ENGINEER EXPLAINS WHY TURBO ENGINE IN 2022 TUNDRA WILL LAST ONE MILLION MILES - as reliable as V8
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- Upset about the 3.5L twin turbo V-6 is the new 2022 Toyota Tundra? Automotive Engineer and Toyota veteran David Koichi Chao explains why the turbocharged engine in the new 2022 Tundra will last a million miles and why it's as reliable as the proven V-8 engine in the current Tundra.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, consulting, and strategy. David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean Thinking or Toyota Production System. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston.
This didn't age well, tons of engine failures have been reported
Turbo will never be more reliable than a NA engine! It could be a reliable engine but never more reliable than a NA. Cmon
A twin turbo lasting 1 million miles….come on man.
It'll take me 18 to 20 years to total 200K miles. If it's bullet proof that long I'm delighted.
Coming from the Eco boost I just don’t understand how this is possible
@@adamgarcia9839 I had the ecoboost before o bought my tundra… it needed engine overhaul at 47k miles… go figure.
@@michaelbosisto6259 mine only made it to 87k, mostly driven by my wife. Did all the PMs myself and was over the top on them. Luckily we had extended warranty soon as it was fixed traded it in for a sequoia
His credibility is taking a major hit here. A simulated run in Toyota’s clean room does not represent real world use.
This video didn't aged too well. Now we have customers complaining about this engine as well as the fit and finish. No, not a good excuse that the product is new because a lot of rigorous testing takes place before production begins.
Not really..most engines have some issues in the first couple yours..same as the 5.8v8 when it came out.
Less than .1% of the new Tundras have had engine issues. I've had 2 Tundras with the TTV6 and no issues. Just silky smooth and very powerful.
The only complaint I’m seeing is people expected better gas mileage. Fit and finish look for a different video.
@mangravy2000 when you spend your hard earned money , it's not just fuel efficiency , looks but also fit and finish. Confused about looking else where for fit and finish. It's my overall opinion of the product itself
@raymondpoh bought a 2024 tundra..fit and finish is on point...
I think those issues have been solved.
I like to think that the reason Toyota took so long to develop the new Tundra is because they completed the necessary R&D to deliver a reliable engine for this platform… time will tell 🤞🏽
@@americanadreaming welcome to the club
@@americanadreaming You could also buy an F250 with the 6.2 V8. The GM 6.6 V8 and the RAM 6.4 V8 are good as well, but you have to buy an HD. I’m sure the Tundra twin turbo V6 will be bulletproof after a year or two. There is always some minor issues that testing won’t catch. I’m not a fan of the current Tundra with the short van like hood.
Hopefully the transmission and suspension are updated. Too many issues with ball joints and control arms and overheated transmission.
Ding ding ding ding ding.
@@hybridsnowleopard what’s the ding ding sound
This was just recommended to me in May 2024 as Toyota recalled their turbo engines in Lexus and Tundra... Dang. Aged like milk
Toyota and Yamaha are very similar in many ways. It takes them a long time to come to market but when they put out something new it is done right. Two very strong companies.
Bartender!!! One beer to this señor.
Actually they both have partnered up in early years when the Toyota celica was built in 2000 to 2005 the engine was Yamaha, if you ever get a chance to look under the hood, look on the passenger side on the back side of engine you will see YAMAHA 👍
@@itsjustme4222 No sorry, I would have to beg to differ. The Chrysler Corporation is the best automotive manufacturer to be created.
KIDDING! No way!
Yamaha comes out with a piano and Toyota comes out with the Lexus LC500, uhh I though you guys were supposed to be making the same thing?? Scratches head😳
@@itsjustme4222 True, however that engine was not their finest work, it had a lot of issues which some speculate, including Scotty Kilmer as to why Toyota stopped making that car, I miss it!
On the other hand Yamaha tuned the exhaust not of the Lexus LFA, and that was a huge success 👍
Take care🇨🇦🍻🤙
This aged like milk. You should re-title this "TOYOTA ENGINEER EXPLAINS WHY TURBO ENGINE IN 2022 TUNDRA WILL LAST ONE MILLION MILES - as reliable as V8" to save some face.
if you did your research, you know it's not a turbo problem. I just saved your face there
@@bellboy7286 Not at all mate. What makes you think I implied or thought it was a problem with the turbo to begin with? Anyone who bothered to search it up would know it's bearing failures as a result of leftover "machining debris" from the process of making the block.
Read my comment again and think before you spew.
I will say that my 2013 tundra with 130k miles still runs and drives like a brand new truck.
187K on my 4Runner and that thing isn't showing any signs of slowing down. I completely agree with you on that.
Neighbor has 2011 Ford 3.5L Turbo (1st gen), has over 185K, it runs and drives like a brand new truck. Never anything other than normal maintenance. I'll grant it doesn't LOOK like a brand new truck, because it's a work truck with paint skinned up here and there, little dings that you don't get at the mall parking lot.
I just finished watching a video of the million mile tundra
Lol and gets 13mpg highway lol. My 6.2 sierra gets 18 city. Got it
My 06 highlander has almost 197k and it’s as smooth as when it was new. Very quiet and smooth v6. We could use a bigger car but the highlander just keeps going strong. Great company.
I think Toyota will ultimately make another reliable engine. Accelerated wear testing is not exactly real world testing. Heat cycles and extreme climate conditions play a part in longevity, especially in seals.
the engine might be good, but putting so many eggs in one basket is foolish. Should that turbo fail, the costs will be very high to replace...no thank you
@@aarontaylor9413buy a horse that one not fail😂
@@aarontaylor9413 how so? Replacing a turbo is not that expensive, turbos operate off of exhaust heat so all that could fail are bearings, which are built very well today. Cars are designed to operate at a specific air fuel ration so if turbo fails the engine management system will reduce fuel being supplied to engine?
Or I can just avoid a vehicle with an expensive turbo.
Not expensive? Its more than 5k just for the turbo...then to replace it is a major job. I hate, I mean utterly HATE rip off dealerships. I do most of my own work, or know people who can. That turbo will force a lot of people to have to spend more money at a dealership. Thzt wont work for people, ike me. Dealerships have high costs, and transfer that burden to its customers. That is unxceptable to me, as I dont care about their high costs, and are not willing to pay them.
All this guy did was repeat the same stuff and said Toyota tests stuff. What about people who tow? How will this engine hold up to 20,000-30,000 miles of towing 3 tons? That's what I want to know and that's why so many people are disappointed. We wanted something that could really compete with a 2500 or 250.
You said it yourself @ 3:46: "Yes, perhaps they're a little bit more delicate than a standard V8 engine..." These twin-turbo V6 engines won't take kindly to the abuse and neglect that the old 5.7 was able to endure.
I was thinking the same lol. I'll stick with my V8 until they work all the kinks out
Strongly disagree with everything that you are saying here.
I drive about 33,000 miles a year as a regional VP for my company in Texas. My area is essentially all of Texas and parts of Oklahoma so I drive a lot. I deliver stuff so a 2015 F-150 was the truck I bought for this job specifically. I put 230,000'ish miles on my truck when I sold it in January 2021.
