Siege of Firebase Gloria - VC Assault
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This reflects only a portion of the film, and should be supplemented by your immediate renting of this fantastic war movie showing in major detail....the Vietnam War. The film is based around a Firebase during the Tet Offensive.
Of all the war movies, it seems many people agree that this film was a very accurate overview of the combat in the Vietnam War. It isn't as well known as "Apocalypse Now" or "Full Metal Jacket" but it easily has more action than both.
Tan Son Nhut Airbase. My father died there October 1967, F-105 driver. Air Force Cross, 2 silver stars, 6 DFC's, 2 Bronze Stars, 22+ Air medals just to name a few. Major A.F. Britt.
Sorry for your loss!
your dad is a very very man
Hero
That was the same base name they used in the series from the late 80s call "Tour of Duty."
HERO!
For those who do not spot the family resemblance, the NCO with the grenades at the beginning of the attack then with a machete is Wings Hauser, his son COLE plays RIP on Yellowstone now!
Ramrod
not remotely interesting.
Cool tidbit!
Man I loved watching Wings Hauser movies, one of the toughest names back then even if he wasn't a supreme action hero.
And I'll have to go back and see if there is a resemblance.
Nobody hates war more than someone who served in one.
I appreciate this movie. Yes, it is low budget, and yes it has its stereotypes, but aside all that, it is somewhat accurate... isolated patrol base attacked and overrun. It happened more than we realize. This film is all too often overlooked in the genre of combat during the American War in SE Asia.
very cheesy IMO
This was Vietnam’s American War. Their first war for independence was from France. Then, from America. Finally, from their corrupt South Vietnam sector which collapsed in 2 years when we handed all the fighting to them. Look at the map. It would like Russia sending 500,000 troops and 1,500 warships and 100 combat ships to Central America to fight Mexico because Mexico was a threat to Russia.
Firebase Ripcord, summer 1970. R.I.P.
rented this on VHS from video hits plus in Lansing ,MI.
was much better than i could have anticipated .
I grew up on this movie watching it on bootleg VHS with my pops when we were stationed in germany. China Beach was a favorite of mine as well.
Underrated Nam film, RIP R Lee Ermey
That chopper pilot should have gotten a sequel movie. I like his sense of humor.
@@elliot1481 Thanks for the reply Jeff. I checked into it and the actor in question is Gary Hershberger. He played Moran, the wisecracking Huey pilot in Firebase Gloria. He has quite a resume of movie/tv appearances. But they don't show him as having been in Bat 21. Hard to ID actors with flight helmets on.
BRAVO.
BRAVO.
" It's time to be a captain.."😂
He looked like gary bussey
damn i miss this movie. i 've watched this over and over in the philippines. my brother used to live in the southeast. heavy thick jungle...it gives you that vietnam war feel. i also like PLATOON LEADER, THE IRON CURTAIN and of course PLATOON
I didn't know we were still fighting in Vietnam in 1977 when "You Picked a Fine Time to Leave Me Lucille" was released!
That chopper pilot is such a fuckin' badass he transcends time.
Well think about this.
The Apache wars were not "officially" over until 1923 or 1924.
Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia fighting until 1978 or 1979 officially because of spill over into the other two countries. You may fact check me because I forgot some years. But the key word is "officially".
Oh but don't you know Kenny Rogers was at that airstrip at the time, heard the pilot say that, and thought: "Oh, what a great start to a song!"? /s
@@bigbrowntau , Kenny Rogers didn't write it. Roger Bowing and Hay Bynum wrote it. Maybe they heard this guy say it again when he got back to the US.
This was a flashback, that explains it.
I think the role of what essentially a low budget "B" movie of this sort, is to do what you can with the story and cinematics. Then use action as efficiently as possible for the rest of it. This movie rises above it's individual attributes and has stood the test of time. You gotta give it that. To me its a mix of Gary Busey's revenge movie "Eye of the Tiger", maybe the best budget action movie ever made, and Burt Lancaster's "Go Tell The Spartans". Not a bad Sunday afternoon movie.
Ah, "Go Tell the Spartans" 1978, low budget but deeply tragic story I urge all to watch. And I thought I was the only Vietnam vet who liked the flick.
Sorry, wasn't the lead Burt Lancaster?
