I think Loretta is either the mother of Ben, Dickie, or Tobort, (as a supposed twist) white writers love to use bi racials as a gotchya aka Spiderman: Homecoming. The biracials watching are like "well I could have told you that lol." I think Ben and Dickie (not his brother) are lovers and that is he who he is talking in the video. And Dickie is potentially the killer. If she is the mother of Tobert, I'm not sure why she has the scrapbook unless she is defo the mother of Dickie instead. I don't believe that Ben and Dickie are brothers. Perhaps, Loretta and Dickie killed him. One tries to poison him, but is unsuccesful, and then the other finishes the job. As son or mother.
She's most definitely somebody's mother lol... Ben? Ben and his identical twin? Ben and Dickie? Ben, an identical twin, and Dickie? Ben and Dickie and Tobert? Lol...
So, here's my theory about who the killer is. It's a bit far out, but I think it also works, at this point. There is already a 'twin' in the show that people are missing. It's Sazz. She's Charles' 'twin'. I think she's the killer. She sees herself as almost an appendage of Charles, and she dresses like him and acts like him. She's his 'stand in' and body double. Ben was giving Charles a hard time, even being threatening towards him. So...what if it was Sazz who bought the hanky on eBay, because she wanted one to wear one like Charles, and also thinking she was going to be his understudy. what if she knew Ben was causing trouble for Charles, and maybe she'd even worked with Ben before and also hated him. It would have been easy for her to sneak up on Ben with her head bowed down, he would have thought it was Charles. Then she pushes him into the elevator shaft. This way, she gets rid of a problem for Charles, and if she's convicted of murder, ends up in prison with the woman she loves. She even says at one point that there's not much you can do through a plexiglass barrier. Sazz is the killer 'twin'. It's an interesting twist on Vertigo. She's in a suit like Jimmy Stewart, but a blonde woman like Kim Novack.
I'm not sure about Loretta having a twin, given that Oliver looks at a picture of her as a child with her mom and she's the only girl in the picture. But maybe that was a deflection?@@felinetherapy4782
Totally agree, the timing of zaz’s first appearance immediately made me suspicious because she’s the kind of character that people will easily overlook because of her comic relief. But the link to Jan and the twin/double observation is a good one. I’m with you, I think there’s going to be a way-out-there ending to make up for the one dimensional Becky Butler ending that really doesn’t even make sense.
Hehe thanks for the shout out! I agree with you!! 🙌 my dad actually pointed that out! The book, It could be about Dickie for sure, even the written article mentioned ‘someone close to the star said…’ or ‘staff of the star is quoted saying…’ maybe she kept them assuming it was Dickie and wanted to hear his voice through the article! Maybe Ben called her a snake because he thought she was gonna steal Dickie from him, especially if you consider he wouldn’t even give the number of his fitness coach to anyone, but really Loretta is just trying to get close to her son, Dickie. Dickie push Ben to protect his mom??
I wonder if Tobert is getting close to Mabel as a way of getting information from her about the murder and to use this to produce a new documentary on Ben's death seeing that his other documentary fell through.
@@BecauseImFreddie I guess anything possible, but I don't know if it's in Mabel's nature to use others. Remember how Mabel felt when Alice was using her in season 2.
About Loretta: I think she is Dickies mother, maybe even helping him but not the murder. Yes she talks about doing everything to protect her child in the nanny monlogue and I think that has a meaning, but let‘s not forget that the whole season startet with talking about her all life dream. And killing Ben would ruin this for her. She finally has a big role and is not able to play it for at least one day. To kill Ben means to give up her dreams. Of course this could be exactly the point, but then it needs a very strong motive. I am not sure if beeing mean to Dicki is enough. Loretta doesn‘t seem to be as crazy as Jan for example. And she doesn‘t seem to be without moral. Seeing her sining the lullaby shows a very affectioned side of her and IF she is the killer there must be a very strong reasons. Something I do not see yet. Also I think it would just be too obvious and it would be again a women as murder. I think maybe she has done something that leads to the murder. Maybe her revealing herself as dickis mother plays a role. But beside Motive and Storytelling, I see a few reasons why she can not be the murder. I think chances are really high that the phonecall should lead Ben - or Ben 2 - to his final death. But Loretta was still in the room when someone called Ben. Also how should she enter his appartment. He called her a snake and seems to have hated her. Would he still let her in his Apartment, just like that? I am not sure. Did she even get a handkerchief from him, when he hated her so much? Why did he hated her in the first place?
I like how communal you make this channel! I've seen others that clearly just want to hear themselves talk. Great thoughtful culture you're creating here!
I think Tobert suspects Mabel in a murder of Ben and wants to be the one who exposes her or the whole trio in his documentary. That is the perfect reason for writers to NOT make Tobert an endgame for Mabel without making him the killer. Joy loves Charles deeply and will hopefully forgive him for having doubts and assuming the worst. Mabel won't forgive Tobert that easily and they will break up. As for the wedding dress she wears in the trailer... We got a "one year later" tease at the end of season 2. So I think Mabel in a wedding dress is a time jump. A glimpse of season 4. Another murder occurring on a big special day.
I looked up what ghost light meant and here's what I found: A ghost light is an electric light that is left energized on the stage of a theater when the theater is unoccupied and would otherwise be completely dark. It typically consists of an exposed incandescent bulb, CFL lamp, or LED lamp mounted in a wire cage on a portable light stand. It is usually placed near center stage. Ghost lights are also sometimes known as equity lights or equity lamps, possibly indicating their use was originally mandated by the Actors' Equity Association.
I came here to explain this one. Every theater person knows what a ghost light is, or should. The light prevents people from accidently falling off the stage in the dark .
OKOK SO I just noticed this while rewatching it, but as Loretta is singing "Look for the Light" which is FABULOUS by the way, she constantly looks in the direction of Dickie while singing to her fake children. Could be a stretch but he also seemed the most moved by the song. Thoughts?
Thanks for the shout out in the video about my anti-twin views. I appreciate you going over Loretta's scrapbook. I don't think she's the killer, but lots of secrets about her still to come.
Ooh Dickie being adobted and unwanted by Ben because he's someone else to worry about and calling him Jealous or something when he introduces him... I love that, So Dickie found out about his mum, Lorretta maybe assumed it was Ben, and when Dickie found out how he treated his mum he tried to allergy attack him then later killed him with Loretta who left shortly after Ben and Dickie did. WHAT IF LORETTA CALLED BEN??
I just can't get enough of Tobert being the killer.I know there's no evidence for that ,but they gave some small signs like at the coffee shop the evil horns he got ,also this episode he says he is lucky this time it's taking a bit longer for Mabel to find the killer. Wouldn't it be so appealing if killer this time becomes really really close to our detectives that they assume he is helping to investigation and don't suspect him until last minute (just like Jan).
I don't think it's Tobert because the motive of furthering one's career via murder has been done last season. Plus having one of the lead's love interest being the killer has also been done.
Ok so next rabbit hole - let's go with Pickwick as the name of the triplets. This might be from The Pickwick Papers, a novel from the early 1800s (first published in book form in 1987 after being a series of adventures published, as was common, in a periodical over time). Wikipedia says that, "The novel's protagonist Samuel Pickwick, Esquire is a kind and wealthy old gentleman, the founder and perpetual president of the Pickwick Club" and "Pickwick is usually portrayed by illustrators as a round-faced, clean-shaven, portly gentleman wearing spectacles." Who does that sound like? Sounds like Charles to me. And who wrote The Pickwick Papers? Charles Dickens. So anyone want to put their money on this old-timey clue pointing to our Charles as the murderer? Another theory we came up with, to continue with the twins, is that Ben 1 was poisoned by Ben 2 on opening night. It's Ben 2 who shows up at the party, but Ben 1 recovers and tries to come back to life and reclaim his position, but Ben 2 throws him down the elevator shaft. So it could be one twin who keeps killing the other, not necessarily a revenge (1 trying to kill 2 and then 2 taking revenge on 1) thing. The twin theory has come cred, as child actors sometimes have identical twins, but I do think that the Ben fans would have known if he had a twin or not when he was younger. And Charles would have known at the time of casting Ben (though could have forgotten, just like he forgot that he even hired and fired Ben). A fun episode, but not my fave. I hope they bring it together a bit more in the next one and the 3 detectives start comparing notes. I miss their collaborations on solving the murder!
I agree on the episode, Lisa. I didn't mention this in my video but I didn't laugh at any joke in this episode. I may need some zany antics from our podcasting trio!
Really Liked The Three Sided Story Telling In This Episode! Zazz Is Amazing & Steals The Scenes She's In! Maybe The Triplets Theory Is Getting A Bit Overplayed, Yet I'm Still Onboard With 3 Killers This Season. Maybe Loretta Was A Nanny To Ben, Dickie & Ben's Unknown Twin? Back In Season 1, Didn't The Killer Bassoonist Look At The Murder Board? Now Robert With A "T" Sees It...... Great Video & My Girlfriend & I Will Be Back For more!
As much as I enjoy this show, I kind of see where this could be the end of it as the trio go their separate ways. Part of the ending for this series just might be the three of them each having their "ever after" moment & maybe an epilogue that leaves just a little room for a return at another time... @@DoublePMedia
Thank you for sharing my thoughts from last time! I don't know if that counts as a spoiler but I saw a short on youtube where we see selena gomez in a wedding dress with the rest of teh trio dressed up for that occasion! Will she marry tobert? If yes why so fast? Maybe to stage some event to reveal the killer? or will she really getting into a marriage so fast? Also I always think about these interviews were the creators say tehre is a mastermind behind all of these 3 seasons and he will be revealed like a mriarty type of character this season... I still think of these 3 as a possibility.. and it MUST be a reaccuring character: - Cinda Canning (she could be the one who broiught tehm together and teh biggest opponent in the end) - Lester (there are several moments where he is just at the right plave in teh right time) - Sting (love these fan theories about him) What do you think?
In episode 1, when Ben enters the after party, the banner on the wall says “we killed ‘em!”. This could be a hint that there are multiple killers & Ben is a twin/triplet. Also when we see Loretta’s fridge the drawing says aunty Loretta. I think Loretta may have been a nanny to the boys after dickie or Ben were adopted.