For starters, twin-turbo motors need TDI service every 30,000 miles (turbo direct injection). Without it the motor will be destroyed because the high pressure of the fuel to produce the power doesn't allow the full burn of the fuel and you get carbon build-up. That costs me $391 each time.
Next, the barrings in my turbo went out at 121,000 miles. That cost me almost $600 with labor to fix. I was pretty upset about that repair but the mechanic said that is pretty normal. BUT worst of all the twin turbos went out at around 210,000 miles (just last year) and that cost me $3,665.00. That price will forever be burned into my mind. That repair made me so angry especially since the vast majority of my miles are highway. The mechanic told me, "we replace these around 150-175k but highway miles let you get over 200,000 on yours. Congrats! That was not what I wanted to hear.
I forgot about the oil leak I had in the twin-turbo at around 180,000 miles. I had that fixed at around $400 with labor.
Bottom line I hated this truck because I also spent another $5,000 on front-end issues, brake issues, and electronic problems with some accessories.
This is why I bought a 2021 Tundra TRD Limited in January and wish I had bought it the first time.
Sorry but there is no way the Toyota twin-turbo is going to be much better than what Ford is offering.
alot of what u r saying is true however u have to remember that toyota uses d-4s, port and direct injection on their motors, therefore carbon build up shouldnt be an issue as the port injection cleans the build up.
@@marmar7105 Will that be the case on the new motor? Has that been confirmed?
@@SuperSnakePlissken all of toyota dynamic force motors as of 2017 are d-4s direct and port injected. the v35A, a 3.5 TTv6 thats in the ls500 and land cruiser 300 series employ it. and this will be the same TNGA motor. this motor has been around since 2017
@@marmar7105 Well that is good to hear. That Ford I had was not an overall pleasant experience. By 150,000 miles it reminded me of an old dresser. It got the job done but it rattled, shook, and the fitting by that point was not great.
Since I don't have to pay for gas having a 2021 Tundra is a dream.
@@marmar7105 -- Ford added that in Gen II of the 3.5L turbo, in 2017 also. Today, and possibly earlier, all Ford F-Series gas engines have twin injectors (port and direct).
Sorry Engineer, the 3.4 Twin Turbo engines are spinning bearings and blowing up left and right, not that great of an engine afterall. Wait times for a new short block are two to three months.
That v8 growl though
They will have it. Coming from the speakers. My wife just shot up in value.
@@jeremy9071 yup lol love the v8
That sweet turbo spool though
I’d prefer silence, it’s nice to hear an elk bugle or a Turkey gobble while driving in the woods. The 3.5 ecoboost is so quiet it’s amazing
I’m willing to wager they will not last as long as my V8, nor be as trouble free, especially if it has gdi injection.
Ugh, GDI is terrible. If they do, they at least need to put an injection event before the intake valves for cleaning. Still, though, that’s more complexity and cost.
Damn EPA and GDI…
The Lexus LS 500 2017 and above comes with same TT V6 and has both gdi and multiport so i personally Think that the failure will not happen that regard. Can Anyone weigh in with a High Mileage 2017+ LS 550 TT V6 on Reliability?
100% Theres no way in hell that any turbo engine is going to be able to be even close to reliability with their v8s
I have many Toyotas & Lexuses but you’ll never convince me a much more complicated engine will last longer than a simpler one. Sure if you put in more maintenance (time, energy and money) like what is required of turbo vehicles, it might be acceptably reliable & durable under real world conditions
@@tundralane256 I'm at 235k with my 07 Camry. Don't have Lexus money lol
A V6 car engine cannot replace a V8 truck engine. I’ll pass with all due respect ✊
Turbos aren’t bad if they’re done right. Every Semi on the road has one.
Every semi will need to have them replaced
@@clb_52 yes, but they can last a really long time.
@@clb_52 replacing a turbo>>>replacing an engine
@@danl7442 Both are costly🤑
@@tmr8193 pretty much every semi on the road has one. Better, buddy?
I hope Toyota's twin turbos don't overheat and burnout when towing a heaving load. Talking to EcoBoom.
Eco boost was a horrible design from the beginning , plus it’s a Ford.
That was the first and last Ford I’ll ever buy what a nightmare that pos was
@@wesdonovan821 mine was all stock
@@1FiftyOverland and bad design …
@@1FiftyOverland
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@@adamgarcia9839 You seem so puerile.
As a long time Toyota Tundra owner I have complete confidence in their engineering and manufacturing abilities. I venture to say that the majority of owners have experienced above average reliability and satisfaction with Toyota products.
If they are that good, then it's amazing they only sell about 1/8 as many as Ford sells F-series*. Fleets keep meticulous records about cost of ownership. Toyota has virtually zero of the commercial fleet truck business. Ford has close to 50% of that business.
*Toyota built their San Antonio plant with the intent of producing 200,000 per year. Only one year (2007) did they even got close. The last 10 years they've averaged 112,500 per year or roughly half of the designed capacity of the plant.
I agree, can't wait to test drive the new Tundra.
What Tundra do you have though? There are a lot of reported issues with the 2007-2010 5.7L. Valve spring catastrophic failures and the air injection pumps being the main ones. Some of the valve issues were happening under 75k miles and destroyed the engine. I love Toyota, I wouldn't own anything else, but there are plenty of things they don't get right too.
@@oldowl4290 I still own a 2005 Tundra 4.7 with 320,000 miles and a 2021, it's a great truck and I really like it, but due to the current economic fuel trends it is leaving my possession. I will opt for the 3.5 TT some time in the future.
@@kennethreynolds8 I'm shopping for an 05-06 or 07-12. I need a weekender work truck but also want to offroad/overland. I'm leaning to the 1st gen but also like the 2nd gen a lot. I need to compare weights and tow capacity. I know the 2nd gen is heavier and larger but it's not a deal breaker. I do like the 1st gen however from the standpoint of putting in a manual transmission and xfer case. A few people have done it in last 4 years and a few places offer adapter plates now.
How much is Toyota paying this guy?
I keep reading about the new tundras turbo waste gate problems and how difficult it is to have the parts replaced. Going to give this model year a miss and wait until the bugs get worked out.
I would never buy the first year model of a powertrain update. I don't care if the same powertrain was in another vehicle, it still takes production side time to perfect their process. Along with real world usage of said vehicle. I usually wait till year 3 in a update cycle unless it's just a face lift.
Some are opposed to turbo gas engines, say they will wear out too quickly etc. But if the engine is designed to BE turbocharged from the start, with proper lubrication, bearing sizes, cooling etc. they are made to handle the power, just as a bigger v8 came with bigger bearings than a small v8. In the old days, taking a regular gas engine and adding a turbocharger DID push the engine beyond what it was designed to produce, but that was then.
Good point
Fantastic! Looking forward to seeing Toyota guarantee their turbochargers for a million miles. In writing.
I am waiting for the MPG on the V6. I will get one when they come out. I have had Toyotas for years the ones i had have been bullet proof i run them for 200,000 + miles with no issues.
The EPA numbers are going to be a lie like usual with turbo v6s
@@scottfree6479 i can beat the epa numbers in my 2.7 f150.
It all depends upon how you drive. You cannot "keep up with traffic" that zips around city turns and stays on the gas till the light turns red, constantly using the brakes...
You have to drive boring, coast to stops. But i can get 28mpg out of a tank, over 500 miles before a 20g refill.
