The X99 is the best bang for your buck platform on the planet. You can get near threadripper levels of performance, for next to nothing, with a dual CPU model ($150 max) and 2 14 core Xeons (that cost like $30 each CPU). They use a lot of power, but not enough to skyrocket your electric bill. Considering how popular fracking is in Pennsylvania, electricity is relatively cheap here, even under the trainwrecks that are currently in power in Harrisburg and Washington, DC. I have 2 X99's, one is a single CPU and the other is a dual CPU, that I'm still in the process of putting together. The single CPU build currently doubles as a Cybersecurity/IT homelab and a gaming PC. I absolutely LOVE my X99, they are the best budget platform you can use today, the levels of performance are staggering, especially when using a lightweight Linux distro. I use Arch btw! Lol. I use an RX590 GPU and can even play modern titles at low settings. The dual CPU build will have dual GPU's as well; I have a Titan Xp for a locall LLM and will be getting an RX6700xt for actually playing my games, and the only thing I have left to purchase is 128GB (maybe even 256GB, idk yet) of RAM. With looking glass, I can split my AMD GPU and play multiplayer games with my son on 2 monitors. The X99 is not just relevant, it's the smart choice, so long as you aren't looking for top of the line performance and 7,000 fps. If that's what you want, then no, but if you just want to play modern games at a steady 60fps (probably more, but I cap them there anyway) and have a powerful system for other stuff on the cheap, the X99 is the motherboard for you. That old Sandy Bridge architecture, on these 10+ year old Xeons, was so much better than people give it credit for. Hot swapable SSD's/HDD's, and being able to boot ANY Windows drive (that was installed on another PC) in a VM or bare metal, are definitely bonuses too.
14,000 points. Threadripper from what decade? That is like AMD 5700 level in Cinebench. A used AMD 3950X scores 22,000+. A 7950X - still not Threadripper - scores around 38,000. A 96 core Threadripper goes to 160,000+ points.
@@TechTusiast Probably talking about first / second generation threadrippers. X99 platform can slot in a better CPU than X399 (2699AV4). Sure you can get up to a 2975 and 2995 WX but those CPU's are frankly turds.
The E5-1650v3 on a Machinist X99 MB is the GOAT of budget gaming builds currently. Cheaper than building a 1600AF/2600 platform, performs the same in a gaming PC and has DDR4 and NVMe support. I know for sure the X99-PR9 and PR9-H support reBAR and XMP. Will run Windows 11 24H2. I bought a 1650v3 for $8.50 recently and you get a mostly new MB for about the same price of a used AM4 MB.
The real trick to these Z440 Workstations is to save about $30 bucks getting a Barebones system without CPU or RAM... Because not only are you always going to upgrade the CPU anyway; But also the prebuilts usually come with 2133 MHz RAM. When you upgrade to a Broadwell V4 CPU, you are going to want slightly faster 2400 MHz. So go with the Barebones and bring your own RAM. But no matter what you get, always make sure it has that higher 700 Watt PSU, unless you plan to run it as a headless server. There are dozens of other CPU choices that make sense, depending on whether you need more Cores, higher Base clock, or higher Turbo clocks. Some other good ones include: 2687W V4 (12c/24t) [3.0/3.5] 2697A V4 (16c/32t) [2.6/3.6] 2689 V4 (10c/20t) [3.1/3.8] 2696 V4 (22c/44t) [2.2/3.7] 2673 V4 (20c/20t) [2.3/3.6] (cores/threads) [Base/Turbo] A couple of these CPU's are OEM only and rare to find on eBay, but can be found on Aliexpress more readily. You can stick with Haswell V3 CPU's with slightly lower IPC and the slower RAM limitation... But they are capable of a Turbo Unlock BIOS mod that can overtake the gap, plus some. It's not for the faint of heart; So if you are uncomfortable flashing BIOS, just go with Broadwell V4.
@@DESARD12 150 Watts. These Xeons are Turbo limited by their hard-locked TDP cap... Which is why the Haswell V3 BIOS mods for Turbo Unlock usually include a slight undervolt... So they can hit all cores max Turbo and still stay under the TDP cap. Note the 2699P V4 (22c/44t) [3.0/3.6] with it's much higher Base clock, has a huge TDP limit of 300 Watts... But it is super rare OEM Amazon AWS server exclusive... I've never seen one in the wild.
@@DESARD12 any of those xeon has TONS of headroom as the stock vcore is super low at like 1.1V so i wouldnt be suprised if an unlocked one could be pushed beyond 4GHz to 4.5GHz allcore
I've been using a Z440 with 4x16GB RAM, E5-2690v4 (HT on) and a Radeon 6600XT as a gaming PC for the last two years. It's great except for those games that love single thread performance.
@@Markknightexeter It's not as bad as you think. Plenty of AAA titles can max out my 6600XT running at rougly 3ghz overclocked. Games like Assetto Corsa however are a different story. I just played through The Last Of Us at nearly maxed out settings without issues and it was a great experience well over 60 FPS at 1440p.
@@Markknightexeter Probably, to be honest I can't remember every games settings, but I'm usually not CPU bound except for on old games. If the 6600XT can handle it, I can play it to most of it's potentional. I mostly just play Forza Motorsport on it, but I am limited to 1440p else I get constant over VRAM limit messages due to only having 8GB VRAM. It's extremely abnoxious due to the game running just fine if you dismiss the message but it's full screen and not easy to deal with when playing in my sim rig, but no fault of the platform. Other than that I play a few Xbox 360 games at 1080p with Xenia, again, with great performance. All the cores really help with streaming though the GPU encode is still doing a lot of the heavy lifting. I'm rarely limited by the CPU, it's more the GPU these days. What I have noticed is the CPU scheduler will not use the CPU to it's full potentional if left to it's own devices. If I set the CPU speed to always be 100% in power settings, all 14 cores run at 3.2ghz (max turbo for all threads loaded) all the time, instead of letting it dynamically change and I've noticed a sizable difference in performance, especially in Assetto Corsa.
Using E5-2000 series CPUs for gaming is dumb. The 2690v4 is beaten in gaming by a 1650v3 because of single thread score. And LGA-3647 CPUs are now cheap enough they are superior to E5-2000 series CPUs for budget server/productivity use.
I use an HP Z440 myself, and I saw why you were having the SSD detection issue right away: You changed the SATA controller mode from RAID to AHCI, but your SSD was obviously connected to the secondary SATA controller that HP refers to as "sSATA", and the sSATA controller remained set to RAID mode. (it confused me for a minute at first, too, but then I noticed the entry about half way down the list that indicated the sSATA controller mode separately. It's kind of nice because the sSATA controller has 4 ports at the bottom edge of the motherboard and 4 modern SATA SSD's yield nearly 2,000 MB/sec throughput when configured in RAID 0 mode. Thanks for the video. (PS: I picked up mine just a few weeks ago and got the 700W PSU, an E5-1620 v4 [swapped out for an E5-2640v4], 16GB DDR4-2666, and, of course, the Quadro K600 graphics card [swapped out for an RX 580 8GB].)
Watching from a Z440 with 2697a v4, 128gb 2400mhz, and titan xp. It's a solid system for mixed workstation tasks and casual gaming. The G2 turbo drive cards are a nice upgrade. I went with the 2697a v4, since it clocks higher than the 2697 with more than 6 cores being used. I wonder if there's a bios setting you're missing or HP is limiting turbo with the 525w psu for some reason.
Yooo that's awesome dude, I'm watching this from my z440, 2697a v4, 64gb 2400mhz, 1660 TI! I just built it, like 5 hours ago, couldn't believe my eyes when I read the title!
@@CHWTT 1000 watt supply is a simple bolt on. I think I spent $43 for an OEM 1000 watter. I also got all the different plastic shrouds for the RAM and front panel fan.
I was using my Xeon to run a game server in my house along with doing some audio workstation stuff. I recently upgraded it to a 5900X. OMG, I should have done that years ago.
