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Douglas uses the term "Judeo-christian" as an excuse to be a bigot. Many of his criticism after that become social and not religious in nature, and appear to me to be more like dog whistles to bigots than any intellectual debate. It means he doesn't upset the Jews or Christians, can criticise Islam... but claim to be atheist. He is a used car salesman with a posh accent. Grifter.
So simple, creeds, scrolls, bible, Jesus, God. Not false stories, false notes, a false book, a false main character, and lastly a false creator. Is clearly an understanding of nothing. They Baffle with waffle. The truth will come clear if you keep things simple, not with pompous dialectical dialogue.
Why do people literally not look him in the eye and call him out for making NO sense at all. I have only ever seen a video of the abhorrent Milo Yiannopoulos call him out, again though this was not to his face.
Fire Bell rings * Fire Marshall strides in quickly. "Outside Folks, there is smoke. Douglas Ok Sam Ok Jordan The thing is, whats your conception of being Outside, do you mean the Macro, in that society is a tightly bound -system, whose governance depends to some degree on the values and competence of those within it............ ( Jordans trouser hem is sparking and smoke.... surround his Legs ) The idea that something exists is dependent on a few variables, Right, I mean , its complicated Man. And our perceptions are fallible that's why, you need something, that is, whats the best way to frame it ........
Waiting for Jordan Peterson to make a point is like flying economy class from New York to the middle of the Indian ocean. It's uncomfortable, takes forever to get there and when you arrive there's absolutely nothing solid to land on.
lol. Too funny and a bit sad. Paraphrasing Sadguru: As an exercise, count the words you speak and use half as many the next time while enhancing clarity. Jordan and I would benefit from this exercise.
Why are you dishing out shallow low blows targeting the quality ofa person's voice? Division and hatred have to go if we're to evolve as a people. There's something called virtue... and integrity... and honor.
The same Sam Harris said that Trump should be stopped by any means necessary, including hiding truth that would be inconvenient to his opponents. That's where you can see his high-flying principles in action: cast aside at the first opportunity. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do.
The obvious problem for Sam Harris though is that he is using that moment to pick and choice the correct words that his brain is sending up. He is taking a drink of water as a means of increasing his free will choice of words.
The same Sam Harris said that Trump should be stopped by any means necessary, including hiding truth that would be inconvenient to his opponents. That's where you can see his high-flying principles in action: cast aside at the first opportunity. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do.
First developed in the Greek city--state of Athens about 500BC. The word itself is derived from the greek dêmos '(common) people' and krátos 'force/might'. I guess JP would argue these were actually Christian Greeks? It is surprising that JP uses this argument when historically the Chruch has supported monarchies, and even within its own structure, favoured one man ruling over more democratic options.
@@AJPembertonit isn't surprising. It's a long standing attempt to try to claim all great accomplishments for Christianity. The reality is most often the reverse but Jordan doesn't live in reality.
@@Robert-oq8ye He is just straight up ignorant of history, and especially ancient history. He bases everything on the bible, that's how he scans anything
Here we go again-Peterson’s overcomplicating things. Instead of getting straight to the point, he dives into complex and abstract arguments that end up confusing the issue more than clarifying it. What could have been a straightforward discussion about the balance between rationality and tradition gets tangled in layers of philosophical nuance. It’s frustrating because this is such a familiar pattern with him-what should be a direct conversation often turns into an intellectual detour, pulling us away from the main point.
1:54 here is JP's biggest misrepresentation, if not a lie. Democracy and freedom of thought where already known to the Greeks. in fact to the Roman Republic was a democracy. This is well before the so-called Judeo-Christian thing. I cannot continue listening to this guy. Harris should have stopped him right there. But it seems that glorifying the tribe still in Harris' subconscious mind.
When Peterson said "Democracy emerged from the Judeo-Christian tradition" I had to replay that part to make sure I heard correctly. That was such a mind-bogglingly inaccurate thing to suggest that I was sure there was more context to it, but there doesn't appear to be. I wonder if Sam ignored it because he suspected some sort of attempt by Peterson to detail the conversation into his typical redefinitional pedantry.
You see things like equality before the law in Chinese philosophy 600 years before christ. And that's only what we can document! The values Peterson ascribed to Judaism and/or Christianity are very clearly things people cook up independently.
@@j8000 Not only that, but Christianity was based from the beginning on a Despotic structure (the Pope, anyone?) and most of the Old Testament is all about the Kings of Israel. Saying Democracy is Judeo-Christian is so ignorant it has to be a bald-faced lie.
Him continually saying art comes from judeo-Christian tradition when Christianity actively suppressed the arts is infuriating. Anybody who’s taken a theatre 101 class would know what he’s saying is BS.
Love when Peterson has to say, "and I've been thinking a lot about this," or "I really put a lot of thought into it." Kinda the bare minimum, isn't it? Anyone claiming to actually know something is expected to "think a lot about it." I'm sure Sam wishes he thought a lot about it too...
It did not. On the contrary, it has been used for millennia to justify autocracy. Heck, the entire religion of Christianity would seek to subjugate us to the ultimate dictator.
Only in the battle against religious tyranny, it started with the liberation of the mind in the protestant movement and evolved through the enlightenment. But at its core its always been a protection mechanism against religious tyranny.
It did not. On the contrary, it has been used for millennia to justify autocracy. The entire religion of Christianity would seek to subjugate us to the ultimate dictator.
JP’s sentence at 1:39 is one of a huge number which encapsulate his vast vocabulary and inability to communicate clearly concisely or coherently. It’s just semantic self aggrandisement.
Truth is clear and understandable. Nonsense is not. As Judge Judy says if something doesn’t make sense then it’s not true. Nothing JP says makes any sense
I feel bad for Harris. I can zone out during Peterson's verbal diarrhea and just have it summarized for me in 30 seconds when Harris responds. Harris _actually has to listen to all of it!_
Jordan is completely wrong about where democracy comes from! The ancient Greeks envision of a government that everyone could take part in came long before the the Jewish religion! It just shows us how poor Jordan's education is!
