Is communism evil or is it making a comeback?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Journalist Ash Sarkar debates whether communism could ever work in a modern-day society with fellow panelists Carole Malone, Jamie Lambert and Vicki Michelle.
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why has it become so trendy to ask a question to an individual and then not allow them to answer it??
What an obnoxious show.
A better question is why has it become trendy to have a communist widely published by national papers, regularly interviewed, and treated as a serious political pundit on serious political talk shows, but not facist ones? This show is as obnoxious as its choice of guest.
@@sarfaraz.hosseini because to be a fascist u fundamentally believe large portions of the population must be removed. It's an ideology that given the chance, would kill people.
While communism and far left ideology as a whole is just fanatical egalitarianism
@@flyingflamingflamingos3793 Fundamentally they're both murderous ideologies. I think that was his point.
@@sashimi879 but they're not, fascism is, it needs a scapegoat, the jews, non-whites, degenerates etc, and communism doesnt. Just fanatical equality.
Communism is a stateless classless society, all the attempts at making a peaceful have failed so far, ussr etc. We've seen what happens when communism fails. But genocide is what happens when fascism succeeds.
@@flyingflamingflamingos3793 Unfortunately "fanatical egalitarianism" ultimately requires certain portions of the population to be removed.
And while I carry no brief for fascism, not all fascists (or those who stood with them) were Nazis - I read somewhere, for instance, that a certain proportion of the Italian Jewish population supported Mussolini, at least initially.
"why won't you explain yourself?!?!"
*proceeds to speak over and interrupt and not allowing her to explain her position*
Natural selection, she was the weakest so she failed
These interviewers are incredibly rude and unprofessional. It's actually painful to watch.
At least these discussions can be had. Under communism the other side of the panel would e killed for being "anti revolutionary"
Very stupid interviewers
Calling that an 'interview' is creative. It‘s a shitshow, but I think it‘s great Ash is doing this and in a calm manner exposing these corporate bought shills
You can't be rude to a communist. They don't deserve respect. They deserve to be victims of the most brutal violent executions
In communist government, suppression of opposing ideas is almost always enforced. There should be no liberty for the enemies of liberty. Communists should always be held to account for their atrocious views, and should always be confronted on how wrong they are.
She literally describes it for a 3 year old and still... straight over their heads.
Communists are airheads
She is describing a system that doesn't reward hard work or competency. Given the inevitability of human nature how can you think her ideas are in the realm of reality
I was hoping to type a top comment, but hats off. It's straight up redirecting instead of actually acknowledging the subject.
I guess the 100m dead has gone over her head too.
@@mylesg7278capitalism kills 20 million per year
That seems fair one communist and 5 anti communist in a debate. I always like a balance, so there is no bias.
When you start donating every penny of your income (minus just enough for canned soup and a 200 square foot apartment) for the betterment of society, we'll consider listening to you. Until then, you're not entitled to a penny of my labor.
@@14598175 You would be earning more of your labor value under communism than you do now, because you would not be having your labor value stolen by capitalists.
@@jasonfenton8250 Every economic and political structure has it's obstacle. However, one of the few ideas that can never truly happen is communism. The only way it could work is if it were ran by robots who were programmed not to want for anything. Basic human nature is to want and to have, thus whoever holds power will eventually succumb to such a desire.
How come everyone shot at Check Point Charlie were all shot in the back and all running in one direction...
Away from communism?
Duh what's. Check point Charlie?
Who is ceacescu?
My intro to sociology professor never mentioned any of that
@DestroyEraseImprove ; can i have some sources on that ?
not saying that communism is good, but this idea that only communism has ever killed anyone and that capitalism has resulted in no deaths whatsoever is hilarious
jake linton So homelessness, starvation, inability to afford medical help, etc are not on the capitalist kill counter.
If you count all the slaveries, revolutions, war caused by capitalism you won't say that.
They all did. They all have killed many and enslaved many. So only to say communism resulted in 100 million death while capitalism saved many isn't correct. And primitive accumulation was the first stage of capitalism. The means include slavery.
World war I is a war between imperialist nations, and the economic crisis led to the fascism of Germany and Japan, leading to world war II. In fact, the Soviet union was founded even later than world war I. Japan surrendered in 1945. So modern capitalism which you said is far more peaceful(still a lot of wars) should be about 60 years old? Then the modern socialism should be the same so you must count from the same time period.
Well take a look at the human welfare index. Not one socialist country in there in the top 30, let alone communist ones. Communism or Socialism is great, until it runs out of money built off capitalism, and then millions starve to death. Take a look at Venezuela.
i think i'd combust if i were ash here... she's talking so calmly and explaining slowly and i'd say pretty well and is met with shouting and stupid questions
'call me thick' okay i will
But what she is saying is so amazingly stupid that you can't blame people for getting mad at her
@@vanisha6000 110+ million dead and it failing literally every time attempted is a "stupid question"???
@@brianchoo298 more than a billion dead from capitalism, but hey, let's continue to support it even though it is dragging us down...
@@Meerque do you have a better solution to capitalism?