I built an X99S based system (5820K) in 2014 and used it for cad/modeling and general riff raff for a good, long time. It was, sadly, the last quad channel 8 DIMM (with the brand new of the time DDR4) mobo I've seen for this class of computer. Paired with initially a single 970 and later twin 1070ti OC'ed to the moon, I was a pretty happy guy. Punched above it's weight even with one GPU, but it became a whole nother beast in SLI. Still have it powering the house mini file server. 👍
@@CHWTT You should try using a minecraft mod called Chunky for your benchmarks. It preloads a selected world out to a selected radius and only stresses the CPU, so it's a completely repeatable benchmark. I managed roughly 40-50CPS (chunks per second) with my i7 990x equivalent (w3690) at peak on a basic survival world, but you could also use chunky to pre-load an extremely complex world, which should be a much heavier task. It's not uncommon for it to take hours to preload an area several tens of thousands of blocks in diameter. I believe you can fully saturate every CPU thread if you want, I know you can at least go up to 12 (because that's all I have). I believe this would be a very beneficial functional benchmark, and furthermore, would illustrate a benefit of a high-core CPU, that being you have threads to spare if you want to continue doing things like play a different game, watch videos, y'know, anything multitasking. So maybe you could do two benchmarks, one at a set thread count (say, 4) and one at full saturation (if possible). Plenty of 2010's midrange consumer CPU's would be crippled by the 4 thread test, but most xeons would hardly notice it. Just a thought. I like the benchmarks you have but there's always a question of repeatability, and to a very limited extent, the acknowledgement that the differences are often somewhat small, excepting extreme scenarios. Higher Chunks per Second on the other hand means you can have a stutter-free minecraft server several hours earlier, if not faster. And maybe you could also include a mod called Distant Horizons to explore the world, as this is a more dynamic CPU loader for the same game (Minecraft). It was pretty easy for me to max my CPU out there too if I wanted, and again, pretty repeatable. I could only manage midrange Distant Horizons settings, so seeing that mod in its full glory, all threads hammering away on a 24 core xeon or whatever would be fantastic and an excellently visual representation of CPU power. Not sure if it requires a mod to handle over a certain number of threads, but again, I was fully loaded in all 12.
My 1650v4 clocks up to about 3.8ghz. I installed Windows 10 IOT on an NVME drive, using a Sabrent adapter. It's an excellent PC and was a bargain buy from a local purveyor of office electronics. I'll buy another one to use as a source of spares. HP do their own highly rated PCIe 6 to 8 pin adapters, but they are quite expensive. Others work, but tend to max out at 120 watts. The memory cooler, needed when filling all 8 slots is really expensive and there's no easy alternative. The front fan assembly can be quite pricey, but you can easily modify a normal 92mm fan and attach it to the front of the case with dowels as stand offs, plus a guard for stray cables. Same for the rear fan. The CPU fan needs a 3rd party adapter if you replace it. The 2.5 storage bracket is HP. I plan to have the NVME, one SSD in the roof section, three 3.5 mechanicals in the bays. Mine came with the DVD drive and a multi card reader. The DVD drive uses a micro SATA power cable for which there are third party adapters if you one day go for an ATX PSU, as there are for the motherboard .
I've been running an Asus X99 Sabertooth board with an intel Core i7 6850K and 8•8GiB of RAM since 2016 now and slowly, very slowly I'm edging closer to seeing a reason to upgrade in the next few years - maybe. Designed and purchased in 2016 as a load-testing unit for development work and taken home when the company folded just weeks later, I plugged a 1080 in it and it became a rocking game machine. After prices settled a bit, I "recently" replaced the 1080 with a 3080TI which is the state it's in now - eight years old, still no real reason to upgrade.
I got X99 back in 2019 for free with 2x4 GB RAM and E5 2620 v4 paired with quadro k620 picked from the construction rubbish beside office building. Bring it home but sadly it was broken HP OEM workstation since i was not sure if it was PSU or motherboard fault i ordered X99 Jinsha motherboard from aliexpress i think it was +-$80 because of DDR4 support so i put it back together in to my old PC Case and it was good upgrade to my old AMD A6 6400k fm2 with 4 gb ddr3. I'm still using it today upgraded RAM to 32GB and GPU to 1660 still ok for budget gaming.
this is the first video i head of satisfactory, the game actually looks interesting i wonder why its not benchmarked more its all the eye candy titles!
For IDE-Modus, i think you need a Windows Installation-Stick formated/preconfigured for MBR-Systems - what is to be chosen in the Rufus-Menu. Because IDE mode does not know UEFI-protocolls. And Windows 10 needs help to be able to get installed on older systems.
I was on X99 for about a year in 2021-2022. Great platform for overall value and cores per dollar. But I ended up building an Intel 12th gen system in summer 2022 with a 12700F and a 3060, and now have a 4070 in it. Needless to say it's far better at gaming and multicore. More than double the single thread performance.
12th gen processors are solid and fast. My i3 smokes for a mobile chip. But the only desktop I have is a z440 and it's solid for gaming and works stuff. Thou I'll admit the Quadro k2200 card needs an upgrade for sure 😂
Had a x99bv3 back in the day with 3 way crossfire on a Sabretooth MB . This was when overclocking was fun and you could get incredible gains testing your talents in cooling. Them were the days
at the time that I put together an upgrade for the PC that I'm using now, I recall older gen Ryzen stuff still being a little too expensive for my liking. X99, on the other hand, seemed a lot more appetizing with how much cheaper it was in comparison. I still attribute it mostly to just the timing and being lucky (gambling on eBay listings that are sold for parts/untested), but to go from a 2500K + 750 Ti to a 5960X + 1080 Ti was a staggering leap, especially given that it was maybe ~$200 in total in terms of parts. Still definitely works well these days, despite being a decade old by now.
I'm using an E5-1650 v4 in a Dell Precision t5810 that I found on the side of the road as my daily. Pulled over after seeing the big tower which was missing it's side panel. Threw it in the back of my van and took it to work and spent several days taking it apart and cleaning and decontaminating it, took it completely apart and cleaned everything several times at work. (I never take stuff home I find that is dirty, don't want that shit in my house.) It wouldn't POST as it was and it was full of filth, hair, and animal anal fuck. It still had the cooling ducts for the DDR4 RAM. Have no idea how this computer got to this state and I was blown away by it having quad channel memory. I doubled the memory and put in a GTX 1070 and also added an Intel 750 series NVME SSD card, it already had the 680w power supply. Love this computer.
Oh, yeah, well I pulled 4 pristine and fully functional PIII workstations off the curb one day. They all had GPUs capable of doing gaming from that era. You can get a 1650v4 for about $12.50 and a mostly new Machinist MB for around $60 and get better gaming performance than a HP workstation without dealing with all the nasties. Oh, and there's the NVMe. support.
I know your pain man because I had a similar experience with a Dell Precision T-3600 which comes with SAS ports on it (Serial Attached SCSI) which looks very similar to SATA ports but they are not and the Windows 10 installer would NOT detect and storage drives. They function differently. I had to install a driver that would add SATA port compatibility mode to the SAS ports and then after that the windows 10 installer saw the drive.
There are also converter plugs so you can use a standard power supply. I know someone who has used them on a Z440 and hasn't had a problem since he case swapped the board. 👍
Thanks for the review. The cheaper xeon performing better than the 2697 v4 in Forza Horizon is probably due to the low core clock of 2.8ghz. 25:40 AVX offset not present in BIOS?
I just got a pair of E5 2699 v4's and it is an absolute beast of a system and in real world apps there is no difference between my 9950x system and my Xeon system. Unless you are actually looking at statistics or FPS you wouldn't really notice a difference in day to day tasks or gaming. So many cores for so little money. What an amazing time to be alive!!
has nothing to do with your cpu its just that the fps is not synced to your monitor, use vsync and make sure you have higher fps than your monitors hz before enabling vsync
For the price difference, it's time to move up to the "W" series scalable workstations. HP Z4G4 and Lenovo 520 come with NVMe slots and a TON of CPU upgrades.
Been building x99 build for a few years with chinese boards, had e5 2620v3, 2630v3 and 2630lv3,2670v3 even have one remade as a keychain accessory, 2678v3 is still working in my friends pc for 4th year now, have myself e5 2696v3 which is still best cpu you can get for x99, it's same e5 2699v3 but better because it supports DDR3 AND DDR4 memory and FREQUENCY is higher, Beauty of x99 v3 is that you can install modified bios from Miyconst channel and single core boost frequency will be applied to all cores making it overclocked. E5 2696V3 will try to boost to 3.8ghz all core however it has 18 cores 36 threads it hits powerlimit so usually cores stay at 3.3ghz, however you can set core count to 10 cores 20 threads and it will be rock solid 3.8ghz with all that 45mb of l3 cache. x99 Was so ahead of it's time keeping this system as backup pc while i used 7950x and later 7950x3D as main pc. I wouldn't get V4 xeon's since turbo boost mod doesn't work for them and usually multiple times cheaper v3 cpu with mod will be faster because of higher frequency. Such a fun system to tinker
After discovery of those famous cpu exploits intel removed turbo boost functionality from latest microcode for some reason. Depending on your bios microcode version you may restore turbo boost by removing microcode update files from your windows
Mitigations really suck for most users, 90% of people will never be targeted by these complicated attacks but we get FIVR control and turbo disabled anyway. It really sucks on laptops where undervolting is nearly mandatory to reduce heat, and most of them won't have an X or K series chip where the controls can be unlocked.
