Anti-Irish sentiment | Do Irish people experience racism in England? | Ardal O'Hanlon & Enda Brady

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  • Joe Molloy is joined on the line by comedian Ardal O'Hanlon and Sky News journalist Enda Brady as we touch on the topic of discrimination in England and whether or not Ant-Irish sentiment is still as present as ever in the country.
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  • @antzmcgee
    @antzmcgee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Try Glasgow you'll find plenty of anti Irish sentiment

    • @davidguiney1746
      @davidguiney1746 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've gone to Glasgow loads of times and it really all depends on what you do. I used to go to the Arches or Sub Club and never got anything. If there's an Old Firm then sure it's a big difference.

    • @antzmcgee
      @antzmcgee ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@davidguiney1746 I'm from Glasgow i know better

    • @joncullen5382
      @joncullen5382 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's because you deserve it.

    • @antzmcgee
      @antzmcgee ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joncullen5382 can handle it 👍🏼

    • @countycricklewood
      @countycricklewood ปีที่แล้ว

      Gers fans and Orange twatery? What do you expect? Mouth breathers and Sun attempt to readers? 🤷‍♂️🤣☘️🇮🇪

  • @paulgallagher13
    @paulgallagher13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I moved to London when I was 15 and have lived here most of my life now and I can say with complete honesty that I have not a single experience of bigotry to report. I have been given opportunities by the UK than I would never have benefited from in Ireland and I am proud to say that I love Britain and British people.
    Most Irish people will say the same I have no doubt whatsoever.

    • @theoracle7148
      @theoracle7148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      We love you too

    • @thisguy976
      @thisguy976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I'm Irish and I have had a different experience Paul. I've experience so much irrational and nasty bigotry from various British people both in the UK and elsewhere just because I'm Irish. I have no doubt someone in the comments will now come along and attack me for my opinion.

    • @pwat7254
      @pwat7254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thisguy976 I agree, experiences vary and can be different for each individual.

    • @johnmurphy9304
      @johnmurphy9304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mine were all good I have to say, English were very friendly and welcoming, We lucky they so close as they saved many a family during boom/busts and times of poverty in 60s,70s and 80’s. Many a Cheque was sent home over the Irish Sea. In fairness the Irish worked hard too like they did in the US, there were no handouts,houses or freebies just work your way to make a better life...

    • @lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559
      @lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Head north, Paul - there seem to be more bigots up there.

  • @jackbowley1865
    @jackbowley1865 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Just like to say as a person from England (who watches this show daily}. I have family friends and close friends from Ireland I've known most of my life. Been to Ireland many times to visit them. My best mate is an Irishman. I don't know anyone in the UK who has hatred for anyone no matter where they come from. But, unfortunately there are wankers in every country that are xenophobic. Its such a small minority of people all over the UK who think this way. Most brits have Irish friends or family. We are no different, we share more in common than most. What has happened to Mcclean is terrible and it needs to stop Period. Lockdown life probably isn't helping when it comes to soical media.

    • @IsCumaFut2
      @IsCumaFut2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I lived in England in 2000-2002 and yup you're correct but yup they're are the minority that are that way.. Coz I'm thick skinned but there were moments which i felt in danger coz of anti paddy references...

    • @b.alexanderjohnstone9774
      @b.alexanderjohnstone9774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well said. You're dead right, I think the antipathy goes only one way. Brits don't tend to hold past political frictions (terrorism etc) against them (rightly so too) but I'm not sure it is the same for people from the south of Ireland. I'd be happy to be wrong about that.

    • @darrenwalshe8513
      @darrenwalshe8513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It seems to be cool to like the Irish now but back in 90s I was in tenerife n the abuse from English was brutal

    • @3storiesUp
      @3storiesUp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We have them here also Jack.

    • @ferencmarko5878
      @ferencmarko5878 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am living in Northern-Ireland, and I caime from another European country, unfortunately I have no such an enjoyable experience about the Irish people, particulary not about the rural people.

  • @merseydave1
    @merseydave1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I am from/living in Liverpool ... we are fortunate to have Irish intergration within our city along with the Welsh, many Irish people come here and stay ... we seem to have the same attitude and outlook.

    • @annedonnellan6876
      @annedonnellan6876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The people of Liverpool and Manchester are fantastic, warm people in my experience

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lots of Irish have lived in Scotland for centuries,

    • @YoungKuntzler
      @YoungKuntzler ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't.

    • @brooklyniron1999
      @brooklyniron1999 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do we think the anti abuse is stronger for ‘English experience in Ireland’ or ‘Irish experience in England’?
      Exactly. 😂

  • @parasinthephilippines
    @parasinthephilippines 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Having been born in London (Angela's Ash's)
    I went back to Ireland to be brought up by my grandparents in Cratloe Co 'Clare also spent my summers in Gorey with my Aunt who waa a teacher in the town.
    Went back to join my parents in the UK at the age of 12 and went to a De La Salle school in Blackheath.
    I was there a week when tge headmaster called me in and said no one coukd understand me so I'd have to go for elecution lessons.
    So now 40 years later I'm a paddy in England and a Brit in Ireland.
    Ya can't win.

    • @deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344
      @deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ya you shouldn't have done that education lesson yoke😂
      You may be English but you were raised in Ireland. Jack Charlton was English and he was considered an Irish man

    • @parasinthephilippines
      @parasinthephilippines 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      De La Salle brothers.
      Had no feckin choice.
      It wasn't a request!

    • @deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344
      @deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@parasinthephilippines I could never tone myself to please a few people in England but that's just me

    • @donalarmstrong4647
      @donalarmstrong4647 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You're Irish and we're proud to have you. Anyone who says otherwise (cause of your accent etc) deserves a box around the ears or, if that's a bit too strong, a bollocking for being an ignorant so and so.

    • @belltopcone
      @belltopcone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We end up being called Plastic Paddys by the Irish and Thick Micks by the English , cant win, my parents in the 1930s tossed a coin for London or New York, I often wish it had been New York that won the day.

  • @JD-dk6hd
    @JD-dk6hd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Experienced abuse every time I went to England, Scotland or Wales for rugby or soccer or just socially from my first trip with friends in 1995 until 2009. Not since then I have to say. The IRA were bombing England during this period so I have to say I can somewhat understand the dislike and abuse. Hopefully we have turned the corner and can move forward

    • @thisguy976
      @thisguy976 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, the IRA is not an excuse or even an understandable reason for that abuse. Shame on British people (England, Scotland and Wales). How dare they think they can just bully and abuse anyone who comes from a different sovereign State and who doesn't put up with their nasty ways. The ira certainly doesn't represent the Irish State and unless these British people are willing to accept that then they must take responsibility for the atrocities committed by the terrorist UVF and other terrorist supporting loyalists.

    • @michaelhussey440
      @michaelhussey440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I hope so too JD we have a lot in common and I as an Englishman I can say I have a love of Ireland and the Irish and
      I love to visit your country. I guess its often the case that countries have conflict with their near neighbours but we can overcome the past and find a better tomorrow.

    • @shaggyonatruck6643
      @shaggyonatruck6643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hope your next experience is better overall these two islands need to let the past go

    • @JamesFurey-qx9mr
      @JamesFurey-qx9mr ปีที่แล้ว

      The Provos were M16 though lol

    • @patkearney9320
      @patkearney9320 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JamesFurey-qx9mr Yea sure they where blanket men in the H blocks.

  • @fawltyoldboybasil.2178
    @fawltyoldboybasil.2178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The vast % of British (English, Welsh, Scottish) people I met when I lived in London, Northampton, Newport were all decent, friendly and, kind. As with every other place I have lived, there will inevitably be a few bigots and racists - met them too. I know enough to not judge everyone by the conduct of the few.

  • @nelled6240
    @nelled6240 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I lived in England from '71 until '96. Racism was a regular feature even among the people I worked with. It was often disguised as 'jokes' which made it more difficult to deal with.

    • @annedonnellan6876
      @annedonnellan6876 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I am a university graduate and shared with English graduates. I certainly detected some superiority complex from some English. It was subtle but real.

