Fantic has developed a big bore yz310 4-stroke for Europe. Fantic is using a Yamaha frame and engine with their own proprietary components and body work. It's a fucking banger!!
The Ktm 350 is one of the most reliable engines built. I’m by no means a fan boy. But both my 450 and 350 Austrian bikes have 150+ hours. With no engine work done. Just oil, air filters and clutch dampers on the 450….
@@OtisFlintare you high? All my yz’s have never had a problem. My friend has 5 kids that have all Yamaha 250f’s all well over 100 hrs no problems. Several ppl I know have 200hrs.. would I let mine go that long without new piston rings? No but even all magazines have said time and time again Yamaha out of all their test bikes are the most reliable and less problematic bike!!!
Here is an interesting possibility, especially since it was Kailub Russell they hired: A YZ350FX (pure GNCC/MX race), a WR350F (somewhat corked for trail), and (down the line) a WR350R (really corked up as a dual sport replacing the WR250R) all sporting 6 speed gearboxes like the YZ250FX. No need for a YZ350F as the FX version could easily cover: 1) average Joe Open MX and ALL "average Joe" off-road applications. 2) Open Pro XC1 GNCC/Enduro, while the YZ450F would cover 450 Pro MX/SX with the FX version covering all the Pro WORCS/NGPC/Desert/etc. For manufacturing purposes, same engine platform (w/the WR350R version probably beefed up for reliability and service intervals). The 450 engine is already bulletproof, a 350 bulletproof engine for all the above applications would sell like hotcakes. Of course, a WR350F may not be necessary either (& can even drop the WR250/450Fs), as a WR350R done right could cover the trail. How about it Yamaha?
I had the 2011 350. Bike was amazing. I haven't rode one since, and all the reviews say today's 350s are so much better than the original. I can't imagine how my old 350 could have been better
It's a easy thing for them to do. The math is easy. Reduce the 450 bore to 88mm from 97 mm and shorten the rod 3.3 mm from 60.8 o 57.5. Change the cdi to accommodate Run the 250 head blank move the mounting holes out and there is a 350 YZF.
I liked my Yamaha WR400 but loved my WR450 that much more but I’m a large person. I was able to get them tagged but our state made it a real pain in the arse to renew your tags which I dreaded ever other year. I flipped the coin between the KTM 350 and 500 EXC-F and chose the 350. I am amazed how that little motor can pull my butt up hills. I’d still be on Yamaha if they give us a street legal version 50 state legal but give or sell us an off-road kit to make it barely street legal. I’d love to give a WR350 a shot.
Yes, the 350 will take sales away from 450…it will out sell all bikes and manufactures in its first year, stamp it. I’ll park my husky for a yz, make the dam 350 already
@@jpesicka492 yes I know the history lol, I still think it’s the best bike Yamaha ever made. The 426 is virtually the same bike as the 400 but with a bigger top end and a different crank. The crank and top end of a 426 actually bolt onto the 400 directly. 450 is just sitting on that “too much” mark. I think the 400 is a good middle ground, the thing has more power than I’m ever going to need
I have a yz250f with the max rpm 300cc bore and stroke kit and a wr250 gearbox. That thing is the juice. If yamy made a 350fx i would sell all my bikes to get one..
I’m a Honda guy but Yamaha is my second favourite bike and if they make a 350 before Honda I’d have to get one. I’d still keep my Honda 250 and I’d have one of each. I tried out the Husky 250 compared to my Honda and I couldn’t get comfortable on the Husky. I loved the power of the Husky but I’ve been spoiled with the comfort, simple ness and turning of the Honda. I personally like the aluminum frame better except on a two stroke.