Also in episode 1, when Charles narrates the opening scene he asks the question “how far would you go to get your big shot” or something like that. I think it’s someone who got a big role in this season
@@matth.7388 yes! Maybe the 2nd Ben died at the play. Then Ben 1 took his place back at the party. I think dickie could’ve killed Ben 1 pushing him off the elevator or someone else from the cast. I keep thinking there must be another death they could be setting up for the next season.
I’m not really an eagle eyed person haha. All I picked up maybe not relevant to the mystery, like Loretta is a feminist, or Ben’s mom is sending him card/letter left in the changing room, or Kim has some woodsy stuff that has nothing to do with collagen. I hope my fellow arconiacs can do better. Ps: is it just me? But I just understand cobro from this set tour. Man by day cobra vigilante by night. So maybe when he said Loretta is a snake too, he just recognized her other face, as Macy’s gift wrapper? 🤷🏻♀️
Hey Bubba , your format for this show and the Afterparty is perfect . Your podcast ability is top class . I think all the love interests this season will turn out to be red herrings , however , knowing the characters , all their relationships will break up before the end of the season. But I still haven’t worked out the killer . I remember when I was younger I could pick the killer of the Columbo series every week in the first five minutes. Not so successful anymore 😂.
I'm gonna go back and watch your twin theories because ever since episode one I've been yelling "WHAT ABOUT A TWIN?" at the screen, so I really hope there turns ut to be something there. Great vid!
I think Loretta will be related to dickie and maybe Ben somehow buuuut still don’t think she’s the killer. I hope at the end there are alot more clues that come together and we could’ve picked up on than were in season 2.
Honestly, I enjoy watching your videos almost as much as the show because you’re so thorough and you look into all leads. Most of the videos I see are people saying “I’m pretty sure it’s Tolbert” for 20 min lol
Its a pretty dark theory but theres an old gambling belief that children "steal the luck". So someone who is naturally lucky, after they have children, the parent loses the luck to the child. If "Lucky Loretta" is Ben's bio mom, she might hate him for essentially stealing her luck and becoming so famous while she scrapes by. Dickie being the adopted brother would be a red herring that Ben was actually adopted into Dickies bio family.
What feels odd to me is that Loretta in this episode claims she’s always wanted to be in one of his plays. Yet when she had a chance when Oliver was renewing the play, in the 3rd episode, she was considering another acting role over her dream
Its well worth noting that Mabel intentionally got a sample of Tobert's handwriting in this episode when he wrote "Dr. C" and put it on the suspect board... I think she thinks it's him and she's trying to gather evidence to catch him or she's trying to draw the real killer out by gathering evidence to put Tobert in jail... Mabel is a prodigy at solving murders and mysteries, that's all I know with 100% certainty right now lol...
A ghost light is a light that is left on overnight in a theatre once everyone leaves. It’s there to placate the spirits of the place. This makes me think that the theatre itself has more secrets to tell us! Isn’t this the theatre where Oliver had his disastrous show that saw the death of a lot of people? Could Loretta be connected to that tragedy? She said this episode she would have killed” to be a part of Oliver’s shows back in the day…
@@DoublePMedia He did it with the baby elephant and admitted it. Tim Kono also saw a murder and kept silent about it, even though Oscar was as close as a brother.
Oh bravo👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🏴 with the attempt at the pickwick triplets song 😂😂😂 New sub! I loved this as will my daughter whom I am going to share this with.
I believe in a constant “theme” that the show follows. With Jan and Poppy, they didn’t like being second or taken advantage of. I think that Dickie might follow this pattern given all the photos in the scrapbook that show him in Ben’s “shadow.” He might’ve been a failed child actor and then Ben was the star. Did Dickie Murder his “brother” to have his big break with Loretta? 👀👀 Loretta seems to be obsessed with Ben and Dickie, more than the first stalker that they arrested earlier in the season and how he said he was trying to find the murderer, what if it was Loretta? Who was the bigger stalker? Maybe this season we will have a male killer. But then again, given the crime, women are the more passionate killers.
I have a theory about Loretta and the killer so I've been waiting since yesterday for your video since yesterday to share it, lol. - Loretta makes it clear that she had a wild past and specifically mentions certain female friends by name. - I believe Loretta got pregnant young but decided that she wasn't a good fit to be a mother and either gave her triplets up to her friend, or for adoption. She did what a mother had to do to protect her children. I have theories for both possibilities, but wonder if it's more possible that they went to a stranger because that would support the idea that only Dickie and Ben ended up together, and the third triplet was sent elsewhere. If the babies went to one of her friends, then she might've been in the lives of her biological children as 'aunt Loretta', and that would explain why she knows that Ben was terrible to Dickie. - As Loretta got older and realised that her career wasn't going the way she wanted, she felt guilt at giving up her kids and regret at missing out on being a mother and took steps to reach out to them and get to know them. If it wasn't a closed adoption, she would've been able to find out who the kids were or where they went. - Note that it is scientifically possible to have two triplets be identical and one who looks different, so there could be two identical 'Bens' and then Dickie who is the third triplet. - Loretta's collection of pictures isn't indicative of stalker behaviour. A stalker would have the pictures out on display proudly in some kind of a shrine situation. A scrapbook of achievements or as close as she can get to photographs of her sons is the behaviour of a mother. They're something precious that she takes out and looks at when sitting in her contemplatative spot by the window, which may well be what she was doing when we saw her first sat there in the opening episode of the series. - When Loretta found out that Ben wanted to be on broadway, as was clear by the article in her scrapbook, she decided to try to get cast in the plays that he would be in to be close to him. From his reaction to her at the table read, he may not have known who she was at first. However, it's possible that Loretta had already reached out to Dickie and got the information about the play from him. Dickie might already have known that Loretta was their mother and told her where to audition to get close to Ben. Loretta using Dickie as a means of being a part of Ben's life would explain why he called her a snake. It also explains why she was late to the original audition and wasn't on the call sheet, it was a last minute decision on her part. - If Ben was as terrible to Dickie as Loretta says, it's likely that Ben forbade Dickie from talking to their mother upon pain of firing him or cutting him out of his life. This could have cost Dickie his career and the love of a mother, and this is why I believe he poisoned Ben. In fact, I believe that Ben might've been poisoned before he confronted Loretta on set, as he stumbled on his way down the lighthouse stairs and past Charles, almost like he was drunk or off kilter. The cookies could be a red herring. - Ben may have reflected on his behaviour while Joy was helping him with the mark on his face, and wrote 'fucking pig' on the mirror as a means of angrily processing what Loretta had called him, perhaps even agreeing 'Yeah, I am a fucking pig' as he did. - Loretta was clearly upset at Ben's first death but also managed to move through it, I wonder if he had done something or threatened to do something to Dickie and she was relieved that Dickie would be spared Ben's abuse which was why she reacted the way she did. - Loretta left the party around the same time as Ben and Dickie. I believe that the three of them were in front of the elevator and both 'Ben' and Loretta had an argument. Ben grabbed Loretta the way he did on the lighthouse prop, Dickie got between them to separate them, and accidentally shoved Ben back into the elevator shaft in a bid to protect Loretta from him. I also think that this will lead to Loretta making a false confession to protect Dickie because, again, a mother would do anything to protect her son.
A lot of what you say sounds plausible. I don't believe Ben was poisoned before he confronted Loretta. He's very angry when he speaks, clearly, to Oliver before he goes on stage to start his performance. I can't remember Ben's exact words but it was like he's the !@-/bag you need to talk to...Oliver said he did...Ben asks if he apologized. I believe he was clearly speaking about Charles after he punched Ben.
Love this feedback Would the podcast trio expose Dickie as the true killer? Or let Loretta wish to "take the fall" for Dickie be? I wish I didn't have to work my job & could put these videos out sooner. I need to hear your theories! :)
@@DoublePMedia You're super quick with your videos and we all love them! I think Oliver would want to bail Loretta out of this situation by proving Dickie to be a killer but if Meryl Streep is only due to be in one season they might let her take the fall. On the other hand he might betray her wishes and have Dickie convicted and she could go to prison for impeding the investigation. It could get really messy.
Yes, Ep 1 when Ben says "he is a cobra but also a bro." Smart eyes on reddit picked up on hints on the posters that there are 3 brothers. Morons think it's a twin, savvy theories make Tobert as the secret 3rd brother.
I'm not down with the "twin" theory at all, but the idea that Dickie is Loretta's son given up for adoption does appeal to me a lot. Maybe Dickie found out about his relation to Loretta and killed Ben to protect his biological mother from Ben's abuse? Also, the theory that Ben's first death was him going into the White Room makes sense to me.
One of the Arconiacs theorized the eBay hanky buyer is the killer & I’ve been thinking the stalker that grabbed Mabel & Oliver is the one that bought Kimber’s hanky! He was eliminated by the crew bc he loved Ben too much
This is soooo far into fanfiction theory territory, I’m not even sure I like this (even though it’s my own idea), but here we go: We know Oliver and Loretta know eachother form the Studio 54 days, but what if their connection was deeper than we knew? What if they anonymously hooked up, leading to Loretta becoming pregnant, and eventually Gavin’s birth to Dickie, giving Oliver that biological son he thought he no longer had in season two (also giving Oliver’s words to Loretta of “where have you been?” a whole new meaning).
Will all the characters in the play end up being represented by the cast and crew members just as a fun Easter egg? A mother, nanny, godmother, father, detective, constable, three children and a boatman? We have Donna as a mother, Cliff, Ben and Dickie as three children, Detective Williams is bound to be back etc Just a fun thought...
Here's my latest theory: Based on the theme of the nanny/mother resorting to murder to protect a child, and the imagery of the mother elephant rescuing her child from the mud, I think the mastermind of Ben's murder could be Donna. Contents of Maxine's review could of have leaked and when Donna learns of the dismal review, she knew she had to do something to rescue Cliff's first production effort. She buys insurance for the play then forms a plan to sabotage it by killing off Ben. Potentially, she could also have recruited K.T to assist her in her plot, and may have paid Tobert to report on Ben's whereabouts. With Ben dead and the insurance company covering the losses, Donna had no intention of reviving the play even though she admitted "it was a lovely song" in reference to Loretta's & Kimber's showstopping performances. I've also wondered about why Ben, who has never done theater work before, would be cast as the lead in the play. Could Donna & Ben have been involved in a past relationship, and could Donna have been the person in Ben's dressing room on opening night? That would have given her the opportunity to put poison in the serum that Ben uses, or brought in poisoned cookies. Another thought: at the party in ep 1, Ben addresses Cliff as “boy” twice - could this be a hint Ben could be his dad??? Update: If Donna was also the producer for the documentary, that means Tobert works for Donna, & the majority of the documentary profits as a result of Ben's death would go to her, offsetting the losses from the failed play. That would be a big motive for murder.