    • @annedonnellan6876
      @annedonnellan6876 ปีที่แล้ว

      Frankly, i think it is part of human nature

    • @ukqwerty999
      @ukqwerty999 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@annedonnellan6876 Correct, it's in every country on the planet, people just like to highlight England for some reason. There are few countries as accepting of different people, by the majority of the population. You could make this same program about English people living in Ireland if you really felt the need.

    • @YoungKuntzler
      @YoungKuntzler ปีที่แล้ว

      I loathe Ireland.

    • @jonathanwhite5688
      @jonathanwhite5688 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      that was during the height of the troubles, there was talk by denying irish the vote, expelling all irish from england and elsewhere and mass deportations i recall it was far worse in the uk press at that time unfortunately......

  • @grahamfleming8139
    @grahamfleming8139 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    As a Scottish Protestant my visits to Ireland have been very memorable the people in county Antrim, Meath,Kerry and Cork were all fantastic .
    No other country in Europe has been abused like Ireland for well over 800 hundred years.
    Yet most people on the Emerald island are normal friendly fowk.
    Lang may it last. Thig an latha, nuar a bha mi dol ais- speed the day when iam on holiday there again!

    • @hj1651
      @hj1651 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scottish Protestant? Are you an English person living in Scotland or how does that work ? Or are u Scottish born and just choosing the English religion ?

    • @grahamfleming8139
      @grahamfleming8139 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@hj1651 Presbyterian is no English laddie free from state,crown or Pope.albannach sioracch ross

    • @hj1651
      @hj1651 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@grahamfleming8139 no I mean like what’s your religion because I know English are proddys but I never thought Scot’s were proddys I thought Scotland didn’t like the English so that’s where I’m confused I read a comment on here from another Scott but I never would have thought Scotland were anti Irish considering the Irish turned on the English and fought with the scotts at one point

    • @grahamfleming8139
      @grahamfleming8139 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@hj1651 church of Scotland is the national church Protestant, one third of Scotland has Irish blood lines where most Roman Catholics come from.
      Like most people in Erin, religion is not an issue.

    • @hj1651
      @hj1651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grahamfleming8139 but the religion is a massive factor😂Irish are catholic and the reason the few English settled up the north were stoning Irish children and throwin hand made petrol bombs at them was because there catholic not proddys you can search that video up on here and see the children being attacked but I’m still shocked regardless I never would have thought there’s anti Irish in Scotland considering Ireland doesn’t call uk it’s neighbour it goes straight to Scotland and calls them there neighbour 😂😂😂

  • @stiofainmaccormac3282
    @stiofainmaccormac3282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Everyone who plays football in England (and probably anywhere else) is likely to get abuse. From the stands and from social media. It’s always a minority of the intellectually feeble that are prone to this form of antisocial behaviour. Is it treatable? Who knows? Are these sort of people educatable? It doesn’t seem like it but we can always hope. If you were a postman and a dog started to get all territorial and was making a lot of noise and threatening to hurt you, would you be offended? You’d probably realise that the dog was prone to this sort of reaction and isn’t intelligent enough to moderate it. I live in England and I am Irish. Believe me when I say, the proportion of bigoted idiots here is definitely no worse than in Ireland.

    • @fromireland8663
      @fromireland8663 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When I was in England I went to a match between the the two winning teams. I was shocked at the verbal abuse thrown at the players. I'm not an avid football fan and had only been to a few matches in Ireland - gaa, soccer, rugby, and I never heard such abuse. These English supporters were even abusing their own team - foul language, racist jibes, all within the hearing of small children. I couldn't believe it!

  • @lowros7786
    @lowros7786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Lived here for 30 years and have been welcomed from the start. The odd comment about potatoes, the famine etc are true but most English have an Irish heritage of some sort. They’ve always wanted to connect with that in my experience.
    The thing that shocked me was how the English detest each other.

    • @lightfootpathfinder8218
      @lightfootpathfinder8218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I agree. As an Englishman I can say that we are a very regionalist country that has a lot of rivalries (Northern v Southern... Yorkshire v Lancashire...Devon v Cornwall etc) Even towns and cities have fierce rivalries ( Manchester v Liverpool... Newcastle v Sunderland). I also think that even though the Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK most English don't see people from Ireland as "proper foreigners" like we do the French or germans but more like we see the Scottish and Welsh.

    • @jackietreehorn5561
      @jackietreehorn5561 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@lightfootpathfinder8218 the hatred in the north and bitterness I seen the English people just couldn't understand...... rivalry is one thing but pure bigoted mantra very different

    • @lightfootpathfinder8218
      @lightfootpathfinder8218 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MsMissy I agree with the second part

    • @harrypmay
      @harrypmay ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackietreehorn5561 ah, it’s all contextual. Mancs and Scousers hate each other for a moment but if a Yorkist was to wade into the situation they’d turn on them, what with them having allegiances to Lancastrians, and all of them would turn on a Southerner. The only rivalry that stays firm, across the country, is a general disdain and suspicion for London. However, I’ve been to a fair few countries across Europe and it’s usually the case that the capital of any country is loathed by the rest of the countries.

    • @Armed-Forever
      @Armed-Forever ปีที่แล้ว

      we are all from the great british isles, let’s all get along :)

  • @scotty9732
    @scotty9732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    hey i am welsh and i watch

  • @gerryfennelly9700
    @gerryfennelly9700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I could not wear a poppy but not out of direct disrespect.....its not my tradition however I wish love peace and freedom to any Irishwoman or Irishman who wants to wear a poppy....

    • @WildBoreWoodWind
      @WildBoreWoodWind 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gerry, I wear a poppy to honour the service and sacrifice on both sides of conflicts - most people don't go to war willingly, from either side, they are usually made to or lied to. I look at how the governments of Turkey, Australia and New Zealand commemorate the carnage of Gallipoli, the sacrifices of the fallen, injured, the grief of families on both sides. Nobody goes there to honour or glorify war but rather to remember, the loss and the futility of war.

  • @COUNTYGAINS
    @COUNTYGAINS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I went to england 2 to 3 years ago and the british women were all over me it was awesome!! good times good times

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You really need to go to America or Australia for women to be bowled over by the Irish accent and charm. 😉

  • @ProTantoQuid
    @ProTantoQuid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I "came over" in 1958 when I joined the RAF from University. The anti-Irish sentiment was very strong, more or less equivalencing Irish and "blacks". I was aa bit of a puzzle for the English, as I had a bigger vocabulary, a wider culture, a better grasp of grammar and spelling than most of them, and I was tee-total; so I didn't fit their mental image. To fit in, I adopted a sort ofstage-Irish person - snappy remarks, witty jokes. Outside London, the prejudice was much worse. The only group lower than the Irish, in English eyes, were the Scots and the Brummies.

    • @Ricardo-mr3bg
      @Ricardo-mr3bg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      So the Scots were more discriminated than the Irish? That's new for me.

    • @ProTantoQuid
      @ProTantoQuid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @MsMissy That doesn't make sense

    • @ProTantoQuid
      @ProTantoQuid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MsMissy I never doubted that!

    • @ProTantoQuid
      @ProTantoQuid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @MsMissy What about those who are neither witty nor articulate? Perhaps you lead a sheltered existance? Please note the topic was not racism in Britain but racism in England. of which there is pleanty of evidence, past and present. Perhaps you don't read newspapers?

    • @ProTantoQuid
      @ProTantoQuid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MsMissy QED

  • @michaelshevlin7123
    @michaelshevlin7123 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You're probably right there's a lot less bigotry towards Irish celebrities.
    But the rest of us who live in Scotland England or Wales have to put up with anti-irish comments,
    and sometimes physical attacks.
    Welcome to the real world Boys.

    • @Armed-Forever
      @Armed-Forever ปีที่แล้ว

      whooo and where? i just can’t fathom it, got great respect and love for ireland, never seen any anti irish sentiment

    • @telstar4772
      @telstar4772 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I`m from Brum maybe one of the biggest Irish populations in the county. I`m part Irish myself. I`ll give you some advice.
      Most of my mates parents are Irish and its 50/50 if they regard themselves as English or Irish. The ones who think of themselves as English/British will tell you they have never experienced any racism and are proud Brummies English.
      The ones who think themselves Irish are the one with grievances to tell.
      Take that chip off your shoulder and stop looking for wacism everywhere, get on with your life, no one cares.