The best selling units from the RED/ORANGE/WHITE group is their 350's. It is way past time for the AMA, FELD, MX SPORTS to tell the manufactures that 350 will be the thing in 2-4 years because the 450's are way to BIG/FAST for stadiums and for just about every normal person that doesn't weight 250++!!
a yz300f(x) would be an awesome bike. it dont neeeed to be a 350, although a 350 would be great. also, put e-start on the yz 2 strokes and ktm would be hurting
If Yamaha is reading this chat, I’ll buy two yz350f. I love my ktm 350 but after 5 years of riding them I just miss that Yamaha feel and aluminum frame
They have it in Europe. It's been developed by Red Moto. They have a 350 and a 400. Fantic has developed a Yamaha engineed yz310 4-stroke for the Italian market. They're racing Enduro GP with it right now and it is fucking awesome
@@Dashriprock4Honda Red Moto has 300 kit for CRF250, my buddy has one. They have a 400 kit which is a detuned 450 also. I don't think they make the 350. Look into it .
@@Dashriprock4 All good, wasn't trying to be a dick. My buddy's from Italy and is friends with the Red Moto guy, that's where he got the 300 kit. Took his stock 250f ECU to him, got it reprogrammed for 300. Bike rips,doesn't like to over Rev like the 250f though.
Yamaha is so incredibly far behind to power curve on a 350F. It's been the bestselling bike for KTM for years. The Japanese are so slow to implement changes in comparison to the Austrian manufacturers.
@@ghav43 Slow to advance. Slow to change. Slow to adapt. Slow to come out with a 350. They are all around slow to make change. Durability is not unmatched at all LOL.
I’m calling bs. I want Yamaha to make a 350 just as much if not more than the next guy but I don’t think this dude knows as much as he thinks he does. I’m talking about whoever it is that said Kaleb helped develop the ktm 350. Bro the 350 came out while Kaleb was still on a super mini. It had been out for a few years before he went pro and got on a 250f. It had been out for almost a decade by the time he made it to xc1. Still hoping dude is right and Yamaha does a 350.
I don't think they will do. Why should they? If they like to, they had 10 years.... Its a hoax. But everybodys dreaming from. If they would, i would be at the dealer tomorrow. Not even fantic will, and they have already the 310 yamaha engine.
Yamaha started this over 10 years ago I helped develop the crank ,stroke and rod length for the motor then the project got shelved for monetary reasons
In my opinion yamaha will not make a 350. The newer 450s are very tunable. You can make a 450 feel like a 300 if you want to. I have done it. I just don't see them doing it money wise. I might be wrong though.
I have been riding mostly KTMs for 15 years. I would by a Honda, Yamaha, or Kawasaki 350 the first week it hit the floor. I have hated every fork KTM ever made, including the new 6500 coil spring fork that is on my 2024 KTM 350 xcf. The 2024 KTM xc's are huge screw up by KTM. The coil spring fork is 10mm shorter making the chasis completely unbalanced, and this is made worse by the '23 & '24 frame that everyone has heard about, on top of all that the engine was rotated backward thus lowering the drive sproket relative to the swingarm pivot which causes the rear swingarm to bind unless you have about 4" of slack in the chain. This is mostly corrected for 2025 motocross models, but the 2025 XC models still have a fork 10mm shorter... DUH KTM. Ok, one more problem with KTM... Chinese parts. Yep, they layed off a bunch of their Austrian workers, and are having some parts made in China. THe radiators for example. I will not be buying another new KTM. THe 2019 to 2022 chassis is a dream compared to the 2023+ chassis. Only problem is that 2019 - 2022 bikes need a spring fork conversion. The air fork was, is, and always will be trash.
@@OtisFlint well sure I have a 2 stone for off road but they surely wouldn’t be making at 360 2 stroke 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️. The market they are missing is the 350F. It has been the #1 selling bike for KTM for many years. Yamaha invests very little money in their 2T’s. They just continue to provide legacy products
WARNING! This panel of professionals is slow. Use the control interface to increase playback speed. ..IF you want to hear about Yamaha's lack of 2-stroke development, or "they came out with the 4-stroke first. So I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with the 350 first." Perhaps this is a leaked out take. 🤔😂🫡
I want a 350 but will not buy a KTM. I’ll buy a YZ 350 in a heartbeat if this is true.
I’m currently a Yamaha guy but I’m curious why you out right won’t buy a KTM?
Japanese bikes the best I’ll buy one but the 2nd year bike
Second that
@@Dirt_Serpent KTM = air forks suck compared to KYB, overpriced bke and parts, cheap metal, unreliable, gonna be made in China ?
