I'm going to mention something that will likely be VERY unpopular. The example you and other TH-camrs show makes this very clear to me. Canon has likely disabled IBIS with third party lenses and accessories. On your video, the Mieke adaptor is having issues, on Mark Wiemels its the 7Artisens lenses. I think Canon is taking the RF and 3rd party accessories very serious this time around, and likely going to tick off a lot of customers.
Exactly Bro ,im not a canon user but been reading theri articles about not using third party lenses. Canon no longer works with third party. R7 ibis have no issue , customers will be upset because canon will force them only use their lenses
So looking at the adapted EF and EF-S lenses with IS. Do you think the Image stability using the R7 with IBIS is actually WORSE than using those same lenses on an EF Camera with no BIS? It looks to me like the IBIS might be fighting with the lens IS, which we have seen happen in other systems.
For me, the ibis can't even be used on the sigma 24-70 EF, only digital IS. And I'm sure that's a problem with some other EF lenses, so that's something to consider
I have been testing the R7 IBIS on fully manual lenses, taking the lens IS out of the equation. Turns out the IBIS is just terrible, the worst IBIS I have ever tested.
Hmm, why did you not try the original Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R? The Meike adapter may be cheaper, but not water or dust resistant to protect the camera. Also read reviews that the Meike is not exactly light-proof either, and sometimes not a tight fit on the EF lens. One more important thing to mention, Canon mirrorless cameras can tell if a third party Canon lens is attached, even with IS, which means AF or IS may not work or work effectively, though the image or video can still be captured. I use the Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R adapter and works well with all Canon EF and Sigma EF lenses. Best to use quality components on a quality camera. Saving the dollar on third party stuff can mean frustrations in the end.
The answer is that I am a cheap. It's one of the reasons I don't shoot shoot full frame. Also size and weight of cameras and lenses to be fair to myself. You do have a point though. I'll give it a try and head back to the bridge and do it again. However the ef and ef-s fit very securely on my meike and I haven't had any issues with light leaks. It is possible that the stabilization data isn't being passed properly though, so we'll see.
Hey can you tell me with the 18-150mm lens kit, what are the best settings for stabilization? I find my footage isnt all that stable, just when standing still - nevermind walking. I have the stabilization on, do I have to turn on the digital stabilization as well? I shoot in Auto+ mode.
I've been using the R7 with the stock 18-150 lens for a several months now and it's ruined a lot of shots. The IBIS warps the crap out of the footage. Slow, side-to-side movements while shooting interiors, building exteriors, and the background when shooting vlogs.
The conclusion is pretty clear: customers should wait until Canon actually releases the native lens(es) that they need for the way they shoot. They pulled the same shenanigans with EF-S and then EF-M: years and years of rumours upon rumours of upcoming lenses... only to be disappointed and see both systems killed now. Ignore these camera bodies until the right lenses actually come out. There are market leading / professional / affordable options with the competition; or I would say sticking with the older EF-S / EF-M systems for now, would also be a better option at this stage.
What about with the adapter to EF lenses? Namely the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 art lens? I have that left over from my Panasonic GH line + speed booster days and I was hoping to use it with this camera as an at home/vacation setup. I need a hybrid camera with quality photo and video which the FX30 doesn't do. My priorities for video are 4K, good IBIS and good autofocus - hopefully as good as the FX3 which I use full time at work. The R7 looked like exactly the thing I was after but I'm hesitant now if the IBIS won't work with an EF lens adapter.
Not sure how well the IBIS works with the Sigma unfortunately. Try the Canon r7 Facebook group. I'm positive you will find the answer there. The AF is amazing with all the lenses I tried with it
Hi Michael, your video has made a lot of things more clear. Thanks for that! But, what I’m very disappointed in is the ibis in conjunction with the lens IS of the canon rf-s 18-150mm. According to my experience the claimed 7 stops are not real. I tested at 150mm and because it was a bright sky i shot at 1/500 of a second and still had movement unsharpness. And if I count the 7 stops I virtually took this shot at 1/64000 th of a second right? (500 x 2 x 2 x 2 etc)So there shouldn’t be any movement in the shot. Of course I made shure the IS and IBIS was on (if you switch on one of them the other one automatically swiches on)… To have an alternative I mounted the the canon Ef-Eos rf adapter and put my older Ef-s 55-250 mm and the shots where without any movement in the same conditions. Am I doing something wrong or is the lens or my body r7 broken? Thanks a lot for your advice in advance! Kind regards, herman
I doubt there is anything wrong with your camera. It's probably just the lens itself. Perhaps it is indeed 7 stops, but not 7 stops under every condition. I wonder what would happen if the focal length wasn't at the very top of the range, but instead at 100mm. These companies use the marketing hype to attract us. What they say can be true, but only in perfect situations. You know what I mean?
