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I never looked to Lennon to provide me with the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, etc. I just liked his music. I like some of Steely Dan's songs, but not as many or as much as Lennon's.
You said what I wanted to say wonderfully!!!! I wasn't much into Steely Dan - I didn't know any of this. I didn't even realize John was an activist. I didn't keep on him - just his music (and could really have done without Yoko. 😵💫
@@marilynking4003 Yoko ratted out McCartney, to her cousin in Japanese customs. w/ no rat involved, a perfect idiot could've told them Paul might just have ...maybe,..a little reefer w/ him. Paul cancelled a Japanese tour, and spent 10 days in Maximum security. by year's end, Lennon is dead, and Paul is stuck for life w/ Yoko as a business associate.flashing phony smiles in public, going along to get along. some versions of the story have a reluctant cousin on the other end of that phone, as he didn't want to do it. she was not above sending some crooked ex-cop after someone. read Fishman's book 'The Last Days of John Lennon.' obscure, but informative account of a 'gopher' for the Lennons. he was there 'til the end. he was a victim of a couple ex-cops she had on her payroll, 'cause he supposedly promised JL that a certain personal folder (if need be) be given to Julian Lennon. that only means one thing. DON'T let Yoko have it. my "facts" aren't reliable like the book. so get it, second hand, as I feel I've opened a can of worms irresponsibly. don't trust MY memory.
I love Steely Dan I love John Lennon, and I love Just Gimme Some Truth, however Imagine always struck me as blindly naive anti religious nonsense, yeh it expresses a desire for a better world, but if you think for a second that getting rid of God and religion will change human nature and human hearts you are not enlightened you are just deluded. In fact apart from God the human species is hopelessly doomed to extinction, the only hope is for God to intervene, and many people know that God is real and that he has intervened in their lives, and their lives have been radically changed, and that includes myself.
Some may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one……John was putting it out there. I don’t think that he or anybody else thought it would come true. With a song like, “Give Peace a Chance,” it is a plea to try not an invitation to join a ridiculous cult. Is it forbidden to even try. So nobody should entertain the thought that maybe we shouldn’t butcher each other throughout all time because that is just the way it is. Humans are nasty, evil brutes and nobody should EVER entertain any idea that we could stop being evil because we would be naive? Nobody should even think about it. I mean the very idea of humans living in peace, nobody utter a thought of humans being peaceful or the realists of the world will tear into you like sharks. Nobody ever again even make a suggestion even implying that humanity has even the slightest chance of being peaceful. He’s I am Pissed that we humans are not doing better. We are not hopeless slaves to violence!
The pendulum has swung the opposite way for now thanks to Donald Trump fooling a lot of people all of the time. Luckily, his embrace of fascism and blowing up our government and economy will hasten the swing away from this extremist episode in our history. This blatant attempt to baknkrupt the working class while offering huge tax breaks for his billionaire friends will not go over well, along with $8.00 for a dozen eggs. He's trying so hard to be Putin that he's ignoring his own base and the pain they will suffer when their food stamps are cut along with medicaid, medicare, and Social Security. The Trump administration's intentional cruelty towards the working people will cost them congress in 2026 as long as we still can manage to hold real elections by then.
I love how these "dreamers" whine "give peace a chance" as if 99% of the world is giving peace a chance. The other 1% however ruin it for the rest of us. The dreamers are spitting into the wind.
Steely dan does have a point that john is very idealistic and foolish. To me steely dan is better than john’s solo career. Some of my favorites are only a fool would say that, everyone’s gone to the movies, bad sneaker, the 2nd arrangement, charlie freak amd i’ve got the news. I loved all their albums.
Steely Dan is spot on, Imagine is a silly anthem for rich globalists. Playing it at Jimmy Carter’s funeral was the epitome of tone deafness. 🎼 Imagine there’s no heaven🎶
I LOVE Steely Dan but I was and am still a HUGE Beatles fan! In closing, I wonder that down through the ages, which one of those two songs of Lennon and Steely Dan will be remembered the most?! In that I think there is no comparison!
@@pjmurphy920 You are free to love him if you like. He is the quintessential Hollywood elite that talks a lotta crap on what he hates, but is too lazy, superior and privileged to do anything about it.
@@pjmurphy920 Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought he was killed by someone with severe mental problems who thought he was the real John Lennon. He killed a man he believed was a deceitful imitator.
Saw Steely Dan once here in Aus, they never played even one of their hits, just long meandering jazz stuff, every song sounded the same as if it was one song on repeat, never been so disappointed in a live show. Cheers
Steely Dan is not for everyone they're aimed at adults especially players and are indeed brilliant with some of the best players in the history of music , that said I like the Beatles but it's a different ball game.
Don’t taken the wrong way. He was including himself as part of that imaginary thought..he’s also imagining no possessions. He can’t help it if he made millions with his brilliant songwriting
Yea that's right, but he started out with nothing. Thinking just in terms of material things any other meaning gets lost, but I guess that is where we are.
I think Lennon was saying how the world should be. That is why he used the word imagine. Who doesn't think at some time a situation could be better or even ideal. A job, your health, life in general. Buying a lottery ticket right. If this was truly the attitude of Steely Dan had then I guess they should have put out a song imagining gloom and doom. Remember then don't dream, don't imagine, just accept what is happening and live with it. Steely Dan, actually a group I like, should have put out an album based on Dante's Inferno, "Abandon all hope ye who enter here".
Yeah it's kind of a dumb and deeply cynical interpretation and response. What's wrong with imagining good things or setting goals? Lennon's song was not a hot-off-the-presses news story or a take on the present day and clearly not meant to be. Pretty much the opposite, and hope that we can extricate ourselves from our problems at least eventually, and celebrate the good parts of our spirit. Who is that hurting and how?
John came from a culture which had an healthcare system, which was free at point of use and a social care system which made it difficult to ' hit the concrete ', . The US is different illness can bankrupt your family and two pieces of bad luck and you are on the street, thus when he wrote 'All you need is love', within those bounds he was accurate, not being American and having been raised in a more compassionate country.
Sure, current US health care costs are out of control -- but it didn't used to be that way. Americans declaring bankruptcy due to the cost of healthcare between the 1940s (when Lennon was born into that compassionate British system) and the 1960s (when he wrote the song) was virtually unheard of.
Steely Dan's mocking of John Lennon's "Imagine" is tame stuff compared to Lennon's scathing critique of Paul McCartney's solo work, "How Do You Sleep?" McCartney replied with a brilliant imitation of Lennon's musical style, "Let Me Roll It."
When I saw the tagline of this on my menu my first thought was- oh well here we go again, more gossip from the past. But being a hypocrite as well as a huge fan of both Dan and the Beatles I was pleasantly surprised to find that I agreed wholeheartedly with Fagan and Becker, even though at least half of my own children disapprove of me in saying that Imagine was the worst thing any/all-of the Beatles had ever done, including Helter Skelter and Revolution #9. Sure, like with today, there was so much of the early 70s that was dreadful, but Imagine was as stated a naive reaction to it, reducing all the problems of the world to religion and personal possessions- in a world of which most inhabitants have so few, rather than say military-industrial complexes, pampered oligarchs, greedy corporate officers dissolving jobs for a year end bonus and politicians caving to special interest groups' social agendas rather than fighting homelessness, hunger, a broken healthcare system and not fighting for new ways of keeping workers employed. "You may say" Lennon's song says that, but no it doesn't; it doesn't even come close. It was about as useful as the message in a fortune cookie.