@@Rayjacker I don't even understand how they can do that legally, because you are downgrading specs of your product as that cpu was advertised as 4GHZ max and it only works at 3.6GHZ now and it is even questionable if turbo boost had anything to do with those exploits or they simply used opportunity to nerf down old CPUs to prevent people from using them
the part he showed but didn't mention is the PCIe slots also do not have the ending part the keeps you from putting in a longer connector card into a shorter slot. So if he wanted to put a x16 card into a x4 slot he could. That is another difference on the board.
I wonder if you set your Windows power profile to Performance. This usually dictates CPU turbo mode, and probably why your Xeon E5-1650 V4 isn't turboing to its maximum rated speed.
Honestly of Intel's older platforms, X99 Chipset is one of the better ones. It supports all the instruction sets used by modern computing. They are a bit slower, but they are still solid systems, just like AMD's FX and Phenom systems. In fact (I don't think this applies to X99, not FX and Phenom do for sure) they don't contain the PSP or IME. Do no built in back door on the hardware level. I know Intel side the IME goes back many more years, but it's still something to consider.
Hello, X99 expert here. You will almost NEVER see the rated single core CPU clocks unless you’re doing almost nothing. They aren’t like modern chips where they’ll try their best to boost as high as they can. X99/2011-3 socket CPU will default to their all core turbo boost once more than 3/4 THREADS are being used. Always look at the all core turbo numbers when you’re choosing a CPU for this platform, because that’s what you’re gonna see 99% of the time. Personally I recommend either the E5 2667V4 8 core @3.5Ghz all core for gaming. Or the E5 2690v4 14 core 3.2Ghz all core for other stuff.
I've an older Z620 which is amazing, but also a Z840 which blows it out the water on specs. Both are dual CPU and 128GB. Best part, £40 for the Z620 and £350 for the Z840. Either makes for a brilliant homelab base.
I had a 5930K with the same OC (~ 4.2GHz) on an ASUS X99 MB. I swapped it for a Xeon E5-2690v4 and upgraded to 128GB ECC RAM. It's fine for gaming, but that's not what I mainly use it for. More for workstation uses. For anything multithreaded, it beats the pants of the 5930K any day, even if single-thread performance is slightly below. So I recycle this machined for much less than a new one and I don't regret it.
I put the 2697A V4 16 core in my X99 Taichi with 256GB of Registered ECC for my NAS. It has ST and MT speed at the cost of some cache. So overkill. haha I really need to pick up a SAS HBA or two and virtualize TrueNAS under Proxmox so I can make more use of the amount of power available. It's connected to my desktop with a pair of HPE 640SFP28 dual 25gig network cards and a SFP28 direct attach copper cable. My drives wouldn't even fully saturate 10gig (yet) and I can only pull about 17gig on a cached file but for the relatively small cost increase over two 10gig cards and a 10gig DAC, a 70% increase in potential thruput is worth it.
Even though, I finally switched to PC build/Hackintoshing back in 2023, I'm certain I would still be happy with my even older X58-based, hot-rodded Mac Pro 5,1-A workstation I was using as far back as early 2012, so I would say X99 is definitely still relevant, for many use cases.
i'm literally replying to this in my 'daily' rig, an asrock based system running a 6800k in the 2011-v3 flavor. its literally avoided all the crappy exploit bugs that have plagued all the other sockets. why? no idea. but it has.
How do you define "Worth it"? It's still a viable platform. Better than most laptops. Doesn't have any of the factory over-clock nonsense that Intel used in the 13th and 14th gen CPU's. My wife uses a HP Z440 for google docs. It's better than the high end NUC she had been using. You can get a HP Z4G4 for about the same price as the Z440. It's a gen newer CPU wise.
@@Balrog-tf3bg She does massive spreadsheets. Typically 5-8 tabs worth of them in Chrome. I know all the data isn't on her machine but, the old machine (newer than the Z440) struggled. The new (old) one has 128 gigs of memory. That could be helping some. The old machine has 32.
@@quademasters249 I wasted 1000 on an Asus rog g14, and it barely works. I really wish I had done some research on older desktops and just kept my old laptop for schoolwork
Nice! For a work and game machine at $160 tho i just go with machinist pr9, 2680v4, 32gb 8x4 2400 server ram (ebay), 512gb NVMe, free/cheap usable case off locals, cheap psu 600w+ used or perhaps apevia spirit, and still have about $20 left to start thinking about a used gpu. i get full rx580s off locals for about $40-$50 no haggle. these parts certainly dont have great longevity on avg, but neither does a heavily used z440 lol
X99 systems can still do a decent amount of work, and are pretty cheap upfront these days. Newer stuff - even something relatively cheap and already on its way out like a 12400F - performs much better and is a lot more efficient than something like an E5-2697 V4 though. I'd only daily drive an X99 system if there is no better alternative where I'm at.
X99 was the last great platform (though the Z440 is not X99, it's a C6** variant) Oh how I wish we had a repeat of X99. I would buy it without a second thought. Unfortunately, with registered memory being a different slot from desktop memory, it just could not be the same. Though honestly, I would settle for at least HEDT coming back instead of consumer socket stuff now costs twice as much (HEDT money without HEDT features) and what used to be HEDT is now Lite Workstation and surprise surprise also costs twice as much.
HP Z440, i found it too E2699 is supported. You can run RTX 4070 on the 500 watt ish included UPS. These systems are just too slow for modern games, still able to use a low level Autodesk MAYA etc workstation. UEFI secure install you need, Windows is included by HP, you can upgrade that to Windows 11 for free.
It's October 2024 and I'm still searching X58, X79, X99 and X299 motherboards instead of the new Ryzen or LGA1700 systems that is way better than these There is just something special about all of these Discontinued HEDT platform that I just can't move on
Those HEDTs just have that cool factor, wish there was wider availability for X299 here, on US I see some crazy good prices but we can't have any of those things
You mean the newer HEDT platforms that nobody can afford? Just to get into an even an older 3900series Threadripper is ridiculously priced, and AMD didn’t even offer AVX512 support till the introduction of the 7900series Threadripper. I’m pretty sure the average pc enthusiast could not afford to enter the HEDT market today. Ten years ago X79/X99 platform was only a stretch above a regular desktop money wise. Today, it is not a stretch, it is a leap, requiring thousands of dollars more just to enter the lower core count of Threadripper or Xeon W series platforms of today. Shame, and the same thing has happened to the GPU market, where high end cards are a thousand dollars more than a mid-range card. Good that computation has increased exponentially but so has the cost for the average consumer sadly.
Never had access to Z440 outside of work - but i had chance to daily run and even modify Z420. It is very easy to swap cooler there because you don't need any kind of dongles / adapters /splitters to addapt your cooler, you can just transfer connector / header from the HP cooler to any after market cooler you buy while case fans uses standard 4 pin header - which makes them very easily to replace, same with the memory fan front panel needs special "bracket" to mound the fan, but you can just 3d print one - this is what i did xd only "lock" for you is that without replacing PSU (which needs special 3d printed bracket) you only got 2x6 pin PCIE cables, so at max you can only get true 1x8PIN for your GPU which technically limits your use... but i don't see point of going anything above GTX 1080 for the v1/v2 lga 2011 xeons :D
X99 is an amazing platform. I build a E5 2690V3 + 2048SP +32GB RAM system for around 200 bucks. You just can not build something better for 200 usd. there just isnt a way. 12 core monster.