I don't do it all the time, but it's possible. (Way easier now that i don't live in a large town).
I don't doubt the 'yota will be the same.
@@volvo09 Yeah of course, but you can do similar things with ANY engine. Efficient driving techniques are not limited to eco-boost engines.
Meanwhile a big V8 will perform consistently better then more weight you have since it is getting better burn efficiency.
Furthermore such driving is not convenient for 95%+ of people.
Avg 18.4 mpg on my 22.
tell me why my tundra alr got its engine replaced and it’s a 22
I’d like to see a video of how little Fiat Chrysler tests their products 😂
You mean #1 in initial quality?
They have someone kick the vehicle really hard as it comes off the line and if it stays 90% together then it’s a pass!
Those tests aren’t for their products: they’re for my patience.
They dont
@@mannymotta2174 You mad your brand got beat by FCA in initial quality lmao
Did they start the 100 year UV test after the 2007-2011 Camry? I found it hard to believe they subjected those dash’s to any test like that since they all melted in a 10 year window.
I am sure they did, check out 1997-2001 Camry. No one said those years got shitty interior in Southern California. 2007-11 Camry used different part suppliers. Just like what happened in certain run away V6 scandals happened over a decade ago.
I agree....same epidemic with the LS460 dash and interior panels
I think it was only an 07 to 09 problem, the issue was fixed for all 2010 plus models
@@notasolutionI got a 11, they all melted, sticky, difficult to clean and reflects in the windshield when sunny. It’s a Made in US Camry…
I can’t put my finger on it but Toyota definitely has the “secret sauce” when is comes to durability, longevity and reliability. We have a large fleet of trucks at the utility I work for and the technicians rarely have to make repairs to the Toyota trucks. The Big 3 trucks are another story. They keep the mechanics and the local auto parts store busy!
Yet when you look at the entire fleet (commercial) pickup market, Toyota is a rounding error of the total.
@@cl3410 I hope you’re joking
@@cl3410
Chrysler has traditionally been shit when it comes to reliability and dependability. They are trying to improve though, and have had some success in recent years, but still have a long way to go. GM is a little better, but there newer cars have had a number of electronic issues. Ford is the best of the big 3 currently, but still far behind Toyota. The numbers show this. When you look at reliability and dependability data, Toyota out performs the competition. Same with Lexus when compared to other luxury brands. The 1st RX gen RX300 had transmission issues. Both my brother and cousin had problems with theirs. But that's not the standard, its the outlier. You are right in regards to American cars improving their quality and dependability. However, Toyota hasn't been sitting with their thumb up their asses. They are always striving to improve. Reliability and dependability are their selling point, and if they lose that, they they would be utterly fucked.
Consumers decide with their wallets based on their experiences. And if Toyota slips, people will go elsewhere. Toyota isn't perfect by any measure, but they do out perform the competition with regards to dependability and reliability. The 5.7L Tundra proved itself to be the most dependable and reliable pickup. I am pretty sure Toyota will do everything in their power to not fuck that up with the 3.5L TT. That being said, competition is good. Because when companies compete, consumers win.
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Own a Toyota and Chevy and I would say the Toyota is built like a tank and the Chevy like a Hummer, but then again I do have the 4Runner and Tahoe. Chevy trucks very reliable but cars I don’t believe so much so. Overall Toyota better quality I also own a Camry but they do up charge you for that dependability
@@cl3410 I had a 2009 GMC Sierra 4X4 , Z71 package with the 6.6 L Duramax diesel. Towed a 32 ft fifth wheel trailer/camper that weighed 10,000 lbs. all over hell and back. I only ever had to replace a glow plug and that was the extent of repairs to that truck. I’m 68 yrs old and didn’t want to prep and haul the trailer any more soI traded it in for a 2021 Tacoma TRD Sport. This was two months ago and the Toyota dealer was very glad to have my 09 GMC truck in the current truck shortage, so I got an outstanding price. That truck didn’t need the DEF fluid, didn’t have cylinder deactivation or the run stop crap. I miss it because of nostalgia but not because it gave me any trouble. Rule: Take care and maintain your vehicle.
Do you still feel the same after a year or so and countless trucks not making it to 20,000 miles without engine problems
David, You need to keep your 2022 Tundra for 1 million miles to underline these claims :D
You're absolutely right! I may have to put them on the 24/7 dyno and run it all day, all week and hopefully hit 1 million miles within one year so that I can trade it for the new 4Runner and do the same thing!
@@AutomotivePress I was thinking of a 25-30 year test drive.
@@rightlanehog3151 Good idea... hopefully I'm around still at that time!
@@AutomotivePress Just eat lots of salmon instead of Big Macs and you will be fine. BTW I have a brilliant idea on how WE can get non-North American models into the country for extremely exclusive Automotive Press testing . I will send you a note ;-)
@@rightlanehog3151 Look forward to the note!
great video thank you for the update on the new 2022 Tundra, i worked with Volvo through the mid 80's to early 90's during their first generation turbo charging and was a learning curve and averaging about 100k miles, these turbos were only oil cooled and never really had a chance to cool down much, often the oil temp was higher than the coolant temp, 2nd generation the turbos were engineered with cooling passages from the engines cooling system and in testing globally the longevity was increased almost 5 fold and increased more with the introduction of an intercooler and 33 bhp increase with only miner fuel economy changes and all of the NA 4cyl engines and turbo 4's well outlasted Volvos 6 cyl engines easily , to this day there are many Volvo turbo intercooler 4 cyl engines running with over 600 or 700k kilometres so there is longevity intro engines, the biggest change today metallurgy for turbos and the bearings in them turbos now are almost 30% more efficient and smaller and make more power with less boost and last twice as long in many cases with lower EGT's also, Toyota tests for longer periods than most companies so they give the owner the utility and reliability that they look for from Toyota and this is why you'll see less of them having issues than allot of their competitors do, in the end it all comes down to what maintenance you as the owner does with the vehicle, regular oil changes and fallow the schedule that's given to you with your new vehicle, if you use it this way you will get a million miles, most of us won't see half of that and will want the next best thing in a car truck or SUV, any company can build a vehicle to last a million miles, the difference between Toyota and them is Toyota lives it, they do the R&D globally and then give it to the consumer German cars no longer dopa good example is Ford 3.5 EcoBoost engines troubles in the early years now there are lots running around with 25-300k miles on them and not been apart, all the V8's of the 50's and 60's needed valve jobs after 40-50k miles and got better when engineering technologies in a few years, its hard to say any new vehicle is bad they all run quite well with the ECU's in them, some have as many as 70 or 80 units in each vehicle the new Land Rover has an average over 70 in each vehicle that is crazy, that is just the way it is, this new engine will be a good, strong reliable power plant for the Tundra, most of you have to stop and just give it the chance 👍
Thank you for the information. You do need to proof read your submission.
I had a 1999 850 T5, I sold it to my friend whose uncle was a Volvo tech, the car still run till today, but she only uses it for short trip (one reason why I think the car still run). I thought oil fed turbo was a genius move. It will be interesting to on how Toyota cool their turbo new V6 in their Tundra.
We currently own 2016 F`150 with 2.7 ecoboost engine and so far 5 years and no problems. I have no issues with new turbo engines.