Guys!!!! I think I cracked this one (credit to my Wife also for parts of this theory lol!!!) Tobert is Ben and Dickie's third brother. Loretta is their mother but they all have different dads. Ben probably didn't know she was their mom until the night of the premier when they got into an argument or maybe right after he got poisoned. She gave all three up to continue pursuing acting. She felt great guilt for this. Tobert was trying to poison his own half brother and frame their mother for his murder. The wildest part of this theory is... that Ben is still alive. The night he was poisoned Mabel either realized after he was poisoned or figured it out before, then she created a plot to catch who'd tried to kill him, and everyone except for maybe Charles and Oliver are in on this plot. Mabel has known or suspected it was Tobert since the night of the premier, but needed a way to catch him and send him to jail. At the end of the season she'll be faced with the dilemma that she essentially solved Ben's (almost) murder without Charles' and Oliver's help, she'll think about Cindy Canning's offer one more time, but she'll tell them they ultimately knew it was Tobert all along too but only subconsciously, and they helped her put together the pieces of the puzzle to catch Tobert. The whole cast other than Charles and Oliver (or maybe they're in on it too?) are carrying out a plot to catch Tobert and get him arrested - all at the direction of Mabel. Remember, "The play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king." That's why Loretta's monologue about being a mother who would do anything for her kids was so emotional. She abandoned all three of her sons to continue pursuing acting. Dang Only Murders, I'm loving this season so far... 🔥🔥🔥
@@keithbushsuarez7445 to be honest I don't see the issue here. They are on the same level mentally at this point. Age difference is less tangible when the youngest partner is at least 30 years old (I think)
I think the red mark on Ben's face was actually a red herring! In this episode, Ben and Charles' fight was displayed in a way that made it very obvious that Ben got slapped on the left side of his face, then he reappeared with a mark on the right side. So, here's my timeline/theory: - Most likely, Loretta confronted Ben about having followed his or Dickie's life from afar, showing interest in getting closer to them; - Charles interrupted Ben and Loretta's fight and slapped him, leaving a mark on his cheek. - Ben had to get the mark covered up by Joy, who accidentally left the lipstick in his dressing room - We're told Loretta was backstage during opening night's events. Still upset, she likely snuck into Ben's dressing room, picked up the lipstick and left that message on the mirror; - We got lots of proof that Ben was a prankster, a tasteless one at that, so his collapsing was likely a prank, the blood was paint. This explains why they mentioned it couldn't have been poison so persistently. - Perhaps he then got nervous and actually fainted/went into "the white room", since this was his first stage performance. The white room was too emphasized to be inconsequential. - When Ben appeared at the party with a red mark on the right side of his face, it was paint! fake blood can be pretty hard to take off.
This sheds more but LESS light on Ben’s killer. I don’t think Dickie is Loretta’s son; she would be more obsessed with him than with Ben. She has an obsession with Ben but not the ‘crush’ kind; more like the vengeance for a wrongdoing. Maybe the actress from Girlcop is her daughter and he treated her terribly? Maybe Loretta tried out for Girlcop on something Ben was in but he cost her the role? I don’t think it’s a coincidence that she produced a purple joint rolled by Oliver. She appears to have been obsessed with him, but not in the ‘love’ way. She almost left the production for a tv role. Doesn’t sound like an obsessed fan (maybe a broke one?) I think the ‘Valium in the water bottle’ trick is something SHE pulled on someone else, something a ‘snake’ would do! Is there a fan book on Oliver? I think she keeps tabs on people who stood in her way or cost her a role. I think in the finale Mabel will get the all white apartment, and the trio will make the killer(s) think THEY are in a White Room, having a hallucination. Does Loretta go to the White room? what does she see?? Jonathan’s connection to the doctor is prob either tickets to the musical, or an autopsy report.
Poppy says Cinda knew where the bodies were buried & there were a lot of them. Think she’s involved with Tobert or her husband is Dr C--remember she had a ton of pills that went flying when she couldn’t open them? Think she Loretta’s daughter & dickies sister becaus I think it would make sense of the female blonde doll as the triplet & if so, think she’s the moriaty stage managing dickie or Howard to have a hand in Ben’s death. Poppy said her teeth aren’t real & Oliver loses one, dickie breaks a jade egg, she inserts on & squats over a mirror which is like mimicking child birth, think they shared a WOMB?
I feel Loretta is the mother of Glen, Dickie, and Tobert. Both Loretta and Tobert are keeping Oliver and Mabel occupied and swerving them in wrong directions on the case. Tobert murdered Ben and is using his death as a chance to gain his own fame. When Loretta started an acting career Glen didn’t want any part of it as it would take him out of the limelight (or perhaps there’s something more about his past to be revealed). Dickie is representing his mother because, well, she’s his mother.
The medication the doctor is prescribing is probably something like Propecia. We know Ben used it, so Jonathan is probably doing the same thing. I still think the same thing re: my theory. Loretta is Dickie's mother, she poisoned the cookies to save her son from an abusive Ben. She thought he was dead, so she was really shocked when he came back to the party. After the party she just went home. But the rest of the cast went upstairs and confronted Ben. They all hated him. Dickie pushed him down the elevator shaft, but they were all in on it. I think Loretta will essentially get away with because she covered her tracks. But the cast is getting arrested! And hopefully after this The Arconia will get a few security cameras!
@DoublePMedia The problem is it's been allowed to take up too much time, shutting out theories that (sorry not sorry) are too ludicrous to be considered. There are a dozen angles that have not gotten attention and probably a dozen more unnoticed because people with zero critical thinking skills took up all the oxygen with "Joy and Jan are twins" "Loretta is a twin" "Will has a twin". I know we all want to be nice, but some ideas are too stupid to be possible and the more airtime they get, the more they multiply.
@@la_scrittice_vita Double P created a lovely safe space for people to not be afraid sharing what is on their mind (no matter how lunatic or far-fetched) and I really appreciate that! Let's not ruin this ambience of feeling welcomed and not judged
I think Chicago figures into it somehow. There is one scene where Oliver, Charles and Mable dance in sequined costumes in a very Fosse-esque "Chicago" routine. The name of the musical is "Death Rattle Dazzle," which could be a nod to the song, "Razzle Dazzle" in Chicago. The ferry horn sounds like the beginning of "All That Jazz" in Chicago. Jason Veasey (Jonathan) was in "Chicago Fire." Donna says, about musical theater addicts, "you gotta give 'em what they ask for" -- again, I think that's the line that leads into "Razzle Dazzle." Queen Latifah played Mama Morton in "Chicago" and Ben wrote her a nasty letter. Dr. "C.," in the last episode. There is a Goodman Theater in Chicago (GC?).
What if Loretta is Cliff's aunt, explaining the Christmas card, and why she never got a chance if Donna sabotages her own shows (producers theory?) Maybe Loretta was late for this audition because Donna sabotaged her again. This could be evidence that Donna killed Ben. That just doesn't explain Loretta's obsession with Ben, though I still find it hard to believe that she would call her son/nephew/etc a "fucking pig," if the idea of protecting children under her care resonates with her. But maybe she was Dickie's teacher or babysitter.
Mabel has had to deal with people trying to get close to her by lying to her, I don't think that is a way it get her into a real relationship. Particularly because that is the second time Tobert lied to her.
Jeez, this season has me so confused lol. I don’t have much to say about Loretta this week, I’m still thinking lol. And although I don’t have any complete theories right now, I just want to point out a few things I have noticed regarding Charles and the “white room”. 1)Have we ever heard the whole Pickwick song or has Charles gone to the “white room” everytime before finishing it? Maybe there’s a clue in the end of that song. And what is it about that song that causes him to get that way? 2)Charles was an actor on a major tv show. Did he have issues going to the “white room” while filming Brazzo’s? Or is this just a theatre thing? It seems pretty sudden to me. 3)During play rehearsals, Charles went to the “white room” and came out of it pretty rough, cursing and causing others to feel uncomfortable. When he went to the “white room” in his apartment, he supposedly proposed to Joy? What made that time different? 🤔 Anyway, love your videos! Can’t wait till next week! ❤
This is my first attempt of guessing the end if there are twins. The sweet, innocent one Ben with the help of Dicky tried to kill the awful one 'Cam' at the theatre but it didn't work. The nasty one returns and kills the sweet one in the elevator shaft. The nasty one still lives, but no-one knows this yet. He's planning to make life miserable for them all, particularly Charles. When he's revealed, Loretta will kill him in protection of Dickey. No-one will tell the police but hide the body, and they will end the podcast with a different solution. Charles will end up with Joy, Loretta with Oliver, and Mabel will find her purpose. 😂😂😂
Well the "adopted" brother brings more into focus. One of the Lorettas (still feel she is the twin) gives baby up (bad thing she references). Keeps tabs on him through the years. I don't feel Mom Loretta or Dickie are the killers though. Wonder if the picture of her and her mom has two little girls in the picture! Tobert is doing a doc on the podcasters.....I don't trust him at all!
During this most recent episode, I kept wondering: WHY isn't smart Mabel asking to look at Tobert's documentary footage??? He was in the theater opening night, yet she's only seen a small part of the camera in Ben's dressing room!
Seems the Ben/tattoo thing is a mistake and there are no twin or triplets. Very disappointed Mabel is being duped by Tobert. He clearly has an agenda, not saying hes the killer, but hes after something (other than bedding Mabel). I first thought Mabel was on to Tobert and was just going along to see what he would reveal himself, but I was wrong on that. With only 4 episodes left (last episode is reveal) it seems the only real suspects we have are Loretta, Tobert, and Joy as they are the only ones with significant screen time other than the 3 stars. Maybe that will change and start to point towards Cliff and Mom as we know Mathew Broderick and Mel Brooks will be showing up and could be an indicator that the producers are following The Producers strat and design a bomb. Because they either need to get other suspects significant screen time in the next 4 weeks, or it will feel like a very Sbooby-Doo type ending.
There are also a few Shakespeare references in this show. Could Dickey be a Richard The Third, the least of the three triplets (adopted illegimate triplet, a spin off of a spin off ) and most sinister of them all? 'A mother of a dermatologist with a limp'? Richard the third was depicted with spinal problems, (causing a limp when he walked), and a dermatologist reflects that there is something going on underneath the skin, aka the surface. I think Dickey is the most conniving of all and he will show his true face at the end, to the shock of his mum Loretta.