Been thinking about this myself. I paired a 5930k with 2070 super. Cpu is at 4.6 and ram is 3000mhz. It stutters sometimes and feels like it can’t always fully utilize the gpu. Going to look into modding the bios with Sam support.. most of x99 lines up between 1800x and 2700x. Imo the low cost of 12th gen and zen 4 which are already 3 years old have replaced any older platform. Especially if building from scratch
That's reasonable for sure, as something like a 5700G will beat the 2697 v4 even in multicore. I think the best argument for X99 today though would be the fact that you can get a whole system with a 2697 for
@@CHWTT true. Even shopping good deals those setups would cost 600 to 800 once you include a reasonable graphics card ssd, the rest. Can’t remember the channel but they compared 6900k to erring e5 i9. Last get top end mobile chip on atx motherboard. The 6900 lost every comparison. Even so I think top parts are huge fun. Once 1000$ plus parts, now the ultra affordable options
I run a E5 2680 v4 in a home server. One server runs a plex server, home automation, several virtual machines, Truenas, and several other projects I'm not comfortable discussing publicly. x99 is absolutely still relevant.
you got it for great price, uhh its: 180euro Z440, 1620 V4, 16gb ram, AMD 2GB GDDR5 card (unexplained) it may be an R7-250, 256gb ssd 190euro Z440 1620 V4, 32gb ram, K2200 4gb DDR4, 256gb ssd id say its more better to build a budget ryzen system next to these prices that are available locally.
It kind of depends on what you're doing, with the editing that I do, I don't go much above 25GB of usage. However, if I used more complex effects and color grading, I'd definitely use way more. My general rule for video editing though would be no less than 32GB of RAM.
Good price. I have one of these as my back up PC. With the cheap price of upgrading the CPU and the Power Supply, it can be a legit gamer, and of course do the things Workstations are meant to do. As for the frame rate decrease after upgrading the CPU, that is more than likely due to the lower single core frequency.
For 130 dollars that's a good deal . If you have to pay more than 200 buy a ryzen modern ryzen processors will kick two of these eras processor's ass and they are now on craigslist for fairly cheap. I wanted one of these two but my ryzen 6 core laptop is so fast that it isn't worth it.
Sadly the CPU's and motherboards of x99 do not comply with Windows 11. Mine is now e-waste. One can pick a few Xerons and load EEC ram to make it into a server, but there are newer and cheaper options now that chew a lot less electricity.
Your title caught my eye. I rocked x99 systems for years. This vid is so true. My company throws away systems like this every month. I pilfer parts all the time and if the shell is in great shape... Your spot on, its now so cheap to kit out to the max a system like this for under $250 in many cases. And other than power draw they make bad ass cheap rigs. Video card is all on you with 5 year old quadro / rtx cheap as well. I already scored an RTX A4000 and A5000 from work stations being tossed. Just nuts. Rebuilding a Precision 7720 laptop I grabbed tonight. Discarded workstation desktops and laptops are where its at for us nerds on the cheap. Pay attention folks
@@CHWTT It is insane. Thats the perks of working for a giant company. They just dont care when or what gets replaced / discarded. I thought it was badass when I found P5000 and RTX 5000 in em. Never would have thought A series would be tossed as well. The weird part is the CPUs they spec in these systems are easily best'd by desktop chips of the same era. I dont get it. But yeah man your totally right how these workstations are the best deal around. We pay a company to take our ewaste, hence why this stuff shows up places cheap as heck. And why drives are missing as they get shredded. Another thing to note is how ECC registered ram is compatible with these system and abundant / cheap as well. I built a Ryzen 5900x with 2 64gb chips I yanked from a workstation. Not great speed but I didnt care. The A\V gear that gets toss is badass too. Thats my first love. Crown 8ch class D amp. Unreal. Dont dismiss Pro gear folks. Your totally missing out.
The 16xx v4 chips suffer from low cache and core count despite having higher clocks compared to the 26xx chips. I have a 2666 v3, it is 10core/20thread with 25mb cache and boosts to 3.2ghz, it is a pretty good chip which I got for 12$ shipped from China to the Philippines.
Yeah, I expected the reason for the chip to not be turboing to be due to that kind of a setting, but interestingly enough I recall that the power profile was set to max performance, and it still didn't quite hit 4GHz.
Yeah it is a bit weird, it could be something to do with the fact that I'm not using the paid version of DaVinci resolve in those tests, but I'm not 100% sure.
@@CHWTT oh, okay, well that inspires me to try DaVinci Resolve myself, knowing that. I was going to export to h.265 anyway, so hopefully my GTX 1050 will work for that.
@@Karti200 elegant no, but i used to have a 6900k in the one i had as a server, install throttlestop, install xtu tada can even overclock it at that point. If u have xtu installed, remove it, install throttlestop, reinstall xtu! It's not elegant, it's software overclocking, but it works. Though HP being HP it might depend on the motherboard.
server hardware sucks ass, like its cool if you want to run a game 20 times at the same time but all of them will run at 20 frames, nothing u can do to help it cuz if u want to change anything you will need a pro that knows the sistem. its all propietary and its all blocked by software save yourself a life of pain and just buy a regular computer
Watching this now from an HP Z440 Workstation...
Z420 here lol
Relatable, watching from a Z440 here too
Mine had no gpu, no ram, and no storage, but a dell quadro K4200 and 24gb of ECC made it happy, and a couple random drives for storage.
X99 is still an amazing platform, i picked up a e5 2680 v4 for only 8 bucks and it runs like an absolute beast for the price
For $15, those CPU’s are 1080p monsters
The X99 is the best bang for your buck platform on the planet. You can get near threadripper levels of performance, for next to nothing, with a dual CPU model ($150 max) and 2 14 core Xeons (that cost like $30 each CPU). They use a lot of power, but not enough to skyrocket your electric bill. Considering how popular fracking is in Pennsylvania, electricity is relatively cheap here, even under the trainwrecks that are currently in power in Harrisburg and Washington, DC. I have 2 X99's, one is a single CPU and the other is a dual CPU, that I'm still in the process of putting together. The single CPU build currently doubles as a Cybersecurity/IT homelab and a gaming PC. I absolutely LOVE my X99, they are the best budget platform you can use today, the levels of performance are staggering, especially when using a lightweight Linux distro. I use Arch btw! Lol. I use an RX590 GPU and can even play modern titles at low settings. The dual CPU build will have dual GPU's as well; I have a Titan Xp for a locall LLM and will be getting an RX6700xt for actually playing my games, and the only thing I have left to purchase is 128GB (maybe even 256GB, idk yet) of RAM. With looking glass, I can split my AMD GPU and play multiplayer games with my son on 2 monitors. The X99 is not just relevant, it's the smart choice, so long as you aren't looking for top of the line performance and 7,000 fps. If that's what you want, then no, but if you just want to play modern games at a steady 60fps (probably more, but I cap them there anyway) and have a powerful system for other stuff on the cheap, the X99 is the motherboard for you. That old Sandy Bridge architecture, on these 10+ year old Xeons, was so much better than people give it credit for. Hot swapable SSD's/HDD's, and being able to boot ANY Windows drive (that was installed on another PC) in a VM or bare metal, are definitely bonuses too.
14,000 points. Threadripper from what decade? That is like AMD 5700 level in Cinebench. A used AMD 3950X scores 22,000+. A 7950X - still not Threadripper - scores around 38,000. A 96 core Threadripper goes to 160,000+ points.
@@TechTusiast Probably talking about first / second generation threadrippers. X99 platform can slot in a better CPU than X399 (2699AV4). Sure you can get up to a 2975 and 2995 WX but those CPU's are frankly turds.
Near Threadripper performance? You have got to be kidding. The single threaded performance is miles behind and core count will not make up for it.
The E5-1650v3 on a Machinist X99 MB is the GOAT of budget gaming builds currently. Cheaper than building a 1600AF/2600 platform, performs the same in a gaming PC and has DDR4 and NVMe support. I know for sure the X99-PR9 and PR9-H support reBAR and XMP. Will run Windows 11 24H2. I bought a 1650v3 for $8.50 recently and you get a mostly new MB for about the same price of a used AM4 MB.
@@Lurch-Bot e5-2690v4’s, they’re 14 cores each and cost $30-$40 on the used/refurb market.
The real trick to these Z440 Workstations is to save about $30 bucks getting a Barebones system without CPU or RAM... Because not only are you always going to upgrade the CPU anyway; But also the prebuilts usually come with 2133 MHz RAM. When you upgrade to a Broadwell V4 CPU, you are going to want slightly faster 2400 MHz. So go with the Barebones and bring your own RAM.