These talk shows always do the same: they overwhelm and overtalk the main person invited to speak so that he/she cannot get the information out. The chairman keeps interrupting Ash and the same chairman allows others to do the same so it all becomes a shouting match. People are getting fed up of all of this, we really are. It is a childish and irresponsible way to have a public debate and until we learn to treat others who have different opinions, with respect on these forums, we are going to learn nothing.
You're right. That's we are turning to podcasts for information and debates
Interesting: where can I listen to the podcasts?@@andreagibbs8557
That caller knows her history! Bravo!
There is a reason the guy picked 'neurosurgeon' as an example because it is so much more nuanced than that. Capitalism incentivizes playing a popular sport over being a research scientist at a university. Or being on TikTok over being a public school teacher. We truly are living in a dystopia already. Just too blind to see it.
Yes, god forbid our miserable lives, we are all sheep to the evil capitalist elites. HANG THEM ALL... wait I just got a job, nvm. imma buy an iphone.
@@IrrationalCharm communism is when no iphone
Yeah, because Communism really incentivizes progess lol.
@@SefniAsheforr What is progress according to you?
@@mayanksaboo8045 Individuality, the freedom to try and achieve what you want even if you fail, a higher standard of living for most people than the decades before, an acknowledgement that the world will never be fair and is ultimately a terrible place, but still trying provide a state where people can at least attempt to better their own lives. Those are some examples. I would never include among them shared responsibility and/or guilt, forced service to a group or collective, a state owning the means of production, or an economically unviable system that would only decrease the standard of living for majority of people overall. Reality is horrid, unfair, and brutal, just like the evolutionary circumstances that created homonsapiens in the first place. But humans at least having individuality and the freedom to try and pursue happiness in some form is as decent as we are most likely to ever have it.
I love Star Trek, but there is no way in a world where children are raped and murdered, people are kidnapped and tortured, innocents are butchered by terrorists and serial killers, and sociopaths are able to convince people to follow them will we ever live in a utopian, harmonious society whereby currency need not exist nor "exploitation" through voluntary services and employment.
It's great to dream, but this evolution based world is incapable of providing a perfect system or harmony, hence why the animal kingdom is one of predators and prey (just like humans, who themselves are animals). Best we can do is work with a system that at least understands that and provides a higher standard of living for most people, even if it isn't paradise or has grevious faults in some areas. I'm quite happy as a middle class American and son of a formerly poor parent that I have access to the privileges I do. I'm lucky, had I been born in another part of the world without the values of America and the West, I could have been a peasant farmer displaced into a labor camp to meet industrial quotas with no freedom of choice. But instead I can pursue music and writing while working a basic 9 to 5 to support the burdens of my existence that we all have.
My goodness, being surrounded by so many old people who repeat like parrots what the media and their parents taught them must be exhausting! I feel for you, Ash!
It’s what history has taught us.
Don't worry when these idiotic boomers finally begin to die out the right will fall off a generational cliff-edge from which they can never recover
Because your professor or your depressed friends thst are upset life is hard are way better 😊
@@Prc205yes, the history that your School sistem in the most imperialist country in the world teachs. 😊
My goodness, being surrounded by so many people with no personality who repeat like parrots what their hippie highschool teacher taught them must be exhausting! I feel for you!
Here was me thinking that “fully automated communism” was just a meme
Fully automated luxury gay space communism is the next step from here comrade
i believe she said it because if she said she was Marxist leninists or ancom or something she be slaughtered by fake facts but a random ideology has no facts or fake statistics a clean sheet
It’s a great idea and is going to become more relevant as technology continues to progress
@@kanenewman5517 get in the helicopter communist
@@wavell14 Go to Siberia fascist
It is 1759
Noble man from France asks:
"And where did a democratic republic ever work? Where are the democratic republics at work right now? And who would be the king?"
The idea of a democratic republic was completely refuted. Democrats and republicans destroyed. The french revolution never happened.
It is 1929.
A Communist in Germany asks:
"And where did a national socialist state ever work? Where are the national socialist states at work right now? And who would be the leader?"
The idea of a national socialist state was completely refuted. National socialists and fascists destroyed. The crystal night revolution never happened.
@@jbagger331 still hasn’t worked, fascist. Your eternal Reich collapsed after just a few years lol
It is 1600
A dutch politician asks:
"And where did a non-government-owned global entity exist? Where are these so-called "private" empires? And how would they function long-term without the extensive financial backing of a government?"
The Dutch VOC never existed. Europe never adopted capitalism; world colonization was but done on a very small scale. And no multinational corporations were ever formed, with most of the world still being poor and unindustrialized.
Anarcho communism in the back banging the head against the wall when she's saying all communist leeds to a dictatorship
that's because red scare simps think all lefties are tankies
Has anarcho communism ever worked? Literally ever? Even Marx said violence would be needed to establish communism.
@@bethn9615 it has worked in the free territory of Ukraine until it was crushed and catalonia until it was crushed by Franco and in Taiwan where they is currently a anarcho Christian settlement and of course violence is needed u really think the state will give up its power
@@bethn9615 Establishing is one thing. Maintaining is another. Violence is necessary to overthrow any hegemonic governing body
@@bethn9615 it has. It worked in Manchuria in the late twenties up until Imperial Japan invaded and took control of the region.
