« I fed your darkness », now that line killed me. And then Izzy admitting that Ed could really, successfully move past being Blackbeard. Complicated feelings, but they mattered so much to each other
I have been fascinated by Izzy since season 1. It was always clear that he had so much more beneath the surface and I think the writers did a great job in developing him this season. I also understand the death, even though I hate how much it hurts and I'm bawling from just writing this. Con O'Neill breathed so much life into what could have EASILY been a lazy "sidekick/right-hand man" stereotype. This scene is so f'ing well acted; it is literally perfect. Also, this isn't a "bury your gays" trope just because we didn't want him to die...
@@awesome13awfulnessi think it feels rushed because the writers just didn’t have enough time. This season should have been 10 episodes, but max only gave them 8, and they did the best they could with what they had
@@tucoravid3510 okay that might be true but they also cut have left some stuff completely for a possible 3rd season instead of rushing season 2. So many characters (and there development) just feels like background noise to a Stede x Ed plot. And even that feels rushed. Ed's redemption? Did it happen off screen? From 1 episode to another everyone's trusting each other again. Ed's """apology""" to Izzy for the leg. It would have been more appropriate or devastating if Ed only (and then truly) apologized when Izzy is dying. The whole thing with Olu, Jim, Archie, and Zheng - that could have been something, but it wasn't. If you write 10 episodes and then ex idk 30% of content (character development, plot, story) and put it into 8, you won't have a good result. Better 8 good episodes and maybe the possibility of a 3rd season, then 8 episodes with still only the possibility of a 3rd season but that makes fans wondering whether it's even going to be any good.
agree 1000%!! but wait.. are people calling this a "bury your gays" thing? because of all the characters, Izzy was perhaps the LEAST gay lol (speaking of openly gay, that is, and compared to the rest of the main cast. not speculating his sexuality here) i mean, everyone in OFMD is queer in some way... Edit: yup. found it. people DO indeed call this the "bury your gays" trope. its fine to dislike this choice. its fine to dislike this season even, or even the whole show because if Izzy's death. but for the love of god people... dont tell lies about it just because youre upset. your upset is VALID as it is, you dont have to lie about it. be mature...
@@DragonbornCanid I personally have the theory that it feels for some people like bury your gays because a similar trope fits in my opinion even more. Izzy's arc feels a lot like a coming out story. I mean, you said it yourself, he was "the least gay" and he started to open up and show a bit more of himself and his queer side (singing in drag make up for example) so it's actually more an "out of the closet, into the fire" situation. and honestly? that also sucks. I am not saying that it was intentional. of course it wasn't. but it also wasn't handled with the most elegance. just like almost everything about Izzy's death. (a lot of people are more mad about how he died than that he died) and even though it's a show full of queer people, Izzy's arc still followed the classical beats of bury your gays. I think that's another reason why it feels like that to a lot of people even if it isn't actually byg.
Izzy wasn't just the Revenge's unicorn. He was our unicorn too. It sounds trite and cliched, but this character really did change my life. He made me brave enough to reach out to the people who love me, to accept their love instead of repeatedly shoving them away because I didn't feel like I deserved it. He showed me that real strength didn't come from being rigid, but from the courage to allow oneself to be soft. I know it's just a TV show. Logically I know that: I'm not stupid. But I feel like I've lost a friend.
@@natekarpowicz7564 I interpreted it as either what you said, or Roach giving a final farewell to Izzy in such an Izzy manner. Izzy's catchphrase was "fuck off" and flipped people off throughout the show. I think he was just giving Izzy a sendoff that Izzy would enjoy.
Despite all the sadness, I'm really glad he died this way - surrounded by people he loved even though their beginnings weren't the best but still made memories with them, in the arms of someone he watched grow up and loved to his last breath,such a peaceful death, if you ask me, of course I would like him to live, but he died in the best way possible, you will be missed Izzy ♥️
Con really did an amazing job as Izzy can’t believe he became my fav character from the series. The arc that was given to him was complicated but beautiful at the same time. Such a well written and awesome character.
I laughed at your non-spoilery title and I thank you so much for keeping a spoiler video...spoiler free in case someone accidentally runs into it without having watched. What. A. Finale.
Ok I have some opinions. I was an Izzy-hater in season 1, and I got super confused by how I started liking him this season. Amazing script plus amazing acting, I suppose. Just before this scene happened, I was thinking “they wouldn’t do it, the fandom would go after their throats if they do it” (and they did it), BUT, even if it is bittersweet having the trope of “redemption arc for eventually killing the character”, a part of me is glad that the writers committed to the story, and the building of the characters and their journeys, even if it’s painful or upsetting, because they know that’s how life is, and if this silly show has something, is its authentic portrayal of the human experience. I’m sad but I’m not mad, because I don’t feel sorry for Iz. “Being a pirate is killing for your found family even if you’re already dead”. He knew, and he went down like the great ones. He became a seagull too, he became a legend.
@@Dragonking-fd1qv what I meant was, he became a seagull in his own way, changing the man he was, and giving himself for his family. Buttons changed into a seagull, Iz changed into a legend.
This is exactly how I feel as well. (Except I think Buttons is the seagull, and he’ll help with Izzy. I know David mentioned somewhere that the seagull is indeed Buttons.)
Maybe it's just me but somehow this season feels so rushed. Introducing new characters but not really developing them, then killing of a character that just started a redemption arc. Idk. If they'd killed Izzy in Season 3 or so but yeah. Guess if theyre not sure that there'll be a S3, they might as well introduce more new characters in S2 and ex others as well. TL;DR This season just feels a little bit rushed.
Also: I'm not talking about pulling a Jon Snow and revealing in S03E01 if he survived or not. But like at the end or idk, more writing effort to make another ending work. Idk. Killing off characters is sometimes really cheap.
That's what happens when studios get greedy, cut the budget and only give 8 episodes to one of the best shows. Honestly even with the limited time they had to tell the story, this was one of the best writing I've ever seen. I keep seeing people saying that a lot of things didn't make sense this season and I just don't see it, it's probably the downside of reading fanfiction of something that's yet to come out, people get really strong about how something should play out. And as much as it hurts to see Izzy die, his death was almost symbolic of Ed finally being truly free to be himself and Izzy knew it. I think that was pretty obvious from what he said before he died. It's not easy to follow up a show like this with an incredible season 2, but these guys did it.
@faelaneoin I agree! While it's obvious a lot of it was cut down, what's remained are still incredibly beautiful and they've summarized the story best way possible
It's all because greedy executive dorks who cut down episodes, reduced the show budget,and had writers,actors, directors, special effects people etc... heavily overworked and very underpaid.
OMG, I knew it. This adventure would take the life of one of the good guys. Rest in power, my strong, intelligent, sincere, passionate and loyal Izzy. You were a pain in the first season, but we understand why.