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That's why I bought the 3.5 eco boost, knew multiple friend that have that engine, have only smiles on their faces when they talk about it.
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I am a mechanical engineer too, from the Aerospace Industry; Toyota or not, I don’t believe him. The materials are not there for those turbos to last a 1,000,000 miles. Sales pitch.
Scotty Killmer needs to see this!! he doesn't like turbos on engines, because they shorten their lives!!!!
Scotty Killmer is a click bait shill. If anybody takes anything he says seriously then they deserve whatever mess that gets them in
If Scooty were right about ANYTHING, then Ford, GM, Chrysler, AND NOW TOYOTA would either already be out of business or will be before the end of next year. I watch him for laughs.
Turbo's don't "short the engine's life" unless you neglect maintenance. Turbo's are more demanding -- just like a diesel is more demanding. Skip, or cheapen up on the maint and you'll have a mess on your hands, turbo gas engine or any diesel whether the diesel has a turbo or not.
@@glenatgoogle4393 I mean that’s kinda exactly what he says u can’t lack on maintenance like NA engines that being said the fact a lot of companies do make shity engine and shity turbo design combinations is another topic.
I think he secretly drives a Tesla.
I've seen this mistake many times with many different technologies. Continuous operation in a lab does not necessarily translate to long life in the customers hands. It is possible to simulate real world conditions, starts, stops, hot, cold, rpms up and down, etc etc. Many manufacturers don't do this. They rely on the "continuous on" testing to prove how reliable their products are. I'm hoping Toyota is smarter than that, but I won't hold my breathe....
Totally agree with you
100% agree. Hey Toyota, would you like to address how many 'rust belt' specific issues the Tundra has had over the years? What, don't they salt the roads in your endurance laboratory? Let's see the 'Tow it from Phoenix to Flagstaff simulation'.
Yes! Watch the first series of these get plagued with issues like every car that goes into production. The first three years almost always come with the most issues because of real condition usage.
We knew Toyota was going to mass produce a v6 twin turbo long ago with their test bed at Le Mans, with a successful victory at that. Still, even with more advanced technology today I don't think a turbocharged engine will last as long as a naturally aspirated engine.
With the hundreds of millions of dollars involved in developing a truck and powertrain you can bet the powertrain has been tested all over the world in 2nd gen Tundras or other Toyota trucks in severe duty. Their reputation for reliability was earned.
Any commute vehicle long distance from A to B. Many from different auto manufacturers run in the excess of 1-2 million miles. One Volvo reaches 3 million miles. Google it.
The tundra v8 is a workhorse and was smooth, economical and powerful. Less cylinder pressures, less complexity etc. Ive owned both and if reliability was my main focus(which it is nowadays) then I'd choose naturally aspirated ALL DAY LONG. Bring back the v8 but do a hydrogen one maybe!?
There is just no hydrogen infrastructure set up and to make hydrogen clean with electrolysis is extremely inefficient.
My 3.5 ecoboost lasted a whopping 14k miles before cylinder failure and new short block needed. Thats why i drive a 5.7 aTundra now. I ll give Toyota time to work out bugs before i upgrade
Amen
Ford still can't figure out trim pieces, dashboards, roof rails, paint etc. Why they would be able to get a decent turbo motor together is beyond me..
@@saisr1 my f150 I had and my sons both had warped dashes.
Sure, I have a 3.5 EB and have 4 different friends with them none of us have had issues with our 3.5's. I have two friends that have used Tundras the got them cheap because the previous owners got tired of the dismal mpg's. Ford's new 7.3L V8 in a 3/4 ton truck achieves significantly better mpg's than Toyota's 5.7.
@@Steve-yr5vi was not my experience at all. Like I said new piston skirt at 14,000 miles and the service at the dealership shameful
Thank you for the detailed info. I’m looking forward to putting at least 200k miles on my new ‘22 Platinum when it finally becomes available.
I'd like to point out that my 1997 T100 has none of the exciting features of a modern truck. All this poor relation can claim is 442k miles, no leaks or problems with the original 3.4 engine, and 26mpg combined. Boy, do I ever need a new truck that costs the moon.
26mpg combined? You must drive like a 90 year old grandma
@@soapmaker2263 I drive like I want another 442k.
@@wtsane5449 I didn’t even know that kind of mpg was possible in a T100. I’ve got an FJ40 still going with the original 2F. No matter how I drive it, it gets 10-12 mpg.
@@soapmaker2263 I have a couple of unnatural advantages. I live in Florida (flat, sea level), and I have a camper shell, which adds about 1mpg.
I've got a 1997 T100 4WD. NEVER have I seen 26mpg. Not even on the highway.
I grew up on Toyota's. Corolla, Tercel, R22 mini truck. Then drove a 3 year old Buick hand-me-down for a few years. Complete disaster. Bad auto transmission lockup pin, heater core leaked, ABS malfunctioned all before 100k miles. After I started making some decent money. I bought an Infiniti G35 thinking it was going to be much better than the Skylark. It was, but not by much. Bad seat switches, bad control arm bushings, leaking shocks, and it kept eating oil. Bought the 2016 Tacoma (1st year). Just paid it off. Not one problem. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
u paid it off in 1 year?
Same here. 2016 trd dc. Great truck
Nope. The laws of physics rule. The v6 can’t compete with v8 if the same level of quality is used in both.
Mechanic who works on these TTv6 from the Lexus mentioned in earlier vids that they’re not reliable. Let’s see who’s actually right.
The REAL important issue is whether or not the dash will hold up to UV for 100 years. (I can't believe the guy would bring up something so off topic and then spend that much time on it.)
@@ConsoleCombat In the US, unless the vehicle is 8500gvw or greater (3/4 ton trucks and up) diesels are virtually against the law (not actually against the law, but virtually --- thank VW's emissions cheating for at least some of that).
@@glenatgoogle4393 so what’s the VW emissions story?
I'm watching this in 2024... Who remembers the engines blowing up? 😂
I remember when Toyota got into the half ton market and people were saying "well Toyota has never had a full size V8 truck, it won't last"..... These are the same people now doubting this TT engine.
How well did those rusty frames hold up? lol
@@dude-yg9ez is this about Toyota or Ford?
@@dude-yg9ez did Ford have to settle a class action lawsuit for rusty frames?
@@brianthompson9485 oh that happened recently? What happened afterwards?
Plenty of examples of high mileage Tundras so I'd say the truck fared well. My brother's 2006 has no frame issues and we live in Utah where we get snow and shit loads of salt on the road.
I don't believe you. Turbos stress out engines. I'll gladly retain my naturally aspirated V-8 and V-6.
Let's not forget that this Tundra may be a hybrid. The electric motors will play crucial part on making up the power gap between v6 and v8. We all know Toyota is the king of hybrid technology and it could potentially be the secret sauce in making the engine lasts 1 million miles.
The "power gap" is that the NA V8 makes LESS power than the 3.5L V6 turbo. The Tundra 5.7L V8 is rated 381hp/401 tq. The standard 3.5L V6 turbo in the Ford is rated 400hp/500 tq with the HP variant rated 450hp/510 tq. I'm pretty sure that Toyota is shooting for 410-425 hp, 475-500 tq. (FWIW the 3.5L turbo V6 in the GT supercar is rated 647hp / 550 tq.)