I'm enjoying your videos, bravo for your 'rap 😊 I think Tobert is the killer and has a complicated backstory we'll learn about soon. He got close to Ben for a yet, unknown reason, and is trying to influence Mabel and point her in another direction, like Jan and Poppy did. I love hearing all the theories and mine is just a wild guess lol. 😅
So i think Loretta is the mother of Dicky who was adopted as Ben's brother. Also where is the producer and her son? I think she is paying for Ben's Documentary.I think the producer knew this about Loretta and Dicky and she wanted to unveil this on video with her making the profit. Lotetta was conversing with Ben that she knew the play for the unveil, hints the argument. Ben is talking to the producer in his room saying, you shouldn't be here indicating a thought out plan being disrupted. Ben threatened to tell Dicky out of guilt and the producer kills Ben out of anger and the loss of the productions shock reveal. so now that explains why she wanted out so fast after Ben died. To cut all ties!!
Thinking maybe.... Loretta is mom to triplets years ago and gives them up for her career and the last brother remaining killed the other two over jealousy and to have a relationship with Loretta. Oliver's play/musical is about a nanny and triplets after all. Theories Theories 🤔
Either Tobert has to know a lot more to Ben's life than he is letting on, or Ben chose to have a documentarian, so the twin had no chance of switching places and spoiling his limelight.
I would like to have an answer as to why Charles is wearing a detective costume when he's playing the constable and we saw the constable costume sketch at the read through. Maybe he gets mistaken for Ben in all those theatre mishaps because of this costume. Another play of double identities.
Does anybody else think Joy is getting too toxic? She can't say anything nice about Lucy. And she over dramatizes what would be an understandable question, knowing that he has trauma with Jan. The shattering glass, with Charles making up excuses for her behavior makes me think she did him a favor breaking off the engagement. And that she is hiding something, but is not the murderer.
Been thinking about Donna. Donna didn’t kill him but I think she makes her money by over insuring plays and productions. Howard and his State Farm connect are to make us think about insurance. Can’t figure out Cliff. I think he is just a victim in Donna’s ploy and in more ways than one … lol
What if it's the twin's initials on his fingers, not a mirror image of Girl Cop? Cam Glenroy? Caleb Glenroy? Clint Glenroy? Notice how Ben highlights his name in the third person when he must take the serious phone call?
So Mable spaced out/white roomed when Bunny was killed, now Charles is spacing out/white rooming on stage and proposed to Jan when he wanted to do the opposite. So maybe Charles was there when Ben was pushed down the elevator.
@@DoublePMedia The closest thing I can remember is when Oliver visualized the person walking up the stairs and falling off and bouncing up again in Season 1 Epsode 1
I think Dicki is highly suspicious. I go with the Twin/Triplet Theorie and that Ben 1 died in the theater. I watch the series in German and there they say that Ben was claimed dead. So in Germany you are not claimed dead when you try to revive someone. When they say that, it is the end. But I guess this could be a mistake in the translation, because it seems that they still tried to save him. But so or so it doesn‘t make sense. Ben clearly did not just eat something. And no hospital would let someone walk out of the hospital like this. I still don‘t know how they managed to keep it secret that ‚Ben‘ died. But I thought about it and maybe he did not died under the Name Ben Glenroy. Imagine: Dicki giving the hospital the passport of the Twin, Ben 2. So the doctors wouldn‘t think that the famous Ben Glenroy died. Maybe Ben 2 even has another second name, so they would think someone totally different died. And when they did not know his face - and he ist not that much famous that EVERYONE has to know him - no one would be suspicious. So, coming back to Episode One, to the Party. I rewtached the episode and noticed that Dicki seems to be extreme nervous. Look at it: while Ben talks to everyone - without saying anything real specific btw - Dicki looks to left and right, he seems nervous, scared, always watching the others. Like he is scared that Ben 2‘s Perfomance is too much and he could uncover hisself. I think Dicki just wanted to ‚show‘ Ben 2 so that they can go. I even think the call could be fake and a way for Dicki to shut Ben 2 up.
Yes, Tobert is a major suspect but that is in no way "too soon" for Mabel. S1 she's into suspect Oscar, S2 she not only hooks up with extremely shifty Alice, she flirts with Theo. She's into killers and suspects. C.F. the cleavage on display. Subconsciously at least, and probably consciously, she knew it was a date. That hot factor goes way beyond "the place has a dress code."
I love Joy but one thing stuck out to me Sazz said «Almond Joy» Almond Joy is a type of cookie! Almond can conceal the smell and taste of cyanide poison too
The Ben being a triplet thing doesn't make sense. Excuse Ben said when he was a young child actor, he had to support his mom and brother. Not multiple brothers or a sister too
Wait, so with a name like Ben Glenroy..... what if it's triplets named Ben, Glen and Roy. And that Ben Glenroy is just a stage name they all use. And the phone call "Ben" got at the after party when he was revealed "alive", it was a triplet warning him to get away cus the killer was after all of them.
The entire premise that a guy that did Cobro would do a stage play for a shaky director (sorry Oliver) is a bit off brand. I think one of the twins forced the stage role against the others will. Just because they are twins doesnt mean they both act or act well or like the same things or people.
Ben was cast before Oliver was given the directing role. Producers have the money, they get to decide. Maybe Ben was on board because the play involved triplets.
The show has totally confused me. One day I say this person did it. The next episode someone else was involved. In the meantime I'm just enjoying the show
@@DoublePMedia also i love the idea that her scrapbook of ben is a misdirect and its actually about dickie. Makes a lot of sense but also doesnt bc we dont know what their deal is
Let’s go Clue Crew: What do you think is up with Loretta?
I think Loretta is either the mother of Ben, Dickie, or Tobort, (as a supposed twist) white writers love to use bi racials as a gotchya aka Spiderman: Homecoming. The biracials watching are like "well I could have told you that lol."
I think Ben and Dickie (not his brother) are lovers and that is he who he is talking in the video. And Dickie is potentially the killer. If she is the mother of Tobert, I'm not sure why she has the scrapbook unless she is defo the mother of Dickie instead. I don't believe that Ben and Dickie are brothers. Perhaps, Loretta and Dickie killed him. One tries to poison him, but is unsuccesful, and then the other finishes the job. As son or mother.
Loretta could have had Dickey illegitimately with Ben's dad, and she was the nanny.
She's most definitely somebody's mother lol... Ben? Ben and his identical twin? Ben and Dickie? Ben, an identical twin, and Dickie? Ben and Dickie and Tobert? Lol...
So, here's my theory about who the killer is. It's a bit far out, but I think it also works, at this point. There is already a 'twin' in the show that people are missing. It's Sazz. She's Charles' 'twin'. I think she's the killer. She sees herself as almost an appendage of Charles, and she dresses like him and acts like him. She's his 'stand in' and body double. Ben was giving Charles a hard time, even being threatening towards him. So...what if it was Sazz who bought the hanky on eBay, because she wanted one to wear one like Charles, and also thinking she was going to be his understudy. what if she knew Ben was causing trouble for Charles, and maybe she'd even worked with Ben before and also hated him. It would have been easy for her to sneak up on Ben with her head bowed down, he would have thought it was Charles. Then she pushes him into the elevator shaft. This way, she gets rid of a problem for Charles, and if she's convicted of murder, ends up in prison with the woman she loves. She even says at one point that there's not much you can do through a plexiglass barrier. Sazz is the killer 'twin'. It's an interesting twist on Vertigo. She's in a suit like Jimmy Stewart, but a blonde woman like Kim Novack.
Oo, or she's the real twin of Lorretta and wants Ben out of the picture to protect Dickie her nephew!
I'm not sure about Loretta having a twin, given that Oliver looks at a picture of her as a child with her mom and she's the only girl in the picture. But maybe that was a deflection?@@felinetherapy4782
Totally agree, the timing of zaz’s first appearance immediately made me suspicious because she’s the kind of character that people will easily overlook because of her comic relief. But the link to Jan and the twin/double observation is a good one. I’m with you, I think there’s going to be a way-out-there ending to make up for the one dimensional Becky Butler ending that really doesn’t even make sense.
LOVE IT! but i dont see ehr as an overarching villain for all seasons as teh producer said
love this
Hehe thanks for the shout out! I agree with you!! 🙌 my dad actually pointed that out!
The book, It could be about Dickie for sure, even the written article mentioned ‘someone close to the star said…’ or ‘staff of the star is quoted saying…’ maybe she kept them assuming it was Dickie and wanted to hear his voice through the article! Maybe Ben called her a snake because he thought she was gonna steal Dickie from him, especially if you consider he wouldn’t even give the number of his fitness coach to anyone, but really Loretta is just trying to get close to her son, Dickie. Dickie push Ben to protect his mom??
Dickie and Loretta are shooting up the suspect board
Even if Loretta is related to Ben or Dickie, that doesn't make her the killer!
I agree!
Right. I'm fairly sure she's the motive m, not the killer.
I wonder if Tobert is getting close to Mabel as a way of getting information from her about the murder and to use this to produce a new documentary on Ben's death seeing that his other documentary fell through.
I agree. Tobert smells like ulterior motives.
What's that scent your wearing? It's 'Tobert' with citrus and ulterior motive fragrances :)
Tobert shady :)
What if she is using him to get infos on Ben?
@@BecauseImFreddie I guess anything possible, but I don't know if it's in Mabel's nature to use others. Remember how Mabel felt when Alice was using her in season 2.
About Loretta: I think she is Dickies mother, maybe even helping him but not the murder. Yes she talks about doing everything to protect her child in the nanny monlogue and I think that has a meaning, but let‘s not forget that the whole season startet with talking about her all life dream. And killing Ben would ruin this for her. She finally has a big role and is not able to play it for at least one day. To kill Ben means to give up her dreams. Of course this could be exactly the point, but then it needs a very strong motive. I am not sure if beeing mean to Dicki is enough. Loretta doesn‘t seem to be as crazy as Jan for example. And she doesn‘t seem to be without moral. Seeing her sining the lullaby shows a very affectioned side of her and IF she is the killer there must be a very strong reasons. Something I do not see yet. Also I think it would just be too obvious and it would be again a women as murder. I think maybe she has done something that leads to the murder. Maybe her revealing herself as dickis mother plays a role. But beside Motive and Storytelling, I see a few reasons why she can not be the murder. I think chances are really high that the phonecall should lead Ben - or Ben 2 - to his final death. But Loretta was still in the room when someone called Ben. Also how should she enter his appartment. He called her a snake and seems to have hated her. Would he still let her in his Apartment, just like that? I am not sure. Did she even get a handkerchief from him, when he hated her so much? Why did he hated her in the first place?
