Owen Jones meets Ash Sarkar | Is communism 'literally' back?
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- Ash Sarkar went viral after a heated exchange with Piers Morgan led her to blurt out "I'm a communist you idiot". Thanks to "comrade Piers" she has since been interviewed by Teen Vogue and she is selling t-shirts. But what does it mean to be a communist in 2018 and can it ever be distanced from the horrors of Mao and Stalin?
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Two privilege class kids who never had to go hungry complaining about the system that put them on TV and made them careers.
Elana Vital Well I recognise Owen but I don't know who this dumb fucking bitch is
Like when Katie Hopkins complains about the BBC? Who put her on TV and made her career.
Because they found a relative amount of success they can't acknowledge problems that clearly effect many others? I mean they literally mentioned the statistics in the piece.
Yeah, fuck all those poor people that didn’t make it. These guys did, why should they care about anyone else. Great point Elana, you intellect you.
Jonathan Henly She was military for years. She made her own way.
I love hearing about communism from a rich child.
watch the fekin video you torynonce
so? you can still abide by communist ideology despite your wealth, you don’t know what they do with their wealth
Jude Berry "Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it."
@@designanddirection lol
@@designanddirection Communism is by the rich for the rich
Owen Jones looks like he needs to concentrate really hard to stay alive
Haha. Yeh i noticed that too. Ok Owen remember to keep breathing. In, out, in.... whats next? Oh yeh out out!!!
@@dougburr4192 haha yesss go Cartman😂😁
He has Aids
If he stops concentrating, he stops breathing.
i laughed so hard at that.
These two are so made for each other...
🤮🤮
he be a lucky man then
Two weasels then? Yep, definitely
@@leopoldbird9724 Facts
Yeah in North Korea
"Communism is back baby" because someone told Piers Morgan she's a communist?
Oh.
Well that's not very good, is it?
Yup, someone made a fool of themselves on TV, now gulags. Riiight :')
To be fair, he looked as if he didn't believe anything she said...
"Obama's Not My Hero, I'm A Communist You Idiot!" - Someone (specifically Ash Sarkar) to Piers Morgan in an interview on Good Morning Britain (2018)
intboom, yes we already know and have concluded she is literally an idiot...
Excellent! Carry on Citizen (drives off on Lawmaster)
the power to organise their lives as individuals?? hahaha
lol individualism is the antithesis of communism!
WITHOUT BEING MANAGED BY THE STATE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHJFLFMWNDHXKS
Don't forget 'without being managed by a state'.
Mobeek Lol I know.
Yes, she wants a society where workers democratically run their own workplaces rather than being ordered around by either a boss, as in Capitalism, or a state, as in Stalinism etc. Look up anarcho-communism, it's a thing.
With all due respect they are both incredibly privileged and bourgeois and have no idea about how 80% of the rest of the world lives
They shouldn’t have any respect
They clearly do, since they care about changing it.
@@aarishowton8037 really? What do they actually do apart from make a few videos ? Do they donate money (which both have plenty of) ...
@@daverobertson623 Making ‘a few videos’ that indicate you care about changing the world shows that you do know how 80% of the rest of the world lives. That’s all you need to do to show that. What do you do?
As for if they donate money, I’ve no idea- I don’t even know if they DO have plenty of money, so of course I don’t know their donation history.
@@daverobertson623 Why do the people who know we need change - which we very clearly do - get attacked but the idea that we need change is left unchallenged?
THEY can't personally solve this by donating x or y. We need systemic change. Philanthropy isn't going to save us.
Almost double dislikes to likes ....... So much for communism being back....pmsl.
Maybe next time he might try interviewing a communist who knows what communism is.
Gary Orsum i loved your rebuttle video of these two. Keep up the good work!
55k views, only 3k people bothered to like or dislike... Hardly scientific mate lol
Loundsify Ratios.
Loundsify if youre going to be scientific you forgot to add the comments (1.8k) aswell. And if 55k watched this and had no comment or like or dislike it would imply they didnt care enough, so owens claim communism or socialism is booming in the uk is given a large portion who watched this vid didnt leave a like/dislike/comment is false. Also should we discount polls on opinion because thats based on a small number of people not the whole population even caring to give their opinion? Should we count all the no votes at an election and if its higher than those who vote we should disband government?
Doodle Bug what if I told you austerity caused brexit?
Communism is great if you don't mind the piles of corpses.
"Authoritarianism". Communism and capitalism both produce piles of corpses if you allow it to become authoritarian. What we want is democracy, then a suitable mixture of capitalism and communism can be slowly arrived at. People would be able to acquire capital, but there would still be some domains designated as a commons. Anytime a community shares ownership of an asset, like a village wind turbine project you can call that a form communism...SCARY!
I knew before clicking to view the comments of this thread that the first response would essentially boil down to "not true communism!" and I was right.
Until run out of someone else's money
RichardsVideosWoohoo Where are the numbers of the dead in relation to Communism? Yeah, I think my family and I will be better off as poor working-class, thank you very much.