@@kruse1105 I had an 01 ktm and it was comparable to my Yamahas, that was an older bike though I’m ignorant to any of the new stuff
Fantic has developed a big bore yz310 4-stroke for Europe. Fantic is using a Yamaha frame and engine with their own proprietary components and body work. It's a fucking banger!!
This was like listening to my friends that arent even casual fans of motocross talk about the sport...
If Yamha go 350
The rest will follow
OMG CRF350R
Take my money now
Imagine a 350 ……with Yamahas reliability
Yamahas are not reliable anymore, unless you're buying a 2 stroke.
I’ll imagine a red 350 with a couple wings, Honda
The Ktm 350 is one of the most reliable engines built. I’m by no means a fan boy. But both my 450 and 350 Austrian bikes have 150+ hours. With no engine work done. Just oil, air filters and clutch dampers on the 450….
@@OtisFlintare you high? All my yz’s have never had a problem. My friend has 5 kids that have all Yamaha 250f’s all well over 100 hrs no problems. Several ppl I know have 200hrs.. would I let mine go that long without new piston rings? No but even all magazines have said time and time again Yamaha out of all their test bikes are the most reliable and less problematic bike!!!
@@jcbenson01😂
Would be great to see Yamaha make a 350. Why let KTM have all the money on that front.
Here is an interesting possibility, especially since it was Kailub Russell they hired: A YZ350FX (pure GNCC/MX race), a WR350F (somewhat corked for trail), and (down the line) a WR350R (really corked up as a dual sport replacing the WR250R) all sporting 6 speed gearboxes like the YZ250FX. No need for a YZ350F as the FX version could easily cover: 1) average Joe Open MX and ALL "average Joe" off-road applications. 2) Open Pro XC1 GNCC/Enduro, while the YZ450F would cover 450 Pro MX/SX with the FX version covering all the Pro WORCS/NGPC/Desert/etc. For manufacturing purposes, same engine platform (w/the WR350R version probably beefed up for reliability and service intervals). The 450 engine is already bulletproof, a 350 bulletproof engine for all the above applications would sell like hotcakes. Of course, a WR350F may not be necessary either (& can even drop the WR250/450Fs), as a WR350R done right could cover the trail. How about it Yamaha?
Please Yamaha make a 350, and put an electric start on your yz250x
I heard 2026 yz250x is all different we will see
I had the 2011 350. Bike was amazing. I haven't rode one since, and all the reviews say today's 350s are so much better than the original. I can't imagine how my old 350 could have been better
It’s time to go back to 2 strokes the R&D on snowmobiles right now is absolutely insane.
The r&d on steam engines is booming as well .
@@2smokejoke well done , what a load of word salad.
@@gertscheper9653 you have fun with your steam engine powered dirtbike
@@2smokejoke no, i wont.
I dont have one ( yet)
It's a easy thing for them to do. The math is easy. Reduce the 450 bore to 88mm from 97 mm and shorten the rod 3.3 mm from 60.8 o 57.5. Change the cdi to accommodate Run the 250 head blank move the mounting holes out and there is a 350 YZF.
I liked my Yamaha WR400 but loved my WR450 that much more but I’m a large person. I was able to get them tagged but our state made it a real pain in the arse to renew your tags which I dreaded ever other year. I flipped the coin between the KTM 350 and 500 EXC-F and chose the 350. I am amazed how that little motor can pull my butt up hills. I’d still be on Yamaha if they give us a street legal version 50 state legal but give or sell us an off-road kit to make it barely street legal. I’d love to give a WR350 a shot.
MAKE THIS HAPPEN. I've been emailing yamaha and honda for years about a 350! 😂😂😂
Yes, the 350 will take sales away from 450…it will out sell all bikes and manufactures in its first year, stamp it. I’ll park my husky for a yz, make the dam 350 already
Suzuki should have done this 10 years ago. Easy to gain market share just by dropping cc’s
Suzuki haven't even got a starter motor haha
I hope so. I currently race a 24 Yz450 and previous bike was a ktm SXF 350. Much prefer Yamaha suspension frame and power delivery
Yamaha needs to revive the YZ400f. I have one and it’s the best bike I’ve ever ridden
The 400 evolved to a 426 then to a 450. It was the predecessor that caused the death of the 2 stroke in AMA SX/MX thanks to Doug Henry.
