They were in advanced negotiations with LG Chem, but it’s gone very quiet. I believe the talks were not successful, so they have to stick with the original specifications agreed with LG. It could still happen, but feels a lot less likely now than it did a year ago.
I agree with mid-life changes to batteries, motors etc, however, I feel we will also see a 800v system too being introduced too. If you're rewiring a system, you might aswell change it all. The system will also I expect be carried to other models.
I’m not so sure about the 800V architecture. I hope you’re right, but suspect possibly not for the I-Pace. Other Jags on the new platform might go 800V though. And if we ever get a full Mk 2 I-Pace then I could see 800V. But a midlife facelift with 800V would be unlikely I think. That’s just instinct speaking though so you could well be right. And I hope you are!
@@AbuDhabiDude I will say one thing, it will be a very sad to see the I-Pace stop production one day. Literally I turn heads daily, even now. It's a design classic. The front air intake and bonnet design should be retained across Jaguar designs.
Likewise. I’ve really connected with my car in a rare way. It genuinely makes me smile every single time. And like you say, I see it getting a lot of attention. It’s a real design classic and I hope it has a long future. But I think the whole “platform” concept could be its undoing. I hope to be wrong.
Ref Gridserve and the exercise bikes. They confirmed with Fully Charge that they were indeed connected, so a tiny bit of power is going back into cars.
Thanks Martin! I wasn’t sure if they’d ever implemented that but I remembered them touting it back in the early days. I think that’s absolutely awesome! 😎
Personally speaking as someone who came from Mercedes after 17 years straight of ownership, I'm seeing almost a mirroring of a problem they faced. Mercedes had a similar issue with volume as cars had started to rise in price but they also had an older audience. They realised that they needed a smaller car, to bring younger customers in, but almost bring the cost down on the parts bin to share across many of the models. Personally I think Jaguar needs a smaller car, A-Class competition, for almost the same reasons that Mercedes did, to compete with the 1 Series from BMW.
Good point Martin. A lower priced entry model provides exposure and also an entry level vehicle which allows them to introduce younger customers to the brand. Gives them a chance to build customer loyalty and for customers to work their way up the range as their financial situation (hopefully) improves as they move through life!
Land/range rover are of course having to compete with the American electric offerings due to their market. Going full electric will be better soon sooner than later. Rivian, Tesla, Nikola, GM, Ford are already making moved with pickups which is close to SUV level of tech. JLR will need to compete. On a side note Rangerovers are known for poor reliability, is this an opportunity for electrification to reset there reliability reputations?
All good points. Completely agree that the large utility vehicle segment seems to be rapidly heading towards full electrification. Another good reason why The LR side of the business needs to get moving. If my I-Pace experience is anything to go by, you could well be right about this being a chance to improve the public perception of their reliability.
You can’t compare a converted and bespoke electric conversion with an assembly line production vehicle! In fairness, it would be a disaster for Jaguar to NOT go all electric since they have 9 years before they have to in their primary market. 14 years max in most other markets. It’s an inevitability in many ways, so I feel it’s better for them to embrace it.
You do realise any manufacturer that wishes to sell a car in large slices of the world in 10 years must be electric? It takes at least 5 years to get a car from paper to showroom, they and others literally need to be starting now, hence why JLR and Ford within 24 hours of each others announced full electric futures.
@@AbuDhabiDude Your video mentioned how this process will raise the price point. Jaguar is known for quality. Tesla is a plastic car. The higher price point will be a disaster for Jaguar.
I think you misunderstood what we were saying. The rising price point wasn’t coming from the electrification process but from Thierry’s statement that Jaguar would switch to a low volume manufacture model. That’s the part that makes us nervous for the pricing structure. Electrification in itself will be unlikely to cause higher prices than ICE by 2025.
The 12v battery in my electric MX5 is 4 * lifepo4 cells and they are charged by a 600w inverter.
Brilliant! I really love that car!
Any news/rumours of BMS updates to pre-MY21 models? Seem to recall this was rumoured for a while (pre-COVID), just to speed things up a little.