@@jamesalexander3530 interesting movie indeed based on real events that took place in South Vietnam in mid 1964....
I thought I was one of the only people that remembered the movie "Eye of the tiger".
It's a guilty pleasure.
I love the air cab guy so much in this film. He literally should have gotten an academy award for his performance. "Do we have any rockets left?"
"Yeah"
"They aren't paying us to bring them back."
I saw this film a long time ago on TV, pretty amazing, never forgot about it.
@TheSpaceHamster Don't apologize, brother, this is GREAT!! I was on anArmy Firebase named Gloria and damn near the same thing happened. I got shot and bayoneted over a 3 day firefight but still managd to get home with just a few pieces missing. Thanks for the memories, SpaceHamster!!!
Goddamned man, you 4 real? Where you so I can buy you a drink and hug you like a brother. USNMCB-133, MCB-6, M60 and 106 gunner in country VN 66-68. Welcome back and thanks for a job well done.
Thanks for your Service... Glad you made it. This war never should have happened...What a Waste!
RIP R. Lee Ermey
SFMF
Rip
That one line basically sums up the mental mindset of people when there own country is being invaded,
"We where killing charlie whole sale,
And they didn't care
Then again I guess we'd do the same if they invaded North Carolina"
Never underestimate a people fighting for not just there life's or money but there homes and family.
The thing is they were just one faction, the other faction of SVA folks hated the Northern Viets just as much but weren't led by their leaders as well. In a sense it was a Vietnam Civil War which many seem to forget. The Union North vs the Confederate South except in Vietnam.
From "Master of the Senate" : Senator Milton Young (R-ND) recalled, "One time I said to Senator Russell (D-GA), ëYou people in the
South are much more military-minded then we in the North. Russell replied "If you had a general like Sherman
march through your state you would be too"
I first saw this movie in 1997 when I was stationed at Kunsan AB, Korea. Freaking loved it.
I went through the Tet Offensive in the Central Highlands then stationed on the DMZ with the 1st Cav It was hard living but we did it with pride. It took over 20 years for someone to say "Thank you for your service" and that was in Mexico! I've been spit on at LAX, deficated on in DC, urine thrown on me at guarding a Jane Fonda protest in 1969. Thank God for all my brothers-in-arms that respected me. Thank you to all service members who proudly served.
Thank you for your service and WELCOME HOME!
Ah good old Hanoi Fonda. I will never forgive her for sitting on that anti-aircraft gun and I'll never watch any of her movies either.
@@sirridesalot6652 The only one I've ever seen is "Barbarella". Blame the titties. Although I think they weren't even actually her titties.
I served at fire base ACTION, LZ.Oasis/ lz black hawk, along hwy 19 blocking the HOE trail.10th calvery 4th armored.
The line, "You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille" was from a song not released until 1977. The Vietnam War ended in 1975, and the bulk of the fighting was done a couple of years before that.
Vietnam hostilities ended January 31st of 1973 Vietnam fell and 75 but we were out long before that
I think he said "Loose Seal", so it was probably what he named his copter
U. S. ground troops left in 1973 for the most part. However, U. S. Navy and Marine Corps assets large scale evacuation of Vietnam and Cambodia Lin 1975, Operation Frequent Wind and Operation Eagle Pull.
@@Defender78 priceless....😂😂😂😂😂
the best vietnam war movie ever, LoL the NVA uniforms next to VC ones
One of the best siege movies ever. Right up there with The Alamo and Zulu.
Shit acting…..absolute crap!
This was awesome great movie. R.I.P. R. Lee Ermey
This was one of those movies where the dead enemies would rise up to fight again
All movies do that.
Remember this movie as a kid. Went into marines as was so disappointed I had to reload so often. Also really felt ripped off because the choppers they had for the movie were way quieter than the junk we had.
yeah I like how the guys flying in the chopper are talking with that low conversational tone lol
This is the best Vietnam war movie you've never seen. If you have seen it... cut 'em some slack, their budget was like 100 bucks.
Agreed - really pisses me off that it's only available on VHS. Love Ermey in this picture, as well as Wings Hauser, both of them perfect for their respective parts.