    • @michaelshevlin7123
      @michaelshevlin7123 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @telstar4772
      There is a name for people who deny their nationality and culture.
      Of course, maybe they needed to change their name and nationality to get a job.
      It's not for me to comment. ☘️💚☘️
      🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

  • @christinenorden3726
    @christinenorden3726 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I have lived in England for years. As a rule, in my experience, the English love Ireland and the Irish. Lets be honest here for a moment: there is far more anti-English sentiment in Ireland than the other way around - so less of the holier than thou attitude might be in order perhaps...JM has faced some vile abuse but it does flow from his stance over the poppy. I'm not suggesting for a moment that makes him fair game but he has chosen to make a very pointed statement and fair enough - that's up to him. The idiots that are abusing him are the same type of knuckle draggers that abuse other footballers - they are given a voice that it is entirely disproportionate to their number by this type of reporting. Let's not invent a wider problem where there just isn't one.

    • @StiofanGaillimh
      @StiofanGaillimh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Absolutely

    • @davidgraham6434
      @davidgraham6434 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well said mate, some people on here, just like Scotland, love to perpetuate the hatred, most English are completely oblivious,to the hatred.

    • @davidgraham6434
      @davidgraham6434 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @James F absolute bollocks, hundreds of thousands of Irish have migrated to England, every city and town in England have Irish communities, in London I would say that 90 percent of my mates are of Irish decent, my family is Scots Irish, and catholic, millions of Irish have prospered in England, some silly spoiled footballer, who’s looking for attention, deliberately antagonises some English people, all of a sudden plays the victim, if the man had any integrity at all, he wouldn’t take the English ££££, like I said imagine a English man going to Ireland,, and behaving the same, he’d be lucky to get away with a knee capping.

    • @zedro1000
      @zedro1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think that's the problem at times - a holier than thou attitude. There's almost a sense on one side that hatred between countries (effectively racism) is OK if you believe it's historically justified and provided it's only directed at one country. And the great majority of it is in the media/social media anyway. In this interview, they don't even bother to take care to disguise the constant slipping back and forth between this is what I've read on Twitter and this is the English nation. And all that nonsense about the deep psychological connection of families to the military makes you wonder if O'Hanlon fell asleep watching one of those dreary US right of passage military academy films. Given the history of these islands, it's extraordinary how those of us who have proper day jobs manage to rub along as well as we do. But then we don't have to face the dread spectre of the make-up girl asking us which poppy we'd prefer. By dint of size and industrial history, England is really the only country in these islands that has anything approaching a widely diverse racial melting pot in its cities and of course it causes no end of problems. But huge numbers of us are fighting to make it work and there aren't many countries in Europe right now whose state of race relations I'd exchange for it.

    • @dendradwar9464
      @dendradwar9464 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I agree I lived and worked in the UK and had some bad experiences. At the same time people need to take more responsibility for themselves and also take into account the population you are living in. A big helping of common sense does go a long way!

  • @matthewpotter8491
    @matthewpotter8491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    People who want to seek it out can seemingly find it. I’ve lived in England for 12 years and never encountered a single problem. If you treat people with respect, they tend to treat you with respect!

    • @waynejackson7148
      @waynejackson7148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      What a naive perspective you have.

    • @matthewpotter8491
      @matthewpotter8491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@waynejackson7148 you’re probably the type who gets offended by their own shadow. It’s hardly naive... just real life experience. Has it prevented me from renting and then buying property... no. Getting jobs.... no. Being accepted into new friendship groups no. Do yourself a favour lad and stop living in the past!

  • @smoozerish
    @smoozerish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I worked in England on and off for 5 years as an engineer. Personally I would never go back there again because of the undertone of anti-irish racisim I witnessed and was at the receiving end of. It's not overt but insidious by way of remarks and it was present on a day to day basis in work, out shopping, socialising and even at the local GP who asked me why I was living in England which was not meant as a question. I was glad the UK left the EU to be honest so we forge closer ties with countries that don't look down upon us as an inferior race.

    • @terminalfrost3645
      @terminalfrost3645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You do realize that english people have experiences like this in ireland? The UK has a HUGE population the idea that they all hate you is in your head dear

    • @RobRoyBoaz
      @RobRoyBoaz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@terminalfrost3645 The English have experiences like that all over the world. I have lived in The States and had to explain to people over and over that I am not English. When I did, their attitude towards me changed and they became very friendly. Same in Spain. Same in France. Same in Canada.

    • @MCKevin289
      @MCKevin289 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m not an Irish citizen and I received bigotry in the north because my irl name screams out he’s a Fenian. People stopped speaking to me when they heard my name there. What a Catholic priest sprinkling some water over my head and the fact 100 years ago my family lived in Ireland all of a sudden makes me a Fenian? That coupled with the articles I read when I lived in Ireland left a very sour taste in my mouth of the Brits.

    • @edwardbrady5843
      @edwardbrady5843 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@terminalfrost3645 I have found that the majority of English are racist, but its not their fault, they are pretty badly educated and children learn from their parents.

    • @josephreilly6328
      @josephreilly6328 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MCKevin289 let's go mets, splashing lots of cash, let's see where it gets them.👍🍀⚾️

  • @Eflydo
    @Eflydo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I came to London in the late 1980s and there was a lot of hostility in the form of being called paddies and biddies and general prejudice at that time. There was a later time I felt unaffected by the prejudice - perhaps because I was busy raising children. The problem with some prejudice is that you don't know if someone just doesn't like you or if it's bigotry. - More recently, I have had comments and challenges - even on one occasion a "F**k off to Ireland". I am married to an English guy - who did not support or defend me against this - which made me feel very hurt. It's possible the prejudice never went away - but was just hidden. It is less likely famous people like Ardal and Enda would not experience prejudice in the same way.

    • @tradingwithtina4555
      @tradingwithtina4555 ปีที่แล้ว

      F off to Ireland then? Yal are racists in Ireland take a taste of your own medicine

    • @Joseph-bu9tv
      @Joseph-bu9tv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do not understand why there is , becsuse 15.million Brits are of Irish ancestry, I could never understand why there is such racism.

    • @eibhlinnichrualoai
      @eibhlinnichrualoai ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Your husband didn't defend you? Wow.

    • @harrypmay
      @harrypmay ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Joseph-bu9tv surprisingly a lot of people with Irish heritage either don’t care or don’t really know because it’s their grandparents, or great grandparents etc. so it wouldn’t surprise me if it was someone named Shaun Riley that gave the abuse.

    • @Secret19977
      @Secret19977 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe if the Irish didn’t try and bomb the English every five minutes there would be no issue

  • @TroystonB
    @TroystonB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I've never experienced anything that I consider abusive but at times I've felt an under-current of mistrust and reservation at the beginning especially. I love England though and have a lot of great friends and family there.

    • @Ricardo-cp2lu
      @Ricardo-cp2lu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "n under-current of mistrust and reservation at the beginning especially"
      That's the english way with everyone. Many Irish think it's against them because they have a more open and friendly culture.

    • @harrypmay
      @harrypmay ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ricardo-cp2lu that’s because the English have never truly been united. Even the Germanic tribes that give the country its name were not homogeneous. The Angles settled the North East with the Saxons, Jutes and Frisians taking the South. The North of England, like the ports of Ireland, were conquered by the Norse for a time which left a significant imprint on the culture furthering the divide between North and South. Even when William the Conqueror arrived, the country was still fractured with different allegiances, which is why you had the Northern rebellion and the subsequent Harrying of the North. That was probably the beginning of the North-South divide and it’s never really gone away since. That’s just a small part of the divisions in England. We could talk about the South West who actually spoke a different language to the rest of England and, culturally, are more akin to Wales.

  • @MackerelCat
    @MackerelCat ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It’s almost like we’re different countries with different cultures.

  • @witchamacallit
    @witchamacallit ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How many British presenters are on RTE or British comedians are on the Dublin stage ??

  • @michaeloconnor9809
    @michaeloconnor9809 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im in London almost 40 years of working life and never had any racism. Some of the newspapers can lean that way but person to person, never.