Con was absolutely brilliant in this scene ❤ I started sobbing when Ed said "don't leave, you're my only family" 😭Izzy reminding him that he has a family and everyone tearing up, while Ed is frantically trying to find a way to save him 😭 AHH my heart asldfjskajlf I truly believe he'll come back next season as a ghost or something, because he really ended up becoming the heart of this show ❤Rest in peace, Izzy, I'm going to miss you so much
I may never recover. No one cried at his funeral. I'm a mess. I've loved him since season one and now David Jenkins has done this. I love Con as an actor and a person and as Izzy. This was just... Not on. "There he is" like fuck you.
Im so happy but so sad. I just want this show to perform well in the public eye. Especially because of edxstede and luciusxpete. The ending made sense in a way. I hope people are not disappointed. It was perfect to me. Also it’s sad it was so fast, but with all the budget cuts they found such a perfect way to end it, in my eyes Im so sad people are disappointed. We wanted a show like this for so long and I wanted people to love it as much as I do. But it’s okay, I love it
I agree so much for the budget thing. Someone on twitter compared it to hbo max handing them 3 eggs and no pan to feed 15 people and they still pulled it off somehow, I agree with that sentiment.
Oh no Izzy!! 😭😭 I had a feeling something would happen to him. But at least he died at peace and surrounded by his family. Still, I really wanted him around as the wise griseled old sea dog just a while longer
Izzy admits his toxic perpetuation of emotional repression was wrong, gets permanently disabled by the man he loves when he tries protect the crew from his mistake, is emotionally rescued by the crew and is finally able to start opening up and get to know himself.... but then he dies after making his first steps into a healthier life. Ed was never a great guy to start with either, then turned into a fucking monstrous abuser to everyone, BUT he gets to do a pittance apology and live on with the crew (how dare they say family) that he abused. So the one in the romantic relationship lives while the one nobody loves is expendable.... as per fucking usual.
Yeah, thank you for vocalizing what I hated most about this show during season 2. I love this show, but the fact that everyone just brushed off being physically and emotionally abused by Blackbeard and the audience was supposed to forgive him because of his cute little relationship with Stede bothered me. To an almost triggering degree because I've been in an abusive relationship before. Izzy brushing it off is in character for him, because he's emotionally constipated at best. But instead of the writers diving into him working through his trauma in that regard, they decided to paint him as the problem all along and kill him off. I know he was the one that originally egged on Blackbeard, but that was a completely different character than we started to see in season 2. Izzy was the victim at that point, and then he just... died. Sorry for the tangent, but I also frustrated and you were the first comment I saw that called this out.
@@melodyknievel515 Sorry for My rant: I was raised by an abusive parent who had wildly erratic mood swings, so I'm particularly familiar with having to walk on eggshells around the person who controls you. And I'm pissed off that the writers seem to think Ed did enough to be forgiven. I'm sorry, when? The part where he delivered the non apology to the crew? When he fixed a door? The part where he had Lucius hurt him back instead of, oh I don't know, making a real effort to change? The part where he paid for a party, throwing money at the problem? (and it's not like he acquired that loot on his own) Then Ed sleeps with Stede when his capacity to consent is questionable. Then he blames Stede for going too fast, as if Ed had no say in the matter. Did I miss the part where Ed tries to stop him? He knew how traumatized Stede was. And in the end they have Izzy take the blame for Ed's horrific behavior, like Ed's not an adult responsible for his own actions. I can't believe that Izzy says the crew love Ed. Was it the blood loss? Are Stede and Fang the whole crew? Why would the rest love him? Nothing I saw showed that Ed even thinks about the crew other than how they affect his self esteem. It's like the writers tried to give both Ed and Izzy redemption arcs, but they made their them and their relationship too dark and complicated to fix in less than a season. So they got only part of the way before they they had to rush a dramatic wrap up in the last episode - for fear of no renewal. What a waste of the great acting.
As I just wrote in my Izzy WIP fanfic (ugh, I know!), Blackbeard has major main character syndrome. I'm so turned off by this season, I'm never watching season 2 as a whole.
An less seriously wounded Izzy could have given a similar speech then sailed off into the sunset on the Revenge with the rest of the crew. He did not “have” to die. I wantd him to continue on as a mentor, and teacher to Stede.
im so happy he felt, he knew he belonged before he died. the crew did that :)) I really wanted to see more of him and relationships he could develop :((
To my delusional ass, this ended a lot differently with Izzy surviving and living peacefully with Ed and Stede. Because I am too emotionally attached to him
I don't know if I've been as devastated by a character's end even though I knew it made sense story-wise since Gus McRae in "Lonesome Dove". I also do not understand how this show writ large is completely ignored at awards shows. The entire cast and production team deserve Emmys, Golden Globes, Nobel Peace Prizes, Publisher Clearing House Sweepstakes, Best in Show, and any other accolade and award there is.
Nah cuz this messed me up. It felt rushed didnt feel real, like the crew crying didnt seem legit enough, his funeral didnt feel sincere the seagull at the end something is sus about his death. I could also be in denial😭
I know many folks will disagree with me on this one, but I can't stop thinking how unfair it is for Izzy to be with Ed of all people in his last moments. I find it baffling that he was written to apologize to a person who was more than cruel to him and the entire crew, someone who isn't going to have to deal with the fact that he tortured and abused the man that cared about him for years (not saying he is an angel of course) on his deathbed. Of all times. While he himself was out there being the most well developed character this season. He changed and became better. And by the end of the season, just before he gets to reap the fruit of his labor, just before he gets to enjoy being open and being loved, he dies and the last thing he says has to be dedicated to Ed of all people. I find that a bad choice on the writers' part.
I dont think it was bad writing, I think it was written that way to make it have a bigger impact. Him almost being to the point of finding hapiness only to be killed and then realizing his mistakes to someone he cared about who may have not cared about him just adds to the tragedy of his death. Its supposed to be upsetting because they were working on making the character progress to resolve it in tragedy. Not bad writing (imo) just extremely tragic
@@neetjesterReading interviews, the intent to be for it to be bittersweet and an emotional catharsis for Ed. Nothing really points to it being framed as an injustice that could have been avoided, which is a significant identifier of a Tragedy narrative. Fans who are upset and sad are probably within the intended reaction, fans feeling annoyed and disgusted probably wasn't the goal. Neither reaction delegitimises the other, but they are different.
The acting is great but I have issues with the writing. I don't mind killing the character, the problem is, his death was meaningless. He deserved a far more heroic ending, some sort of noble self-sacrifice to save the others... maybe to save Stede or Ed. And not just randomly shot during the escape! This season started very well, but got messy towards the end.