Before you can achieve you must believe. I think that has more to do with Lennon’s song than naïveté. He wasn’t saying this is how it is, he was saying imagine it being better. I am a huge Steely Dan fan even though I think this song was a d1@% move. Lennon is okay too.
Yeah, like did you see his beautiful home he was singing Imagine from? I said, 'he's got everything he can can say that.' But I loved the song and I loved him! Imagine there's no heaven? No! But still - it was just a song, not to be taken literally, just to enjoy, and imagine if we can do that it's all good.
Being able to mock people who have a different life experience, better education and different ideals sounds like a great quality for making a career in politics.
I was intrigued by this story and thus compelled to leave a comment! Steely Dan was named after a steam 🚂 powered dildo! A weird and strange fact! I am a fan of S D, and enjoy 🎧 listening to a nunber of their hits, but them criticizing Lennon is callous and heartless, even though Lennon himself was no saint with numerous accusations of alleged wrong doings! His message in the song Imagine is hopeful and optimistic! It's meant to be aspiring for all humanity! To strive for collective love, compassion and empathy 🌎🌍 world wide! What's wrong with hoping and wishing for a better existence and life experience? One can always hope for the dark 🌑, ominous, neferious, sinister and enigmatic ☁️🌨️ cloud to finally rise and bring true relief and freedom! It may not 🚫 happen in our lifetime, or ever, but hope always reigns eternal! If we continue in our current trajectory, we are more than likely beyond saving and headed for inevitable inailation! Erased from existence until The Universe decides to give us another chance I guess! Who really knows! Take care! 5:17
I have mixed feelings about the message of Lennon's "Imagine". A world without countries and religions in constant conflict with each other definitely seems desirable. But people need possessions. Property rights are a central and necessary part of living a truly human life.
Personally I was never a big Lennon fan after the Beatles, who I really liked. I love Paul McCartney's music, post Beatles. But, I really liked Steely Dan's music as well, Rikki don't Lose That Number was the first song of theirs I liked.
can't stand that tune. nothing personal. Steely Dan, tho, were highly talented. in fact, during "Rikki" they do kick around some interesting musical ideas. but overall, as a song, I never got it.
While I agree that Steely Dan is really good, I disagree that the Dan was a group. Steely Dan is (was, before Walter Fagan passed) two men who had unmistakable talent in writing and composing music. They had the gift of attracting the best in other musicians to fill the ranks for their gorgeous songs. I saw the Dan in Dallas before Walter Fagan passed away and they were just as good as in the beginning. I saw that Walter was in a strange mental place and he was waxing philosophical during the show. Still, very enjoyable😎
Fagan and Becker were perfect for each other, self-important/appointed hipsters. Yes, their compositions and executions are about as flawless as they come, total ear-candy and exceptional individual musicianship, with benchmark mixes and mastering. But there is no joy or hope in anything they do. Its mostly negative and sardonic, and needlessly cryptic: their messages are largely inside for their own personal stimulation. Have you ever seen Fagan smile?
That they chose to call themselves Steely Dan says it all about their negative outlook. The name was created by one of the greatest cynics of all time, William S. Burrows. (see: Naked Lunch)
Wow so many to mention Peg, Babylon Sister, Black Cow, Deacon Blues and honorable mention from one of Donald Fagen's solo projects I.G.Y (P.S. there's still some I'm leaving out I was able to catch them in Philly in Atlantic City.
Steely Dan had a very good sound that set them apart from other groups. Loved maby or their hit songs, no particular favorite, just a lot of favorites.
I love Steely Dan. But I can't remember a single person ever saying they were in the least affected by or interested in this song. Quite the opposite for the Lennon song it's supposedly trying to counter.
Steely Dan is one of my all time favourite bands EVER! Here At The Western World or Kid Charlemagne are two standout tracks. (There are a lot more) Insightful lyrics with great music equals Steely Dan. I grew up listening to the Beatles and John Lennon, I continued to grow listening to Steely Dan through-out the years. I am just guessing here but that was John Lennon's vision of an utopian society. Philosophers have often quoted the ideal society through out the ages Lennon set his to music. Great video thanks for sharing and posting! Cheers!
Well,…. First of all, John never proclaimed himself “the smart Beatle” and, I understand Steely Dan likes to be smarter than thou contrarians - all well and good - but they’re really showing their stupidity here. Imagine is a thought experiment, not a prescription for how to live. Nobody ever thought it was. 😂
Lennon said about Imagine it's just asong when pulled up over things he'd done contrary to the idealism depicted in the song Imagine. also I think people read too much into lyrics of bands like The Beatles.
@ let’s agree to meet up in 100 years and see who’s right. As far as your point the rereleases that are selling now are not a true indicator of future relevance.
I still love Steely Dan!! Aja and Deacon Blues are my favorites!❤ The Beatles were wow at first but Steely Dan is still loved by me. I do love Lennon's Imagine and Woman. Imagine is beautiful. Like others, I feel that Yoko broke up The Beatles.
Nah, The Beatles broke up the Beatles along with help from Alan Klien who in BTW helped Peter Ham end his life. Of course the others didn't like Yoko being in the studio, but it was way before that John and George wanted to go their own way. If it hadn't been for Alan Klien (for which John trusted) and many law suits because of him they could've went off did their own thing but could still work together as they wanted. The lawsuits drove a deep wedge
i always liked steely dan but always thought they were arrogant bastards. like their music was the only music worth listening to. i think they actually once said that
Named a daughter inspired by a Steely Dan song at a time way before it was cool to name a girl such. Have a daughter in law who long ago had the word Imagine tattooed on her back, where neck and shoulder connect. Morning, informed John Lennon died, began with weeping. Always liked John Lennon right from the start. Have crush on Ono Yoko, too. Steely Dan fan also. Steely Dan is a name of a character in the novel, Naked Lunch, from which was derived the name of the band.
Was a character in "Naked Lunch" a dildo? That's what a "Steely Dan" actually is. Next time read your wiki, or whatever you source a little more carefully! Sorry but you are the first person that I've ever heard of having a crush on Yoko!
Steely Dan's criticism of Lennon is unwarranted. There was another guy who said some pretty pie-in-the-sky stuff. Things like, "Love your enemies, turn the other cheek, and Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Was he out of touch as well?
No, because he walked the walk. Lennon, who I enjoyed immensely was also a big phony. Steely Dan had some great tunes and a lot of pretentious nonsense as well.
I was thought of Steely Dan as a band for people who are snobs. Usually college students that think that there’s too smart for everybody else. They don’t really like groups like Led Zeppelin. They’re just way too snotty for that. Growing up I like I thought their singles were OK but something about the Aja album just bugged me. Maybe it’s the fact that they put a review of the album inside of the cover. Snob music made by snobby people for snobby people.