And in terms of the legal system it follows ancient, pagan Roman concepts. So basically our current democratic system and its institutions are the result of Greco/Roman paganism with a parasitic remnant of Judaism residing in it which we usually invoke when we want to go to war with someone.
Your new approach with these thumbnails, which make fun of the opponent, is really immature. They are even worse than Ken Ham’s ‘Atheists are afraid to hear this.’ Grow up.
Somebody tell JP that democracy pre-dates the JudeoChristian thing and is essentially pagan. In fact I would suggest that this tradition is not concerned with democracy and is theological. The issue then was not politics but with being right with God.
Peterson's only area of expertise is in treating alcoholics on the religious Alcoholics Anonymous program. In everything else he is, at best, well read. The problem for Peterson is that he presents himself as a board certified licenced psychologist, but the topic is often outside his specialty. His views on women's rights and gender identification are outside the best standards and practices of his professional college.
Setting aside the historical fact that democracy was conceptualized, organized, and practice in Ancient PAGAN Greece and not in either Bronze age Israel or post-Edict of Milan Roman Empire Europe, why did it take the better part of 1800 years for Judeo Christian tradition to make a dent in the political structures of Western Europe? That seems like a hell of long learning curve. And even if we were to properly steel-man Peterson's argument and locate superficial aspects of Judeo-Christian teaching that find parallels in our democratic institutions, then are we sure one could not also locate similarly shallow and potentially coincidental patterns of poli-social influence in, say, the Althing of Viking/Norse tradition, or the patterns of representative leadership among tribal councils among Native American tribes?
"Judeo-christian" is a modern term. For most of history placing these together would have been deeply problematic. Then WW2 happened and the marketing changed. It is a massive fallacy.
I think Jesus was a Jew initially but then he got "Jesus syndrome " and started his own thing and was persecuted for it and the rest is judeo-christian history
Arguing with Jordan Peterson is like trying to nail jello to the wall. He always presents his opinions as actually being someone else's, so he can back away from them when trapped without losing anything. This is like "re-tweeting" something someone else has posted. You're always able to say, "well, I didn't say that, so-and-so did..." Frankly I'm not sure why anyone would waste their breath debating with Peterson, but I suppose there's money in it.
Is it possible to have a CliffsNotes version when Peterson talks, we don't have to listen to 20 minutes of ramble to get 10 seconds of what might be a point to consider?
Are these always just clips from years old same debate????? Would be helpful to have a date listed so we know none of these clips are even a bit recent.
Peterson had Harris on this podcast 8 months ago. Their conversation is ongoing and these clips are good. The thumbnails a silly and I don’t like they way this is presented.
Professors are convinced that the New Testament is more or less a Platonic text, Saint Augustine had no idea about this. If Peterson wants to go to the roots, he goes back to two very different worlds, the world of Greek philosophy and the world of Jewish faith, then he can perhaps go on to the Greek Mysteries, or even to the Indian Vedas.
Depends on the time and age. Currently we prefer short, concise statements that are to the point without additional flourish. If you go through "Das Kapital", "The Origins of Species" or "An Inquiry Into the Nature And Cause of The Wealth of Nations", however ... tough reading ... I would not call any of the aforementioned authors "low intellect", though.
Jordan believes that democracy grew out of the Judea-Christian “substrate”. There is nothing democratic about the Judea-Christian substrate. God commands us to be obedient to him and worship him and never question him on threat of eternal torture. Nothing democratic about that. There is nothing in the bible at all about the electorate or choosing leaders by popular vote or making any law except god’s law.
I've said for many years that the Abrahamic religions provide a paradigm of all reality as a hierarchical system. The classic Augustinian "great chain of being" is a way of ranking all beings in an order from the least to the greatest, with God obviously being on top. Not only that, but it describes the relations of all these beings as a system in which each level of the chain must take orders from above and has the right to dictatorially rule all those below. Ownership and slavery is integral to this system. God is above and more worthy than men, who are above other classes of men, who are above women, who are above children, who are above animals, etc. There's nothing suggesting democracy in it. It's the diametric opposite of that. It stands in stark contrast to many indigenous world-views in which all types of beings are brothers and sisters and understood to be equally conscious and worthy. Authoritarian governments and monarchies love Christianity and Islam. They provide the model and rationale for domination, rule, and exploitation. Anyone with half a brain can see that, and that the Abrahamic religions are, in fact, the creation of such systems of domination.
Maybe you think this because you know a lot about religion? Peterson seems pretty consistent here - he tries to convolute what he’s talking about to the point of losing his audience and then hoping they assume they couldn’t keep up because he was so much more knowledgeable than they were.
1:50 didn't the romans have a senate? Didn't the greeks also have democratic structures before that? Democritus : all matter is made of the smallest indivisible unit (atom) and all atoms are identical.
But what about the metaphysical substrate which contains the poetic elements of counter intuitive logic that underlies the prevailing reasoning behind pedantic yet philosophical necessities which need provide a landscape for moral justification for the Bible? 🤣
Considering the amount of hair these three have - they seem to be leading a rather chill life. It’s the people who watch them who will get white hair faster, grow bald, and wrinkly 🫠
As far as Peterson describes the process by which “something emerged,” that is, the historical interaction between the “poetic” and the “rational,” he is not committing any genetic fallacy. Neither is infusing the “poetic” with Judeo-Christian content a problem as long as you can discriminate its effects from those of other types of poetic content. You can do that in all sorts of ways, most obviously through comparative analysis.
The obvious way to defeat Peterson in a debate is to announce as the debate starts that every time he interrupts, you'll sound an airhorn until he shuts up.
Mr. Sam Harris presents his comments as a suggestion. Mr. Jordan Petersson talks many words in an attempt to make others feel like they are stupid. Seriously, who says "relative import across two domains?" I understand Mr. Peterson's point but why did he make his message esoteric?