But what about 2 million? The V8s Toyota on tundra that hit a million miles was torn down for evaluation. Toyota said the engine was good for another MILLION miles. Shit the V8s can probably go 3!!
@@andrespatino2761 It will take 50 years to reach 1million miles if you drive 20k/year. I think that's good enough for 90% of the people out there.
No doubt it is a good engine, but let's not forget to highlight that when side by side it is unlikely that the v6 will last as long as the V8 under normal to heavy use. Not possible to have a smaller engine produce more power with less wear.
Yes it is possible. I can think of a dozen examples.
It’s totally possible lol.
I see your point. But use synthetic oil and change it regularly and your turbo V6 Tundra engine will outlast everything else in the truck and likely you and me 😂
Yes, it’s very possible to do better with less.
Well said Sean. Not only that don't forget that Toyota tries to tell you that you don't need to change your oil but every 10,000 miles...if all you do is drive highway miles. (mega eye roll). Bottom line 5,000-7,500 miles max on 0w-20.
Im not disappointed the V8 is gone. The V8 is the reason i never picked up a Tundra. People say mpg’s dont matter but they do. Also upgraded tech. Theres a reason the Tundra never out sold the big 3. Reliability is not everything in a world where most people dont keep their vehicles for more than 4-6 years. But if you add reliability to style, tech and great mpg’s? Thats when you have peoples attention. This new Tundra will have all 4 and will out sale the old Tundra easily. Tundra V8 buyers are a small market and Toyota knows this, they also know that they will give in eventually and pick up a new Tundra as well.
Okay I've been on the *"Scotty Kilmer's"* channel & he doesn't answer the question : will my 2010 Tacoma the big V6 engine, be a larger engine than the one they're talking about that will be in the 2022 Tundra ?
Let’s keep in mind that the biggest depreciating asset that people own is their vehicle. You say reliability isn’t everything however Toyota’s reliability is the single biggest factor as to why you can resell these vehicles at close to or above market value when they are used.
Electronics and upgraded trim levels are not as important as you think they are. The reality is that those features do not add value to a vehicle. Over time all cars end up having improved tech and materials regardless.
So if Toyota is going to ditch the V8 then this V6 better be an improvement on all fronts. Whether you like it or not that old V8 was tried and true. And played a big part in the tundra doing as well as it has done.
Also side note smaller engine on a bigger truck doesn’t mean better mpg. On paper it might but in the real world it doesn’t. My 4cyl Tacoma gets terrible gas mileage I fell into that mpg trap myself and wish I would’ve just went with the V6. Especially since having the truck I now tow a lot more than I used to. And the truck struggles, it’s not comfortable doing so even though on paper it can.
@@lightskinninja9340 Problem with the older Tundra was there is not a lot of things that will cause the masses to over look the MPG’s. Theres reliability, but thats it. For instance look at ford, most people look past their problems because it comes with new tech and features. Where as the Tundra all you get is reliability. At some point it becomes boring. This is not the 90’s, 80’s, 70’s, 60’s ect ect…. Where a truck is supposed to be simple just to get the job done. Now days 80% of people use their trucks for non truck things lol. This is why the Tundra loses in sales. And i sold my 2017 Tacoma with a 4” lift 6months ago, i was still getting 22-24mpgs on it. Which is worth it. As for reliability with Toyota as a whole? The reliability aspect of a Tundra does not matter cause its so outdated. Everything else is not outdated and thats why they sell good. Im not bashing on the Toyota Tundra, this is just my opinion as to why it does not sell as much. But i will be getting the all new Tundra and my gf will be getting the new Highlander XSE💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 Here in Hawaii Toyotas are Royalty so im not hating at all.
@@rulerofall2320 I agree Toyota’s very late to the party when it comes to innovation. But at this point that’s kind of their identity.
They are very much an “if it’s not broken don’t fix it” kind of company. Which is why I don’t think they would change things up unless they where very confident in what they can bring out.
They may not out sale the competition but they aren’t doing bad by any means.
I’ll Trust the Engineers who designed the engine more than a Mechanic with outdated knowledge.
Trust the engineer who builds them or the mechanic who fixes them?
2 years later and these engines are known to blow up before 40k. A lot of spun bearing issues, lol.
manufacturing plant defect, not engine design defect
Engines are know to blow up before 40k? Damn dude... do you know how many have blown up? Cause mine is a 22 with 40k now. And everything is OK lol. Let me guess. It's gonna happen soon right? I don't see toyota having 1% of failures in all the new gen tundras out there. 1% still bad but better than every other brand on the full size pick up world. Just saying
@@blinkguy4ever I mean I hope that your Tundra is fine because it's your hard earned money but it really is interesting why Tundra owners all over are reporting this specific issue with spun main bearings at such early mileage. The car guy online has a video about it that summarizes the issue in his channel if you're interested in watching.
@@blinkguy4ever search up 24TA07 and that's all you need to know. Good luck with your Tundra. 😅
@@Richrad91OZ-bk5luI think we're all gonna be fine. That's why I buy toyota. No BS like the big 3
Ill eat my shoe if any of these engines make it to even half a million
Im curious to see how long this truck lasts towing a trailer or going over mountain passes, with heavy turbo use! 🤔
Toyota has been testing heavily loaded 2022 Tundras this summer high in the Colorado Rockies: th-cam.com/video/C96T2wYS8vw/w-d-xo.html
If it dont last, Toyota wouldn't release it!
@@4af
This summer?
It will take about 5 turbos to be replaced to get to 1 million miles.
I’ve always thought this about Toyota ,Honda generators. Unlike GM ,Ram ,Ford ,we test them and they are in the parts business 😂👍
Well I guess that's your opinion. You stated that they did over a million miles of testing on this new motor, and took it to engine failure, then why wasn't the wastegate issue discovered in all that testing. The V8 engine is naturally aspirated no need for extra plastic parts that corroid and become brittle with time, or have to extra radiators to cool turbos the 5.7 ltr motor is a work horse, there is a gentleman that just sold his million mile tundra back to Toyota so they could tear the engine and tranny down to see where the major issues were....the biggest issue was driver seat wear. I'm old enough to know that when you apply extra pressure to something it wears out faster.
Toyota wanted the million mile truck not to look for weak spots for improvement. They want to make sure they don't make em that good . They going to cut back and make them cheaper.
Didnt age well
A million miles at highway speeds. Turbos will have to be replaced every 175000 miles
Time will tell. I think the fuel mileage improvement will be a good balance. Have a 2014 Toyota Highlander with the basic 3.5 litre V6 and it runs like new 350,000 kms. Not turbo charged but alot of development goes into these things. Hoping to check them out. Liked the 4.7 V8 which was dropped after 2019 year I believe.
Are you giving this figure for all turbos? If so my F350 with 400,000 miles and stock turbos begs to differ..