It’s laughable to make Steely Dan sound so daring because they dissed John Lennon in a yawn of a song. Steely Dan were not punk rockers. They were cocktail hour yacht smoozers. 🤣
Imagine is a deeply thoughtful song. Deacon Blues is my favorite Steely Dan song in spite of its cynicism: Drink Scotch whiskey all night long and die behind the wheel. They got a name for the winners of this world (I) I want a name when I lose. They call Alabama the Crimson Tide, they call me Deacon Blue.
I Love the Beatles of course but John was my least favorite, I absolutely hate "imagine", just a stupid song, Fagan was right about that. As for Steely Dan, I love their work, just incredible !
Fagen is the fool in the end. In nearly every musical instance, Lennon's straight-from-the-heart lyrics, buttressed by his simple but subtle chord structures, tower over Steely Dan's pompous sarcasm and pretentious pseudo-jazz compositions and will continue to do so till the end of time. Fagen takes offense at John's idealism but has no problem naming his band after a dildo featured in a book by a wife-killer. For all their technical skill, Steely Dan's music--though sometimes amusing and complex--has always left me cold. If I want jazz, I'll listen to the real thing.
Sometimes great musicians are just that, nothing more. That's Fagan. Trying to diss a legend for expressing his dream is juvenile and misguided. Lennon wasn't predicting anything, just dreaming about what could be if people weren't such holes like Fagen. I put Bob Dylan in the same category. A poetic genius, but an insecure world-class hole.
I prefer every other song on that LP 'Imagine', to the title tune. 'Gimme some truth' being one. and this retort by SD, is BORRIINNG!! but the guitar solo on 'Reeling in the years', is quite possibly the best I ever heard. they didn't need to dick around dissing Lennon.
I always liked the line, " Bodhisattva, I'm gonna sell my ass in town...", but there's no accounting for taste. Both bands had something interesting to say, and their music was as different as chalk and cheese.
it took my friend's intervention w/ a cassette in his car, to convince me that they were a GREAT band, and 'Bodhisattva' sealed the deal. God bless you, JW. it wasn't the 1st or last time you introduced me to great music.
A song that Yoko basically wrote and John turned it into a "product". A while back after seeing this song being talked about I looked up the value of the mansion and the Steinway alone and in today's money it would be pretty astounding. Steinway even did a limited run on a reproduction of the piano. It's a pretty naive thought, Imagine and has it's roots in communism of all things. Yoko is Japanese which makes it and her even more baffling like she was some kind of intelligence honeytrap. John was damaged goods so he was ripe for the picking. People think the mental illness of the average celebrity today is "epic" and "novel" but that's because they either forget about John & Yoko or never knew about them and their shenanigans. CIA/MI6 take your pick.
@@CB-xr1eg She has writer's credit to Imagine now. Some writers live off of one song for the rest of their lives. I suspect something more sinister though, like she was some kind of MI6/CIA cutout.
Love John and the Beatles. I don’t think anyone can really criticize John forn dreaming. Artists respect each other and admire what they have laid at our feet. From there we go forward. Peace.
Steely Dan.....remember the bands name, could never have told you their individual names. John Lennon.....immeasurable contributions to music both as an individual artist and with the greatest band of all time. Most anyone in the world knows his name. Steely Dan, just shut up!
Now I like a lot of what Steely Dan produced, and I was not a John Lennon worshipper like many-- actually I was annoyed with that since though I'm not the smartest guy in the room, I read people quite well and thought many people were missing Lennon's arrogance... HOWEVER, I like to be fair and cautious about overcorrection, which we humans do probably more often than any other mistake. Lennon's approach and delivery was idealistic, and far too much of a Hail Mary pass attempt to fix everything. This I agree with. Fagen overcorrected as well, though. This is a perfect time to revisit this disturbing phenomenon that I think will likely never be diminished to a world-"saving' level, but NOT because we CAN'T do it, but because we keep on believing we can't. Then we go back the other way too far. Typical. So John's message was over the top idealistic, so we just give up? Of course somebody's going to say "well no we aren't giving up!", but things are going the opposite direction from what you and I both know, would have been better had we at least got as many people to think the way "Imagine" suggests!! I grew up poor, and am still poor, but happy and healthy. I don't need to ignore a call for peace and try to talk people into buying what they don't need for a price that isn't fair... just to be "successful". The balance of it all I can't figure out any more than anybody else, but the extremes against Lennon's vision (many people's vision-- because it's right).... have only grown again. Too many persistent, capitalistic robotic psychopaths have convinced everyone they were playing a game, and no matter how anyone gets an unfair start being rich from family or all odds in their favor or against, they are supposed to just make it on their own. Of course that's also unrealistic. By the way, Lennon did know what it was like to be poor. So bust on Lennon's lyrics sent from on high all you want-- I find it inappropriate as well-- but it IS in the right direction, unless you want something like "Elysium" to come true. That's where it's going and you know it.
Keith Jarrett sued Steely Dan for plagiarism and won. The band also ripped off Horace Silver's 'Song for my Father', stealing the opening piano riff and using it for 'Ricky Don't Lose My Number'. Screw them. Their tepid jazz pop rock pastiche will be forgotten sooner or later. Hopefully sooner.
I've been a Huge fan of the Beatles since I saw them on the Ed Sullivan show. Love them. But I also love Steely Dan. John Lennons "Imagine" was probably his worst song imo. "In My Life" was far superior.
the same silly ass reason(s) half the videos on YT suck out loud, these days. they're strictly phoning in the visual. it's a little like when MTV came on, they soon were giving us visuals that filled time, instead of having ANY narrative support for the tune. I'll tell you who made a great video. 'RAINBOW, 'it can't happen here'.it makes sense even today. it SAYS something! and we need to pay attention to it.
I never liked the Beatles for some unknown reason and I grew up in the 50’s & 60’. Imagine is so cringe to me, an absolute Marxist lie. “You will own nothing and you will be happy.” No utopia w/out God & our repentance. Loved Steely Dan tho’ 😁
Imagine is a “ conceptual “ song… it’s ridiculous to connect John Lennon to the state of NYC in the ‘70s… quite a reach… Facts Verse … huh 🤔… ok whatever you want to call yourself…
I'm with Steely Dan on this dispute. Although I've loved The Beatles since 1965, Lennon's solo output was very uneven, and "Imagine" is one of his weakest songs, naive and obvious as well as being just plain wrong in its message.
… and thus ushering the materialistic greedy conservative era where selfishness reigned supreme that we are still not out of. Unfortunately this is actually my favorite song from them and disappointing that this is the message they chose to send with it when what it actually reveals more is Fagens humongous envy and JEALOUSY of Lennon, much like Pete Townsends with, well literally everyone. It’s this door knob mentality to take Lennons words literally for the world we live in at the present but for a world to aspire for where everyone is taken care of by humanities cooperation with each other. It just reveals the shallow petty mentality of the very people who obstruct this reality from emerging. The only fool here will eternally be Fagen.
To be fair, Imagine is far from being one of John's best. You could choose from Strawberry Fields Forever, A Day In The Life, Across The Universe to name just 3 that are much better.