Yes, I found this out today and subsequently came across Michael's video here. I'm using the Canon RF-EF converter and the Sigma 10-20 is unusable with IBIS video
I'd be curious to know if the performance differs if you use an Canon branded RF to EF adapter and/or focal reducer as opposed to something from viltrox or Mikei
Sup Mike?! I'm eyeing the R7 for my classroom. Is it possible to have a battery inside the camera, but power the R7 with USB-C and battery bank instead? My goal is for long recording. Like, think dance shows and plays that are hours long. Thanks!
What's up. I don't think so. When I looked in the manual it says that the camera can charge the batteries only when the camera is off using a Canon adapter sold separately. I tried a power bank and nothing happens. That's disappointing to me. Not a good option to do what you mentioned. Get a FX30. Bet you that can do it. I haven't checked yet though
Could be. I heard about the crack down. If they want to crack down then they should develop more rf-s glass. Hopefully they announce some better options this year.
@@MichaelWTurner yeah, I agree. I get why they're doing it, given their lenses are where they make their biggest profits, but it still feels like it hurts the consumer.
thank you for this. I been holding off on the R7 because of this. Can you test with the EF 24-70 2.8 LII? it doesn't have any stab and its my main lenses
thanks, soo, what about i use 50mm lens , stabilisation with IBIS will be completly garbage- stabilisation OFF ? or R7 can deal with canon50mm constant focal length lens?
If it is an AF lens, it should work fine according to Mark's vid th-cam.com/video/1bwjmR2H2z4/w-d-xo.html. I don't own one so hard for me to say for certain
Hello. Can you record 4K 60p without cropp and time limit with this camera? Can you use the viewer finder when you are recording video, like you would do on a camcoder?
This is a matrix stabilizer problem. 1. Turn on the camera menu - to record video without a lens. 2. Pull the 10-18 lens out of the camera. 3. Turn on the camera without a lens and in the settings of the matrix stabilizer set the focal length parameters for manual lenses - 10m. 4. Press the 10-18 lens against the adapter, but do not snap. And you will see how your camera will stabilize well at a focal length of 10mm. I think that the kenon simply does not want users to use old lenses. From a technical point of view, you can stabilize for all lenses from kenon. I claim it, as I'm an electronics engineer!
RF lenses with IS and Canon bodies with IBIS work together using coordinated IS to give the best stab possible. So, EF-s (with IS) lenses are going to be a little worse than RF (With IS) lenses. Did you try the RF 16 or 24 mm on there? They are both small and light so no issues there (and no adapter). And you still get the same crop factor you get with EF-s and RF-s lenses.
I missed the part where you tried another RF lens That someone might want to try. I realize there are few choices wide enough for bloggers but it might answer the question on what works. It also might be interesting to try the Laowa 10mm 'cookie' with IBIS manually set for 10mm since the lens has no contacts.
@@MichaelWTurner He referred me to you. Did you consider that some lenses with internal focus might not be 18mm focal length when you are set to 18mm. What is the result if you lie to a manual setting and say that 85mm manual is some other number (more or less)? Is the bad performance worse when you input incorrectly. I don't shoot video but note that the still manual setting defaults back to 50mm every time you turn off the camera. I wonder if testers have ensured that it was set at what they thought it was. Your video asks some good questions but I can't help thinking that those twelve pins on RF lenses might be involved here.
@@dougsmit1 I can't answer any manual lens questions because I don't own any that will work with RF. I own some Nikon AIS manual lenes, but I don't have a Nikon to RF adapter if it exists. Honestly I prefer AF lenses anyway. I buy Sony and Canon cameras for their excellent AF performance. For the type of shooting I do, I feel it is a necessity.