We have exclusively own Toyota vehicle for 45-years for the very reasons this automotive engineered stated, I have had three Camrys roll 500,000 miles, Supra hit 400,000 miles, Celica GTS hit 450,000 miles and my Regular Cab Red Tundra SR5 with the 5.7L (4.79 sec 0-60) hit 475,000 miles but best of all our 1984 Camry Le hit 845,000 and when we sold it, truly we take extreme care of our vehicle, the 1984 Camry LE look so outstanding and in perfect condition with that many miles we sold it for $3000. So yes we are now fully excited for the new Tundra, our last three were superb trucks so can't wait to get this new 2022!
I have to disagree. Running on a dyno does not simulate time over time. Part of an engine's demise is the heating/cooling cycles and acid load in the oil degrading the internals. This is something that cannot be tested except with the passing of time. I am not saying the engine is not good, but I think going with this configuration in the new Tundra is not the best idea.
Just remember the Toyota oil sluding engine, that obviously got past the super "testing" they did.....
And truck frame rot. And late '80's head gaskets on the V6 (in the Camry).
11 years I lived in Japan, my 91 Forerunner was a Turbo, so was my Skyline, and my Jimmy (Suzuki Samurai). Turbos are the BEST
Having owned turbo engines several times, my experience has me saying BS to a turbo charged engine being as reliable. This is going in a truck, not a sedan. I will never own another turbo charged engine in a truck again.
I too have owned a ton of turbo engines. Turbo 4cyls, twin and single turbo in-line 6s, twin turbo v6s, and twin turbo v8s. There are plenty of unreliable turbocharged engines out there. However I can’t think of a single engine that’s unreliable simply because it’s turbocharged. Usually it’s one of two things, proper maintenance not performed, or a design flaw in the engine itself. Some of the MOST reliable engines ever produced are turbocharged (diesels).
I’ve owned several turbo engine cars and trucks. I’ve had ZERO turbo related issues even after 100K miles.
@@MrBigBoy4Life you have been fortunate. 🙂
Could you share what brand truck you had w/ a turbo? Always like to hear good or bad about specific engines etc?
@@scottroseberry7322 I was unfortunate enough to have the F350 with the 6.0, and I also had an Eco Boost (3.5). The 6.0 was junk, which everyone came to realize, and the EB was a decent commuter, but had severe overheating issues. It was also too under powered to use as an actual truck. I drive an Econoline van for work with the twin turbos. Huge pile of junk. I have also owned two Duramax diesels, which I had far fewer problems with, but cost a small fortune to maintain.
I simply don't believe the turbos can last as long as the engine itself. It will be a major expense to replace them. The V8 could last almost as long as you want it to.....not so with the turbo.
Everything you said is all well and good, but you can't beat the V8 sound, also the one issue that Ford has with it's twin turbos is the engine actually burns more fuel while under loaded conditions than the V8.
And yet they call it an 'ecoboost'. What ppl dknt realize is yes these smaller tt engines might be getting better mpg, but that's because they're final results are comparable if u were to baby drive them in the city and hwy. But in the real world where ppl will most likely hit the gas pedal more to accelerate faster or to tow, they will in most cases get worse fuel economy with more strain upon the engine than with a na engine. Yes some to small engines are durable but thats not the norm
If you tow a lot then get a large NA engine or diesel..
I bet 70% of half tons don’t tow, ever. . My V8 tundra was terrible on gas when towing, snd my new 3.5 tt tundra is terrible when towing. If I towed “all the time” Id buy a big diesel. But then you also spend more on the truck..
So really.. what is the point to your post??
@@stephan5026 my point being is that every car company is all about turbos, which I stated burns more fuel when under load, also it wears out the engines faster. I do agree if towing heavy loads all the time get a diesel, but for the weekend warrior's like myself who tow toys the V8 is a better choice, and still get an average of 19 combined when commuting, without spending a fortune on a diesel which I do not need.
@@micahott1859Well stated.
@@blackice7408 As a Ford F-150 owner I agree with the remarks regarding the Ecoboost. That’s why I drive the 5.0.
The V35a is nothing compared to the 3UR. The title of this video is so misleading. I’m a Toyota tech myself
I still want nothing to do with a Turbo'ed engine a daily driver. It's just added complexity that I don't need in my vehicles.
I should have never switched to the GMC AT4 from my 2010 Tacoma ! 😭 I’ll be be getting the new Tundra.
Get an 18-21 you will be very happy. No Premium, Less Frequent oil changes, the engine is a beast. Awesome Truck seriously. Plus the headlights look the best to me in those models.
I have the 2019, 6.2L as well. Must have been built on a Friday. Nothing but problems.
All my family drive Toyota and Lexus (6) and the most high miles is 179.000 Tacoma 2013 & 150.000 Tundra 2012. The most I like is air conditioning “ít very very goooooood” 👍
I have 99 4runner and still runs like it’s new but I just cannot wait for the 2023 4runner to be released can’t wait to put my hands on em!!
Are they putting the twin turbo v6 in the 4 Runner? I thought it was a 2.0L 4 cylinder. No more V6.
Yea I think they putting 4cyl with turbo tho
@@stickfiggas22 I hope not. I’m out.
I’m going with the 2022 4Rnr this round. It’s solid and maybe a cool flaming ☀️ sun orange will be available on the TRD PRO by 2025 😂
V6 tt only replaces the v8(tundra,sequoia and landcruiser). I would prefer the Tacoma over 4runner, unless you're going for that 3rd row. You get that bed from the Tacoma!
Case in point: Porsche Cayenne turbo is way less reliable and more expensive to maintain. You think Porsche doesn't test their engines too? These are costs from every day users, not people racing these cars. The turbo engines have more issues, cost more to keep, and don't last as long. I don't think Porsche is running 30 year old tech either...
This video (th-cam.com/video/zkcCU2_iPI0/w-d-xo.html) has less of a "fanboy" take, and addresses real concerns. Running an engine nonstop is ideal for turbos, it is starting and stopping that kills it. Also makes no sense with a mild hybrid system. Cold weather is also an issue.
Now I know why my headlights are all foggy looking after just ten years, testing, testing and more testing?
headlights on my 2011 tundra look like new, i wash my truck often though
@@Emerica1793 haha nigel you been washing your truck?
Well... it yust depends on, jow u treat your car men. If you treat it like those aggressive German peasant pinkys here in old Europe, then you may are disappointed, that your tormented car will left its clear shiny headlights. Like the previous posts here already say...don't Park it lasy often in the sun, avoid a close bumoer drive to the next driver ahead....when the streets are dusty and dirty ect....
It depends on where you live and also if you're able to keep it out of sunlight (garage it) when possible. If you live near a place that has a lot of road debris, especially sand, you can count on the surface getting scratched and once that happens it's downhill from there. There are coatings on newer vehicles to help with oxidization but it doesn't matter. If the lens is exposed to micro scratches and it continues it will oxidize faster. Also, obviously some manufacturers are better than others.
Let's do some math: If we run an engine at a "highway speed" of 70 mph non-stop it will do 613 000 miles per year. So, to run it with oil changes and other maintenance/inspections it will take around 1.7 years for 1M miles and 8.5 years for 5M miles. Turbo engines don't like start/stop-cool/heat cycles. To properly test an engine with these real conditions engineers need to switch it off, let naturally cool down for a couple of hours and start again. It extends 1M mile testing to 5 years if everything works perfect. If something fails prematurely and they need to re-design and start testing again, this process will take easily a few decades. Has this engine been in development since late 90th then?
