The New Tourbox ELITE : Is it Really Useful?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Tourbox Elite on Amazon: amzn.to/43Avkdz
NEO (on Sale today) : amzn.to/3dYsUNz
A couple of years ago I reviewed the Tourbox and I liked it, I've been using it ever since, but this is the NEW model... the Tourbox Elite. In this video, I discuss the new features, basic operation, and my general impressions.
If you want to watch a better video about what the TourBox is, I'd recommend watching my original video, here: • The Tourbox Controller...
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Huh. Now I get why the design of the control knobs and buttons are way too varied. It's really designed for feel without looking at the device.
I have one, and so far, love it. Setting up for programs that aren't adobe was easy. Knew what program it was in, and very responsive. Figuring out my bluetooth problem as it doesn't want to connect that way to the software, yes everything updated, so I am on a USB connection right now. Like the haptic feedback and it will make my job easier. Just being able to jog timeline, or then use the lower dial to move between clips, will save me time, then the zoom wheel for zooming in on the clip. Translucent smoke black is the model I have and it looks great. Good build.
Can i ask you,it works for huion tablets??thx
@@tomgecko7727 Windows or apple based it will work. Don't know what that tablet is.
@@Shadrackc thx for the response
do you have the neo or elite?
@@ChrisParayno Tourbox Elite
Game controllers are not heavy enough to set them down and use one handed; they are great used with two hands but it's the wheels, dials, macros and multi button combinations on the TourBox that really make it worth the price.
I just got my NEO Box. It's great! Anyway you _should_ read the excellent manual to understand how it works. 2 minutes and you will understand how to customize it for all your applications. I really like to use it with LosslessCut having one wheel to skip seconds and one wheel to skip framewise. Very efficient to work through a video with this tool, not even touching the mouse or keyboard! :D
I even use it with outlook and many more to come! A great thing, and excellent quality in all aspects!
Glad to hear that you're finding it useful!
As fulltime video editor and animator by profession Ive used the loop deck for years to save time but the jog wheel alone on this device seems formidable when working sometimes 10-16 hours days editing footage... My biggest question would be battery life on Bluetooth and functionality with an Ipad Pro... Great demo...
I think both dials on the Neo can be pressed as well, might be a little stiffer....UPDATE: I missed the part that you mentioned that they just upgraded the Neo to have the press function, my bad
Yep... the original one that they sent me was pre-Neo... they just called it the TourBox, and that was that, but the Neo has the press buttons in the dials.
@@MatthewGore For me, I don't need the bluetooth function so I'm hesitating if I should go with the Elite or just get the Neo...the price difference doesn't seem to worth it if I'm not going to use the bluetooth function, or does it?
@@sikfreeze Ah. I'd go with the Neo :-)
@@MatthewGore Do you happen to know that the Neo with the pressable dials, are those dials the same with the ones in the Elite? or do they still rattle like the pre-Neo?
@@sikfreeze On the Neo, the dials are the same as the Elite
Thanks a lot for the review. I was very interested in haptic but not Bluetooth and the price difference is so huge I think I will choose the Neo.
Using a touchpad to zoom and move is much easier tbf , and all the buttons are in a finger length reach
amazing video!! Any impressions with capture one and tourbox elite?
I haven't used Capture One a whole lot, with or without the tourbox, though I do have the Sony version... I've just never made the effort to switch over to it. I just pulled it up and downloaded a preset for the tourbox, and the preset didn't work very well for me, but it would be easy to customize it to work in a way that is more familiar... it does have good shortcut support.
@@MatthewGore Thanks for the reply keep rocking!!!
Too bad they took out the extra port on the neo model as well. Thanks for the review.
I can't for the life of me look at this thing and determine how it would be comfortable or practical to use and develop muscle memory. I'd like to try it but you can't, you gotta spend like $250 for this weird wavy plastic block.
It's not super ergonomic like some game controllers, but it fits surprisingly well into my left hand, and it's pretty easy to use.
Then buy the Tourbox Neo for 140. I bought it for 50 used and now i like it so much that i think of buying the Elite.
@@Milan-cf1xe I actually did end up buying this thing and its amazing. So theres that.
the neo already had a push button on both those dials
The first image is captured beautifully, you wouldn't happen to have a flickr page?