These other people are an advert for the Dunning-Kruger theory.
They all are, and so are you if you think communism is a good thing
@@DaPs166 is concentrating wealth within an ever decreasing pool of elites the way forward then?
@@tubthump You’ve just described communism
@@DaPs166 how can you be so stupid and so confident
When the capitalist propaganda machine is at work it is extraordinary. The quickness to anger from those who parrot propaganda is amazing. I was attracted to the ideas of marxism because I want to become a historian I have been obsessed with it ever since. The way the societies have been structured before degeneration into a beurocracy or crushed due to pressure from foreign powers is something of tremendous importance in the times we are experiencing now.
You know that communism only comes into power with the weak and lazy, it’s the reason academia loves it , it gives all these smart people that choose to get expensive educations but didn’t have the work ethic or skill to turn that into a job outside of teaching the stuff they were taught
I love how you don't see the irony in being a communist and talking about others "parroting propaganda". Like you have to be in some horriffically isolated echo chambers to actually become a Communist. You should also clarify that when you mean "historian" you mean you read a few twitter posts because no actualy historian agrees with your take.
Communism is for lazy, low iq, jealous people who cant atand others being more successful that they are 😂
nice bibliography@@kebabkebob7808
Amazing communism has killed millions both economically and well of course paranoia being thrown in there. Every single tyrant throughout history who has described himself as communist has literally been responsible for the deaths of millions. Anybody who supports communism are either stupid or evil themselves
People run here from communist country’s for the freedom we have no government should have that power ever. And I also have Scottish blood from my father and freedom is something we will fight for.
*Too bad they didn't let her answer to the only other intelligent person there, the man* 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
"Is communism evil or is it making a comeback?": what a damn stupid question!! Why can't it be both?
"you can't vote communism in, you build communism" exactly, very glad Ash had an ally here. it's frustrating to see these same talking points being shoved about when presented with novel ideas. we are a traumatised species ;so scared most of us.
Ash Sarkar ruined any chance of a modern communist movement in the United Kingdom. Typical college graduate academia - ignoring the successes of Marxist-Leninist nations just to push some new utopian, anti-Marxist, anti-scientific ideology. She doesn't speak for the working-class, only leftoids. What a shame.
Although you are right, us communists are traumatised and scared in the West. But you can approach that fear differently. Us tankies are headstrong - just look at Galloway. Meanwhile, academics like Sarkar have to bend the knee to the agenda and create some stupid, impossible utopian ideal that is FALC.
@@Wackaz i agree with you, and I'm disappointed with Ash in my own ways. but i still think she's net positive.
@@evanliveshere how is she a positive? She's literally a dirty communist.
OMG let Ash and the only man there have a real debate!!!! 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Apparently there is no more real debate-we have Seen that with the flu situation the past year
Honestly I love how the anti commies were just making a clown out of themselves with foolish child like behavior and not even letting the girl explain a bit and then the person who called in was like ok Karen’s shut up and listen this is the answer you’ve all been grilling the other girl for then dropped the mic like a rockstar
So let me get this right,you believe communism is a good thing?,the way forward?.
Obviously you were watching a completely different video both Ash and that caller have no idea what the hell they're talking about communism is responsible for over 100 million deaths and you can't defend that.
@@tommytaylor5195 Communism lies!!!!!!!!!!
@@tommytaylor5195 she is probably butt hurt ,jobless and miserable that’s why she needs communism….everyone wants to be one when their broke ..but no wants to be when their pockets are filled
@@tommytaylor5195 communists believe that there is no such thing as lying and that the stated goals of communism
A stateless society
Equality
Emancipation the worker
Are the honest and sincere intentions of honest and sincere politicians.
They believe that their ideas can only be argued hypothetically and all their far fetched claims must be regarded as fact.
They believe that you and I must suppose that the public sphere is controlled by the people and that people with little money are actually privileged and that people with a great deal of money are actually oppressed.
The talk show host who makes twice as much as any neuroscientist for doing absolutely nothing - yes, i'll trust his opinion on what motivates hard work.
Why do we have uneducated tv pundits attempting this subject. We have labels, we have structures. The label of communism has many structures as does capitalism. It's an academic conversation and debate for people that have studied the subject. If you leave it to people who don't know what they are talking about like Carole the loud mouth, you just have the names of countries bellowed into your face with minimal understanding of the subject. Well done Ash Sarkar, there's hope coming from the youth.
Where has communism worked? Answer; it has never and will never work and is immoral to its core.
@@realitycheck3188 LMAOOO same arguments over and over again and you become willfully deaf when communists debunk it. Communism was never implemented for it to fail. What makes a communist society a communist society is it being a stateless classless moneyless society. That was never applied or implemented to begin with. Let western countries stop intervening in countries that are working towards communism and let it be applied before you blab about how communism never worked. Also Communism is all about ending cycles of exploitation (being worked to the bone and not given basic living necessities) and liberating the working class. Nothing immoral about that.