I like how communal you make this channel! I've seen others that clearly just want to hear themselves talk. Great thoughtful culture you're creating here!
Thank you! Unlike Ben, we're trying to be supportive :)
All I can say is that with this many top-notch theories, the writing is brilliant in this season😊
I think Tobert suspects Mabel in a murder of Ben and wants to be the one who exposes her or the whole trio in his documentary. That is the perfect reason for writers to NOT make Tobert an endgame for Mabel without making him the killer.
Joy loves Charles deeply and will hopefully forgive him for having doubts and assuming the worst. Mabel won't forgive Tobert that easily and they will break up.
As for the wedding dress she wears in the trailer... We got a "one year later" tease at the end of season 2. So I think Mabel in a wedding dress is a time jump. A glimpse of season 4. Another murder occurring on a big special day.
what if it's her and tobert's wedding and he died for S4?
I looked up what ghost light meant and here's what I found: A ghost light is an electric light that is left energized on the stage of a theater when the theater is unoccupied and would otherwise be completely dark. It typically consists of an exposed incandescent bulb, CFL lamp, or LED lamp mounted in a wire cage on a portable light stand. It is usually placed near center stage. Ghost lights are also sometimes known as equity lights or equity lamps, possibly indicating their use was originally mandated by the Actors' Equity Association.
Dang! Great work, Detective! So we'll be back at the Goosebury next week, returning to the scene of the crime?
I came here to explain this one. Every theater person knows what a ghost light is, or should. The light prevents people from accidently falling off the stage in the dark .
OKOK SO I just noticed this while rewatching it, but as Loretta is singing "Look for the Light" which is FABULOUS by the way, she constantly looks in the direction of Dickie while singing to her fake children. Could be a stretch but he also seemed the most moved by the song. Thoughts?
100% - Dickie didn't want that song to end! Do you think he killed Ben?
Was so cool to get a shoutout whilst watching. Glad my theory is one that’s relevant but I’m kinda thinking differently now. 😅
Ha... that's always the way it works. New facts pop up and suddenly Brazzos is saying "This sends the investigation into a whole new direction" :)
Thanks for the shout out in the video about my anti-twin views. I appreciate you going over Loretta's scrapbook. I don't think she's the killer, but lots of secrets about her still to come.
Ooh Dickie being adobted and unwanted by Ben because he's someone else to worry about and calling him Jealous or something when he introduces him... I love that, So Dickie found out about his mum, Lorretta maybe assumed it was Ben, and when Dickie found out how he treated his mum he tried to allergy attack him then later killed him with Loretta who left shortly after Ben and Dickie did.
WHAT IF LORETTA CALLED BEN??
I just can't get enough of Tobert being the killer.I know there's no evidence for that ,but they gave some small signs like at the coffee shop the evil horns he got ,also this episode he says he is lucky this time it's taking a bit longer for Mabel to find the killer.
Wouldn't it be so appealing if killer this time becomes really really close to our detectives that they assume he is helping to investigation and don't suspect him until last minute (just like Jan).
Hadn't thought of that line about lucky its taking longer. Tobert with a 'T' for trouble!
I don't think it's Tobert because the motive of furthering one's career via murder has been done last season. Plus having one of the lead's love interest being the killer has also been done.
Ok so next rabbit hole - let's go with Pickwick as the name of the triplets. This might be from The Pickwick Papers, a novel from the early 1800s (first published in book form in 1987 after being a series of adventures published, as was common, in a periodical over time). Wikipedia says that, "The novel's protagonist Samuel Pickwick, Esquire is a kind and wealthy old gentleman, the founder and perpetual president of the Pickwick Club" and "Pickwick is usually portrayed by illustrators as a round-faced, clean-shaven, portly gentleman wearing spectacles." Who does that sound like? Sounds like Charles to me. And who wrote The Pickwick Papers? Charles Dickens. So anyone want to put their money on this old-timey clue pointing to our Charles as the murderer?
Another theory we came up with, to continue with the twins, is that Ben 1 was poisoned by Ben 2 on opening night. It's Ben 2 who shows up at the party, but Ben 1 recovers and tries to come back to life and reclaim his position, but Ben 2 throws him down the elevator shaft. So it could be one twin who keeps killing the other, not necessarily a revenge (1 trying to kill 2 and then 2 taking revenge on 1) thing. The twin theory has come cred, as child actors sometimes have identical twins, but I do think that the Ben fans would have known if he had a twin or not when he was younger. And Charles would have known at the time of casting Ben (though could have forgotten, just like he forgot that he even hired and fired Ben).
A fun episode, but not my fave. I hope they bring it together a bit more in the next one and the 3 detectives start comparing notes. I miss their collaborations on solving the murder!
I agree on the episode, Lisa. I didn't mention this in my video but I didn't laugh at any joke in this episode. I may need some zany antics from our podcasting trio!
Really Liked The Three Sided Story Telling In This Episode!
Zazz Is Amazing & Steals The Scenes She's In!
Maybe The Triplets Theory Is Getting A Bit Overplayed, Yet I'm Still Onboard With 3 Killers This Season.
Maybe Loretta Was A Nanny To Ben, Dickie & Ben's Unknown Twin?
Back In Season 1, Didn't The Killer Bassoonist Look At The Murder Board?
Now Robert With A "T" Sees It......
Great Video & My Girlfriend & I Will Be Back For more!
Glad you like it, some viewers are upset the trio aren't working together more in this season.
As much as I enjoy this show, I kind of see where this could be the end of it as the trio go their separate ways. Part of the ending for this series just might be the three of them each having their "ever after" moment & maybe an epilogue that leaves just a little room for a return at another time...
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@@671SUN I am hoping Mable goes to found a detective agency and becomes Ellery Queen/Sam Spade
Thank you for sharing my thoughts from last time! I don't know if that counts as a spoiler but I saw a short on youtube where we see selena gomez in a wedding dress with the rest of teh trio dressed up for that occasion! Will she marry tobert? If yes why so fast? Maybe to stage some event to reveal the killer? or will she really getting into a marriage so fast?
Also I always think about these interviews were the creators say tehre is a mastermind behind all of these 3 seasons and he will be revealed like a mriarty type of character this season... I still think of these 3 as a possibility.. and it MUST be a reaccuring character:
- Cinda Canning (she could be the one who broiught tehm together and teh biggest opponent in the end)
- Lester (there are several moments where he is just at the right plave in teh right time)
- Sting (love these fan theories about him)
What do you think?
She'd be marrying either Tobert or Theo
In episode 1, when Ben enters the after party, the banner on the wall says “we killed ‘em!”. This could be a hint that there are multiple killers & Ben is a twin/triplet. Also when we see Loretta’s fridge the drawing says aunty Loretta. I think Loretta may have been a nanny to the boys after dickie or Ben were adopted.
Also in episode 1, when Charles narrates the opening scene he asks the question “how far would you go to get your big shot” or something like that. I think it’s someone who got a big role in this season
What if one Ben twin didn't act? And he wanted to be on Broadway but the other twin didn't?
@@matth.7388 yes! Maybe the 2nd Ben died at the play. Then Ben 1 took his place back at the party. I think dickie could’ve killed Ben 1 pushing him off the elevator or someone else from the cast. I keep thinking there must be another death they could be setting up for the next season.
The Architecture Digest just put on a video re. "only murder in the building" set.
Did you notice the possible CLUE in the video??? I'll be talking about it next week
I’m not really an eagle eyed person haha. All I picked up maybe not relevant to the mystery, like Loretta is a feminist, or Ben’s mom is sending him card/letter left in the changing room, or Kim has some woodsy stuff that has nothing to do with collagen. I hope my fellow arconiacs can do better.
Ps: is it just me? But I just understand cobro from this set tour. Man by day cobra vigilante by night. So maybe when he said Loretta is a snake too, he just recognized her other face, as Macy’s gift wrapper? 🤷🏻♀️
@@Tabtabtabtoycollection There was a poster for "Comedy of Errors" in Oliver's apt, and this play involves 2 sets of twins.
Hey Bubba , your format for this show and the Afterparty is perfect . Your podcast ability is top class .
I think all the love interests this season will turn out to be red herrings , however , knowing the characters , all their relationships will break up before the end of the season. But I still haven’t worked out the killer . I remember when I was younger I could pick the killer of the Columbo series every week in the first five minutes. Not so successful anymore 😂.
This made me chuckle "knowing the characters , all their relationships will break up before the end of the season."
I'm gonna go back and watch your twin theories because ever since episode one I've been yelling "WHAT ABOUT A TWIN?" at the screen, so I really hope there turns ut to be something there. Great vid!
We need a few more twin clues
I think Loretta will be related to dickie and maybe Ben somehow buuuut still don’t think she’s the killer. I hope at the end there are alot more clues that come together and we could’ve picked up on than were in season 2.
Honestly, I enjoy watching your videos almost as much as the show because you’re so thorough and you look into all leads. Most of the videos I see are people saying “I’m pretty sure it’s Tolbert” for 20 min lol
Thanks for that, but when it turns out to be Tobert, I'll looking pretty foolish!
@@DoublePMedialol that would be the most only murders thing ever tho
Its a pretty dark theory but theres an old gambling belief that children "steal the luck". So someone who is naturally lucky, after they have children, the parent loses the luck to the child. If "Lucky Loretta" is Ben's bio mom, she might hate him for essentially stealing her luck and becoming so famous while she scrapes by. Dickie being the adopted brother would be a red herring that Ben was actually adopted into Dickies bio family.
dark theory, but I like it!
Thanks for calling out so many easter eggs / clues. Love all these theories!
my favorite type of feedback :) Keep watching!
What feels odd to me is that Loretta in this episode claims she’s always wanted to be in one of his plays. Yet when she had a chance when Oliver was renewing the play, in the 3rd episode, she was considering another acting role over her dream
Yes but in truth the tv show was a bigger opportunity
@@musiclovesoul33 I guess they got me there
Its well worth noting that Mabel intentionally got a sample of Tobert's handwriting in this episode when he wrote "Dr. C" and put it on the suspect board... I think she thinks it's him and she's trying to gather evidence to catch him or she's trying to draw the real killer out by gathering evidence to put Tobert in jail... Mabel is a prodigy at solving murders and mysteries, that's all I know with 100% certainty right now lol...