Your fucking dumb
"Mao and Stalin are were terrible murdering dictatorships who presided over totalitarian dystopian ..."
"my mom met Mao"
Well, I'm convinced.
what did he do to her mom, she mumbled off the end of her story..
Chuck Rawld,
He farted at her.
She seemed so excited!
Mao sent the end of her sentence to a gulag
@@schrodingersferret4092 Typical socialist name dropper.
She contradicted herself in the very first sentence. Absolutely brilliant.
@@evan2173 Watch the fucking video, you lazy minded leftard...
I'm sorry but don't your understand that the only way to be free of state interference is to abolish property rights so the state can redistribute the wealth?
@A ZC What is your point?
@A ZC Oh I see now. I wasn't being serious I was just reiterating what she had said.
A ZC It is redistributed to workers fool
"Communism's all the rage" ...He should come to Derbyshire and meet a few local builders. They're not keen.
'Real Fascism has never been tried' - see how easy it is?
Ok then give me the definition fascism? Or did you actually think you made a point
marxs ideal of communism has never happened. yeah theres a few hippy places where micro societys have flourished but as soon as you start reading the ideology you soon realise its never been actualised. a communist country is an oxymoron.
Laughable. Every single member of my family has lived under communism and suffered it for decades. The notion that you can establish a system whereby everyone would be "working for the common good" is nonsense. Communism is a state run Capitalism where you as a person have no say. You are forced to work in state run establishments and are forced to join Unions. If you disagree with them, you will be persecuted and punished. If you really want to interview people who know about Commism, do contact me. I'll introduce you to my family.
Definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
you said it yourself, thats state run capitalism, the polar opposite of communism...
No it is not. Communism is exactly that: State run capitalism. Those running the state reap the benefits, while those working 'for the commmon good' are poort and disadvantaged in all senses.
I totally agree, too many people suffered from communism and I believe she is truly an ignorant with a posh accent. Communism doesn't allow people to be individuals nor freedom of thought or religion or any form of expression.
But it wasn`t REAL communism, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This aged beautifully.
How exactly?
It really did :,)
@@hueyfreeman1983 because the Guardian fired him.
Unlike vulnerable elderly people who can’t afford their heating bills...
Or the 3 million children who are living in food poverty in the UK
Whenever I have a bad day, no matter how bad it is, at least I can always think, "At least I'm not Owen Jones."
I'll second that. You should make some stickers.... "At least I'm not Owen Jones."
What, you think, "at least I'm not handsome, clever, articulate, talented, idealistic and famous"? It's true, you're right, you're none of those things. Congratulations! :)
Best comment on here.
I'll go with that one 👍
I was born in Poland in 1982 during the communist times and I learnt what starvation feels at the very young age. As a young millennial I moved to England in 2004 right after Poland joined EU, now I own well prospering business, 3 properties and more through the hard work. When I watch people like those in the video I lose my faith in humanity...
So, you are part of the petty bourgeois class that benefits from capitalist regimes... Of course you like capitalism. In fact, there's nothing actually wrong with that. Just know that the working class outnumbers the bourgeois class and that their best economic interest, _thanks precisely to none other than capitalism itself alienating them,_ is opposite yours and lies in abolishing capitalism for good.
No system is perfect, our current systems are working and self-correcting much better than Communism...
*my understatement of the year btw.
Lol Brendan, Lazy bastards outnumber the hard working people more accurately.
At least Eller Ellerek has a brain. I have some hope.
When they see this comment, just know that they will call you all the "polacks" under the sun and will sound no different from the average, unread Ukipper. Nothing irks a socialist, especially a white one than those they claim to advocate on behalf of showing them that they are not mere abstracts in their minds , but fully dimensional human beings.
A bit like the presumptive white female "anti racist" who always manages, somehow to put Black men at the top of the "victim ladder" not acknowledging gynophobia happens upon Black women , too. The only thing that can knock said black man off of the top of said victim ladder is if they show themselves to have a functional sentimental life that doesn't involve white women. You'd be surprised how many black men have had to fight racism from these types who are always surprised when they bring a black woman "to the party."
That's why I will ALWAYS appreciate White so called working class out the neck racism to middle class , Lefty, liberal paternalism. The Paternalism always comes with unsaid racist/classist caveats...ALWAYS. Just like the Salvation Army, apparently palliative, wouldn't offer help until one "turned to The Lord" .
And anybody of a certain age knows that 'Queuing for cabbage and dry bread" is a narrative wherever Communism lays wrought. Damn that may be one of the reasons that Central and Eastern Europeans don't generally fanny about with the "anti tacky" Northern European./ Northern European aspiring middle class usually tertiary educated "lets; self present as badly as possible sand still have the nerve to think that we know what's best for you" classist and no doubt racist narrative. You've suffered enough and know the healing powers of a bit of "shine".
They would never step to Black people so flagrantly with this narrative which they always starts itself in a "anti southern European mores" type of way. Even as they claim to hate their own culture.
