The funny thing about this scene...Those flamethrowers didn't carry as much fuel is that. They were meant to be used in short bursts precisely because they had a limited fuel capacity. In reality, if Warren had spent the entire run up to the gun position hosing down the whole forest and everything in sight like he does here, by the time he actually came close to his intended target the goddamn thing would have been empty.
@@peterlonergan No telling what anyone would do in this situation. The first thought is usually disbelief at what you are seeing. The second thought is usually “I don’t want any part of this crazy MF’er and I am getting my ass out of here”. This is very similar to Lt Speirs wild dash at Foy in Band of Brothers when he ran amongst the Germans and no one fired at him
There’s a lot of badass characters in these war movies like Animal Mother from FMJ, RSM Sandy Young from Wild Geese,Bunny,Elias and Barnes from Platoon but if I could pick somebody for a fire team partner, it would be Sgt Talbot. That guy’s a fearless little pitbull. It was sad to see him did but that’s badass they got him and the medic to sneak away with them for fire support. Badass that Talbot had the PIG at the final assault.
This is the reason Every!! "Elected Government Official" should have someone in THEIR families. In the military working the front line!! I'm sure things would be A LOT different..
I had the thought, that maybe they could've sent both Baxter & Warren up together, & had the others have backup, like they did, that way it was a team attack, & with everyone working together, maybe Baxter wouldn't have freaked out having to be the first & only one going up alone...?
That was the initial plan but baxter and warren both ate shit while the rest were covering them and so the germans had time to turn all their attention on them. In reality their CO thought itd be easier taking those guns but the replacements kinda fucked it all up
Give Warren an unlimited supply of flame throwers and caffeine and he could have burned down the whole damn forest. The raging inferno along with Warren's legendary war cry would have caused the entire German army west of the Rhine to surrender en mass. The down side would have been the inevitable high casualty rate to friendly "fire" and the squirrel and bunny population would have been decimated.
lol,thanks for the compliment!(although i dont think i can become the president of YT ^^)..I have a copy of the 2008 movie "Australia",although i am in a dilemma on whether i should upload it (copyright issues)
I absolutely believe Manning shot Baxter because Baxter flipped out, went into a panic mode that could have caused the others to, also, panic and thereby get mowed down. It takes a tough person to make a tough decision, without hesitation, when it means saving lives. It was the right and only thing Manning could do.
Even if it was a hard choice, nobody deserves to burn to death like that... FFS the least he could've followed it up with enough bullets to mercy-kill the guy who's dying an agonising death. -_-
I think "coward" is the wrong word. he's more selfish or narcissistic. he's a smart capable man who is absolutely determined to survive if at all possible, and will play the meta-game to do it. I think if he was a coward he would let himself get court-marshalled.
Every so often you hear stories of them unearthing remains of American and German soldiers as well as local civilians killed during the battle. The whole area is very “spooky” because of the dense forest, deep valleys and quietness of the area. If you go there with any sense of what happened there you immediately see the reason it was such a “meatgrinder”!
I think this got overshadowed by SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and THE THIN RED LINE, but it shouldn’t have been…Ron Eldard is great in a leading role, and his character is refreshingly complicated
In every game exploding ammo is portrayed similiar, and I don't talk about Call Of Duty :) also in serious mods and Jarhead film. So I don't think it's just the "low budget" thingy, it just might look like that I guess. (I was trying to find any video showing the ammo explosion inside tanks or stuff like that but no luck so far)
LOL idk why, but sandy's attack really made me laugh. cuz maybe like, i was imagining what the german art. crew was thinking...like....watching a guy burn after being shot by his own officers, then a husky american man waddling in with a flamethrower screaming like a banshee. they're like...WTfff--schnell!! xD
@Sturmdude I understand that - I'm sure Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers also showed the example with Tiger I's; since there's only 6 surviving Tiger I tanks around the world (with the 131 captured in Tunisia the only decent one left functioning), they built a smaller TIGER I model on T-34 tank treads.... Or A Bridge too Far when they used a diff Panther.. For this I realized it didn't exactly resemble a Panzer IV but I just wanted to know if it was meant to represent a Panzer IV Ausf F
I feel like im the only one who cringed during the entire firefight. They completely fucked up the suprise attack on those guns in the funniest way possible
@PeterMayer i am German/American too, my grandfather was in a Panzer division during the fight at Bastone and i Study history almost every day, during Operation Barborossa the Germans destroyed the Red Army in months, and i could say if the germans wernt fighting a three front war then the americans wouldve taken the full force of the German Army, but you are right the battle at bastone was a show of how brave the Americans were
I'm glad we american didnt fight that ahit alone. Would have been a real hand full. And more dead of us if it for other countries already been involved before we came into the picture. One could imagine we might have lost at some point. Who knows?