John Lennon, even in death carried on as the poster boy for smugness. It took almost a decade after Lennon died for BONO to unseat Lennon as the most smug, self-righteous, neigh possibly the holiest man to walk in our spiritual realm until Al Gore road in on his eco-friendly, fart free horse to claim part ownership of the magical horse. Both men, humble men are forever fighting for the privilege of getting to be known as the ass end of the horse. Still too early to determine who is going to be known as the biggest horses' ass. Stay and follow the story,
Glad to hear John taken down a notch or two. I like a few Beatles songs, but I've always thought the group to be over-rated as musicians. Yeah, they had a huge cultural impact, but mostly with the lowest common denomination of music consumers. JMHO, but Becker (RIP) and Fagan were head and shoulders above the Beatles in pure musicianship. Another great musical genius from waaaaaay South of the Border, Brazil's Milton Nascimento, also took a dig at the Beatles with a great song, "Para Lennon e McCartney", especially as covered by "Friends from Rio" (can be found with a TH-cam search). Incidentally, the late great Wayne Shorter played with both Steely Dan (great solo on Aja) and Milton ('Miracle of the Fishes', on Wayne's album, Native Dancer).
Why did you put JMHO? You're obviously NOT being humble as you're assuming your opinion is correct. Millions of people worldwide disagree with you and have done so for many years. You may say they're overrated but that's foolish. It comes down to personal musical taste. Just because you don't like something it's wrong, not to mention lazy, to dismiss it as overrated.
Well first of all you can blame the crash of our industrial country on the government. By taxing the crap out of our industrial Industries and letting countries do some of our manufacturing in their own country that don't have a clue how to do things correctly never did never will. Take our cars and trucks for instance some of them is made in Mexico some of its made in China someone made in some other fourth world country that don't have a clue what they're doing and then you wonder why there's so many recalls in these vehicles. Millions of people got let go tempers started flaring when they don't have enough money and cannot buy a loaf of bread to feed their family.
@@CB-xr1eg I really do like that song honestly. I also really like "The War Is Over". But I can't really buy in to all the lyrics. The sentiment is meant to be positive and encouraging, and I do appreciate that. But I can't take certain slogans literally. However, among extremely famous people, Lennon stayed grounded in some ways that many others don't. So I hope that any criticisms don't get taken as any kind of a dis.
Steely Dan are arrogant and make complicated music for the sake of it. It’s musical wanking. Their music is so perfected it comes across as antiseptic and akin to Muzak. The Beatles were 4 guys who did it mostly themselves. They didn’t need to bring in 20 guitarists to find the “perfect” solo. Steely Dan’s arrogance is unparalleled.
As always Americans take everything Literally. And everything is absolute so you only have two simplistic tribes to keep you always separated. Black/White, Left/Right nothing inbetween. Songs and Movements trying to show how we are more similar than different and can lead to majority decisions that are good for us (you know Democracy...now a Distant memory in the USA as the Far Right Tribe has won) are Aspirational and give hope to people to aim for something better. America SHOT Hope away JFK, MLK, RFK and JL.
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I never looked to Lennon to provide me with the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, etc. I just liked his music. I like some of Steely Dan's songs, but not as many or as much as Lennon's.
i couldn't agree with you more but i don't think they were mocking lennon per se (just composing one of their better songs)!
You said what I wanted to say wonderfully!!!! I wasn't much into Steely Dan - I didn't know any of this. I didn't even realize John was an activist. I didn't keep on him - just his music (and could really have done without Yoko. 😵💫
@@marilynking4003 Yoko ratted out McCartney, to her cousin in Japanese customs. w/ no rat involved, a perfect idiot could've told them Paul might just have ...maybe,..a little reefer w/ him. Paul cancelled a Japanese tour, and spent 10 days in Maximum security. by year's end, Lennon is dead, and Paul is stuck for life w/ Yoko as a business associate.flashing phony smiles in public, going along to get along. some versions of the story have a reluctant cousin on the other end of that phone, as he didn't want to do it. she was not above sending some crooked ex-cop after someone. read Fishman's book 'The Last Days of John Lennon.' obscure, but informative account of a 'gopher' for the Lennons. he was there 'til the end. he was a victim of a couple ex-cops she had on her payroll, 'cause he supposedly promised JL that a certain personal folder (if need be) be given to Julian Lennon. that only means one thing. DON'T let Yoko have it. my "facts" aren't reliable like the book. so get it, second hand, as I feel I've opened a can of worms irresponsibly. don't trust MY memory.
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I saw STEELY Dan in 1992 in Irvine. It to this day is STILL one of the greatest shows I have ever seen….
Fun stuff, thanks for sharing your life story. What is your most memorable song of Steely Dan?
Show biz kids….
I love Steely Dan I love John Lennon, and I love Just Gimme Some Truth, however Imagine always struck me as blindly naive anti religious nonsense, yeh it expresses a desire for a better world, but if you think for a second that getting rid of God and religion will change human nature and human hearts you are not enlightened you are just deluded. In fact apart from God the human species is hopelessly doomed to extinction, the only hope is for God to intervene, and many people know that God is real and that he has intervened in their lives, and their lives have been radically changed, and that includes myself.
Yep.
Some may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one……John was putting it out there. I don’t think that he or anybody else thought it would come true. With a song like, “Give Peace a Chance,” it is a plea to try not an invitation to join a ridiculous cult. Is it forbidden to even try. So nobody should entertain the thought that maybe we shouldn’t butcher each other throughout all time because that is just the way it is. Humans are nasty, evil brutes and nobody should EVER entertain any idea that we could stop being evil because we would be naive? Nobody should even think about it. I mean the very idea of humans living in peace, nobody utter a thought of humans being peaceful or the realists of the world will tear into you like sharks. Nobody ever again even make a suggestion even implying that humanity has even the slightest chance of being peaceful.
He’s I am
Pissed that we humans are not doing better. We are not hopeless slaves to violence!
The pendulum has swung the opposite way for now thanks to Donald Trump fooling a lot of people all of the time. Luckily, his embrace of fascism and blowing up our government and economy will hasten the swing away from this extremist episode in our history. This blatant attempt to baknkrupt the working class while offering huge tax breaks for his billionaire friends will not go over well, along with $8.00 for a dozen eggs. He's trying so hard to be Putin that he's ignoring his own base and the pain they will suffer when their food stamps are cut along with medicaid, medicare, and Social Security. The Trump administration's intentional cruelty towards the working people will cost them congress in 2026 as long as we still can manage to hold real elections by then.
I love how these "dreamers" whine "give peace a chance" as if 99% of the world is giving peace a chance. The other 1% however ruin it for the rest of us. The dreamers are spitting into the wind.
I'm a fan of Steely Dan!
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Steely dan does have a point that john is very idealistic and foolish. To me steely dan is better than john’s solo career. Some of my favorites are only a fool would say that, everyone’s gone to the movies, bad sneaker, the 2nd arrangement, charlie freak amd i’ve got the news.
I loved all their albums.
Not me
@@FactsVerse "My Old School,"
Steely Dan is spot on, Imagine is a silly anthem for rich globalists. Playing it at Jimmy Carter’s funeral was the epitome of tone deafness. 🎼 Imagine there’s no heaven🎶
Steely Dan wouldn’t be Steely Dan without the genius of John Lennon and the Beatles
Don’t mess with the Beatles
I LOVE Steely Dan but I was and am still a HUGE Beatles fan! In closing, I wonder that down through the ages, which one of those two songs of Lennon and Steely Dan will be remembered the most?! In that I think there is no comparison!