They were in advanced negotiations with LG Chem, but it’s gone very quiet. I believe the talks were not successful, so they have to stick with the original specifications agreed with LG. It could still happen, but feels a lot less likely now than it did a year ago.
I agree with mid-life changes to batteries, motors etc, however, I feel we will also see a 800v system too being introduced too. If you're rewiring a system, you might aswell change it all. The system will also I expect be carried to other models.
I’m not so sure about the 800V architecture. I hope you’re right, but suspect possibly not for the I-Pace. Other Jags on the new platform might go 800V though. And if we ever get a full Mk 2 I-Pace then I could see 800V. But a midlife facelift with 800V would be unlikely I think. That’s just instinct speaking though so you could well be right. And I hope you are!
@@AbuDhabiDude I will say one thing, it will be a very sad to see the I-Pace stop production one day. Literally I turn heads daily, even now. It's a design classic. The front air intake and bonnet design should be retained across Jaguar designs.
Likewise. I’ve really connected with my car in a rare way. It genuinely makes me smile every single time. And like you say, I see it getting a lot of attention. It’s a real design classic and I hope it has a long future. But I think the whole “platform” concept could be its undoing. I hope to be wrong.
Ref Gridserve and the exercise bikes. They confirmed with Fully Charge that they were indeed connected, so a tiny bit of power is going back into cars.
Thanks Martin! I wasn’t sure if they’d ever implemented that but I remembered them touting it back in the early days. I think that’s absolutely awesome! 😎
Personally speaking as someone who came from Mercedes after 17 years straight of ownership, I'm seeing almost a mirroring of a problem they faced. Mercedes had a similar issue with volume as cars had started to rise in price but they also had an older audience. They realised that they needed a smaller car, to bring younger customers in, but almost bring the cost down on the parts bin to share across many of the models. Personally I think Jaguar needs a smaller car, A-Class competition, for almost the same reasons that Mercedes did, to compete with the 1 Series from BMW.
Good point Martin. A lower priced entry model provides exposure and also an entry level vehicle which allows them to introduce younger customers to the brand. Gives them a chance to build customer loyalty and for customers to work their way up the range as their financial situation (hopefully) improves as they move through life!
Land/range rover are of course having to compete with the American electric offerings due to their market. Going full electric will be better soon sooner than later. Rivian, Tesla, Nikola, GM, Ford are already making moved with pickups which is close to SUV level of tech. JLR will need to compete. On a side note Rangerovers are known for poor reliability, is this an opportunity for electrification to reset there reliability reputations?
All good points. Completely agree that the large utility vehicle segment seems to be rapidly heading towards full electrification. Another good reason why The LR side of the business needs to get moving. If my I-Pace experience is anything to go by, you could well be right about this being a chance to improve the public perception of their reliability.
It would be a disaster for Jaguar to go all electric. The electric e type is 500,000 pounds!
You can’t compare a converted and bespoke electric conversion with an assembly line production vehicle! In fairness, it would be a disaster for Jaguar to NOT go all electric since they have 9 years before they have to in their primary market. 14 years max in most other markets. It’s an inevitability in many ways, so I feel it’s better for them to embrace it.
You do realise any manufacturer that wishes to sell a car in large slices of the world in 10 years must be electric? It takes at least 5 years to get a car from paper to showroom, they and others literally need to be starting now, hence why JLR and Ford within 24 hours of each others announced full electric futures.
@@AbuDhabiDude Your video mentioned how this process will raise the price point. Jaguar is known for quality. Tesla is a plastic car. The higher price point will be a disaster for Jaguar.
I think you misunderstood what we were saying. The rising price point wasn’t coming from the electrification process but from Thierry’s statement that Jaguar would switch to a low volume manufacture model. That’s the part that makes us nervous for the pricing structure. Electrification in itself will be unlikely to cause higher prices than ICE by 2025.
@@AbuDhabiDude Ok. Let's see who is right. lol