  • @michaeljohndennis2231
    @michaeljohndennis2231 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve lived in a working class/socially deprived area of Manchester for 21 years, have always held (and renewed) an Irish passport the entire time, am originally from Dunshaughlin, Co Meath but I’ve never encountered any anti-Irish racism from English people nor from any other racial nor ethnic group here in the U.K. and in fact, quite the opposite, as my closest friends are English people and those of other races and religions, as I’m both a “people person” a traditional Catholic and an older Irish gay man - any “racism” I encountered when I first came here in 2002 was more down to the fact that I’d been homeless for 6 months before I got set up here in the U.K. - however, this problem arises when I interact with other Irish people online and when I come home to Ireland on visits, as many Irish people (especially within Ireland) feel that I have “abandoned” my home country, which is simply not the case, as I personally care deeply about what is happening in Ireland - we Irish diaspora abroad face the greatest levels of hate and discrimination from our own countrymen back home, including members of our own families in Ireland, on a variety of issues and this remains the case, even despite Ireland’s hate speech laws - and it is also one reason why the Irish truth and patriot movement is so divided against itself, which is doubly heartbreaking given our country’s history - it’s almost as if it’s considered socially unacceptable for our diaspora to come home on visits from abroad - I’ve talked extensively online to other Irish people abroad, especially during Covid and it’s the same thing - and we almost feel like telling our countrymen back home in Ireland to “cop themselves on” and wake up to what they are really doing - successive Irish governments in recent years, even before Brexit, has made it ever more difficult to renew an Irish passport from abroad, to the point of making people apply for Irish passports online, yet they still deny us Irish abroad voting rights after 5 years living outside Ireland, even in the internet age - and yet they still encouraged young Irish people to come home from abroad for the gay Marraige referendum - yet only after a year living in the U.K. and on an Irish passport, I still got full U.K. voting rights - during Covid, we were not allowed by the Irish government in particular to come home to our families in Ireland without all manner of restrictions, tests, quarantines, vaccine passports etc, even though we held Irish passports and in many cases lived alone abroad, the only way we could see our families in Ireland was via Zoom and this was especially an issue in Rural Ireland with Rural Broadband

  • @davidbell2138
    @davidbell2138 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Racism against white people isn't seen as racism...I'm from Belfast, been in London for 24 years. People make jokes about "Paddy", leprechauns, potatoes and the famine, drinking etc from time to time. I didn't take much notice for years, but more recently I call it out as racist. If I was non-white, people would be much more careful about what they say. As pointed out here, there are idiots everywhere, but it surprises me that all levels of educated (or otherwise) individual seem to not understand casual racism.

    • @marke4576
      @marke4576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't think you know what that word means.

    • @jamie8032
      @jamie8032 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      once it goes over international borders. i.e, abuse aimed at someone from a different country irregardless of skin colour - it's racism, end of.

    • @Secret19977
      @Secret19977 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marke4576 proving his point

  • @peteymax
    @peteymax 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I lived in England for three years. The racism I received was relentless and vicious

    • @Josh-yl1cc
      @Josh-yl1cc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      it’s worse for an english person in irelands

    • @peteymax
      @peteymax 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Josh-yl1cc really? I hope not. I never hear that. My best friend in Ireland is English. I wouldn’t like to think that anyone would have to put up with the horrible treatment my family and I experienced. But of course I know that there are racist people everywhere

    • @peteymax
      @peteymax ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @MsMissy clarify missy? That’s there’s racism everywhere?

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Josh-yl1cc I have been to Ireland 3 times in the early 80's cork Waterford border,everyone one was nice, but they thought I was a rich British person, I was just a factory worker,and a first generation brit,as my parents were from eastern europe.

    • @Armed-Forever
      @Armed-Forever ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peteymax like what ? that’s ridiculous, anyone who abuses the irish around me i’ll let them know what time it is, no irish abuse is tolerated around here

  • @brianmoran1196
    @brianmoran1196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a Mayo man I got more grief from other Irish people than From English people.

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock ปีที่แล้ว

      😂To paraphrase Muhammad Ali, no Englishman ever called me culchie.

  • @Midland_Wolf_71
    @Midland_Wolf_71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Born (1970s) n Bred in Uk, both parents Irish, and I’d say there is still low level Anti Irish sentiment in the UK, it comes and goes in waves, dependent on the politics of the time. The times Ardal (big up the Monaghan massive ✊) spoke of were indeed mainly positive for the Irish as sentiments had changed following the bombings/politics of the 80’s and early 90s…Unfortunately we are currently living through troublesome times politically (globally) and so of course Social Media has become an outlet for cowards to vent their hatred… these people ultimately hate THEMSELVES but pour it onto whatever victim they can find at any given time.
    Oftentimes the “racism” and thats what it is is voiced in jokey terms, but its borne of decades of more serious Anti Irish sentiment, passed from generation to generation in an almost subconscious way. As with ALL racism in UK its very much top down in nature. The avg guy at the bus stop is informed by the media/newspapers and thats where the hatred come from - the OWNERS of the UK, just as it was150 years ago.. Just as it always will be… The avg guy is nothing to fear until he is programmed, and the newspapers/media here are forever programming them against one group or another.
    Generally speaking though, I think many folk seem to quite love the Irish these days, its just the cretins you have to keep an eye on BUT that has ALWAYS been the case wherever one goes.

    • @michaelhussey440
      @michaelhussey440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You are quite right to pinpoint a certain type of anti Irish prejudice but also I agree that there is pro Irish feeling too.
      Many Brits have a romantic positive view of Irishness and
      Congratulation s on winning a series in NZ in th e rugby a FANTASTIC achievement.

    • @MCKevin289
      @MCKevin289 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You hit it right on the nail man. I’m a historian by training and a proud son of the diaspora, a lot of the work I did in college was on anti-Irish bigotry. The media owners have deep deep ties to the political establishment in the UK and many of whom are the descendants of the same people who said our ancestors were dying of famine because it was God’s punishment on the Irish.

    • @ukqwerty999
      @ukqwerty999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MCKevin289 How much research was done on Irish bigotry towards the English people.

  • @billybyrne523
    @billybyrne523 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I love the way the two lads say the English are really grand and then both go on to give several examples of comments made to them just for being Irish, some of them by their 'friends'. If they want to think that it's normal...fine for them. They're probably keeping an eye on their careers too. I lived in Italy for 6 years and never once was anything derogatory said to me because of my Irishness. The only derogatory remarks I got were from English people who were there. Didn't take it lying down though and no Irish person should.

    • @martyfeldman3269
      @martyfeldman3269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      But you’re projecting your own anti English prejudice onto the English.

    • @jonoessex
      @jonoessex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Almost all anglo-Irish racism is Irish on English not the other way around. Who Bombed who for thirty years?

    • @FPSIreland2
      @FPSIreland2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      jonoessex that statement alone shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. Irish people were treated as second class citizens in Northern Ireland because of anti Irish racism. Because unionists wanted a “Protestant nation for a Protestant people”. That’s why the troubles happened, not because we “hate the English”. As a matter of fact, some of Ireland’s most appreciated revolutionary figures throughout history were British born or of British stock. To this day our “British” friends in the North of Ireland have bonfires every year with Irish flags with phrases like “kill all taigs” written on them. “Taigs,” of course, being a derogatory term for the Irish. And that’s not even to mention how your own government itself colluded with terrorist paramilitaries on your own side during the troubles but sure, Irish people are the racist ones 😭🤣

    • @jonoessex
      @jonoessex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FPSIreland2 The Troubles started because republicans used what were probably some legitimate greivances i.e discrimination and used them to stir things up in NI and start another war to get the Brits out. Nationalist also have bonfires with British flags on them. They only colluded with loyalists in order to stop republican violence. None of that has any thing to do with racism.

    • @FPSIreland2
      @FPSIreland2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      jonoessex okay. Let me get this straight: it’s okay for people to burn the flags of others, as a display of their taking the right to self determination from a group of people (they march in commemoration of the Battle of the Boyne, which is exactly that!) but it’s racist for the descendants of those who were colonised to burn the flag of the coloniser to represent the removal of that coloniser from the nation, and the establishment of self rule in Ireland?
      In other words, it’s okay to conquer and control a nation, but it isn’t okay for that nation to then turn around and assert their right to self determination?
      Also, the troubles happened because of (in short) decades of discrimination, which culminated in the Civil rights protests, and then to Bloody Sunday which was the spark that lit that warehouse of Jerry cans. A warehouse, mind you, that was so unstable and ready to blow precisely because of anti-Irish racism in the North.