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lol None.
Writes one line then starts the next with "In closing" like he's just written an 8 paragraph letter! 🙄 Why are some people so weird?🤷♂
@@CB-xr1eg Probably for the same reason that some people are so judgmental.
@@slactweak I seriously doubt the reason could be the same tbh. 🤷♂
Imagine No John Lennon....
Would not want to imagine no John Lennon. Love him to this day. He was killed because of his peace movement.
@@pjmurphy920 You are free to love him if you like. He is the quintessential Hollywood elite that talks a lotta crap on what he hates, but is too lazy, superior and privileged to do anything about it.
If there's no John Lennon there's no Beatles. Not a fun thing to imagine.
@@pjmurphy920 Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought he was killed by someone with severe mental problems who thought he was the real John Lennon. He killed a man he believed was a deceitful imitator.
@@bluengrey1 Agree! Also, an interesting site is JusticeforJamesPaulMcCartney.
The more I learn about Lennon the less I like him.
Nah, he was a difficult personality but he was a great and talented soul with good intentions.
Saw Steely Dan once here in Aus, they never played even one of their hits, just long meandering jazz stuff, every song sounded the same as if it was one song on repeat, never been so disappointed in a live show. Cheers
They are yawn invoking for sure....an entirely self absorbed lot....
Steely Dan is not for everyone they're aimed at adults especially players and are indeed brilliant with some of the best players in the history of music , that said I like the Beatles but it's a different ball game.
I saw them in Tulsa 15-ish year ago and they played all their hits.
That's too bad. I saw them here in Southern California and they were great and played all their hits.
“Imagine no possessions”
His net worth at time of death was $200 million
Don’t taken the wrong way. He was including himself as part of that imaginary thought..he’s also imagining no possessions. He can’t help it if he made millions with his brilliant songwriting
Yea that's right, but he started out with nothing. Thinking just in terms of material things any other meaning gets lost, but I guess that is where we are.
So true lol!
A super hateful and petty person
But it wasn't in 1971 when he wrote the song. And the key word is "Imagine", he didn't say he had no possessions.
I think Lennon was saying how the world should be. That is why he used the word imagine. Who doesn't think at some time a situation could be better or even ideal. A job, your health, life in general. Buying a lottery ticket right. If this was truly the attitude of Steely Dan had then I guess they should have put out a song imagining gloom and doom. Remember then don't dream, don't imagine, just accept what is happening and live with it. Steely Dan, actually a group I like, should have put out an album based on Dante's Inferno, "Abandon all hope ye who enter here".
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Yeah it's kind of a dumb and deeply cynical interpretation and response. What's wrong with imagining good things or setting goals? Lennon's song was not a hot-off-the-presses news story or a take on the present day and clearly not meant to be. Pretty much the opposite, and hope that we can extricate ourselves from our problems at least eventually, and celebrate the good parts of our spirit. Who is that hurting and how?
He imagined no heaven and no hell. Ironically, he found out differently.
John came from a culture which had an healthcare system, which was free at point of use and a social care system which made it difficult to ' hit the concrete ', . The US is different illness can bankrupt your family and two pieces of bad luck and you are on the street, thus when he wrote 'All you need is love', within those bounds he was accurate, not being American and having been raised in a more compassionate country.
Sure, current US health care costs are out of control -- but it didn't used to be that way. Americans declaring bankruptcy due to the cost of healthcare between the 1940s (when Lennon was born into that compassionate British system) and the 1960s (when he wrote the song) was virtually unheard of.
Steely Dan's mocking of John Lennon's "Imagine" is tame stuff compared to Lennon's scathing critique of Paul McCartney's solo work, "How Do You Sleep?" McCartney replied with a brilliant imitation of Lennon's musical style, "Let Me Roll It."
When I saw the tagline of this on my menu my first thought was- oh well here we go again, more gossip from the past. But being a hypocrite as well as a huge fan of both Dan and the Beatles I was pleasantly surprised to find that I agreed wholeheartedly with Fagan and Becker, even though at least half of my own children disapprove of me in saying that Imagine was the worst thing any/all-of the Beatles had ever done, including Helter Skelter and Revolution #9. Sure, like with today, there was so much of the early 70s that was dreadful, but Imagine was as stated a naive reaction to it, reducing all the problems of the world to religion and personal possessions- in a world of which most inhabitants have so few, rather than say military-industrial complexes, pampered oligarchs, greedy corporate officers dissolving jobs for a year end bonus and politicians caving to special interest groups' social agendas rather than fighting homelessness, hunger, a broken healthcare system and not fighting for new ways of keeping workers employed. "You may say" Lennon's song says that, but no it doesn't; it doesn't even come close. It was about as useful as the message in a fortune cookie.
Hard to rhyme "pampered oligarches" in a 3 minute song. Maybe "Pampered oligarchs eating at the Golden Arches"...
Don't think that would be a hit.
@@dankoland9603 Good one.
Before you can achieve you must believe. I think that has more to do with Lennon’s song than naïveté. He wasn’t saying this is how it is, he was saying imagine it being better. I am a huge Steely Dan fan even though I think this song was a d1@% move. Lennon is okay too.
Yeah, like did you see his beautiful home he was singing Imagine from? I said, 'he's got everything he can can say that.' But I loved the song and I loved him! Imagine there's no heaven? No! But still - it was just a song, not to be taken literally, just to enjoy, and imagine if we can do that it's all good.
Being able to mock people who have a different life experience, better education and different ideals sounds like a great quality for making a career in politics.
I was intrigued by this story and thus compelled to leave a comment! Steely Dan was named after a steam 🚂 powered dildo! A weird and strange fact!
I am a fan of S D, and enjoy 🎧 listening to a nunber of their hits, but them criticizing Lennon is callous and heartless, even though Lennon himself was no saint with numerous accusations of alleged wrong doings!
His message in the song Imagine is hopeful and optimistic! It's meant to be aspiring for all humanity! To strive for collective love, compassion and empathy 🌎🌍 world wide! What's wrong with hoping and wishing for a better existence and life experience? One can always hope for the dark 🌑, ominous, neferious, sinister and enigmatic ☁️🌨️ cloud to finally rise and bring true relief and freedom!
It may not 🚫 happen in our lifetime, or ever, but hope always reigns eternal!
If we continue in our current trajectory, we are more than likely beyond saving and headed for inevitable inailation! Erased from existence until The Universe decides to give us another chance I guess! Who really knows! Take care! 5:17
I have mixed feelings about the message of Lennon's "Imagine". A world without countries and religions in constant conflict with each other definitely seems desirable. But people need possessions. Property rights are a central and necessary part of living a truly human life.
Love Steely Dan. Love Paul McCartney too.
I *second that!* 👍🏽
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Personally I was never a big Lennon fan after the Beatles, who I really liked. I love Paul McCartney's music, post Beatles. But, I really liked Steely Dan's music as well, Rikki don't Lose That Number was the first song of theirs I liked.
can't stand that tune. nothing personal. Steely Dan, tho, were highly talented. in fact, during "Rikki" they do kick around some interesting musical ideas. but overall, as a song, I never got it.