But no matter what you get, always make sure it has that higher 700 Watt PSU, unless you plan to run it as a headless server.
There are dozens of other CPU choices that make sense, depending on whether you need more Cores, higher Base clock, or higher Turbo clocks.
Some other good ones include:
2687W V4 (12c/24t) [3.0/3.5]
2697A V4 (16c/32t) [2.6/3.6]
2689 V4 (10c/20t) [3.1/3.8]
2696 V4 (22c/44t) [2.2/3.7]
2673 V4 (20c/20t) [2.3/3.6]
(cores/threads) [Base/Turbo]
A couple of these CPU's are OEM only and rare to find on eBay, but can be found on Aliexpress more readily.
You can stick with Haswell V3 CPU's with slightly lower IPC and the slower RAM limitation... But they are capable of a Turbo Unlock BIOS mod that can overtake the gap, plus some. It's not for the faint of heart; So if you are uncomfortable flashing BIOS, just go with Broadwell V4.
Thats some great info, thanks for sharing!
Hold up the 2696 has *22 cores*? And it can reach 3.7Ghz boost?
Just how much power does that thing guzzle at full bore
@@DESARD12
150 Watts.
These Xeons are Turbo limited by their hard-locked TDP cap... Which is why the Haswell V3 BIOS mods for Turbo Unlock usually include a slight undervolt... So they can hit all cores max Turbo and still stay under the TDP cap.
Note the 2699P V4 (22c/44t) [3.0/3.6] with it's much higher Base clock, has a huge TDP limit of 300 Watts... But it is super rare OEM Amazon AWS server exclusive... I've never seen one in the wild.
@@KomradeMikhail I see, wonder how high it would go with no limits.
Gonna keep my peepers open for a 2699P, rare as it may be.
@@DESARD12 any of those xeon has TONS of headroom as the stock vcore is super low at like 1.1V so i wouldnt be suprised if an unlocked one could be pushed beyond 4GHz to 4.5GHz allcore
I've been using a Z440 with 4x16GB RAM, E5-2690v4 (HT on) and a Radeon 6600XT as a gaming PC for the last two years. It's great except for those games that love single thread performance.
So most games then lol.
@@Markknightexeter It's not as bad as you think. Plenty of AAA titles can max out my 6600XT running at rougly 3ghz overclocked. Games like Assetto Corsa however are a different story. I just played through The Last Of Us at nearly maxed out settings without issues and it was a great experience well over 60 FPS at 1440p.
@@spenumut fair enough, can you push it any further?
@@Markknightexeter Probably, to be honest I can't remember every games settings, but I'm usually not CPU bound except for on old games. If the 6600XT can handle it, I can play it to most of it's potentional. I mostly just play Forza Motorsport on it, but I am limited to 1440p else I get constant over VRAM limit messages due to only having 8GB VRAM. It's extremely abnoxious due to the game running just fine if you dismiss the message but it's full screen and not easy to deal with when playing in my sim rig, but no fault of the platform. Other than that I play a few Xbox 360 games at 1080p with Xenia, again, with great performance. All the cores really help with streaming though the GPU encode is still doing a lot of the heavy lifting. I'm rarely limited by the CPU, it's more the GPU these days. What I have noticed is the CPU scheduler will not use the CPU to it's full potentional if left to it's own devices. If I set the CPU speed to always be 100% in power settings, all 14 cores run at 3.2ghz (max turbo for all threads loaded) all the time, instead of letting it dynamically change and I've noticed a sizable difference in performance, especially in Assetto Corsa.
Using E5-2000 series CPUs for gaming is dumb. The 2690v4 is beaten in gaming by a 1650v3 because of single thread score. And LGA-3647 CPUs are now cheap enough they are superior to E5-2000 series CPUs for budget server/productivity use.
I use an HP Z440 myself, and I saw why you were having the SSD detection issue right away: You changed the SATA controller mode from RAID to AHCI, but your SSD was obviously connected to the secondary SATA controller that HP refers to as "sSATA", and the sSATA controller remained set to RAID mode. (it confused me for a minute at first, too, but then I noticed the entry about half way down the list that indicated the sSATA controller mode separately. It's kind of nice because the sSATA controller has 4 ports at the bottom edge of the motherboard and 4 modern SATA SSD's yield nearly 2,000 MB/sec throughput when configured in RAID 0 mode.
Thanks for the video. (PS: I picked up mine just a few weeks ago and got the 700W PSU, an E5-1620 v4 [swapped out for an E5-2640v4], 16GB DDR4-2666, and, of course, the Quadro K600 graphics card [swapped out for an RX 580 8GB].)
Watching from a Z440 with 2697a v4, 128gb 2400mhz, and titan xp. It's a solid system for mixed workstation tasks and casual gaming. The G2 turbo drive cards are a nice upgrade. I went with the 2697a v4, since it clocks higher than the 2697 with more than 6 cores being used.
I wonder if there's a bios setting you're missing or HP is limiting turbo with the 525w psu for some reason.
Yooo that's awesome dude, I'm watching this from my z440, 2697a v4, 64gb 2400mhz, 1660 TI! I just built it, like 5 hours ago, couldn't believe my eyes when I read the title!
Yeah, the thought that the 525W PSU could be a limiter was something I thought about, it would be weird but also what can you expect from HP haha
@@CHWTT 1000 watt supply is a simple bolt on. I think I spent $43 for an OEM 1000 watter. I also got all the different plastic shrouds for the RAM and front panel fan.
I was using my Xeon to run a game server in my house along with doing some audio workstation stuff. I recently upgraded it to a 5900X. OMG, I should have done that years ago.
I built an X99S based system (5820K) in 2014 and used it for cad/modeling and general riff raff for a good, long time. It was, sadly, the last quad channel 8 DIMM (with the brand new of the time DDR4) mobo I've seen for this class of computer. Paired with initially a single 970 and later twin 1070ti OC'ed to the moon, I was a pretty happy guy. Punched above it's weight even with one GPU, but it became a whole nother beast in SLI. Still have it powering the house mini file server. 👍
That sounds like an absolutely awesome build!
@@CHWTT You should try using a minecraft mod called Chunky for your benchmarks. It preloads a selected world out to a selected radius and only stresses the CPU, so it's a completely repeatable benchmark. I managed roughly 40-50CPS (chunks per second) with my i7 990x equivalent (w3690) at peak on a basic survival world, but you could also use chunky to pre-load an extremely complex world, which should be a much heavier task. It's not uncommon for it to take hours to preload an area several tens of thousands of blocks in diameter. I believe you can fully saturate every CPU thread if you want, I know you can at least go up to 12 (because that's all I have).
I believe this would be a very beneficial functional benchmark, and furthermore, would illustrate a benefit of a high-core CPU, that being you have threads to spare if you want to continue doing things like play a different game, watch videos, y'know, anything multitasking. So maybe you could do two benchmarks, one at a set thread count (say, 4) and one at full saturation (if possible). Plenty of 2010's midrange consumer CPU's would be crippled by the 4 thread test, but most xeons would hardly notice it.
Just a thought. I like the benchmarks you have but there's always a question of repeatability, and to a very limited extent, the acknowledgement that the differences are often somewhat small, excepting extreme scenarios. Higher Chunks per Second on the other hand means you can have a stutter-free minecraft server several hours earlier, if not faster. And maybe you could also include a mod called Distant Horizons to explore the world, as this is a more dynamic CPU loader for the same game (Minecraft). It was pretty easy for me to max my CPU out there too if I wanted, and again, pretty repeatable. I could only manage midrange Distant Horizons settings, so seeing that mod in its full glory, all threads hammering away on a 24 core xeon or whatever would be fantastic and an excellently visual representation of CPU power. Not sure if it requires a mod to handle over a certain number of threads, but again, I was fully loaded in all 12.
Enjoy your microstutters.
My 1650v4 clocks up to about 3.8ghz. I installed Windows 10 IOT on an NVME drive, using a Sabrent adapter. It's an excellent PC and was a bargain buy from a local purveyor of office electronics. I'll buy another one to use as a source of spares. HP do their own highly rated PCIe 6 to 8 pin adapters, but they are quite expensive. Others work, but tend to max out at 120 watts. The memory cooler, needed when filling all 8 slots is really expensive and there's no easy alternative. The front fan assembly can be quite pricey, but you can easily modify a normal 92mm fan and attach it to the front of the case with dowels as stand offs, plus a guard for stray cables. Same for the rear fan. The CPU fan needs a 3rd party adapter if you replace it. The 2.5 storage bracket is HP. I plan to have the NVME, one SSD in the roof section, three 3.5 mechanicals in the bays. Mine came with the DVD drive and a multi card reader. The DVD drive uses a micro SATA power cable for which there are third party adapters if you one day go for an ATX PSU, as there are for the motherboard .