  • @charlesw852
    @charlesw852 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can almost feel the desperation of Joe to have his guests say that they have received perpetual abuse from the English since moving there.
    He must have severely disappointed with this conversation.

  • @simongee8928
    @simongee8928 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Always interests me on St.Patrick's day in England why suddenly the pubs and other entertainment places really sell the Irish theme so hard and how such places are full of English who suddenly invent an Irish connection for the day. Never seems to happen on St.George's day to anything like the same extent.

    • @joprocter4573
      @joprocter4573 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reason some Irish got bad name was the pub behaviour.

    • @YoungKuntzler
      @YoungKuntzler ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes why do the Irish never celebrate St George's Day.

    • @darnellbiggumsthe9th658
      @darnellbiggumsthe9th658 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@YoungKuntzlerwhy would we celebrate the patron saint of a foreign country lmao, that’s like asking why english people don’t celebrate the 4th of july

    • @ashley-fk6dp
      @ashley-fk6dp ปีที่แล้ว

      ​mate you do realise that its the yanks and the advent of popular american cinema hollywood and music that made english king and a language of wide spread use the fact that the british empire was the most dominant of all enpires certainly layed the foundation but the world speaks english because the americans inherited the mantle from the british empire when the tommys were running the show it was not yet clear which laguage was abolutely going to be most dominant ....so it was the yanks even now a day if a foreigner learns english without an accent he is most likely going to emulate american english ...

  • @j2248
    @j2248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Dougal kept the headphones from the Pat Mustard stakeout

    • @3storiesUp
      @3storiesUp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      :D

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣 father stone ,the most boring priest, still watch father ted on you tube,it's brilliant

  • @sorcinaitalia
    @sorcinaitalia ปีที่แล้ว +8

    We all have our own personal experiences, I lived in London for 12 years in the 80's and 90's and I must say, I suffered terrible abuse from people I respected as colleagues/neighbours/friends, especially when there was a terrorist outrage.. I moved back in 1997 and I must say, I am happy to visit London but I will never live there again. Ireland is a great country to live in, Anybody who suffered the same hatred I suffered is better off moving back to a more civilised country where I hope we support people of every nationality, race, sexuality etc. James McClean has my utmost respect. I know what you are suffering James. Be proud.

    • @22grena
      @22grena ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ireland for the Irish

  • @user-xl7cj6wb6h
    @user-xl7cj6wb6h 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Joe Molloy looks so disappointed that neither of the guests had any real stories of hate . 99% of Irish people in UK have a had a great time and experience living and working in uk .

    • @thisguy976
      @thisguy976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That's wrong A. The vast majority of Irish people receive anti-Irish prejudice and nasty remarks at least once in their time in the UK. Its quite ironic that people from the UK don't receive more prejudice around the world considering their history of committing mass atrocities and then being ignorant of the fact.

    • @myfriendkevinthebunseller.5925
      @myfriendkevinthebunseller.5925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @A in fairness man he stated quite early on it's a minority voice made loader through social media...

    • @myfriendkevinthebunseller.5925
      @myfriendkevinthebunseller.5925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @peter coleman I mean... that's a selective reading for sure...

    • @joprocter4573
      @joprocter4573 ปีที่แล้ว

      A* YES I think ppl who don't really move away or travel. Joe molloy pretends to be politically unbiased in NI and gets too much voice on things with that hate viibe

    • @joprocter4573
      @joprocter4573 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thisguy976 sounds like chip on shoulder. English ppl are prejudiced against no more deserved than Irish victomhood or anyone else. You can't be responsible for one or more Irish abroad who are not nice.

  • @m.k.s.7417
    @m.k.s.7417 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think, that many in Scotland, do: E.G. all too often/generally, from: "rankers" (rangers) fans/their like??

  • @carmelmulroy6459
    @carmelmulroy6459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    When I was in Ireland the Irish just stuck to themselves. I was very fortunate where I lived as my co workers and boss were great. But after work everyone I knew was Irish.

  • @rossgeography
    @rossgeography 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alright Enda, myself and Fitzy missed you at Peter's reunion - came in and knocked us off our perch ;P - was a shock to see you the news years later but fair play to you!

  • @roger_melly5025
    @roger_melly5025 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In 2013 while working in Manchester, the English project director, upon seeing me with my coat on in the office (heating wasn't working) commented to the effect that I should be used to the cold after picking taties in Scotland 🙄

  • @cuibono6872
    @cuibono6872 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im a plastic, born in England Irish parents, used to tell people I came from Luton, an industrial town 30 miles north of Dublin, there wasnt enough pure bred English in Luton in those days to be bigoted against the Irish, lots of irish jokes, but told by plastic paddies to real paddies and always just having the crack,(not craic) many of the pubs and clubs were Irish owned and Irish themed, I love England and Ireland and the English working classes, in my experience, (beside the paddy) are the most tolerant welcoming humorous people in the world.

  • @mikki3562
    @mikki3562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Ardal, what about the hullabaloo about so-called Anti-Semitism recently in the British Labour Party? I experienced anti-Irish racism while working in England in the eighties and it was as bad as any other form of racism. It depends on your personal experience, I guess.

    • @mcgov91
      @mcgov91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what a series called the lobby (think its on youtube) really opened my eyes to that fiasco within the Labour party.

    • @mcgov91
      @mcgov91 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      watch*

    • @Fredders88
      @Fredders88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do you know what % of LP members were under investigation re. AS? 0.06%. That doesn't mean 0.06% were guilty but just that they had a case to answer. The whole thing was exaggerated to undermine Jeremy Corbyn.

    • @mikki3562
      @mikki3562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Fredders88 Yes I'm sure you're right. I'm not in Britain and I'm not British but like a lot of people internationally I was appalled at how the Conservatives in Britain overturned the huge popular support that Jeremy Corbyn had gathered. It looked more like a coup to me, using smear tactics and lies on a massive scale pretty similar to what you would expect any elective dictatorship in the so-called third world to deploy. If you want to find some kind of racism you'll probably dig it up where it really doesn't exist, which it seems is what they did. In any case, anti-Irish racism is far more likely to be found because it's so much more obvious and widespread, but I never heard any of those so-called victims of anti-Semitism or their supporters in the media, or the Conservatives say a word about it.

    • @Fredders88
      @Fredders88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mikki3562 Absolutely, smear tactics and lies on a massive scale. The UK is massively corrupt - the established media went along with it pretty much to a man. The Morning Star being the honourable exception.

  • @joprocter4573
    @joprocter4573 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They give as much as they may take. White South African lady got loads from her Irish neighbour in England. Best not to be hung up about it.

  • @aribethneverwinter4632
    @aribethneverwinter4632 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lived in England for 1 year....got told to "go f off home" probably once a week

    • @aribethneverwinter4632
      @aribethneverwinter4632 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @MsMissy lol it's not and that was only in 2006

    • @LHBH8
      @LHBH8 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There’s a movie with Jim Carey called Liar Liar you should watch.