Thanks :-) Technically I do, but I haven't used it in several years.
@@MatthewGore ah shame, I would've loved to see the final version of that portrait. cool video regardless!
This product intrigues me a lot as a content Creator on TH-cam! Seems super helpful, but it just looks fugly and I fear that it hasn't been ergonomically optimised yet.
As a product designer I would love to give this thing an ergonomic and visual overhaul :)
You should try it before making such statements! I've had it a year and I can say that it's remarkably ergonomic and perfectly shaped for reaching every button with a smooth soft touch. The heavy weight and compact size makes it easy to use in my lap on my chair arm on my desk or almost anywhere!
My question is, wouldn't it be the same to use antimicrox with an xbox controller?
Yes, you could probably use a variety of other types of controllers successfully, also. I do like the dials on this, which is something that most game controllers don't have, but of course, you could also just use the keyboard shortcuts.
@@MatthewGore yeah controllers don't have these features
Is it worth to upgrade from the original Tourbox? I have it but i think that some dials dont feel has good or dont have enough resistance for fine adjustments. Also tried the Loupedeck but the Tourboxes Layout is really good. ALso pressing the dials down for resetting/muting things might be a helpful addition
I probably wouldn't upgrade to the Elite, but I would upgrade to the NEO, if there's something about the original that bothers you enough. I actually still use the original on one of my computers, and I have no problem with it, so... I'd get the Neo if I didn't already have the original, but I'm not sure I'd pay to upgrade. To me, the Elite's bluetooth isn't worth the extra cost.
@@MatthewGore And do the buttons and dials on the Neo/Elite have better quality?
@@Milan-cf1xe Yes. As I mentioned in the video, the dial and center knob both feel better in the Neo/Elite. The rest of the buttons are about the same.
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Thanks for sharing this Matthew. The Tourbox makes a very cheap and fragile appearance to me.
From what I've seen about the Tourbox Elite so far,
I think the 3Dconnexion SpaceMouse bundled with a pro-Logitech mouse provides more speed and value.
I like the Loupedeck too. SpaceMouse and Loupedeck seem to be more sophisticated.
Have you tried any of those?
Keep up the good work.
It does look like a cheap plastic controller, but in fact, it is really heavy and sturdy. If you watch my original Tourbox video, I drop it from a couple of inches above the table, and the thud that it makes is pretty satisfying. Anyway, I haven't used the SpaceMouse, so I can't comment there. I've used the Loupedeck CT (included briefly at the end of this video) and while I like certain things about it, and it's useful for some purposes, it lives in the back of a drawer now. It's complicated enough that I have to take my eyes from the screen to use it, which just slows me down too much for it to be really practical, and I don't like the jog wheel.
Appearance is wrong. Solid product and well made.
Jog wheel on the Loupedeck is terrible. Making the switch.
@@MatthewGore I have loupedeck the one annoying bug that have yet to be fix is, when selecting options in Lightroom or in Premier pro to Chang exposure or colors. If you choose option in the bottom this device won’t show the option you are changing. It will just default to the very top view. This is supper annoying!
keyboard and tablet for the win.
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Inner Shatner says....well.....done
For this price it should have at least the basic stuff my keyboard does.
Like profile switches depending on the task I'm doing. All that wasted space on that box could have so many more functions. Making it simple is easy. Disable buttons.
I think my Xbox controller with a mapper can do pretty much the same stuff. But the ergonomics I'm sure wouldn't work the same.
As a matter of fact, the Tourbox does also switch profiles automatically depending on which program is in use. It's something that I talked about in the original Tourbox video that I made, but I guess I skipped over it in this one. Also, in addition to the fourteen buttons, you can also map commands to pairs of buttons, which helps quite a bit too. But as I say... the power of this thing is its simplicity, for me.
@@MatthewGore No I mean, in Blender if I'm Texture paintings, or UV Editing, Modeling, etc. A button to switch profiles myself.
Ideally I'd need buttons on the device to also change tabs in the program to each.
@@HalkerVeil Pretty sure they have that option now to assign a button to switch manually.