Communism needs to be treated like Nazism leave them both in the past
ryan breheny no they wasn’t.
idiots
Firstly, socialism isn't about dictatorship you fool. Secondly, did you not read my comment properly? I didn't state that I am a socialist.
Nazi Germany was allied with them - invaded Poland together. The communist French resistance didn't resist the Nazi occupiers until Hitler invaded USSR.
Nazis were not socialist. Lazy thinking. It is true that before Hitler they were economically fairly socialist (but not internationalist Marxist). Hitler changed the focus to race.
If you're wondering why the Labour party are doing so poorly at the moment, here's your answer.
nothing to do with the leadership, nope, nothing to do with that... the huge loss in support is Corbyn, the man who's not currently leader
You have no idea how badly this aged, buddy.
If you are wondering why the Tories are doing so poorly, I'll give you the answer.
She dodged the question about Mao and Stalin
It was a dumb question. Both men have their achievements and flaws but the people within both China and Russia hold admiration and respect for each respective statesmen.
@@everythingintheuniverse8962 'flaws' lol. What a insane understatement. Both were tyrannical murderous despots with the blood of millions on their hands.
@@gooser2583 not true at all... nice knee jerk reaction.
@@everythingintheuniverse8962The flaw of 20-30 million killed by Stalin? Do you realize what your saying. Why can’t we admire the German leader from ww2 in that case? His numbers of killed are actually much lower.
I thought Owen Jones was a Socialist? Oh wait, 'his grandfather was involved with the Communist Party and his parents met as members of the Trotskyist Militant group.' (see wiki). I see, so I'm now getting the impression he's using this socialist label as it's more socially/politically acceptable as a means to hide his true intentions.
That SriLankanGuy mate, Wikipedia provided links to the source, which came from an interview with Jones himself. Just look it up on wiki yourself, don't be lazy.
Well, if it isn't you can edit to put it right. What other source of information lets you do that?
It is perfectly permissible to have different views to those espoused by your parents and grandparents. But even if he does share those views, what is wrong with the word socialist? He is entitled to use his own labels to describe himself, he doesn't have to use yours. As for his intentions, a more caring society seems to be his primary aim. If that offends you, I'm sure he won't shed too many tears about it.
J K I don't think he 'merely wants to spend more money on welfare'. Even you must see that this is a gross simplification. Do you 'merely want to spend more money on weapons'? Or is your political landscape a bit more nuanced than that? I hope so. You might disagree with Owen Jones on a number of issues, but you are doing yourself a disservice if you imagine that anyone's political ambition is merely to spend money.
He is a con artist. He wants to totally change the UK but acts like a right-on I'm fighting for the weak in society. I remember when he brought out 'Chavs' but has likely barely met any in his life. It was never a demonisation of working class people, it was term coined by working class people to describe a sub-set of working class people who are problematic in their communities.
A communist with false finger nails? I don't think so.
They'd sure break easily under a commissar's boot
All the better to work 15 hour days in the field for the glory of the State, comrade.
Do you think her acrylic nail technician is a communist too? Or merely fled from a communist country.
A communist with any finger nails? I don’t think so.
Paul Harris She's not *in* a fully socialized country. She doesn't have a clue.
Yeah see you've completely missed the point. Try listening again. She's actually talking about working less and a more equal distribution of wealth. NOT gulags, and 5 year tractor plans, quite the opposite of Alexsei Grigoryevich Stakhanov.
Hey Owen, one more: making money from ads on TH-cam is very Capitalist, you should not do that!!!
@@alicec1533 or they could, you know, not even use youtube
@@50ULL355 You have to engage in capitalistic practices to spread anti-capitalist ideas online. It's just a fact, and its not hypocritical. Perhaps contest the content of their ideas rather than the way they are spread?
@@alicec1533 it's textbook hypocrisy, and it is a fact. They've got more than enough cash to start a crowd funded platform for the spread of their ideology. Let's leave that aside, communism is an ideology that demands the complete overthrow of the current established systems, which are thousands of times better than any other system of government ever, in favour of handing complete control of industry, labour and power to the state (under the thinly disguised veil of serving the people). Capitalism MAY have created powerful and greedy corporations, but these corporations provide comfortable salaries to millions of people the world over. communism simply replaces corporations with the state, which is infinitely more dangerous-the obvious danger being that unlike corporations, the state controls the army too. It's the perfect breeding ground for authoritarian govt, and historical examinations of the rise of the Soviet union and Mao's china provide proof of this.
bruh nothing is wrong with making money tf is with you fucks
@@alicec1533 perhaps they should request to have there channels totally demonized and advert free as to keep in line with the dogshit philosophies they espouse.... just an idea.
"My mum met Mao, her dad was a diplomat" Ahh yes, it's all making sense now.
Just proves how middle class she really is.
2:32
What property does she live in? Or do her parents own that she’s so prepared to relinquish?