I've been running an Asus X99 Sabertooth board with an intel Core i7 6850K and 8•8GiB of RAM since 2016 now and slowly, very slowly I'm edging closer to seeing a reason to upgrade in the next few years - maybe. Designed and purchased in 2016 as a load-testing unit for development work and taken home when the company folded just weeks later, I plugged a 1080 in it and it became a rocking game machine. After prices settled a bit, I "recently" replaced the 1080 with a 3080TI which is the state it's in now - eight years old, still no real reason to upgrade.
I got X99 back in 2019 for free with 2x4 GB RAM and E5 2620 v4 paired with quadro k620 picked from the construction rubbish beside office building. Bring it home but sadly it was broken HP OEM workstation since i was not sure if it was PSU or motherboard fault i ordered X99 Jinsha motherboard from aliexpress i think it was +-$80 because of DDR4 support so i put it back together in to my old PC Case and it was good upgrade to my old AMD A6 6400k fm2 with 4 gb ddr3. I'm still using it today upgraded RAM to 32GB and GPU to 1660 still ok for budget gaming.
this is the first video i head of satisfactory, the game actually looks interesting i wonder why its not benchmarked more
its all the eye candy titles!
For IDE-Modus, i think you need a Windows Installation-Stick formated/preconfigured for MBR-Systems - what is to be chosen in the Rufus-Menu. Because IDE mode does not know UEFI-protocolls. And Windows 10 needs help to be able to get installed on older systems.
I was on X99 for about a year in 2021-2022. Great platform for overall value and cores per dollar. But I ended up building an Intel 12th gen system in summer 2022 with a 12700F and a 3060, and now have a 4070 in it. Needless to say it's far better at gaming and multicore. More than double the single thread performance.
Nice, but I'm like 15 years when that Aldur Fails you'll look back at old faithful like "You're here to save the day again huh old buddy?" Lol
12th gen processors are solid and fast. My i3 smokes for a mobile chip. But the only desktop I have is a z440 and it's solid for gaming and works stuff. Thou I'll admit the Quadro k2200 card needs an upgrade for sure 😂
12VHPWR and over-tuned intel dumpster fire. Sounds like a bad day waiting to happen. Lemme guess, you have a 1600W PSU, lol.
Had a x99bv3 back in the day with 3 way crossfire on a Sabretooth MB . This was when overclocking was fun and you could get incredible gains testing your talents in cooling.
Them were the days
at the time that I put together an upgrade for the PC that I'm using now, I recall older gen Ryzen stuff still being a little too expensive for my liking. X99, on the other hand, seemed a lot more appetizing with how much cheaper it was in comparison. I still attribute it mostly to just the timing and being lucky (gambling on eBay listings that are sold for parts/untested), but to go from a 2500K + 750 Ti to a 5960X + 1080 Ti was a staggering leap, especially given that it was maybe ~$200 in total in terms of parts. Still definitely works well these days, despite being a decade old by now.
I'm using an E5-1650 v4 in a Dell Precision t5810 that I found on the side of the road as my daily. Pulled over after seeing the big tower which was missing it's side panel. Threw it in the back of my van and took it to work and spent several days taking it apart and cleaning and decontaminating it, took it completely apart and cleaned everything several times at work. (I never take stuff home I find that is dirty, don't want that shit in my house.) It wouldn't POST as it was and it was full of filth, hair, and animal anal fuck. It still had the cooling ducts for the DDR4 RAM. Have no idea how this computer got to this state and I was blown away by it having quad channel memory. I doubled the memory and put in a GTX 1070 and also added an Intel 750 series NVME SSD card, it already had the 680w power supply. Love this computer.
I'm going to upgrade my E5 1630 v4 for the 1650 v4 in my Z440.
Oh, yeah, well I pulled 4 pristine and fully functional PIII workstations off the curb one day. They all had GPUs capable of doing gaming from that era. You can get a 1650v4 for about $12.50 and a mostly new Machinist MB for around $60 and get better gaming performance than a HP workstation without dealing with all the nasties. Oh, and there's the NVMe. support.
My Wife and I both run a z640 with dual 2690v4's. With a crap load of ram... They edit video real nice and game too ( 3060ti)
I know your pain man because I had a similar experience with a Dell Precision T-3600 which comes with SAS ports on it (Serial Attached SCSI) which looks very similar to SATA ports but they are not and the Windows 10 installer would NOT detect and storage drives. They function differently. I had to install a driver that would add SATA port compatibility mode to the SAS ports and then after that the windows 10 installer saw the drive.
there are also wiring harnesses that allow you to use standard atx . also the pin out for front panel is public :)
There are also converter plugs so you can use a standard power supply. I know someone who has used them on a Z440 and hasn't had a problem since he case swapped the board. 👍
Thanks for the review. The cheaper xeon performing better than the 2697 v4 in Forza Horizon is probably due to the low core clock of 2.8ghz. 25:40 AVX offset not present in BIOS?
I just got a pair of E5 2699 v4's and it is an absolute beast of a system and in real world apps there is no difference between my 9950x system and my Xeon system. Unless you are actually looking at statistics or FPS you wouldn't really notice a difference in day to day tasks or gaming. So many cores for so little money. What an amazing time to be alive!!
Well, 44 Broadwell cores vs 16 Zen 5 cores, not exactly a surprise when it comes to multithreading. It must be costly in terms of power, though.
Yeah, cost-per-core on this platform is amazing right now!
In gaming sections: I noticed screen tearing which kinda annoying for me 😅
has nothing to do with your cpu its just that the fps is not synced to your monitor, use vsync and make sure you have higher fps than your monitors hz before enabling vsync
For the price difference, it's time to move up to the "W" series scalable workstations. HP Z4G4 and Lenovo 520 come with NVMe slots and a TON of CPU upgrades.
Do any of these xeons compete with i5 8600k?
What CMOS battery tester is that? Looks really cool.
If you disable hyperthreading on the 2697v4 it could improve the 1% lows in some games. Nice video showcase.
I prefer the 2697A v4, higher base clock
Been building x99 build for a few years with chinese boards, had e5 2620v3, 2630v3 and 2630lv3,2670v3 even have one remade as a keychain accessory, 2678v3 is still working in my friends pc for 4th year now, have myself e5 2696v3 which is still best cpu you can get for x99, it's same e5 2699v3 but better because it supports DDR3 AND DDR4 memory and FREQUENCY is higher, Beauty of x99 v3 is that you can install modified bios from Miyconst channel and single core boost frequency will be applied to all cores making it overclocked. E5 2696V3 will try to boost to 3.8ghz all core however it has 18 cores 36 threads it hits powerlimit so usually cores stay at 3.3ghz, however you can set core count to 10 cores 20 threads and it will be rock solid 3.8ghz with all that 45mb of l3 cache. x99 Was so ahead of it's time keeping this system as backup pc while i used 7950x and later 7950x3D as main pc. I wouldn't get V4 xeon's since turbo boost mod doesn't work for them and usually multiple times cheaper v3 cpu with mod will be faster because of higher frequency. Such a fun system to tinker
After discovery of those famous cpu exploits intel removed turbo boost functionality from latest microcode for some reason.
Depending on your bios microcode version you may restore turbo boost by removing microcode update files from your windows
Mitigations really suck for most users, 90% of people will never be targeted by these complicated attacks but we get FIVR control and turbo disabled anyway.
It really sucks on laptops where undervolting is nearly mandatory to reduce heat, and most of them won't have an X or K series chip where the controls can be unlocked.
@@Rayjacker I don't even understand how they can do that legally, because you are downgrading specs of your product as that cpu was advertised as 4GHZ max and it only works at 3.6GHZ now and it is even questionable if turbo boost had anything to do with those exploits or they simply used opportunity to nerf down old CPUs to prevent people from using them
the part he showed but didn't mention is the PCIe slots also do not have the ending part the keeps you from putting in a longer connector card into a shorter slot. So if he wanted to put a x16 card into a x4 slot he could. That is another difference on the board.