I have the opposite - a lot of Sony glass. I actually have a lot of efs lenses but most are not high quality. The best one I own is the 17-55 mm f2.8. I don't want to buy the more expensive RF zooms
@@MichaelWTurner I’ve been looking at getting a 24 70 2.8 sigma but I’ve been really looking at the 17 55 2.8 to save some money. I have a canon C200 and BM cams. All super 35. I’ve been nervous about the quality of that 17 55.
Sometimes the service or politics of companies put profit over products and support. That’s when you break that relationship and move on. Same reason I will never buy Sony or Canon
I do not own any camera at the moment, currently researching. I get people been mad for canon not letting third party companies build lenses for them. However, closed ecosystem also has its benefits, Apple has been doing it since the start and look at their success. If you are not happy with Canon's decition, move on to another brand.
Canon is notorious for not supporting their aps-c lines with their own lenses. They didn't make many for EF-S or the M mount, so if they do the same thing with the RF-S mount and also won't let other manufacturers make lenses, where does that leave the customer?
@@MichaelWTurner I totally agree with you, when I said "you" I meant general public. If people are not happy with Canon's decision, there are many other great choices out there. What most people miss here is that Canon leads the digital camera market 48% followed by Sony 22%, this is why they did it, they know people will continue buying their cameras because are number 1 based on market share. Going back to Apple, remember when they took the headphone jack out? everyone was upset, Apple this and that, still, every other manufacturer followed them and people continued to buy the iPhone. I would not be surprised if Sony and others follow Canon on this one
Tell me about it. I was already practicing for my next video where I discuss this exact topic. I've used the r7 for a few weddings at this point and I'm not impressed for numerous reasons. Sony FX30 here I come!
The smaller the sensor the easier it is to stabilise. GoPros and iPhones demonstrate that. Of the ‘real cameraS’ the micro four thirds cameras from Olympus and Panasonic are the best. The MFT sensors are smaller than APSC.
I'm going to mention something that will likely be VERY unpopular. The example you and other TH-camrs show makes this very clear to me. Canon has likely disabled IBIS with third party lenses and accessories. On your video, the Mieke adaptor is having issues, on Mark Wiemels its the 7Artisens lenses. I think Canon is taking the RF and 3rd party accessories very serious this time around, and likely going to tick off a lot of customers.
Exactly Bro ,im not a canon user but been reading theri articles about not using third party lenses. Canon no longer works with third party. R7 ibis have no issue , customers will be upset because canon will force them only use their lenses
No surprise. Canon is kinda like Apple to me when it comes to undercutting things to work in their favor.
I use the Canon 18-135 EF-S with the Canon adapter and have not had a single issue with stabilization
So looking at the adapted EF and EF-S lenses with IS. Do you think the Image stability using the R7 with IBIS is actually WORSE than using those same lenses on an EF Camera with no BIS? It looks to me like the IBIS might be fighting with the lens IS, which we have seen happen in other systems.
For some of them, yes.
For me, the ibis can't even be used on the sigma 24-70 EF, only digital IS. And I'm sure that's a problem with some other EF lenses, so that's something to consider
@@MossCoveredBonez Thanks for sharing. Which brand adapter are you using?
@@MichaelWTurner viltrox
I have been testing the R7 IBIS on fully manual lenses, taking the lens IS out of the equation. Turns out the IBIS is just terrible, the worst IBIS I have ever tested.
That's bad news. Thanks for sharing that.
Oh no. That is disappointing. I follow your channel (I.e. Mr Wiemels) and know that your views are based on thorough testing/analysis.
I'm hopeful these issues can be fixed by Canon via Firmware, but don't really know for sure.
Hmm, why did you not try the original Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R? The Meike adapter may be cheaper, but not water or dust resistant to protect the camera. Also read reviews that the Meike is not exactly light-proof either, and sometimes not a tight fit on the EF lens. One more important thing to mention, Canon mirrorless cameras can tell if a third party Canon lens is attached, even with IS, which means AF or IS may not work or work effectively, though the image or video can still be captured. I use the Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R adapter and works well with all Canon EF and Sigma EF lenses. Best to use quality components on a quality camera. Saving the dollar on third party stuff can mean frustrations in the end.