Interesting to question things but this is not realistic and she has led a privileged life by the sounds of it without realising how ‘ my dad was a diplomat’ and my mum met chairman Mao might sound to the ordinary person.....
@@mannahnation5340 So because you have nice things you cant criticize capitalism? Sounds like the iPhone argument to me.
@@spongebota.i.selfawarepant4780 that’s not what I said. I just struggle to believe her stance
if you’ve never had to struggle it’s easy to make such bold statements.
Mostly I like listening to her but this didn’t feel authentic
Communism is the complete opposite of people power!!! Communism is about the state having total control over people’s lives.
You don't read much do you?
"Communism is back, baby!" says little Owen, who probably lives in a seven-figure pad and has never lived under, let's say, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, the GDR or the Kim regime...
watch the fekin video you torynonce
You don't understand. You don't know the difference between soviet communism, a totalitarian dictatorship etc and democratic socialism or is the one right-wing anticommunism fanatic
I’ve heard more sensible discussion from the guy who talks to himself on the bus.
ooooh yeah
folks
Yes.
If this wasn’t from the Guardian I’d say it was satire
🤣
"Communism...Boo"
The way Owen Jones presents this video is almost like CBBC levels of discourse. It's like he is grooming kids into socialism/communism.
"Here's some Communism I made earlier. Do you know why everyone is looking so sad and hungry? Yes that's right children... it's those naughty capitalists that didn't let us spread our love and togetherness".
nitelite78 When you look at the ill educated, ignorant and just plain stupid comments in the comments section you will see that a CBBC approach is much needed.
+123paul - Do you mean the comments in favour of Communism or those against it?
Well he does work for the guardian
I P freely. If only your spelling error had been deliberate that might have been mildly amusing, although horribly outdated. Plainly it was not. Shame.
123paul well my spelling might be poor but my ability to recognise poor ideology is spot on so I can live with that
I thought Owen doesn't engage with racists
@Y Y marxista are fantástico?
For what reason?
@SAnd PaPer "your mind isn't strong enough" weak attempt at an insult but it doesn't make sense his mind doesn't have to be strong to comprehend your way of writing
I've crossed mountains, swam icy cold rivers, been cut to shreds on barbed wire to escape the clutches of free market capitalism, said no one ever.
Literally Guatemalans and Hondurans...
@@geekers8644 high crime is their problem, not Capitalism
@@Dagoth_Ur_1 I wonder what causes crime? poverty? I wonder why Guatemala and honduras are still poor? Maybe it has to do something with American companies like Dole, Chiquita, United Fruit Company, Del Monte? Or the American coup in the 50s?
Acting like wage slavery is any different
@@Basedlocation maybe not but at least you have a choice. You can't argue with the barrel of a gun.
"Can we dissociate fascism from the horrors of the 20th century?" u wht mate.
What a load of utter BS! South Africa is the latest country that wants to apply this dooming ideology with their land expropriation without compensation act, feel free to follow what will happens there in the coming years as the newest example with multiple reasons why this can’t and never will work.
did y'all know george orwell was actually a socialist?
you sure about that?
@@toddpick8007 yup
@@drug_planet Again i think youre confusing "democratic socialism" aka Regulatory Capitalism with Marxist Socialism. Orwell was actually a fairly outspoken person regarding his anti Socialism agenda
You think democratic socialism is a form of capitalism and you call me confused?
@@toddpick8007 do a tiny bit of research and you will see he fought against the fascists in the spanish civil war.
He was so in favor of socialism he traveled to another country and put his life on the line for it.
Just Imagine the opening bit and exchange Communism with Nazism. "Nazism, BOO. That's supposed to be a big scary word, which is associated with the horrors of Hitler and the KZ's, but Nazism is back, baby. [.....] What is Nazism, can we actually disassociate it from the horrors of the 20th century? And what about the horrors of capitalism as well." Maybe you can see now whats wrong with your Video.
The transatlantic slave trade wasnt capitalism, it was colonialism and feudalism. Capitalism came after and is what created an environment in the West that allowed people be wealthy independent of chatel slavery and to therefore give good people the opportunity and means to abolish it. The North was a capitalist group of states that pioneered industrialization, mechanical advances and abolitionist thought. This made them leaps and bounds more wealthy than much of the American South. In the south the slave owners used government power to subsidize southern tobacco, cotton, sugar and other commodities. They couldn't compete with the North without big government intervention (Fyi southern slave owners were by and large Democrats) no institutional slavery can exist without government support.
Benjamin Dennis, the problem is that people who are pro-capitalism will tend to exclude anything nasty from capitalism while they will freely associate anything bad with socialism or communism. Capitalist theory does not suggest that people should be colonized and exploited, but it often end up that way. Likewise Communism does not really promote oppressive genocidal dictatorship, but it happens to often have happened.
You cannot just cherry pick the nice things like for your favorite ideology while unloading all the stuff you dislike on the ideologies you don't like.