I wonder if you set your Windows power profile to Performance. This usually dictates CPU turbo mode, and probably why your Xeon E5-1650 V4 isn't turboing to its maximum rated speed.
Honestly of Intel's older platforms, X99 Chipset is one of the better ones. It supports all the instruction sets used by modern computing. They are a bit slower, but they are still solid systems, just like AMD's FX and Phenom systems. In fact (I don't think this applies to X99, not FX and Phenom do for sure) they don't contain the PSP or IME. Do no built in back door on the hardware level.
I know Intel side the IME goes back many more years, but it's still something to consider.
Hello, X99 expert here. You will almost NEVER see the rated single core CPU clocks unless you’re doing almost nothing. They aren’t like modern chips where they’ll try their best to boost as high as they can. X99/2011-3 socket CPU will default to their all core turbo boost once more than 3/4 THREADS are being used. Always look at the all core turbo numbers when you’re choosing a CPU for this platform, because that’s what you’re gonna see 99% of the time.
Personally I recommend either the E5 2667V4 8 core @3.5Ghz all core for gaming. Or the E5 2690v4 14 core 3.2Ghz all core for other stuff.
Are X99 i7s compatible with turbo boost unlock?
@@chedds probably. But only the 5XXX series
@@jamesgarrett3000 interesting, thx
@@chedds i7s are overclockable though (as long as the bios allows it)
@@rafradeki yes but most people aren’t going to have an overclock able board these days. Gonna be mostly
Old workstations.
I've an older Z620 which is amazing, but also a Z840 which blows it out the water on specs. Both are dual CPU and 128GB. Best part, £40 for the Z620 and £350 for the Z840. Either makes for a brilliant homelab base.
I still run my 5820k OC to 4.2Ghz, it's not very good these days but I manage to play any modern game so that's OK I ugess.
I had a 5930K with the same OC (~ 4.2GHz) on an ASUS X99 MB. I swapped it for a Xeon E5-2690v4 and upgraded to 128GB ECC RAM. It's fine for gaming, but that's not what I mainly use it for. More for workstation uses. For anything multithreaded, it beats the pants of the 5930K any day, even if single-thread performance is slightly below.
So I recycle this machined for much less than a new one and I don't regret it.
I just built a 1650v4 system, its dose really well on titles where core speed is more important than core count.
2000 series Xeons are not for gaming. The 1S CPUs are. But the v3 is cheaper and unlocked, a better choice if you are putting it on a consumer X99 MB.
I put the 2697A V4 16 core in my X99 Taichi with 256GB of Registered ECC for my NAS. It has ST and MT speed at the cost of some cache. So overkill. haha I really need to pick up a SAS HBA or two and virtualize TrueNAS under Proxmox so I can make more use of the amount of power available. It's connected to my desktop with a pair of HPE 640SFP28 dual 25gig network cards and a SFP28 direct attach copper cable. My drives wouldn't even fully saturate 10gig (yet) and I can only pull about 17gig on a cached file but for the relatively small cost increase over two 10gig cards and a 10gig DAC, a 70% increase in potential thruput is worth it.
x99 for an IT startup is a freebie, it can hold a big project no sweat
I hold a big project every time I take a leak.
Even though, I finally switched to PC build/Hackintoshing back in 2023, I'm certain I would still be happy with my even older X58-based, hot-rodded Mac Pro 5,1-A workstation I was using as far back as early 2012, so I would say X99 is definitely still relevant, for many use cases.
Agreed, X99 is totally still relevant for a lot of stuff these days
i'm literally replying to this in my 'daily' rig, an asrock based system running a 6800k in the 2011-v3 flavor.
its literally avoided all the crappy exploit bugs that have plagued all the other sockets. why? no idea. but it has.
How do you define "Worth it"? It's still a viable platform. Better than most laptops. Doesn't have any of the factory over-clock nonsense that Intel used in the 13th and 14th gen CPU's. My wife uses a HP Z440 for google docs. It's better than the high end NUC she had been using.
You can get a HP Z4G4 for about the same price as the Z440. It's a gen newer CPU wise.
Depends what you want for google docs. Ironically my 2018 Lenovo struggles to run MS word back in 2018
@@Balrog-tf3bg She does massive spreadsheets. Typically 5-8 tabs worth of them in Chrome. I know all the data isn't on her machine but, the old machine (newer than the Z440) struggled.
The new (old) one has 128 gigs of memory. That could be helping some. The old machine has 32.
@@quademasters249 ironic if you’re not a gamer how long old pc parts can last. Thats cool
@@Balrog-tf3bg I threw a 2080ti into my HP Z4G4. It's a credible gaming machine now. It's better than most machines on Steam today.
@@quademasters249 I wasted 1000 on an Asus rog g14, and it barely works. I really wish I had done some research on older desktops and just kept my old laptop for schoolwork
Is the Z440 the way to go in the Z series?
Thanks TH-cam for not sending me notifications for this channel for 3 months
What about Windows 11? Does it have a TPM header?
I think X99 still have some life left. I have two T5810s with nvme pci-e 3 cards for ssds also running 2698v3 and 1650v4 I am pretty happy with them.
Do these systems have tpm 2.0 for win11 compatibility?
yes I have one, Its running TPM 2.1
BIOS update is required
Nice i have have the older Z420 / Z820 and as far as i know they don't. Good to see that this can and are not too expensive.
Nice! For a work and game machine at $160 tho i just go with machinist pr9, 2680v4, 32gb 8x4 2400 server ram (ebay), 512gb NVMe, free/cheap usable case off locals, cheap psu 600w+ used or perhaps apevia spirit, and still have about $20 left to start thinking about a used gpu. i get full rx580s off locals for about $40-$50 no haggle. these parts certainly dont have great longevity on avg, but neither does a heavily used z440 lol
X99 systems can still do a decent amount of work, and are pretty cheap upfront these days. Newer stuff - even something relatively cheap and already on its way out like a 12400F - performs much better and is a lot more efficient than something like an E5-2697 V4 though. I'd only daily drive an X99 system if there is no better alternative where I'm at.
I installed Windows 11 on an NVMe. I configured the AHCI issues after 😎
You can get the atx pin out then use a volt meter to see whats what on the hp power supply and and mod the pin out. If ya wana keep the psup
X99 was the last great platform (though the Z440 is not X99, it's a C6** variant)
Oh how I wish we had a repeat of X99. I would buy it without a second thought. Unfortunately, with registered memory being a different slot from desktop memory, it just could not be the same. Though honestly, I would settle for at least HEDT coming back instead of consumer socket stuff now costs twice as much (HEDT money without HEDT features) and what used to be HEDT is now Lite Workstation and surprise surprise also costs twice as much.
I am using an HP Z440 with an CPU E5 2667v4 and an RTX 3070, with 64GB of RAM.
Stupid question does Win 11 install and run on it?
Not natively, it can't
HP Z440, i found it too E2699 is supported.
You can run RTX 4070 on the 500 watt ish included UPS.
These systems are just too slow for modern games, still able to use a low level Autodesk MAYA etc workstation.
UEFI secure install you need, Windows is included by HP, you can upgrade that to Windows 11 for free.
It's October 2024 and I'm still searching X58, X79, X99 and X299 motherboards instead of the new Ryzen or LGA1700 systems that is way better than these
There is just something special about all of these Discontinued HEDT platform that I just can't move on
Those HEDTs just have that cool factor, wish there was wider availability for X299 here, on US I see some crazy good prices but we can't have any of those things
You mean the newer HEDT platforms that nobody can afford? Just to get into an even an older 3900series Threadripper is ridiculously priced, and AMD didn’t even offer AVX512 support till the introduction of the 7900series Threadripper. I’m pretty sure the average pc enthusiast could not afford to enter the HEDT market today. Ten years ago X79/X99 platform was only a stretch above a regular desktop money wise. Today, it is not a stretch, it is a leap, requiring thousands of dollars more just to enter the lower core count of Threadripper or Xeon W series platforms of today. Shame, and the same thing has happened to the GPU market, where high end cards are a thousand dollars more than a mid-range card. Good that computation has increased exponentially but so has the cost for the average consumer sadly.
Never had access to Z440 outside of work - but i had chance to daily run and even modify Z420.