It's available on blu ray now courtesy of Kino Lorber, look for it on Amazon =)
jetbreak Maybe Ermey got my tweet a few weeks back asking him why it wasn't available on DVD or BD when so much other crap is. Thanks for the heads up.
Hungryman97 right. I love this movie. I got it from my dad on vhs
Yes for,the budget its good
This is great movie. I use to have it on VHS.
I remember when this came out. Very limited theater release. Saw it about a year later on TV, around late 1990. Great Movie. Have never seen it on DVD. Must be out there though...
VCR/DVD COPIES ON EBAY
Reminds me of the Tour of Duty series in the 1990s.
Bravo - Great Movie / Great Cast. Thank You R Lee Ermey - GUNNY.
4:52 I like how that guy in the back is just chilling eating an apple
:p
NVA officer "advising" the VC.
"F'd their garden up something awful". Fell over laughing. That was funny.
BRAVO.
funny
We were treated like crap by the American people when we returned home. That was their thanks for our service. Still hurts.
MUCH RESPECT FROM CANADA WE LOVE OUR VETS
50 YEAR OLD VET HERE..WE LOVE AND RESPECT YOU GUYS BROTHER
we won that war by 1970 V ability to project power to oceania indian ocean or western pacific
had been vanquished.....in 1960 vietnam communists were a continental force
in 1970 they were a ruined army, with only enough power to move
100 miles east or west. they ended up with cambodiw and laos. but they lost the war,
cuase the expansion never occured. thanks to people like you. today australaia new zealand
phillipines twiain india fiji indonesia.....and some more are free. all of them were
on the communists list. it took everything you had but today south east asia is a passified
region. with soon great great grand children passing down stories f what occurs if they
attempt the exporting of there idiologies beyond the region.
Sir, you fought the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place. That was not the fault of the soldiers on the ground. And America didn't lose. You just left. South Vietnam lost the war.
@@raybon7939 That is the wierdest interpretation of the history I think I've encountered. Because Australia and New Zealand arn't part of Vietnam, North Vietnam lost the war?!?!? It's like saying the Nazis won WW2 because the moon isn't a province of Poland. Not being political here, but your analysis is beyond desperate - it's bonkers!
Dude: "They're breaking through! You hold this line Murphy!"
*Dude gets up and leaves*
Murphy: "Thanks LOL."
ha ha :)
I saw this movie on cable and loved it. Never did find it anywhere else
Free on ROUKU
1:05 "Picked a Fine Time To Leave Me Lucille"".
Released in 1977......2 Years after the war was over.
Cause it took Kenny two years to find out Lucy left his sorry ass
I'm searching for this movie since time immemorial. Thanks.
MOVIE ERROR: The movie takes place in 1968 during the Tet Offensive. At the airbase, a US soldier quotes "You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille" as he is boarding a helicopter going to Firebase Gloria. The quote is the chorus to a Kenny Rogers song called "Lucille". However, that song was not written or released until 1977 - 9 years later.
Where do you think Kenny Rogers got the lines to that song? LOL!!!!
The Artist.....The first Edition granted that was 1 March 1968 60 plus days after TET.
Another movie error, eight military nurses died in Vietnam, seven Army and one Air Force. None died in combat. One nurse, Sharon Lane died from shrapnel from a rocket attack.
This film shows all the military sophistication of children playing cowboys and Indians. North Vietnamese regulars would never have charged the wire like that in broad daylight and US troops would have used heavy weapons rather than rifles and grenades to repel them.
We lost over 5,000 choppers in the Vietnam war, plus, over 500 aircraft. Hueys flew only about 110 mph max and had very little armor. The copters were expendable but not our air crews!
What this FB needs pronto is Spooky, aka Puff. Not one fb ever fell to the commies while under the protection of these gunships THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WAR. I watched them in action near Marble Mountain and from a road to Khe Sahn. Breathtaking!
@Fat Cat yes, too bad or Charlie would literally look like Swiss cheese full of holes, smell like Limburger cheese on a commie red bowl of Pho.
And for the records everyone, I apologize for the bad video quality...the DVD transfer on this film isn't...well as "modern" as most movies.
Very good Vietnam film! Good cast.
First part at around :17 reminds me of ALIENS with Hicks teaching Ripley how to use the pulse rifle.