There is this false belief that being a capitalist, democrat state somehow makes you automatically nice and civilized. Yet we know such states have engaged in unspeakable horrors. When Britain colonized and exploited almost the whole world they were not an oppressive communist dictatorship. Likewise when the US eradicated most of the native population and enslaved blacks, it was supposedly a shining beacon of democracy and freedom in the world.
There is this false belief that only evil things happen within a socialist context. Quite the contrary, I would say the combination of socialism and democracy has been the most humane experience. Socialists have been in power for decades in Nordic countries without ever instituting a despotic dictatorship, enslaving people, colonizing or engaging in genocide.
Now they never actually made a socialist state in any Nordic country, but that is not my point. My point is that merely being a socialist, does not make you a tyrant. Why not accept that good and evil may exist within any economic or political system.
It is however my claim that free wheeling capitalism will eventually lead to misery in some form. Either it will spark a violent communist revolution, turn into crony capitalism or fascism. Free wheeling capitalism are not stable societies. At some point inequality grows to levels where society collapse onto itself or survive through oppression and exploitation.
If I had 1 million Kulaks for every time some posh student with a rudimentary understand of Marx and virtually no life experience thought they could figure out the world's problems with authoritarian equality of outcome....
Is that the same ash that said,
“The great replacement is a load of rubbish” & then the same ash that said “yes we’re outbreeding white people….. yes lads were winning?” Yeah it’s the same ash.64
@The voice of... tell that to ash she’s the one that gleefully believes white people should be bred out of existence? Also I’m not saying I believe it, I’m saying SHE does, she hates white people.64
1:01; that first sentence literally is the complete opposite of Communism.
What have you read about Communism? That is literally a summary of the Communist Manifesto. I think you are inflating 'socialism', presumably a definition that fits into state capitalism, with communism. I don't agree with the details of her communism anyway, as I'd refer to myself as a socialist, while she strikes me more as an anarchist. But you are wrong buddy, her definition could require finesse but it's not technically wrong.
So what is communism
21st century communism is pushed to the public via media platforms by middle class elites like these two, and telling young people that communism just hasn't been implemented correctly and that its always someone else's actions that caused it to fail. communism doesn't care about working class's people. It only serves the elites in the party, and keeps the workers poor or worse. Id love to see Owen come on here and interview self proclaimed fascists. As far as I'm concerned he is sympathetic to communism and its followers. He has a double standard of far left and far right politics. On the one hand saying fascism is all about murdering millions of people and keep white people at the top of the social heirachy and was perfectly shown in Germany and Italy. But when asked about the mass murders and corruption of communist regimes. He defends the ideology that caused them atrocities and gives it a open platform to people like us saying that it just wasn't done right. People should never embrace fascism and should equally never embrace communism both lead to the worst of humanity. Learn from the past.
Okay so private property is a barrier to people organizing their lives as individuals... Would it not be a barrier to your life if other people were allowed to just take your stuff?
That's not what private property means in this context. In the Marxist sense, private property is referring to Capital goods and property, so farmland, factories, power plants, mineral ores etc. would not be privately owned to prevent one individual from monopolising and solely profiting off of these means of production. You would still keep your house and car and all the other stuff we consider 'personal property'. It's confusing terminology, I know.
you obviously do not know the difference between private and personal property. maybe learn what communism is before trying to critique it next time.
But its wrong from the very start, because you can sell your goods if you want, then, you are capitalizing it
Isn't communism basically socialism minus democracy and freedom?
I believe it's socialism minus a state/borders
Jack Tanner It's basically this. Socialism is an umbrella term for different non-currency based economic systems(communism, anarcho-communism, Marxism, neo-marxism). Capitalism is a currently based systems where wealth can be exchanged to a greater or lesser degree in different forms(free-market, liassez-faire, social democracy). When people use the word 'Socialist' they often mean they advocate for social democracy like Norway, which is actually a heavily taxed form of capitalism.
WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT THE FREEDOM TO STARVE IN A GUTTER?!
Socialism is the transitional phase towards communism, where the state is used to repress opposition and manage the economy
Nope.
Free from the tyranny of the state? Communism is the tyranny of the state!
2 highly dislikable human beings
That's your opinion
So Owen if 200+ Million lives massacred worldwide isn't enough to prove that socialism and communism doesn't work and centralises too much power. Can I ask how many deaths do you find acceptable? 400 Million?? maybe.
The Columbo Pause 200+ million lives are you gonna source that or is this number just coming out of your ass
Okay then so when every communist society in history has rapidly descended into a corrupt murderous dictatorship/oligarchy which caused 200 million dead. How many attempts do you find acceptable before you accept that it centralizes too much power?
When rich middle class educated london based people try and pretend socialism isnt just plain evil is one of many reasons why the left is dead. UKIP for life my dudes.
Gary Dufton You know Farage is a privately educated ex stock broker, right? 😂
Ste Bear The point is clearly, these people have benefited from capitalism - _-
The fact they are rich or middle class isn't the issue
So Aaron Banks and Farage are not rich international elite eh? They just want footsoldiers to defend their low tax havens to lord it up.