@zyzor this is exactly what they did to allied soldiers very frequentlly, the allies did not do this very often because they followed the rules of war.
Hmmm ... this film for starters we have Panzer IV Ausf H rather than Tiger I and Panther tanks .... :S and the fact in When Trumpets Fade it portrays nothing of how the U.S. won the battle in a single film and how the protagonist is one whom was the tragic hero and well ironically ends up in the same fate as what he was doing in the first film
The significance is that it lies on the bottom of the trail at the end of the trail that leads down from Vossenach. Once the Kall is crossed the trail winds up to Kommerscheidt and then leads into Schmidt. Tanks needed to have a way to cross the stream. Today there is a stone arched bridge there. During the battle I believe the original bridge had been destroyed and engineers had built a Bailey bridge for troops and armor to cross. Have been down this trail many times. Even though the Kall is more like a creek here, it would have been a major bottleneck for tanks without an intact bridge!
No, the lieutenant was hiding in it, crossed the whole river and the water barely reached his waist. The movie clearly depicts the river as insignificant and not a mighty obstacle. The whole point of the movie was to show that everyone pretty much died taking a fortified position that had no strategic value, it could have easily been bypassed but the officers wanted to do a "good job" and impress their boss and happily sent their men to their deaths to achieve mission accomplishment. And they weren't even able to take it in the end, it was just a pointless meat grinder.
@@kevinlehnert9387 agree with your points about this being a pointless battle as a whole. At the company level, the officers, non commissioned officers and enlisted were simply following the orders of battalion, regimental, divisional and Corps level leaders who were largely detached from what was going on on the ground. In order to get even a half way appreciation of what company grade soldiers were up against, you have to actually “walk” that ground between Vossenach and Schmidt and then factor in the weather and how long the Germans had to prepare a defense there. What looks like relatively short distances on a map and even from standing in Vossenach and looking across to the area of Kommerscheidt is terribly deceiving. The selection of the Kall Trail as a main supply route was probably done with a map recon at higher levels and handed to the regiment charged with making the attack. A first hand recon would have quickly established that it was entirely inadequate to support tracked vehicles and provide enough supply throughput to support a regimental sized attack. As I have said, I have walked this trail several times. Not carrying equipment, not facing enemy resistance and not starting out cold, wet, hungry and scared shitless, I was totally spent by the time I walked from Vossenach to Kommerscheidt! The so called river at this point is not worthy of the name “river”. It is a wide brook but again would have been a “bottleneck” for any tracked vehicles that may have made it down into the gorge from Vossenach to start a winding trek up the other side, almost as steep, towards Kommerscheidt.
@JSLegoMaster AND people forget about the massacres Stalin ordered of Russians. About 40 million if I stand correct. If anyone is sure of the number please post.
Cheer up mate,i just posted the last video of the movie..hope you've had fun watching it!As for the response to gokory's question:it might sound a bit unappreciative,but hey!TH-cam is all about sharing,i'd know the feeling of frustration well when i wanted to watch a movie online but it just isnt there!
He was running away in the opposite direction and the other men were about to “break” with him. Manning did the only thing he could to keep that from happening! It has been said that in combat, Baxter’s behavior is often contagious and once someone “breaks” and runs, others will soon follow!
@@Muhammad-uu3nu Some would view what Baxter did as cowardice but I would not be as judgmental. I would say that he simply panicked under some very understandable circumstances. It is this “panic” that tends to spread of not checked right away.
It's a crime that this movie doesn't get more recognition. What a fantastic film!
I remember when it came out in 1998.
Gets to me when Manning realized he was in that situation earlier but now he's being carried and he laughed
The funny thing about this scene...Those flamethrowers didn't carry as much fuel is that. They were meant to be used in short bursts precisely because they had a limited fuel capacity. In reality, if Warren had spent the entire run up to the gun position hosing down the whole forest and everything in sight like he does here, by the time he actually came close to his intended target the goddamn thing would have been empty.
Not to mention the target he's making himself. If I was a German soldier I know where I'd be shooting.
@@peterlonergan No telling what anyone would do in this situation. The first thought is usually disbelief at what you are seeing. The second thought is usually “I don’t want any part of this crazy MF’er and I am getting my ass out of here”. This is very similar to Lt Speirs wild dash at Foy in Band of Brothers when he ran amongst the Germans and no one fired at him
His range should have been alot better too
There’s a lot of badass characters in these war movies like Animal Mother from FMJ, RSM Sandy Young from Wild Geese,Bunny,Elias and Barnes from Platoon but if I could pick somebody for a fire team partner, it would be Sgt Talbot. That guy’s a fearless little pitbull. It was sad to see him did but that’s badass they got him and the medic to sneak away with them for fire support. Badass that Talbot had the PIG at the final assault.