I think it was ok. LET ME EXPLAIN; Making him have a glorious/heroic death would be for HIM, but I think the death they decided on was for US. For our psychology, for our emotions. If they gave him a glorious death they would care more about Izzy's character than how to play with our emotions, plus if we saw him battling and losing his fight we would already suspect/be sure he was gonna die, I mean we would be seeing it, kind of being prepared and understand where this was going. But having him die so randomly, while we see all of them getting freed and cheering and being all happy and victorious, thinking everything was going to be ok and then THIS happens.... I think it was well orchestrated. Fucked us really well and raw. Plus, it makes it more realistic. In real life you can't predict/plan your way of dying, it could be at any moment in the most meaningless or stupid way. We don't live in a movie that makes every little bit have a great meaning or symbolism. And this series is all about real life situations and feelings, even if they present it comedy/fairytale - like. Raw, unpredictable, heart wrecking. And a glorious death does not make you a glorious person if you weren't one, neither does a meaningless/uninteresting death make you meaningless if you have been a legend in your life. Death does not define you, doesn't change what you were. At least that's my opinion! I think it was nice. Oh, and also making him die so randomly and so soon after he started being warm in his heart and being cared for by the crew and not living on to enjoy this new life increases the pain, so yeah, I stand by what I said XD
Though i agree the scene was a bit random i do think that it made sense for him to not go out with a big deamatuc scene but in a very simple way? Idk just my personal taste
I was never a fan of Stede and Ed, the only reason I loved season 1 so much was due to the crew, they were the stars of the show for me. Just like how in season 2, Izzy was the one shinning until this pitiful and meaningless death. Others pointed it out but why does Izzy has to apologize to Ed? Sure he was not innocent himself but compared to Ed's "apology", this felt pointless. As if killing Izzy erased all Ed's own crimes and everything was forgotten. The pacing oh fuck the pacing was awful, barely anyone cried at his funeral and then wedding as if they didn't care at all about him at all. You can blame Max for this but THEY knew they had 8 episodes, it was their jobs to write a story that wouldn't feel rushed. But more than this: I also absolutely HATE that the one character that has to die is the disabled/suicidal one. Do you realize how triggering that is?! Especially in a show that was supposed to be found families/opening to LGBTQ+ people? Being disabled and having those suicidal ideas, it was absolutely awful. This season ends on episode 6 for me and a new season? Not going to watch, never. Good for you if you loved it but understand that not everyone is going to have a similar opinion based on their personal experience and should not be silenced nor criticized for having a different one. Oh also: ripping Izzy's leg to use it for the cross was fucking disrespectful but not like anyone seems to realize this.
I completely agree with this whole thing. I was called dramatic for being triggered by this whole thing, and it's so validating to hear someone else agree with me. You are not alone, my friend. I'm a survivor of a really abusive relationship, and I saw a lot of myself in Izzy this season--just brushing it off, making apologies and excuses. I used to do all of that, and I was hoping they would acknowledge just how much Izzy sacrificed himself for the sake of the crew, and they didn't. They killed him off instead. I am very disappointed.
From what I read about season 2 (I'm trying to not let it taint my WIP Izzy fanfic), it just seems like the queer fandom fan service cannot be rejected even at the expense of the one straight man doing at least 70% of the acting among these muppets. I never intend on watching a full episode of season 2... Only Izzy clips... But really, a land burial?! The prosthetic as a grave marker, wtf?! These fuckers are hopeless without Izzy!
After his redemption this season, (I already loved him as an antagonist) and èspecially that song and make-over that completely took me by surprise; made this moment hurt so much more. I hope they do a season 3 and make Izzy haunt Blackbeard and/or Stede
I genuinely came across this video while I still didn’t watch the episode. I watched the thumbnail, read “s2 e8 Izzy-“ and closed the page thinking “No no no it can’t be.” Watched the episode tonight. It was.
i hate this ending. it makes no sense narratively. there was an entire season spent of izzy being described as indestructible, surviving so many deadly wounds, only to go down in a way previously established on the show is very improbable (he got shot on the left side - ed himself said the left side doesn’t have any major organs). not to mention he underwent an incredible character redemption arc, became the best captain and friend for those around him, only to be killed like that? the ending wouldn’t have been different at *all* if he would have lived. ed and stede could still have had their happy gay ending without izzy’s brutal murder - and the wedding would have been happier! his last words didn’t even mean anything. he tells ed he is surrounded by loving family when it was never officially established they forgave him and love him; not only that, but then ed immediately leaves said loving family for some whim-prone dream with his sweetheart. stede showed no remorse during the funeral, and why did nobody come up to izzy and tell him how loved he was? why did nobody step up and tell him they are grateful he saved them? why did izzy’s last words have to be wasted on the man who tortured and abused him for so long, *apologizing* to him instead of it being the other way around? why didn’t we get just a minute more - a minute of them crying, grieving, mourning, instead of just throwing the wedding and inn at us? tl;dr i am incredibly disatisfied with this ending because it only served for shock value and added nothing to the story.
Why would Stede show remorse? Didn't he already move on from being stabbed and sold out to the British? Didn't he save Izzy when he didn't have to? Why should he feel remorse?
Ah, Izzy literally admitted to forcing Ed to be something he didn't want to be for years (out of a selfish desire). Ed was bored, sûicidal and Izzy knew it and still kept pushing him to be Blackbeard. What happened between them was mutual abuse. Baby girl Izzy did abuse Ed for years, then belittled him and threatened him until the reactive abuse began and he suddenly began to realize he had started something he couldn't control. Yes, Ed didn't apologize, but there's nothing wrong with Izzy doing it, especially after what he did to Ed.
I'm calling it now for season 3: there's gonna be another limbo scene with Izzy for either Stede or Ed. Mostly Stede since Ed already had one with his old captain.
Izzy didn't deserve this. After finally growing and becoming part of a community, after creating connections and protecting the crew from Ed, only he has to apologise as he dies? Only he gets no happy ending? Ed gave the shittiest apology for his abuse of Izzy, and yes it is abuse when you cut someone's toes off and then make him lose his leg, and he just gets off scot-free? The crew he's bonded with don't even get a final farewell with him. I love Con's acting for the scene but I feel so cheated. There was no meaning to his death. It wasn't necessary. He deserved better than this.
Struck me that Ed and Izzy have a complicated relationship, part friendship/family and toxicity. They fed the darkness in each other, till Ed became a force of nature Izzy couldnt control. They were a friendship that waxxed and waned accordingly. But saw the goodness still in each other. The budget cuts and cancellation reminds me of what HBO did to Rome, too rushed and Izzys death was clearly meant for series 3, but I'm so glad i saw the series we got in it's wonderful beauty
Ill probably be called a delusional izzy fan for this but I genuinely think his death, as well as the finale, was badly written. He didnt have to die. He couldve been the revenge's new captain, as he was their 'new unicorn'. He grew so much over the season to just...die? And be buried on land, when his heart was for the sea? Also, his whole life he has been devoted to Ed, been by Ed's side, stayed with Ed, loved Ed, suffered with and because of Ed, and now, died in Ed's arms. He never got a life outside of Ed. We got a glimpse of it when the crew made him a leg, but in the end he will always be under Ed's feet, now literally as he is buried right in the ground next to the inn he inhabits. 'At least he died happy' dying happy for someone is not the same as dying happy because you are satisfied of your life and at peace. Dont even get me started on stede and ed's relationship...