100% great observation
A ghost light is a light that is left on overnight in a theatre once everyone leaves. It’s there to placate the spirits of the place.
This makes me think that the theatre itself has more secrets to tell us! Isn’t this the theatre where Oliver had his disastrous show that saw the death of a lot of people? Could Loretta be connected to that tragedy? She said this episode she would have killed” to be a part of Oliver’s shows back in the day…
Oliver said that no one died in 'Splash' however they would have been hurt.
Too knowledgeable on this subject Marissa! Let's see your headshot and resume to learn about the plays you've been in!
I think the producer Donna sabotaged Splash
@@sayhmm That is brillant, I hope that is what happened.
I also like the connection to Charles Dicken's 'The Pickwick Papers' , a very energetic episodic series publication
What if I’m Oliver and Loretta are Dickies parents. Oliver did say he rolled a purple joint at that he was at that party 👀
Tobert theory: He saw who killed Ben. Instead of alerting authorities he is filming a documentary on the podcast group as they solve the case.
Oh Lord! That might Tobert more evil than the killer!
@@DoublePMedia He did it with the baby elephant and admitted it. Tim Kono also saw a murder and kept silent about it, even though Oscar was as close as a brother.
Oh bravo👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🏴 with the attempt at the pickwick triplets song 😂😂😂
New sub! I loved this as will my daughter whom I am going to share this with.
I believe in a constant “theme” that the show follows. With Jan and Poppy, they didn’t like being second or taken advantage of. I think that Dickie might follow this pattern given all the photos in the scrapbook that show him in Ben’s “shadow.” He might’ve been a failed child actor and then Ben was the star. Did Dickie Murder his “brother” to have his big break with Loretta? 👀👀
Loretta seems to be obsessed with Ben and Dickie, more than the first stalker that they arrested earlier in the season and how he said he was trying to find the murderer, what if it was Loretta? Who was the bigger stalker?
Maybe this season we will have a male killer. But then again, given the crime, women are the more passionate killers.
Poor stalker Gregg, replaced by Loretta as the #1 stalker ... lol. Do you think there are 2 killers? The poisoner and the pusher?
I have a theory about Loretta and the killer so I've been waiting since yesterday for your video since yesterday to share it, lol.
- Loretta makes it clear that she had a wild past and specifically mentions certain female friends by name.
- I believe Loretta got pregnant young but decided that she wasn't a good fit to be a mother and either gave her triplets up to her friend, or for adoption. She did what a mother had to do to protect her children. I have theories for both possibilities, but wonder if it's more possible that they went to a stranger because that would support the idea that only Dickie and Ben ended up together, and the third triplet was sent elsewhere. If the babies went to one of her friends, then she might've been in the lives of her biological children as 'aunt Loretta', and that would explain why she knows that Ben was terrible to Dickie.
- As Loretta got older and realised that her career wasn't going the way she wanted, she felt guilt at giving up her kids and regret at missing out on being a mother and took steps to reach out to them and get to know them. If it wasn't a closed adoption, she would've been able to find out who the kids were or where they went.
- Note that it is scientifically possible to have two triplets be identical and one who looks different, so there could be two identical 'Bens' and then Dickie who is the third triplet.
- Loretta's collection of pictures isn't indicative of stalker behaviour. A stalker would have the pictures out on display proudly in some kind of a shrine situation. A scrapbook of achievements or as close as she can get to photographs of her sons is the behaviour of a mother. They're something precious that she takes out and looks at when sitting in her contemplatative spot by the window, which may well be what she was doing when we saw her first sat there in the opening episode of the series.
- When Loretta found out that Ben wanted to be on broadway, as was clear by the article in her scrapbook, she decided to try to get cast in the plays that he would be in to be close to him. From his reaction to her at the table read, he may not have known who she was at first. However, it's possible that Loretta had already reached out to Dickie and got the information about the play from him. Dickie might already have known that Loretta was their mother and told her where to audition to get close to Ben. Loretta using Dickie as a means of being a part of Ben's life would explain why he called her a snake. It also explains why she was late to the original audition and wasn't on the call sheet, it was a last minute decision on her part.
- If Ben was as terrible to Dickie as Loretta says, it's likely that Ben forbade Dickie from talking to their mother upon pain of firing him or cutting him out of his life. This could have cost Dickie his career and the love of a mother, and this is why I believe he poisoned Ben. In fact, I believe that Ben might've been poisoned before he confronted Loretta on set, as he stumbled on his way down the lighthouse stairs and past Charles, almost like he was drunk or off kilter. The cookies could be a red herring.
- Ben may have reflected on his behaviour while Joy was helping him with the mark on his face, and wrote 'fucking pig' on the mirror as a means of angrily processing what Loretta had called him, perhaps even agreeing 'Yeah, I am a fucking pig' as he did.
- Loretta was clearly upset at Ben's first death but also managed to move through it, I wonder if he had done something or threatened to do something to Dickie and she was relieved that Dickie would be spared Ben's abuse which was why she reacted the way she did.
- Loretta left the party around the same time as Ben and Dickie. I believe that the three of them were in front of the elevator and both 'Ben' and Loretta had an argument. Ben grabbed Loretta the way he did on the lighthouse prop, Dickie got between them to separate them, and accidentally shoved Ben back into the elevator shaft in a bid to protect Loretta from him. I also think that this will lead to Loretta making a false confession to protect Dickie because, again, a mother would do anything to protect her son.
A lot of what you say sounds plausible. I don't believe Ben was poisoned before he confronted Loretta. He's very angry when he speaks, clearly, to Oliver before he goes on stage to start his performance. I can't remember Ben's exact words but it was like he's the !@-/bag you need to talk to...Oliver said he did...Ben asks if he apologized. I believe he was clearly speaking about Charles after he punched Ben.
Love this feedback Would the podcast trio expose Dickie as the true killer? Or let Loretta wish to "take the fall" for Dickie be?
I wish I didn't have to work my job & could put these videos out sooner. I need to hear your theories! :)
@@DoublePMedia You're super quick with your videos and we all love them! I think Oliver would want to bail Loretta out of this situation by proving Dickie to be a killer but if Meryl Streep is only due to be in one season they might let her take the fall. On the other hand he might betray her wishes and have Dickie convicted and she could go to prison for impeding the investigation. It could get really messy.
Donna left town quickly. That’s kind of suspicious.
But did she bring her lip-locking friend: son Cliff???
I haven't heard anybody address the idea that "Cobro," apart from being a silly reference to a cobra, might also mean "Co-bro," or two brothers.
Yes, Ep 1 when Ben says "he is a cobra but also a bro." Smart eyes on reddit picked up on hints on the posters that there are 3 brothers. Morons think it's a twin, savvy theories make Tobert as the secret 3rd brother.
I'm not down with the "twin" theory at all, but the idea that Dickie is Loretta's son given up for adoption does appeal to me a lot. Maybe Dickie found out about his relation to Loretta and killed Ben to protect his biological mother from Ben's abuse? Also, the theory that Ben's first death was him going into the White Room makes sense to me.
One of the Arconiacs theorized the eBay hanky buyer is the killer & I’ve been thinking the stalker that grabbed Mabel & Oliver is the one that bought Kimber’s hanky! He was eliminated by the crew bc he loved Ben too much
I thought when Mabel asked him where he got it, he said he took it from Ben's apartment.
Yeah, and if the stalker Gregg did get into the Arconia to steal Ben's hankie... Lester should be fired, they need more security!
This is soooo far into fanfiction theory territory, I’m not even sure I like this (even though it’s my own idea), but here we go:
We know Oliver and Loretta know eachother form the Studio 54 days, but what if their connection was deeper than we knew? What if they anonymously hooked up, leading to Loretta becoming pregnant, and eventually Gavin’s birth to Dickie, giving Oliver that biological son he thought he no longer had in season two (also giving Oliver’s words to Loretta of “where have you been?” a whole new meaning).
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Awesome theories! A Ghost Light or Corpse Light is a light that doesn't illuminate anything.
Will all the characters in the play end up being represented by the cast and crew members just as a fun Easter egg? A mother, nanny, godmother, father, detective, constable, three children and a boatman? We have Donna as a mother, Cliff, Ben and Dickie as three children, Detective Williams is bound to be back etc Just a fun thought...
Here's my latest theory:
Based on the theme of the nanny/mother resorting to murder to protect a child, and the imagery of the mother elephant rescuing her child from the mud, I think the mastermind of Ben's murder could be Donna. Contents of Maxine's review could of have leaked and when Donna learns of the dismal review, she knew she had to do something to rescue Cliff's first production effort. She buys insurance for the play then forms a plan to sabotage it by killing off Ben. Potentially, she could also have recruited K.T to assist her in her plot, and may have paid Tobert to report on Ben's whereabouts. With Ben dead and the insurance company covering the losses, Donna had no intention of reviving the play even though she admitted "it was a lovely song" in reference to Loretta's & Kimber's showstopping performances.
I've also wondered about why Ben, who has never done theater work before, would be cast as the lead in the play. Could Donna & Ben have been involved in a past relationship, and could Donna have been the person in Ben's dressing room on opening night? That would have given her the opportunity to put poison in the serum that Ben uses, or brought in poisoned cookies.
Another thought: at the party in ep 1, Ben addresses Cliff as “boy” twice - could this be a hint Ben could be his dad???
Update:
If Donna was also the producer for the documentary, that means Tobert works for Donna, & the majority of the documentary profits as a result of Ben's death would go to her, offsetting the losses from the failed play. That would be a big motive for murder.
J.T. - let the OMITB writers have put as much intelligence into this story as you have!
Thank you for the video!