The answer is that I am a cheap. It's one of the reasons I don't shoot shoot full frame. Also size and weight of cameras and lenses to be fair to myself. You do have a point though. I'll give it a try and head back to the bridge and do it again. However the ef and ef-s fit very securely on my meike and I haven't had any issues with light leaks. It is possible that the stabilization data isn't being passed properly though, so we'll see.
@@MichaelWTurnersame..
Great video. What about Canon ef zoom Lenes. 24-70mm f2.8 L ii usm for photos, which doesn't have IS?
Does the image stabilisation affect when using for stills photography as well or only video?
Using the Tamron which performed the worse for video, I had no issues with stills
Hey can you tell me with the 18-150mm lens kit, what are the best settings for stabilization? I find my footage isnt all that stable, just when standing still - nevermind walking. I have the stabilization on, do I have to turn on the digital stabilization as well? I shoot in Auto+ mode.
I don't own it anymore, but if I remember correctly, turning on the digital stabilization works well for that lens.
I've been using the R7 with the stock 18-150 lens for a several months now and it's ruined a lot of shots. The IBIS warps the crap out of the footage. Slow, side-to-side movements while shooting interiors, building exteriors, and the background when shooting vlogs.
Are you using the standard ibis and level 1 or 2 stabilization or standard alone? Honestly with the stock lens my results have been pretty good.
Between 5d iv and R7 wich better for wedding photo sessions and short clips ??
If I was primarily a photo shooter, I would probably look at the R6. But strictly between the 2 you asked about - R7
The conclusion is pretty clear: customers should wait until Canon actually releases the native lens(es) that they need for the way they shoot. They pulled the same shenanigans with EF-S and then EF-M: years and years of rumours upon rumours of upcoming lenses... only to be disappointed and see both systems killed now.
Ignore these camera bodies until the right lenses actually come out. There are market leading / professional / affordable options with the competition; or I would say sticking with the older EF-S / EF-M systems for now, would also be a better option at this stage.
What about with the adapter to EF lenses? Namely the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 art lens? I have that left over from my Panasonic GH line + speed booster days and I was hoping to use it with this camera as an at home/vacation setup. I need a hybrid camera with quality photo and video which the FX30 doesn't do. My priorities for video are 4K, good IBIS and good autofocus - hopefully as good as the FX3 which I use full time at work. The R7 looked like exactly the thing I was after but I'm hesitant now if the IBIS won't work with an EF lens adapter.
Not sure how well the IBIS works with the Sigma unfortunately. Try the Canon r7 Facebook group. I'm positive you will find the answer there. The AF is amazing with all the lenses I tried with it
Hi Michael, your video has made a lot of things more clear. Thanks for that! But, what I’m very disappointed in is the ibis in conjunction with the lens IS of the canon rf-s 18-150mm. According to my experience the claimed 7 stops are not real. I tested at 150mm and because it was a bright sky i shot at 1/500 of a second and still had movement unsharpness. And if I count the 7 stops I virtually took this shot at 1/64000 th of a second right? (500 x 2 x 2 x 2 etc)So there shouldn’t be any movement in the shot. Of course I made shure the IS and IBIS was on (if you switch on one of them the other one automatically swiches on)… To have an alternative I mounted the the canon Ef-Eos rf adapter and put my older Ef-s 55-250 mm and the shots where without any movement in the same conditions. Am I doing something wrong or is the lens or my body r7 broken? Thanks a lot for your advice in advance! Kind regards, herman
I doubt there is anything wrong with your camera. It's probably just the lens itself. Perhaps it is indeed 7 stops, but not 7 stops under every condition. I wonder what would happen if the focal length wasn't at the very top of the range, but instead at 100mm. These companies use the marketing hype to attract us. What they say can be true, but only in perfect situations. You know what I mean?
Thanks for your answer. @@MichaelWTurner
Have you trzeba using original Canon adapter?
Yes, I'm still testing right now. I'll have a video out in a couple of weeks.