This scene is very sad but what bugs me more are the continuity errors! Fang moves spots drastically from the shots of Ed and Izzy(he’s sitting on the left) to the shots of just the rest of the crew (he’s standing in the back). Seems like Stede and Roach might too (though you could argue they’re just obscured by Ed but meh I don’t buy it lol). I wish they paid more attention to this when editing, it takes my attention away from the important bits!
I actually don't think it was malicious. I have many issues with Izzy's death, but I think Roach flipping off the cross was out of affection. Izzy's catchphrase was "fuck off" and I think he was just giving Izzy a send-off that would be Izzy approved.
Sorry, english is not my first language and so I couldn't really grab all the words he's saing. Can someone help me and write down Izzy's words please? Just Izzy's, he's the one I'm having trouble fully understand
this just felt so ... offputtingly empty and strange to me. like i know the foreshadowing was there, but it still felt _off_ emotionally somehow. this followed by the happily ever after scene at the end made me feel so utterly sick for some reason. by no means a dig at anyone who worked on the show, it just didn't land for me i guess 💔
Can we all agree that the writing for the latter half of the season, especially the final episode, was kind of shit? It was rushed, didn't really make sense, and killed off a fan favorite which I believe didn't fit the vibe of the show at all. Regardless, it was well acted. But the plot was just so rushed these last couple episodes!
Okay, I’ll admit I’m not the hugest Izzy fan and neither was my partner when they started watching the show. In fact, they hated him lol. Never liked Izzy and how he treated the crew and especially Ed in season 1. When we both started watching season 2, I was sorta taken aback by the whole vibe around it. The second season felt. off. I know im not the only one. I didn’t hate how they killed off Izzy. But I can see how it rubbed some people off the wrong way. And even I have to admit, I knew someone was gonna die, and I figured it would be Izzy, but the way it was executed just seemed. Eh??? Like did he really need to die?? After all the progress and development his character was getting in season 2??? Me n my partner were starting to love Izzy! It sucks how this show got cancelled abruptly. Could’ve gottten to see so much more. Season 2 felt like a pat on the back instead of a hug.
Yeah no season 3 for me even if renewed. This season was league's worse than season 1 but izzy's redemption was the best storyline in the entire show. The one show I thought wouldn't bury its lgbt characters. Still a beautiful scene.
i wouldn't call this a bury your gays moment like you're insinuating. any death in this show would be killing an lgbt character because everyone is gay
Any death on this show would be burying your gays…they’re all gay. I’m sad Izzy died, but it does free Ed to “just be Ed” and it was a beautiful intimate death scene. RIP Israel Hands. 💔❤💔
@@koguma8823Thank you for saying this. People can feel however they want about how Izzy’s story was handled, but to say his death was contributing to bury the gays is crazy to me… they’re all queer! I’m heartbroken over Izzy’s death, but it’s not like it was just another homophobic trope.
But WHY would they not give Izzy a proper sea burial?! Someone could steal his stuff off the grave marker! Too much suspension of reality, and I'm perfectly aware this is a show... But come on! Really?!
No!!! I was waiting for Izzy to be cool from his first appearance, you cant just kill him after it finally happens! 😢 he was my example of "I can fix him - says man who is worse"
Izzy was the most interesting character in Season 1 and Con carried season 2. Not sure how they will go on without him. This season was such a disappointment. The first season was one of the best pieces of media in a long time and they just…ruined it. Shoved too many storylines all at once and took away a seasons worth of character development for half the cast and tried to fill it with one dimensional new characters. It’s just so sad. I really hope this was the last season.
This was so rushed and forced, and I felt like it was just done for shock value. I don't really mind that Izzy died. I'm bothered about why and how it happened, and how it was played out simply for Ed's 'development'. It felt so out of nowhere and cheap.
![Izzy Hands singing La vie en rose [Our Flag Means Death, s2ep6 - Calypso's Birthday]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4g48k6UpYZE/mqdefault.jpg)
« I fed your darkness », now that line killed me. And then Izzy admitting that Ed could really, successfully move past being Blackbeard. Complicated feelings, but they mattered so much to each other
Yes! Fully agree
I have been fascinated by Izzy since season 1. It was always clear that he had so much more beneath the surface and I think the writers did a great job in developing him this season. I also understand the death, even though I hate how much it hurts and I'm bawling from just writing this. Con O'Neill breathed so much life into what could have EASILY been a lazy "sidekick/right-hand man" stereotype. This scene is so f'ing well acted; it is literally perfect. Also, this isn't a "bury your gays" trope just because we didn't want him to die...
Idk it still feels rushed. They barely looked beneath the surface, just hinted that there is more and then rushed it.
@@awesome13awfulnessi think it feels rushed because the writers just didn’t have enough time. This season should have been 10 episodes, but max only gave them 8, and they did the best they could with what they had
@@tucoravid3510 okay that might be true but they also cut have left some stuff completely for a possible 3rd season instead of rushing season 2. So many characters (and there development) just feels like background noise to a Stede x Ed plot. And even that feels rushed. Ed's redemption? Did it happen off screen? From 1 episode to another everyone's trusting each other again. Ed's """apology""" to Izzy for the leg. It would have been more appropriate or devastating if Ed only (and then truly) apologized when Izzy is dying. The whole thing with Olu, Jim, Archie, and Zheng - that could have been something, but it wasn't. If you write 10 episodes and then ex idk 30% of content (character development, plot, story) and put it into 8, you won't have a good result. Better 8 good episodes and maybe the possibility of a 3rd season, then 8 episodes with still only the possibility of a 3rd season but that makes fans wondering whether it's even going to be any good.
agree 1000%!!
but wait.. are people calling this a "bury your gays" thing? because of all the characters, Izzy was perhaps the LEAST gay lol (speaking of openly gay, that is, and compared to the rest of the main cast. not speculating his sexuality here)
i mean, everyone in OFMD is queer in some way...
Edit: yup. found it. people DO indeed call this the "bury your gays" trope.
its fine to dislike this choice. its fine to dislike this season even, or even the whole show because if Izzy's death. but for the love of god people... dont tell lies about it just because youre upset.
your upset is VALID as it is, you dont have to lie about it. be mature...
@@DragonbornCanid
I personally have the theory that it feels for some people like bury your gays because a similar trope fits in my opinion even more.
Izzy's arc feels a lot like a coming out story. I mean, you said it yourself, he was "the least gay" and he started to open up and show a bit more of himself and his queer side (singing in drag make up for example)
so it's actually more an "out of the closet, into the fire" situation. and honestly? that also sucks.