  • @alandillon968
    @alandillon968 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    England and Britain have done many horrific things in Ireland with Cromwell, William of Orange and the Potato Phanom. I try not to take away the hardship, starvation of the Phanom but this needs to be judged in the attitudes of the age, the period in time which had far less values than today .
    We have Charles Dickens, "Dickension London", the industrial revolution where use of child labour was acceptable, , children losing fingers in the Cotten Mills of Lancashire. Once the child had no fingers to tie a knots in the strand of cotten, they were thrown out... Unable to work, Redundant!
    Kids down coal mines, but also where the poor were taken advantage of at every level in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. But Ireland seem not to accept this picture and only want to see how badly they were treated. Society then had little care for any of the poor in any part of the UK. People starved , died, thrown out onto the streets, unlawfully galed in UK Cities. The difference was the numbers of starving Irish with the potato phenom.
    My point is this careless attitude was normal across the whole of Britain by those in Power and with money, those politicians who made those decisions about the patato phenom, land clearance etc, were Scottish, Welsh and English.
    Lets pick up your point, What about the Irish exenaphobia to the English. See any Irish on TH-cam video asked, "what country do the Irish hate " and "The English" is shouted out proud by the young. Yet, they were born after Irish indeprndance, so where are they getting their resentment and hatred from?
    Even to the point of distinguishing between the rest of Britsin... Odd when you think at that time in the British Army, soldiers where from Scottish, Welsh even Irish as well as English but it's always the English who are hated.
    Interestingly, go to any British Cemetery in the "Old British Empire," you will find Irish civilians and soldiers with the Scots, Welsh and English buried there. All participated in building the British Empire and subjugated the indigenous people of those country's. My point, Ireland and the Irish shouldnt have the clean consciences as they like to think they have, some were willing participants too!
    Yet, again like the Irish, we get people from exEmpire countries hating the English but never include the Welsh, Scottish or the Irish in that, as if some how they were slaves to England or forced into joining in the subjugation of the peoples from those countries! Somehow the civilians from Scotland, Wales and Ireland were somehow forced to go there and live the luxury lifestyle that it offered with the subjugation it brought.
    Then we have films on Netflix etc such as "The Dublin Murders" where it is openly discussed how the Irish hate the English about 4 times in the series its mentioned... (how exenaphobic and racist is that)! This would not have been allowed on a British program in relation to the Irish people, unless it was in the context of a historic drama or documentary.
    Even look at how the Irish complain of the first invasion of the English. It was the Norman's who invaded Ireland first after invading England! Your "High King" stupidly went to an agressive, war like, concoring King asking for solderes. Many recruites came as mercenaries from Europe the rest were poor peasants and serfs under the leadership and power of their New Norman Lords, they had no choice!
    But the Irish don't look at the bigger picture and like to blame it all on the English because it doesn't fit their profile and hatred for the English.
    Look at how many reacted to the Death of the Queen with celebrations! One gave a quote from a famous Irishman saying something like...( If you take the seat of power you accept all what others have done before you) as a reason for celebrating her death. (No you don't inherit the sins of the Father), what a small minded Irish person would say that! Worse what small minded person would use it as a quote to be proud of!
    That would mean an illegitimate child carrys the sin of the parent, or a wife or children carry the sins of a rapist, murderous Father.!!!

    • @jonathanwhite5688
      @jonathanwhite5688 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Think your absolutely right here in Ireland we simply assume the British are the English this is simply not the case…… many Scot’s and welsh too consider themselves British and are in the British army so the fact the British are simply the English is absurd I think it’ll take my countrymen years if not forever to understand this…..

  • @michaelogrady5214
    @michaelogrady5214 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Always find the English great, our brothers, and always felt welcome by the English, 😊

  • @petercolledge8204
    @petercolledge8204 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember the Coventry bomb in the 70s and went to a teacher training college in England, full of Irish girls. I had to speak to taxi drivers who, on hearing the accent, were reluctant to pick up any girl. I had a fierce respect for these women. I returned home down the road, while they were going back in the holidays to a war zone. God bless them.

  • @JSL2000
    @JSL2000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I have worked in Birmingham for 17 years and NOT ONCE have I been called a single derogatory name, had a single problem, or felt anything other than welcome. I am originally from Tipperary and have had opportunities here I would never have received back at home. We (the Irish) have done really well here in terms of Sport, Business, Arts, Media, Music, and The Public Sector. James McClean is a bit of a "victim" if I'm honest. He's up there with Luis Suarez in the "Everybody's being so mean to me here" category. There's another guy who got lots of opportunities, didn't help himself, and decided he was a "victim" too. I condemn the abuse James gets, but listening to him going on about how we are some oppressed group of people who are looked down on as 2nd class citizens - Complete, total, and utter nonsense.

    • @KOL630
      @KOL630 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I came to the UK as a child from Tipperary too, was born in Clonmel. I was bullied for years due to being Irish and having an accent. Called thick, a paddy, an IRA man, a fenian, you name it. In school there were two black kids at the time and we were all lumped together. We all became good friends however, it’s only now in later life that I realise why that was. If I tell my friends this story now and even my partner it is laughed off which winds me right up.
      I have had a good life in England and have had opportunities that I would not have had in Ireland but my childhood was not easy. Even now it’s deemed ‘ok’ to make jokes about paddies but if you say anything about any other races all the social justice warriors cry into their dinner. Racism against the Irish is not treated as seriously, it’s deemed ok because we’re essentially white. I don’t forget the abuse I had as a kid. As I said I have no animosity towards the British despite the history between Britain and Ireland and my childhood here, you move on and get on with life. However I still remember it vividly and it did affect me a lot. Now I have the reverse problem of being called a plastic paddy by Irish people because I sound English and have been here all my life. You can’t win. Never thought I’d be having an identity crisis at 40 years old…

  • @lorrygeewhizzbang9521
    @lorrygeewhizzbang9521 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The case of Margaret keane, not allowed to write an Irish phrase on her loved ones gravestone because it might have some terroristic undertones.

  • @jcummins2177
    @jcummins2177 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I knew someone that was from an American WASP family. They still hold anti-Irish prejudice.

    • @MackerelCat
      @MackerelCat ปีที่แล้ว

      My friends cousins husbands sisters son and so on. Plenty of Americans who claim Irish descent still harp on about the British like it’s 1850.

  • @mikki3562
    @mikki3562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Anti-Irish racism was always there in Britain, either overtly or covertly. It rises and falls in accordance with the general state of relations between the two countries. It is now abundantly on the rise with Brexit and it's doubtful it will be acknowledged as it should in the British media.

    • @waynejackson7148
      @waynejackson7148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree with you

    • @martyfeldman3269
      @martyfeldman3269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In Glasgow , terrible anti Irish bigotry.

    • @DaDoM123
      @DaDoM123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      What about anti English sentiment in Ireland though

    • @mikki3562
      @mikki3562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DaDoM123 I'm in Ireland and there are now many English/British people living here. And I have never heard of any anti-English sentiment being expressed towards them. There is disdain though in Ireland towards the excessive British chauvinist bawdiness sometimes displayed by some English football fans, or by some Brits abroad towards other people. But I know that doesn't account for all English people, and they are not all like that minority. Unfortunately it seems like it's that minority who get all the attention, and maybe it can be interpreted as anti-English sentiment by some, but I do not see it as that. The loud bawdy, chauvinist ones do try to create an enmity between all English people and all others because it suits their situation. But I would insist, I have never known any anti-English sentiment to exist against English people in Ireland. It's really not there, but I would make a distinction between that, and a general dislike of that other phenomenon I mentioned above.

    • @martyfeldman3269
      @martyfeldman3269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@mikki3562 to be fair it’s only the English anybody looks closely at and there is a double standard in the criticism the English get. The English seem to be solely responsible for what the British did and there is a difference between English and British. Or the amount of arguments I’ve had with Europeans criticising England for its colonial past ...WTF ! Dutch, German and French people criticising England for its colonial past with very little if any knowledge about their own colonial pasts. Or Irish people telling the English to stop going on about WW2 because it’s over 70 years ago then talking about the Uprising as if it happened last year. I’ve seen so many double standards and ignorant takes on history this last month from people that cannot give a good reason for why they hate the English.

  • @Fredders88
    @Fredders88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm London born to Irish parents. There still is anti-Irish sentiment in England in my experience. For e.g. a co-worker in my office referring to the Irish as a 'subspecies'. Hearing young people on the tube taking about the Irish as a sort of white underclass - the young people were from a south Asian background. A policeman saying at the St.Patrick's Day do at Traflagar Sq that we should all 'go home'.
    But probably not as much anti-Irish racism as there was when the Troubles were raging and there aren't that many Irish in England as there used to be - the 50s' generation are dying off.

    • @adammartin7007
      @adammartin7007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Baffling, considering that Irish people in the UK earn on average 41% more than than White British. Children with a White Irish background are also outperforming White British children in school.

    • @Ricardo-mr3bg
      @Ricardo-mr3bg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@adammartin7007 Palestinian Christians outperform Israeli Jews in the School and it doesn't prevent them from discrimination.

    • @brianbreen1026
      @brianbreen1026 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kaiserbill99,I could give many examples of English atrocities from a much more recent time factor.I'm not looking for apologises from the English I'm just pointing out those atrocities are there,on all sides.I say again it's a tragedy.Slan.

    • @ProjectMILF
      @ProjectMILF 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@adammartin7007 the Irish value education more no matter what social class they belong to. So it's more a case of they do well in spite of enduring a certain amount of abuse.