There is hardly any truth in Christianity except for a few verses. It's mythical, fictional, and fantasy. Being a traditional Christian can lead to personal suffering, and imposing Christianity on humanity leads to suffering for humanity. The God of Christianity is just three Jewish men claiming divinity, which is not a true concept of God. The concepts of hell, heaven, the last days, judgment, resurrection, and salvation, as described in the Bible or Quran, do not exist in reality.
Agreed, except for the 3 Jewish men being the Christian God. Yahweh has roots in older pre-Israelite gods that have gradually merged. Jesus is never quoted as saying he is a god, only the son of one... though nothing of what Jesus is supposed to have said or done can be verified. He too may be a merging of several messianic preachers of the time.
@@AJPembertonJesus doesn't necessarily have to say explicitly that He's God. It is already beyond enough for Jesus to equal Himself with His Father which is exactly what also proves His Divinity. But since you're below the age of 10 and it's to hard for you to understand that, It's ok Child.🤡
when are we going to see a new debate between Sam and Jordan or Alex O`connor and Jordan? We dont want to see the same old clips from 2018, let us see some new debates here in september or october 2024.
Thanks for honoring freedom of speech. Even had Jesus existed ... as a Jewish Rabbi ... he would not have preached any version of Christian doctrine ... so why does Jordan bother droning on and on and on about the Jesus' myth? The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most recent savior-myth story. Example as follows, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna." From the book … The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875. and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven. 1. Chrishna of Hindostan. 2. Budha Sakia of India. 3. Salivahana of Bermuda 4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt. 5. Odin of the Scandinavians. 6. Crite of Chaldea. 7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia. 8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia. 9. Indra of Thibet. 10. Bali of Afghanistan. 11. Jao of Nepaul. 12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese. 13. Thammuz of Syria. 14. Atys of Phrygia. 15. Xamolxis of Thrace. 16. Zoar of the Bonzes. 17. Adad of Assyria. 18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam. 19. Alcides of Thebes. 20. Mikado of the Sintoos. 21. Beddru of Japan. 22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids. 23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls. 24. Cadmus of Greece. 25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites. 26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico. 27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls. 28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa. 29. Divine teacher of Plato. 30. Holy One of xaca. 31. Fohi and Tien of China. 32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece. 33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome. 34. Prometheus of Caucasus. 35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia. These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
I'm thinking that this straight forward truth and logic falls on deaf ears. Is it an addiction like gambling or drugs? Some people have the weakness and some don't.
@@shaneyule3484 I believe you are correct when you suggest that religion is an addiction. But it's not an addiction that a child started ... because the child is an unfortunate victim of the child's parent's religious addiction ... and the parents were the victims of their parent's addiction ... and on and on back in ancient history. Children are born without any systems of belief, and then are programmed to the most outlandish conflicting ways of believing. You might find of interest the following points of view from the book ... The Atheist Muslim ... author ... Ali A. Rizvi ... "To me, this correlation was fast becoming obvious. If you were handed a book at birth with all the answers to everything, what incentive would you have to ask questions, especially if asking questions could land you in jail or get you killed for blasphemy? The conventional wisdom was that Islam is a religion of peace, and it's the people distorting it that are the problem. However, to the "new atheists"--as they came to be known--it was the other way around. Islam itself was a problem; most Muslims around the world are moderate, but the author of the Quran clearly wasn't."
@@shaneyule3484 As were other groups of religionists ... Jews (Hebrews) were at one time all polytheists, with belief in many gods. So there wasn't any reason to fight over being favorites of the gods, as the story-tellers in all religious groups could fire and create new gods. It was when one group of Jews decided that if they created the one-god-doctrine ... that all people on earth would have to join their religion ... if the devotees expected to have a bliss-filled afterlife. That plan was doomed to backfire ... when the first Christians branched off Judaism to (hint) that Jesus had betrayed his own Jewish people by leaving Judaism behind as being filled with lies ... to in turn favor only Christian doctrine. In the 4th century ... Catholics (with the military support of the Roman Emperor Constantine) became the predominant group of Christians and published their bible as being the one God's one and only truth. In the 7th century AD ... the religion of Islam became the offshoot of Judaism and Christianity ... claiming that THEY were the chosen few of the one god. Had the Jews (Hebrews) way back in history kept believing in many gods ... the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam would not exist ... and the wars between Jews, Christians and Muslims could never have occurred ... to continue on to this very day. What a shame that those first Jews (Hebrews) thought they could get away with creating the story that only one god existed ... and that THEY were his CHOSEN FEW. We will probably never know when the myths of religions started ... but we should know *in this era ... that if humans were to go extinct ... religion itself would instantly be extinct ... as there wouldn't be any humans left on earth ... to keep on spreading the mental imaginary dis-ease.
So we have democracies in ''the west'' now and previously we had christian authoritarianism so therefore christianity leads to democracies ? JP is a simpleton .
If someone doesn't value free will, what volitional chosen argument could you provide to show the importance of free will." -Paraphrasing Sam to let him debunk himself
@@ExistenceUniversityif god gave you free will then you don’t have free will you have been programmed with just will which would be the opposite of free will. This would be the logical argument against free will. Logic doesn’t require you to place value in it for it to exist. Logic exists independent of value. Only irrational people would argue the lack of value in logic. If you don’t value logic you are lost. If you didn’t believe in free will your life hasn’t changed.
When Peterson rambles it reminds me of the scene from Billy Madison. We are all dumber for listening to Peterson, while he thinks he's the smartest person alive.
Peterson’s point is just a complete non-starter. If “Christianity needs to keep existing even though it isn’t true because we wouldn’t have democracy without it” is sort of the last gasp of actually critically thinking Christians then you’re pretty fucked when you find out that the ancient Greeks had already established a democracy before Jesus purportedly existed
I wish mr peterson could be more concise. His sentences take some unpacking. He has become perhaps the most recognised public intellectual in America & I think he will vacillate in order to retain that position
@@opensocietyenjoyer well, a chair is anything that has the properties of a chair. That's how you get stuck in the social construct part and don't relate it to any fact.
is this satire? do you mind explaining your statement in detail ? cause william lane craig is literally the most delusional person on planet, maybe second to dinesh d'souza.