I am not saying that it was intentional. of course it wasn't. but it also wasn't handled with the most elegance. just like almost everything about Izzy's death. (a lot of people are more mad about how he died than that he died)
and even though it's a show full of queer people, Izzy's arc still followed the classical beats of bury your gays. I think that's another reason why it feels like that to a lot of people even if it isn't actually byg.
Izzy wasn't just the Revenge's unicorn. He was our unicorn too. It sounds trite and cliched, but this character really did change my life. He made me brave enough to reach out to the people who love me, to accept their love instead of repeatedly shoving them away because I didn't feel like I deserved it. He showed me that real strength didn't come from being rigid, but from the courage to allow oneself to be soft. I know it's just a TV show. Logically I know that: I'm not stupid. But I feel like I've lost a friend.
" Great, Bonnet's in charge, i'm definetly focked"
Ok but fr Roach's middle finger to Izzy at the funeral had me in stitches in the middle of this emotional moment 😂
Or Roach was giving the finger to the cross thinking: Fuck You, God! Because God took Izzy too soon.🥺
@@natekarpowicz7564 I interpreted it as either what you said, or Roach giving a final farewell to Izzy in such an Izzy manner. Izzy's catchphrase was "fuck off" and flipped people off throughout the show. I think he was just giving Izzy a sendoff that Izzy would enjoy.
@@melodyknievel515 Or both.
The way this scene completely destroyed me, absolutely heartbreaking. Also Con and Taika’s acting here is top tier 😭😭
Despite all the sadness, I'm really glad he died this way - surrounded by people he loved even though their beginnings weren't the best but still made memories with them, in the arms of someone he watched grow up and loved to his last breath,such a peaceful death, if you ask me, of course I would like him to live, but he died in the best way possible, you will be missed Izzy ♥️
Yep, and Buttons visited him and SteEd too!
"You're surrounded by family... They love you." I lost it.
"You're surrounded by family... They love you." I lost it.
"You're surrounded by family... They love you." I lost it.
Con needs an EMMY!!!!
So does Taika.
@@lindildeev5721 The whole damn cast, really.
FOR REAL
Con really did an amazing job as Izzy can’t believe he became my fav character from the series. The arc that was given to him was complicated but beautiful at the same time. Such a well written and awesome character.
*becomes my favorite character*
*dies two episodes later*
O__O
I swear this happens to me in every show or movie.
@broccoli2572 happened with me and Polka Dot man in Suicide Squad
I laughed at your non-spoilery title and I thank you so much for keeping a spoiler video...spoiler free in case someone accidentally runs into it without having watched. What. A. Finale.
Ok I have some opinions. I was an Izzy-hater in season 1, and I got super confused by how I started liking him this season. Amazing script plus amazing acting, I suppose. Just before this scene happened, I was thinking “they wouldn’t do it, the fandom would go after their throats if they do it” (and they did it), BUT, even if it is bittersweet having the trope of “redemption arc for eventually killing the character”, a part of me is glad that the writers committed to the story, and the building of the characters and their journeys, even if it’s painful or upsetting, because they know that’s how life is, and if this silly show has something, is its authentic portrayal of the human experience.
I’m sad but I’m not mad, because I don’t feel sorry for Iz. “Being a pirate is killing for your found family even if you’re already dead”. He knew, and he went down like the great ones. He became a seagull too, he became a legend.
Im pretty sure the seagull at the end was buttons returning, I really hope there’s a season 3
@@Dragonking-fd1qv I thought the same but there is nothing that says they can't both be seagulls....
@@Dragonking-fd1qv what I meant was, he became a seagull in his own way, changing the man he was, and giving himself for his family. Buttons changed into a seagull, Iz changed into a legend.
This is exactly how I feel as well. (Except I think Buttons is the seagull, and he’ll help with Izzy. I know David mentioned somewhere that the seagull is indeed Buttons.)
Izzys hand was tangled in Eds hair even after he died!!😢
Maybe it's just me but somehow this season feels so rushed. Introducing new characters but not really developing them, then killing of a character that just started a redemption arc. Idk. If they'd killed Izzy in Season 3 or so but yeah. Guess if theyre not sure that there'll be a S3, they might as well introduce more new characters in S2 and ex others as well. TL;DR This season just feels a little bit rushed.
Also: I'm not talking about pulling a Jon Snow and revealing in S03E01 if he survived or not. But like at the end or idk, more writing effort to make another ending work. Idk. Killing off characters is sometimes really cheap.
I’d say the low budget was the main issue 😢
That's what happens when studios get greedy, cut the budget and only give 8 episodes to one of the best shows. Honestly even with the limited time they had to tell the story, this was one of the best writing I've ever seen. I keep seeing people saying that a lot of things didn't make sense this season and I just don't see it, it's probably the downside of reading fanfiction of something that's yet to come out, people get really strong about how something should play out. And as much as it hurts to see Izzy die, his death was almost symbolic of Ed finally being truly free to be himself and Izzy knew it. I think that was pretty obvious from what he said before he died. It's not easy to follow up a show like this with an incredible season 2, but these guys did it.
@faelaneoin I agree! While it's obvious a lot of it was cut down, what's remained are still incredibly beautiful and they've summarized the story best way possible
It's all because greedy executive dorks who cut down episodes, reduced the show budget,and had writers,actors, directors, special effects people etc... heavily overworked and very underpaid.
OMG, I knew it. This adventure would take the life of one of the good guys. Rest in power, my strong, intelligent, sincere, passionate and loyal Izzy. You were a pain in the first season, but we understand why.
Izzy went from dude Id love to punch in S1 to my favourite character in S2. Im going to miss him😢
I ADORED his character development, and he became one of my faves.
Con was absolutely brilliant in this scene ❤ I started sobbing when Ed said "don't leave, you're my only family" 😭Izzy reminding him that he has a family and everyone tearing up, while Ed is frantically trying to find a way to save him 😭 AHH my heart asldfjskajlf I truly believe he'll come back next season as a ghost or something, because he really ended up becoming the heart of this show ❤Rest in peace, Izzy, I'm going to miss you so much
I may never recover. No one cried at his funeral. I'm a mess. I've loved him since season one and now David Jenkins has done this. I love Con as an actor and a person and as Izzy. This was just... Not on. "There he is" like fuck you.
Im so happy but so sad. I just want this show to perform well in the public eye. Especially
because of edxstede and luciusxpete. The ending made sense in a way. I hope people are not disappointed. It was perfect to me.
Also it’s sad it was so fast, but with all the budget cuts they found such a perfect way to end it, in my eyes
Im so sad people are disappointed. We wanted a show like this for so long and I wanted people to love it as much as I do. But it’s okay, I love it
Yes! I have seen so much negativity from this season and I understand a little but I still think it was amazing.
I agree so much for the budget thing. Someone on twitter compared it to hbo max handing them 3 eggs and no pan to feed 15 people and they still pulled it off somehow, I agree with that sentiment.
