I am really disappointed to hear people talking about how bored they are with this talk. I don't think these people truly understand boredom. True boredom, is working really hard on implementing features like an rpc api for people who will never understand the work and dedication it took to deliver a feature like this for them. Then on top of that, these people cite his "low energy", to justify their positions. Which is basically an excuse to make fun of someone's physical speech ability (which he probably has no control over). When I listen to the talk, I am humbled that someone so skilled and talented, used his valuable time energy to make my life easier by providing me with such amazing software. I hope he does not take any of this to heart and understands that the majority of people that enjoy and appreciate his work do not spend their time writing youtube comments. These negative people are in the vast minority of neovim users and are overrepresented in the comments.
Amazing talk. Delighting to see how this particular great programmer deals with problems, and manages to deliver such elegant solutions because of that.
great talk! Been using neovim for many years, but didn't think there was much progress being made any more. Now I've got my hopes up again! Especially looking forward to tree-sitter integration - would be amazing to write plugins & color schemes that can leverage it.
Some time ago I've actually met Emacs users who switched to Neovim with this exact sentiment in mind, personally having never 'really' used emacs I cant I see much to back that up. heck we can't even create something like org-mode ( virtual indents, conceal, ... ) Mayby you and they see see something I dont, Would really like to hear what you have to say on the matter.
even at 1.5x speed, this was very difficult for me to focus on. but all in all, an interesting talk. not that it matters much, since i already use neovim.
Neovim is wonderful and the efforts of Mr Keyes are appreciated but holy hell was this a snoozer. I’m sorry friend, but you’d be better off doing ASMR or sleep hypnosis videos.
@@justinkz while I didn't love your talk, I do *greatly* admire your Neovim work. Decoupled UI, server mode, term_ui, lua, and etc. are heroic, and I agree strongly with your reasoning behind the overall direction. It would be awesome if you recorded another presentation using the same slides, less focus on vim/neovim politics and more on new and upcoming tech. Final note: self-abnegation is actually a bug not a feature. Part of your job is to build enthusiasm and confidence. It's good to have a deep leadership bench, but don't apologize for the unique talents that you bring.
@@justinkz I actually really liked the first half of the talk, although it might have been because a lot of those ideas where new to me. Even though they sounded quite reasonable to me (but who am I?) I think I would've found it equally interesting if they wouldn't have seemed reasonable to me because I think they would still provide interesting insights or at least a refreshing point of view. I also just like the somewhat less technical side and more philosophical (if you can call it that) side of thinking about computing. It seems important and interesting to me to stop and think about that side too. I'd like to hear or see more of you, maybe a little podcast about neovim or text editing would be cool. An example of a podcast which mixes technical topics and topics which have more of a philosophical flair is the Gnu World Order podcast of klaatu. There aren't a lot of podcast like that and I wouldn't mind seeing more!
@@starmountpictures Great feedback, thanks. Though the sermon is not "Vim politics", it's "OSS culture", intended to address pervasive low-effort mental models of how our tools should work.
@@smusic-vm1zd Thanks! The ideas are certainly not common: much discussion in OSS is completely devoid of leverage analysis, and very superficial ("start from scratch, the old thing is ugly").
I am really disappointed to hear people talking about how bored they are with this talk. I don't think these people truly understand boredom. True boredom, is working really hard on implementing features like an rpc api for people who will never understand the work and dedication it took to deliver a feature like this for them. Then on top of that, these people cite his "low energy", to justify their positions. Which is basically an excuse to make fun of someone's physical speech ability (which he probably has no control over). When I listen to the talk, I am humbled that someone so skilled and talented, used his valuable time energy to make my life easier by providing me with such amazing software. I hope he does not take any of this to heart and understands that the majority of people that enjoy and appreciate his work do not spend their time writing youtube comments. These negative people are in the vast minority of neovim users and are overrepresented in the comments.