@@tonym994 Half the songs I like I don't get. But Rikki does have a catchy tune and chorus.
Steely Dan is a really good group.
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While I agree that Steely Dan is really good, I disagree that the Dan was a group. Steely Dan is (was, before Walter Fagan passed) two men who had unmistakable talent in writing and composing music. They had the gift of attracting the best in other musicians to fill the ranks for their gorgeous songs. I saw the Dan in Dallas before Walter Fagan passed away and they were just as good as in the beginning. I saw that Walter was in a strange mental place and he was waxing philosophical during the show. Still, very enjoyable😎
@@lynnestamey7272Walter Becker passed away. Donald Fagen is still with us!
Fagan and Becker were perfect for each other, self-important/appointed hipsters. Yes, their compositions and executions are about as flawless as they come, total ear-candy and exceptional individual musicianship, with benchmark mixes and mastering. But there is no joy or hope in anything they do. Its mostly negative and sardonic, and needlessly cryptic: their messages are largely inside for their own personal stimulation. Have you ever seen Fagan smile?
That they chose to call themselves Steely Dan says it all about their negative outlook. The name was created by one of the greatest cynics of all time, William S. Burrows. (see: Naked Lunch)
Wow so many to mention Peg, Babylon Sister, Black Cow, Deacon Blues and honorable mention from one of Donald Fagen's solo projects I.G.Y (P.S. there's still some I'm leaving out I was able to catch them in Philly in Atlantic City.
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I think Yoko was the cause of the Beatles break up.
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Allen Klein definitely played a huge role as well
You should check out Wiing covering ACDC.
You and a whole bunch of other people.
Nobody will ever call John Lennon “yacht rock”
Makes me hate myself for liking them. I find them an envious bunch.
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Steely Dan had a very good sound that set them apart from other groups. Loved maby or their hit songs, no particular favorite, just a lot of favorites.
I love Steely Dan. But I can't remember a single person ever saying they were in the least affected by or interested in this song. Quite the opposite for the Lennon song it's supposedly trying to counter.
When Paul McCartney does a tribute to Lennon at his shows, he often sings Give Peace A Chance and I'm thinking, "Ugh... anything but that!"
Steely Dan is one of my all time favourite bands EVER! Here At The Western World or Kid Charlemagne are two standout tracks. (There are a lot more) Insightful lyrics with great music equals Steely Dan.
I grew up listening to the Beatles and John Lennon, I continued to grow listening to Steely Dan through-out the years.
I am just guessing here but that was John Lennon's vision of an utopian society. Philosophers have often quoted the ideal society through out the ages Lennon set his to music. Great video thanks for sharing and posting! Cheers!
Steely Dan is SH I T
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Well,…. First of all, John never proclaimed himself “the smart Beatle” and, I understand Steely Dan likes to be smarter than thou contrarians - all well and good - but they’re really showing their stupidity here. Imagine is a thought experiment, not a prescription for how to live. Nobody ever thought it was. 😂
Lennon was a naive clown who didn’t even pass his A Levels due to laziness, he embarrassed himself with the Japanese lunatic.
Lennon said about Imagine it's just asong when pulled up over things he'd
done contrary to the idealism depicted in the song Imagine.
also I think people read too much into lyrics of bands like The Beatles.
I think communists, marxist, idealists, Hollywood on Left would disagree that they don't want this...
John was called the smart Beatle - and Paul was called the cute one - George . . . the quiet one. And Ringo was damn good drummer. 🤣
A bit young to know that Lennon proclaimed the Beatles were bigger than Christ? Yes, Lennon, a man steeped in humility and modesty.
Oh I saw Stealy Dan at the Forum in Inglewood, Ca They were the "opening act" for The Doobie Brothers!
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In a hundred years, The Beatles will still be relevant, while no one will remember Steely Dan.
Disagree. I love both and I think they’ll both be around.
@@heartpath1 I doubt it. You don't see any of SD stuff being re-released and selling like hot cakes.
@ let’s agree to meet up in 100 years and see who’s right. As far as your point the rereleases that are selling now are not a true indicator of future relevance.
@@heartpath1 Tell you what, let's make it 150 years that will be a better indication.
@ it’s a date! See you there 😃
Regardless, I've never had any use for Steely Dan.
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I still love Steely Dan!! Aja and Deacon Blues are my favorites!❤ The Beatles were wow at first but Steely Dan is still loved by me. I do love Lennon's Imagine and Woman. Imagine is beautiful. Like others, I feel that Yoko broke up The Beatles.
Nah, The Beatles broke up the Beatles along with help from Alan Klien who in BTW helped Peter Ham end his life. Of course the others didn't like Yoko being in the studio, but it was way before that John and George wanted to go their own way. If it hadn't been for Alan Klien (for which John trusted) and many law suits because of him they could've went off did their own thing but could still work together as they wanted. The lawsuits drove a deep wedge
i always liked steely dan but always thought they were arrogant bastards. like their music was the only music worth listening to. i think they actually once said that
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They never said that. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
@ yes they DID say that in an article i read years ago.
Named a daughter inspired by a Steely Dan song at a time way before it was cool to name a girl such. Have a daughter in law who long ago had the word Imagine tattooed on her back, where neck and shoulder connect. Morning, informed John Lennon died, began with weeping. Always liked John Lennon right from the start. Have crush on Ono Yoko, too. Steely Dan fan also. Steely Dan is a name of a character in the novel, Naked Lunch, from which was derived the name of the band.
Was a character in "Naked Lunch" a dildo? That's what a "Steely Dan" actually is. Next time read your wiki, or whatever you source a little more carefully! Sorry but you are the first person that I've ever heard of having a crush on Yoko!
Love Steely Dan, never really liked the Beatles except for a few songs. I was a fan of the Beach Boys.
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Loved the Beatles, never really liked Steely Dan.
I was a fan of a lot of groups!!
Steely Dan can't hold a candle to Lennon's worst material.
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I disagree! 😊
lennon was more famous the Jesus someone said
@@mochiebellina8190 No one said that, but the Beatles are bigger than Jesus since their reach is beyond cults like Christianity
@@mochiebellina8190 You should gain more knowledge before commenting
Lennon was a complete freak.
Steely Dan's criticism of Lennon is unwarranted. There was another guy who said some pretty pie-in-the-sky stuff. Things like, "Love your enemies, turn the other cheek, and Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Was he out of touch as well?
I always thought most of Steely Dan's material intellectual claptrap
No, because he walked the walk. Lennon, who I enjoyed immensely was also a big phony. Steely Dan had some great tunes and a lot of pretentious nonsense as well.
@@comicus6769 Is this Chapman?
But Lennon actually existed. This other guy you refer to, did he really exist?
@CB-xr1eg whether or not Jesus is fictitious is irrelevant. His teachings/philosophy remain an inspiration to many
I remember I was hanging out with friends when one of them told us Lennon was taken from our earth. We we’re all saying the same thing… Why?
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Goodbye Stealy Dan You don't mess with the Beetles Good buy to my support of this channel
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I am with you, although my support amounted to peeking my head in this first, last, and only time. Bye.