No turbos going to last 1 million miles without getting a rebuild.
yeah I just hope they make the turbos easy enough to service, without needing to pull the cab off for their replacement. Literally any engine is going to have turbo issues at some point, unless it is a really understressed and overbuilt set of turbos that they had from the factory, like those in some older diesel engines.
But these are micro turbos compared to those big diesel engine turbos. Every manufacturer has had trouble with small turbos, be it Mitsubishi, Ford, Volkswagen, BMW, GM, and I'm sure there are others
Agree,,,, but if i have to rebuild a turbo or replace a hybrid battery after 500,000 miles i can live with that.
People are finally starting to realize that design is only half the process, you actually have to manufacture a quality product.
I can’t wait to test the engine out. I tow regularly with heavy loads, hills, and long distances.
I had the LC300 for almost a week, it is definitely quicker than the 5.7 and the fuel consumption is amazing. The 10 speed it great for highways too.
I’m interested to see the towing mpg as these turbo charged V6s tend to get poorer miles per gallon than naturally aspirated V8s when towing.
Why not get a 3/4 or 1 ton truck if you're doing that?
Make sure it has a transmission fluid cooler. Make the service manager of the dealership point it out to you. I bought a 2019 Platinum Crewmax and the factory window sticker listed a transmission cooler under “Tow Package”. Except Toyota pulled a quiet cheap-ass stunt and deleted it from the truck. When I found out I was pissing napalm like hundreds of other customers that were shafted. I called Toyota, wrote letters, etc. and Toyota basically gave me the finger. Good luck with that twin turbo engine.
There is absolutely no way that adding additional high revolution parts will make it as durable, or more durable than the naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V8. And who knows if the true data has been made available to the public.
There is no replacement for displacement, especially in a truck where torque is needed.
Except the v6 makes more torque then the old v8 even without the hybrid
I have a hard time believing that Toyota is as thorough in their testing and quality control. Don’t get me wrong I’m a die hard Toyota fan, it’s all I’ll buy for the most part. But we are seeing components fail very early on these new trucks. I’m sure they’re better than American trucks but I think you’re exaggerating
The 2JZ GTE is a testament that turbocharged engines can be just as reliable as a naturally aspirated engine. Even at 1000 hp with the correct aftermarket parts, bolt torque, and tuning they will run forever. The 2JZ is one of my favorite turbocharged engines so are the Volvo red block i4 turbos, turbo i5s, and turbo i6s. As well as the Mitsubishi Mivec 2.0 turbo 4s and 3.0 twin turbo V6s.
2JZ GTE is a legendary engine, but it is also a heavy bulk piece of cast iron. Not the case with the all-aluminium Toyota twin-turbo V6.
@@artemzhirkov7565 The 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also all aluminum engines. The engine in the million-mile tundra is all aluminum as well.
@@davidperry4013 Yes but the 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also both natural aspirated.
@@davidperry4013 Yes but the 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also both natural aspirated.
People all bashed the former tundra for its fuel economy and dated interior. They try and give you better gas mileage, new interior and better performance yet people still complaining? Like spoil kids some people are all over the place when it comes to what they want but would expect QDR. I think they did an awesome job with the new tundra and it can only get better with time. All you V8 lovers remind me of my grandmother with the “back in my day” mindset need to know that the future is not waiting on you. Not saying I don’t like tundra v8 power but things always change over time and who not know that better than Toyota(largest manufacturer of vehicles in the world).
Great comment! I agree 100%!
I hope they would do same extensive testing on the paint , 1 coat of paint is just not enough, 🤔
Thank you David, i have a 2011 Tundra 5.7L V8 with 260,000 miles, will trade that one come March 2022 for the new Tundra. Nothing wrong with my current truck, i just wanted to try the new TTV6 engine.
They’ll have to rebuild the turbos as a PM every couple of hundred thousand miles at the most.
I don’t understand how a turbo could go 1,000,000 miles
My 87 Porsche Turbo has 325k miles. Never had to replace the turbo.
@@bngr_bngr how often you towing and hauling loads with your Porsche?
@@adamgarcia9839 how many times are you red lining the engine?
David, where are you? The Tundra engine recall was annouced last week and nothing from you on this subject?
Please watch my livestream posted recently - I talk about it there
I remember hearing on TH-cam a jeep mechanic felt the wrangler V6 should be able to do over 200,000 miles before having problems. First thought I had was “That’s all?” Non turbo V6? …..Just for comparison.
I'm still skeptical of the turbocharged V6. I'll be taking a "wait and see" approach because I've never heard of a reliable turbocharged engine.
That's understandable, but car companies all over the world have been turbo engines for decades with minimal issues in the last several years
@@AutomotivePress I hope that Toyota proves that my skepticism is misplaced, as their vehicles have never let me down. I drive a '14 Scion TC and my wife drives an '09 RAV4, and they've both been amazing. I'm looking into getting a truck when car prices come back down to humanoid levels, and I still haven't made up my mind whether it's going to be a Tundra or a Tacoma.
@@kwikrayv I suppose time will tell... anyhow, thank you very much for your comments.
@@AutomotivePress lol ford's burnt up turbos and blown engines by 150k mi would argue otherwise lol
@@stevemasterson7776 FORD
Your speech was very compelling, but I am not so easily persuaded unless you can explain what sort of improvements have been made in turbo systems that would make them last longer. I have seen 1000+ hp engines on NRE channel with glowing exhaust hold up for several minutes on the Dino, but you haven’t explained what Toyota has done to manage heat control which is what kills these engines and their components.
Semi trucks use turbos and run a million miles easily
@@TheRamGuy they’re also diesels.
@@TheRamGuy I think you mean million miles and yes the engines if not equipped with emissions equipment will do about 1.2million miles before needing a block rebuild. These are are not your power stroke v8 engines. They are 13-18 liters in-line 6 engines that only make 375 to 600hp unless you have a tuned 18 liter which can make 1000 hp. They are huge and have tons of oil like several gallons and gigantic fans. They are also simpler in design than modern engines except the for the def systems. That complexity reduces the life of these engines to about 1/4 of its reliability potential. You will still have to replace turbos on occasion depending on maintenance but you could see 175-200k if you take care of them. Part of the reason these engines last so long is they tend to have highway miles which is optimal for its design. When they are in idle or do off road that changes drastically. Even more so if there are other problems.
I understood that the "100 year equivalent of UV on the dash plastic" answered all questions. (As you caught, he offered near zero information about the turbo engine/system. Yes, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
@Josey Wales. You can’t compare a turbo diesel, with a gasoline engine that is turbo equipped. The diesels run at much lower rpms and the diesel fuel has a much higher compression ratio flash point that it has a much better thermal efficiency. (burns much cooler). Also all highway miles at steadier speeds.
This “engineer” doesn’t make much sense to me. Telling me this engine will last a million miles, if that was true it would come with a million mile warranty. I’ve got. 2007 tundra and the emissions cost a fortune to maintain, so when he tells me how these trucks are tested, I’ve got a hard time believing him.
Toyota complete missed the mark on this one. It gets an A+ in the looks department but people bought these because they were RELIABLE! It was reliable because it had a very simple bullet proof push rod V8 engine that was very easy to work on when it did break. Now they put a complex twin turbo set up into it. More complexity means more room for something to break, and much higher repair bills totalling it out much sooner then the previous models. Most people that buy a full size truck do not care about getting an extra 2-3 mpgs.