"Dammit, I missed! But I fucked up their garden somethin' awful." LOL
@TheSpaceHamster...This movie was shot in the philippines...I remeber I was a kid when I saw this movie...the boy at the end of the movie shouted Nanay which means mommy...some vietcongs were filipino actors...THANKS for the great video..
Ermey was a drill instructor at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego, California, and Parris Island, South Carolina from 1965 to 1967. In 1968, Ermey arrived in Vietnam where he served for 14 months with the Marine Wing Support Group 17. He then served two tours of duty in Okinawa, Japan, during which he rose to the rank of Staff Sergeant (E-6) and was medically discharged in 1972 for several injuries incurred during his tours
sass225 Damn missed him by that much. I wish I had met him there.
@@shinjaokinawa5122 not me, I hated DIs more than Marine Corps chow!
It's a good movie. The only problem I have with Hollywood is that they always present the commies as humane, gallant. After this attack, a grunt was making sure all the dead were really dead under the watchful eye of the VC CO. He said to a sniper close to him: 'Kill that animal' horrified by what the soldier was doing. Later in the same movie, when Charlie is about to overrun the base, they get into the field hospital killing the wounded, nurses and medics. No comments of their actions. In this case they were not animals
Yes, you were right in a more subtle way back then. Now it is just right in your face America is bad patriotism is wrong and communism and Marxism is the only answer for a utopian society. What a load of crap! I am still waiting for these snowflakes to leave such a bad place. Agree with me or not, if we lose this war on America, freedom will be extinguished as we know it.
Nicely said ...my thoughts are the same
What.
Remembwr that hollywood supported the commies. Still do.
I wonder if the people who made this movie spent twenty seconds checking what Vietcong uniforms actually looked like...to say nothing of VC assault tactics.
Hey, they couldn’t even get the dirt right.
Yes. Vietnamese general: "Our foolproof battle plan is to just bums rush the fortified enemy base in broad daylight. Nah, we won't need any fire support."
Harry Ford
Maybe they had a surplus of soldiers
@@HO-bndk in real war, we will crash that firebase by artillery or tank
I remember back when I was in high school and reading the daily newspaper about the War in Vietnam. It seemed like every day there were 77 American soldiers killed in action.
I could never figure out why every outpost didn't have some air support backing it up and why so many outposts were overrun by the enemy.
I've seen this movie on MGMHD more than once!
"You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille" had not been recorded in 1968 or whenever this was supposed to be.
Most of you didn't notice Kenny Rogers back in the latrine, drawers down and guitar on lap, working out a new song. Thought he'd call it Lucille as Mary Lou just didn't work for him.
It was wonderful to see Major Merle the napalm driver, dropping a load on the Mall at that small stage near the monument. Ray, Ray Epps, you be small as nickels, your whole stack, on green grass.
No Claymores?
No bullets hitting the ground?
God, bless Ermey.
Wherever he is.
RIP Sarge. You more then earned it
"If the Army and the Navy ever look on Heaven's scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines."
I think we all know where he is.
ERMEY was there ordering French fries !
This movie should have been the second half of full metal jacket instead of ermy getting killed and then showing those prostitutes
THE COIN WAS FLIPPED
Your right. FMJ kinda died after boot camp.
@DeathclokIn this movie it was both VC and NVA
A full clip? Try, A full mag.... You had one line.
This flick kicks ass. Chopper pilot was a maniac.
"Guess we'd do the same if Charlie occupied South Carolina." FUCKIN' A, WE WOULD!
North Dakota, eh not so much.
😋 Just joking!
No, not really. Charlie can have South Carolina, Georgia, 'Bama, Mississippi, Lousyana, and Ticksass. No charge.
@@thunderchief7the Carolinas wanted to stay with the British in 1776. And around 1861, 13 states left the United States of America to form another country called The Confederate States of America. And in Charleston harbor, attacked a U.S. fort like Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. I have no idea how they were admitted back into the USA.
Best there is .....still to this day bro
Screen play was written by R lee filmed in the Philippines you can see how authentic R lee made the film drawing in his actual experiences in Vietnam. There was no fire base called Gloria but there were Marine Fire bases attacked like this during the Tet Offense.
I agree...however The Gunney was an air winger.