Where will you go, to take spelling lessons?🤷♂🤣
I was thought of Steely Dan as a band for people who are snobs.
Usually college students that think that there’s too smart for everybody else.
They don’t really like groups like Led Zeppelin. They’re just way too snotty for that.
Growing up I like I thought their singles were OK but something about the Aja album just bugged me.
Maybe it’s the fact that they put a review of the album inside of the cover.
Snob music made by snobby people for snobby people.
I'll bet you sleep like a baby at night....Yeah...you cry all night and wet your pants.
Pearl of the Quarter from "Countdown to Ecstasy," hands-down my favorite. Disturbing lyrics, excellent fingerpicking as well as slide guitar.
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Steely dan never ever got close to to john lennons caliber in any way
yes Steely Dan those proud purveyors of the working class.
We called "Imagine" his communist manifesto....
"Imagine" is a better song.
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It’s laughable to make Steely Dan sound so daring because they dissed John Lennon in a yawn of a song. Steely Dan were not punk rockers. They were cocktail hour yacht smoozers. 🤣
Lennon may be still alive if the US kept him on the list of undesirable persons due to his drug usage.
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@@FactsVerseare u a parrot?
Wrong! He was on the list because of his activism. There are a few books and a couple of good documentaries about this very subject.
Imagine is a deeply thoughtful song. Deacon Blues is my favorite Steely Dan song in spite of its cynicism: Drink Scotch whiskey all night long and die behind the wheel. They got a name for the winners of this world (I) I want a name when I lose. They call Alabama the Crimson Tide, they call me Deacon Blue.
William Borough NAKED LUNCH contained the steely Dan of the beats
It was his dildo.
Maybe Steely Dan liked John Lennons "working Class Hero" better
I Love the Beatles of course but John was my least favorite, I absolutely hate "imagine", just a stupid song, Fagan was right about that. As for Steely Dan, I love their work, just incredible !
Fagen is the fool in the end. In nearly every musical instance, Lennon's straight-from-the-heart lyrics, buttressed by his simple but subtle chord structures, tower over Steely Dan's pompous sarcasm and pretentious pseudo-jazz compositions and will continue to do so till the end of time. Fagen takes offense at John's idealism but has no problem naming his band after a dildo featured in a book by a wife-killer. For all their technical skill, Steely Dan's music--though sometimes amusing and complex--has always left me cold. If I want jazz, I'll listen to the real thing.
Sometimes great musicians are just that, nothing more. That's Fagan. Trying to diss a legend for expressing his dream is juvenile and misguided. Lennon wasn't predicting anything, just dreaming about what could be if people weren't such holes like Fagen. I put Bob Dylan in the same category. A poetic genius, but an insecure world-class hole.
@@spoonerfive @chicklets4ever51 Yep, you both nailed it!
Wow,well written and researched.
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Lennon was a war protester.
And look what happened.
Go on????????
I'm not convinced that yoyo uno was not a c i a plant, she was involved with hilly clintstone early on
So, all you are saying is give war a chance??? lol
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explain??
I prefer every other song on that LP 'Imagine', to the title tune. 'Gimme some truth' being one. and this retort by SD, is BORRIINNG!! but the guitar solo on 'Reeling in the years', is quite possibly the best I ever heard. they didn't need to dick around dissing Lennon.
So now you are running the same unconfirmed, unsubstantiated, b.s. story that Far Out published two years ago. Have you nothing better to do?
I always liked the line, " Bodhisattva, I'm gonna sell my ass in town...", but there's no accounting for taste. Both bands had something interesting to say, and their music was as different as chalk and cheese.
""... sell my HOUSE in town."
it took my friend's intervention w/ a cassette in his car, to convince me that they were a GREAT band, and 'Bodhisattva' sealed the deal. God bless you, JW. it wasn't the 1st or last time you introduced me to great music.
A song that Yoko basically wrote and John turned it into a "product". A while back after seeing this song being talked about I looked up the value of the mansion and the Steinway alone and in today's money it would be pretty astounding. Steinway even did a limited run on a reproduction of the piano. It's a pretty naive thought, Imagine and has it's roots in communism of all things. Yoko is Japanese which makes it and her even more baffling like she was some kind of intelligence honeytrap. John was damaged goods so he was ripe for the picking. People think the mental illness of the average celebrity today is "epic" and "novel" but that's because they either forget about John & Yoko or never knew about them and their shenanigans. CIA/MI6 take your pick.
Yoko originally wrote, Imagine all the Beatles living life in peace, but John changed it to "all the people".
@@CB-xr1eg I think the original lyrics were "Imagine there's no John".
@@BILLYMORGAN1971 Yea? And why would she want to imagine there was no meal ticket?
@@CB-xr1eg She has writer's credit to Imagine now. Some writers live off of one song for the rest of their lives. I suspect something more sinister though, like she was some kind of MI6/CIA cutout.
@@BILLYMORGAN1971 I'm guessing you're American, you guys like to think up weird conspiracy theories.
Love John and the Beatles. I don’t think anyone can really criticize John forn dreaming. Artists respect each other and admire what they have laid at our feet. From there we go forward. Peace.
Steely Dan was nothing compared to the Beatles, so - this video is irrelevant, isn't it. Just a couple of Jealous Guys.
Steely Dan.....remember the bands name, could never have told you their individual names.
John Lennon.....immeasurable contributions to music both as an individual artist and with the greatest band of all time. Most anyone in the world knows his name.
Steely Dan, just shut up!
Now I like a lot of what Steely Dan produced, and I was not a John Lennon worshipper like many-- actually I was annoyed with that since though I'm not the smartest guy in the room, I read people quite well and thought many people were missing Lennon's arrogance...
HOWEVER, I like to be fair and cautious about overcorrection, which we humans do probably more often than any other mistake.
Lennon's approach and delivery was idealistic, and far too much of a Hail Mary pass attempt to fix everything. This I agree with.
Fagen overcorrected as well, though.
This is a perfect time to revisit this disturbing phenomenon that I think will likely never be diminished to a world-"saving' level, but NOT because we CAN'T do it, but because we keep on believing we can't.
Then we go back the other way too far. Typical.
So John's message was over the top idealistic, so we just give up? Of course somebody's going to say "well no we aren't giving up!", but things are going the opposite direction from what you and I both know, would have been better had we at least got as many people to think the way "Imagine" suggests!!
I grew up poor, and am still poor, but happy and healthy. I don't need to ignore a call for peace and try to talk people into buying what they don't need for a price that isn't fair... just to be "successful". The balance of it all I can't figure out any more than anybody else, but the extremes against Lennon's vision (many people's vision-- because it's right).... have only grown again.
Too many persistent, capitalistic robotic psychopaths have convinced everyone they were playing a game, and no matter how anyone gets an unfair start being rich from family or all odds in their favor or against, they are supposed to just make it on their own.
Of course that's also unrealistic.
By the way, Lennon did know what it was like to be poor.
So bust on Lennon's lyrics sent from on high all you want-- I find it inappropriate as well-- but it IS in the right direction, unless you want something like "Elysium" to come true. That's where it's going and you know it.
Lets not forget the words are taken from Yokos poetry.Jonh wrote the music.Perth AU.