Oh no Izzy!! 😭😭 I had a feeling something would happen to him. But at least he died at peace and surrounded by his family. Still, I really wanted him around as the wise griseled old sea dog just a while longer
"izzys not very well" how dare you 😮 😅 thats an understatement. Seriously though...the acting in this scene was amazing
Izzy admits his toxic perpetuation of emotional repression was wrong, gets permanently disabled by the man he loves when he tries protect the crew from his mistake, is emotionally rescued by the crew and is finally able to start opening up and get to know himself.... but then he dies after making his first steps into a healthier life. Ed was never a great guy to start with either, then turned into a fucking monstrous abuser to everyone, BUT he gets to do a pittance apology and live on with the crew (how dare they say family) that he abused. So the one in the romantic relationship lives while the one nobody loves is expendable.... as per fucking usual.
Yeah, thank you for vocalizing what I hated most about this show during season 2. I love this show, but the fact that everyone just brushed off being physically and emotionally abused by Blackbeard and the audience was supposed to forgive him because of his cute little relationship with Stede bothered me. To an almost triggering degree because I've been in an abusive relationship before. Izzy brushing it off is in character for him, because he's emotionally constipated at best. But instead of the writers diving into him working through his trauma in that regard, they decided to paint him as the problem all along and kill him off. I know he was the one that originally egged on Blackbeard, but that was a completely different character than we started to see in season 2. Izzy was the victim at that point, and then he just... died. Sorry for the tangent, but I also frustrated and you were the first comment I saw that called this out.
@@melodyknievel515 Sorry for My rant: I was raised by an abusive parent who had wildly erratic mood swings, so I'm particularly familiar with having to walk on eggshells around the person who controls you. And I'm pissed off that the writers seem to think Ed did enough to be forgiven. I'm sorry, when? The part where he delivered the non apology to the crew? When he fixed a door? The part where he had Lucius hurt him back instead of, oh I don't know, making a real effort to change? The part where he paid for a party, throwing money at the problem? (and it's not like he acquired that loot on his own)
Then Ed sleeps with Stede when his capacity to consent is questionable. Then he blames Stede for going too fast, as if Ed had no say in the matter. Did I miss the part where Ed tries to stop him? He knew how traumatized Stede was.
And in the end they have Izzy take the blame for Ed's horrific behavior, like Ed's not an adult responsible for his own actions. I can't believe that Izzy says the crew love Ed. Was it the blood loss? Are Stede and Fang the whole crew? Why would the rest love him? Nothing I saw showed that Ed even thinks about the crew other than how they affect his self esteem.
It's like the writers tried to give both Ed and Izzy redemption arcs, but they made their them and their relationship too dark and complicated to fix in less than a season. So they got only part of the way before they they had to rush a dramatic wrap up in the last episode - for fear of no renewal. What a waste of the great acting.
As I just wrote in my Izzy WIP fanfic (ugh, I know!), Blackbeard has major main character syndrome. I'm so turned off by this season, I'm never watching season 2 as a whole.
An less seriously wounded Izzy could have given a similar speech then sailed off into the sunset on the Revenge with the rest of the crew. He did not “have” to die. I wantd him to continue on as a mentor, and teacher to Stede.
im so happy he felt, he knew he belonged before he died. the crew did that :)) I really wanted to see more of him and relationships he could develop :((
Thisss 👏🏼 felt like we could’ve gotten so much more
To my delusional ass, this ended a lot differently with Izzy surviving and living peacefully with Ed and Stede.
Because I am too emotionally attached to him
Ugh. Favorite character gone. This felt forced to me. Not a fan. Whole season was rushed af past the first 3 episodes imo
It's more a max issue, they cut the budget and the run time so it was all so fast
I don't know if I've been as devastated by a character's end even though I knew it made sense story-wise since Gus McRae in "Lonesome Dove". I also do not understand how this show writ large is completely ignored at awards shows. The entire cast and production team deserve Emmys, Golden Globes, Nobel Peace Prizes, Publisher Clearing House Sweepstakes, Best in Show, and any other accolade and award there is.
Nah cuz this messed me up. It felt rushed didnt feel real, like the crew crying didnt seem legit enough, his funeral didnt feel sincere the seagull at the end something is sus about his death. I could also be in denial😭
Con O'Neill was absolute acting god in this seson.
"You're surrounded by family... They love you." I lost it.
"... They loves you."
"... They loves you."
"... They loves you."
"... They loves you."
"... They loves you."
And he surrounded by family they love you Ed....... That's part hits me
"Not very well" IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT- 💀💀💀 but I'm guessing u put that so u don't spoil what rlly happens😭
yeah, i didn't want to spoil anything and also thought it would be funny lmao
I know many folks will disagree with me on this one, but I can't stop thinking how unfair it is for Izzy to be with Ed of all people in his last moments. I find it baffling that he was written to apologize to a person who was more than cruel to him and the entire crew, someone who isn't going to have to deal with the fact that he tortured and abused the man that cared about him for years (not saying he is an angel of course) on his deathbed. Of all times. While he himself was out there being the most well developed character this season. He changed and became better. And by the end of the season, just before he gets to reap the fruit of his labor, just before he gets to enjoy being open and being loved, he dies and the last thing he says has to be dedicated to Ed of all people. I find that a bad choice on the writers' part.
Bruh definitely did not understand the ending…
I dont think it was bad writing, I think it was written that way to make it have a bigger impact. Him almost being to the point of finding hapiness only to be killed and then realizing his mistakes to someone he cared about who may have not cared about him just adds to the tragedy of his death. Its supposed to be upsetting because they were working on making the character progress to resolve it in tragedy. Not bad writing (imo) just extremely tragic
@@neetjesterReading interviews, the intent to be for it to be bittersweet and an emotional catharsis for Ed. Nothing really points to it being framed as an injustice that could have been avoided, which is a significant identifier of a Tragedy narrative.
Fans who are upset and sad are probably within the intended reaction, fans feeling annoyed and disgusted probably wasn't the goal. Neither reaction delegitimises the other, but they are different.
"Ur surrounded by family.. They love u."
The acting is great but I have issues with the writing. I don't mind killing the character, the problem is, his death was meaningless. He deserved a far more heroic ending, some sort of noble self-sacrifice to save the others... maybe to save Stede or Ed. And not just randomly shot during the escape! This season started very well, but got messy towards the end.
Literally we have been building him up this whole series as a true legend of a pirate, and he dies because he loses his grip a rich idiot?
@@eleanorgloria A rich idiot who definitly should have not gotten access to a weapon to begin with.
Thank God somebody else says it! I've started to think I was the only one that had this opinion.