@@jpesicka492 yes I know the history lol, I still think it’s the best bike Yamaha ever made. The 426 is virtually the same bike as the 400 but with a bigger top end and a different crank. The crank and top end of a 426 actually bolt onto the 400 directly. 450 is just sitting on that “too much” mark. I think the 400 is a good middle ground, the thing has more power than I’m ever going to need
Ive got a 23 ktm 350 xcf love it! Would have bought 350 yamaha if there was one! Been riding blue for 25+ years!
Honda CRF350r Works Edition 🇺🇸
I have a yz250f with the max rpm 300cc bore and stroke kit and a wr250 gearbox. That thing is the juice. If yamy made a 350fx i would sell all my bikes to get one..
I’m a Honda guy but Yamaha is my second favourite bike and if they make a 350 before Honda I’d have to get one. I’d still keep my Honda 250 and I’d have one of each. I tried out the Husky 250 compared to my Honda and I couldn’t get comfortable on the Husky. I loved the power of the Husky but I’ve been spoiled with the comfort, simple ness and turning of the Honda. I personally like the aluminum frame better except on a two stroke.
It still probably wouldn't release till the next update on the 450, and they are only 2 years in on the latest 450
I've been riding a 350 since 2015.... I would ride / but a YZF350 in a heartbeat...
Yamaha should develop a 300 2 stroke🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
They do one, just not available on the the US. It is branded Fantic and has Injection and electric start
The best selling units from the RED/ORANGE/WHITE group is their 350's. It is way past time for the AMA, FELD, MX SPORTS to tell the manufactures that 350 will be the thing in 2-4 years because the 450's are way to BIG/FAST for stadiums and for just about every normal person that doesn't weight 250++!!
a yz300f(x) would be an awesome bike. it dont neeeed to be a 350, although a 350 would be great. also, put e-start on the yz 2 strokes and ktm would be hurting
Honda all the way. A wing and a prayer
Great news, Give Crane one also 😎
A YZ350F will out sell every other model hands down.
If Yamaha is reading this chat, I’ll buy two yz350f. I love my ktm 350 but after 5 years of riding them I just miss that Yamaha feel and aluminum frame
Yamaha doesn’t need to develop a 350. Just drop a yz350 motor in a yz and boom, best mx machine on the market
I been waiting for the 350 for years and won't buy a KTM.
YZ350F???? TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY!
I saw a video for a Honda CRF 400RX. I hope it is real
They have it in Europe. It's been developed by Red Moto. They have a 350 and a 400. Fantic has developed a Yamaha engineed yz310 4-stroke for the Italian market. They're racing Enduro GP with it right now and it is fucking awesome
@@Dashriprock4Honda Red Moto has 300 kit for CRF250, my buddy has one. They have a 400 kit which is a detuned 450 also. I don't think they make the 350. Look into it .
300 kit was new cylinder & piston, and ECU was reprogrammed.
@@kruse1105 you're right. I had 350 on the brain but yes you're correct it's 300 and 400. My bad.
@@Dashriprock4 All good, wasn't trying to be a dick. My buddy's from Italy and is friends with the Red Moto guy, that's where he got the 300 kit. Took his stock 250f ECU to him, got it reprogrammed for 300. Bike rips,doesn't like to over Rev like the 250f though.
Yamaha is so incredibly far behind to power curve on a 350F. It's been the bestselling bike for KTM for years. The Japanese are so slow to implement changes in comparison to the Austrian manufacturers.
Hence why KTM is so far ahead on all fronts, aside from suspension. I'll take KYB over WP all day.
Slow to? The Yamaha durability is unmatched in the off road industry. Those bikes keep going and going...hands down best bikes on the market today!