Amazing talk. Super calm and deep, very rare and enjoyable. Thank you
Justin is just so philosophical about development and I absolutely love what he is talking about. He is the guy who is guiding the neovim development.
A really thoughtful and interesting talk!
If only we could hear it. But we'll take your word for it and/or activate CC subtitles.
This is a fantastic, thoughtful talk. I'd not heard of Justin Keyes before, but I'm glad I have, and glad he is involved with neovim.
justin neovim is amazing, thank you so much for the amazing work!!!
Amazing talk. Delighting to see how this particular great programmer deals with problems, and manages to deliver such elegant solutions because of that.
great talk! Been using neovim for many years, but didn't think there was much progress being made any more. Now I've got my hopes up again! Especially looking forward to tree-sitter integration - would be amazing to write plugins & color schemes that can leverage it.
his voice is reeeally nice
Cool talk also fantastic accidental ASMR
Interesting talk. Glad to see Neovim's reverence for Vim.
His way of speaking reminds me of the joker.
That aside, great talk!
thanks for the talk - u know what would be cool? actually watch ur development process with vim? how do u go about projects? (life hacking)
Thanks for your work sir!
Really good!
Emacs with evil mode is nice too.
loved it
Set to 1.5x for normal speed
It seems to me that Neovim is about turning Vim into an improved Emacs, at least with respect to extensibility (?)
Some time ago I've actually met Emacs users who switched to Neovim with this exact sentiment in mind,
personally having never 'really' used emacs I cant I see much to back that up. heck we can't even create something like org-mode ( virtual indents, conceal, ... )
Mayby you and they see see something I dont, Would really like to hear what you have to say on the matter.
Technically, you can even create a Spotify client for Neovim. It's just that these kinds of ideas are often not welcomed by the Neovim community
even at 1.5x speed, this was very difficult for me to focus on. but all in all, an interesting talk. not that it matters much, since i already use neovim.
Like a hair cut?
Trying to make Emacs 40 years in a late 😂
Neovim is wonderful and the efforts of Mr Keyes are appreciated but holy hell was this a snoozer. I’m sorry friend, but you’d be better off doing ASMR or sleep hypnosis videos.
crank the volume and 1.5x! woooo!
Preachy and low-energy
Fair enough, I agree. I'll work on the energy next time. The first "half" of the talk is, yes, a sermon backed by evidence.
@@justinkz while I didn't love your talk, I do *greatly* admire your Neovim work. Decoupled UI, server mode, term_ui, lua, and etc. are heroic, and I agree strongly with your reasoning behind the overall direction. It would be awesome if you recorded another presentation using the same slides, less focus on vim/neovim politics and more on new and upcoming tech. Final note: self-abnegation is actually a bug not a feature. Part of your job is to build enthusiasm and confidence. It's good to have a deep leadership bench, but don't apologize for the unique talents that you bring.
@@justinkz I actually really liked the first half of the talk, although it might have been because a lot of those ideas where new to me. Even though they sounded quite reasonable to me (but who am I?) I think I would've found it equally interesting if they wouldn't have seemed reasonable to me because I think they would still provide interesting insights or at least a refreshing point of view. I also just like the somewhat less technical side and more philosophical (if you can call it that) side of thinking about computing. It seems important and interesting to me to stop and think about that side too. I'd like to hear or see more of you, maybe a little podcast about neovim or text editing would be cool. An example of a podcast which mixes technical topics and topics which have more of a philosophical flair is the Gnu World Order podcast of klaatu. There aren't a lot of podcast like that and I wouldn't mind seeing more!
@@starmountpictures Great feedback, thanks. Though the sermon is not "Vim politics", it's "OSS culture", intended to address pervasive low-effort mental models of how our tools should work.
@@smusic-vm1zd Thanks! The ideas are certainly not common: much discussion in OSS is completely devoid of leverage analysis, and very superficial ("start from scratch, the old thing is ugly").
The lack of vocal energy makes this otherwise interesting talk extremely boring.