@@bennyboom2800 I feel sorry for how wilfully conned you have been. Communism is an ideal not based in reality and that is why it never reaches your utopia or any other commies utopia. All Commies have one thing in common - their own version of Communism which leads to the likes of a Lenin and Stalin taking over because it reduces down to how has the power.
@@realitycheck3188 America has crushed every democratic attempt at Communism there ever was, this won't stand forever, there's your reality check 😂
@@realitycheck3188 didn't one of the Presidents of a communist countries shoot himself when an American backed coupdetat take over the country?
"What would we get that we haven't already got?" Tens of millions of dead bodies, that's what!
Ah nah we'll get them anyways. Capitalist neocolonialism will starve those people deemed unworthy of life by our system to death. But hey africa and asia got some nice spots where we can build hotels and feel good about ourselves when we give the black waiter a few quids. Man it is sure good to be a capitalist. At least the red flags of the revolutions where tainted in the blood of the oppressors not some bangladesh children who make your flags that you can wave around at the next football game feeling patriotic for twelve twats earning more in one month than you will earn in your entire life. Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you being told day in and day out what you have to do, where you have to sit, when you have to eat, how you have to dress, what is acceptable at the work place and what not? Because that is litterally what communism is. The common ownership of the means of production, no longer being a wage slave but actually taking life in your own hands. Democracy not only in civil affairs but also in the workplace.
@Joocey Pale Boi
You mean like the constant famine in subsaharan africa caused by the lack of planning in the global economy
The death was not a part of communism
@@communist_man_of_pesto401 communist countries can still colonise and conquer blaming the fact people have freedom to trade on things like slavery for example is nonsense
@@communist_man_of_pesto401 you're not very convincing. It sounds awful.
Perhaps Ash should take her 'luxury communism' to Russia or North Korea.
neither of which are communist countries?
Russia? LOL. I'm convinced right wingers are all just low IQ human beings
@@swanny3560 NK is.
@@DavidCastle-fe3hi its more of a monarchy tbh but im willing to learn. give me three communist elements of NK with sources
@@swanny3560 a communist state. Why do you think it's not?
Remember, one of the tenets of communism is to destroy.
I hate communism as much as the average Brit, but this show was just a blatant hit piece on Ash Sarkar.
What is the point of freedom if you refuse to listen to alternative points of view?
There are too many people like Ash around its frightening! How can your head be wired up in such a twisted way?
Schools are teaching socialism/communism. These poor kids have no clue that their advocating for a system that is just as evil as Nazism. No clue at all.
14598175 Stop believing the capitalistic propaganda and read the god damn “Capital” by Karl Marx. Communism is literally the most opposite thing to Fascism and nazism. Communism supports the internationality and feminism. It’s actually the most democratic ideology we have at this point.
How can your head be wired to fight for liberation and cooperation? How evil!
Night time Animal communism may be opposite in its theory to fascism and Nazism, but that doesn’t mean it cannot result in the same outcomes. Death and more death.
@@thegoalistheplan3868
Its just another kind of fascism where you can't keep your own money. Why being the owner of my firm, which I've built using my money and brain, I should be obligated to share my profit equally with my workers who have had, comparatively, much less brain work and money gone into it ? What gave government the right to, arbitrary, equate my efforts with theirs ? How's this even moral ? How's this democratic ?
You, communist apologists, need to stop now.
I just enjoyed watching loudmouth Malone get put in her place😂! A lot of speakers think if they shout over people or speak the loudest, their views are the most legitimate!
Shouting someone down is the primary liberal/leftist tactic lol. Or should I say Neo-fascists!
Right wing behaviour
@@ceowulf7328 not really.
Shes brown,how ironic if isaw white nazi itwould bewrong,shestillfollows extreme ideology,because she asian,nobody cares
And I’m still none the wiser as to how you implement ‘real’ communism.
A democratic socialist would advocate for electoral democracy. A communist, anarchist or marxist would argue for revolution.
Alexandra Pedersen yip and she’s a commie!
@@Showbizboy Yes. Historically speaking, revolution has been necessary for the betterment of society. The USA, for example, didn't gain independence through legislative democracy, they revolted against the British empire. At the end of the cold war, most of eastern Europe revolted against their authoritarian overlords.
Alexandra Pedersen personally I hope we don’t go down the commie route revolution or no revolution.
I would start reading some "principles of communism" by Engels. It is incredibly straight forward but very simple. It covers what communism is and very broadly how to implement it. Then maybe the communist manifesto and some essays like "the abc of material dialectics" or "why marxists oppose individual terrorism" both by trotsky. After building a good understanding of what communism means I suggest the work "reform or revolution" by rosa luxemberg. From that point on go wild. And when you feel like actually fighting a titan there is always "das kapital"
Why are we giving communism a platform? You wouldn't see this happen with an advocate for fascism. Why is fascism instantly vilified, as it rightfully should be, but communism, which is leagues worse, is not?
How is communism leagues worse than fascism?
@@3xample It has led to many times more deaths than fascism.
@@kevinfanning8027 How many deaths has capitalism led to?