On the old sigma 10 20 IBIS goes nuts , i have to turn it off..It's completely unusable. But on Canon 1.8 50mm and 24-70 2.8 II works well
Yes, I found this out today and subsequently came across Michael's video here. I'm using the Canon RF-EF converter and the Sigma 10-20 is unusable with IBIS video
I'd be curious to know if the performance differs if you use an Canon branded RF to EF adapter and/or focal reducer as opposed to something from viltrox or Mikei
Tested it today. Video coming soon
Why would you even consider use a 3rd party mount adapter? only use canon
@@jasonswift7098 because of the $400 difference
@@khanceptbelal Pfffffttt canon mount adapter is $160 are you saying a 3rd party one is $400 cheaper? don't be S*****
@@jasonswift7098 focal reducer is
Sup Mike?! I'm eyeing the R7 for my classroom. Is it possible to have a battery inside the camera, but power the R7 with USB-C and battery bank instead? My goal is for long recording. Like, think dance shows and plays that are hours long. Thanks!
What's up. I don't think so. When I looked in the manual it says that the camera can charge the batteries only when the camera is off using a Canon adapter sold separately. I tried a power bank and nothing happens. That's disappointing to me. Not a good option to do what you mentioned. Get a FX30. Bet you that can do it. I haven't checked yet though
@@MichaelWTurner , yeah. I’ll get a a Panasonic S5 instead. 😂😂😂
@@mrheng562 Yeah but right now the FX30 is only $100 more.
@@MichaelWTurner , for another $100, I can the 20-60mm and 50mm f1.5
Maybe try the official Canon adapter? Canon is cracking down on third party lenses and adapters, I wonder if that impacts performance?
Could be. I heard about the crack down. If they want to crack down then they should develop more rf-s glass. Hopefully they announce some better options this year.
@@MichaelWTurner yeah, I agree. I get why they're doing it, given their lenses are where they make their biggest profits, but it still feels like it hurts the consumer.
@@MichaelWTurner Definitely! I've seen only two RF-S lenses (the kit lens and an 18-45mm IIRC).
I'm excited for the RF-S 16-55mm f/2.8 IS USM
Didn't know it was coming...they made an announcement?
thank you for this. I been holding off on the R7 because of this. Can you test with the EF 24-70 2.8 LII? it doesn't have any stab and its my main lenses
No because I don't own it.
Thank you. I needed exactly this info.
Glad it was helpful!
thanks, soo, what about i use 50mm lens , stabilisation with IBIS will be completly garbage- stabilisation OFF ? or R7 can deal with canon50mm constant focal length lens?
If it is an AF lens, it should work fine according to Mark's vid th-cam.com/video/1bwjmR2H2z4/w-d-xo.html. I don't own one so hard for me to say for certain
@@MichaelWTurner ok, ive tested it im behind to buy 35mm lens. IBIS working always, but lens also gives stab.
IBIS does not work with some of the lenses
Hello. Can you record 4K 60p without cropp and time limit with this camera?
Can you use the viewer finder when you are recording video, like you would do on a camcoder?
u can use viewfinder while recording on r7 - anyway - the sony rx30 made canon r7 obsolete for video...
Yes, there is no crop in 4k/60 or there is an option for a crop mode which I find helpful. Yes the viewfinder works for video.
@@MichaelWTurner Can you change the white balance during recording?
@@procamara359 No you can't. You also can't turn image stabilization on or off while you record or do a crop while you record either
@@MichaelWTurner When you use the adaptor do you loose the auto-focus function?
Nice! Learnt something on stablisation on video which i did not know! Thanks!
Has anyone tried using Canons EF - R adaptor. I use it and don't seem to have these problems, I'll shoot some video just to test.
Tested it today. Video coming soon
This is a matrix stabilizer problem.
1. Turn on the camera menu - to record video without a lens.
2. Pull the 10-18 lens out of the camera.
3. Turn on the camera without a lens and in the settings of the matrix stabilizer set the focal length parameters for manual lenses - 10m.
4. Press the 10-18 lens against the adapter, but do not snap. And you will see how your camera will stabilize well at a focal length of 10mm.
I think that the kenon simply does not want users to use old lenses. From a technical point of view, you can stabilize for all lenses from kenon. I claim it, as I'm an electronics engineer!
You're confirming that my decision to sell was a good one. I wish I still had it to test this though...fascinating. 👍
RF lenses with IS and Canon bodies with IBIS work together using coordinated IS to give the best stab possible. So, EF-s (with IS) lenses are going to be a little worse than RF (With IS) lenses. Did you try the RF 16 or 24 mm on there? They are both small and light so no issues there (and no adapter). And you still get the same crop factor you get with EF-s and RF-s lenses.