    • @joprocter4573
      @joprocter4573 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adammartin7007 all down to triple funded aphreid faith schools. Maybe taxpayer shouldn't pay for division and put more money into state schools

  • @Midland_Wolf_71
    @Midland_Wolf_71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Daley Thompson thing is exactly it….. This is the type of thing you still hear, its learned behaviour from parents who were more bigoted and blindly led by Royalty/Class/limited media channels … the younger generations have largely turned from such institutions...

  • @romystumpy1197
    @romystumpy1197 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave Allen ,Eamon Andrews,Terry Wogan,Val doonican,the bachelors I remember from the 70's

  • @peacehope7365
    @peacehope7365 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    People are people. I couldn't care less about anyone's nationality or religious faith. I just like nice people. Peace and love to all ❤️

  • @Paul-eb4jp
    @Paul-eb4jp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've grown up surrounded by Irish people and we've never even seen them as anything different, I wish I could say the same for black and Asian people but Irish are just us. I genuinely feel there's a real effort to make out that English people are unpleasant, I think that in itself is a kind of racism.

    • @Farmchad
      @Farmchad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Listen, I’m here 5 years people make my life a living hell here in England I come respectfully my partner is English we have a home together but maybe once a month I receive hatred ‘Irish c*’ or references to the paramilitary’s and almost on a daily basis my accent is mocked or just outright insulted

    • @Paul-eb4jp
      @Paul-eb4jp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Farmchad I just find that totally at odds with my lived experience and if it has happened to you I'm really sorry but I just don't get it, I've witnessed all kinds of racism but not towards the Irish since the stupid jokes in the 70s.

  • @That_Random_Bloke
    @That_Random_Bloke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Why aren’t any other Irish players coming out and supporting McClean?
    Could it be they don’t agree with him or are they just worried they will start to get this kind of abuse themselves?

    • @DM-rp9ik
      @DM-rp9ik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Probably don't want the hassle of being plastered across every right wing rag accusing them of terrorism because they dont support the British armed forces and what happened on bloody Sunday.

    • @Ricardo-mr3bg
      @Ricardo-mr3bg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're not stupid, they have a famiy and don't want to be targeted.

  • @whittenoval
    @whittenoval ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very disappointed by this interview. Affluent people like the two interviewed don't experience what the rest of us at working class experience . Irish people lost their jobs ,when the bombs went off and over here in Australia we were tarred and feathered by the British centric media .
    If I had a dollar for every time I was abused I would be rich.

  • @22grena
    @22grena 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When Ardal came to England the children of the 1950’s Irish immigrants came of age and this had a huge impact on attitudes especially the previously ubiquitous Irish joke. The change had very little to do with people like Ardal. Plus most of his audience would have been 1st generation Irish.

    • @kurtpunchesthings2411
      @kurtpunchesthings2411 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love your profile pic The legend himself Tom Barry

    • @rick11960
      @rick11960 ปีที่แล้ว

      and middle class.....

    • @cuibono6872
      @cuibono6872 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well said, as my old mammy used to say, another paddy philosophising when theres no philosophy.

  • @preacaininternational5637
    @preacaininternational5637 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Unfortunately there are anti Irish sentiments anti Irish prejudice . And anti Irish racism. Also there are some who arrogantly judge any independent thinking by Irish minds that is not in line with the false moral authority of England over Ireland

  • @grantbazunu8611
    @grantbazunu8611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ppl can never tell the truth when some issue comes up.

    • @needlehead9888
      @needlehead9888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And what exactly did we do to you guys?

  • @aofionnagain
    @aofionnagain ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have always had a great time in England, but those times have coincided with Islam and Muslims becoming the new hate figures. My family have lived there since the 50s and suffered quite a bit of bigotry abd anti-Irish sentiment, but admit that this has changed substantially since the mid 90s on. I think the fact that we are quite happy to embrace the 'happy Paddy' persona, and English culture allows for us to fit in, and that's never a place of respect.

  • @azapro911
    @azapro911 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We tend to treat Irish people how they treat us. Give respect, get respect. Give a volley of Anglophobic abuse, get some well deserved home truths in return.

    • @bloobblop8508
      @bloobblop8508 ปีที่แล้ว

      800 years

    • @andrewruddy962
      @andrewruddy962 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sadly you cannot please everyone. My advice is never carry others historical baggage. A Londoner and Irish.

  • @johncoughlan1435
    @johncoughlan1435 ปีที่แล้ว

    I lived in London during the 80's where it was Irish first, ask questions later. Also having 2 people discuss where I am sure Judi Dench had different experience than John Walker.

  • @Meowthezar
    @Meowthezar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im the first of my mums family to be born and raised in england and when i was a kid i was frequently called a pikey and had people throwing rubbish and rotten food at our flag during the rugby world cup, its definitely not how it was when i was a kid but i still see it

  • @michaeltwomey3225
    @michaeltwomey3225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    all these lads saying it’s the same in both countries....but there’s a difference. open a history book and maybe you’ll learn why mcclean won’t wear a poppy.

    • @gmaureen
      @gmaureen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Is wearing the poppy mandatory for everyone born in another country? Would a person born in the US get the same pressure to wear one? I'm American and we bought and wore the poppy until the 70's and then the custom just gradually fell away. I haven't seen anyone wear a poppy in years. Why the pressure on the Irish?

    • @MarkL-we8uk
      @MarkL-we8uk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @joiganja exactly. His wealth insulates and protects him from any serious repercussions

    • @3storiesUp
      @3storiesUp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @joiganja What a ridiculous argument .. if you dont want to wear a poppy then go play somewhere else .. Jesus wept ..

    • @3storiesUp
      @3storiesUp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @joiganja I have no words mate .. none.

  • @addictedtocraic
    @addictedtocraic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    James McClean stands out because he has drawn attention to atrocities committed by the UK army against its own citizens. They have conflated his outspoken views with support for the IRA which is ridiculous.

  • @thisguy976
    @thisguy976 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's a lot of racism in the UK against Irish people and especially in England. However, it's rarely confemned and even less so are people involved held accountable.

    • @jonathanwhite5688
      @jonathanwhite5688 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      that's funny i lived in wales and scotland and there's an awful lot of anti irish racism in scotland we cannot assume our so called celtic cousins are innocent many in both wales and scotland don't like the irish sadly.....

  • @wfl6887
    @wfl6887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Such a stupid question. Have the guys been living under a rock.

  • @66kaisersoza
    @66kaisersoza ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Just seen a video of someone asking random irish people which country do they hate the most? And most of them said England!
    You dont help yourselves guys 😂😂

  • @AdrianMendoza23
    @AdrianMendoza23 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great conversation

  • @thomasryan7702
    @thomasryan7702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We should have a conversation about the Nigerian racist who have weaponized racism against Irish

    • @RedRose-dg3th
      @RedRose-dg3th 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You do that; he's been brainwashed with English doctrine clearly. If he knew the "truth" he would weep.

  • @husky701sm6
    @husky701sm6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Same can be said in ireland about the anti-English.

    • @michaeltwomey3225
      @michaeltwomey3225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      the reason there is anti-english sentiment is because of hundreds of years of on going discrimination. don’t be a fool

    • @husky701sm6
      @husky701sm6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@michaeltwomey3225 sorry bud but you just need to get over things. I've never come across an english person who is anti-irish.

    • @smurph6953
      @smurph6953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@husky701sm6 that's your experience not most of ours

    • @BusyBrittain
      @BusyBrittain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@michaeltwomey3225 that isnt an excuse.. the english people of today had nothing to do with the people of history

    • @wrestling46nerd
      @wrestling46nerd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@michaeltwomey3225 excuses. Nothing but excuses. You hate being hated but then say oh Irish hate towards the English is justified, well unfortunately that doesn't work.

  • @user-ow8zd2vz9l
    @user-ow8zd2vz9l 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    As asian (and loyal fan of Father Ted series), I’m so surprised that there is a discrimination between whites and it’s still such serious. Pardon my ignorance.

