Cold War warriors knew their stuff... I was 4RTR from 1983 to 1991 and spent countless days, weeks and months practicing advance to contact, etc etc with attached infantry elements whether on Salisbury plains when we were demo Sqn for RAC, Op Lionheart, on Soltau or at Batus and it's probably a skill set that is sadly lacking in these days of renewed Russian aggression.
The UK military has been underfunded and severely neglected for a long time now. Hopefully there's been a wake up call in the government, military and military industrial complex to prepare for war
I was thinking the same, the brief should have been… “Your mission is to act as a human speedbump, to slow the overwhelming waves of enemy by a few hours”.
We all knew that our job was to just attrit them the best we could and to slow down and disrupt their advance as much as we could buying time for the yanks to come over. Pick up their pre positioned equipment from places in Belguim and other places. It was accepted the soviet doctrine would be to first absolutely smash up our suspected positions with massive amounts of artillery. And the vast majority of these films hardly ever showed artillery being deployed against us, which for a lot of us watching these, discredited the message they were trying to convey with this film. The Ukrainians are suffering from that massed artillery on their defensive lines, along with massive glide bombs. The USA, and EU countries have let the Ukrainians down badly. They have not been behind them 100%, they have tied the ukrainians hands behind their backs, Not supplying Ammo in a timely manner, Not providing aircraft and training until they were dragged to do so kicking and screaming. They have been slow to provide air defence and long range missile systems. With Scholz and Biden the appeasers not allowing the Ukrainians to do to the Russians what they are doing to the Ukrainains out of COWARDICE, Back then it was also accepted that the soviets would use chemical weapons on any defences that slowed them down and would bypass any blocking defences holding them up. with the Russians assuming that the chemicals would in fact feck up us defenders. And of course nuking if they could not dislodge us. It was expected that they would attack the civilian population pretty much worse than what we have already seen Russia do in the Ukraine. Causing civilian refuges to hinder any movement of the said yank forces that where to pick up the fight after we had been expended. This was not a secret, nobody was under any illusion. We were all told on no uncertain terms what to expect, what our life expectancy was, the only chance of survival was to fight and fight hard. Fall back and fight even harder if we could. Back then we were all told that the warsaw pact troops had some good units that we would have to fight hard with. But the majority were shitte. And we have seen exactly that in the case of the Russians. The vast majority of troops directed at us would have been the conscript meat we have seen smashed up by the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians themselves at that time would have been an enemy force that would be attacking us. But that conscript army is not the conscript army we are seeing fighting for their country today. We are seeing guys fighting for their homeland against invaders. They are having an absolute terrible time from weapon systems not shown in this video
@@kevinyang5926I always wondered if they were bought from African or Middle East countries? Maybe using a shell company. Also India uses a lot of Russian kit, I wonder if we have deal with them?
Around the time of the film (or just before) some slightly 2nd hand BMPs, BTRs and at least one BRDM showed up with Arabic stenciled on them. They past through Marchwood off a RoRo
@@The-RA-Guy I served at 17 Port Marchwood……we used to get Russian stuff for onward move to the tank museum at Bovington…..obvs it came over on an RFA from Antwerp.
@@alanmacpherson3225Additional Ammo would have been strored in the 432 to top up as required, if in a defensive position more ammo would have been dumped in the positions, the 80 rounds was the std load actually carried normally by an infanteer
@@alanmacpherson3225Hi yes, the 432, proper name FV322 was the standard APC used in BAOR in the 70's through to the early 90s - it was also the platform used for all sorts of variants en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV432
Yes while we were dealing with the one enemy soldier the other nine that outgunned and outnumbered us would have been surrounding killing or capturing us. :)
Cold War warriors knew their stuff... I was 4RTR from 1983 to 1991 and spent countless days, weeks and months practicing advance to contact, etc etc with attached infantry elements whether on Salisbury plains when we were demo Sqn for RAC, Op Lionheart, on Soltau or at Batus and it's probably a skill set that is sadly lacking in these days of renewed Russian aggression.
The UK military has been underfunded and severely neglected for a long time now. Hopefully there's been a wake up call in the government, military and military industrial complex to prepare for war
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they still showed these films to us in the early 1990s for training,good stuff thanks for the upload.
06:10 „would get more than a parking ticket.” Very British.
Best wishes from Germany.
P.S.: The speaker says “Grünestädter Wald” quite well.
Hello one, this is another one…..(old army joke). Glad the comms are so good….
Do you Roger me..Over.
Blimey this takes me back
Oh wonderful. I was watching part one and was concerned that it had ended abruply.
Thanks Mike. :)
Civilian ignoranus here - good to see recognition that stuff won't always go to plan.
The tank hiding behind a tree reminds me of a child thinking because it can’t see you means you can’t see it.
Yep we had an army then.
loved prepping Chieftain for Opfor
By painting a red star on it and rotating the commanders cupola backwards?
Reminds me well of the 'Bold' exercises in the 80's, Gannet, Guard and Grouse, every 2 years. I got very fond of Schleswig Holstein, and Slagelse. 😅
The enemy tanks are clearly chieftains, but are those actual BTRs?
Appear to be 60PBs
In reality,we all thought if Ivan invaded we,d be dead in a couple of hours before the Yanks nuked them
I was thinking the same, the brief should have been… “Your mission is to act as a human speedbump, to slow the overwhelming waves of enemy by a few hours”.