"I see it! In the tree-line!" (pointing out the 12.7 gun)
If I were the pilot, I would've said
"Oh, tree-line, great. WE'RE IN A JUNGLE MATE, WHICH F-ING TREE-LINE?!?"
the battle was in clearing, he also pointed which tree-line
Not VC though they are there. This is an NVA assault under the command of an NVA officer (one star)
I was with the 2nd Batt 8th Cav ABN 1st Air Cav Div Vietnam 68/69Thank GOD, they saved my life THREE TIMES!!!
Honor and Courage.
2:58
Horizontal Butt Stroke!
6:48
Check out the air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror. Ooolala
Never knew you could fold up the M58 flak jacket like that pilot did in the office, my issued one weighed about 12 pounds and had hard plates Not many 30 round magazines at that time either
1968 TET. No, not unlimited ammo, if you recall emery requests they bring back more. In a situation you pick up the enemies weapons. An attack like this, as has been pointed out, would have happened at night. The movie company lacked the budget for the special lighting. Given the circumstances it is not a bad presentation of actual events. One other thing, thank God those chopper pilots were just that daring. That's why if you go to the army aviation museum at ft Rucker Alabama you will find so many crews listed on the wall of honor from Vietnam. Those are the ones killed
When a slick showed up over the base, at least outgoing mortar and artillery fire would stop to prevent hitting the bird. And yes, when I was contemplating my future mos back in the late 70s, we were given a statistic (not sure how true it was) that the average life expectancy of a helicopter pilot in a combat zone was something under 20 seconds. True or not, they certainly had balls of brass - how they fit them into the chopper, nobody knows.
4:54....🖕🖕🦱🦰🦱🤣🤣🤣
Wasn't to bad until the dialog in the choppa!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did I see Gunny Ermey there?
Holy crap, the VC invaded the hills of California? I didn’t know that!
They filmed this in the Phillipines.
We don't know them all, be we owe them all.
Sory for your loss. You Dad was a warrior. God bless him.
Respect The Vet THE OLD WAYS ARE STILL ALIVE
BRAVO.
As a Marine combat veteran I prefer the movies, “We Were Soldiers” or “Hamburger hill”, or “Platoon.” I can relate to them.
Don't forget fmj
Ermey in this movie too
"f'ed up their garden somethin aweful"
I like how there are just nurses at a combat base, and the VC basically Banzai charged them.
Hafner: [Jones has just told Hafner about the presence of female medical staff located elsewhere on Firebase Gloria] The shit's gettin' pretty goddamned deep around here. Is there any nuns or Girl Scouts that I should know about on the firebase?
Jones: That's what happens when you inherit wealth.
Its currently on netflix if anyone was looking to watch
Hoodman UK ulpiano
1of best vietnam movies ever.
I heard R. Lee Ermey .
I like this version better than blueray. Is this vhs or dvd?
Don't talk shit about Gunny, this movie is such a Gem that if One doesn't have it in their Vietnam War Collection, "You are Wrong!" Semper Fi Matho-Facko's!
Great to see the gunny
Knew it was bad but I didn't know how bad it was until I saw it on the History channel 35 or so years later. Some Fire base in the Ah Shau...101st 1970. They ended up in incountry R&R to recoup when we were there. Guy went crazy and went down to the village cursing and pointing his M-16 at the Vietnamese Navy families..foam was coming out of his mouth. Guy in my hootch slipped up behind him and knocked out before they killed him. His war was over..wonder what else.
o7
What movie is this? It's badass!
Salute all vets all over the world god bless
You rarely see R Lee Ermey with an AK-47
if its a firebase where are the cannons? p.s. this is one hell of a good vietnam war movie, can you put the entire movie on youtube and not just clips of it? because this movie looks awesome and R Lee Ermey is in it. thank you.
Rthe cheeze 1980s is strong with this one but long live the gunny you will be missed
I knew a guy who was reputed to have killed VC with an entrenching tool, Nice fella, family man, a legend in the Australian army. I was a friend of his son when I was a regular infantryman, it burned my section commander that I drank beer with Bernie LeSueur.