@@gskessingerable what fallacy? you have to explain or are you just making stuff up like your fellow religious tards🤣surely , you can link the video, but i dont think youre going to do that. are you?
f(^ー^; We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
(^-^; This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
How does light being absorbed and reflected by objects prove a created universe? Why pick that particular property of the universe over any other? What creation myth does it support?
@AJPemberton if anything in the environment is intelligent that proves that the universe was created. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. That is extremely suspicious .I find it impossible to believe a natural environment could do that.
@@robertmcclintock8701 How does something in the universe being intelligent prove the universe was created? Created by what? Why pick intelligence? Why not say plants growing towards the light is proof? Why is white having baby blue and pink as an opposite suspicious? Assuming you are correct on this aspect... I always thought black was white's opposite. Have you ever heard of the 'argument from incredulity' fallacy? Seems like you are deep in one right now.
Democratic institutions did not grow out of the Jude’s Christian substrate they evolved from the Ancient Greek traditions in spite of Jude’s Christian faith!
Probably true. But also: The same Sam Harris said that Trump should be stopped by any means necessary, including hiding truth that would be inconvenient to his opponents. That's where you can see his high-flying principles in action: cast aside at the first opportunity. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do.
JP talking is like respectfully requesting an artificial intelligence large language model to say a large collection of advanced words without expressing a singular point.
Had GPT perform that exact prompt: “The juxtaposition of ostensibly incongruent paradigms within the overarching framework of existential discourse culminates in a nebulous amalgamation of abstract notions, rendering any definitive conclusion inherently elusive.” Sounds pretty spot on.
Whoever runs this page REALLY hates JP. Every video title is jp hate click bait. Kinda sad given that the whole point of these debates was talking across different viewpoints, and that they respect each other.
2:16 Sam Harris's face "get to point dude, ffs" :) How debate like Jordan Peterson 1) Verbal diarrhea, the more words the better. 2) Use a nervous scratchy voice to annoy your oponent. 3) Dont get to the point, try to confuse your oponent 4) When your oponent starts dismanteling your BS, interrupt him and create even more BS.
1:45 democracy? The Greek word for the rule by the people, first established in Athens 500 BCE grew from judeo-christian soil? This man has a college degree?
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Douglas uses the term "Judeo-christian" as an excuse to be a bigot.
Many of his criticism after that become social and not religious in nature, and appear to me to be more like dog whistles to bigots than any intellectual debate.
It means he doesn't upset the Jews or Christians, can criticise Islam... but claim to be atheist.
He is a used car salesman with a posh accent. Grifter.
So simple, creeds, scrolls, bible, Jesus, God. Not false stories, false notes, a false book, a false main character, and lastly a false creator. Is clearly an understanding of nothing. They Baffle with waffle. The truth will come clear if you keep things simple, not with pompous dialectical dialogue.
Petersen's verbal diarrhea is a tiresome burden on ears.
What makes it even WORSE is his ANNOYING VOICE. He talks through his nose, and high pitched.
Why do people literally not look him in the eye and call him out for making NO sense at all. I have only ever seen a video of the abhorrent Milo Yiannopoulos call him out, again though this was not to his face.
Sure it is to people like yourself with a 70 point IQ
Chopra and D'Souza do the same
Fire Bell rings *
Fire Marshall strides in quickly.
"Outside Folks, there is smoke.
Douglas Ok
Sam Ok
Jordan The thing is, whats your conception of being Outside, do you mean the Macro, in that society is a tightly bound -system, whose governance depends to some degree on the values and competence of those within it............ ( Jordans trouser hem is sparking and smoke.... surround his Legs )
The idea that something exists is dependent on a few variables, Right, I mean , its complicated Man.
And our perceptions are fallible that's why, you need something, that is, whats the best way to frame it ........
Waiting for Jordan Peterson to make a point is like flying economy class from New York to the middle of the Indian ocean. It's uncomfortable, takes forever to get there and when you arrive there's absolutely nothing solid to land on.
Love your metaphor!!! Spot on!
lol. Too funny and a bit sad. Paraphrasing Sadguru: As an exercise, count the words you speak and use half as many the next time while enhancing clarity. Jordan and I would benefit from this exercise.
Sam's analogies and economy of words is such a delight and polar opposite to Kermit.
“Kermit”! 😂
@@maxcaldwell2680 " Kermit the Fraud " : His nickname at the University of Toronto.
Such a delight? Calm down.
Why are you dishing out shallow low blows targeting the quality ofa person's voice? Division and hatred have to go if we're to evolve as a people. There's something called virtue... and integrity... and honor.
The same Sam Harris said that Trump should be stopped by any means necessary, including hiding truth that would be inconvenient to his opponents.
That's where you can see his high-flying principles in action: cast aside at the first opportunity.
Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do.
The patience of Harris amazes me
I think its the opposite but i guess each youtube has it own (basic mind fan base)
"each youtube"?
@@ssabykoopsyeah say what?!?
He’s extremely patient, for sure. I “blame” his meditational efforts! 😂
Jordan’s word salad is completely inedible.
And far less nutritious than a water salad with extra water.
I love how Sam Harris just sits there with a look on his face like he's thinking "I'm going to need a bigger shovel to clean up this pile of $hit."
That's poetically put.. pun intended
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That's a hashtag!?! 😂😂
beautiful comment
sam harris always takes a sip of water before destroying someone. i love it
Gotta love the Dwayne Johnson eyebrow while Jordan prattles on too
It's the debater's way of "Holstering their gun"
The obvious problem for Sam Harris though is that he is using that moment to pick and choice the correct words that his brain is sending up. He is taking a drink of water as a means of increasing his free will choice of words.