I knew a tanker in the late 60s and he said the longest they would last against a Russian attack was 7 minutes
Yes thank you that one came in just on time to watch after part 1.
Nice. Some of the footage was used in the World War 3 (1998) mockumentary.
The Rupert sounded rather posh !!
Michael Caine once said that British officers could be identified in the dark.
Ex Lionheart Lionheart 80s , can't remember the exact date I was in the Royal Yeomanry Hq Sqn the westminster dragoons
1984
We all knew that our job was to just attrit them the best we could and to slow down and disrupt their advance as much as we could buying time for the yanks to come over. Pick up their pre positioned equipment from places in Belguim and other places.
It was accepted the soviet doctrine would be to first absolutely smash up our suspected positions with massive amounts of artillery. And the vast majority of these films hardly ever showed artillery being deployed against us, which for a lot of us watching these, discredited the message they were trying to convey with this film.
The Ukrainians are suffering from that massed artillery on their defensive lines, along with massive glide bombs. The USA, and EU countries have let the Ukrainians down badly.
They have not been behind them 100%, they have tied the ukrainians hands behind their backs, Not supplying Ammo in a timely manner, Not providing aircraft and training until they were dragged to do so kicking and screaming. They have been slow to provide air defence and long range missile systems. With Scholz and Biden the appeasers not allowing the Ukrainians to do to the Russians what they are doing to the Ukrainains out of COWARDICE,
Back then it was also accepted that the soviets would use chemical weapons on any defences that slowed them down and would bypass any blocking defences holding them up. with the Russians assuming that the chemicals would in fact feck up us defenders.
And of course nuking if they could not dislodge us.
It was expected that they would attack the civilian population pretty much worse than what we have already seen Russia do in the Ukraine. Causing civilian refuges to hinder any movement of the said yank forces that where to pick up the fight after we had been expended.
This was not a secret, nobody was under any illusion. We were all told on no uncertain terms what to expect, what our life expectancy was, the only chance of survival was to fight and fight hard. Fall back and fight even harder if we could.
Back then we were all told that the warsaw pact troops had some good units that we would have to fight hard with. But the majority were shitte. And we have seen exactly that in the case of the Russians.
The vast majority of troops directed at us would have been the conscript meat we have seen smashed up by the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians themselves at that time would have been an enemy force that would be attacking us.
But that conscript army is not the conscript army we are seeing fighting for their country today. We are seeing guys fighting for their homeland against invaders. They are having an absolute terrible time from weapon systems not shown in this video
100% agree with most of comment it is the MAGA lot preventing Ukraine aid, not Biden.
The days when we had an army worthy of the name.
Question if those were mock up btr's and bmp's then they looked so good, or were they real and somehow captured
Obtained most likely through Israel from the aftermath of the Yom Kippur War. Thats how most of the BTRs and T-62s at Bovington were obtained
ahhhh thank you thank you that's very interesting @@kevinyang5926
@@kevinyang5926I always wondered if they were bought from African or Middle East countries? Maybe using a shell company.
Also India uses a lot of Russian kit, I wonder if we have deal with them?
It was a wonderful training and wonderful orchestrated manners... thank you 🙏 ( Mike Guardia) channel for sharing
Jolly good show 😅
Ham Bush? I was always told it was a Bacon Tree.😜🤪
I see the American Red Star Company……
Obviously Cheiftains for Enemy Armour but where the hell in 1982 did they get hold of BTR60's.
The American Red Star Company based in southern German……they provided the Russian kit for demos.
@@mikewinston8709Supplied by Isreal mostly captured in the Yom Kipur War - gifted to the Septics and sent to Germany as a Demo Company
Or BMP-1's.
Around the time of the film (or just before) some slightly 2nd hand BMPs, BTRs and at least one BRDM showed up with Arabic stenciled on them.
They past through Marchwood off a RoRo
@@The-RA-Guy I served at 17 Port Marchwood……we used to get Russian stuff for onward move to the tank museum at Bovington…..obvs it came over on an RFA from Antwerp.
are they firing real anti tank weapons during training?! What is it they used at 03:55 as it looked very realisitic.
And they thought the Germans grew those forests to battle the Green house effect!
What eas the anti tank weapon held by the infantry? It doesn't look like an 84.
British blowpipe missile if my memory serves me.
LAW 90. Prototype at the time of the video.
Sorry LAW 80.
@@gjnezat IMS, Blowpipe was anti-air.
@@ianhouston4424 Thanks for the clarification!
How many rounds did the riflemen carry in those days?
Standard load in my day was 4 mags of 20 7.62 for the SLR and a belt of 50 for the MG
@@davehopkin9502 Thank you for the information. I imagine you would have to choose your shots carefully with only 80 rounds.
@@alanmacpherson3225Additional Ammo would have been strored in the 432 to top up as required, if in a defensive position more ammo would have been dumped in the positions, the 80 rounds was the std load actually carried normally by an infanteer
@@davehopkin9502 Please excuse my ignorance I'm just a civilian is the 432 an APC?
@@alanmacpherson3225Hi yes, the 432, proper name FV322 was the standard APC used in BAOR in the 70's through to the early 90s - it was also the platform used for all sorts of variants
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV432
Yes while we were dealing with the one enemy soldier the other nine that outgunned and outnumbered us would have been surrounding killing or capturing us. :)
Is this real of training?
Back in the days when we were the good guys.
Huh?
no chance today the army's training went far left in the early 200s
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Impressive though back in the day