It is very easy to swap cooler there because you don't need any kind of dongles / adapters /splitters to addapt your cooler, you can just transfer connector / header from the HP cooler to any after market cooler you buy
while case fans uses standard 4 pin header - which makes them very easily to replace, same with the memory fan
front panel needs special "bracket" to mound the fan, but you can just 3d print one - this is what i did xd
only "lock" for you is that without replacing PSU (which needs special 3d printed bracket) you only got 2x6 pin PCIE cables, so at max you can only get true 1x8PIN for your GPU which technically limits your use... but i don't see point of going anything above GTX 1080 for the v1/v2 lga 2011 xeons :D
X99 is an amazing platform. I build a E5 2690V3 + 2048SP +32GB RAM system for around 200 bucks. You just can not build something better for 200 usd. there just isnt a way. 12 core monster.
Yes turbo unlock 2698v3 for $20 can’t be beat. Pair with a dual socket mobo and 128gb ram can be done for $200
Been thinking about this myself. I paired a 5930k with 2070 super. Cpu is at 4.6 and ram is 3000mhz. It stutters sometimes and feels like it can’t always fully utilize the gpu. Going to look into modding the bios with Sam support.. most of x99 lines up between 1800x and 2700x. Imo the low cost of 12th gen and zen 4 which are already 3 years old have replaced any older platform. Especially if building from scratch
That's reasonable for sure, as something like a 5700G will beat the 2697 v4 even in multicore. I think the best argument for X99 today though would be the fact that you can get a whole system with a 2697 for
@@CHWTT true. Even shopping good deals those setups would cost 600 to 800 once you include a reasonable graphics card ssd, the rest. Can’t remember the channel but they compared 6900k to erring e5 i9. Last get top end mobile chip on atx motherboard. The 6900 lost every comparison. Even so I think top parts are huge fun. Once 1000$ plus parts, now the ultra affordable options
Lenovo P520 is the new king of budget builds.
Playing games with this PC hp z440 with 2699 which I planned to make it as 3D blender but then I lose myself to play on it too
I run a E5 2680 v4 in a home server. One server runs a plex server, home automation, several virtual machines, Truenas, and several other projects I'm not comfortable discussing publicly. x99 is absolutely still relevant.
Have plenty of Z440's at work, and my personal daily driver is an X99 i7-5960X overclocked.
you got it for great price, uhh its:
180euro Z440, 1620 V4, 16gb ram, AMD 2GB GDDR5 card (unexplained) it may be an R7-250, 256gb ssd
190euro Z440 1620 V4, 32gb ram, K2200 4gb DDR4, 256gb ssd
id say its more better to build a budget ryzen system next to these prices that are available locally.
Does video editing require a lot of memory?
It kind of depends on what you're doing, with the editing that I do, I don't go much above 25GB of usage. However, if I used more complex effects and color grading, I'd definitely use way more. My general rule for video editing though would be no less than 32GB of RAM.
Good price. I have one of these as my back up PC. With the cheap price of upgrading the CPU and the Power Supply, it can be a legit gamer, and of course do the things Workstations are meant to do. As for the frame rate decrease after upgrading the CPU, that is more than likely due to the lower single core frequency.
best value x99 cpu is e5 2630 v4 at 3$. a good all arounder.
Do any of these xeons compete with i5 8600k?
For 130 dollars that's a good deal . If you have to pay more than 200 buy a ryzen modern ryzen processors will kick two of these eras processor's ass and they are now on craigslist for fairly cheap. I wanted one of these two but my ryzen 6 core laptop is so fast that it isn't worth it.
Watching this from an HP Z420 Workstation lol
1630v4 4402pts in CB23 917pts single core
short anwser absolutely
China's basically giving these processors away. 6 bucks for an E5-2680 v4.
Sadly the CPU's and motherboards of x99 do not comply with Windows 11. Mine is now e-waste. One can pick a few Xerons and load EEC ram to make it into a server, but there are newer and cheaper options now that chew a lot less electricity.
Your title caught my eye. I rocked x99 systems for years. This vid is so true. My company throws away systems like this every month. I pilfer parts all the time and if the shell is in great shape... Your spot on, its now so cheap to kit out to the max a system like this for under $250 in many cases. And other than power draw they make bad ass cheap rigs. Video card is all on you with 5 year old quadro / rtx cheap as well. I already scored an RTX A4000 and A5000 from work stations being tossed. Just nuts. Rebuilding a Precision 7720 laptop I grabbed tonight. Discarded workstation desktops and laptops are where its at for us nerds on the cheap. Pay attention folks
Mannn a A4000 and A5000 from the junk pile? Thats absolutely INSANE!
Can I dumpster dive at your job?
@@CHWTT It is insane. Thats the perks of working for a giant company. They just dont care when or what gets replaced / discarded. I thought it was badass when I found P5000 and RTX 5000 in em. Never would have thought A series would be tossed as well. The weird part is the CPUs they spec in these systems are easily best'd by desktop chips of the same era. I dont get it. But yeah man your totally right how these workstations are the best deal around. We pay a company to take our ewaste, hence why this stuff shows up places cheap as heck. And why drives are missing as they get shredded. Another thing to note is how ECC registered ram is compatible with these system and abundant / cheap as well. I built a Ryzen 5900x with 2 64gb chips I yanked from a workstation. Not great speed but I didnt care. The A\V gear that gets toss is badass too. Thats my first love. Crown 8ch class D amp. Unreal. Dont dismiss Pro gear folks. Your totally missing out.
@@thetechcorner7204 Granted the stuff isnt free on the after market. But CHWTT is right in thats the best deal in town.
i think thers two ver of the 700w psu as my frinds z440 has to 6pin pcie power outs while mine has only one unless i miss it somwere
The second one is usually tucked away in a clip behind the front intake fan.
the 8 core highest frequency chip will do best in games think it was a 2667v4
or a 12 core disable hyper threading. You want to get the highest clock speed you can
No longer best choice for budget PC even Zen 1 Ryzen 1600x used are now often cheaper and will be faster in games/
2667v4 is about the same price as the Ryzen 5 1600x and is way better at gaming (at least here)
@@chedds At least used ryzen mobos are cheap, on x99 you either have to choose expensive used hedt or dubious quality chinese brand
My storage server is a z440 board slapped into a 4u rack case. It’s pretty good
The 16xx v4 chips suffer from low cache and core count despite having higher clocks compared to the 26xx chips. I have a 2666 v3, it is 10core/20thread with 25mb cache and boosts to 3.2ghz, it is a pretty good chip which I got for 12$ shipped from China to the Philippines.
I think it can`t compete anymore, it`s not completely obsolete but really aging.
It is inefficient compaired to systems of today and slow.
Isn’t the z440 c612 and not x99
Everyone calls the socket x99 for convenience even if it is not so
X99 is sigma skibidi
High performance power profile most of the time on old Xenons helps it boost higher.
Yeah, I expected the reason for the chip to not be turboing to be due to that kind of a setting, but interestingly enough I recall that the power profile was set to max performance, and it still didn't quite hit 4GHz.
PCIe lanes go brrrrrrrrrrr
It's still capable of gaming in 2024, but I use it for xeon servers.
Nice video!
I like how part of the conclusion was to ignore the Optiplex and go for a real work horse :D
so DaVinci Resolve uses NVENC for h.265 exports but uses CPU for h.264? Weird.
Yeah it is a bit weird, it could be something to do with the fact that I'm not using the paid version of DaVinci resolve in those tests, but I'm not 100% sure.
@@CHWTT oh, okay, well that inspires me to try DaVinci Resolve myself, knowing that. I was going to export to h.265 anyway, so hopefully my GTX 1050 will work for that.
Whating on a HP z640 with a E5-2699 v4
Awesome build! How much did you pay for the 2699? they cost over 200 euro where I live, so it wasn't worth it, got myself a z440, 2697A instead
A 6850k is where its at if the hp can push the bclk 😅
i don't think those HP will even support 6850K
@@Karti200 elegant no, but i used to have a 6900k in the one i had as a server, install throttlestop, install xtu tada can even overclock it at that point. If u have xtu installed, remove it, install throttlestop, reinstall xtu! It's not elegant, it's software overclocking, but it works.
Though HP being HP it might depend on the motherboard.
server hardware sucks ass, like its cool if you want to run a game 20 times at the same time but all of them will run at 20 frames, nothing u can do to help it cuz if u want to change anything you will need a pro that knows the sistem. its all propietary and its all blocked by software
save yourself a life of pain and just buy a regular computer
INTEL is never worth anything :)
Ryzen is the king
Intel's X99 = failed tech