@@ghav43 Slow to advance. Slow to change. Slow to adapt. Slow to come out with a 350. They are all around slow to make change. Durability is not unmatched at all LOL.
These guy's gotta get off that bottle before shows :D
Nah. It won’t be as funny then. And I’m the only one that was even drinking 😂
@@CampfireMotoStories Haha!
I’m calling bs. I want Yamaha to make a 350 just as much if not more than the next guy but I don’t think this dude knows as much as he thinks he does.
I’m talking about whoever it is that said Kaleb helped develop the ktm 350. Bro the 350 came out while Kaleb was still on a super mini. It had been out for a few years before he went pro and got on a 250f. It had been out for almost a decade by the time he made it to xc1.
Still hoping dude is right and Yamaha does a 350.
I don't think they will do.
Why should they? If they like to, they had 10 years....
Its a hoax. But everybodys dreaming from.
If they would, i would be at the dealer tomorrow.
Not even fantic will, and they have already the 310 yamaha engine.
I’d buy one right now and I don’t have money.
SIGN ME UP
Source - Trust me bro
@@JamesyMusial14 I mean… I was the 1st to drop he was going to Yamaha…….. sooooooooo yeah. 😂
Yamaha started this over 10 years ago I helped develop the crank ,stroke and rod length for the motor then the project got shelved for monetary reasons
I’d love to have you call in for a show and talk about that! Shoot me an email if you’d like to line that up.
Campfiremotostories@gmail.com
In my opinion yamaha will not make a 350. The newer 450s are very tunable. You can make a 450 feel like a 300 if you want to. I have done it. I just don't see them doing it money wise. I might be wrong though.
The engine weight makes the difference
If Yamaha makes a 350 ktm is over sextons definitely leaving they got no riders they went down hill bad again
I have been riding mostly KTMs for 15 years. I would by a Honda, Yamaha, or Kawasaki 350 the first week it hit the floor. I have hated every fork KTM ever made, including the new 6500 coil spring fork that is on my 2024 KTM 350 xcf. The 2024 KTM xc's are huge screw up by KTM. The coil spring fork is 10mm shorter making the chasis completely unbalanced, and this is made worse by the '23 & '24 frame that everyone has heard about, on top of all that the engine was rotated backward thus lowering the drive sproket relative to the swingarm pivot which causes the rear swingarm to bind unless you have about 4" of slack in the chain. This is mostly corrected for 2025 motocross models, but the 2025 XC models still have a fork 10mm shorter... DUH KTM. Ok, one more problem with KTM... Chinese parts. Yep, they layed off a bunch of their Austrian workers, and are having some parts made in China. THe radiators for example. I will not be buying another new KTM. THe 2019 to 2022 chassis is a dream compared to the 2023+ chassis. Only problem is that 2019 - 2022 bikes need a spring fork conversion. The air fork was, is, and always will be trash.
Ktm is stock value is plummeting, Yamaha needs to kick them down further
plot twist it's a 2 stroke.
That would be stupid
@@kurtheidelbach Not for woods. You see 5 2 strokes for every 4 stroke in the woods. 2 strokes are like 1911s...they compensate for mediocre skills.
@@OtisFlint well sure I have a 2 stone for off road but they surely wouldn’t be making at 360 2 stroke 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️. The market they are missing is the 350F. It has been the #1 selling bike for KTM for many years. Yamaha invests very little money in their 2T’s. They just continue to provide legacy products
@@OtisFlint2 strokes compensate for lack of skill? Said no one ever🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@kurtheidelbach 350 KTM is not their best selling bike and its acutally the least produced model. Facts! I own a KTM dealer!
😆 I call my Yamaha 450 my 350.. tuner app and take away power 😂
🦾🗣️
He definitely threw up and tried to put it all in a water bottle
Were you there near us? 😂
Yeah well you don't have a choice when it comes to 350..!
Yamajunk
No way, bs for sure
WARNING! This panel of professionals is slow. Use the control interface to increase playback speed.
..IF you want to hear about Yamaha's lack of 2-stroke development, or "they came out with the 4-stroke first. So I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with the 350 first."
Perhaps this is a leaked out take.
🤔😂🫡