I love this movie
Great movie! One of the best war depictions.
Brutally well done. AND TOTALLY UNDERRATED.
Nice job👍
This movie should be much better known.
This is the reason Every!! "Elected Government Official" should have someone in THEIR families. In the military working the front line!! I'm sure things would be A LOT different..
YES!!
You still there been a decade
warren, medal of honor right on the spot
They even had the ceremony on that same hill 5 minutes after.
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i like the way he runs during the chase
And down went Lonnie. Despin! Where are you going?
Its funny when the 88 announcer said," I'll tear your ass off American!" But they didn't subtitle it.
FLAMETHROWER guy is such an easy target, I don't think Germans could miss the shot. It looks like the artillery guys are not good at rifle shooting.
I had the thought, that maybe they could've sent both Baxter & Warren up together, & had the others have backup, like they did, that way it was a team attack, & with everyone working together, maybe Baxter wouldn't have freaked out having to be the first & only one going up alone...?
That was the initial plan but baxter and warren both ate shit while the rest were covering them and so the germans had time to turn all their attention on them. In reality their CO thought itd be easier taking those guns but the replacements kinda fucked it all up
such an underrated movie
This was a good HBO film, there were heavy casualties in the Battle Of The Hurtgen Forest.
Give Warren an unlimited supply of flame throwers and caffeine and he could have burned down the whole damn forest. The raging inferno along with Warren's legendary war cry would have caused the entire German army west of the Rhine to surrender en mass. The down side would have been the inevitable high casualty rate to friendly "fire" and the squirrel and bunny population would have been decimated.
The PzIVs look like a Very-Armored one xd
lol,thanks for the compliment!(although i dont think i can become the president of YT ^^)..I have a copy of the 2008 movie "Australia",although i am in a dilemma on whether i should upload it (copyright issues)
Masterpeice
77,788,600 people died in the war, May God rest they're soul
Not just one tank. Two tanks. Tigers.
7:40
I used to do that in cod with the flame throughr attachment. Good times. Screaming "AHHHH!!" While burning everyone to a crisp. 😂
😂😂😂
Atleast you lived. And I did the same thing. Minus the screaming
I don't think that the germans were that stupid, just standing there and firing without cover
Well, most people think its like in games every squad got one but well mostly they gave you a bazooka if they knew you gotta need it for objectives.
I absolutely believe Manning shot Baxter because Baxter flipped out, went into a panic mode that could have caused the others to, also, panic and thereby get mowed down. It takes a tough person to make a tough decision, without hesitation, when it means saving lives. It was the right and only thing Manning could do.
Also, he could pose a great threat to his platoon.
Even if it was a hard choice, nobody deserves to burn to death like that... FFS the least he could've followed it up with enough bullets to mercy-kill the guy who's dying an agonising death. -_-
Warren shows no Quarter to the gun crew....
@brickfilmproduction1 They held 8 seconds' worth.
The premise of this movie was disturbing. A coward that demonstrated great bravery in order to carry out his cowardice.
Say what? And who are you referring to
I think "coward" is the wrong word. he's more selfish or narcissistic. he's a smart capable man who is absolutely determined to survive if at all possible, and will play the meta-game to do it. I think if he was a coward he would let himself get court-marshalled.
crazy soldier
If you watched the next part, you start to understand
Welcome to the Bloody Bucket, the 28th Division.
Such a slow death, by flamethrower carried by a screaming (American)eagle
i bet if i go there now. 72 years later i would find bones of dead soldiers that fought there
Every so often you hear stories of them unearthing remains of American and German soldiers as well as local civilians killed during the battle. The whole area is very “spooky” because of the dense forest, deep valleys and quietness of the area. If you go there with any sense of what happened there you immediately see the reason it was such a “meatgrinder”!
I think this got overshadowed by SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and THE THIN RED LINE, but it shouldn’t have been…Ron Eldard is great in a leading role, and his character is refreshingly complicated
i did see the whole movie in fact it used to be my favorite! but he said " wed still be fighting those 88s" but i dont get why
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No need for Rambo then, Warren will suffice :)
Must be! Look it up in Wikipedia or something if you want. Glad you're interested in WWII! :)
so true
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there is one with a bazooka at 4:03 he´s in the right corner of the screen.