No. Believe it or not, I don't use primes much for my work. I love zoom lenses. I own quite a few for my a6600 but rarely use any of them
Plus Canon conversion adapter is about $500 bucks I believe. So that’s an added cost to be considered if people are not prepared to buy RF lenses.
This may have sealed it. I’ve been on the fence for a while now but if the stab is junk, to me, the camera is junk.
I missed the part where you tried another RF lens That someone might want to try. I realize there are few choices wide enough for bloggers but it might answer the question on what works. It also might be interesting to try the Laowa 10mm 'cookie' with IBIS manually set for 10mm since the lens has no contacts.
Check out Mark's video for manual lens testing th-cam.com/video/1bwjmR2H2z4/w-d-xo.html
@@MichaelWTurner He referred me to you. Did you consider that some lenses with internal focus might not be 18mm focal length when you are set to 18mm. What is the result if you lie to a manual setting and say that 85mm manual is some other number (more or less)? Is the bad performance worse when you input incorrectly. I don't shoot video but note that the still manual setting defaults back to 50mm every time you turn off the camera. I wonder if testers have ensured that it was set at what they thought it was. Your video asks some good questions but I can't help thinking that those twelve pins on RF lenses might be involved here.
@@dougsmit1 I can't answer any manual lens questions because I don't own any that will work with RF. I own some Nikon AIS manual lenes, but I don't have a Nikon to RF adapter if it exists. Honestly I prefer AF lenses anyway. I buy Sony and Canon cameras for their excellent AF performance. For the type of shooting I do, I feel it is a necessity.
You would think with the tiny sensor and big mount that IBIS would be Panasonic level. It’s a shame.
I have the opposite - a lot of Sony glass. I actually have a lot of efs lenses but most are not high quality. The best one I own is the 17-55 mm f2.8. I don't want to buy the more expensive RF zooms
@@MichaelWTurner I’ve been looking at getting a 24 70 2.8 sigma but I’ve been really looking at the 17 55 2.8 to save some money. I have a canon C200 and BM cams. All super 35. I’ve been nervous about the quality of that 17 55.
Forest scenery Looks like Raleigh
Sometimes the service or politics of companies put profit over products and support. That’s when you break that relationship and move on. Same reason I will never buy Sony or Canon
Use tamrom 15 30 f2.8 G2
Sigma 14 24 f2.8
They work best ever. No wobble no shaky
Tamron sp 45 works well too..
I do not own any camera at the moment, currently researching. I get people been mad for canon not letting third party companies build lenses for them. However, closed ecosystem also has its benefits, Apple has been doing it since the start and look at their success. If you are not happy with Canon's decition, move on to another brand.
Canon is notorious for not supporting their aps-c lines with their own lenses. They didn't make many for EF-S or the M mount, so if they do the same thing with the RF-S mount and also won't let other manufacturers make lenses, where does that leave the customer?
@@MichaelWTurner I totally agree with you, when I said "you" I meant general public. If people are not happy with Canon's decision, there are many other great choices out there. What most people miss here is that Canon leads the digital camera market 48% followed by Sony 22%, this is why they did it, they know people will continue buying their cameras because are number 1 based on market share. Going back to Apple, remember when they took the headphone jack out? everyone was upset, Apple this and that, still, every other manufacturer followed them and people continued to buy the iPhone. I would not be surprised if Sony and others follow Canon on this one
sony fx30 destroyed this camera already. r7 now useless...^^
Tell me about it. I was already practicing for my next video where I discuss this exact topic. I've used the r7 for a few weddings at this point and I'm not impressed for numerous reasons. Sony FX30 here I come!
@@MichaelWTurner really? i thought its great - so much fanboys outside were telling me this
I think for still photography it is very good, but for live event video it is just good. I think it is my own fault for expecting too much
It’s a crop sensor camera of course the image stabilization is poo poo
Naw, it's pretty good actually...
The smaller the sensor the easier it is to stabilise. GoPros and iPhones demonstrate that. Of the ‘real cameraS’ the micro four thirds cameras from Olympus and Panasonic are the best. The MFT sensors are smaller than APSC.
It's actually the opposite. The smaller the censor the better the stabilization.