Zapatista Chiapas, Catalonia and Rojava when they say all communism leads to dictatorship
Guess we dont exist exist exist....in the arms of an angel, fly away...
She is speaking about long term results. Robots and AI are going to be introduced. Before arguing against her they need to understand her position. I am not a communist but the polemics here are atrocious.
You know I thought about organizing with my fellow workers and begin to demand better benefits from my boss, but then my boss told us that demanding more would mean all of our families would die from HIV and my boss’s puppy would die so we stopped
It’s just a bunch of angry old ladies shouting at this girl that’s actually debating.
"Call me thick" - Yes, you are thick. She explained it to simply to you.
5:28 "How can there be different types of communism? It all just sounds like George Orwell's animal farm to me..." You know, George Orwell the libertarian socialist/anarcho-communist writing a critique of authoritarianism lol
lol @ Ash trying not to laugh
You're saying that there's only one type of capitalism and Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and Green are all the same.
Liz just slaughtered all of them with rapid fire FACTS
who is Liz?
What happens to luxury goods like speciality wines that can only be cultivated in certain parts of the world? Who get's those in Luxury Communism?
The blonde woman keeps interrupting... -.-
It's called the voice of reason trying to save their lives.
Liz...!!!
She HitchSlapped Carole Moron in the most beautiful manner.
don't try and deny it, but there has never been what i believe to be a communist state. in the USSR, and china for example the state owned the means of production 'on behalf of the people'
@@anonymouswhite352 capitalism has killed millions more and continues to keep killing to this day
@@Sam-lt1pb Capitalism just means goods are owned by the private vs the public. I fail to see how that can kill people and keep killing people considering we don't use it. Communism is purest evil hundreds of millions dead it has never worked and never will
@@anonymouswhite352 exactly!
@@anonymouswhite352 Capitalism has left so many in poverty not only in the world but the US as well. Not to mention that the US has started so many wars all over the world. Look at Iraq for example, where we decimated the country just so we can get cheap oil to exploit for the lowest possible prices with no regard for human lives. Capitalism values profits over people. In communism, ALL people own ALL the profits and you cant have one without the other, hence why real communism would be far less violent than the murdering and decimating of communities that we see today with capitalism, all in the name of achieving "the bottom line". Please dont be so naive.
@@petergriffinmk2884 Real communism kills millions of people it has never worked it has always been evil and always will be you have failed to realise that capitalism is not a legal system it simply means you own you own things that's it, it's really not complected you own your house not the government. In communism the government owns everything not the people so who do you what owning your house? A corrupt government that hates you and your their slave or you ,yourself?
THAT CALLER WAS OUT OF HER MIND.
The woman on the phone call literally had to resort to the 'it's not real communism' argument, lol
Saying the Vietcong was evil because they fought against imperialism is like saying the French Resistance was evil because they opposed the Nazis.
Look at a conference made by Richard Wolff and you'll know what you're talking about when you're talking about communism, skip the talkshow BS and go see the substance
No thank you. There is way too much evidence of communism failing catastrophically to ever want it implimenting again. It is EVIL and IMMORAL. Nobody has a right to steal from people and that's what communism is.
@@realitycheck3188 Then please if you will not consider that democracy is a better system than capitalism and the market, please enjoy your capitalist system. I'm sure it will treat you with fairness and dignity.
@@arthurfourcade8350 people like you arguing ideologies constantly miss the forest for the trees. It ain't communism or capitalism that doesn't treat humans with fairness or dignity, it's humans who don't.
@@dave9547 Then please explain to me how humans can treat each other with respect and dignity within the context of say slavery. Please i'm really looking forward to your answer. Humans evolve and act within a social context made up of various rewards and punishments. One society may reward selfless action, another may punish it. These cultural items carry immense influence on individual decisions. In fact they are often the very basis of decision making as we are constantly reacting to a context that is inescapable, unless you basically live in a forest or at the top of the montain. Therefore what you said on ideologies makes no sense. Also by the way, do you think of yourself as someone devoid of ideology ?
If you're listening to this program i'm willing to bet that you are very much not, and in any case you can't go throught life without one, either your own or one that what given to you, you see even saying that you are against ideology, that's an ideology. This refusal to consider anything but the individual stems from the cold war era and the anti-communist propaganda of that time; the fact that you are still participating in this non-sense and accepting that to quote thatcher "there is no society, there is only the individual" wich is the essence of neoliberalism shows me that you individuality and your free will are actually very weak.
Capitalism in full display on this panel: bully, mischaracterize, and censor.
Communism is idiocy.
I will personally buy her a ticket to Venezuela.
Why, it's a capitalist society where the economy is majority owned by private interests. It's not a communist country at all
G. Whistler no its not, the government have nationalised almost ALL private enterprise. People can only survive on the black market. Source - Im venezuelan.
breaksnbeats. and I would personally buy you a ticket to any scandinavian country. clean the dust off of the mic when you pick it up please. thank you. hugs and kisses. xxx
andcouncil1 oh? You mean one of those decidedly capitalist countries? (No, they are not democratic socialists).