In every game exploding ammo is portrayed similiar, and I don't talk about Call Of Duty :) also in serious mods and Jarhead film. So I don't think it's just the "low budget" thingy, it just might look like that I guess. (I was trying to find any video showing the ammo explosion inside tanks or stuff like that but no luck so far)
Anyone notice how they call him Captain but also Lieutenant?
Who you talking. About
LOL idk why, but sandy's attack really made me laugh. cuz maybe like, i was imagining what the german art. crew was thinking...like....watching a guy burn after being shot by his own officers, then a husky american man waddling in with a flamethrower screaming like a banshee. they're like...WTfff--schnell!! xD
Happy new year (After Flak cannon gets blown up!) :D
lol those blanks sound like .22 shells going off lol
LOL, maybe those tanks would have enough for a full 9 second not an endless supply.
@Sturmdude I understand that - I'm sure Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers also showed the example with Tiger I's; since there's only 6 surviving Tiger I tanks around the world (with the 131 captured in Tunisia the only decent one left functioning), they built a smaller TIGER I model on T-34 tank treads.... Or A Bridge too Far when they used a diff Panther..
For this I realized it didn't exactly resemble a Panzer IV but I just wanted to know if it was meant to represent a Panzer IV Ausf F
They are definitely a type of panzer IV I just dont remember which one
I TAPed this on Austar back in 2000
@HeirofGojira91 it looks like they dressed a more modern tanks up to look like a panzer IV but they fail at making it look authentic.
@davor1873 how can you accuse someone of that when you weren't even there??
shit warren gets picked on alot, "warren, your first", "warren take point" and he gets the flame thrower
Gotta mold the sheep into wolves
I feel like im the only one who cringed during the entire firefight. They completely fucked up the suprise attack on those guns in the funniest way possible
7:16 Warren wins WWII
Baxter became POW, which stood for Pussy Of War.
Tank u
@@Frankie-O he died actually
Baxter burned because Manning shot the flamethrower; he didn't have a choice because they still would've been taking the fire from those 88s.
Gosh, those 88mm flak guns look so ridiculous, the barrel doesn't even move backwards when shots are fired.
WOOOO!!
FATMAN WITH FLAMETHROWER!!!
Warren burned them out himself.
Classic
@PeterMayer
i am German/American too, my grandfather was in a Panzer division during the fight at Bastone and i Study history almost every day, during Operation Barborossa the Germans destroyed the Red Army in months, and i could say if the germans wernt fighting a three front war then the americans wouldve taken the full force of the German Army, but you are right the battle at bastone was a show of how brave the Americans were
I'm glad we american didnt fight that ahit alone. Would have been a real hand full. And more dead of us if it for other countries already been involved before we came into the picture. One could imagine we might have lost at some point. Who knows?
the fireworks are probably made due to the shells burning and igniting...though those don't look like shell explosions
Your right
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nahh it was two different guys
1:17 LT just running for cover no gear nothing
Yea that's surprising but she'll shock is a firghtneing thing
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The 88s almost look like one of the Russian artillery guns because of the mussel brake
The design does look different from the 88s I usually see in games and movies. So you could be right
I know it’s just an inaccurate movie but, you do not run with your thrower lit. Only 9 sec of fuel.
He screamed longer than i can keep my breath for
Oh wow... Now I'm really confused. Thanks anyways. :P
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The only thing I disliked, were the sound effects to the M1 rifles. Sounds like someone clicking their tongue.
Actually there where. Beauitful especially the mp40s
I noticed they had two different sounds for them none of them sound like what u said
Poor warren
@Rumble578 戰鼓平息(Taiwan)
So Tank at 9:41 onwards is a Panzer IV? Or is it a Tiger with skirts?
Those stent tigers. I different type of panzer IV
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riptorra556, Manning shot him in the back because everyone but him was about to run, you saw despin trying to go with him.
GO WARREN
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@zyzor this is exactly what they did to allied soldiers very frequentlly, the allies did not do this very often because they followed the rules of war.
I call this necessary. Teach them not to start shit they cant finish
is this a low-budget movie? i mean it's pretty good and it's real but look at the effects godamn fireworks :O
That's what's happens when ammunition is lite on fire it has that effect.
Artillery barrage!
What a damn mess
@ACDCtheTHIRTEENTH
It's not real?
Hmmm ... this film for starters we have Panzer IV Ausf H rather than Tiger I and Panther tanks .... :S and the fact in When Trumpets Fade it portrays nothing of how the U.S. won the battle in a single film and how the protagonist is one whom was the tragic hero and well ironically ends up in the same fate as what he was doing in the first film
I'm glad it's done this way. Its beauitful in it's own way
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6?! try 60+ million.