Ste Bear Oh noooo! Is he really?!
I guess this UKIP voter will just have to abandon all the communist views he didn't have.
What does Farage have to do with what the OP said? Farage isn't the one promoting communism, he's a democratic capitalist and has seen success from it. Communism has never had any form of success, the vast majority of people forced into it have suffered immensely.
She's worse than I thought
Approximately 250 million people killed by communism, the Nazi's killed approximately 20 million. Which one is a bigger threat Owen?
Seeing all the dislikes gives me a little hope for the future.
gives me a lot of hope that communism will never set foot in the UK
3:28 Slavery isn't unique to Capitalism, also Capitalist countries were the first countries to end slavery.
Yeah because people protested against slavery. It was the people who forced these governments to stop slavery. Without the people protesting we would still have dlavery.
Slavery isn’t unique to capitalism, it just continues under capitalism.
@@angelgfromcorkerii8797 where?
can any one actually figure out what Ash is going on about?
No. No we can't.
@@daverobertson623 She pretty much made everything clear to anyone with simple comprehension skills
Yes. Very clearly.
@@george4281 ahh diddums ... Ash has a fan
Basically, she is a person of limited intellectual horsepower with little life experience trying to sound clever by using plenty of socialist jargon. It is a pity she doesn't understand real world economics or history.
Two muppets on one screen
thats insulting to muppets.
y r u here then bae
@@samarativona9404maybe he likes laughing at muppets.
Both oxygen thieves
Wow - such a shallow discussion. It was literally nothing more than a plug for merch.
Communism and ill-informed children ~ how entertaining.
My problem with communism is that historically it hasn't worked and I don't think it ever will work without state coercion.
Provide evidence.
"Socialism is the Axe body spray of political ideologies. It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway."
henceforth I shall be stealing this analogy with impunity
@@MB-st7be That's only fitting as I stole it from someone else.
@@tamer1773 the circle of life
Socialism is the Lynx Africa mate: everyone wants it
"Communism is a belief in the power of people to organise their lives as individuals without being managed by the state" ????
Evidently Ash has no idea about communism - she sounds like a libertarian to me.
"libertarian" was coined to describe leftist socialists and communists in the late 19th century. so was "anarchist". look up bakunin and kropotkin for examples of anarchist communists.
The biggest irony, is the fact that those words also describe free-marketeer capitalist lol.
She is right. Marx described communism as the association of free individuals.
Right wing libertarianism have no real analysis of anything inhibiting your personal freedom except for the state wich of course makes them unable to ever reach a free society.
Silly entitled Children
What if I don't want to participate in her Anarcho-communist society? Do I still get my free food, clothes, housing, electricity, internet, Android, and PS4? If I refuse to contribute, will a mob come by force to take me away and put me in a labor camp, like that of any other historical communist state? That, by the narrowest of definitions, is still the ultimate in forceful control of the individual. If there is no force, then there's nothing to stop anyone from following their own basic human self interest by becoming a taker instead of producer. This would inevitably spiral into massive homelessness and massive starvation. Communism by any other name is still communism, and it always has a bad ending.
Owen Jones hes a horrible little guy
When upper middle class kids talk about how great communism is even tho they had mom and Daddy to pay for everything so far.
I am all for a living wage, social housing, free education and healthcare, better working rights, stopping climate change, progressive taxation. But not having private property, is a step to far for me.
Why?
@@rougeclips9438 private property is the basis for individual freedom
@@hanj31How so? Personal property and private property are not the same.
@@CompletelyBlankPage yes it is.
@@CompletelyBlankPageWhat's the actual difference? If you're going to say "Private property is used for profit, personal property is used for survival" then hotels shouldn't exists.
That first definition of communism she gives is 'literally' the opposite of communism. It's 'literally' a western-style capitalist libertarian democracy she's describing...
Marx literally defined communism as stateless
I don't think she understands what communism is. There is absolutely no individuality under communism.
I have an idea. Let's suppress anyone who disagrees with us.
fefi the tolerant left for you
I can’t believe people are still talking like this. This is the kind of discussion we had as students 30 years ago. Not exactly progressive.
They might be wrong, but the facts speak for themselves. They're only responding in a haphazard way to the grotesque failings of increasingly deregulated capitalism today, the effects of which are astonishing. Here were are in an environmental crisis that could destroy our civilization, and out-of-control capitalism is responsible for most of it. What kind of legacy is that?
Riches vs. malnutrition in a country that plundered India for 150 years for its own massive profit. ($45 trillion?) And most of the wealth went right to the top anyway. As with the USA - Americans who can't see that they got an entire continent for free. And btw, blame the poor for their lot.
@@squamish4244 How would Socialism prevent Climate change?