The term socialist has been thrown around quite a bit in the past few years. Not since the cold war has the term garnered so much attention in the press and from politicians. But when you look at countries who actually have a socialist economic structure, you can see some similarities to the United States - but there are some really stark differences.
Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium. Despite popular myths, there is very little connection between economic performance and welfare expenditure. Many of the countries on this list are proof of that, such as Denmark and Finland. Even though both countries are more socialistic than America, the workforce remains stronger.
Bless the person that called in
Pro-communism isn’t pro authoritarianism and pro-dictatorship. Nazism inherently others particular ethnicities like Jews, Roma and other minorities like lgbtq+ people. Communism doesn’t necessarily do that, in past regimes it has happened to kill people but it doesn’t require it nazism does. If anything capitalism requires inequality, communism only uses it but it not baked into the goal of communism, the goal is equality. Capitalism based on competition necessitates winners and losers.
Also calling yourself communist doesn’t make you one being one does as in striving for a communitarian society.
Lmao is this the U.K's alexandria cortez?
@@Leo-us4wd *Better
Much, much worse.
Well AOC doesn't claim to be a communist so...
AOC isn't a communist, so no.
Good point, but I'm pretty sure she'd never get elected in Britain.
Maybe wishful thinking.
The lack of critical thinking skills on this panel makes me so sad, but totally unsurprised (except Ash)
If you free your not equal and if your equal your not free 😉
Whilst I don't believe in communism myself I think rejecting something purely on the basis it has never worked isn't a credible enough argument e.g, cold fusion hasn't yet worked. It does not mean that scientists cannot think of ways to do it better in the interest of sustainable energy. It does not mean that deride or shout down anyone who tries to explore the merits of certain alternatives like Carole tried to do.
Dr Ollie Folayan - Cold Fusion hasn’t led to the deaths of millions of people had it?
What a stupid mindset.
Nazism hasn’t worked , so would you be open to trying that again?
What makes you think it will work?🤦🏾♀️
@@epicduckz98 well its just national socialism at its core obviously the fascist part of it would have to go but id asy it wouldnt be terrible
I clicked on this video because I thought it’d be more civil than the pier interview. I was sorely wrong.
This show should be called, 'Airheads with Opinions'.
No thanks, I like eating food
Yeah, me too. That's why it's so frustrating that the UK throws away 30% of it's food every day because it goes unsold. If only there was an economic system that allowed hungry people to eat that food without having to buy it...
Yes and?
@@m.l.d.6500 Go to Venezuela and you'll be able to eat rotten meat 😀
@@jb894 you’re saying Venezuela like what’s going over there was caused by Communism and not Capitalism 💀
@@zy5796 it was caused by communism. What planet do you live on mate?
Stupid vid title. It’s evil and it’s making a comeback.
Vine’s audience: LCD.
Yeah let’s tax the rich
Rich move to another country
Everyone else gets heavily taxed to make up for the loss of income
Where would they move too? Haha.
The issue as to whether Fascism is comparable, inevitably came up @03:20. It rather depends on how people define themselves; there may indeed be a version of Fascism which has been cleansed of all racism, militarism and political violence whose adherents denounce Hitler, Mussolini etc. which defines itself purely in terms of some political goal to be achieved by more or less peaceful and democratic means. Personally I have yet to encounter such an approach. Indeed most of those who are openly Fascist tend to be apologists for leader cults and their methods. Communists too have among their number people who do this but they are becoming increasingly rare as the years progress. However there have also always been Communists who vehemently denounce such people and oppose their methods. All that is required to be a Communist is to believe that that the world economy can be brought under democratic control and the surpluses used to progressively improve the human condition. Now this may prove to be a total pipe dream, but that’s another debate entirely since it has nothing to do with giving offence. Think of Christians by way of analogy; the arrival of the kingdom of heaven is far-fetched but that’s no reason not to wear the T-Shirt without being held directly accountable for its many doctrinal excesses from the Crusades via the Inquisition to the Holocaust.
she said Nazism not fascism it is different with Nazism being very extreme in the culture right and a a centrist encomia model
Dave , you are a thinker !
@@ronniecollum8794 Nice of you to say so squire but I wouldn't go that far!
@@mq6532 Both Nazism in particular and Fascism in general have a centralising economic model but neither could be described as economically centrist. In both cases the role of the economy was to support military adventures.
@@davesmith7528 ok
Hi from Canada. I'm a communist.
@@dr.fleischkanu8200 So much for the tolerant right....
Stephen Bray I’m a capitalist.
Dr. Fleischkanu so just because someone’s got a different opinion from you, you want to kill them, I just think you’re not smart enough to have a reasonable debate.
Short Answer:Yes
Long Answer:Yeeeeeeeeeeeeessss
"Luxury communist" is an oxymoron if ever I saw one
How so? A fully automated society would have more parallels with communism than it would with capitalism
@@Dagvalda They wont respond because they cant see past their confirmation bias!
@@burnintrees420 yup! Oh well :) one day someone will explain to me why communism is bad *fingers crossed*
@@Dagvalda because under collectivism (of which communism is guilty), you can't be an individual!