  • @jamie8032
    @jamie8032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Being called mick, Paddy, sly digs about the IRA, I've had it all. The English think, plain and simple "Well he's Irish, that's close enough to us, so it's alright to poke fun" No, It isn't. Geographical distance doesn't matter, i'm not from your country, so at least give me the same dignity you give other foreigners - so no making fun of accents or demeaning nicknames. If the abuse goes over international borders (aimed at someone from a different country), it's racism. End of.

    • @catherinebuckley650
      @catherinebuckley650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s race discrimination check the equality act 2010 employment law

    • @catherinebuckley650
      @catherinebuckley650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I felt more comfortable in the USA no racism there to me at all.

    • @lorrygeewhizzbang9521
      @lorrygeewhizzbang9521 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​@@samdaniels2It was just explained to you in black and white and you still don't understand? Read the last 3 lines again.

  • @FruitCakeReaper
    @FruitCakeReaper 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    as someone from the north of ireland (northern ireland) who has lived in canada for a long time I've been treated 100 times better by the English here than the Irish

  • @liamcleary3704
    @liamcleary3704 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happens in most countries in the world but yes i have experienced a bit but got to say it was more banter than discriminations, came to the UK 86 great friends from all walks of life.

  • @cidercik
    @cidercik ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, another EU citizen here, not Irish, who has watched the whole show.
    When I first came to London in 1999, I was shocked by how the english were towards the Irish. Ardal is being very generous, but since brexit, the serious loathing the english have for foreigners has been set free and will never stop until they are really taught what their empire did. I would bet that that is never going to happen. So despite 20+ yrs, I and the other half are moving back to Europe. Good luck to the english in replacing two decades of experience the day after I'm gone.

  • @sc4rf4ce1983
    @sc4rf4ce1983 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been living in the UK for over 5 years. Most of the racism I've encountered has been one of ignorance. People making Irish jokes unaware that they're being racist. My experience here has been extremely positive overall. Just the odd bit of ignorance.

  • @eugenemcgovern9703
    @eugenemcgovern9703 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Irish are second class citizens in their own country.

  • @whittenoval
    @whittenoval ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe look at the origin of the poppy in the first place. Then you will find a reason why people shouldn't wear one.

  • @johnhanson5943
    @johnhanson5943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don’t think so. But English people certainly suffered racism in Ireland. Not only English people.

  • @ChlopskiStyl
    @ChlopskiStyl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm of close Irish decent. My Nan had issues in the 50 to the 70s and my Dads family was in a lot of street fights over Anti-Irish commemts but in general the general English people have no idea on what Britain did in Ireland and like Ireland. They just eat what media sells. Its only your combat 18 lovers, no surrender royal lovers and benefit loving chavs that seem to have comments to make on facebook and then have nothing to say in person. The general working English mean nothing to thier pompous classes and politicians either or royal family either. I see more English people getting excited about St. Patricks day than St. George's.

  • @thomasharvey2896
    @thomasharvey2896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A feel like Irish ,Catholic Scot’s (which iam a practising one ) ,black people and other minorities are at times castaways to white English people in the uk

  • @paulgreen3361
    @paulgreen3361 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh what’s this , is it to divide us now from the Irish. As an Englishman I have visited Southern Ireland many many times since the eighties. And I was treated better than I was back in England, the Irish people are the most amazing people in the world. When I use to go to Ireland they use to crack Irish jokes to me. I think the problem is that over the last 30 years people have been brainwashed to get up set over anything, people are not as strong as they use to be and anything can upset them now.

  • @thomasbonner8464
    @thomasbonner8464 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Canary Wharf was 1994.

  • @leeturton9254
    @leeturton9254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Irish hate in England?...I've never seen it...a lot of us have Irish blood anyway...I see the Irish and British the same...we like the same things we have the same sense of humour...a little bit of Micky taking but nether hate

    • @daijo2948
      @daijo2948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      😂😂😂😂 never read such a nonsense comment in my life

    • @pod1610
      @pod1610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How is life under that rock.

    • @taintabird23
      @taintabird23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is quite common for English people to see Irish people as the same. There are certainly things we share in common: in Ireland, for example, we are great consumers of British popular culture, but that relationship only works one way - you don't get our TV or media and therefore our popular culture over there. While comparing the two favourably, English people make the mistake of not understanding the differences. The differences are important too. So while we share many things, like history and the consumption of British culture, we are different people and the world is a richer place because of it.

    • @taintabird23
      @taintabird23 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MsMissy You do. And you see Ireland as some sort of autonomous part of the UK.
      Sure only yesterday the UK press were claiming Irish academy award nominees as British...

    • @ocearbhaill3894
      @ocearbhaill3894 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MsMissywhat isn’t? That Irish people haven’t faced racism & prejudice in England? 😂 what about the literal signs saying “no Irish, no blacks, no dogs”?

  • @Farmchad
    @Farmchad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don’t know we’re to start, 5 years here my gf is English met online moved here .. was only 25 and I didn’t take into account the amount of hatred id receive over here stuff of the past even before my time and if you think ‘just go home’ I built a family here it’s not that simple! Anti Irish sentiment is RIFE over here I don’t know how more people are not talking about it experiencing it is demoralising

  • @joprocter4573
    @joprocter4573 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every football team must ensure their players show total respect to country they in and any occasion making mass bereavement commeration stands silent then carry on when over and never court publicity about anything but how public pay you to work your skill not your mouth or how you feel indignant.

  • @DYKTTATUOBLVD
    @DYKTTATUOBLVD ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow was this ever a shocker? Ireland is the birthplace of humanity 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

  • @nr8782
    @nr8782 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😂😂😂😂 recist expirience recism😂😂 so funny

  • @user-ue3kw5vs5j
    @user-ue3kw5vs5j 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    No we don’t I’ve been to uk and everyone loves us Irish 👍🇮🇪🤝🇬🇧

  • @lsmith6036
    @lsmith6036 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stephen Colbert lookalike award

  • @polomis27
    @polomis27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For Joe....... Do you think the temptation of employment in the better remunerated British media may be a factor in the downplaying here of anti-Irish sentiment in the British media? I do remember Ger saying, after Neil Lennon received a bullet in the post, "...would he not tone it down". Maybe you can only be so Irish.

    • @jonoessex
      @jonoessex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Huge amount of anti-english sentiment in the Irish media. Is that ok?

    • @martyfeldman3269
      @martyfeldman3269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jonoessex A huge amount of anti English sentiment in this entire video and comment section. And a completely cavalier attitude to double standards.

    • @polomis27
      @polomis27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonoessex Where in the Irish media? Any examples? .....swing and a miss

    • @jonoessex
      @jonoessex 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@polomis27 www.irishtimes.com/opinion/anti-irish-bigotry-in-britain-has-not-gone-away-1.4180940

    • @polomis27
      @polomis27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jonoessex Have you read the article? Its point is exactly the opposite of your original one. Sigh.

  • @calumjunior7748
    @calumjunior7748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Xenophobia not racism but hey ho....

  • @xxxjoker607
    @xxxjoker607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Probably not a word about it in England

    • @xxxjoker607
      @xxxjoker607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cus not black lol 😂

    • @That_Random_Bloke
      @That_Random_Bloke 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      McClean was on TalkSPORT earlier. Whether it’ll be debated on Sky Monday Night Football or Match of the Day is another story. I would doubt it

    • @millevenon5853
      @millevenon5853 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xxxjoker607 not cool bro. Don't attack us

  • @OldWolflad
    @OldWolflad ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Brexit wasn’t all about little Englanders. A lot of working class people including ethnic minorities voted Brexit for different reasons

  • @Colls515
    @Colls515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is funny. This video came up on my wall. I am American but my grandparents are from ireland and use to tell me that english people did not like children

    • @neildiamondo6445
      @neildiamondo6445 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha in medieval times Scots thought the English had tails 🤣

    • @Colls515
      @Colls515 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@neildiamondo6445 they dont?

    • @neildiamondo6445
      @neildiamondo6445 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Colls515 not any more no 🤣

  • @Gypsygeekfreak17
    @Gypsygeekfreak17 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never heard of any of this

  • @noelmaher4633
    @noelmaher4633 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got as far as Irish comedians, O Hanlon....Gd luck....2.31..

  • @concong4183
    @concong4183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    OTB trying to create division. I'm from the North and lived in England for 10 years. They're as fine a people as us.

    • @3storiesUp
      @3storiesUp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No .. OTB discussing the issue ..