Theyve been infantilised by thier coddled careers
@@yorkshiremgtow1773 Overproduction and overconsumption of goods; commodification of almost everything; lobbying for the continued usage of oil, gas, etc.; car lobby which heavily priotized car-based infrastructure and profit incentives to ignore the enviroment in general. These things would be something which socialism(which is an extremely broad term) would most likely solve.
@@dalfokane In Capitalism, what incentive is there to overproduce?
Where's a semi-truck when you need it?
Wow. The amount of commenters who:
a: Don't know what Communism actually is, and:
b: Didn't watch the full video.
Communism is a way of getting rid of rich people and making everyone poor.
Thanks for proving my point.
A. I know what communism is.
B. I watched the whole video
C. These 2 are middle class, naive and live in a metropolitan London bubble.
@@BENTWOONEZERO"Ive watched rightwingers say communism=bad my whole life and i cannot think for myself"
@@daveruda Chill it with the broadbrushing and assumptions. There are plenty of people who think for themselves and come to the conclusion that capitalism is preferable to socialism or communism. Telling someone else why they believe something is an automatic loss. If you're trying to change minds with this comments, you flat out failed. In fact comments like these drive people away from the belief system you are presumably supporting. If you're just trying to get a jolt of moral superiority for calling other people dumb, you've probably succeeded.
I'm a leftist, but come on my dude. Stop making us look bad. I don't think communism or socialism have really fleshed out the whole model, at least not to the point where they are convincing to many people. Get your act together and flesh out your model more, calling people dumb just makes you feel good.
There's this idea that communism never worked, but it's false. How many non-communists were there in Soviet union, Mao's China or Pol Pot's Cambodia?
Exactly. They were all killed. It worked every time.
hello world meaning, they were saved from Utopia by killing the Utopian liars. It doesn't work.
Can't wait for Owen's next open-minded, reflective interview with a fascist.
Hahaha definitely. Owen is literally a walking vagina.
Objective truth: communists want freedom and best outcome for all humans, fascists want tyranny and ethnic cleansing.
Stephen Wood No. Communists want social cleansing, fascists want ethnic cleansing. Look up ‘Terrorism and Communism’ by Trotsky. Like facism, your blessed utopia can only be achieved by killing people that can’t or won’t get with the programme.
I'm a communist. You're literally saying that you know what I believe in more than I know myself!! But yeah you're right if by "social cleansing" you mean elimination of class and hierarchy? Elimination of poverty? Also what you're describing is merely a strategy of getting to communism - something that communists have a range of views on. Trotsky had a theory basically specific to a tyrannical semi-feudal state in the early 20th century...
Maduro's way to eliminate kid starvation was to forbid hospitals to file kids dying by starvation as "death by starvation". If that's a glimpse of your elimination of poverty, that's a hard pass from me.
Do one of the following: Either move to a socialist country and contribute to reach the utopia, or live happily in a communist community within a capitalist country, the only ones where you have the freedom to do so.
Champagne communists always think that they're going to be among the ruling elite when the glorious revolution finally arrives..
Communism is a great way to cripple future social and economic developement.
*looks at China expected to overtake #1 GDP in 2020*
You clearly didn't watch the vid, and are ignorant of current times. Lmao.
@@jakehix8132 Do you really think China is a communist nation? Lol
Anyone who opposes private property has the mind of an infant squirrel.
Bit harsh on infant squirrels there.
PraxeoLiberty I identify as a squirrel and that is offensive!
I P freely yeah but you're a grown up squirrel. I am actually very popular with the grown up squirrel community. Squirrels love me.
"Squirrels love me." You are contradicting yourself
private property is not personal property. you can keep your fucking funko pops under communism loser
The only people who seem to want communism are the people who have had a privileged background and never struggled.
I'm in my 20s but would honestly love to see the voting age raised to at least 30. I look around and realise my fellows are as clueless as she is.
you make me laugh komrade! now go to gulag. and your phone? no, no, it's OUR phone now! xaxaxaxa!
Ooh I’m looking forward to some of these comments 😂😂
Bloody capi fascists
It's fun to me that people will claim that Obama is a communist and similar stuff, and then when confronted with actual leftists they will say that communism has never worked. I'm sorry, didn't it work under Obama?
same
OsefKincaid lol no that why Trump came to power cuz Obama failed
OsefKincaid Claiming Obama is a communist is not the same as claiming he implemented communism.
Selling a t shirt that says I’m literally a communist is a painful irony
Correct!
Not if the maker of the shirt was the one who profited directly
@@onthewattle Yea, but that isn't a thing, so...
And that isn't a thing because it's in no way feasible for it to be a thing. The existence of manufacturers is contingent on profit. For t-shirt makers to be the only ones profiting they have to be sowing t-shirts by hand on their own.
Why?
How about we compare the amount of people who have been lifted out of poverty by capitalism vs communism.
One year later. Still Disgusted!!!!
Why are communists nowadays so.... Bourgeois?
They've almost always been posh people who pretend to love the working class, actually hating them and hating people richer and more successful than them.