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Guys!!!! I think I cracked this one (credit to my Wife also for parts of this theory lol!!!) Tobert is Ben and Dickie's third brother. Loretta is their mother but they all have different dads. Ben probably didn't know she was their mom until the night of the premier when they got into an argument or maybe right after he got poisoned. She gave all three up to continue pursuing acting. She felt great guilt for this. Tobert was trying to poison his own half brother and frame their mother for his murder. The wildest part of this theory is... that Ben is still alive. The night he was poisoned Mabel either realized after he was poisoned or figured it out before, then she created a plot to catch who'd tried to kill him, and everyone except for maybe Charles and Oliver are in on this plot. Mabel has known or suspected it was Tobert since the night of the premier, but needed a way to catch him and send him to jail. At the end of the season she'll be faced with the dilemma that she essentially solved Ben's (almost) murder without Charles' and Oliver's help, she'll think about Cindy Canning's offer one more time, but she'll tell them they ultimately knew it was Tobert all along too but only subconsciously, and they helped her put together the pieces of the puzzle to catch Tobert. The whole cast other than Charles and Oliver (or maybe they're in on it too?) are carrying out a plot to catch Tobert and get him arrested - all at the direction of Mabel. Remember, "The play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king." That's why Loretta's monologue about being a mother who would do anything for her kids was so emotional. She abandoned all three of her sons to continue pursuing acting. Dang Only Murders, I'm loving this season so far... 🔥🔥🔥
You married a smart woman!
@@DoublePMedia I know right? Lol!!
It's brilliant! I want Mabel to marry Ben Glenroy now lol
@@ghdu_beanie_olsen I mean yeah except that she's in her 30s I think and he's in his 50s
@@keithbushsuarez7445 to be honest I don't see the issue here. They are on the same level mentally at this point. Age difference is less tangible when the youngest partner is at least 30 years old (I think)
I think the red mark on Ben's face was actually a red herring! In this episode, Ben and Charles' fight was displayed in a way that made it very obvious that Ben got slapped on the left side of his face, then he reappeared with a mark on the right side.
So, here's my timeline/theory:
- Most likely, Loretta confronted Ben about having followed his or Dickie's life from afar, showing interest in getting closer to them;
- Charles interrupted Ben and Loretta's fight and slapped him, leaving a mark on his cheek.
- Ben had to get the mark covered up by Joy, who accidentally left the lipstick in his dressing room
- We're told Loretta was backstage during opening night's events. Still upset, she likely snuck into Ben's dressing room, picked up the lipstick and left that message on the mirror;
- We got lots of proof that Ben was a prankster, a tasteless one at that, so his collapsing was likely a prank, the blood was paint. This explains why they mentioned it couldn't have been poison so persistently.
- Perhaps he then got nervous and actually fainted/went into "the white room", since this was his first stage performance. The white room was too emphasized to be inconsequential.
- When Ben appeared at the party with a red mark on the right side of his face, it was paint! fake blood can be pretty hard to take off.
Not Diana, it seems odd that we're not shown the beginning of the fight on the lighthouse... is Loretta leaving something out?
Oh my goodness, both Dickie and Tobert had a hand in it, they're both half brothers to Ben, Tobert is the real villain though... 😬
This sheds more but LESS light on Ben’s killer. I don’t think Dickie is Loretta’s son; she would be more obsessed with him than with Ben. She has an obsession with Ben but not the ‘crush’ kind; more like the vengeance for a wrongdoing. Maybe the actress from Girlcop is her daughter and he treated her terribly? Maybe Loretta tried out for Girlcop on something Ben was in but he cost her the role?
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that she produced a purple joint rolled by Oliver. She appears to have been obsessed with him, but not in the ‘love’ way. She almost left the production for a tv role. Doesn’t sound like an obsessed fan (maybe a broke one?) I think the ‘Valium in the water bottle’ trick is something SHE pulled on someone else, something a ‘snake’ would do! Is there a fan book on Oliver? I think she keeps tabs on people who stood in her way or cost her a role.
I think in the finale Mabel will get the all white apartment, and the trio will make the killer(s) think THEY are in a White Room, having a hallucination. Does Loretta go to the White room? what does she see??
Jonathan’s connection to the doctor is prob either tickets to the musical, or an autopsy report.
Love the idea about the killer being sent to the White Room in the finale
Poppy says Cinda knew where the bodies were buried & there were a lot of them. Think she’s involved with Tobert or her husband is Dr C--remember she had a ton of pills that went flying when she couldn’t open them? Think she Loretta’s daughter & dickies sister becaus I think it would make sense of the female blonde doll as the triplet & if so, think she’s the moriaty stage managing dickie or Howard to have a hand in Ben’s death.
Poppy said her teeth aren’t real & Oliver loses one, dickie breaks a jade egg, she inserts on & squats over a mirror which is like mimicking child birth, think they shared a WOMB?
that would be sick! in a good way :)
I feel Loretta is the mother of Glen, Dickie, and Tobert. Both Loretta and Tobert are keeping Oliver and Mabel occupied and swerving them in wrong directions on the case. Tobert murdered Ben and is using his death as a chance to gain his own fame. When Loretta started an acting career Glen didn’t want any part of it as it would take him out of the limelight (or perhaps there’s something more about his past to be revealed). Dickie is representing his mother because, well, she’s his mother.
If Loretta is the Momma Elephant to stuck in the mud Tobert, that would be a HUGE twist!
could have been Loretta trying to protect Dickie from finding out if she’s his actual mother if Ben knew was threatening to out her
that would be ice cold. To hide her secret, she pushes Ben down to his death!
The medication the doctor is prescribing is probably something like Propecia. We know Ben used it, so Jonathan is probably doing the same thing.
I still think the same thing re: my theory. Loretta is Dickie's mother, she poisoned the cookies to save her son from an abusive Ben. She thought he was dead, so she was really shocked when he came back to the party. After the party she just went home.
But the rest of the cast went upstairs and confronted Ben. They all hated him. Dickie pushed him down the elevator shaft, but they were all in on it.
I think Loretta will essentially get away with because she covered her tracks. But the cast is getting arrested! And hopefully after this The Arconia will get a few security cameras!
I dont mind you going into the twin theory, I just hope that it isn't that. Feels like an easier way out for the show.
It does seem too fantastic a twist
@DoublePMedia The problem is it's been allowed to take up too much time, shutting out theories that (sorry not sorry) are too ludicrous to be considered. There are a dozen angles that have not gotten attention and probably a dozen more unnoticed because people with zero critical thinking skills took up all the oxygen with "Joy and Jan are twins" "Loretta is a twin" "Will has a twin". I know we all want to be nice, but some ideas are too stupid to be possible and the more airtime they get, the more they multiply.
@@la_scrittice_vita Double P created a lovely safe space for people to not be afraid sharing what is on their mind (no matter how lunatic or far-fetched) and I really appreciate that! Let's not ruin this ambience of feeling welcomed and not judged
I think Chicago figures into it somehow. There is one scene where Oliver, Charles and Mable dance in sequined costumes in a very Fosse-esque "Chicago" routine. The name of the musical is "Death Rattle Dazzle," which could be a nod to the song, "Razzle Dazzle" in Chicago. The ferry horn sounds like the beginning of "All That Jazz" in Chicago. Jason Veasey (Jonathan) was in "Chicago Fire." Donna says, about musical theater addicts, "you gotta give 'em what they ask for" -- again, I think that's the line that leads into "Razzle Dazzle." Queen Latifah played Mama Morton in "Chicago" and Ben wrote her a nasty letter. Dr. "C.," in the last episode. There is a Goodman Theater in Chicago (GC?).
What if Loretta is Cliff's aunt, explaining the Christmas card, and why she never got a chance if Donna sabotages her own shows (producers theory?)
Maybe Loretta was late for this audition because Donna sabotaged her again. This could be evidence that Donna killed Ben.
That just doesn't explain Loretta's obsession with Ben, though I still find it hard to believe that she would call her son/nephew/etc a "fucking pig," if the idea of protecting children under her care resonates with her. But maybe she was Dickie's teacher or babysitter.
Mabel has had to deal with people trying to get close to her by lying to her, I don't think that is a way it get her into a real relationship. Particularly because that is the second time Tobert lied to her.
He has a history of lying? Do you think Tobert is innocent? Or evil?
I think Loretta is suspicious. I aso do not trust Tobert. Love the show. Love queen Salena
The Queen rules fine, she don't need no King Tobert :)
Jeez, this season has me so confused lol. I don’t have much to say about Loretta this week, I’m still thinking lol. And although I don’t have any complete theories right now, I just want to point out a few things I have noticed regarding Charles and the “white room”.
1)Have we ever heard the whole Pickwick song or has Charles gone to the “white room” everytime before finishing it? Maybe there’s a clue in the end of that song. And what is it about that song that causes him to get that way?
2)Charles was an actor on a major tv show. Did he have issues going to the “white room” while filming Brazzo’s? Or is this just a theatre thing? It seems pretty sudden to me.
3)During play rehearsals, Charles went to the “white room”
and came out of it pretty rough, cursing and causing others to feel uncomfortable. When he went to the “white room” in his apartment, he supposedly proposed to Joy? What made that time different? 🤔
Anyway, love your videos! Can’t wait till next week! ❤
Thanks! Fight thru that confusion!
This is my first attempt of guessing the end if there are twins. The sweet, innocent one Ben with the help of Dicky tried to kill the awful one 'Cam' at the theatre but it didn't work. The nasty one returns and kills the sweet one in the elevator shaft. The nasty one still lives, but no-one knows this yet. He's planning to make life miserable for them all, particularly Charles. When he's revealed, Loretta will kill him in protection of Dickey. No-one will tell the police but hide the body, and they will end the podcast with a different solution. Charles will end up with Joy, Loretta with Oliver, and Mabel will find her purpose. 😂😂😂
Love this, did not see the Podcast Trio helping cover up the final crime! Wicked!
Well the "adopted" brother brings more into focus. One of the Lorettas (still feel she is the twin) gives baby up (bad thing she references). Keeps tabs on him through the years. I don't feel Mom Loretta or Dickie are the killers though. Wonder if the picture of her and her mom has two little girls in the picture! Tobert is doing a doc on the podcasters.....I don't trust him at all!
Tobert is too perfect which makes him super sus
@@DoublePMedia Except if you are a baby elephant.
I still kinda think Tobbert is undercover, they always get given bad names
Would be great if Tobert's last name was Roberts :)
I def think Mabel is honey potting Tobert. He's openly lied to her 3 times and Mabel would keep note of that.
During this most recent episode, I kept wondering: WHY isn't smart Mabel asking to look at Tobert's documentary footage??? He was in the theater opening night, yet she's only seen a small part of the camera in Ben's dressing room!