Minor point but will it come in black as well as white because the white will look dirty quite quickly
Yep. These are available in black, white, and some sort of a transparent-on-black finish. My white one is already getting a bit grimy.
When is the elite slated for release? Thx!
I don't have any firm info there... you might check the updates on the Kickstarter page. I'll email them and see what they say.
Just received my kickstarter elite. Got it yesterday.
can you adjust the 'Layer Opacity' with the dial at the Photoshop? thanks!
In order for this to be able to adjust any setting, there has to be a keyboard shortcut for it. Layer Opacity doesn't have a simple keyboard shortcut to increase and decrease, as far as I know... you can select the layer and press one of the number keys, and that will work unless you're using a tool that also has opacity. So, you could set a button to "5" if you want to change the opacity to 50% quickly, but I don't think that's probably what you have in mind.
yes
I'm confused why you use a second pen tablet when you use your tablet...with a pen for the screen
I like looking at my screen upright instead of flat on the table (the screen also gets smudgy pretty quickly if I use my hands, which drives me crazy), and writing with a pen on an upright screen is a pain.
@@MatthewGore ah okay fair enough! Thanks for explaining that!
Can you use this on iPad
Yep. And if you use the Elite, it will connect via Bluetooth, which would be handy.
@@MatthewGore wait that’s so awesome do you not need an app or anything tho
@@anthonytapia5373 Oh, jeez. My mistake... it's available for MacOS, but it's not available for iOS yet. That's still in development. I think I'm allowed to say that.
@@MatthewGore oh ok I can’t wait til it’s available lol that’s the main reason I got it
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Did you try with CAD software?
No, afraid not. I've never really done much with CAD myself.
@@MatthewGore I wish to know that Tourbox that suit the style for CAD user?
@@zweiwing4435 Understood, but I can't answer that... I don't have enough experience with CAD. Sorry
does it work with VN?
Not sure what VN is, but it works with anything that has keyboard shortcuts, which is just about any complex program.
How is it so far? Does it get dirty easily?
Still good... I use it all the time. I haven't noticed mine getting dirty, but I'd probably get one of the other colors if you're concerned about it.
@@MatthewGore aesthetically-wise, white is best for me since it matches my setup but Im just concerned about leaving smudges or dirt that cant be removed since I have sweaty hands sometimes.
@@iam_riro Got it. Well, it does have a bit of texture to it, but mine doesn't seem to be picking up dirt, and there's no reason you couldn't wipe it down with cleaner if it does get grimy. Good luck!
@@MatthewGore thanks
Sir Plz Tell me is This Work Fast Or Lag? means Slow Or fast?😢
I have no problem with lag, even when using bluetooth. I do use it with the USB cable most of the time, though. It's very responsive.
Is that tourbox neo vs elite? Or just tourbox vs elite?
Yep... in the video I'm comparing the Tourbox (original) vs the Elite, where I'm doing any comparisons.
@@MatthewGore you know if the neo dial and button feels cheap too?
@@Johnnymahon218 The Neo has the same dials as the Elite, with the additional press-down button built into them, so they should be the same as the Elite, though I haven't used the Neo so I can't be sure. I can be sure that they're not identical to the original Tourbox.
@@MatthewGore thanks. Im making decision on this. Seems like a very good product. Thanks for the review.
The elite is 349$ CAD on amazon , kinda hurts
That's actually about $10 less than it costs here ($268), after the currency conversion. But yes... a bit steep.
Why is it shaped that way?
Well, it's not all clear to me, but basically it feels like a double-wide mouse in my left hand. With my pinky finger on the left side of the thing, my middle finger on the roller wheel and my index finger on the middle knob can reach up to the horizontal button and round ones, my thumb rests over by the tall and short buttons. I'm not sure if my thumb or my index finger is supposed to get the arrow pad, and nothing can really reach the dial in the lower left very well withthout pulling my whole hand away from the rest. It is a good size for my hand, though.
@@MatthewGore It seems like it was designed to be gripped in a certain way.
@@coolbuddydude1 I have one and there is no gripping involved. Your hand comfortably arches over the box right or left handed and you choose to program which ever buttons and wheels work best for your needs and comfort.