Only communists that don't live in communist countries love communism. Just an observation 😂
Communism is the cause of 100 million deaths, at minimum.
Capitalism is the reason for living standards that are improving at an unprecedented rate everywhere in the world. And no, we can't separate it from the horrors of Stalinism, any more than we can separate Nazism from Hitler.
Her definition of communism is a lie. You cannot have communism without a state, because without a state there is no way for communism to be enforced. You would just have Anarchy...
Proof? Just think about it for a second, who stops you from having private property, who ensures that the wealth is distributed fairly? The state would, if there is no state to enforce equality then there would be no equality, people will naturally form hierarchy's. The only way to enforce communism is through the power of the state, otherwise people will naturally accrue more wealth and power than others.
And she thinks that communism would actually work without being managed by the State?
How naive...
Applying communism the fix capitalist issues: “I’m fat, so to loose extra weight I got a heroin addiction. “ Tadaaa
" communism is when heroin addiction " - Karl Marx , Das Kapital
Technically Owen you and Ash are just 1 1/2 Communists , as Ash's opinions and beliefs, being a female Muslims carry only half the weight of a man's
Owen Jones is pond life
Also "communism is the believe im the power of the people to organize their lives as individuals". The idiocy is unbearable
True mate. Doesn't she see that she's closer to defining the opposing ideology?
@@ralphdavidson9542 ? Lmfao
She literally flaunts her wealth over other consistently... Does she even know what communism entails?
No, see my comment above...
This screams privilege
And conservative right wing politics doesn’t? This is about decreasing inequality and providing people with the means for unrestricted self determination. I know who I side with.
@@kanenewman5517 are you serious? So how do you deal with the fact that people look out for themselves first before anyone else?
@@MD-uu5nt People react to the conditions they live in. We live in scarcity and competition. We have to be like that to survive in capitalism. But people adapt depending on their conditions and it doesn’t have to be that way.
@@MD-uu5nt of course people secure their needs first. But there is an outrageous emphasis on personal gain within a capitalist society. Numerous studies have shown that more material wealth does not make you happier or improve your mental health. It’s an illusion and your buying into it!
@@MD-uu5nt that's not exactly a "fact" though is it? you are just chatting nonsense
it's a fact that humans are one of the most altruistic species in the world and are able to care and help others even those that are less capable or fortunate than themselves
the fact we can care about many people is why communities formed which are the backbone of all societies including capitalist, individualistic ones
Please interview Jacob Rees-Mogg again so we can watch you get politely dismantled.
Oh yes do that. That would be hilarious. Given that JR-M is a drawling idiot - have you read the reviews for his badly researched, superfluous and universally panned book? - and these two are both brilliantly intelligent and would run rings round him. Yes, set it up. I'll open a canister of Pringles and laugh.
LOL!!!!
These two are doing fantastic work... for the conservatives
How is tory brittain working for you lol
The fact people are communist in 2018 is genuinely scary and I see myself as being on the left...
Social Democracy isn't sustainable
Then you will become more and more scared as the years go on. Personally, I would be more scared of the right wing gaining support
Connor Brady far right and far left gaining support is part of the same process, I wouldn't want to see neither return of fascism or communism. I mean what's the difference which political system kills you?
Red Law please educate me great political genius.
Why would them being scripted and memorised be worth mentioning?
Communism has nothing to do with being a part of or being apart from a state.
So she wants less state control AND less private ownership...
Exactly how is this utopia supposed to function? Who's controlling something if not the state or the individual?
people vote and the state is the mechanism of redistribution.
the workers
@@mrcrackdonald_1 How do I get a Lamborghini in communist utopia?
basically we all sit round a drum circle and discuss how wealth will be redistributed until literally everyone agrees and is happy. It's a flawless system.
McCarthyism is the main reason for the general view of socialism in America. Marxism= the feudal stage then the capitalist phase then the communist stage- this has never happened, Marxist Leninism is the feudal stage then the attempt of the socialist stage straight after - this failed -then Stalinism which is a mixture of nationalism and communist propaganda. This also failed.
"Ultimately, Communism must be defeated by progressive political programs which wipe out the poverty, misery, and discontent on which it thrives." - Robert Kennedy
What about China eh?
Better dead than red.
Interim. Show us please.
You want me to record me killing myself because I don't subscribe to the same ideology as you do? Yikes, you seem like a perfectly sane and well rounded individual.
You're very welcome to a spot against the wall when we fight to take power into the hands of ordinary people instead of the capitalist elite. Or you can just renounce this childishness and work with us to create a better world.
I refuse to believe that you're not a troll account lmao
Iain Cameron hahahaha you sad losers could not win a fight with someone not in a wheelchair! That's why antifa only pick fights with the elderly or disabled
Wow 6.4k thumbs down, no wonder he got the Spanish archer 😂
They’ll be middle class plastic university communists when they’re 60😂
communism is not 'literally' back because Ash is not a communist. she is a little child playing as a communist but what about her life style or actions is communist?