I think it was ok. LET ME EXPLAIN; Making him have a glorious/heroic death would be for HIM, but I think the death they decided on was for US. For our psychology, for our emotions. If they gave him a glorious death they would care more about Izzy's character than how to play with our emotions, plus if we saw him battling and losing his fight we would already suspect/be sure he was gonna die, I mean we would be seeing it, kind of being prepared and understand where this was going. But having him die so randomly, while we see all of them getting freed and cheering and being all happy and victorious, thinking everything was going to be ok and then THIS happens.... I think it was well orchestrated. Fucked us really well and raw. Plus, it makes it more realistic. In real life you can't predict/plan your way of dying, it could be at any moment in the most meaningless or stupid way. We don't live in a movie that makes every little bit have a great meaning or symbolism. And this series is all about real life situations and feelings, even if they present it comedy/fairytale - like. Raw, unpredictable, heart wrecking. And a glorious death does not make you a glorious person if you weren't one, neither does a meaningless/uninteresting death make you meaningless if you have been a legend in your life. Death does not define you, doesn't change what you were. At least that's my opinion! I think it was nice. Oh, and also making him die so randomly and so soon after he started being warm in his heart and being cared for by the crew and not living on to enjoy this new life increases the pain, so yeah, I stand by what I said XD
Though i agree the scene was a bit random i do think that it made sense for him to not go out with a big deamatuc scene but in a very simple way? Idk just my personal taste
Its been months since i saw this for the first time and watching it again, I still cried a lot. His acting is incredible!!!
I was never a fan of Stede and Ed, the only reason I loved season 1 so much was due to the crew, they were the stars of the show for me. Just like how in season 2, Izzy was the one shinning until this pitiful and meaningless death. Others pointed it out but why does Izzy has to apologize to Ed? Sure he was not innocent himself but compared to Ed's "apology", this felt pointless. As if killing Izzy erased all Ed's own crimes and everything was forgotten. The pacing oh fuck the pacing was awful, barely anyone cried at his funeral and then wedding as if they didn't care at all about him at all. You can blame Max for this but THEY knew they had 8 episodes, it was their jobs to write a story that wouldn't feel rushed. But more than this: I also absolutely HATE that the one character that has to die is the disabled/suicidal one. Do you realize how triggering that is?! Especially in a show that was supposed to be found families/opening to LGBTQ+ people? Being disabled and having those suicidal ideas, it was absolutely awful. This season ends on episode 6 for me and a new season? Not going to watch, never. Good for you if you loved it but understand that not everyone is going to have a similar opinion based on their personal experience and should not be silenced nor criticized for having a different one.
Oh also: ripping Izzy's leg to use it for the cross was fucking disrespectful but not like anyone seems to realize this.
I completely agree with this whole thing. I was called dramatic for being triggered by this whole thing, and it's so validating to hear someone else agree with me. You are not alone, my friend. I'm a survivor of a really abusive relationship, and I saw a lot of myself in Izzy this season--just brushing it off, making apologies and excuses. I used to do all of that, and I was hoping they would acknowledge just how much Izzy sacrificed himself for the sake of the crew, and they didn't. They killed him off instead. I am very disappointed.
From what I read about season 2 (I'm trying to not let it taint my WIP Izzy fanfic), it just seems like the queer fandom fan service cannot be rejected even at the expense of the one straight man doing at least 70% of the acting among these muppets. I never intend on watching a full episode of season 2... Only Izzy clips... But really, a land burial?! The prosthetic as a grave marker, wtf?! These fuckers are hopeless without Izzy!
Bit sad he got killed for someone else's arc after having so much great development. Still, masterful scene. Finale was a mess, but a beautiful mess.
I just found out today that the show was cancelled, and it feels so much like this... :,-(
How is it that I f**** hated Izzy in season 1, and now I am here crying my eyes out for him.
After his redemption this season, (I already loved him as an antagonist) and èspecially that song and make-over that completely took me by surprise; made this moment hurt so much more.
I hope they do a season 3 and make Izzy haunt Blackbeard and/or Stede
Ive watched this an unhealthy amount of times
This part makes me emotional me who had l lot of loves ones that passed away it hard not to cry at this part
I genuinely came across this video while I still didn’t watch the episode. I watched the thumbnail, read “s2 e8 Izzy-“ and closed the page thinking “No no no it can’t be.” Watched the episode tonight.
It was.
he’s fine.
i hate this ending. it makes no sense narratively. there was an entire season spent of izzy being described as indestructible, surviving so many deadly wounds, only to go down in a way previously established on the show is very improbable (he got shot on the left side - ed himself said the left side doesn’t have any major organs). not to mention he underwent an incredible character redemption arc, became the best captain and friend for those around him, only to be killed like that? the ending wouldn’t have been different at *all* if he would have lived. ed and stede could still have had their happy gay ending without izzy’s brutal murder - and the wedding would have been happier!
his last words didn’t even mean anything. he tells ed he is surrounded by loving family when it was never officially established they forgave him and love him; not only that, but then ed immediately leaves said loving family for some whim-prone dream with his sweetheart.
stede showed no remorse during the funeral, and why did nobody come up to izzy and tell him how loved he was? why did nobody step up and tell him they are grateful he saved them? why did izzy’s last words have to be wasted on the man who tortured and abused him for so long, *apologizing* to him instead of it being the other way around? why didn’t we get just a minute more - a minute of them crying, grieving, mourning, instead of just throwing the wedding and inn at us?
tl;dr i am incredibly disatisfied with this ending because it only served for shock value and added nothing to the story.
Why would Stede show remorse?
Didn't he already move on from being stabbed and sold out to the British? Didn't he save Izzy when he didn't have to?
Why should he feel remorse?
Ah, Izzy literally admitted to forcing Ed to be something he didn't want to be for years (out of a selfish desire). Ed was bored, sûicidal and Izzy knew it and still kept pushing him to be Blackbeard.
What happened between them was mutual abuse. Baby girl Izzy did abuse Ed for years, then belittled him and threatened him until the reactive abuse began and he suddenly began to realize he had started something he couldn't control.
Yes, Ed didn't apologize, but there's nothing wrong with Izzy doing it, especially after what he did to Ed.
I'm calling it now for season 3: there's gonna be another limbo scene with Izzy for either Stede or Ed. Mostly Stede since Ed already had one with his old captain.
Izzy's final raspy growly voice getting lighter, as his hand remains tangled in Ed's beard as he took his last breath.
Izzy didn't deserve this. After finally growing and becoming part of a community, after creating connections and protecting the crew from Ed, only he has to apologise as he dies? Only he gets no happy ending? Ed gave the shittiest apology for his abuse of Izzy, and yes it is abuse when you cut someone's toes off and then make him lose his leg, and he just gets off scot-free? The crew he's bonded with don't even get a final farewell with him. I love Con's acting for the scene but I feel so cheated. There was no meaning to his death. It wasn't necessary. He deserved better than this.
they killed my baby girl!?????
Izzy had the voice of an angel.
Guys i thought they were gonna get revenge for izzy, why did stede and ed live in a random cottage all of the sudden
Well, considering Zheng wants to kill the same guy and Ed really doesn't like being a pirate, it makes sense to me.