@@Zurvan101 are you sure about that? So under collectivist societies people don't have names? Or can own or rent property? Have a vocation or a profession, get educated to persue a particular craft?
Can you point me to a communist society that is like this? Are tribal societies (that are highly collectivistic) like this?
Bear in mind, that the soviet union was a socialist republic, which by definition is not communism. The same goes for Mao's China and N. Korea.
Them old hags are terrified.
jason filio why wouldnt they be? A clear example of the old saying "those who fail to understand history, are doomed to repeat it". No doubt a few of them had grown up during the cold war, so i shant be suprised that they're terrified to see this idiot walst into their studio and speak so kindly of communism.
Peter Conlon You sound terrified too.
You realise that Communism killed over 100 million people right? It's a destructive ideology that should be consigned to the history books. If it ever took any kind of a hold here in Britain their would be a civil uprising against it and I'd happily join in.
PhoenixReborn60 did you listen to any thing she said?
Yes I did, she is trying to make communism palatable (luxury communism, trying asking the victims of communism how luxurious they found it) to the masses when in reality it is a destructive and dangerous ideology that shouldn't have any place in the modern world. It is an fantasy ideology that isn't based on human nature and ignores history.
The guy is the only one who said anything reasonable
Yeh I agree. I was pleased to see someone not motivated by ideology take a balanced approach.
tbf the three old women are just ganging up on ash the whole time not really letting her explain herself
Liz from Leeds was truly awful. It's scary to think she has the vote.
It will never come back.. Those who are dreaming about it better wake up and accept the reality
my god, Carol was a broken record who refused to listen to Ash or anyone else’s point and jabbered the same talking points that were countered by the called and Ash
Sofia Smith they really havnt at all, all it goes to show is that ash and whoever called, are complete narcissistic ideologues that have litterally no idea what they're talking about.
Peter Conlon She rejects Stalinism + Maoism, and Marx would have disagreed completely with them, do not let American propaganda fool you
Personally, I like food
Yeah, me too. That's why it's so frustrating that the UK throws away 30% of it's food every day because it goes unsold. If only there was an economic system that allowed hungry people to eat that food without having to buy it...
And your point is?
@Andrea MENDENHALL as a former charity development worker, capitalist "charity" is obscenely ineffective. The most impactful form of giving is direct donations to those in need. Putting cash in people's hands does more to alleviate the pressures that drive poverty and houselessness than giving money to a charity that has to operate like a business in order to survive & provide services that might not reach the people who need it most.
@@m.l.d.6500 putting money in the hands of the homeless is a dangerous game, get real a vast amount of them have serious substance abuse issues and addiction; charities do everything but give them cash which is far safer and beneficial for them
I dont think any of them(besides ash) actually know what communism is, or have ever read a word of marx, lenin mao or literally any other communist writer(i know lenin and mao were also revolutionaries)
It’s significantly worse than fascism
Just another Cadillac communist who doesn't know the first thing about the working class whatsoever.
If we all wear Gucci this is no longer Gucci :))))))))) Gucci is Gucci because of capitalism...
for those who dont know, communism, in the 'real / correct' form is not legal in the UK. what you probably mean is socialism so stop talking about communism. if you want to see communism, look at north korea, vietnam, cuba and china (democratic peoples republic of china). thats what you want???
Dusan Veselka communism and socialism are essencially the same thing
you are absolutely right, but I did not mean socialism as government's control over the country such as in china, but rather government's intervention in the economy, leading to extensive welfare system such as in canada or scandinavian countries - free education, free health, free public transport, accessible housing...
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Oh my god these interviewers are literally the most uneducated and rude people I have ever heard. No understanding of History, or Societal Structures. Ash is amazing at communicating her points.
Communists have no understanding of history or societal structures much like you have no understanding of grammar.
Problem with communism is that it's essentially a utopian vision of the world. This is impossible as people are imperfect, those in power are prone to abusing it for their own benefit etc. This is why communism has always morphed into authoritarian states.
I value hearing Sarkar's opinions on issues whether I agree or disagree with her, but her worldview is fundamentally naive at best, downright dangerous at worst.
Communism you wait for bread.
Capitalism, bread waits for you!
If communism worked, we wouldn't need stoplights. THINK about it.
Girl made her name in capitalism but praises communism..nonsense
its impossible not to contribute to capitalism WHEN UR LITERALLY IN A CAPITALIST COUNTRY smh. Also she redistributes her wealth so..
@@bennyboom2800 that is called give away... that is also part of capitalism..i also doubt she redistributes anything...if she loves communism that much why doesnt she go to China to give it a go...
@@beatapanek
You critique communism without even knowing what it is... For most people Communism is just a scary word. Its clear you were just told that Communism is bad because people (most likely the education system/your family) told you it was. What makes a communist society a communist society is it being a moneyless, stateless, classless, society. That was never implemented anywhere. Each time a country works towards communism (for example the soviet union, Cuba, or Venezuela) several capitalist countries intervene, place sanctions, and destabilize the country. The soviet union for example faced interventions from over 14 different capitalist countries. If you're so confident communism will fail, why not let a country working towards communism draw breath without a capitalist country (or several in most cases) tampering with the process?