The 5.7 V8 wasn't pushrod.
Yes thanks to the elites pushing this green energy and wanting to go electric. This isn't the Toyota that I know. The Toyota I know sacrifices MPG for rigidness and reliability.
Been driving Toyota since 2014 and owned 3 different Toyotas.
They want us to go electric so they can control us. So we can't escape into the mountains/woods when shit hits the fan. Elon musk has the capability to hit a kill switch on his electric vehicles. They tried to make him do to to the Russians for the invasion.
@@mack86523 4.7L V8 is the best engine.
Then why not give a 10 yr 100,000 mile warranty ? If its so reliable
I know the new engine is going to be a beast, but I want the 5.7. I was waiting for the new tundra, but I’m not liking the looks of the exterior and interior. Friday I ended up buying a 2021. Love the V8 sound.
The reveal is on 9/19.
Yeah, I rather have v8 too, I could still twin turbo that v8
Yeah....it's 2022 and imma stick with older Toyotas. These new ones aren't built the same. Buying me an 08 09 Toyota soon. These older Toyotas can last 25 years minimum.
I have a 5.7 v8 crew max 2011, I won't think about buying a tundra until 2030
If you Tow you get shit HOT. Heat is what kills longevity.
This is why Toyota needs to reinstall the tow package trans coolers, ambiant air temps combined with towing up grades, it needs the aux cooler period.
Ok I agree with some of your statements but I must disagree with you. You over exaggerate how much testing Toyota does on there vehicles and I will even go further and say they have not taken into a complaint that I personally made almost 7 years ago. I currently have a business that i have run for more than 22 years. I always buy tundras. I run them for between 150k-300k miles. I always have/own a minimum of 4-5 tundras at any one time. I own 4 right now. Do you know what the weak link is and always has been? The brakes! That’s right the brakes, its a known problem by any mechanic that works on these trucks. When I called Toyota they acted like they never heard of the problem and obviously haven’t upgraded them. The brakes last me on average about 10-15k miles and you have to buy new rotors each time. This gets expensive. For the millionth time, upgrade the brakes on these trucks and/or offer an upgrade for people that want that. I do use these trucks to carry things. It’s not used as a car. Make it a bit more heavy duty. The rotors easily warp causing the steering wheel to shake. I’m driving a tundra right now and guess what the steering wheel shakes. So much for as you say extensive testing and customer feedback. I suggest you scale back your marketing propaganda campaign for Toyota as it’s not 100 percent accurate. I wish it was.
Under light loads a 6 cylinder Turbo may last, but under heavy loads and frequent towing how can a 6 cylinder be as durable as an 8 cylinder, it has to work harder, run hotter, simple physics.
@@charlesjackson1700 yeah rough ride unless hauling something.
Ever heard of building it durable? That's why it will be fine
It takes "X" amount of energy to move any given "heavy load". The load doesn't care if the engine is a V6 or a V8, NA or forced induction. Assuming the overall efficiency is equal (or nearly so as indicated by fuel consumption) then the ENERGY IN, minus efficiency losses, must equal ENERGY OUT. Volumetric efficiency shows that a boosted engine is more efficient. This is one reason diesel's are more efficient than gassers.
So in the end the 6 turbo does not "work harder", it performs the same amount of work as a NA V8, to move the same load. You mention "hotter", the removal of heat is what coolers/radiators are for. Physics is your friend.
Most of these light trucks carry nothing heavier than a few bags of fertilizer or bags of golf clubs. I was just heartened to hear this engineer state that it wasn't necessary to idle these engines after long runs unlike other turbos. Buyers will have to be more diligent with maintenance unlike the virtual 'drive it and forget it' V8's.
@@johnwilliamson2707 Most Toyota buyers actually service their vehicles at the dealer unlike the big 3 who only go to Jiffy Lube.....
My biggest concern is the repair cost increase from a non-turbo to a turbo engine. There seems to be more parts and systems to replace as they wear out over time.
Same concern here.
I don't think you need to worry about that. A turbocharged engine is not that different than a normal naturally aspirated. Heck, the components that have broken on my VW Beetle Turbo 2.0 TSI are non-turbo components, and the damage is because of the fact that it's a VW with cheap parts. I'm pretty sure the cost of repair shouldn't increase, at least not as much as you would think. I haven't spent more on my Turbo Beetle repairs than my parents have on their naturally aspirated Mitsubishis. And the Beetle is over 10 years old.
it will cost a lot more. The turbo is 5k+ just for the part. From what I gather, the entire cab has to come off to replace it. Of course that alone will cost a lot....
FYI
They are having problems with the 3.5 twin turbo’s
In the middle east, several have been documented with engine rebuilds or blown engines at 60 K miles.
I understand the v6 is reliable. But when I spend my money I like to purchase what I like. I don't like the drive characteristics of a turboed v6. I like v8s in trucks.
Yes thanks to the elites pushing this green energy and wanting to go electric. This isn't the Toyota that I know. The Toyota I know sacrifices MPG for rigidness and reliability.
Been driving Toyota since 2014 and owned 3 different Toyotas.
They want us to go electric so they can control us. So we can't escape into the mountains/woods when shit hits the fan. Elon musk has the capability to hit a kill switch on his electric vehicles. They tried to make him do to to the Russians for the invasion.
So what's the resource (how many miles that 3.5 engine will work that engine without break down ) of 3.5 twin turbo toyota?
Had this been out in 2019 when I bought my 3.5 ecoboost, I might have just went with the Toyota even though I've been a Ford fan my whole life. Toyota makes solid vehicles. We chose a Highlander over the Explorer and have been very happy with it the past three years
"a million miles with no problem"...ok, right...lets see Toyota back that with a million mile drive train warranty then.
I m also an engineer, more parts equals greater entropy, no way around it
Amazing how well this applies to so many things. Great comment
Don't forget there are fewer parts in a 6 cylinder vs an 8 cylinder. A partial list. 8 fewer valves, 16 fewer valve keepers, 8(?) fewer valve springs, 8 fewer valve seals, 2 fewer pistons, 2 fewer wrist pins, 2 fewer connecting rods, 4 fewer connecting rod bearing halves, 10(?) piston rings (assume 3 pcs oil control rings), 4 (or maybe 8) fewer cam followers, 2(?) fewer spark plugs, 2 fewer coils (assume Coil-on-plug), 4 (or maybe 8) rocker arms (unless they're using DAMB type arrangement -- then fewer buckets and shims. Possibly fewer bearings associated with the OHC, but I don't know about Toyota's arrangement there, so maybe not. If the wrist pins are full floating, then circlips would be fewer. Is there a bearing in the small end of the connecting rod?? some engine have them, some do not.
That’s why I’m a fan of inline engines. Not only do they have less components but also are a bit easier to work on when in the vehicle.
@@glenatgoogle4393 good point Glen, but the list of parts for two turbos, along with as David mentioned an aux oil pumping system, and a slew of extra sensors and electronics ... as David said, better not skimp on maintenance, and let s not forget the new tranny with extra gears
Well, this video is not aging really well