You heard Stede. Ed really isn't in the right headspace right now.
That will probably happen in season 3
Struck me that Ed and Izzy have a complicated relationship, part friendship/family and toxicity. They fed the darkness in each other, till Ed became a force of nature Izzy couldnt control. They were a friendship that waxxed and waned accordingly. But saw the goodness still in each other. The budget cuts and cancellation reminds me of what HBO did to Rome, too rushed and Izzys death was clearly meant for series 3, but I'm so glad i saw the series we got in it's wonderful beauty
That last line is iconic. Just be...
Ill probably be called a delusional izzy fan for this but I genuinely think his death, as well as the finale, was badly written. He didnt have to die. He couldve been the revenge's new captain, as he was their 'new unicorn'. He grew so much over the season to just...die? And be buried on land, when his heart was for the sea? Also, his whole life he has been devoted to Ed, been by Ed's side, stayed with Ed, loved Ed, suffered with and because of Ed, and now, died in Ed's arms. He never got a life outside of Ed. We got a glimpse of it when the crew made him a leg, but in the end he will always be under Ed's feet, now literally as he is buried right in the ground next to the inn he inhabits. 'At least he died happy' dying happy for someone is not the same as dying happy because you are satisfied of your life and at peace. Dont even get me started on stede and ed's relationship...
I miss him
it’s not fair 😭 no my baby
This scene is very sad but what bugs me more are the continuity errors! Fang moves spots drastically from the shots of Ed and Izzy(he’s sitting on the left) to the shots of just the rest of the crew (he’s standing in the back). Seems like Stede and Roach might too (though you could argue they’re just obscured by Ed but meh I don’t buy it lol). I wish they paid more attention to this when editing, it takes my attention away from the important bits!
There were more of such errors in S2.
@CBearzatto Oh yeah I noticed, like in Episode 5 there's one with Lucius (that's the only one I can think of right now)
@@camillecreations88 The amputation-scene looked odd, too.
@@CBearzattothey had a much smaller budget and timetable so I kind of understand . But it’s sad
@@dennydraws8083 YES
izzy could never get together with ed because he loved blackbeard, opposite to how stede fell in love with ed
My heart is broken.
Not the title 😔😭😭
NOOOOOOO
NOOOOO F*CK OFF!! I HATE THIS SHOW! 😭😭💔
Omg Izzzyyyyy 😰😪😭
Hopefully the crew will go after the guy who did this to Izzy.
Он будет жить в наших сердцах...
Not available where I live :c
#IzzyHandsLive
they killed best character lol
my heart goes out to you Izzy. miss ya
thinking about playing Sea of Thieves with my toon called Izzy
NOOOO
Nooo my bbg don't die you're too secsee :((
Oh Izzy! Making me love you as you die, freeing Ed from Blackbeard!
I KNEW IT!!!!
I’m Sorry but Roach middle finger was sooo not necessary
I'll be sorry along with you! ;) Yeah, it was just... wrong.
I actually don't think it was malicious. I have many issues with Izzy's death, but I think Roach flipping off the cross was out of affection. Izzy's catchphrase was "fuck off" and I think he was just giving Izzy a send-off that would be Izzy approved.
Sorry, english is not my first language and so I couldn't really grab all the words he's saing. Can someone help me and write down Izzy's words please? Just Izzy's, he's the one I'm having trouble fully understand
does anyone know the song called 2:11 ?
That's Alright by Hålken Hellström
They love u.
this just felt so ... offputtingly empty and strange to me. like i know the foreshadowing was there, but it still felt _off_ emotionally somehow. this followed by the happily ever after scene at the end made me feel so utterly sick for some reason. by no means a dig at anyone who worked on the show, it just didn't land for me i guess 💔
Can we all agree that the writing for the latter half of the season, especially the final episode, was kind of shit? It was rushed, didn't really make sense, and killed off a fan favorite which I believe didn't fit the vibe of the show at all. Regardless, it was well acted. But the plot was just so rushed these last couple episodes!
Budget!
@@Griwhoolda Ah, bingo. Do you know if the writer's strike affected things too?
bye izzy
Okay, I’ll admit I’m not the hugest Izzy fan and neither was my partner when they started watching the show. In fact, they hated him lol. Never liked Izzy and how he treated the crew and especially Ed in season 1. When we both started watching season 2, I was sorta taken aback by the whole vibe around it. The second season felt. off. I know im not the only one. I didn’t hate how they killed off Izzy. But I can see how it rubbed some people off the wrong way. And even I have to admit, I knew someone was gonna die, and I figured it would be Izzy, but the way it was executed just seemed. Eh??? Like did he really need to die?? After all the progress and development his character was getting in season 2??? Me n my partner were starting to love Izzy! It sucks how this show got cancelled abruptly. Could’ve gottten to see so much more. Season 2 felt like a pat on the back instead of a hug.
O título me pegou kakakakakak
Yeah no season 3 for me even if renewed. This season was league's worse than season 1 but izzy's redemption was the best storyline in the entire show. The one show I thought wouldn't bury its lgbt characters. Still a beautiful scene.
This feels so rushed. Killing off a character just after giving him (the beginning of) a redemption arc. I don't think I'll watch a 3. season either.
i wouldn't call this a bury your gays moment like you're insinuating. any death in this show would be killing an lgbt character because everyone is gay
yeah nah this season was amazing, here' to the next season !
Any death on this show would be burying your gays…they’re all gay. I’m sad Izzy died, but it does free Ed to “just be Ed” and it was a beautiful intimate death scene. RIP Israel Hands. 💔❤💔
@@koguma8823Thank you for saying this. People can feel however they want about how Izzy’s story was handled, but to say his death was contributing to bury the gays is crazy to me… they’re all queer! I’m heartbroken over Izzy’s death, but it’s not like it was just another homophobic trope.
My only wish is that I could die as gracefully as Izzy did.
But WHY would they not give Izzy a proper sea burial?! Someone could steal his stuff off the grave marker! Too much suspension of reality, and I'm perfectly aware this is a show... But come on! Really?!
Could have at least kissed Izzy’s forehead.
No!!! I was waiting for Izzy to be cool from his first appearance, you cant just kill him after it finally happens!
😢 he was my example of "I can fix him - says man who is worse"
Izzy was the most interesting character in Season 1 and Con carried season 2. Not sure how they will go on without him. This season was such a disappointment. The first season was one of the best pieces of media in a long time and they just…ruined it. Shoved too many storylines all at once and took away a seasons worth of character development for half the cast and tried to fill it with one dimensional new characters. It’s just so sad. I really hope this was the last season.
This was so rushed and forced, and I felt like it was just done for shock value. I don't really mind that Izzy died.
I'm bothered about why and how it happened, and how it was played out simply for Ed's 'development'. It felt so out of nowhere and cheap.
Youre syrtounded mt fa
Miky
whelp my entire reason for watching this show just died
This was so unnecessary.