If you are finding this attack somewhat lacking in credibility I would like to suggest that you look up a book about two Australian Fire Bases, North of Saigon, Fire Base Coral and Fire Base Balmoral, which were regularly attacked by NVA Regiments in Human Wave Assaults at night. The above movie attack was filmed during the day due to budget issues.
The first night at Coral, the base was attacked and nearly overrun, the only thing which saved the day was that one of the 105 mm guns had been turned for a fire support mission and it just so happened that was after the NVA reconnaissance. Had the gun not been facing in the direction of the main attack then in all probability the base would have been overrun with significant loss of Australian lives. As it was the nearest gun, which had shredded the first Human Wave with Flechette rounds was overrun and the gun abandoned, but it and the lifesaving defensive berm around it had done their job. The gun was eventually returned to service with new tires and new gun laying optics.
I have read the book about these two bases several times and it still is gripping seat of the pants stuff as the first battle unfolds.
Eventually the Australian soldiers occupying the bases learnt to read the signs of an impending attack and were prepared, sadly the NVA officers in command lacked the ability to think flexibly to change the direction or method of attack and repeated the same attacks over and over again at great cost in NVA conscripts and VC support teams lives.
Well as far as I could tell from the literature, whenever the NVA wanted to assault a fortified positioin (firebase; basecamp, what have you); they recon the heck out of it, build a scale sand table model out of it & then drill those bo doi draftees to practice practice practice till they can do it in the dark & in their sleep. They rely on a quick bombardment to knock out crew served weapons & blow down barbed wire & then try to swamp the defenders with bodies. IF all goes will, things work out as planned---IF they don't (fortifications get moved; crew served weapons are not knocked out-whatever) then the assault gets massacred because the average NVA lacks 'improvisation skills'.
Another excellent account of a firebase under constant attack is Abandoned In Hell, about Firebase Kate.
Reading the book "Firebase Illingworth" really gives insight into PAVN night attacks. Mind you, this was in 1970 and at that time, it was strategic policy to set up firebases near the South Vietnamese/Cambodian border to stop the flow of supplies from the Ho Chi Minh Trail. They knew they were going to be attacked and thanks to artillery pieces at Illingworth and surrounding Firebases, they managed to repel the attack of around 400 enemy troops. Not, however, before their ammunition dump blew up.
Why sadly, the NVA officers etc. did you want more Australian lives to be lost?
Everyone is firing from the hip on full auto and no reloading. Ah the good old days. Was this a Golan Globus production?
WOW....This looks SO real !!!
It looked totally real!!!
Enjoy the brief cameo by R. Lee Ermey at 6:50. Semper Fi!
@5:50..
That look
"Should I have carnitas or chicken tinga?"
Everyone else in line is like "seriously? Now he's trying to decide? "
lol, this must be shot in the Philippines cause that commander is a Filipino actor
Drops mag at 1:40. Finally get's new mag inserted at 1:52.
My grandma was able to get out of her lift chair, go to the toilet and get back to her chair and not miss a fired round.
My favourite movie when I was in teen...
I remember seeing previews for this on pay per view in 1990
I saw this on Viewer's Choice PPV when I was a kid. lol
6:49 😳 Is that Lee Emery?
It’s like Vietnam filmed in Arizona or Commiefornia.
Only a single Huey was in budget too:
yes it's Emery. It was filmed in the Philippines.
"Commiefornia." Obviously, you've never lived in Massachusetts or New York.
Commiefornia lol love it bunch of soyboys trying to run the country
@@64MDW commie York or commiechusettes doesn't have the same ring
Yup it's Emery from Sunny Alta California hoo rah
He quotes "Lucille" by Kenny Rogers just before jumping in that helicopter. Well that isn't correct as that song didn't come out until 1977, two years after the Vietnam War was over. Saigon fell to the communists in 1975.
clemsonbloke maybe he wrote the song and gave it to Kenny Rogers
Just watched this video. The VC officer with mustache was portrayed by an award winning veteran Filipino Actor.
When the enemy order to withdraw, all the dead got up and ran back
Holy shit! They turned to zombies? Wow! 🤪
@@jamesalexander3530
power of zombie vietcong
3:03 those four VC guys who get blown out of that trench!
Now that's disciplined troops!!
The Vietnamese were not the enemy, The Americans were!
Kenny Rodgers song "Lucille" didn't come out until 1977.