People as smart as Sam are the reason I believe in our future even in the face of a global wave of regressionism.
The same Sam Harris said that Trump should be stopped by any means necessary, including hiding truth that would be inconvenient to his opponents.
That's where you can see his high-flying principles in action: cast aside at the first opportunity.
Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do.
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Sounds like you've got a hard one for the Orange Mussolini.
@@FoursWithin Sounds like you've got a hard one for the hyprocritical pseudo-monk.
@@spambot_gpt7i dont think he said that did he? Didnt he say that the crimes of bidens family members were basically irrelevant.
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Why is it no surprise that your reaction lacks any thought.
Wasn’t the first democracy actually established by the Greeks?
Yes, centuries before christ
First developed in the Greek city--state of Athens about 500BC. The word itself is derived from the greek dêmos '(common) people' and krátos 'force/might'. I guess JP would argue these were actually Christian Greeks?
It is surprising that JP uses this argument when historically the Chruch has supported monarchies, and even within its own structure, favoured one man ruling over more democratic options.
no.
@@AJPembertonit isn't surprising. It's a long standing attempt to try to claim all great accomplishments for Christianity.
The reality is most often the reverse but Jordan doesn't live in reality.
@@Robert-oq8ye He is just straight up ignorant of history, and especially ancient history. He bases everything on the bible, that's how he scans anything
Here we go again-Peterson’s overcomplicating things. Instead of getting straight to the point, he dives into complex and abstract arguments that end up confusing the issue more than clarifying it. What could have been a straightforward discussion about the balance between rationality and tradition gets tangled in layers of philosophical nuance. It’s frustrating because this is such a familiar pattern with him-what should be a direct conversation often turns into an intellectual detour, pulling us away from the main point.
1:54 here is JP's biggest misrepresentation, if not a lie. Democracy and freedom of thought where already known to the Greeks. in fact to the Roman Republic was a democracy. This is well before the so-called Judeo-Christian thing. I cannot continue listening to this guy. Harris should have stopped him right there. But it seems that glorifying the tribe still in Harris' subconscious mind.
And in every democratic country the churches were among the most fiercest opponents to it.
When Peterson said "Democracy emerged from the Judeo-Christian tradition" I had to replay that part to make sure I heard correctly. That was such a mind-bogglingly inaccurate thing to suggest that I was sure there was more context to it, but there doesn't appear to be. I wonder if Sam ignored it because he suspected some sort of attempt by Peterson to detail the conversation into his typical redefinitional pedantry.
You see things like equality before the law in Chinese philosophy 600 years before christ. And that's only what we can document!
The values Peterson ascribed to Judaism and/or Christianity are very clearly things people cook up independently.
@@j8000 Not only that, but Christianity was based from the beginning on a Despotic structure (the Pope, anyone?) and most of the Old Testament is all about the Kings of Israel. Saying Democracy is Judeo-Christian is so ignorant it has to be a bald-faced lie.
Him continually saying art comes from judeo-Christian tradition when Christianity actively suppressed the arts is infuriating. Anybody who’s taken a theatre 101 class would know what he’s saying is BS.
Oh, shit. He said ‘substrate.’ Now I have to take another shot of tequila.
THAT was funny. Thank you.
I need a liver transplant from his over usage of post modern Marxism.
thank god you didn't use woke or moralist as the word, you'd be dead on the floor in an hour
Love when Peterson has to say, "and I've been thinking a lot about this," or "I really put a lot of thought into it." Kinda the bare minimum, isn't it? Anyone claiming to actually know something is expected to "think a lot about it." I'm sure Sam wishes he thought a lot about it too...
Petercon jesus smuggles every chance he can get. he's a con
How did democracy come out of Christianity?
It did not. On the contrary, it has been used for millennia to justify autocracy. Heck, the entire religion of Christianity would seek to subjugate us to the ultimate dictator.
Only in the battle against religious tyranny, it started with the liberation of the mind in the protestant movement and evolved through the enlightenment. But at its core its always been a protection mechanism against religious tyranny.
It didnt. Greeks and romans wrote about functioning democratic civil governments before jesus shat his little diaper.
Despite it.
It did not. On the contrary, it has been used for millennia to justify autocracy. The entire religion of Christianity would seek to subjugate us to the ultimate dictator.
Ah yes, democracy born in ancient Greece, famously a Judeo-Christian substrate... Nice one JP
And our legal system that is rooted in ancient Roman traditions, definitely not Judaic.
word spaghetti
Peterson has always been this
Jordan says democracy comes from Judeo-christian religious beliefs.
Can someone tell that to the ancient Greek?
JP’s sentence at 1:39 is one of a huge number which encapsulate his vast vocabulary and inability to communicate clearly concisely or coherently. It’s just semantic self aggrandisement.
Truth is clear and understandable. Nonsense is not. As Judge Judy says if something doesn’t make sense then it’s not true. Nothing JP says makes any sense
Sam Harris rarely disappoints, and is on good form here.
I feel bad for Harris.
I can zone out during Peterson's verbal diarrhea and just have it summarized for me in 30 seconds when Harris responds. Harris _actually has to listen to all of it!_
Jordan is completely wrong about where democracy comes from! The ancient Greeks envision of a government that everyone could take part in came long before the the Jewish religion! It just shows us how poor Jordan's education is!
But he uses long words 😂😂😂
India had democratic republics (mahajanapadas] 5 centuries before birth of christ
And in terms of the legal system it follows ancient, pagan Roman concepts. So basically our current democratic system and its institutions are the result of Greco/Roman paganism with a parasitic remnant of Judaism residing in it which we usually invoke when we want to go to war with someone.
When I listen to these prominent atheists when they debate, I feel like my intelligence is raised and my vocabulary improves.
It's a breath of fresh air to hear words and meaning align instead of twisted for Jesus's sake!
It's nice to see a positive comment on here.