I like Steely Dan music. But they had a crappy stage present. They were mainly a studio band.
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Keith Jarrett sued Steely Dan for plagiarism and won. The band also ripped off Horace Silver's 'Song for my Father', stealing the opening piano riff and using it for 'Ricky Don't Lose My Number'. Screw them. Their tepid jazz pop rock pastiche will be forgotten sooner or later. Hopefully sooner.
I've been a Huge fan of the Beatles since I saw them on the Ed Sullivan show. Love them. But I also love Steely Dan. John Lennons "Imagine" was probably his worst song imo. "In My Life" was far superior.
What is the footage of tribute band The Back Beat doing in this clip?
the same silly ass reason(s) half the videos on YT suck out loud, these days. they're strictly phoning in the visual. it's a little like when MTV came on, they soon were giving us visuals that filled time, instead of having ANY narrative support for the tune. I'll tell you who made a great video. 'RAINBOW, 'it can't happen here'.it makes sense even today. it SAYS something! and we need to pay attention to it.
Steely Dan, for me, were at best, sporadically interesting; Lennon far more often.
50 years on, who are more people listening to?
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I never liked the Beatles for some unknown reason and I grew up in the 50’s & 60’. Imagine is so cringe to me, an absolute Marxist lie. “You will own nothing and you will be happy.” No utopia w/out God & our repentance. Loved Steely Dan tho’ 😁
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Imagine is a “ conceptual “ song… it’s ridiculous to connect John Lennon to the state of NYC in the ‘70s… quite a reach…
Facts Verse … huh 🤔… ok whatever you want to call yourself…
I'm with Steely Dan on this dispute. Although I've loved The Beatles since 1965, Lennon's solo output was very uneven, and "Imagine" is one of his weakest songs, naive and obvious as well as being just plain wrong in its message.
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Like capitalism, do ya?
STILL LOVE STEELY DAN! NEVER COULD STAND JOHN LENNON!!
When you have no song writers or royal family
Steely Dan never wrote any intelligent songs with inspiring lyrics, so they can’t comment on an anthem like Imagine!
John didn’t even write imagine Yoko wrote that song
Yoko and John wrote it together. It started as a poem by Yoko.
AI sucks.
… and thus ushering the materialistic greedy conservative era where selfishness reigned supreme that we are still not out of.
Unfortunately this is actually my favorite song from them and disappointing that this is the message they chose to send with it when what it actually reveals more is Fagens humongous envy and JEALOUSY of Lennon, much like Pete Townsends with, well literally everyone.
It’s this door knob mentality to take Lennons words literally for the world we live in at the present but for a world to aspire for where everyone is taken care of by humanities cooperation with each other. It just reveals the shallow petty mentality of the very people who obstruct this reality from emerging.
The only fool here will eternally be Fagen.
Panic….a blessing in disguise!❤
Jazz Rock?! Oh yes, I must have more! 🙄🤦🏻♂️
Steely Dan wishes they could write a song half as good as Lennon could.
To be fair, Imagine is far from being one of John's best. You could choose from Strawberry Fields Forever, A Day In The Life, Across The Universe to name just 3 that are much better.
John Lennon, even in death carried on as the poster boy for smugness. It took almost a decade after Lennon died for BONO to unseat Lennon as the most smug, self-righteous, neigh possibly the holiest man to walk in our spiritual realm until Al Gore road in on his eco-friendly, fart free horse to claim part ownership of the magical horse. Both men, humble men are forever fighting for the privilege of getting to be known as the ass end of the horse. Still too early to determine who is going to be known as the biggest horses' ass. Stay and follow the story,
I think the horses' ass might just be you judging by that bitter rant of a comment.
Yes steely Dan you're super cool😂😂😂😂😂😂
The jaundiced cynics in Steely Dan have a lot to be ashamed of.
Glad to hear John taken down a notch or two. I like a few Beatles songs, but I've always thought the group to be over-rated as musicians. Yeah, they had a huge cultural impact, but mostly with the lowest common denomination of music consumers. JMHO, but Becker (RIP) and Fagan were head and shoulders above the Beatles in pure musicianship. Another great musical genius from waaaaaay South of the Border, Brazil's Milton Nascimento, also took a dig at the Beatles with a great song, "Para Lennon e McCartney", especially as covered by "Friends from Rio" (can be found with a TH-cam search). Incidentally, the late great Wayne Shorter played with both Steely Dan (great solo on Aja) and Milton ('Miracle of the Fishes', on Wayne's album, Native Dancer).
Why did you put JMHO? You're obviously NOT being humble as you're assuming your opinion is correct. Millions of people worldwide disagree with you and have done so for many years. You may say they're overrated but that's foolish. It comes down to personal musical taste. Just because you don't like something it's wrong, not to mention lazy, to dismiss it as overrated.
I like a lot of Lennon's songs but Imagine is not amongst them.
Well first of all you can blame the crash of our industrial country on the government. By taxing the crap out of our industrial Industries and letting countries do some of our manufacturing in their own country that don't have a clue how to do things correctly never did never will. Take our cars and trucks for instance some of them is made in Mexico some of its made in China someone made in some other fourth world country that don't have a clue what they're doing and then you wonder why there's so many recalls in these vehicles. Millions of people got let go tempers started flaring when they don't have enough money and cannot buy a loaf of bread to feed their family.
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Imagine a world with no problems- only solutions. Wait. What? If there's no problems, then, solutions to WHAT???
"Well I tell them there's no problems, only solutions" Watching The Wheels, John Lennon 1980.
@@CB-xr1eg I really do like that song honestly. I also really like "The War Is Over". But I can't really buy in to all the lyrics. The sentiment is meant to be positive and encouraging, and I do appreciate that. But I can't take certain slogans literally. However, among extremely famous people, Lennon stayed grounded in some ways that many others don't. So I hope that any criticisms don't get taken as any kind of a dis.
@@davidnika446 He didn't do a song called The War Is Over, maybe you mean Happy Xmas (War Is Over)?
@@CB-xr1eg Yeah, that one.
Steely Dan are arrogant and make complicated music for the sake of it. It’s musical wanking. Their music is so perfected it comes across as antiseptic and akin to Muzak.
The Beatles were 4 guys who did it mostly themselves. They didn’t need to bring in 20 guitarists to find the “perfect” solo.
Steely Dan’s arrogance is unparalleled.
Musical wanking is a great term and when I think about it the first 2 names that come to mind are Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart.
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Never cared for Steely Dan. Super annoying and pretentious.
Yeah!O.K. Steely Dan, Compare Record sales to "Imagine!" the Dreamer Wins out! Let's all create a controversy to get some clicks!
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As always Americans take everything Literally. And everything is absolute so you only have two simplistic tribes to keep you always separated. Black/White, Left/Right nothing inbetween. Songs and Movements trying to show how we are more similar than different and can lead to majority decisions that are good for us (you know Democracy...now a Distant memory in the USA as the Far Right Tribe has won) are Aspirational and give hope to people to aim for something better. America SHOT Hope away JFK, MLK, RFK and JL.
Yeah, it's embarrassing to be American now.
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“Imagine” complete nihilism. Anthem of solitary confinement. Gee, imagine that.