When you mentioned surface tablet, I knew I would go elsewhere for information
Is there bluetooth lag? I tested a bluetooth wacom tablet on my MS Surface Pro 7 and it had so much lag it was useless. Not sure if it was because of the laptop-tablet-combo or if the tablet just sucked.
The Bluetooth lag was negligible, most of the time. There were occasions that I could tell I was using bluetooth, but it may just be that my Surface was a little bogged down. I never had any problems on my workstation.
@@MatthewGore Thanks man! Thanks to your videos I started looking into this and through one of the comments I found that you can also hook up midi controllers. I think I'm going to buy the Korg microKontroller Studio. Dedicated sliders, knobs, customizable buttons, beautiful design... Very very eager to explore this. So thank you for helping me get on this path! I can't believe I didn't know about all this stuff yet - I just knew the loupedeck and that was it.
@@Barrrt Glad you found an option that will work for you. I've actually had my eye on a Behringer DAW controller because they have motorized faders, and I've always thought that would make things a lot easier when working with 6 or more audio tracks. But that would basically just be a toy... I'm not sure it would really speed things up, so I haven't pulled the trigger yet.
I cannot advise since I'm not into audio. I do think investing in stuff that makes the job fun and fast can be wise. If one has the budget.
The price of not liking the product would be the loss of value when you sell it second hand. Where I live there are shops where you can actually try a product for 30 days and get a refund if you don't like it, so you could try it almost risk free if they would stock it. Perhaps there are similar webstores in your country.
Good luck and thanks again.
You can also use a $15 controller to do the same thing, or a $60 macro controller or even better...that big rectangular thing that usually sits on the very center of the desk and has 104 shortcut keys. Heck, even something like a $30 macro mouse will give you more flexibility than this. I am very confused why anyone would spend stupid amount of money on this junk.
The tourbox's appeal (insomuch as there is any appeal) is more a matter of comfort than functionality; its functionality comes entirely from mapping keyboard shortcuts to it, so it goes without saying that a keyboard can do just as much. When I'm doing photo retouching and editing, I use a Wacom pen tablet in my right hand, which is faster and more comfortable for me, so a macro mouse isn't really an option (although I do have the extra buttons on my pen tablet), and it makes sense to have a controller that I can operate with just my left hand. For photo editing, I've used keyboard shortcuts for the past 25 years, and I still do much of the time, but when I have thousands of pictures to work on, anything that can speed up my work a little bit is worth it... and sometimes the tourbox does. For video editing, I like having the wheels and knobs. But I definitely agree that the price should be much lower for this sort of thing.
@@MatthewGore Look up some macro keyboard extensions, usually show up in results for "Gaming Keypad". They are cheaper and more versatile. You can get some with mouse tracks, wheels or whatever suits your personal workflow. You want to go crazy? Get one of those ergonomic keyboards that split in the middle with a scroll wheel like the Cloud Nine C989M. Expensive, but still cheaper than this thing and you can get as close to the best of both worlds as possible.
I am still not convinced that tablets and additional peripherals help in efficiency with batch processing. I use a tablet for retouching and high fidelity editing, everything else has a shortcut or a macro.
@@IonkoGueorguiev I'm starting to get the impression that the Tourbox might not be the right controller for you. Good catch. :-)
@@MatthewGore No, definitely not. Everything that is marketed for photographers and creatives is stupidly overpriced in my opinion. More often than not, the exact same thing is available at 10% of the cost just for a different industry.
For example, a soft light panel is $600 to insane $5000. You can make the exact same thing from a broken TV and $40 worth of LEDs. Heck, you can buy a brand new TV, take the fresnel lens layer and it would still be much cheaper than what companies try to sell light panels to photographers. 🤣
@@IonkoGueorguiev Hi Ionko, thanks voor this input. I'm a n00b when it comes to tech and a photographer (I think this is the reason we are easy targets for high priced products :P). Do you have any links/tips on these (macro)controllers you mention? I have no idea about this product category.
I'm also wondering how hard or easy it is to map software specific functions to these devices.
I'm OK with technology but not a tweaker/customizer/true-nerd
Razer gamepad is around $60~$100 and can cover most functions of Tourbox.