Houve momento que parecia o inferno para tropa americana verdade.
@RTSGAMER81: We Won - They Lost, nuff said.
whyd manning shoot the flamethrower baxter guy?? didnt he want him to do that
Conph he started running away and breaking the morale of the other replacements
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@paolofanderson Maybe in the German or Soviet army, not in the Allied armys however.
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When Trumpets Fade (1998)
Why do the 88mm rounds look like 76mm rounds?
lol fireworks
That's normal ammo gets lite on fire
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The Kall river is in reality an insignificant mountain stream, in this film it is apparently a mighty obstacle .
The significance is that it lies on the bottom of the trail at the end of the trail that leads down from Vossenach. Once the Kall is crossed the trail winds up to Kommerscheidt and then leads into Schmidt. Tanks needed to have a way to cross the stream. Today there is a stone arched bridge there. During the battle I believe the original bridge had been destroyed and engineers had built a Bailey bridge for troops and armor to cross. Have been down this trail many times. Even though the Kall is more like a creek here, it would have been a major bottleneck for tanks without an intact bridge!
No, the lieutenant was hiding in it, crossed the whole river and the water barely reached his waist. The movie clearly depicts the river as insignificant and not a mighty obstacle. The whole point of the movie was to show that everyone pretty much died taking a fortified position that had no strategic value, it could have easily been bypassed but the officers wanted to do a "good job" and impress their boss and happily sent their men to their deaths to achieve mission accomplishment. And they weren't even able to take it in the end, it was just a pointless meat grinder.
@@kevinlehnert9387 agree with your points about this being a pointless battle as a whole. At the company level, the officers, non commissioned officers and enlisted were simply following the orders of battalion, regimental, divisional and Corps level leaders who were largely detached from what was going on on the ground. In order to get even a half way appreciation of what company grade soldiers were up against, you have to actually “walk” that ground between Vossenach and Schmidt and then factor in the weather and how long the Germans had to prepare a defense there. What looks like relatively short distances on a map and even from standing in Vossenach and looking across to the area of Kommerscheidt is terribly deceiving. The selection of the Kall Trail as a main supply route was probably done with a map recon at higher levels and handed to the regiment charged with making the attack. A first hand recon would have quickly established that it was entirely inadequate to support tracked vehicles and provide enough supply throughput to support a regimental sized attack. As I have said, I have walked this trail several times. Not carrying equipment, not facing enemy resistance and not starting out cold, wet, hungry and scared shitless, I was totally spent by the time I walked from Vossenach to Kommerscheidt! The so called river at this point is not worthy of the name “river”. It is a wide brook but again would have been a “bottleneck” for any tracked vehicles that may have made it down into the gorge from Vossenach to start a winding trek up the other side, almost as steep, towards Kommerscheidt.
he had no reason to shoot his back! idk why he would do that!
That's where the fuel canister is. You saw the rest
He was giving away his position and going off track. I suppose it was either shoot him or risk everyone’s life??
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2:34. I bet people actually did cry in World War 2 and wished they'd never join the army.
Watching this makes my mind tense up and sadness builds up in my chest
A lot of GIs were conscripts… they never got a choice to join.
@JSLegoMaster AND people forget about the massacres Stalin ordered of Russians. About 40 million if I stand correct. If anyone is sure of the number please post.
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Cheer up mate,i just posted the last video of the movie..hope you've had fun watching it!As for the response to gokory's question:it might sound a bit unappreciative,but hey!TH-cam is all about sharing,i'd know the feeling of frustration well when i wanted to watch a movie online but it just isnt there!
Can soebody tell me why he killed his own man (the flametjrower). I dont get this 😥
His team was about to runaway. He had to prevent that. Being shot for fleeing motivated his men. It was either beat the Germans or die.
@@emtpilot132 Thanks for your explanation. But frankly i dont see that that buddy was running away except that he was out of control.
He was running away in the opposite direction and the other men were about to “break” with him. Manning did the only thing he could to keep that from happening! It has been said that in combat, Baxter’s behavior is often contagious and once someone “breaks” and runs, others will soon follow!
@@geodes4762 thanks for your explanation. I understand better now
@@Muhammad-uu3nu Some would view what Baxter did as cowardice but I would not be as judgmental. I would say that he simply panicked under some very understandable circumstances. It is this “panic” that tends to spread of not checked right away.
@tuner554 umh thanks, but I really don't need your spelling lessons
Too much random warrior screaming while holding hte trigger down.. :D
Not warrior. Just fear of death
it is hilarious... haha....