Harris should pick someone out the audience around 3:00 and ask them what the hell Peterson said. 😂
That would be a slaughte3 hehe
Your new approach with these thumbnails, which make fun of the opponent, is really immature. They are even worse than Ken Ham’s ‘Atheists are afraid to hear this.’ Grow up.
Somebody tell JP that democracy pre-dates the JudeoChristian thing and is essentially pagan. In fact I would suggest that this tradition is not concerned with democracy and is theological. The issue then was not politics but with being right with God.
I think old JP needs to stop thinking and writing and take a canoe trip up a long river. it would do him a lot of good.
cage bird peterson, caught again
Peterson's only area of expertise is in treating alcoholics on the religious Alcoholics Anonymous program. In everything else he is, at best, well read.
The problem for Peterson is that he presents himself as a board certified licenced psychologist, but the topic is often outside his specialty. His views on women's rights and gender identification are outside the best standards and practices of his professional college.
Setting aside the historical fact that democracy was conceptualized, organized, and practice in Ancient PAGAN Greece and not in either Bronze age Israel or post-Edict of Milan Roman Empire Europe, why did it take the better part of 1800 years for Judeo Christian tradition to make a dent in the political structures of Western Europe? That seems like a hell of long learning curve.
And even if we were to properly steel-man Peterson's argument and locate superficial aspects of Judeo-Christian teaching that find parallels in our democratic institutions, then are we sure one could not also locate similarly shallow and potentially coincidental patterns of poli-social influence in, say, the Althing of Viking/Norse tradition, or the patterns of representative leadership among tribal councils among Native American tribes?
"Judeo-christian" is a modern term.
For most of history placing these together would have been deeply problematic.
Then WW2 happened and the marketing changed.
It is a massive fallacy.
I think Jesus was a Jew initially but then he got "Jesus syndrome " and started his own thing and was persecuted for it and the rest is judeo-christian history
Word lasagna bolognese
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Sam is so refreshing while Jordan speaks Word salad quite often
Arguing with Jordan Peterson is like trying to nail jello to the wall. He always presents his opinions as actually being someone else's, so he can back away from them when trapped without losing anything. This is like "re-tweeting" something someone else has posted. You're always able to say, "well, I didn't say that, so-and-so did..." Frankly I'm not sure why anyone would waste their breath debating with Peterson, but I suppose there's money in it.
Is it possible to have a CliffsNotes version when Peterson talks, we don't have to listen to 20 minutes of ramble to get 10 seconds of what might be a point to consider?
Jordan Peterson goes on and on and on, by the time he finishes he's light-years away from where he started 😂
There exists art from 25 to 40K plus years ago before there was any such thing a Judea or christian religions - so there is that right?
Are these always just clips from years old same debate????? Would be helpful to have a date listed so we know none of these clips are even a bit recent.
Peterson had Harris on this podcast 8 months ago. Their conversation is ongoing and these clips are good. The thumbnails a silly and I don’t like they way this is presented.
sit on the riverbank with a shard of the cross is such a metaphor
How on earth did JP get democracy from Christian thinking?
He doesn't understand either.
Professors are convinced that the New Testament is more or less a Platonic text, Saint Augustine had no idea about this. If Peterson wants to go to the roots, he goes back to two very different worlds, the world of Greek philosophy and the world of Jewish faith, then he can perhaps go on to the Greek Mysteries, or even to the Indian Vedas.
Pagan greeks gave us democracy
And pagan Romans the base for our legal system.
Verbosity is a sign of low intellect imo.
Depends on the time and age. Currently we prefer short, concise statements that are to the point without additional flourish. If you go through "Das Kapital", "The Origins of Species" or "An Inquiry Into the Nature And Cause of The Wealth of Nations", however ... tough reading ... I would not call any of the aforementioned authors "low intellect", though.
Jordan believes that democracy grew out of the Judea-Christian “substrate”. There is nothing democratic about the Judea-Christian substrate. God commands us to be obedient to him and worship him and never question him on threat of eternal torture. Nothing democratic about that. There is nothing in the bible at all about the electorate or choosing leaders by popular vote or making any law except god’s law.
I've said for many years that the Abrahamic religions provide a paradigm of all reality as a hierarchical system. The classic Augustinian "great chain of being" is a way of ranking all beings in an order from the least to the greatest, with God obviously being on top. Not only that, but it describes the relations of all these beings as a system in which each level of the chain must take orders from above and has the right to dictatorially rule all those below. Ownership and slavery is integral to this system. God is above and more worthy than men, who are above other classes of men, who are above women, who are above children, who are above animals, etc. There's nothing suggesting democracy in it. It's the diametric opposite of that. It stands in stark contrast to many indigenous world-views in which all types of beings are brothers and sisters and understood to be equally conscious and worthy. Authoritarian governments and monarchies love Christianity and Islam. They provide the model and rationale for domination, rule, and exploitation. Anyone with half a brain can see that, and that the Abrahamic religions are, in fact, the creation of such systems of domination.
Jordan is Good until it comes to religion. Sam picks him apart…..
Maybe you think this because you know a lot about religion? Peterson seems pretty consistent here - he tries to convolute what he’s talking about to the point of losing his audience and then hoping they assume they couldn’t keep up because he was so much more knowledgeable than they were.
1:50 didn't the romans have a senate? Didn't the greeks also have democratic structures before that?
Democritus : all matter is made of the smallest indivisible unit (atom) and all atoms are identical.
Brown shoes with that suit? Lost immediately.
"When the human mind gets out of its depths it drowns, and vomits up a lot of dead ideas" - Alan Watts
How did Kermit manage to convice so many people that he has anything of value to say?
But what about the metaphysical substrate which contains the poetic elements of counter intuitive logic that underlies the prevailing reasoning behind pedantic yet philosophical necessities which need provide a landscape for moral justification for the Bible? 🤣
The bible never mentions democracy. It’s all about god picking a ruler.
Gods ruler is only 3 inches. He has a small dink!