Seems the Ben/tattoo thing is a mistake and there are no twin or triplets. Very disappointed Mabel is being duped by Tobert. He clearly has an agenda, not saying hes the killer, but hes after something (other than bedding Mabel). I first thought Mabel was on to Tobert and was just going along to see what he would reveal himself, but I was wrong on that. With only 4 episodes left (last episode is reveal) it seems the only real suspects we have are Loretta, Tobert, and Joy as they are the only ones with significant screen time other than the 3 stars. Maybe that will change and start to point towards Cliff and Mom as we know Mathew Broderick and Mel Brooks will be showing up and could be an indicator that the producers are following The Producers strat and design a bomb. Because they either need to get other suspects significant screen time in the next 4 weeks, or it will feel like a very Sbooby-Doo type ending.
I keep seeing the Killer being unmasked on stage during Death Rattle Dazzle's opening night
@@DoublePMedia That would be a reveal that Oliver would deserve.
There are also a few Shakespeare references in this show. Could Dickey be a Richard The Third, the least of the three triplets (adopted illegimate triplet, a spin off of a spin off ) and most sinister of them all? 'A mother of a dermatologist with a limp'? Richard the third was depicted with spinal problems, (causing a limp when he walked), and a dermatologist reflects that there is something going on underneath the skin, aka the surface. I think Dickey is the most conniving of all and he will show his true face at the end, to the shock of his mum Loretta.
I'm enjoying your videos, bravo for your 'rap 😊
I think Tobert is the killer and has a complicated backstory we'll learn about soon. He got close to Ben for a yet, unknown reason, and is trying to influence Mabel and point her in another direction, like Jan and Poppy did.
I love hearing all the theories and mine is just a wild guess lol. 😅
LOL - my rap was so close to perfect 😂.
So i think Loretta is the mother of Dicky who was adopted as Ben's brother. Also where is the producer and her son? I think she is paying for Ben's Documentary.I think the producer knew this about Loretta and Dicky and she wanted to unveil this on video with her making the profit. Lotetta was conversing with Ben that she knew the play for the unveil, hints the argument. Ben is talking to the producer in his room saying, you shouldn't be here indicating a thought out plan being disrupted. Ben threatened to tell Dicky out of guilt and the producer kills Ben out of anger and the loss of the productions shock reveal. so now that explains why she wanted out so fast after Ben died. To cut all ties!!
Really like the idea of Donna paying for Ben's documentary
@DoublePMedia well i was at least right shit the producer being the killer half way
It would have been awesome if we did a poll of who would narrate the following episodes, what it would be about and why?
Good question: Who still needs to narrate: Tobert? Dickie? Donna & Cliff? Howard?
Will Loretta also narrate? Or if Ben had a twin, would he?
Loretta is sus | Joy, she gone | Tobert shouldn't get too comfortable, he'll be back at Grey's Anatomy in 4 episodes!
You didn't mention Jonathan and Howard breaking up
Tovert seem so shady/scary
Y’know, this episode may explain how I found a tooth in the New York river 😂
Haha anotehr mystery solved xDD
I saw a pretty good video earlier saying it was Bobo
It could be Bobo - yet for me, I'd need more clues toward Bobo
Love the video
Thank you!
Thinking maybe.... Loretta is mom to triplets years ago and gives them up for her career and the last brother remaining killed the other two over jealousy and to have a relationship with Loretta. Oliver's play/musical is about a nanny and triplets after all. Theories Theories 🤔
How in the world did Oliver's play line up so brilliantly with Ben Glenroy's life???
Either Tobert has to know a lot more to Ben's life than he is letting on, or Ben chose to have a documentarian, so the twin had no chance of switching places and spoiling his limelight.
I thoroughly enjoy your creative style of breakdown. 😊
Y’know most parents keep scrapbooks containing newspaper articles of their child’s success so maybe Loretta really *IS* related to Ben!
I would like to have an answer as to why Charles is wearing a detective costume when he's playing the constable and we saw the constable costume sketch at the read through. Maybe he gets mistaken for Ben in all those theatre mishaps because of this costume. Another play of double identities.
Maybe Loretta didn't give Dickie away for adoption but he was raised by her sister ... Babette. Loretta and Bebette could be fun sibling names.
Does anybody else think Joy is getting too toxic? She can't say anything nice about Lucy. And she over dramatizes what would be an understandable question, knowing that he has trauma with Jan. The shattering glass, with Charles making up excuses for her behavior makes me think she did him a favor breaking off the engagement. And that she is hiding something, but is not the murderer.
currently, Joy is heartbroken, so I can't be too tough on her at the moment. In a couple of day, I'll agree with you :)
I think its Dickie. Always in the background and the person you least expect.
And or Dickie and Tobert. tobert is not to be trusted.
Tobert better not break Mabel's heart!
Been thinking about Donna. Donna didn’t kill him but I think she makes her money by over insuring plays and productions. Howard and his State Farm connect are to make us think about insurance. Can’t figure out Cliff. I think he is just a victim in Donna’s ploy and in more ways than one … lol
Donna and Cliff need to fire Howard for his constant State Farm coup attempts!
Everyone: “Ben may have an identical twin afterall”
Me: 🧢🍳
*YAY! YOU DID IT BUBBA! YOU FAILED THE SONG AT THE END BUT YOU STILL DID IT!* 👏👏👏👏👏👏
LOL! I failed my audition. Charles' understudy has job security
@@DoublePMedia Like Howard you can be the assistant
What if it's the twin's initials on his fingers, not a mirror image of Girl Cop? Cam Glenroy? Caleb Glenroy? Clint Glenroy? Notice how Ben highlights his name in the third person when he must take the serious phone call?
So Mable spaced out/white roomed when Bunny was killed, now Charles is spacing out/white rooming on stage and proposed to Jan when he wanted to do the opposite. So maybe Charles was there when Ben was pushed down the elevator.
has Oliver had his "white room" moment yet?
@@DoublePMedia The closest thing I can remember is when Oliver visualized the person walking up the stairs and falling off and bouncing up again in Season 1 Epsode 1
I think Dicki is highly suspicious. I go with the Twin/Triplet Theorie and that Ben 1 died in the theater. I watch the series in German and there they say that Ben was claimed dead. So in Germany you are not claimed dead when you try to revive someone. When they say that, it is the end. But I guess this could be a mistake in the translation, because it seems that they still tried to save him. But so or so it doesn‘t make sense. Ben clearly did not just eat something. And no hospital would let someone walk out of the hospital like this. I still don‘t know how they managed to keep it secret that ‚Ben‘ died. But I thought about it and maybe he did not died under the Name Ben Glenroy. Imagine: Dicki giving the hospital the passport of the Twin, Ben 2. So the doctors wouldn‘t think that the famous Ben Glenroy died. Maybe Ben 2 even has another second name, so they would think someone totally different died. And when they did not know his face - and he ist not that much famous that EVERYONE has to know him - no one would be suspicious. So, coming back to Episode One, to the Party. I rewtached the episode and noticed that Dicki seems to be extreme nervous. Look at it: while Ben talks to everyone - without saying anything real specific btw - Dicki looks to left and right, he seems nervous, scared, always watching the others. Like he is scared that Ben 2‘s Perfomance is too much and he could uncover hisself. I think Dicki just wanted to ‚show‘ Ben 2 so that they can go. I even think the call could be fake and a way for Dicki to shut Ben 2 up.
I don't think Joy did it, but I do think she's in on the twin secret.
Are you happy that Joy left Charles?
@DoublePMedia heck no she's so good for him!
The first thing is Tobert suggested he was the Dr to Ben. Tobert has lied before. I don't think the guys a Dr at all but we'll see.
Yes, Tobert is a major suspect but that is in no way "too soon" for Mabel. S1 she's into suspect Oscar, S2 she not only hooks up with extremely shifty Alice, she flirts with Theo. She's into killers and suspects.
C.F. the cleavage on display. Subconsciously at least, and probably consciously, she knew it was a date. That hot factor goes way beyond "the place has a dress code."
She swipes right for shady mates :)
first! wish i hadn't watched the spoiler - thats it
Well, we'll know that fact in the next 3 episodes at some point. Maybe next week. Possibly not the biggest spoiler
Ben could have added the mark to his face for the after party by looking in a mirror so it would be on the wrong side.
Kim, always with the smart take!
Not all the articles have pictures including dickie though
I think Loretta is Ben's mother 🤔
I love Joy but one thing stuck out to me
Sazz said «Almond Joy»
Almond Joy is a type of cookie!
Almond can conceal the smell and taste of cyanide poison too
LOL - I've read too many mystery novels - I know you are correct!!!
The Ben being a triplet thing doesn't make sense. Excuse Ben said when he was a young child actor, he had to support his mom and brother. Not multiple brothers or a sister too
Do you think the finger tattoos is a production mistake?
Wait, so with a name like Ben Glenroy..... what if it's triplets named Ben, Glen and Roy. And that Ben Glenroy is just a stage name they all use.
And the phone call "Ben" got at the after party when he was revealed "alive", it was a triplet warning him to get away cus the killer was after all of them.
Ben is so terrible, you've got to kill him 3 times :)
@@DoublePMediagotta find a way to make it stick.
The entire premise that a guy that did Cobro would do a stage play for a shaky director (sorry Oliver) is a bit off brand. I think one of the twins forced the stage role against the others will. Just because they are twins doesnt mean they both act or act well or like the same things or people.
Ben was cast before Oliver was given the directing role. Producers have the money, they get to decide. Maybe Ben was on board because the play involved triplets.
What if the stunt double killed him
She should've killed Ben's stunt double too ;)
The show has totally confused me. One day I say this person did it. The next episode someone else was involved. In the meantime I'm just enjoying the show
110% correct attitude! This show has everything: A couple of show-stopping musical numbers - some laughs - dead Paul Rudd! :)
I think dickie is the killer Ben treat him like servant not a brother he just got tired of it
I think that's where most of the clues point, but Dickie isn't in many of the episodes?!?
loretta looking mighty sus after this one
Poor Oliver! I wonder if he'll tell Charles & Mabel... he may not want to ruin his best relationship in decades
@@DoublePMedia charles and oliver keeping some very important secrets. Mable too unless she tells them tobert saw the evidence board
@@DoublePMedia also i love the idea that her scrapbook of ben is a misdirect and its actually about dickie. Makes a lot of sense but also doesnt bc we dont know what their deal is
My theory is that Cliff did it because he wanted to get his mother money and we’ve seen very much that he loves (sometimes sickly) his mother
We need Cliff to come back and be part of the mix!