The best thing you can do is emphasize the importance of regular bloodwork.
@@roba4139 I'd you don't mind me asking how much do you pay for getting proper bloods?
Best video on the topic.
Thanks for your honesty, transparency and education!!!
My pleasure!
Awesome work describing how steroids affect the heart and the downstream effects. Also, the naruto clip killed me
Love the editing on this video. You forgot to mention the effects on hair loss. Whoever edited your video was amazing. Laughed a bit, while taking it serious. During my undergrad, I volunteered at Hospice for 3-4 years. My mother who is a cardiac nurse will always contest to this. Most of the young patients I had every week dying were usually due to drug OD or frequent continuation of steroid use. Try telling bodybuilders this when they are hard into their lifestyle. I've even had some tell me to find a Peer Review, and they will find some to counter it. I don't know a power lifter past 50 who has not had a heart surgery(if they are lucky to be alive). Anaerobic exercises(those without oxygen) have always scared me. Especially when you are doing heavy weight. As you mentioned, the elasticity on the ventricles and the muscle mass that is on the heart, it becomes a catch 21. Should you ever stop working out, you are doing yourself a disservice. Weakening of that monster you created, with your ventricles becoming flat is a pretty serious cocktail to balance.
I was preparing a cadaver for the Biology students in lab, and almost shocked myself with a live pace maker. Those puppies don't die when the individual dies. I know some older men who got into the game in their 50's and suffered immensely and their SA node no longer worked. They had to have a pace maker and I asked them their story. It was sad to see someone idolize a bonehead in their gym that was half their age and end up almost dying because of it.
I wish individuals were happy with themselves and any progress they made. We live in a society now where us men think we have to be these super hero's... or we are not worthy.
When I owned my own studio, I never once allowed myself to treat fitness in that manner. I always practiced a strong relationship with being healthy and mindful of the effects that can happen with misuse of the 99% of false realities our society has advertised. Granted the genetics I was fortunate to have, I know my training was always a surprise with my clients; even losing some because it was not geared towards that lifestyle. A lot of the time, people simply did not understand and only see what they allow themselves to see.
Fantastic comment
Thank you for talking about this… someone i love very much has gone down this road and I’m terrified for him. His “trainer” has him on 1,736 calories for 6’ height and sketchy online supplements. He can barely stay awake (or sleeps for 20 hours at a time) is in pain all the time, can barely stand from sitting, ... He’ll refuse to eat for up to over 24 hours if he’s in an airport or away from his macro foods like raw cauliflower. No one can say anything or he’ll get furious and hide it more. I don’t know what to do.
1700 calories is weight loss territory for a healthy adult male. It's technically in the safe calorie range for losing weight, but you're certainly not going to be packing on more muscle with a diet like that. I'm guessing that he's started the on-season phase? (the cutting portion of bulk-and-cut)
@@-Keith- He's been in that range about a year, and admitted he actively avoids bulk phases, preferring to always be "cut"
@@HVolnWhatnow He needs to change his diet then. Even professional guys like Scott Herman and Jeff Cavaliere (who focus on lean gains rather than bulk and cut) consume *way* more calories than that. Me, I was able to maintain 6% body fat at nearly 200 pounds (6'-2") for quite a long time, never bulk and cut, and I was eating about 3000-3500 calories per day of healthy foods. All he's doing by reducing his calorie intake that far is reducing his body's ability to repair itself.
So exactly when does this person train? If they sleep 20 hours at a time, are in constant pain and can't even stand up, where is the training squeezed in? And how? They train laying in bed? How do they sleep in all that pain? Only awake 4 hours per day? What kind of contest is this person prepping for? A long space journey contest? This sounds a tad bit exaggerated...
Wow, this was such a clear and thorough discussion on the dangers of PED use. I learnt so much.
Thanks for the upload it was very informative.