The Bible fully pushes an authoritarian ideology.
The bible is the perfect handbook for a totalitarian tyrant. And the church has behaved as such until the Enlightenment came along.
Considering the amount of hair these three have - they seem to be leading a rather chill life. It’s the people who watch them who will get white hair faster, grow bald, and wrinkly 🫠
As far as Peterson describes the process by which “something emerged,” that is, the historical interaction between the “poetic” and the “rational,” he is not committing any genetic fallacy. Neither is infusing the “poetic” with Judeo-Christian content a problem as long as you can discriminate its effects from those of other types of poetic content. You can do that in all sorts of ways, most obviously through comparative analysis.
The obvious way to defeat Peterson in a debate is to announce as the debate starts that every time he interrupts, you'll sound an airhorn until he shuts up.
Mr. Sam Harris presents his comments as a suggestion. Mr. Jordan Petersson talks many words in an attempt to make others feel like they are stupid. Seriously, who says "relative import across two domains?" I understand Mr. Peterson's point but why did he make his message esoteric?
JP and his damn hand movements.. 🤌
There is hardly any truth in Christianity except for a few verses. It's mythical, fictional, and fantasy. Being a traditional Christian can lead to personal suffering, and imposing Christianity on humanity leads to suffering for humanity. The God of Christianity is just three Jewish men claiming divinity, which is not a true concept of God. The concepts of hell, heaven, the last days, judgment, resurrection, and salvation, as described in the Bible or Quran, do not exist in reality.
Agreed, except for the 3 Jewish men being the Christian God. Yahweh has roots in older pre-Israelite gods that have gradually merged. Jesus is never quoted as saying he is a god, only the son of one... though nothing of what Jesus is supposed to have said or done can be verified. He too may be a merging of several messianic preachers of the time.
I'm a proud atheist. That is all I have at present, (no sarc) 😂👍
@@AJPembertonWhere tf is the evidence that God The Father and God The Holy Spirit are Jews????????????🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
"Three Jewish Gay Pansexuals claiming Divinity can't be a true concept of God, but my Concept of Gaytheism can indeed be because I say so"☝🏽🤓🤡🏳️🌈
@@AJPembertonJesus doesn't necessarily have to say explicitly that He's God. It is already beyond enough for Jesus to equal Himself with His Father which is exactly what also proves His Divinity. But since you're below the age of 10 and it's to hard for you to understand that, It's ok Child.🤡
when are we going to see a new debate between Sam and Jordan or Alex O`connor and Jordan? We dont want to see the same old clips from 2018, let us see some new debates here in september or october 2024.
"So, what you're saying in PLAIN English IS ?????"
Our constitutional democracy came from
The enlightenmemt
And.nothing else
Jordan Peterson becomes Kathy Newman one second in on this clip
Thanks for honoring freedom of speech.
Even had Jesus existed ... as a Jewish Rabbi ... he would not have preached any version of Christian doctrine ... so why does Jordan bother droning on and on and on about the Jesus' myth?
The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most recent savior-myth story. Example as follows, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna."
From the book … The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
I'm thinking that this straight forward truth and logic falls on deaf ears. Is it an addiction like gambling or drugs? Some people have the weakness and some don't.
@@shaneyule3484 I believe you are correct when you suggest that religion is an addiction. But it's not an addiction that a child started ... because the child is an unfortunate victim of the child's parent's religious addiction ... and the parents were the victims of their parent's addiction ... and on and on back in ancient history.
Children are born without any systems of belief, and then are programmed to the most outlandish conflicting ways of believing.
You might find of interest the following points of view from the book ... The Atheist Muslim ... author ... Ali A. Rizvi ... "To me, this correlation was fast becoming obvious. If you were handed a book at birth with all the answers to everything, what incentive would you have to ask questions, especially if asking questions could land you in jail or get you killed for blasphemy?
The conventional wisdom was that Islam is a religion of peace, and it's the people distorting it that are the problem. However, to the "new atheists"--as they came to be known--it was the other way around. Islam itself was a problem; most Muslims around the world are moderate, but the author of the Quran clearly wasn't."
@@shaneyule3484 As were other groups of religionists ... Jews (Hebrews) were at one time all polytheists, with belief in many gods. So there wasn't any reason to fight over being favorites of the gods, as the story-tellers in all religious groups could fire and create new gods.
It was when one group of Jews decided that if they created the one-god-doctrine ... that all people on earth would have to join their religion ... if the devotees expected to have a bliss-filled afterlife.
That plan was doomed to backfire ... when the first Christians branched off Judaism to (hint) that Jesus had betrayed his own Jewish people by leaving Judaism behind as being filled with lies ... to in turn favor only Christian doctrine. In the 4th century ... Catholics (with the military support of the Roman Emperor Constantine) became the predominant group of Christians and published their bible as being the one God's one and only truth.
In the 7th century AD ... the religion of Islam became the offshoot of Judaism and Christianity ... claiming that THEY were the chosen few of the one god.
Had the Jews (Hebrews) way back in history kept believing in many gods ... the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam would not exist ... and the wars between Jews, Christians and Muslims could never have occurred ... to continue on to this very day.
What a shame that those first Jews (Hebrews) thought they could get away with creating the story that only one god existed ... and that THEY were his CHOSEN FEW.
We will probably never know when the myths of religions started ... but we should know *in this era ... that if humans were to go extinct ... religion itself would instantly be extinct ... as there wouldn't be any humans left on earth ... to keep on spreading the mental imaginary dis-ease.
Apparently the universe consists of 2 things: substrates and hierarchies
4:19 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 great point👌🏻
So we have democracies in ''the west'' now and previously we had christian authoritarianism so therefore christianity leads to democracies ? JP is a simpleton .