I love Ash!
Forward comrades!
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Down with communism
yes comrade
A sly answer to say it was a socialist and not a communist who nationalised the railway. She mean in Britain it was nationalised under a socialist government. The only reason it wasn’t nationalised under a communist gov was we didn’t have one. The railway in communist Russia was instantly nationalised, it wasn’t run by private enterprise :D
Declaring yourself a communist should carry the same weight as declaring yourself a Nazi.
"It's not communism it's socialism" 😂😂
that's true though
@@landonorris6 communism involves socialism. It’s a bit like a psychopath is always a narcissist, but a narcissist isn’t always a psychopath. Socialism isn’t always communism, but communism is always socialism. Workers own.
@@pommiebears
Communism - the ultimate goal of socialism, is a society that's decentralized, has common ownership, no government, no military or social classes.
Socialism is when a central authoritarian government, made up of a large representation of the overall population listens to the masses and dictates the direct of the country according to their needs and wants, for example in the soviet union they had the supreme soviet, in china they have the national people's congress, and in the dprk they have the supreme people's assembly, they do this with a planned economy, little or no private property, little or none class divisions and less of a gap between the government and the people.
This congress has workers, businessmen, investors, economists, engineers, historians et cetera, people of high intelligence and knowledge.
This congress picks the party head, the central committee, everything.
So yes, socialism has an authoritarian government, of the proletariat, the people.
Communism doesn't, because of the fact that it has no government.
So no, you're wrong.
That woman ON THE PHONE DESTROYED HER, GO STUDY CAROLLLL
It's already here look at what's going on right now with the COVID nonsense
The title is misleading. Communism was never in power in the Uk. Therefore it could never make a comeback. small point, but true none the less.
Liz was the only person who made a clear point. I believe communism will never work but at least Liz made sense. And the no incentive guy.
Ash tried, but SOMEBODY wouldn’t let her
History will look kindly on Ash and her pragmatic fair thoughts.
Go Ash :)
And yet the ideology she espouses has a track record of leaving millions of corpses. Yeah, go, Ash.
No, it will laugh at her nativity and blatant ignorance.
@@joelmanning249 You are biased to blame all that killing to communism.You sound like as if killings don't exist until the emergence of communism.
@@joelmanning249 Sorry, how many has capitalism left dead? Why people use this argument is beyond me when capitalism is exponentially more violent and devastating for communities and to peoples lives and livelihoods.
People are dying under Capitalism though (I'm not saying communism is the answer) however Capitalism basically only cares about profit over human life. So it's not the answer either. We could do better under a mixed economy. Most of all they could have had a discussion about this, It would have been interesting to hear what Ash had to say, people just talking over each other is a huge part of the whole world's problem.
I don’t know what’s worst , TV formulas or communism 😂😂😂
worse*
Communism doesn't kill people, autocratic dictators do.
I love how Ash literally has a multi-disciplined career centred around education of politics, and has a far better understanding of the subject than those trying to argue against it. Stick to the heavyweight conversations with Katie Price. 'Cos in capitalism, you get paid what you're worth... right?
"where is my incentive to become a neurosurgeon in communism?" - well, in capitalism, you're a pundit on a daytime talk show. Clearly, the incentive is lacking in capitalism also. You can't buy deep rooted passion. You can get paid for it, but it has to exist, absent of financial reward.
I wonder, amidst the hand wringing about the "100 million dead under communism", they're really that sad that so many communists died. What if they hadn't? Would we be living under a stalinist (not communist) regime now? Where would the stick used to shut down conversation go?
What if pink unicorns existed? They don't. And communism is responsible for at least 100 million deaths directly and the suppression of hundreds of a millions if not billions more over the past century in a direct effort.
@@LouSaydus For fucks sake! Stalin wasn't a communist.
Never. It always ends up in a brutal dictatorship.
How do you allocate scarcity effectively in a communist system?
People are motivated by wanting to be usefully, by helping others(charity feels best for the person who gives). People should have the right to do what moves their hearts and they only can have that freedom in communism, where we are not competing for our lives but collaborating instead.
I would never vote communism
“Parts of the world where communism has worked” name one ash…
@Yash Utber lol Cuba never worked
@Yash Utber no the USSR was fucked from the start
@Yash Utber no they weren’t
@Yash Utber Fidel Castro killed 4,000 people and to this very day there are massive protests in order to get rid of communism in cuba
@Yash Utber america was right to place sanctions on Cuba, because from the very start the Cuban communists were inviting in soviet diplomats and warming up to the USSR
"Stalin was a counter-revolutionary totalitarian dictator." Yes! Excellent definition of that particular opportunistic and murderous gangster.
A communist.
If the government took my property and labor.......well, let’s just say they wouldn’t live very long
Ooh you're hard.
rango chain not really, I’m from Doylestown
You'd get killed by the government
SinnedNogara you’re probably right but it’s still better than being a slave.
@@zachhauben426 Exactly. Only the capitalist class gets to take other people's property and labour. That's not something for democratically elected governments.