"If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" - Sam Harris
If someone doesn't value free will, what volitional chosen argument could you provide to show the importance of free will." -Paraphrasing Sam to let him debunk himself
@@ExistenceUniversityif god gave you free will then you don’t have free will you have been programmed with just will which would be the opposite of free will. This would be the logical argument against free will. Logic doesn’t require you to place value in it for it to exist. Logic exists independent of value. Only irrational people would argue the lack of value in logic. If you don’t value logic you are lost. If you didn’t believe in free will your life hasn’t changed.
@@jeffreyhall76 Why would you involve God? God is not real
@@ExistenceUniversity I don’t believe in god or free will I just assume the people who argue one argue the other. Am I right?
@jeffreyhall76 No as I am an atheist that knows free will exists. Determinism is religious
When Peterson rambles it reminds me of the scene from Billy Madison. We are all dumber for listening to Peterson, while he thinks he's the smartest person alive.
Harris looked like a dissappointed dad whenever Peterson went on a tear.
I never understand what this Jordan Peterson is talking about but it's sounds very clever 😂😂😂
Whatever happened to The Three Philosophies?
Peterson’s point is just a complete non-starter. If “Christianity needs to keep existing even though it isn’t true because we wouldn’t have democracy without it” is sort of the last gasp of actually critically thinking Christians then you’re pretty fucked when you find out that the ancient Greeks had already established a democracy before Jesus purportedly existed
Why does Peterson always say that he's being thinking a lot about things?
I wish mr peterson could be more concise. His sentences take some unpacking.
He has become perhaps the most recognised public intellectual in America & I think he will vacillate in order to retain that position
We also need to distinguish fact from "social construct"😂😂
the concept of a "chair" is q social construct. however, chairs existing is a fact. there need not be any distinction
@@opensocietyenjoyer well, a chair is anything that has the properties of a chair. That's how you get stuck in the social construct part and don't relate it to any fact.
@@Renato404 do chairs exist? yes or no
@@opensocietyenjoyer you're the one who's stuck, not me.
@@Renato404 answer my question
Why does Jordan engage these people, because his response to their statements is always word salad. He should appear in solo events only
Sam wasn't even aware of the genetic fallacy until he was schooled on it by Dr. William Lane Craig.
is this satire? do you mind explaining your statement in detail ? cause william lane craig is literally the most delusional person on planet, maybe second to dinesh d'souza.
What did Craig do? Explain a fallacy he commits endlessly on a daily basis? 😂
@@Clogmonger He educated Sam on the fallacy who was completely clueless about it.
@@gskessingerable what fallacy? you have to explain or are you just making stuff up like your fellow religious tards🤣surely , you can link the video, but i dont think youre going to do that. are you?
@@gskessingerablewhile WLC uses circular thinking as his basis. So fun watch Oppy slap WLC around every time they speak.
Dlaczego nie ma tłumaczenia na język polski???
f(^ー^; We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
Jordan can be on point when he needs to be....he does wander off topic sometimes but he's not, completely, the nut job that some people thinks he is.
(^-^; This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
How does light being absorbed and reflected by objects prove a created universe? Why pick that particular property of the universe over any other? What creation myth does it support?
@AJPemberton if anything in the environment is intelligent that proves that the universe was created. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. That is extremely suspicious .I find it impossible to believe a natural environment could do that.
@@robertmcclintock8701 How does something in the universe being intelligent prove the universe was created? Created by what? Why pick intelligence? Why not say plants growing towards the light is proof?
Why is white having baby blue and pink as an opposite suspicious? Assuming you are correct on this aspect... I always thought black was white's opposite.
Have you ever heard of the 'argument from incredulity' fallacy? Seems like you are deep in one right now.
As soon as Peterson comes up against a genuine intellectual, his bullshit just falls apart.
He got slapped by Dillahunty and Matt is far from an intellectual in terms of academics.
Democratic institutions did not grow out of the Jude’s Christian substrate they evolved from the Ancient Greek traditions in spite of Jude’s Christian faith!
Probably true.
But also:
The same Sam Harris said that Trump should be stopped by any means necessary, including hiding truth that would be inconvenient to his opponents.
That's where you can see his high-flying principles in action: cast aside at the first opportunity.
Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do.
JP talking is like respectfully requesting an artificial intelligence large language model to say a large collection of advanced words without expressing a singular point.
Had GPT perform that exact prompt:
“The juxtaposition of ostensibly incongruent paradigms within the overarching framework of existential discourse culminates in a nebulous amalgamation of abstract notions, rendering any definitive conclusion inherently elusive.”
Sounds pretty spot on.
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kinda off topic but the chairs these guys are sitting on are fucking nice
Rationality!! I why we go to war… Mr, Rationality
JP and all these phych-cathlofascists are finally falling. Just in time.
Whoever runs this page REALLY hates JP. Every video title is jp hate click bait. Kinda sad given that the whole point of these debates was talking across different viewpoints, and that they respect each other.
It is completely justifiable to hate Kermit the Fraud.
@@shanesawmclewdpresents that's a catchy name, well done
Let me guess, your a Peterson fan??
What is that guy on the left talking about? Wow!
Peterson displays John colfer levels of stupidity
2:16 Sam Harris's face "get to point dude, ffs" :)
How debate like Jordan Peterson
1) Verbal diarrhea, the more words the better.
2) Use a nervous scratchy voice to annoy your oponent.
3) Dont get to the point, try to confuse your oponent
4) When your oponent starts dismanteling your BS, interrupt him and create even more BS.
I call this a "tarpit" argument
Harris needs to stop sharing the stage with Peterson. It implies they are intellectual equals.
Is he trying to confuse us because he is trying to hide that he has nothing to actually say?
Stay on X. Free speech.
I think Jordan should stick to his monologues. He never sounds or looks good when he talks with other people, not even people who agree with him.
Is Sam’s right eyebrow always raised? Or is it just when he is in front of hucksters and charlatans!
How much more is this channel gonna milk these debates with Jordan Peterson
1:45 democracy? The Greek word for the rule by the people, first established in Athens 500 BCE grew from judeo-christian soil? This man has a college degree?